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JFLegal
08-12-2020, 10:17 PM
Rosenthal really is wild tonight.

which made it even dumber to bunt.

also, did bell not notice the third baseman was going all mickey rivers on us? (pete rose vs mickey rivers i should say)

NC Reds
08-12-2020, 10:18 PM
Phil looks like he’s going to take some cookies out of the oven.

Coopdaddy67
08-12-2020, 10:18 PM
Be nice to have your 250Million dollar first baseman to hit down 1 in 9th with men on base......but he was pulled for maybe one of the worst bench hitter in baseball. Insteat it will be Colon instead of Votto because Bell wanted to goof around with the lineup cord.

It was the right move. Jankowski got to 3rd with 1 out trailing by a run.

JFLegal
08-12-2020, 10:19 PM
cast walks! bases loaded.

The Operator
08-12-2020, 10:19 PM
Castellanos walks

Now Colon hits in Votto’s spot

LeDoux
08-12-2020, 10:19 PM
Walk Votto in. I'm cool with that.

NebraskaRed
08-12-2020, 10:19 PM
It all comes down to Christian Colon.

As the oracles predicted.

podgejeff_
08-12-2020, 10:20 PM
Thom is reading this thread.

UPRedsFan
08-12-2020, 10:20 PM
We need a hero Colon

RedsBrick
08-12-2020, 10:20 PM
Colon is now the 3-hole. haha.

LeDoux
08-12-2020, 10:20 PM
Oh wait. What happened?

What scenario could justify Colon pinch hitting for Votto?

UK Reds Fan
08-12-2020, 10:21 PM
Castellanos walks

Now Colon hits in Votto’s spot

Why not give Davidson the nod over Colon....Bell has used everbody else

The Operator
08-12-2020, 10:21 PM
Rosenthal was absolutely pitching around Castellanos


Going right after Colon

Roy Tucker
08-12-2020, 10:21 PM
Serious heat here.

JFLegal
08-12-2020, 10:21 PM
Oh wait. What happened?

What scenario could justify Colon pinch hitting for Votto?

he's not pinch hitting. our genius manager already pulled votto.

The Operator
08-12-2020, 10:21 PM
Oh wait. What happened?

What scenario could justify Colon pinch hitting for Votto?

Bell pinch ran for him earlier with Jankowski

NebraskaRed
08-12-2020, 10:21 PM
Never thought the most intense games of the season would be against the Royals.

Billy_Bearcat
08-12-2020, 10:22 PM
Lol

JFLegal
08-12-2020, 10:22 PM
brutal

The Operator
08-12-2020, 10:22 PM
Lol


Thanks, David


Between Barnhart’s bunt and not having Votto to hit there, The Reds lose.



Ugh

podgejeff_
08-12-2020, 10:22 PM
L
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JFLegal
08-12-2020, 10:22 PM
bell with another one-run loss.

Ironman92
08-12-2020, 10:22 PM
Breaking ball eh?

I mean Iím shocked. Just shocked.

RedsBrick
08-12-2020, 10:22 PM
I hate Bell.

Roy Tucker
08-12-2020, 10:23 PM
Classic get the hitter reaching and roll one over. Bah.

Tom Servo
08-12-2020, 10:23 PM
Well that absolutely sucked. Colon loves to swing, horrible guy to have up there.

They let this one slip away.

JFLegal
08-12-2020, 10:23 PM
Lol


Thanks, David


Between Barnhart’s bunt and not having Votto to hit there, The Reds lose.



Ugh

david bell will find ways to lose one-run games. it's what he does best. anyone pretending like it's a fluke at this point ... is doing exactly that. pretending.

lnn6574
08-12-2020, 10:23 PM
8 walks.


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malcontent
08-12-2020, 10:23 PM
Genius strikes again.

757690
08-12-2020, 10:23 PM
Usually I say it’s hard to pin this one on the manager, but tonight...

WVRedsFan
08-12-2020, 10:23 PM
Bad move tinkering with the lineup. As some in politics say, it is what it is. Get 'em tomorrow

Playadlc
08-12-2020, 10:23 PM
That was an absolutely putrid swing.

Coopdaddy67
08-12-2020, 10:23 PM
Bunting was stupid, pinch running for Votto when you were trying to tie the game was not.

Jankowski got to 3rd base with 1 out, Senzel didn't come through.

