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Norm Chortleton
08-03-2020, 10:05 PM
I am increasingly finding the grounds crew far more annoying than wooers

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Falls City Beer
08-03-2020, 10:06 PM
Yes. Not signing free agents was working out so well for us before.

Signing them to real contracts would work even better.

podgejeff_
08-03-2020, 10:06 PM
keep on ignoring what you saw y with your own eyes 16 home runs in one month that will be more than winkers hits in his life

Jesse Winker has hit 30 major league home runs.

Including 16 in one season.

Coopdaddy67
08-03-2020, 10:06 PM
Really really dumb deal for the Reds. But unsurprising. They really should never enter the FA market.

How's it a dumb deal if he goes out and performs like an MVP candidate for a year?

He clearly wanted contract flexibility and the Reds were willing to give it to him. If he's considering opting out, the Reds have the first crack at getting him under contract.

The only way the deal would have been bad for the Reds is if he got immediately hurt and never performed well during the life of his contract.

mhs95_06
08-03-2020, 10:06 PM
hegets way more chances that aquino, why?????? there is no rational answer, aquino has more rbis in 4 at bats than winker,, this is another schebler redux

There is more of a logjam on the roster with RH hitters!

GADawg
08-03-2020, 10:06 PM
I've never been a fan of the constant Thom beat downs around here and I definitely don't wanna start another one but i'll admit that he's on my last nerve and we're only 9 games in.

Also my observation for the evening.....Senzel may never break Ripken's consecutive game streak

NC-Red
08-03-2020, 10:07 PM
offense is offensive. Outside of Castellanos this offense has nobody, even Moustakas doesn't seem everyday dependable

RedTeamGo!
08-03-2020, 10:08 PM
With an opt out clause this offseason and next. Which heíll absolutely use. But hey the Reds will save money if he leaves, the most important thing.

The most important thing was signing him for this year, which is when they thought there was going to be a full season and were trying to win now. If they didnít agree to that really really dumb deal Cast is probably on the Cubs or something. Just a silly take.

Phoenix2
08-03-2020, 10:08 PM
Reds going for it this season, with Bauer and Cast doubtful after that.

That's it...and Bauer and Cast have been absolutely sensational. And yet as of now Reds still have a losing record. And have played the Tigers six times.

Falls City Beer
08-03-2020, 10:08 PM
How's it a dumb deal if he goes out and performs like an MVP candidate for a year?

He clearly wanted contract flexibility and the Reds were willing to give it to him. If he's considering opting out, the Reds have the first crack at getting him under contract.

The only way the deal would have been bad for the Reds is if he got immediately hurt and never performed well during the life of his contract.

One year deals when you want to lock in performance to cost are stupid gimmicks. Just sign him. Create some stability. Reds are back to square one this offseason.

Cursh14
08-03-2020, 10:08 PM
offense is offensive. Outside of Castellanos this offense has nobody, even Moustakas doesn't seem everyday dependable

Congrats. You have inspired me to learn how to ignore people again. Haven't done that since about 2012 to FCB.

mhs95_06
08-03-2020, 10:08 PM
How's it a dumb deal if he goes out and performs like an MVP candidate for a year?

He clearly wanted contract flexibility and the Reds were willing to give it to him. If he's considering opting out, the Reds have the first crack at getting him under contract.

The only way the deal would have been bad for the Reds is if he got immediately hurt and never performed well during the life of his contract.

And they are still getting a chance for a WS title on a short salary season.

JFLegal
08-03-2020, 10:09 PM
already to the 6th inning. this is why you can't fall behind by 2 when you have a clear starting pitching advantage. especially against a bad offensive team like the native americans.

RedsBrick
08-03-2020, 10:09 PM
I've never been a fan of the constant Thom beat downs around here and I definitely don't wanna start another one but i'll admit that he's on my last nerve and we're only 9 games in.

Also my observation for the evening.....Senzel may never break Ripken's consecutive game streak

Watch the game on MLB Network and listen to Smoltz.

kaldaniels
08-03-2020, 10:09 PM
Really really dumb deal for the Reds. But unsurprising. They really should never enter the FA market.

Dumb? A bridge too far.

podgejeff_
08-03-2020, 10:10 PM
One year deals when you want to lock in performance to cost are stupid gimmicks. Just sign him. Create some stability. Reds are back to square one this offseason.

You do realize that players have a choice in where they'll sign?

Cursh14
08-03-2020, 10:10 PM
already to the 6th inning. this is why you can't fall behind by 2 when you have a clear starting pitching advantage. especially against a bad offensive team like the native americans.

I really don't understand what your point is... "Reds should score more runs than the other team or I don't think they will win".

Falls City Beer
08-03-2020, 10:10 PM
The most important thing was signing him for this year, which is when they thought there was going to be a full season and were trying to win now. If they didn’t agree to that really really dumb deal Cast is probably on the Cubs or something. Just a silly take.

No, creating cost and performance stability is the most important thing. Tearing down every offseason with a weak farm like ours is foolish.

JFLegal
08-03-2020, 10:11 PM
I really don't understand what your point is... "Reds should score more runs than the other team or I don't think they will win".

lmao! that is pretty much my point.

Ironman92
08-03-2020, 10:11 PM
Not giving Plesac credit is a mistake...no the Reds hitters donít look very god, some look terrible...but Plesac is legit.

Iíll predict if Votto doesnít hit into a DP next inning....Reds will score 2+ runs in the 6th

Falls City Beer
08-03-2020, 10:11 PM
You do realize that players have a choice in where they'll sign?

