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Ron Madden
08-13-2020, 10:04 AM
First Pitch 5:10 PM

Reds
1. Shogo Akiyama (L) LF
2. Nick Castellanos (R) RF
3. Joey Votto (L) 1B
4. Eugenio Suarez (R) 3B
5. Jesse Winker (L) DH
6. Nick Senzel (R) CF
7. Josh VanMeter (L) 2B
8. Freddy Galvis (S) SS
9. Tucker Barnhart (L) C

SP Anthony DeSclafani (R)

Pirates
1. Adam Frazier (L) 2B
2. Kevin Newman (R) SS
3. Josh Bell (S) DH
4. Colin Moran (L) 1B
5. Bryan Reynolds (S) LF
6. Gregory Polanco (L) RF
7. Erik Gonzalez (R) 3B
8. Jarrod Dyson (L) CF
9. Jacob Stallings (R) C

SP Trevor Williams (R)

DocRed
08-13-2020, 12:22 PM
Pirates OPS+ is 67....which means they will rake tonight

ochoa30
08-13-2020, 12:29 PM
Looking forward to some guys getting going this series. Looking at Saurez and Senzel mostly, the Reds need these guys to be way better if they are going to be any good this year or in the future.

PuffyPig
08-13-2020, 02:24 PM
Pirates OPS+ is 67....which means they will rake tonight

And that is based on them raking lefties, so they are even worse against righties.


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Ron Madden
08-13-2020, 02:45 PM
C. トレント・ローズクランズ
@ctrent
#Reds Josh VanMeter said Matt Bowman has nicknames for everyone at Prasco Park and uses them in the at-bat intros. His nickname? "Sweatpants." He thinks it's because his baseball pants are too loose

Replying to
@ctrent
I thought he was meat sauce

that's his nickname for himself


Replying to
@ctrent
We need a list of these nicknames. It’s what the people want.

Ditto. I also want to see the nickname jerseys with them.

Ron Madden
08-13-2020, 03:02 PM
Bobby Nightengale
@nightengalejr
David Bell said Mike Moustakas will do some on-field drills during BP today. If things continue to progress well, he could return as early as Sunday, the first day he's eligible to be activated from the 10-day IL. #Reds

Edd Roush
08-13-2020, 03:05 PM
Pirates OPS+ is 67....which means they will rake tonight

And their best hitter, some dude named Phillip Evans who was in the Cubs organization last year, is on the 60-day DL.

Gotta start winning games. Let's hope Bell learned a hard lesson about constant tinkering last night. Rest your studs, but don't take them out when the game is close.

Ron Madden
08-13-2020, 03:43 PM
Why did the #reds pinch run for Votto? Why did Bell have Barnhart bunt? What was up with Miley? Here are some answers from Bell

https://www.mlb.com/amp/news/wade-miley-struggles-in-second-start-with-reds.html?__twitter_impression=true

Coopdaddy67
08-13-2020, 04:08 PM
Any particular reason tonight's game is at 5:10?

TheBigLebowski
08-13-2020, 04:38 PM
T-Bone has to be nails tonight. Reds have to take at least 3 of 4. The pirates are terrible, and the schedule only gets harder from here. Completely whiffed on the opportunity to beat up on the Tigers & Royals.

forfreelin04
08-13-2020, 04:43 PM
Why did the #reds pinch run for Votto? Why did Bell have Barnhart bunt? What was up with Miley? Here are some answers from Bell

https://www.mlb.com/amp/news/wade-miley-struggles-in-second-start-with-reds.html?__twitter_impression=true

First off, I always look forward to you posting the lineups Ron. One of the best parts of the day. Thank you :thumbup:

Secondly, I read the article. My takeaway is the Reds need a manager who manages for a win rather than a tie. :cool:

Ron Madden
08-13-2020, 04:48 PM
First off, I always look forward to you posting the lineups Ron. One of the best parts of the day. Thank you :thumbup:

Secondly, I read the article. My takeaway is the Reds need a manager who manages for a win rather than a tie. :cool:

You're Welcome!