JFLegal
08-12-2020, 10:23 PM
Well that absolutely sucked. Colon loves to swing, horrible guy to have up there.

They let this one slip away.

votto should have been up there.

TheBigLebowski
08-12-2020, 10:24 PM
David Bell is awful. He’s legitimately a terrible manager.

Stray
08-12-2020, 10:24 PM
If your 3 hole hitter is up w/1 out and the bases loaded in the bottom of the 9th and it's Christian Colon, you overmanaged the game.

Kc61
08-12-2020, 10:24 PM
Usually I say itís hard to pin this one on the manager, but tonight...

Bell did nothing wrong. Might have hit Davidson for Colon, or even Casali. But otherwise nothing wrong.

Reds
08-12-2020, 10:24 PM
Bell had a bad game I thought.

JFLegal
08-12-2020, 10:25 PM
Bell did nothing wrong. Might have hit Davidson for Colon, or even Casali. But otherwise nothing wrong.

hahaha! good one. examples of bell being a disaster:

barnhart never should have batted in the 9th. van meter led off with a walk. needed to pinch hit there for barnhart. instead, "analytically-minded" bell bunted right into an out with the third baseman right in barnhart's junk. incredibly stupid. even if you lay down the bunt, it's an out.

then you pull votto too early and are left with christian colon instead of votto to bat with the bases loaded, down one, bottom of the ninth, one out. colon grounds into a double play to end the game.

managerial malpractice. david bell is in so far over his head.

Ron Madden
08-12-2020, 10:25 PM
This is the first game where I agree that Bell made too many unnecessary moves

UK Reds Fan
08-12-2020, 10:25 PM
It is so stupid that every 6th inning..>Bell starts pulling starters for bench players...every game. So you don't left handed Votto vs. RH Rosenthal....for right handed Colon.

But even after that mental screw job...why not give the bat to Davidson over Colon. Davidson is a 1B and he's a better hitter and was available.

redsrule2500
08-12-2020, 10:25 PM
Classic get the hitter reaching and roll one over. Bah.

Can we please get a manager who simply plays the odds in every single situation? A computer would be doing better than Bell.

Stray
08-12-2020, 10:25 PM
If Votto is the winning run I can get behind pinch running him. As the tying run no thank you.

Patrick Bateman
08-12-2020, 10:25 PM
Iíve got Bellís back but that was on him. No data supports taking Votto out for a pinch runner when he did.


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Reds
08-12-2020, 10:25 PM
This is the first game where I agree that Bell made too many unnecessary moves

yeah i haven't blamed him very much but he micro managed this game into the ground

Smjjaz
08-12-2020, 10:25 PM
Well, between Bell and Lorenzen I think they have accounted for at least 6 of the 10 losses.

podgejeff_
08-12-2020, 10:25 PM
I think I'm done with David Bell.

LeDoux
08-12-2020, 10:26 PM
Bell pinch ran for him earlier with Jankowski

Okay.... that's one strategy I suppose.

Crumbley
08-12-2020, 10:26 PM
I admit- I like the bunt. At least back when most hitters were proficient in it. These days.... I dunno.
And every reliever throws a million miles an hour.

The Operator
08-12-2020, 10:26 PM
Usually I say it’s hard to pin this one on the manager, but tonight...

This bad boy is pretty squarely on his shoulders.


Rosenthal was all over the place and we gave him an out. Then we don’t have Votto to hit with the bases loaded? Awful.

Alabama Red
08-12-2020, 10:26 PM
This one hurts. Man in 3rd with less that two outs twice and can’t get him home. In a short season a two game swing in a winnable game hurts. Just need a 5-6 game winning streak now.

RedsBrick
08-12-2020, 10:26 PM
Bell had a bad game I thought.

Wash, rinse, repeat.

Bruce Berenyi
08-12-2020, 10:26 PM
impossible to "root: for this dystopia

Reds
08-12-2020, 10:27 PM
hey we're still in a playoff spot I think.

RBA
08-12-2020, 10:27 PM
Give me a sec......https://media0.giphy.com/media/deMMOL24ZOZiHdWezh/giphy.gif?cid=349c9dd7pm7d63am1vg7xvdi3mjz4bq0l0lc g97zzq6g8aml&rid=giphy.gif

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Tom Servo
08-12-2020, 10:27 PM
Bell did nothing wrong. Might have hit Davidson for Colon, or even Casali. But otherwise nothing wrong.
The bunt was dumb, and so was having Colon up there. Not saying he cost them the game, but that’s not putting your guys in the best position to win.

