Reds @ Brewers 8-8-20

[Ron Madden]

First Pitch 7:10 PM

Reds
SP Anthony DeSclafani (R)

1. Phillip Ervin (R) CF
2. Nick Castellanos (R) RF
3. Joey Votto (L) 1B
4. Eugenio Suarez (R) 3B
5. Matt Davidson (R) DH
6. Curt Casali (R) C
7. Jesse Winker (L) LF
8. Freddy Galvis (S) SS
9. Kyle Farmer (R) 2B

Brewers
SP Brett Anderson (L)

1. Eric Sogard (L) DH
2. Keston Hiura (R) 2B
3. Christian Yelich (L) LF
4. Logan Morrison (L) 1B
5. Avisail Garcia (R) CF
6. Ben Gamel (L) RF
7. Omar Narvaez (L) C
8. Brock Holt (L) 3B
9. Orlando Arcia (R) SS

[Kc61]

Definitely an offense-minded Reds’ OF lineup. Let’s get a win.

[NebraskaRed]

Good to see Votto here especially against Anderson.

Hoping Disco/Tony/T-Bone can keep doing what he did last time.

[mth123]

Free Aquino.

Given who is in there, i'd flip flop Farmer and Ervin in the order.

[JFLegal]

any word on moose and senzel?

[Mitri]

Free Aquino

[Mitri]

any word on moose and senzel?

Thought I read Moose could be back early next week. Not sure about Senzel.

[EnglishRed]

Thought I read Moose could be back early next week. Not sure about Senzel.

Brewers announcer said he had the weekend off last night.

[Ron Madden]

any word on moose and senzel?


Moose getting loose?
Second baseman Mike Moustakas is nearing a return to the field, manager David Bell said before the opener in Milwaukee. Moustakas, who has been sidelined with a bruised left quad, could return to the lineup by Tuesday, following the scheduled off-day on Monday.

Moustakas has played in seven games so far this season, logging five hits in 21 at-bats. He last appeared in a game on Aug. 4 at home vs. Cleveland.
https://www.mlb.com/reds/news/reds-rotation-excelling-early

[Ron Madden]

The Brewers lineup has been added to the original post.


Bobby Nightengale
@nightengalejr
David Bell says Pedro Strop may be out an extended period of time. No decision yet for the IL. Nick Senzel is day-to-day. #Reds


Bobby Nightengale
@nightengalejr
#Reds bullpen roster move: RHP Joel Kuhnel called up. Jose De Leon was optioned, but he'll remain in Milwaukee on the taxi squad.



Joel Luckhaupt
@jluckhaupt
Most recent Reds with 11+ extra-base hits in the team's first 14 games
2020 Nicholas Castellanos - 11
2006 Austin Kearns - 11
2005 Adam Dunn - 11
1990 Chris Sabo - 11
1987 Kal Daniels - 12
1978 Joe Morgan - 12
1972 Bobby Tolan - 12
1954 Jim Greengrass - 11
1939 Ival Goodman - 11

[Kc61]

As per my thread earlier today, makes no sense that Aquino can’t play tonight against the lefty. Rules are antiquated. Reds should be able to activate Aquino and de-activate Senzel just for the game or rest of this series. AA is on the forty.

Let’s hope it doesn’t matter and Reds win comfortably without his RH bat.

[NebraskaRed]

Good start!

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Very clean shaven Joey tonight.

[TheBigLebowski]

Brews doing all they can for us

[Reds Fanatic]

Votto reaches on an error. 1st and 3rd

[mhs95_06]

Brewers serving up an opportunity for an inning.

[Coopdaddy67]

Suarez is ALIVE!

[TheBigLebowski]

Yahhhhhhhhhhbb

[Reds Fanatic]

Suarez crushed that pitch!

[NebraskaRed]

Geeeennoooo

[Tom Servo]

Geno! :jump:

That’s how you make them pay

[Kilgore_Trout]

Make em pay!

[Coopdaddy67]

110 off the bat for Suarez. More of that, please.

[757690]

The Brewers seems to be struggling from that long Covid layoff. Let’s hope the Cards and Cubs struggle as well.

[TheBigLebowski]

Matt Davidson is the most perfect baseball player ever made

[Reds Fanatic]

The Brewers seems to be struggling from that long Covid layoff. Let’s hope the Cards and Cubs struggle as well.

Looks like we are going to get the Pirates next week after a layoff too as it looks like Cards Pirates series will be cancelled

[NebraskaRed]

Matt Davidson is great, just like we all agreed he was from opening day forward.