EnglishRed
08-13-2020, 04:59 PM
The pinch run for Votto seemed so unnecessary at the time. The potential of Jankowski stealing a base or outrunning the throw seemed too remote to me to take Votto out of an almost certain AB. I only caught the last three innings so i assumed Votto was carrying an injury that would have stopped him running.

Umkubas
08-13-2020, 05:00 PM
Looking forward to some guys getting going this series. Looking at Saurez and Senzel mostly, the Reds need these guys to be way better if they are going to be any good this year or in the future.

$9,535,714

Reds
08-13-2020, 05:03 PM
Time to take this series. Anything short of 3-1 will be disappointing.

JFLegal
08-13-2020, 05:04 PM
listen, thom is not saying the word "chicks." just not happening on his watch.

JFLegal
08-13-2020, 05:07 PM
wow, 23.1% of the reds hits this season are home runs, which leads all of MLB.

all or nothing offense. let's hope it's all tonight.

DocRed
08-13-2020, 05:13 PM
Well that was a meat pitch

Tom Servo
08-13-2020, 05:13 PM
Inauspicious start

Kc61
08-13-2020, 05:13 PM
wow, 23.1% of the reds hits this season are home runs, which leads all of MLB.

all or nothing offense. let's hope it's all tonight.

Pirates add a homer early. 1-0.

Jomama
08-13-2020, 05:14 PM
And their best hitter, some dude named Phillip Evans who was in the Cubs organization last year, is on the 60-day DL.

Gotta start winning games. Let's hope Bell learned a hard lesson about constant tinkering last night. Rest your studs, but don't take them out when the game is close.

Why would Bell suddenly learn now?

Kc61
08-13-2020, 05:15 PM
wow, 23.1% of the reds hits this season are home runs, which leads all of MLB.

all or nothing offense. let's hope it's all tonight.

This is an important stat. Would note though that Reds have drawn the most walks in the NL, 80.

DocRed
08-13-2020, 05:19 PM
Hmmm....did the Pirates Analytics/scouting pickup something about T-Bone?

Tom Servo
08-13-2020, 05:19 PM
I just knew Moran was gonna homer

Red Raindog
08-13-2020, 05:20 PM
I guess Disco thought 5:10 meant time to throw BP


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Kc61
08-13-2020, 05:20 PM
C’mon Bell. Two homers.

JaxRed
08-13-2020, 05:21 PM
Hope the ball carries for us too...

JFLegal
08-13-2020, 05:22 PM
we got this. let's go!

DocRed
08-13-2020, 05:24 PM
Why did Akiyama slow down?

RedTeamGo!
08-13-2020, 05:25 PM
Feels bad, man.

JFLegal
08-13-2020, 05:26 PM
even against a tough schedule, starting 8-10 in a 60-game season puts you behind the 8-ball.

against bad teams? oh boy. and better get this game turned around or it's 8-11, mostly against very bad teams.

podgejeff_
08-13-2020, 05:26 PM
Votto made that "oh come on" face immediately after that stayed fair.

DocRed
08-13-2020, 05:28 PM
OK WTF??

- - - Updated - - -

Now that was a bad pitch

Reds
08-13-2020, 05:29 PM
Um ok

JaxRed
08-13-2020, 05:29 PM
Holy cow

Stray
08-13-2020, 05:29 PM
lmao Thom talking about how awful this guy is as he hits a homerun on us

DocRed
08-13-2020, 05:30 PM
WTH Disco? He's throwing batting practice out there!!

50YrRedsFan
08-13-2020, 05:30 PM
DeSclafani's bubble was burst quickly.

Reds
08-13-2020, 05:30 PM
Everything hit hard. Strange

Tom Servo
08-13-2020, 05:30 PM
This is embarrassing

Patrick Bateman
08-13-2020, 05:30 PM
Good teams donít give up homeruns to Pirates players.