Real disappointing, coming back and winning this one is the kind of thing the real good teams do. Instead they pissed it away and continue to look like an average, .500 team.

Coopdaddy67
08-12-2020, 10:27 PM
Bell did nothing wrong. Might have hit Davidson for Colon, or even Casali. But otherwise nothing wrong.

I hate bunting Barnhart. The only reason I can think of is that he thought a GIDP was imminent, which is somewhat understandable. Still, I hate bunting. Even more so because he bunted directly into the charging defender, which is just plain stupid.

I probably would have gone with Davidson, but I get Colon there because of the other guys' tendency to strikeout.

Kc61
08-12-2020, 10:27 PM
It is so stupid that every 6th inning..>Bell starts pulling starters for bench players...every game. So you don't left handed Votto vs. RH Rosenthal....for right handed Colon.

But even after that mental screw job...why not give the bat to Davidson over Colon. Davidson is a 1B and he's a better hitter and was available.

He ran for Votto in the eighth, behind a run. No way Votto gets to third on the single. Jankowski did. Good move. Just couldn’t get the sacrifice fly.

Agree on Davidson and Colon. More likely to get the fly ball. I would have made that change.

Phoenix2
08-12-2020, 10:28 PM
Bell micromanages his way to another defeat

Rolando
08-12-2020, 10:28 PM
Well, between Bell and Lorenzen I think they have accounted for at least 6 of the 10 losses.
Don't forget about Suarez he is absolutely killing them

UPRedsFan
08-12-2020, 10:28 PM
Pulling Votto in the 8th was a good move. Bunting to avoid the DP also a good move but Tucker laid an egg by bunting it right to the 3rd baseman standing in his face. Either take the pitch or bunt to the 1st base side. How could he not steer the ball away from Franco? That's on Tucker not Bell.

Rolando
08-12-2020, 10:29 PM
He ran for Votto in the eighth, behind a run. No way Votto gets to third on the single. Jankowski did. Good move.

Agree on Davidson and Colon. More likely to get the fly ball. I would have made that change.

He got out managed he always gets out managed

JFLegal
08-12-2020, 10:29 PM
If your 3 hole hitter is up w/1 out and the bases loaded in the bottom of the 9th and it's Christian Colon, you overmanaged the game.

with a 28-man roster!

Stray
08-12-2020, 10:29 PM
Did you miss Jankowski going 1st to 3rd putting a runner on 3rd with only 1 out in the 8th with a chance to tie it?

Right, but even if we had hit the sac fly we still need another run to win it. Shouldn't have pinch run for Votto there, not unless he was the winning run.

AlaskaReds
08-12-2020, 10:29 PM
This team is so frustrating

RedsBrick
08-12-2020, 10:29 PM
The bunt was dumb, and so was having Colon up there. Not saying he cost them the game, but that’s not putting your guys in the best position to win.

Real disappointing, coming back and winning this one is the kind of thing the real good teams do. Instead they pissed it away and continue to look like an average, .500 team.

...or 2 games below.

HammerTime
08-12-2020, 10:29 PM
Iím not having fun.

WVRedsFan
08-12-2020, 10:30 PM
It is so stupid that every 6th inning..>Bell starts pulling starters for bench players...every game. So you don't left handed Votto vs. RH Rosenthal....for right handed Colon.

But even after that mental screw job...why not give the bat to Davidson over Colon. Davidson is a 1B and he's a better hitter and was available.

I have no proof, but I think Bell falls in love with these lesser players and just has to use them for some reason. I don't understand why you run Lorenzen for Van Meter (who almost got picked off) and then at an unproven Colon in a game-winning situation. It's frustrating.

Kc61
08-12-2020, 10:31 PM
I hate bunting Barnhart. The only reason I can think of is that he thought a GIDP was imminent, which is somewhat understandable. Still, I hate bunting. Even more so because he bunted directly into the charging defender, which is just plain stupid.

I probably would have gone with Davidson, but I get Colon there because of the other guys' tendency to strikeout.

He couldn’t risk the double play with Barnhart. It was an ok move to bunt. Fast runner on base, ok bunter.

Bell had better hitters coming up, Shogo, etc. Just couldn’t let Barnhart make two outs.