[Coopdaddy67]

Anderson isn't going to be in this game long. Everything other than Ervin's dribbler has been hit hard.

[Kc61]

Looks like we are going to get the Pirates next week after a layoff too as it looks like Cards Pirates series will be cancelled

Cards are going to need triple headers to catch up.

[Mitri]

That was the best swing I've seen from Davidson all season. He can get a little sloppy with his swing, but when he makes contact ball goes far.

[PuffyPig]

Davidson seams to be pretty good vs.LH pitching.

Perhaps he could be a platoon DH, and occasionally spell Votto at first?


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[mhs95_06]

Two Reds out of the first 6 hitters have swung at the first pitch and are the only outs of the inning so far!

[PuffyPig]

Two Reds out of the first 6 hitters have swung at the first pitch and are the only outs of the inning so far!

And both were line drives to the OF.


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[reds77]

Good to see Suarez's bat waking up.

[JFLegal]

disco, one pitch, one out.

[NebraskaRed]

Disco/T-Bone off to a good start.

[Kc61]

Davidson seams to be pretty good vs.LH pitching.

Perhaps he could be a platoon DH, and occasionally spell Votto at first?


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Davidson has a lifetime .813 OPS against lefties, good not great for a specialist. But his last full season, 2018, it was over .880 in 131 MLB PAs. And .941 against lefties in the PCL in 2019.

[mhs95_06]

And both were line drives to the OF.


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Nevertheless, they were outs and they upped the pitch count by only the minimum. If you swing at the first pitch, unless there is a special situation, like needing to get the runner in from 3rd, you need to get a hit over 50% of the time.

[NebraskaRed]

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[Tom Servo]

After the walk to Hiura I thought the Milwaukee odds of scoring were pretty good with lefties Yelich and Morrison coming up, nice work by Disco!

[JFLegal]

why is thom selective in the dialects he overpronounces? he goes all-in on hispanic names. but italian names? not so much.

don't be racist, thom. treat everyone the same. "desclafani" needs more emphasis all the way around.

[mhs95_06]

Nice 3-2 breaking ball by Disco! Morrison swung over it, but it still was on the lower edge of the strike zone.

[Tom Servo]

why is thom selective in the dialects he overpronounces? he goes all-in on hispanic names. but italian names? not so much.

don't be racist, thom. treat everyone the same. "desclafani" needs more emphasis all the way around.
This is erasure of the flavor he gives to Castellanos

[PuffyPig]

Nevertheless, they were outs and they upped the pitch count by only the minimum. If you swing at the first pitch, unless there is a special situation, like needing to get the runner in from 3rd, you need to get a hit over 50% of the time.

That’s the most ridiculous thing I’ve ever read.

If you hit a line drive on the first pitch, you’ve done a good job.

No hitter hits .500 on the first pitch, even if you count only the balls hit into play. Not even close to it.

You are saying players need to take the first pitch pretty much always.

Welcome to the 0-1 count.


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[JFLegal]

This is erasure of the flavor he gives to Castellanos

tom, not sure what you mean.

oh, you're probably referring to ... "CAST-EH-AHHHH-NOS!"

[NebraskaRed]

Honestly, I preferred the top of the 1st to the top of the 2nd.

[NebraskaRed]

Nice K

[TheBigLebowski]

T-Bone!

[NebraskaRed]

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[membengal]

Disco Stu approves.

[Tom Servo]

Let’s score a few more, Anderson forces you to get yourself out. Just resist that!

[JFLegal]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u1qN6gLbUMw

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the brewers defense is outstanding tonight. for us.

[NebraskaRed]

What a throw...haha

[RedForLife]

Late to the festivities. Had to run an errand. Checked Gameday and glad to see that Suarez got his second HR of the year. Go Reds!

[JFLegal]

saturday night fever indeed.

[NebraskaRed]

Votto with a gentleman's single (a walk)

[Roy Tucker]

why is thom selective in the dialects he overpronounces? he goes all-in on hispanic names. but italian names? not so much.

don't be racist, thom. treat everyone the same. "desclafani" needs more emphasis all the way around.

Because he’s an idiot.

[mhs95_06]

That’s the most ridiculous thing I’ve ever read.

If you hit a line drive on the first pitch, you’ve done a good job.

No hitter hits .500 on the first pitch, even if you count only the balls hit into play. Not even close to it.