Desclafani needs to be DFAíd immoderately, and publicly shamed before he throws another pitch in a reds uniform.

I might take it a step further and take him to court for the punitive damages caused to the emotions to the fans and rest of the players on the field.


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RedTeamGo!
08-13-2020, 05:31 PM
It’s funny, this same thing happened to the pirates a few days ago against the Tigers. Holland gave up 4 home runs in first 5 batters or something. They ended up keeping him in for 5-6 innings. I was listening to the Effectively Wild Podcast and they were talking about how they had a discussion about it a few years prior “how many home runs is the maximum a manager will allow a starter to give up before taking him out.”

Maybe we are about to find out.

DocRed
08-13-2020, 05:31 PM
Another 95 MPB fastball top of the strike zone!!!

Hillsdale87
08-13-2020, 05:31 PM
Are the Pirates banging trash cans in the dugout?


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TheBigLebowski
08-13-2020, 05:31 PM
Yeah, we’re toast. This team is awful.

RedTeamGo!
08-13-2020, 05:31 PM
It would have actually been funny if Dyson went deep

Reds
08-13-2020, 05:32 PM
What a bad start

DocRed
08-13-2020, 05:32 PM
And yet no visits to the mound..

Tom Servo
08-13-2020, 05:32 PM
Obviously a few of these guys were bound to improve on their miserable lines but three, nearly four, HRs the first time around the batting order? God, man.

Red Raindog
08-13-2020, 05:32 PM
Who is the long man today?


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podgejeff_
08-13-2020, 05:33 PM
Is he hurt? I mean come on.

RedTeamGo!
08-13-2020, 05:33 PM
How long we going to ignore the terrible batting averages on the team outside of Winker and Cast?

EnglishRed
08-13-2020, 05:33 PM
Jesus Christ....

DocRed
08-13-2020, 05:33 PM
Disco definitely shaken....gonna be bases loaded soon and game over.

BCubb2003
08-13-2020, 05:33 PM
At least he’s not walking anyone.

Kc61
08-13-2020, 05:34 PM
Reds are going to have to score some runs tonight.

Umkubas
08-13-2020, 05:34 PM
Ouch

Tony Cloninger
08-13-2020, 05:34 PM
$9,535,714

Are you hung up on his money? Baseball players make a lot of money even when they are slumping or coming off an injury and not really able to work out and practice.

50YrRedsFan
08-13-2020, 05:34 PM
The Reds lineup has 2 players hitting above .239. What an embarassment, especially playing in GABP.

Reds
08-13-2020, 05:35 PM
Man. This is the kind of a start that can linger for a starting pitcher for weeks.

DocRed
08-13-2020, 05:35 PM
Grand salami coming up

TheBigLebowski
08-13-2020, 05:35 PM
Unbelievable

SomeCallMeTim
08-13-2020, 05:35 PM
Reds are going to have to score some runs tonight.

By that time the game will be over. :-)

Red Raindog
08-13-2020, 05:36 PM
Davidson warming up yet?


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EnglishRed
08-13-2020, 05:36 PM
The Reds lineup has 2 players hitting above .239. What an embarassment, especially playing in GABP.

Amazing when you look at our batting lineup on paper..

Reds
08-13-2020, 05:36 PM
Not much left to say.

NCReds
08-13-2020, 05:36 PM
Get him out now.

DocRed
08-13-2020, 05:37 PM
Disco is mentally checked out now.

Brutus23
08-13-2020, 05:37 PM
Well at least its Shark Week. This game is over

TheBigLebowski
08-13-2020, 05:37 PM
Maybe the season can still be canceled.

Tom Servo
08-13-2020, 05:37 PM
I don't see how you can let him face Moran again

EnglishRed
08-13-2020, 05:37 PM
please make it stop....

50YrRedsFan
08-13-2020, 05:38 PM
I believe this one is over....and the Reds still have 8 offensive innings left.