Alabama Red
08-12-2020, 10:31 PM
with a 28-man roster!
We would be better with a 25 man roster. The more players the more moves Bell can make.

JFLegal
08-12-2020, 10:31 PM
This is the first game where I agree that Bell made too many unnecessary moves

you're so negative.

/s

Bruce Berenyi
08-12-2020, 10:31 PM
yes colon is a better hitter than stephenson or aquino undoubtedly bell is a genius,,

dont forget cody reed a prospect for almost ten years I d rather see JohnLamb pitch or even Roger Nelson

Coopdaddy67
08-12-2020, 10:32 PM
Right, but even if we had hit the sac fly we still need another run to win it. Shouldn't have pinch run for Votto there, not unless he was the winning run.

Theoretically, the home team should have a much greater advantage with the extra inning rules because they get to see what the visiting team does and has a runner starting in scoring position.

For that reason, TYING the game is the most important thing when you're down late. You worry about winning the game after you've tied it. Votto wasn't scoring on anything other than a hit and he may not have been able to score on a hard base hit either.

Rolando
08-12-2020, 10:33 PM
yes colon is a better hitter than stephenson or aquino undoubtedly bell is a genius,,

dont forget cody reed a prospect for almost ten years I d rather see JohnLamb pitch or even Roger Nelson
I know one thing I am so tired of your post they don't add anything to the conversation

Reds
08-12-2020, 10:33 PM
the real overall issue is we have so many decisions to critique.

We had a pitcher come in to pitch run for a guy. We bunted. We pitch ran again. We had an end of the bench player at bat because we pitch ran earlier.

Roy Tucker
08-12-2020, 10:33 PM
Get em tomorrow. What’s done is done. Pass me a beer.

goreds2
08-12-2020, 10:34 PM
If I am not mistaken, if the season ended now, we would be in the playoffs.

UPRedsFan
08-12-2020, 10:35 PM
He ran for Votto in the eighth, behind a run. No way Votto gets to third on the single. Jankowski did. Good move. Just couldn’t get the sacrifice fly.

Agree on Davidson and Colon. More likely to get the fly ball. I would have made that change.

Who plays 2b in the 10th after Davidson hits a sac fly to tie it?

JVM is out of the game. Now you're taking Colon out too.

Rolando
08-12-2020, 10:35 PM
Who plays 2b in the 10th after Davidson hits a sac fly to tie it?

JVM is out of the game. Now you're taking Colon out too.

Nick Senzel

Reds
08-12-2020, 10:36 PM
If I am not mistaken, if the season ended now, we would be in the playoffs.

We would. The total unknown at this point is what the Cardinals will do when they return to the field.

Ron Madden
08-12-2020, 10:37 PM
Box Score

https://www.mlb.com/gameday/royals-vs-reds/2020/08/12/631599#game_state=final,lock_state=final,game_tab= box,game=631599

Roy Tucker
08-12-2020, 10:38 PM
I thought the goofy move was pinch running Lorenzen for Van Meter. Especially when you’re going to bunt anyhow. You burned up a player for no apparent gain. At least to me.

Kc61
08-12-2020, 10:39 PM
Who plays 2b in the 10th after Davidson hits a sac fly to tie it?

JVM is out of the game. Now you're taking Colon out too.

I take the point, but it’s Senzel, or Castellanos (former infielder), or anybody.

It’s do or die, you need to tie the game. If you’re lucky enough to do so, you figure something out at second base.

Alabama Red
08-12-2020, 10:39 PM
Who plays 2b in the 10th after Davidson hits a sac fly to tie it?

JVM is out of the game. Now you're taking Colon out too.
If we had gotten to the 10th we could have put anybody out there and still had a chance to win.

JFLegal
08-12-2020, 10:40 PM
I thought the goofy move was pinch running Lorenzen for Van Meter. Especially when you’re going to bunt anyhow. You burned up a player for no apparent gain. At least to me.

well, bunting was the goofiest move. can't call yourself a fan of analytics and do that nonsense. which is why i say david bell is pseudo-analytical.

Kc61
08-12-2020, 10:41 PM
well, bunting was the goofiest move. can't call yourself a fan of analytics and do that nonsense. which is why i say david bell is pseudo-analytical.

It wasnít.

Rolando
08-12-2020, 10:41 PM
well, bunting was the goofiest move. can't call yourself a fan of analytics and do that nonsense. which is why i say david bell is pseudo-analytical.