You are saying players need to take the first pitch pretty much always.

Welcome to the 0-1 count.


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Now you've got it, 0-0 pitch should be taken more than the 3-0 pitch, and the 3-0 pitch should be swung at more, but both should be a base hit on over 50% of the swings or you are hurting your team.

[RedForLife]

Davidson's done. The lucky bat is gone. Now he has to go back to being our bullpen ace.

[NebraskaRed]

Davidson takes a step towards being history's greatest monster again.

[PuffyPig]

Now you've got it, 0-0 pitch should be taken more than the 3-0 pitch, and the 3-0 pitch should be swung at more, but both should be a base hit on over 50% of the swings or you are hurting your team.

You are saying that every batter should take the first pitch of the AB.

I don’t think you understand the math.

You would basically be guaranteeing your hitter would be in a 0-1 hole if they took every first pitch, as the opponents would figure that out in a hurry.

Have you seen how much hitters stats go down when the first pitch is a strike?

You would have the worst offence in the majors.


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[LeDoux]

Buster Posey is the world's greatest monster.

[LeDoux]

Sweet revenge on that DP.

[NebraskaRed]

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[RedForLife]

Now you've got it, 0-0 pitch should be taken more than the 3-0 pitch, and the 3-0 pitch should be swung at more, but both should be a base hit on over 50% of the swings or you are hurting your team.

I have to disagree. Unless you're great at hitting it where they ain't, you're not going to get a base hit on over 50% of your swings on a 3-0 count. You might put it in play but, you can't guarantee a hit. These guys have seen thousands of pitches playing baseball. I say they should swing more at the first pitch as the pitcher is looking to get ahead in the count. So, the pitcher will generally throw a first pitch fastball especially if his scouting report states that particular batter usually takes the first pitch.

[Bourgeois Zee]

Winker pulls a Dietrich.

[Kc61]

I’ve seen this game before. Let’s take advantage of the men on base.

Bags full, two outs, Castellanos up, Brewers calling for a righty. Number 39 coming in.

[LeDoux]

When Cast gets up with the bases loaded I start salivating like Pavlov's dog.

[PuffyPig]

Winker pulls a Dietrich.

Not that there’s anything wrong with that, but this is a family board.

[mhs95_06]

You are saying that every batter should take the first pitch of the AB.

I don’t think you understand the math.

You would basically be guaranteeing your hitter would be in a 0-1 hole if they took every first pitch, as the opponents would figure that out in a hurry.

Have you seen how much hitters stats go down when the first pitch is a strike?

You would have the worst offence in the majors.


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You have to have the mindset that you need to get a hit over 50% of the times you swing at the first pitch in most situations, being very selective in what you swing at, and in what situation. But you should not swing so infrequently that a pitcher thinks he can groove one. Maybe less than 20% of the time should you go to the plate resolved to for sure not to swing. You have to have a plan on pitch and location to swing at, not "see the ball, hit the ball", like you might have with 2 strikes. I would like to know what hitters have the highest average on first pitches, and what % of first pitches they swing at.

[RedForLife]

Ouch!

[Tom Servo]

Would have been nice to have busted it open there. Ah well, hopefully can get some more with the move to the pen for the Brewers.

[TheBigLebowski]

They missed a chance to blow this thing open. T-Bone has to be nails. Gotta hold on to this one.

[Roy Tucker]

When Cast gets up with the bases loaded I start salivating like Pavlov's dog.

Yeah when you call my name
I salivate like a Pavlov dog
Yeah when you lay me out
My heart is bumpin' louder than a big bass drum, alright

[PuffyPig]

You have to have the mindset that you need to get a hit over 50% of the times you swing at the first pitch in most situations, being very selective in what you swing at, and in what situation. But you should not swing so infrequently that a pitcher thinks he can groove one. Maybe less than 20% of the time should you go to the plate resolved to for sure not to swing. You have to have a plan on pitch and location to swing at, not "see the ball, hit the ball", like you might have with 2 strikes. I would like to know what hitters have the highest average on first pitches, and what % of first pitches they swing at.

No one would be close to .500, as a number of those pitches would be missed or fouled off.

I believe Votto is over .400 if you only count the first pitch swings he puts into play. That’s considered spectacular.

His ability to hit first pitches so well is one of the reasons why pitchers are so careful with first pitches against him, which leads to walks.

If you can get a line drive on the first pitch, you jump at it.


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[Roy Tucker]

Suarez looked like a SS on that Yelich groundout.