JaxRed
08-13-2020, 05:38 PM
Bell used both of our long men yesterday. Antone shouldn't have pitched. But at this point, time to give some struggling guys some work. Reed, Lorenzen etc.

EnglishRed
08-13-2020, 05:38 PM
16391

Edskin
08-13-2020, 05:38 PM
The good news is that we are all searching for normalcy these days. When I watch the 2020 Reds, I find it.

BCubb2003
08-13-2020, 05:38 PM
I wonder if it’s a pitch-tipping situation.

Umkubas
08-13-2020, 05:39 PM
$5,900,000

Reds
08-13-2020, 05:39 PM
Wow. 7-0. Pirates did hang 13 on Detroit but man this game got away from us fast.

podgejeff_
08-13-2020, 05:39 PM
I wonder if it’s a pitch-tipping situation.

Something has to be happening here.

This isn't normal.

RedTeamGo!
08-13-2020, 05:39 PM
Reds win 11-9. Remember this post.

TheBigLebowski
08-13-2020, 05:40 PM
Get Davidson up. He’s our only hope.

Tom Servo
08-13-2020, 05:40 PM
Guess he's gotta take one for the team...

paulishuku
08-13-2020, 05:40 PM
I wonder if itís a pitch-tipping situation.


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RedTeamGo!
08-13-2020, 05:40 PM
$5,900,000

Who cares? Is it your money?

DocRed
08-13-2020, 05:40 PM
Pretty soon we can bring in Davidson

757690
08-13-2020, 05:40 PM
Some of the cardboard cut out fans have started to leave the stadium.

davereds24
08-13-2020, 05:40 PM
Lol, Bell just conceding a game in a 60gm season with expanded rosters.

Jomama
08-13-2020, 05:40 PM
At least heís not walking anyone.

When you're throwing meatballs everyone is swinging.

Tony Cloninger
08-13-2020, 05:41 PM
The Reds lineup has 2 players hitting above .239. What an embarassment, especially playing in GABP.

It would only be in Coors Field not here. This park actually is only good for homers. And then you have these hitters trying for them and they become even worse hitters.

Jomama
08-13-2020, 05:41 PM
Reds are going to have to score some runs tonight.

Quite possibly the understatement of the century.

SomeCallMeTim
08-13-2020, 05:41 PM
Should have implemented the 10 rule this year also...

TheBigLebowski
08-13-2020, 05:41 PM
Lol, Bell just conceding a game in a 60gm season with expanded rosters.

Ole boy is still going to get his money’s worth of moves.

Reds
08-13-2020, 05:42 PM
Need to pull him. It's like when a goalie gives up 5 goals, at some point you have to protect the player mentally.

Red Raindog
08-13-2020, 05:42 PM
Now he walks someone

Embarrassing outing


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DocRed
08-13-2020, 05:42 PM
Man Disco ERA could go from 0 to 10 today.

Coopdaddy67
08-13-2020, 05:43 PM
Lol, Bell just conceding a game in a 60gm season with expanded rosters.

As they talked about, not having Mahle and Antone kills you here.

Kc61
08-13-2020, 05:43 PM
Cody Reed warming up.

Hope he’s ready for a long evening.

Can’t use up your whole pen. Starter gave them 1.2 innings last night.

Ron Madden
08-13-2020, 05:43 PM
My Mama told me there'd be days like this.

DocRed
08-13-2020, 05:44 PM
That was one of the worst outings I have seen in some time.

Jomama
08-13-2020, 05:44 PM
Even the grounds crew is booing.

Tom Servo
08-13-2020, 05:44 PM
nice work Disco

Red Raindog
08-13-2020, 05:44 PM
I hear cardboard boos.


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Reds
08-13-2020, 05:45 PM
This is the the worst start I can remember for a reds pitcher.

reds77
08-13-2020, 05:45 PM
Well, gg boys. Guess I'll go cut my grass.

Kc61
08-13-2020, 05:46 PM
Disco is still in there. 9-0.