Well I'm not sure letting Tucker barnhart swing a bat is a great analytical move either

JFLegal
08-12-2020, 10:42 PM
the "we would make the playoffs if the season ended right now" sure sounds good. except we don't play the royals and tigers for the rest of the season. we will play a lot of good teams.

very disappointing to only be 4-4 against the royals and tigers combined, teams that are projected to be bottom of the barrel in MLB this year.

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It wasn’t.

it definitely was.

Jomama
08-12-2020, 10:43 PM
Bell did nothing wrong. Might have hit Davidson for Colon, or even Casali. But otherwise nothing wrong.

Whatever you say, Mrs. Bell.

Rolando
08-12-2020, 10:43 PM
the "we would make the playoffs if the season ended right now" sure sounds good. except we don't play the royals and tigers for the rest of the season. we will play a lot of good teams.

very disappointing to only be 4-4 against the royals and tigers combined, teams that are projected to be bottom of the barrel in MLB this year.

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it definitely was.

Projections mean nothing in a 60 game season

757690
08-12-2020, 10:43 PM
Theoretically, the home team should have a much greater advantage with the extra inning rules because they get to see what the visiting team does and has a runner starting in scoring position.

For that reason, TYING the game is the most important thing when you're down late. You worry about winning the game after you've tied it. Votto wasn't scoring on anything other than a hit and he may not have been able to score on a hard base hit either.

Strongly disagree with this. The new extra inning rule makes it hard to know who will win, it's easier for both teams to score, and not just once. No team should try to play to getting to extra innings. Every team should try to win it before it gets to extra innings.

Roy Tucker
08-12-2020, 10:44 PM
well, bunting was the goofiest move. can't call yourself a fan of analytics and do that nonsense. which is why i say david bell is pseudo-analytical.

A sac bunt there is a defensible move. Not a fan, but I get it. But Barnhart needs to have situational awareness. When the 3B is 15 feet away and you get an outside pitch, lay off it. Like Welch said, it was a trap play.

Indymoon
08-12-2020, 10:44 PM
I take the point, but it’s Senzel, or Castellanos (former infielder), or anybody.

It’s do or die, you need to tie the game. If you’re lucky enough to do so, you figure something out at second base.

Don’t PR for JVM.

Jomama
08-12-2020, 10:45 PM
This is the first game where I agree that Bell made too many unnecessary moves

You have a very high threshold. Tonight was quintessential Bell.

JFLegal
08-12-2020, 10:45 PM
A sac bunt there is a defensible move. Not a fan, but I get it. But Barnhart needs to have situational awareness. When the 3B is 15 feet away and you get an outside pitch, lay off it. Like Welch said, it was a trap play.

the third baseman was charging hard the entire AB. how about the manager call off the bunt there?

Alabama Red
08-12-2020, 10:46 PM
the "we would make the playoffs if the season ended right now" sure sounds good. except we don't play the royals and tigers for the rest of the season. we will play a lot of good teams.

very disappointing to only be 4-4 against the royals and tigers combined, teams that are projected to be bottom of the barrel in MLB this year.
This would be like being in a playoff spot 50+ games into a regular season. That’s better than we have been for 5-6 years so I’ll take it. We are going to have to beat some good teams that keep it though
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it definitely was.

Coopdaddy67
08-12-2020, 10:52 PM
Strongly disagree with this. The new extra inning rule makes it hard to know who will win, it's easier for both teams to score, and not just once. No team should try to play to getting to extra innings. Every team should try to win it before it gets to extra innings.

It gives the home team a substantial advantage if they can keep them scoreless in the 10th and in every subsequent inning.

Also, the way Iglesias has pitched recently has me pretty confident (for this bullpen, anyway) he would be capable of preventing that run from crossing via the K.

WVRedsFan
08-12-2020, 10:55 PM
Bell is clueless. "We really liked out chances" on the Tucker bunt. No one else did, Dave.

Ironman92
08-12-2020, 10:57 PM
the "we would make the playoffs if the season ended right now" sure sounds good. except we don't play the royals and tigers for the rest of the season. we will play a lot of good teams.

very disappointing to only be 4-4 against the royals and tigers combined, teams that are projected to be bottom of the barrel in MLB this year.

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it definitely was.