[RedForLife]

Suarez looked like a SS on that Yelich groundout.

Didn't he start out as a SS?

[mhs95_06]

Reds need to add on to the lead, bullpen is coming closer, and they may not get to the closer if they don't score some more.

[mth123]

Yeah when you call my name
I salivate like a Pavlov dog
Yeah when you lay me out
My heart is bumpin' louder than a big bass drum, alright

He Struck Out. It's a *****.

[RedForLife]

Reds need to add on to the lead, bullpen is coming closer, and they may not get to the closer if they don't score some more.

T-Bone is in the zone. Leave him in.

[Bourgeois Zee]

You have to have the mindset that you need to get a hit over 50% of the times you swing at the first pitch in most situations, being very selective in what you swing at, and in what situation. But you should not swing so infrequently that a pitcher thinks he can groove one. Maybe less than 20% of the time should you go to the plate resolved to for sure not to swing. You have to have a plan on pitch and location to swing at, not "see the ball, hit the ball", like you might have with 2 strikes. I would like to know what hitters have the highest average on first pitches, and what % of first pitches they swing at.

Maybe in slow pitch softball, this makes sense.

In baseball? No chance.

The Reds tried taking the first pitch years ago. It made Votto from a 900 OPS minor league bat into a 750 OPS minor league bat.

[Roy Tucker]

Didn't he start out as a SS?

Yep. Lots of talk on the board back when about putting him there. I think Cozart had it covered then though.

[Wonderful Monds]

why is thom selective in the dialects he overpronounces? he goes all-in on hispanic names. but italian names? not so much.

don't be racist, thom. treat everyone the same. "desclafani" needs more emphasis all the way around.

Thom is the Trump Tower taco salad of baseball announcers

[Bourgeois Zee]

Corbin Burnes has looked dominant. Great fastball location so far.

[Kc61]

Winker out of game. Hopefully the HBP isn’t acting up.

Reds are getting an injury per night. Sometimes two.

[RedForLife]

Yep. Lots of talk on the board back when about putting him there. I think Cozart had it covered then though.

That's what I thought. So, we could put Geno at SS, move Moose to 3B, put Senzel at 2B and then bring up Aquino and put him in CF. Just spitballing... with my beer!

[Roy Tucker]

Suarez with a nice over the shoulder catch on the go route.

[PuffyPig]

That's what I thought. So, we could put Geno at SS, move Moose to 3B, put Senzel at 2B and then bring up Aquino and put him in CF. Just spitballing... with my beer!

Suarez can not play a credible SS.

And I doubt AA will be used in CF.


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[kaldaniels]

Those Disco Stu pictures can go to hell.

https://media1.giphy.com/media/h7Ljhc3CK6Th18rPut/giphy.gif

[klw]

Suarez can not play a credible SS.

And I doubt AA will be used in CF.


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Votto to SS
Geno to CF
AA to first

Problems solved, baseball is easy.

[Roy Tucker]

Jankowski looks like he should play guitar for Def Leopard.

[klw]

Those Disco Stu pictures can go to hell.

https://media1.giphy.com/media/h7Ljhc3CK6Th18rPut/giphy.gif
Koko

[RedForLife]

Votto to SS
Geno to CF
AA to first

Problems solved, baseball is easy.

Especially with alcohol.

[Kc61]

This umpire is in love with low pitches.

At least when the Brewers throw them.

[Ron Madden]

Horrible strike 3 call on Jankowski

[Tom Servo]

Justice 4 Jankowksi

[Bourgeois Zee]

That might be the worst call I've seen so far this season.

[PuffyPig]

Horrible strike 3 call on Jankowski

One of the worst i’ve seen all year.


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[mhs95_06]

No one would be close to .500, as a number of those pitches would be missed or fouled off.

I believe Votto is over .400 if you only count the first pitch swings he puts into play. That’s considered spectacular.

His ability to hit first pitches so well is one of the reasons why pitchers are so careful with first pitches against him, which leads to walks.

If you can get a line drive on the first pitch, you jump at it.


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Votto is a great example of a great 1st pitch hitter. I'm sure he goes up with a definite plan on what kind of a pitch it must be for him to swing, and he sticks to it. Does anyone know what % of first pitches Votto swings at, and what % of those he puts in play? Like President Trump, my original statement may have been an aspirational goal, like his desire to have things opened up by Easter, or a free throw shooter thinking he needs to be 100%, or a CF thinking he should not have an error for a season.