Tom Servo
08-13-2020, 05:46 PM
This is the the worst start I can remember for a reds pitcher.
It honestly is.

TheBigLebowski
08-13-2020, 05:47 PM
This has to cost him his rotation spot. Put him in the pen and let Tejay have his slot.

Jomama
08-13-2020, 05:48 PM
Bell's going to have to pull him pretty soon because he is nearing 100 pitches.

DocRed
08-13-2020, 05:48 PM
Ohtani feeling better now..

RedTeamGo!
08-13-2020, 05:48 PM
This has to cost him his rotation spot. Put him in the pen and let Tejay have his slot.

Narrator: it did not.

davereds24
08-13-2020, 05:48 PM
Arroyo had a couple like this didnt he?

Reds
08-13-2020, 05:48 PM
I just stood staring into the distance on my porch when that half inning ended lol

Red Raindog
08-13-2020, 05:48 PM
Reds win 11-9. Remember this post.

Well they got their 9 quickly


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Coopdaddy67
08-13-2020, 05:48 PM
This is the the worst start I can remember for a reds pitcher.

Jeff Austin gave up 5 runs without recording an out.

Five days he improved to giving up 5 runs and recording 2 outs.

Wonderful Monds
08-13-2020, 05:48 PM
Didn’t Paul Wilson once give up 10 without getting an out to the Dodgers?

mth123
08-13-2020, 05:48 PM
Cody Reed warming up.

Hope he’s ready for a long evening.

Can’t use up your whole pen. Starter gave them 1.2 innings last night.

At least today he can e used in his proper role. Eat a bunch of innings in a game already out of hand. Then tomorrow he can be DFAd in favor of a fresh arm.

Tom Servo
08-13-2020, 05:48 PM
Narrator: it did not.
Nor should it, I don't listening to the guy who's solution to every single issue is to cut/demote someone is the best way to go.

Wonderful Monds
08-13-2020, 05:49 PM
Either way, holy christ this team sucks.

DocRed
08-13-2020, 05:50 PM
Pirates 98.2% chance of winning according to BB Savant....surprised its int higher

Kc61
08-13-2020, 05:50 PM
Either way, holy christ this team sucks.

-19 pythag as of the moment.

SomeCallMeTim
08-13-2020, 05:50 PM
Arroyo had a couple like this didnt he?

I seem to remember him giving up a 6 spot in the 1st against the Blue Jays...but I could be wrong.

Wonderful Monds
08-13-2020, 05:51 PM
-19 pythag as of the moment.

Is that bad

mth123
08-13-2020, 05:51 PM
This has to cost him his rotation spot. Put him in the pen and let Tejay have his slot.

I don't think so. He's a generally good pitcher who is having a bad day. It happens. He's been frequently injured though and that should be the concern here.

Tom Servo
08-13-2020, 05:51 PM
Didnít Paul Wilson once give up 10 without getting an out to the Dodgers?
8 runs and no outs so yeah that one still wins lol

RedlegsFanatic
08-13-2020, 05:51 PM
Sure didnít take long to get tired of watching this 2020 dumpster fire lol

50YrRedsFan
08-13-2020, 05:51 PM
I would be very surprised if the Reds mount a comeback. A 9-0 deficit in the 2nd inning is pretty demoralizing. But stranger thing have happened.

Coopdaddy67
08-13-2020, 05:51 PM
Didnít Paul Wilson once give up 10 without getting an out to the Dodgers?

May 6, 2005.

8 runs, no outs.

757690
08-13-2020, 05:52 PM
Didnít Paul Wilson once give up 10 without getting an out to the Dodgers?

Good memory. Close. It was 8 runs for Wilson, but the Dodgers scored 10 runs in that first inning.

https://www.baseball-reference.com/boxes/CIN/CIN200505060.shtml

Patrick Bateman
08-13-2020, 05:52 PM
This has to cost him his rotation spot. Put him in the pen and let Tejay have his slot.