Not if the Reds had simply paid him for four years. No opt out.

adkindo
08-03-2020, 10:11 PM
You do realize that players have a choice in where they'll sign?

Chinese baseball fans have it so good...

Kc61
08-03-2020, 10:12 PM
One year deals when you want to lock in performance to cost are stupid gimmicks. Just sign him. Create some stability. Reds are back to square one this offseason.

Castellanos has a playerís option. Undoubtedly he demanded it. Not the Reds. If the Reds wanted the option, it would be a team option.

Coopdaddy67
08-03-2020, 10:12 PM
One year deals when you want to lock in performance to cost are stupid gimmicks. Just sign him. Create some stability. Reds are back to square one this offseason.

It would have cost the Reds a ton more money.

He wasn't satisfied with the FA market, so he bet on himself. Seems like a good plan thus far.

The Reds can always rework his contract. If he enjoys his time in Cincinnati, they're a leg up headed into negotiations compared to other teams.

Kilgore_Trout
08-03-2020, 10:12 PM
keep on ignoring what you saw y with your own eyes 16 home runs in one month that will be more than winkers hits in his life

Wayne Krenchicki

The Operator
08-03-2020, 10:12 PM
Thom can’t believe The Cardinals aren’t playing through a 13-person covid outbreak.

JFLegal
08-03-2020, 10:12 PM
oh yeah! this isn't a 7-inning game! i forgot!

[kidding]

RedTeamGo!
08-03-2020, 10:13 PM
Not if the Reds had simply paid him for four years. No opt out.

Oh it’s that simple?

podgejeff_
08-03-2020, 10:13 PM
Not if the Reds had simply paid him for four years. No opt out.

We don't know if that was a choice.

That opt out might be the only reason he's here.

JFLegal
08-03-2020, 10:13 PM
thom pronounces "francisco lindor" different every time.

Falls City Beer
08-03-2020, 10:13 PM
It would have cost the Reds a ton more money.

He wasn't satisfied with the FA market, so he bet on himself. Seems like a good plan thus far.

The Reds can always rework his contract. If he enjoys his time in Cincinnati, they're a leg up headed into negotiations compared to other teams.

That’s an utter myth that the signing team has a leg up. He’ll go elsewhere.

GADawg
08-03-2020, 10:14 PM
Thom can’t believe The Cardinals aren’t playing through a 13-person covid outbreak.

how does Chris Carpenter explain a 13 person covid outbreak to his son?

Patrick Bateman
08-03-2020, 10:14 PM
Really really dumb deal for the Reds. But unsurprising. They really should never enter the FA market.

If they get a massive year out of him and he walks, it was a tremendous contract. More dollars would have secured no opt out. Heís not likely to age super well, so no qualms if itís a short lived, ultra valuable deal.

Very dumb analysis, and not particularly surprising on your end. It seems par for the course after the ďnon tender BauerĒ drum you beat us over the head with in the offseason.


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Griffey012
08-03-2020, 10:14 PM
Thom canít believe The Cardinals arenít playing through a 13-person covid outbreak.

What a comical rant.

I could swear last night someone told him to stop during his Covid rant. Guess it didnít happen tonight.

JFLegal
08-03-2020, 10:14 PM
when thom is really feeling frisky, he goes with Fran-CEEE-co LEEEEN-dor.

Falls City Beer
08-03-2020, 10:15 PM
Oh it’s that simple?

Why not? Teams do it all the time. Just pay him what he wants for four years.

Ironman92
08-03-2020, 10:15 PM
We may not like the outcome but Gray vs Lindor is good baseball

GADawg
08-03-2020, 10:16 PM
if you were choosing teams on a playground would Jose Ramirez be your last pick? maybe it's the chubby cheeks

JFLegal
08-03-2020, 10:16 PM
We may not like the outcome but Gray vs Lindor is good baseball

there you go. about time you made some sense. ;)

mhs95_06
08-03-2020, 10:16 PM
It would have cost the Reds a ton more money.

He wasn't satisfied with the FA market, so he bet on himself. Seems like a good plan thus far.

The Reds can always rework his contract. If he enjoys his time in Cincinnati, they're a leg up headed into negotiations compared to other teams.

And the unknown, at the time, bonus for Cast is he's protected from a Covid precipitated new contract depression.

JFLegal
08-03-2020, 10:16 PM
if you were choosing teams on a playground would Jose Ramirez be your last pick? maybe it's the chubby cheeks

the indians have many a fat dude on their team.

Falls City Beer
08-03-2020, 10:16 PM
If they get a massive year out of him and he walks, it was a tremendous contract. More dollars would have secured no opt out. He’s not likely to age super well, so no qualms if it’s a short lived, ultra valuable deal.

Very dumb analysis, and not particularly surprising on your end. It seems par for the course after the “non tender Bauer” drum you beat us over the head with in the offseason.


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Do you think year to year teardowns are the wave? I could be wrong. Maybe they are. But given the weakness of the farm, it seems like a questionable move.

I would think some cost certainty would be wise. And why do you think Castellano’s will be poor in a year or two?

RedsBrick
08-03-2020, 10:16 PM
Tuck!

JFLegal
08-03-2020, 10:16 PM
barnhart guns down LEEEEEENdor.

podgejeff_
08-03-2020, 10:16 PM
Tucker with the cannon arm guns down one of the greatest players in the game.

As I said, Lindor can go be awesome at baseball somewhere else.

BluegrassRedleg
08-03-2020, 10:16 PM
Barnhart hosed Lindor. What a cannon.

Ron Madden
08-03-2020, 10:17 PM
Tuck nails Lindor

malcontent
08-03-2020, 10:17 PM
I wonder how many managers in the history of the DH ever chose a guy they batted 8th.