[Kc61]

That might be the worst call I've seen so far this season.

And it should have been ball four, to boot.

[LeDoux]

Thom is the Trump Tower taco salad of baseball announcers

Thom gave you hepatitis?

[kaldaniels]

Damn Thom.

[Ron Madden]

This Ump is terrible!!!

[RedForLife]

T-Bone got him!

[Coopdaddy67]

Damn Thom.

If were going by the umpire's history today, that was essentially right down the middle though.

[kaldaniels]

This Ump is terrible!!!

The ball Thom missed the call on seemed off the plate, especially if you go by the K zone.

To your broader point - true!

[Tom Servo]

Disco!

I think he's got a little left in him, but I might go Garret in the 7th given that Yelich and Morrison are coming up.

[Kc61]

Reds need to break the 2019 pattern. Score early - but add on! Even one run. Now is the time.

[Bunting Bad]

The start of the season hasn't been what we had hoped for, but the starting pitching has been enjoyable to watch

[mhs95_06]

Great try by Catellanos on that single. Looked like the fingers of his glove are so long, he couldn't get the heel down far enough to keep it from glancing off.

[Coopdaddy67]

Disco!

I think he's got a little left in him, but I might go Garret in the 7th given that Yelich and Morrison are coming up.

I tend to agree with the move being Garrett. I don't mind limiting DeSclafani's pitch count either.

It would be nice to get a couple runs right here.

[mhs95_06]

Disco!

I think he's got a little left in him, but I might go Garret in the 7th given that Yelich and Morrison are coming up.

Its an even tougher decision with the 3 batter rule! If you leave the P in, to start the inning, and the first batter gets on, then the relief pitcher can't come out of the game until you may be behind 4-3.

[LeDoux]

Disco!

I think he's got a little left in him, but I might go Garret in the 7th given that Yelich and Morrison are coming up.

Cool. But there are two inning after that. Tough call.

[NebraskaRed]

Thom's attempt at a Disco joke was a failure, but he tried!

[JFLegal]

shogo RBI triple!

[RedForLife]

Shogo!!!

[LeDoux]

Shogo!

[Ron Madden]

Shogo RBI Triple!!!!

[Tom Servo]

Shogo!

RZ is giving up on him a little too early, short season be damned.

[HammerTime]

Shogo time!

[Kc61]

Was going to say that Shogo for Ervin is a Bell type move. Not every manager makes that move.

But it worked out, so give Bell credit. And Shogo, of course.

[PuffyPig]

Our first triple of the year.


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[EnglishRed]

shogo!!! RBI triple

[membengal]

Triple. Beautiful.

[TheBigLebowski]

Show Go!

[Roy Tucker]

Like that extra run. Reds have dominated but haven’t quite put this game away.

[JFLegal]

awful

[NebraskaRed]

Damn

[PuffyPig]

Was going to say that Shogo for Ervin is a Bell type move. Not every manager makes that move.

But it worked out, so give Bell credit.

I thought it was obvious, getting a lefty in for a hitter who is terrible against righties, plus he was coming in for defence anyway.


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[HammerTime]

Shogo is fast but I don’t think even Billy Hamilton scores on that.

[adkindo]

not deep enough at all? Was not even great throw and had him by 3 feet...

[Kc61]

Too bad, but Reds have to hold four run leads in this spot.

All their main relievers should be available.

[mhs95_06]

Neither Castellanos nor Votto could get the "slam proof" run in from 3rd with less than 2 out!

[RedForLife]

I tend to agree with the move being Garrett. I don't mind limiting DeSclafani's pitch count either.

It would be nice to get a couple runs right here.

He's been lights out. Our bullpen hasn't. I say leave him in. And I hate pitch counts.

[Kc61]

I thought it was obvious, getting a lefty in for a hitter who is terrible against righties, plus he was coming info for defence anyway.


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Problem is Reds don’t have another lefty bat for later. I guess Barnhart, if necessary.

So if you use Shogo there, you can get stuck if game gets tied up.

Not every manager would make the move, but Bell likes to be aggressive. Glad it worked out.

[JFLegal]

Shogo is fast but I don’t think even Billy Hamilton scores on that.

shogo really isn't that fast. he's not slow, but he's not fast. he appears to have average speed to me.

[NebraskaRed]

I'd go Garrett, Iglesias in the 8th, Davidson to close it out.

[Coopdaddy67]

He's been lights out. Our bullpen hasn't. I say leave him in. And I hate pitch counts.