Right now the Tigers are the #5 seed in the AL

Kc61
08-12-2020, 11:00 PM
the "we would make the playoffs if the season ended right now" sure sounds good. except we don't play the royals and tigers for the rest of the season. we will play a lot of good teams.

very disappointing to only be 4-4 against the royals and tigers combined, teams that are projected to be bottom of the barrel in MLB this year.

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it definitely was.

Bell avoided a DP with Barnhart, a DP candidate who isn’t hitting. By avoiding that DP, Bell enabled the Reds to get to bases loaded one out.

Colon was put in good position to tie or win the game. Colon just didn’t come through.

One can debate if Colon or PH Davidson should have hit there. But Bell put them in a position to win the game. The players have to execute in that kind of spot.

BluegrassRedleg
08-12-2020, 11:02 PM
Listen to this guy stammer through his press conference. ďIf we keep doing that, good things will happen.Ē LMAO/sigh

Theyíd have at least 3 more wins this season if an actor who played the role in a baseball movie was managing. Or a circus monkey. Or Thom.


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dsterry
08-12-2020, 11:03 PM
Bell avoided a DP with Barnhart, a likely candidate. He got the Reds to bases loaded one out.

Colon was put in good position to tie or win the game. That’s the role of the manager. Colon just didn’t come through.

One can debate if Colon or Davidson should have hit there. But Bell put them in a position to win the game. The players have to execute.

Bell didn't do ****. He gave up an out in the 9th and Rosenthal did the rest by walking everyone. Then his managing had Colon batting in the 3-hole in the bottom of the 9th.

757690
08-12-2020, 11:06 PM
Bell avoided a DP with Barnhart, a likely candidate. He got the Reds to bases loaded one out.

Colon was put in good position to tie or win the game. That’s the role of the manager. Colon just didn’t come through.

One can debate if Colon or Davidson should have hit there. But Bell put them in a position to win the game. The players have to execute.

Rosenthal had just walked the leadoff hitter. If you're going to bunt, give him a chance to walk Barnhart first, let Barnhart take first and see what happens. Also, as has been pointed out, once Barnhart showed the bunt, the Royals infield was ready for it. Tucker put down a decent bunt, but the 3B was a few feet away from him. Putting down a bunt in that situation was nearly impossible.

Kc61
08-12-2020, 11:08 PM
Bell didn't do ****. He gave up an out in the 9th and Rosenthal did the rest by walking everyone. Then his managing had Colon batting in the 3-hole in the bottom of the 9th.

The manager never plays the game. But the team was put in a position to win or tie. It would take only a fly ball to tie. The player didn’t execute.

757690
08-12-2020, 11:09 PM
It gives the home team a substantial advantage if they can keep them scoreless in the 10th and in every subsequent inning.

Also, the way Iglesias has pitched recently has me pretty confident (for this bullpen, anyway) he would be capable of preventing that run from crossing via the K.

That's a big if.

I could be wrong, is there data from the minor leagues that have been doing this rule that says who has the advantage?

Anyway, I always hate for a baseball team to play for a tie, no matter the situation. Baseball is the one sport where the clock isn't an issue and you can score as many runs as you want in your AB half inning.

JFLegal
08-12-2020, 11:10 PM
my gosh, bell's press conference is a disaster. someone needs to inject some energy into this man.

Kc61
08-12-2020, 11:12 PM
Rosenthal had just walked the leadoff hitter. If you're going to bunt, give him a chance to walk Barnhart first, let Barnhart take first and see what happens. Also, as has been pointed out, once Barnhart showed the bunt, the Royals infield was ready for it. Tucker put down a decent bunt, but the 3B was a few feet away from him. Putting down a bunt in that situation was nearly impossible.

Letting Barnhart take pitches and fall behind in the count is no answer. If you decide to bunt, you bunt.

And it’s a big field out there, nobody forced Tucker to bunt right to the fielder. He’s supposedly a good bunter.

REDREAD
08-12-2020, 11:13 PM
Right now the Tigers are the #5 seed in the AL

But 3 of the Tigers' 9 wins have come against the Reds. That makes their 9-7 start seem better than it is.

757690
08-12-2020, 11:19 PM
Letting Barnhart take pitches and fall behind in the count is no answer. If you decide to bunt, you bunt.

And it’s a big field out there, nobody forced Tucker to bunt right to the fielder. He’s supposedly a good bunter.

The count is irrelevant when you are bunting.