That's gotta be some kind of record.

Ironman92
08-03-2020, 10:17 PM
Watch the game on MLB Network and listen to Smoltz.

Smoltz is tremendous but itís blacked out in my area [emoji35]

Phoenix2
08-03-2020, 10:17 PM
Wow! Tucker! Picks it out of the dirt and throws a laser to cut down Lindor...hang a star on that one!

RedTeamGo!
08-03-2020, 10:17 PM
Wow, incredible play by Tucker

Roy Tucker
08-03-2020, 10:17 PM
Nice peg by Barnhart to get Lindor.

JFLegal
08-03-2020, 10:18 PM
carlos santana personally made sure buffets were not closed during the pandemic.

Coopdaddy67
08-03-2020, 10:18 PM
That’s an utter myth that the signing team has a leg up. He’ll go elsewhere.

Okay, so what? If he opts out, that means he had a hell of a season. Hopefully, that means good things for the Reds.

He was never going to sign a long-term deal that locked him into an organization unless he got a lot more money than he did. He was initially wanting north of $100 million.

The Reds got creative and secured a bat they desperately needed.

podgejeff_
08-03-2020, 10:19 PM
I'm no expert, but I believe Tucker doesn't have to worry about throwing to second with Santana on.

RedTeamGo!
08-03-2020, 10:19 PM
I wonder how many managers in the history of the DH ever chose a guy they batted 8th.

Senzel was late scratch, kinda screwed the lineup up.

BluegrassRedleg
08-03-2020, 10:19 PM
I am increasingly finding the grounds crew far more annoying than wooers

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:laugh:

Ironman92
08-03-2020, 10:19 PM
there you go. about time you made some sense. ;)

Thanks...now itís your turn

JFLegal
08-03-2020, 10:19 PM
HI THOM!

RedsBrick
08-03-2020, 10:20 PM
Smoltz is tremendous but itís blacked out in my area [emoji35]

...which should be lifted this year because fans are literally forbidden to attend games.

JFLegal
08-03-2020, 10:20 PM
Thanks...now it’s your turn

bacon tastes good.

The Operator
08-03-2020, 10:21 PM
What a comical rant.

I could swear last night someone told him to stop during his Covid rant. Guess it didnít happen tonight.

I almost hit rewind to make sure I heard him right but then he doubled down it.

Couldnít believe what I was hearing.

Falls City Beer
08-03-2020, 10:21 PM
Okay, so what? If he opts out, that means he had a hell of a season. Hopefully, that means good things for the Reds.

He was never going to sign a long-term deal that locked him into an organization unless he got a lot more money than he did. He was initially wanting north of $100 million.

The Reds got creative and secured a bat they desperately needed.

And sixty games later looking for another. Or several. When you consider Votto’s decline and Moustakas’s potential departure.

podgejeff_
08-03-2020, 10:22 PM
And sixty games later looking for another. Or several. When you consider Votto’s decline and Moustakas’s potential departure.

There's always more free agents.

Like Francisco Lindor, for example.

adkindo
08-03-2020, 10:22 PM
need some runs to try to get Sonny this win because I assume he is finished for the night

Falls City Beer
08-03-2020, 10:22 PM
There's always more free agents.

Like Francisco Lindor, for example.

Lmao ok

Ironman92
08-03-2020, 10:22 PM
Crap the error went to Gray. Ball was shoe high but Votto with his poor footwork canít catch it.

RedTeamGo!
08-03-2020, 10:22 PM
And sixty games later looking for another. Or several. When you consider Votto’s decline and Moustakas’s potential departure.

Yeah, they should have definitely taken into account the global pandemic that didn’t exist yet when they signed Cast. Idiots.

GADawg
08-03-2020, 10:23 PM
glad Moose dressed up for that Jake Sweeney commercial.....no lint rollers in Ohio?

Ironman92
08-03-2020, 10:23 PM
bacon tastes good.

The second I read this the Wendyís commercial showed a grill full of bacon lol

The Operator
08-03-2020, 10:24 PM
And sixty games later looking for another. Or several. When you consider Vottoís decline and Moustakasís potential departure.

I could be wrong but Moose is locked in for all four years with no opt out I think.

Patrick Bateman
08-03-2020, 10:24 PM
Do you think year to year teardowns are the wave? I could be wrong. Maybe they are. But given the weakness of the farm, it seems like a questionable move.

I would think some cost certainty would be wise. And why do you think Castellanoís will be poor in a year or two?

Well if he simply performed like a 850 bat he probably sticks. He wanted to bet on himself because nobody would pay him like a legit star for 4 years.

I liked the contract and the Reds outbid the field. Letís not act like the whole team is signed to these deals. This was a unique contract for a player at a unique point in his career... trending towards after a so-so 6 years.

I get why they didnít want to pay him
star player money for 4-5 years.


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JFLegal
08-03-2020, 10:24 PM
shogo shoots one to left for a single.

mhs95_06
08-03-2020, 10:24 PM
Senzel was late scratch, kinda screwed the lineup up.

Late scratch does not mandate you plug the substitute into the same spot in the order! I would think that with Bell's enjoyment with constructing line-ups that be most likely to change up the order with the substitution. Maybe Bell is losing some interest?

Falls City Beer
08-03-2020, 10:24 PM
Yeah, they should have definitely taken into account the global pandemic that didn’t exist yet when they signed Cast. Idiots.

Regardless. The point stands if it’s 60 or 162. The likelihood of making the postseason was even worse in a 162 season. The pandemic actually gives the Reds a shot at a flukey postseason run.