You can hate them all you like, but given how many pitchers have been hurt this year (including DeSclafani), I'm all for being careful early in the season.

[RedForLife]

He's been lights out. Our bullpen hasn't. I say leave him in. And I hate pitch counts.

Well, let's see what happens. C'mon Amir, mow 'em down!

[JFLegal]

Problem is Reds don’t have another lefty bat for later. I guess Barnhart, if necessary.

So if you use Shogo there, you can get stuck if game gets tied up.

Not every manager would make the move, but Bell likes to be aggressive. Glad it worked out.

you are acting like it was a difficult move. bell decided to pinch hit a lefty who the reds just paid $21M for a guy who arguably shouldn't be on a MLB roster. against a right-handed pitcher. kind of a no-brainer there imo.

[Ron Madden]

WTG Amir!

[RedForLife]

I'd go Garrett, Iglesias in the 8th, Davidson to close it out.

LMAO!

[foster15]

shogo really isn't that fast. he's not slow, but he's not fast. he appears to have average speed to me.

He didn't look fast, but it sure looked like catcher would've had a hard time putting tag on him if he would've slid. Do not understand why he went in standing up.

[JFLegal]

I'd go Garrett, Iglesias in the 8th, Davidson to close it out.

lmao! you're always cracking me up.

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He didn't look fast, but it sure looked like catcher would've had a hard time putting tag on him if he would've slid. Do not understand why he went in standing up.

and i'm not just basing my thoughts on that one play. i've noticed a few times that shogo is not very fast. certainly not slow. but not fast by MLB standards.

[JFLegal]

two quick outs for amir. very nice.

[Kc61]

you are acting like it was a difficult move. bell decided to pinch hit a lefty who the reds just paid $21M for a guy who arguably shouldn't be on a MLB roster. against a right-handed pitcher. kind of a no-brainer there imo.

It is not a move that is routinely made.

[Ron Madden]

He didn't look fast, but it sure looked like catcher would've had a hard time putting tag on him if he would've slid. Do not understand why he went in standing up.

Hard to slide that far

[RedForLife]

lmao! you're always cracking me up.

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and i'm not just basing my thoughts on that one play. i've noticed a few times that shogo is not very fast. certainly not slow. but not fast by MLB standards.

OK but, by the Winker standard, how fast is he?

[adkindo]

MiLo going to pitch the 8th

[NebraskaRed]

Nice!

[Ron Madden]

Good Job Amir!!!

[adkindo]

OK but, by the Winker standard, how fast is he?

Usain Bolt level

[JFLegal]

this is the amir garrett that i choose to believe will always be the real amir garrett.

[foster15]

Hard to slide that far

Running that slow, you're probably right.

[Kingspoint]

I have never seen any team, yet alone the REDS, loaded with this many quality Starting Pitchers.

As someone who watched a thousand Mariners games in the mid-'90's, I know too well that even if you have a quality starting staff and an All-Star lineup, you will still fail to win important games if your bullpen lets you down.

Our bullpen has got to find itself.

[JFLegal]

I have never seen any team, yet alone the REDS, loaded with this many quality Starting Pitchers.

As someone who watched a thousand Mariners games in the mid-'90's, I know too well that even if you have a quality starting staff and an All-Star lineup, you will still fail to win important games if your bullpen lets you down.

Our bullpen has got to find itself.

yes, that is why this team has a chance. the reds' starting pitching staff is not good. it is elite.

which is why i was so pissed "we" started 5-8 in a shortened season. but 7-8 wouldn't be lookin too bad, and i really like this roster overall.

[EnglishRed]

Just what we needed from Garrett. Don't give them any hope.

[Kc61]

I have never seen any team, yet alone the REDS, loaded with this many quality Starting Pitchers.

As someone who watched a thousand Mariners games in the mid-'90's, I know too well that even if you have a quality starting staff and an All-Star lineup, you will still fail to win important games if your bullpen lets you down.

Our bullpen has got to find itself.

This is how the pen was conceived for this year. Garrett, Lorenzen, Iglesias. So we’ll see if it works tonight. It’s certainly due.

[Kingspoint]

Amir is making a play for someone we can count on in the bullpen. For me and bullpen guys, it's all about opposing OPS.

[Bunting Bad]

Seems like Lorenzen is Bell's ride or die this year. I can understand that in 162 game season, but not sure about a 60 game season.