There is very little space for Tucker to bunt it when the other team knows he is bunting. Once the other team knew he was bunting, the odds of getting a good bunt down decrease significantly.

BluegrassRedleg
08-12-2020, 11:49 PM
The manager never plays the game. But the team was put in a position to win or tie. It would take only a fly ball to tie. The player didn’t execute.

While your point regarding execution is technically accurate, if you have a team that keeps showing it can't do the little things to execute your micro-management, THEN STOP DOING IT.

Coopdaddy67
08-12-2020, 11:57 PM
While your point regarding execution is technically accurate, if you have a team that keeps showing it can't do the little things to execute your micro-management, THEN STOP DOING IT.

The Reds struggle to get timely, consecutive hits. They live and die by the home run.

For that reason, hoping to manufacture a tying run with a sac fly or groundout isn't exactly a bad idea.

Not ideal to have 3 hitters get frozen by curve balls for strike 3 in the same inning.

RedlegsFanatic
08-13-2020, 12:03 AM
Bases loaded, 1 out, down by 1, bottom of the 9th. Because of the way he operates the lineup, the best Bell has to bring to the plate vs Trevor Rosenthal is Christian Colon.
They deserve to lose.
Either get rid of David freakin Bell or Iím done with the 2020 Reds. What a joke.


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RedlegsFanatic
08-13-2020, 12:04 AM
I would have bunted Colon or died.


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JaxRed
08-13-2020, 01:58 AM
I thought the goofy move was pinch running Lorenzen for Van Meter. Especially when youíre going to bunt anyhow. You burned up a player for no apparent gain. At least to me.

If you were going to pinch run Lorenzen, then you pinch run him for Votto. That leaves Jankowski available as an option later. Might have come in handy as a lefty, speedy pinch hitter for Colon. Hard io double him. And don't pinch run for a fairly speedy VanMeter if you plan on bunting. (pretty much don't do it at all)

mth123
08-13-2020, 06:15 AM
yes colon is a better hitter than stephenson or aquino undoubtedly bell is a genius,,

dont forget cody reed a prospect for almost ten years I d rather see JohnLamb pitch or even Roger Nelson








I'm not usually a fan of all the posts of random long lost players in these threads, but putting, Reed, Lamb and Nelson, all acquired from KC in a post in a game thread against KC was nice. Not sure if it was intentional or not but I noticed it.

mth123
08-13-2020, 06:44 AM
I'm on record of not liking Bell's moves to use these role playing minor leaguers so much and making the actual big league team unavailable for the rest of the game, but this game is more on the players than Bell.

- Pinch Running for Votto in the 8th inning. He was unlikely to come up again. Turns out he did, but that wasn't the same as PR for Winker in the 6th when he was sure to come up again. This wasn't a horrible move in spite of how the game ended.

- Bunting Barnhart wasn't a terrible idea either. I hate the bunt, but it is defensible in some situations. Those situations usually involve taking the bat out of a hitters hands who is likely to make and out anyway, and that is definitely Barnhart now, and trying to avoid the DP. That was the clear intent. Barnhart failed.

- PR Lorenzen for VanMeter. This seemed unnecessary. It removed VanMeter from the game and left the team with no one to play with Colon due up soon. I'd have probably PH for Colon anyhow and used Senzel in the IF and left Lorenzen in the game to play CF, but this wasn't as bad as other moves in other games.

On the player side there are a lot more issues:

- Miley was clearly rusty and not very good in his short time out there.
- Mahle with a poor outing allowing 3 runs in 3 and a third.
- The staff in general kept allowing the Royals to add on runs and walked 8 guys to help them do it.
- Senzel with a huge fail striking out with a runner on 3B and one out. He's not hitting much in general and his OPS in below .700 Peraza territory now.
- Suarez with another o-fer and killing rallies daily.
- Castellanos didn't hit today and he's been carrying them
- Barnhart's bunt was the scariest thing I ever saw since I went to the first "Jaws" movie. Of course, later I looked at his OPS and that's even scarier.

Good games from Winker, Shogo, Galvis, Garrett and Jones today. VanMeter's HR was a nice surprise, but I'd still banish him to Prasco when Moose is back. I'd also send Colon and Jankowski down. I don't even care if they replace them. I'd probably add Aquino though.

DocRed
08-13-2020, 12:18 PM
Lack of clutch hitting yet again