Roy Tucker
08-03-2020, 10:25 PM
Akiyama goes the other way nicely. Kind of like Ichiro.

Ironman92
08-03-2020, 10:25 PM
Donít pull it Into a DP Joseph

Coopdaddy67
08-03-2020, 10:26 PM
And sixty games later looking for another. Or several. When you consider Votto’s decline and Moustakas’s potential departure.

They couldn't force him to sign a deal he didn't want to sign. They talked about how they tried to sign him to a standard deal first, but it went nowhere.

How about the Reds worry about 2020 now and worry about the future after the season is over?

RedTeamGo!
08-03-2020, 10:26 PM
Regardless. The point stands if it’s 60 or 162. The likelihood of making the postseason was even worse in a 162 season. The pandemic actually gives the Reds a shot at a flukey postseason run.

What potential Moustakas signing are you talking about? He is signed for 4 years.

Falls City Beer
08-03-2020, 10:26 PM
I could be wrong but Moose is locked in for all four years with no opt out I think.

You’re right. My bad.

JFLegal
08-03-2020, 10:28 PM
plesac of the chronic

Ironman92
08-03-2020, 10:28 PM
Lol he is quick to first

podgejeff_
08-03-2020, 10:28 PM
Lmao ok

Fine.

George Springer then.

Coopdaddy67
08-03-2020, 10:29 PM
Nasty changeup.

Ron Madden
08-03-2020, 10:29 PM
Joey!!!!

Coopdaddy67
08-03-2020, 10:29 PM
VOTTO!!!

JFLegal
08-03-2020, 10:30 PM
told you guys there was nothing to worry about. votto 2-run jack!

Stray
08-03-2020, 10:30 PM
VOTTO

adkindo
08-03-2020, 10:30 PM
Big Fly Joey!

Phoenix2
08-03-2020, 10:30 PM
JOEY!!!!!

Reds Fanatic
08-03-2020, 10:30 PM
Votto!!!!

BluegrassRedleg
08-03-2020, 10:30 PM
Votto 2-run HR.... 3-2 Redlegs

podgejeff_
08-03-2020, 10:30 PM
I was under the impression that we were done after those first two runs...

Roy Tucker
08-03-2020, 10:31 PM
Joseph Daniel.

The Operator
08-03-2020, 10:31 PM
Votto!


3-2 good guys!

WVRedsFan
08-03-2020, 10:31 PM
"No clutch Votto" becomes clutch What a blast!

Phoenix2
08-03-2020, 10:31 PM
Little bit of credit for Shogo for the pickoff battle at first and distraction for Plesac

Ironman92
08-03-2020, 10:31 PM
Haha....poor scouting. Joey killing inside fastballs this year.

Nice job Joseph....and that was a good pitch.

3-1 change was nasty

Plesac vs Shogo was fun

RedTeamGo!
08-03-2020, 10:31 PM
What an incredible swing by Votto. So compact. Awesome.

mhs95_06
08-03-2020, 10:32 PM
P thought the 3-1 change-up would set Votto up for a middle-middle fastball!

PuffyPig
08-03-2020, 10:32 PM
I believe Joey now has as many HR to RF this year as last year.


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NachoMan
08-03-2020, 10:32 PM
great AB

Ron Madden
08-03-2020, 10:32 PM
Joey tied with Tony Perez on Reds all time HR list!

Stray
08-03-2020, 10:32 PM
Moose hasn't looked comfortable against this guy

Ironman92
08-03-2020, 10:33 PM
Not giving Plesac credit is a mistake...no the Reds hitters donít look very god, some look terrible...but Plesac is legit.

Iíll predict if Votto doesnít hit into a DP next inning....Reds will score 2+ runs in the 6th

Quoted for accuracy

Mitri
08-03-2020, 10:33 PM
Can't believe Votto can still hit 'em with all that gravel in his knee.

Phoenix2
08-03-2020, 10:33 PM
Please please keep in Sonny.

BluegrassRedleg
08-03-2020, 10:33 PM
Anyone seen my guy who used to post the updated career Reds HR leaders?

RedTeamGo!
08-03-2020, 10:34 PM
Time for Lorenzen to give up 3 runs.



I’m sorry.

ScotlandRed
08-03-2020, 10:35 PM
Anyone seen my guy who used to post the updated career Reds HR leaders?

Think it was BigKlu. Not sure if he’s been around too much this season because I haven’t been either.

WVRedsFan
08-03-2020, 10:35 PM
Anyone seen my guy who used to post the updated career Reds HR leaders?

Big Klu. He has disappeared

adkindo
08-03-2020, 10:35 PM
Joey might try to get more HR's this short season than he had last season (15)...

Ron Madden
08-03-2020, 10:35 PM
Reds 3
Indians 2
after 6 innings

podgejeff_
08-03-2020, 10:35 PM
Time for Lorenzen to give up 3 runs.



I’m sorry.

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/jDM-09bHyzk/hqdefault.jpg

RedsBrick
08-03-2020, 10:35 PM
Little bit of credit for Shogo for the pickoff battle at first and distraction for Plesac

Absolutely!

...and not to mention, he got on base.

Falls City Beer
08-03-2020, 10:35 PM
Big Klu. He has disappeared

Yeah. Great guy. Reds finally bored him to non-fandom. Don’t think he follows anymore.

WVRedsFan
08-03-2020, 10:36 PM
Time for Lorenzen to give up 3 runs.



I’m sorry.

it's probably the truth. I have no faith in Michael this year

RedsBrick
08-03-2020, 10:36 PM
Little bit of credit for Shogo for the pickoff battle at first and distraction for Plesac

Absolutely!