[Ron Madden]

Geno Walks

[reds77]

Lorenzen coming in has me worried. I hope the dude does well.

[Kc61]

LOL, Suarez walks on the exact low pitch that Janko and others took for strike three.

[adkindo]

Lorenzen coming in has me worried. I hope the dude does well.

I mean you would probably be insane if you were not worried.....fingers crossed

[Roy Tucker]

So, my wife is out of town this weekend. I worked in the yard all day so I’m a little tired. I don’t feel like getting out at all so I’m a homebody tonight.

But it’s been nice to follow this thread for the ballgame. Nice to chat with y’all. :)

[RedForLife]

OMG! Another horrible call. That was low and away.

[HammerTime]

Hard to get a hit when you don’t take the bat off your shoulder.

[Bunting Bad]

So, my wife is out of town this weekend. I worked in the yard all day so I’m a little tired. I don’t feel like getting out at all so I’m a homebody tonight.

But it’s been nice to follow this thread for the ballgame. Nice to chat with y’all. :)

Your lucky. I have seen way too much of my wife the last 6 months.

[RedForLife]

Lorenzen coming in has me worried. I hope the dude does well.

We need him to do well. I share your concern.

[EnglishRed]

So, my wife is out of town this weekend. I worked in the yard all day so I’m a little tired. I don’t feel like getting out at all so I’m a homebody tonight.

But it’s been nice to follow this thread for the ballgame. Nice to chat with y’all. :)

Enjoy your peace and quiet!!!

[mgbrown66]

Sorry, just woke from a four year nap. Why is Arroyo a pinch hitter now?


#nevergetsold

[EnglishRed]

Lorenzen has to come good at some stage, would rather see him in at 4-0 rather than in a close game.

[HammerTime]

No idea what you do with Lorenzen at this point.

[EnglishRed]

Lorenzen has to come good at some stage, would rather see him in at 4-0 rather than in a close game.

Never mind.

[RedForLife]

Lorenzen has to come good at some stage, would rather see him in at 4-0 rather than in a close game.

Hopefully he doesn't make it a close game.

[mgbrown66]

Every time I wAtch Lorenzen pitch I envision plates near the rosin bag.

You lifters know what I mean. :)

[Tom Servo]

Lorenzen just wants his pal Iggy to pick up a save, nothing to be too concerned about!

[reds77]

Lorenzen...ugh

[JFLegal]

LOLrenzen

[Cursh14]

I am one that will almost always say the manager gets too much crap. They generally get blasted for things that were no-win scenarios. That said, would have loved to see Desclafani another inning.

[Alabama Red]

Go ahead and pull him.

[ZakkW]

Get this guy out of there before he screws another win away

[Bunting Bad]

No idea what you do with Lorenzen at this point.

Have to feel bad for him. He works hard, is a good teammate and is very competitive. Hope he turns it around.

[HammerTime]

Go ahead and pull him.

Can’t yet.

[Reds]

1 gone. get a double play now and bring iggy in up 3.

[statmanwvu]

There has to be something wrong with him. Wasn’t he banged up with some forearm discomfort?

[757690]

Other teams right now are telling themselves if the can just keep the game close enough until the Reds bring in Lorenzen and Iglesias, they have a shot.

[Alabama Red]

Forgot about that.

[Reds]

k!

[Ron Madden]

Nice pitch

[TheBigLebowski]

Nice

[Reds]

lorenzen just needs something to go not wrong for him. at this point giving up only 1 run would be a confidence boost.

[NCReds]

My goodness did lorenzen get away with one right down the pipe.

[reds77]

Nice, inning over.

[LeDoux]

I'll take it. Good inning kid.

[Reds]

maybe lorenzen is just one of those players who feeds off the crowd like a whole lot and that's part of it idk

[Ron Madden]

Headed to the 9TH up 4-1

[TheBigLebowski]

Maybe that will give him a shot of confidence

[ZakkW]

Whew, nice recovery by ML after rough start

[Ironman92]

Good enough

[EnglishRed]

That could have been worse.

[RedForLife]

I like Lorenzen. I just don't understand why, so far this year, his pitches seem to look like beach balls to opposing batters.

[Roy Tucker]

Your lucky. I have seen way too much of my wife the last 6 months.

I have too. My son in law is at a wedding this weekend and my daughter invited us down. I told my wife to just go without me. I’d just be a third wheel. Make it a girls weekend (along with Jasper my grandson).

Of course, she gave me a honey do list a mile long so my ass is dragging now. Tomorrow is a play day though. I got everything done today.