...and not to mention, he got on base.

Reds Freak
08-03-2020, 10:36 PM
The problem with having a lead when you have a bullpen disadvantage is the disappointment when they cough it up. This stinks.

Good call to the poster who commented on the great leads by Shogo in that at bat.

HammerTime
08-03-2020, 10:36 PM
Anyone seen my guy who used to post the updated career Reds HR leaders?

1. Johnny Bench 389
2. Frank Robinson 324
3T. Tony Perez 287
3T, Joey Votto 287
5. Adam Dunn 270
6. Ted Kluszewski 251
7. George Foster 244
8. Jay Bruce 233
9. Ken Griffey Jr 210
10. Eric Davis 203

Phoenix2
08-03-2020, 10:37 PM
Oh no. Lorenzen.

GADawg
08-03-2020, 10:37 PM
Castellanos fouls out.....i hope he opts out

mhs95_06
08-03-2020, 10:37 PM
Rested Reds pen needs 9 outs.

Patrick Bateman
08-03-2020, 10:37 PM
Yeah. Great guy. Reds finally bored him to non-fandom. Donít think he follows anymore.

Guys like him donít turn in the keys. Has anyone checked in on him?


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Kc61
08-03-2020, 10:38 PM
C’mon bullpen. Time for a good night.

adkindo
08-03-2020, 10:38 PM
Lorenzen throwing straight gas!

Falls City Beer
08-03-2020, 10:38 PM
Dumpster water pen

Wonderful Monds
08-03-2020, 10:38 PM
Big Klu. He has disappeared

I saw him active in a game thread the other day at least so he’s around somewhere

Stray
08-03-2020, 10:38 PM
I like that Lorenzen gets to face the bottom of the order. Nice chance to build a little confidence.

Roy Tucker
08-03-2020, 10:38 PM
High cheese by Lorenzen.

Falls City Beer
08-03-2020, 10:38 PM
Guys like him don’t turn in the keys. Has anyone checked in on him?


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He said they were driving him off. Said it several times.

Wonderful Monds
08-03-2020, 10:38 PM
I’m late on the Castellanos discussion also, but I would be shocked if he opts out this offseason

PuffyPig
08-03-2020, 10:41 PM
At least the Votto HR will drive some guys like FCB away for awhile.


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Ron Madden
08-03-2020, 10:41 PM
Good Job Mike!!!

Roy Tucker
08-03-2020, 10:42 PM
Lorenzen pitches better when heís a little less amped up.

Tom Servo
08-03-2020, 10:42 PM
Alright Lorenzen!

podgejeff_
08-03-2020, 10:42 PM
Michael Lorenzen channels the power of the biceps and pitches a flawless inning.

mhs95_06
08-03-2020, 10:42 PM
Lorenzen throwing straight gas!

That's a recipe for a HR!

Mitri
08-03-2020, 10:42 PM
Lorenzen's new approach - be wild as hell.

HammerTime
08-03-2020, 10:42 PM
I know itís the bottom of the order but this is the Lorenzen we expected to see. Letís hope this gets him on track.

Ironman92
08-03-2020, 10:42 PM
Who was that guy?

Wish Sonny in the 7th and Lorenzen doing that in the 8th but we have a lead after 7....add on

podgejeff_
08-03-2020, 10:43 PM
Lorenzen's new approach - be wild as hell.

https://www.reviewjournal.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/10/web1_web_vaughan_1021_7252333.jpg

Wonderful Monds
08-03-2020, 10:44 PM
I do agree with FCB though if Cast does go elsewhere this offseason it’ll be a real kick in the nads and a major negative to this FO’s ongoing grade, given that the only real successful moves they’ve made in fielding a major league team since Williams has taken over has been signing Moustakas and Castellanos (and the flukey poaching of Castillo from Miami) - and Sonny too, my genius brain somehow neglected that one

If the only trick they have up their sleeve is signing free agents and they can’t even get them to stay for more than a year, then we’re kinda boned

RedTeamGo!
08-03-2020, 10:44 PM
Am I crazy or has Winker’s hair gotten darker every year since he first got called up?

Falls City Beer
08-03-2020, 10:45 PM
Bell put Lorenzen in a spot where could be successful. Give Bell that much credit. The bottom of the Indians lineup is possibly worse than ours.

Tom Servo
08-03-2020, 10:45 PM
I do agree with FCB though if Cast does go elsewhere this offseason it’ll be a real kick in the nads and a major negative to this FO’s ongoing grade, given that the only real successful moves they’ve made in fielding a major league team since Williams has taken over has been signing Moustakas and Castellanos (and the flukey poaching of Castillo from Miami)
Can’t forget trading for Sonny tho

Kc61
08-03-2020, 10:45 PM
I’m late on the Castellanos discussion also, but I would be shocked if he opts out this offseason

Maybe yes, maybe no.

Everyone is entitled to root as they wish. For me, I can’t sit here worrying about the length of each guy’s contract. There’s a game going on.

If they lose guys they’ll get other guys. And I thought it was a positive that Reds didn’t overcommit future guaranteed dollars.

Reds
08-03-2020, 10:45 PM
who we want to see pitch the 8th guys?

Wonderful Monds
08-03-2020, 10:46 PM
Can’t forget trading for Sonny tho

D’oh, yeah that one too most obviously

podgejeff_
08-03-2020, 10:46 PM
I do agree with FCB though if Cast does go elsewhere this offseason it’ll be a real kick in the nads and a major negative to this FO’s ongoing grade, given that the only real successful moves they’ve made in fielding a major league team since Williams has taken over has been signing Moustakas and Castellanos (and the flukey poaching of Castillo from Miami)

I would argue the Sonny Gray trade, the Trevor Bauer trade, the Freddy Galvis acquisition, and the Shogo acquisition have been positives as well.