[Kc61]

Lorenzen seemed to throw more breaking pitches than usual.

Oh, well, he got through it ok.

[mgbrown66]

Lorenzo needs to move into Sonnys house and learn how to curve. MLB hitters can hit yo fastball.

[Alabama Red]

I like Lorenzen. I just don't understand why, so far this year, his pitches seem to look like beach balls to opposing batters.
Seems to be leaving a lot of pitches over the plate.

[RedForLife]

Headed to the 9TH up 3-1

LOL! It's 4-1 Ron.

[EnglishRed]

Maybe that will give him a shot of confidence

always thought Lorenzen is a confidence player. On his day he's very good. When his head goes down it goes down hard. Hopefully that will lift him a bit.

[mgbrown66]

always thought Lorenzen is a confidence player. On his day he's very good. When his head goes down it goes down hard. Hopefully that will lift him a bit.

A 9.0 ERA will lift him a bit? :)

[WVRedsFan]

Maybe that will give him a shot of confidenceI think confidence is not his problem. His attitude that he can throw a straight fastball is, even at 95 mph not a big deal.

[Ron Madden]

LOL! It's 4-1 Ron.

Haha I fat thumbed that one

[adkindo]

Seems to be leaving a lot of pitches over the plate.

he claimed he was planning on focusing on increasing his velocity in the offseason....sometimes increased velocity can cause pitches to lose movement and location

[Ron Madden]

BB for Shogo

[WVRedsFan]

he claimed he was planning on focusing on increasing his velocity in the offseason....sometimes increased velocity can cause pitches to lose movement and locationThat's what I tried to communicate. You did it better than i did.

[RedForLife]

Haha I fat thumbed that one

It happens. Have another shot! Look at it this way, we're better off than you thought we were. Let's just hope Iggy can nail it down.

[Roy Tucker]

he claimed he was planning on focusing on increasing his velocity in the offseason....sometimes increased velocity can cause pitches to lose movement and location

Lorenzen sometimes seems too amped up and then he’s got arms and legs flailing all over the place and the pitch goes every which way. When he seems a little more settled and compact, he gets better results.

[Ron Madden]

Castellanos HBP!

[RedForLife]

That's what I tried to communicate. You did it better than i did.

That's what I like about Castillo. Not superior velocity but, his pitches really do move.

[EnglishRed]

Castellanos HBP!

Glad that wasn't a few inches higher!

[Bunting Bad]

Glad that wasn't a few inches higher!
Family board

[HammerTime]

Burnes is throwing some funk up there.

[Ron Madden]

Well, Here We Go!

[LeDoux]

I am ready for an old Iglesias encore. Go git em Iggy.

[WVRedsFan]

fingers crossed

[Ron Madden]

Good Pitch!

There's one out

[NCReds]

For all the marbles. Let’s get this W.

[WVRedsFan]

1 down

[JFLegal]

RYE-SELL!

[Roy Tucker]

Wicked strike 3 by Iglesias.

[Ironman92]

Love the delivery on that strike 3 pitch

[reds77]

2 down

[JFLegal]

one out to go!

[Ron Madden]

There's two outs!

[LeDoux]

Iggy is clopping through the meat of the lineup like is a rotten carrot.

[Reds]

iggy dealing

[reds77]

Nice win by the Reds.

[JFLegal]

reds win!

[WVRedsFan]

Reds win

[Ron Madden]

There's Three outs!!!

Reds Win!!!

[RedForLife]

Hell Yeah!

[LeDoux]

Boom! The guys look good lately.

[Ironman92]

https://images.app.goo.gl/2Nkc8xHmD5EL5ewz5

[Kc61]

Well played game by Reds, should have scored a few more, but good pitching, solid defense, long ball by Suarez.

If they play like this, they’ll win a lot of games.

[Roy Tucker]

Iggy has his mojo rising.

[Alabama Red]

Good win. Sonny and the bats let’s get the sweep.

[Tom Servo]

We’re good again :beerme:

[EnglishRed]

ATOBTTR!!

[Ironman92]

Solid

Iglesias hiding the ball in his delivery much better and the change up to lefties is nasty

[WVRedsFan]

I wish Thommy would quit using his Daddy's game-endng call. I guess Marty gave him permission, but still...

[Umkubas]

Winner Winner Chicken Dinner

[mhs95_06]

Three straight change-ups for all 3 strikes of the AB for the K for the final out and the save.