Not to mention the revamping of farm development.

Roy Tucker
08-03-2020, 10:46 PM
Still having trouble thinking about if a pitcher is going to get pulled when his next AB rolls around. I have liked the DH though.

adkindo
08-03-2020, 10:46 PM
pretty pitch to get Galvis

Patrick Bateman
08-03-2020, 10:47 PM
I do agree with FCB though if Cast does go elsewhere this offseason itíll be a real kick in the nads and a major negative to this FOís ongoing grade, given that the only real successful moves theyíve made in fielding a major league team since Williams has taken over has been signing Moustakas and Castellanos (and the flukey poaching of Castillo from Miami) - and Sonny too, my genius brain somehow neglected that one

If the only trick they have up their sleeve is signing free agents and they canít even get them to stay for more than a year, then weíre kinda boned

Signing players 1 year 13m and getting mvp production is absolutely not a black mark on anyone.


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Ironman92
08-03-2020, 10:47 PM
Not that I trust Lorenzen not to give up a gopher ball....but he did look great and Iíll always say....the more pitchers you bring in, the more likely one will suck.

I leave in pitchers pitching well

Falls City Beer
08-03-2020, 10:47 PM
I would argue the Sonny Gray trade, the Trevor Bauer trade, the Freddy Galvis acquisition, and the Shogo acquisition have been positives as well.

Not to mention the revamping of farm development.

What revamping? Our farm is a joke.

Reds
08-03-2020, 10:47 PM
nate jones was warming up. if he comes into pitch I would be surprised I didn't think he would pitch when we had the lead in the 8th

HammerTime
08-03-2020, 10:47 PM
Can’t forget trading for Sonny tho

And what is looking like one of the best contracts in baseball.

NC-Red
08-03-2020, 10:47 PM
This offense.....just not good especially the back end

RedsBrick
08-03-2020, 10:47 PM
who we want to see pitch the 8th guys?

I suspect Amir?

podgejeff_
08-03-2020, 10:47 PM
Winker and Colon both hammer the ball...right at the left fielder.

So as per usual this season.

Wonderful Monds
08-03-2020, 10:48 PM
I would argue the Sonny Gray trade, the Trevor Bauer trade, the Freddy Galvis acquisition, and the Shogo acquisition have been positives as well.

Not to mention the revamping of farm development.

The Bauer one could be a net neutral IMO if he leaves after this year too. From what I hear from Pads fans, it seems they may have fixed Trammell.

Shogo is alright but not a major difference maker

Galvis is just a stopgap

RedTeamGo!
08-03-2020, 10:48 PM
Galvis looks like he has never gotten angry. Strikes out on a nasty curve and just kinda walks away.

I dig it.

mhs95_06
08-03-2020, 10:48 PM
Lorenzen's new approach - be wild as hell.

The Ryne Duren act!

podgejeff_
08-03-2020, 10:48 PM
What revamping? Our farm is a joke.

It's been one...whole...year.

Rantly
08-03-2020, 10:48 PM
Joey tied with Tony Perez on Reds all time HR list!
Speaking of which, is Big Klu our there?

Wonderful Monds
08-03-2020, 10:48 PM
Signing players 1 year 13m and getting mvp production is absolutely not a black mark on anyone.


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I mean if that’s your long term roster construction strategy it kind of is

Reds
08-03-2020, 10:49 PM
I suspect Amir?

thats what i would have thought too

Kc61
08-03-2020, 10:49 PM
If Cast leaves the Reds will get another power hitter. They obviously have budgeted the dollars for Cast. Somebody else will take the money.

Mitri
08-03-2020, 10:49 PM
nate jones was warming up. if he comes into pitch I would be surprised I didn't think he would pitch when we had the lead in the 8th

I was thinking Bell might start giving him some setup tastes. Why not?

HammerTime
08-03-2020, 10:49 PM
The Bauer one could be a net neutral IMO if he leaves after this year too. From what I hear from Pads fans, it seems they may have fixed Trammell.


Sure they have. :laugh:

Reds
08-03-2020, 10:49 PM
using jones in this situation shows us bell is confident in his job security

PuffyPig
08-03-2020, 10:49 PM
Bell put Lorenzen in a spot where could be successful. Give Bell that much credit. The bottom of the Indians lineup is possibly worse than ours.

The SS/C bottom of the order for the Reds is likely above average.


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Falls City Beer
08-03-2020, 10:49 PM
Signing players 1 year 13m and getting mvp production is absolutely not a black mark on anyone.


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Hold on. It’s a little presumptive to say he’s gonna put up MVP numbers. After you just scolded everyone for saying 7 games was a small sample.

He’ll likely be an .850 bat with mediocre defense for $13 million in a season that will be meaningless.

RedTeamGo!
08-03-2020, 10:50 PM
Still trying to figure out how signing a player to a really cheap deal that is looking like an elite hitter in the NL is a negative on the FO.

Just a silly take.

Falls City Beer
08-03-2020, 10:50 PM
If Cast leaves the Reds will get another power hitter. They obviously have budgeted the dollars for Cast. Somebody else will take the money.

Except 2020 money is smaller than 2021 money.

Kc61
08-03-2020, 10:50 PM
Nate Jones in the eighth is an interesting selection.

Roy Tucker
08-03-2020, 10:50 PM
Nate Jones. Hmmmmm

RedTeamGo!
08-03-2020, 10:51 PM
Hold on. It’s a little presumptive to say he’s gonna put up MVP numbers. After you just scolded everyone for saying 7 games was a small sample.

He’ll likely be an .850 bat with mediocre defense for $13 million in a season that will be meaningless.

If he finishes the season at .850 OPS and mediocre defense he isn’t going to opt out.

JFLegal
08-03-2020, 10:51 PM
nice work jones. you just can't do that.

BluegrassRedleg
08-03-2020, 10:51 PM
Beautiful...

Tom Servo
08-03-2020, 10:51 PM
That’s not ideal

Reds
08-03-2020, 10:51 PM
this is really a test for nate jones very surprising decision

Coopdaddy67
08-03-2020, 10:51 PM
I’m late on the Castellanos discussion also, but I would be shocked if he opts out this offseason

If he has an MVP-like year, I think he would. The FA market is going to be really weird though, which may play into the Reds' favor.

At the end of the day, he's still a power bat that struggles in the field. Most teams can't and won't pay a premium for that, especially if he's strongly against the idea of DHing.

With that said, I don't see why he and the Reds couldn't restructure the deal in the offseason to give him more money and buy out his remaining opt outs.

JaxRed
08-03-2020, 10:51 PM
Not that I trust Lorenzen not to give up a gopher ball....but he did look great and Iíll always say....the more pitchers you bring in, the more likely one will suck.

I leave in pitchers pitching well

I'm with you.

Falls City Beer
08-03-2020, 10:52 PM
It's been one...whole...year.

Um, heís had five years to move on it lol

Mitri
08-03-2020, 10:52 PM
Hold on. It’s a little presumptive to say he’s gonna put up MVP numbers. After you just scolded everyone for saying 7 games was a small sample.

He’ll likely be an .850 bat with mediocre defense for $13 million in a season that will be meaningless.

I thought I convinced myself that opt-out didn't matter but you're not helping.

NC-Red
08-03-2020, 10:52 PM
Beginning of the end. Good god this could get FUGLY and fast.

Stray
08-03-2020, 10:52 PM
I don't know why you wouldn't have someone warming just in case.

Cursh14
08-03-2020, 10:52 PM
Hold on. Itís a little presumptive to say heís gonna put up MVP numbers. After you just scolded everyone for saying 7 games was a small sample.

Heíll likely be an .850 bat with mediocre defense for $13 million in a season that will be meaningless.

Dude. Seriously. Why do you even come here? Have you ever been happy watching the reds? You are mad about having a player on the team that is literally playing as good as anyone right now. Its not your money. Stop playing junior GM. Just enjoy a close game with the Reds leading. Wow.

Edit: This is my fault. I clicked "view post" when it was auto-hidden. Sorry for snapping!

PuffyPig
08-03-2020, 10:52 PM
Hold on. Itís a little presumptive to say heís gonna put up MVP numbers. After you just scolded everyone for saying 7 games was a small sample.

Heíll likely be an .850 bat with mediocre defense for $13 million in a season that will be meaningless.

Then why would he opt out?

You need to stick to your story.


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BluegrassRedleg
08-03-2020, 10:52 PM
Big Klu. He has disappeared

Yeah. That's him. I hope he's OK.

Kc61
08-03-2020, 10:52 PM
Except 2020 money is smaller than 2021 money.

They signed Castellanos for four years. They must be prepared to spend the money allotted for 2021-23.

If it turns out they have to spend it on a different power hitter, so be it.

mhs95_06
08-03-2020, 10:53 PM
Nate Jones. Hmmmmm

Stuck with him for 3 batters!

Tom Servo
08-03-2020, 10:53 PM
It begins...

Ironman92
08-03-2020, 10:53 PM
Unlucky hop

Red Raindog
08-03-2020, 10:53 PM
Wth?


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Patrick Bateman
08-03-2020, 10:53 PM
Hold on. Itís a little presumptive to say heís gonna put up MVP numbers. After you just scolded everyone for saying 7 games was a small sample.

Heíll likely be an .850 bat with mediocre defense for $13 million in a season that will be meaningless.

The point being, in a scenario where he chooses to opt out, heís putting up huge production in that scenario.

If heís 850 with middling defense, good chance he stays.

Iím simply responding to the scenario that requires him to opt out for a more lucrative contract. That scenario entails a great result in 1 season for the reds.


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JFLegal
08-03-2020, 10:53 PM
terrible

LeDoux
08-03-2020, 10:53 PM
Two bad omens.

Stray
08-03-2020, 10:53 PM
What an unlucky bounce. Ugh

Reds
08-03-2020, 10:53 PM
not warming someone up is crazy tho

Falls City Beer
08-03-2020, 10:53 PM
“Bullpens are volatile. There’s no point in addressing them”

Wonderful Monds
08-03-2020, 10:53 PM
Still trying to figure out how signing a player to a really cheap deal that is looking like an elite hitter in the NL is a negative on the FO.

Just a silly take.

Front office or ownership or whoever, I can’t imagine there was a massive dealbreaker amount of money for what Cast got and what it would’ve taken to just straight up sign him for 4 years without the opt out. A team committed to winning consistently ponies that up, IMO.

If he performs really well and leaves after this season, that reflects poorly on one of our decision maker’s ability to put together a long term foundation for this team.

mhs95_06
08-03-2020, 10:54 PM
Bad luck hitting the edge of the grass!

Roy Tucker
08-03-2020, 10:54 PM
Let’s turn two here.

adkindo
08-03-2020, 10:54 PM
we need an out!

Stray
08-03-2020, 10:54 PM
Galvis did good to keep that in the infield. That was a wicked bounce.

WVRedsFan
08-03-2020, 10:54 PM
One-run leads are lethal to the Reds as well as managerial quirks

Reds Fanatic
08-03-2020, 10:55 PM
Big K

adkindo
08-03-2020, 10:55 PM
needed that

JFLegal
08-03-2020, 10:55 PM
strikeout. let's go.

LeDoux
08-03-2020, 10:55 PM
Eye of the Tiger, Mr. Jones. Channel that Eye of the Tiger!

marcshoe
08-03-2020, 10:55 PM
Did he go around on that?

Falls City Beer
08-03-2020, 10:55 PM
They signed Castellanos for four years. They must be prepared to spend the money allotted for 2021-23.

If it turns out they have to spend it on a different power hitter, so be it.

But what you pay in 20 is not what you will pay in 21. The Reds are punting on cost control. There’s a real downside risk.

podgejeff_
08-03-2020, 10:55 PM
Nate Jones strikes out Jose Ramirez so hard that his bat came to life and flew away.

BluegrassRedleg
08-03-2020, 10:56 PM
Barnhart with a huge block this time. Cannot afford that runner getting to third.

Wonderful Monds
08-03-2020, 10:56 PM
If he has an MVP-like year, I think he would. The FA market is going to be really weird though, which may play into the Reds' favor.

At the end of the day, he's still a power bat that struggles in the field. Most teams can't and won't pay a premium for that, especially if he's strongly against the idea of DHing.

With that said, I don't see why he and the Reds couldn't restructure the deal in the offseason to give him more money and buy out his remaining opt outs.

Yeah all this discussion is really hypothetical, they’re doing a fanless season when the national economy is currently face planting, I would be shocked if any major money is spent this offseason. I’m guessing the deal Castellanos has now is probably the best one he’s gonna get.

RedsBrick
08-03-2020, 10:56 PM
Please don't throw that pitch again to Lindor!

Roy Tucker
08-03-2020, 10:56 PM
Lindor. Eeks.

BluegrassRedleg
08-03-2020, 10:56 PM
Jones got away with meat there. Do it again, and it's 5-3.

Mitri
08-03-2020, 10:57 PM
“Bullpens are volatile. There’s no point in addressing them”

To be fair, 3 out of 6 guys they drafted this year were straight to bullpen types.

adkindo
08-03-2020, 10:57 PM
Tucker!

Reds Fanatic
08-03-2020, 10:57 PM
Big time throw by Barnhart

Reds
08-03-2020, 10:57 PM
barny nice play

Falls City Beer
08-03-2020, 10:57 PM
Then why would he opt out?

You need to stick to your story.


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Because people look for .850 bats.

LeDoux
08-03-2020, 10:57 PM
That's 2!

podgejeff_
08-03-2020, 10:57 PM
Tucker mcfreaking barnhart!

mhs95_06
08-03-2020, 10:57 PM
2nd great play by Barnhart!

JFLegal
08-03-2020, 10:57 PM
how does galvis not keep the tag on him? might get reversed because of that.

JaxRed
08-03-2020, 10:58 PM
I think he's safe

BluegrassRedleg
08-03-2020, 10:58 PM
Gonna get screwed on a replay here.

adkindo
08-03-2020, 10:58 PM
if they overturn that....and Galvis did not hold the tag, he needs to ride some pine

Coopdaddy67
08-03-2020, 10:58 PM
He slid over the bag, just like what happened with the Reds in Detroit.

Cursh14
08-03-2020, 10:58 PM
It's close, but I think he is safe.

RedTeamGo!
08-03-2020, 10:58 PM
Front office or ownership or whoever, I can’t imagine there was a massive dealbreaker amount of money for what Cast got and what it would’ve taken to just straight up sign him for 4 years without the opt out. A team committed to winning consistently ponies that up, IMO.

If he performs really well and leaves after this season, that reflects poorly on one of our decision maker’s ability to put together a long term foundation for this team.

Agree to disagree on this one. Would I prefer it to be a 4 year deal with no opt out? Yes. Am I glad he’s on the team? Yes. Do I think he would be on the Cubs or Rangers or someone else if the reds didn’t agree to this deal as is? Yes.

Stray
08-03-2020, 10:58 PM
He's out

JFLegal
08-03-2020, 10:58 PM
galvis is just way too lax defensively. not a fan.

Ironman92
08-03-2020, 10:58 PM
Thank you crappy streaming service for fuzzing up the screen during the Tucker play

Reds
08-03-2020, 10:59 PM
I think he's safe

very well could be

BluegrassRedleg
08-03-2020, 10:59 PM
Clearly out, so you know what is going to happen.

Ironman92
08-03-2020, 10:59 PM
Indians have had their crap run....NO MORE

JFLegal
08-03-2020, 10:59 PM
he's out. but galvis still needs to do better.

BluegrassRedleg
08-03-2020, 10:59 PM
That front leg is key. It overslid the bag. And Galvis got tag on other foot.

Cursh14
08-03-2020, 10:59 PM
That was huge!

HammerTime
08-03-2020, 10:59 PM
Terrible slide, we catch a break.

Reds
08-03-2020, 10:59 PM
man i doubted nate jones but he overcame a bad bounce and got a really really good hitter there

Mitri
08-03-2020, 11:00 PM
galvis is just way too lax defensively. not a fan.

He's pretty rock solid in my eyes.

JFLegal
08-03-2020, 11:00 PM
hell yes! nate jones!

adkindo
08-03-2020, 11:00 PM
I see you Mr. Jones...

Coopdaddy67
08-03-2020, 11:00 PM
Hell of a job by Jones!