Dude for real?

Like yes, this was fantastically awful by Disco. Literally the worst start I can remember.

But you realize his last 105 starts as a Red overall have been above average.

Like your a smart guy. But your takes lately come across as some of the least educated and interesting I have ever read in my life. Like youíve been on this board forever. You know the ups and downs of baseball.

Yet you still say stuff like this. Itís embarrassing and it seriously comical for anyone here who has any clue whatís going on.


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RedTeamGo!
08-13-2020, 05:52 PM
Nor should it, I don't listening to the guy who's solution to every single issue is to cut/demote someone is the best way to go.

I agree

podgejeff_
08-13-2020, 05:52 PM
In this kind of game, we're going to hear some insanity from Thom, guaranteed.

RedTeamGo!
08-13-2020, 05:53 PM
Either way, holy christ this team sucks.

Yeah, itís reallllllllll bad

Dick Williams totally not at fault for any of this, though.

BCubb2003
08-13-2020, 05:53 PM
I would be very surprised if the Reds mount a comeback. A 9-0 deficit in the 2nd inning is pretty demoralizing. But stranger thing have happened.

Just don’t have Barnhart bunt.

Tom Servo
08-13-2020, 05:53 PM
I would be very surprised if the Reds mount a comeback. A 9-0 deficit in the 2nd inning is pretty demoralizing. But stranger thing have happened.
It's possible if they had a squad that could take advantage of the stadium like our opponents do, but alas...

Kc61
08-13-2020, 05:53 PM
Pirates must think they are dreaming.

Ron Madden
08-13-2020, 05:54 PM
No need to let it drive us crazy.
There's not a thing we can do about it.
Sit back and let it unfold.

Wonderful Monds
08-13-2020, 05:54 PM
Arroyo had a couple like this didnt he?

I feel like the Blue Jays really roughed him up hardcore a couple times as a Red

Kc61
08-13-2020, 05:56 PM
Even if futile I’d like to see Reds score a bunch of runs.

Disappointing offense so far this season.

Red Raindog
08-13-2020, 05:56 PM
Iíve got a cat sleeping next to me which has me thinking sheís the smartest one in the room.


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Tom Servo
08-13-2020, 05:56 PM
I feel like the Blue Jays really roughed him up hardcore a couple times as a Red
Yeah I remember they demolished him in 2008.

It was 10 runs in 1 inning, yikes.

https://www.baseball-reference.com/boxes/TOR/TOR200806240.shtml

Umkubas
08-13-2020, 05:57 PM
As comparison, Mike Leake allowed 6 runs in the first inning, September 4, 2014 but came away with a no decision.......Parra took the loss in a 7-9 game.

Leake was awarded a $5,925,000 salary in 2014.

Go SUNDEVIL Baseball

*BaseClogger*
08-13-2020, 05:57 PM
Even if futile Iíd like to see Reds score a bunch of runs.

Disappointing offense so far this season.

My thoughts too. I wanna see these guys put together some decent ABs and score some runs on this mediocre Pirates pitching staff. It's still an opportunity for the offense to build some momentum...

EnglishRed
08-13-2020, 05:58 PM
Comeback is on!!!!

Tom Servo
08-13-2020, 05:59 PM
Comeback is happening, let's just do it and be legends.

TheBigLebowski
08-13-2020, 06:00 PM
I don't think so. He's a generally good pitcher who is having a bad day. It happens. He's been frequently injured though and that should be the concern here.

If heís healthy, the mental aspect of this is my real concern. He canít have any confidence left.

NCReds
08-13-2020, 06:00 PM
So far some good calls coming from behind the plate tonight

Wonderful Monds
08-13-2020, 06:01 PM
Yeah I remember they demolished him in 2008.

It was 10 runs in 1 inning, yikes.

https://www.baseball-reference.com/boxes/TOR/TOR200806240.shtml

Yeah and then they hung five on him before he got an out the very next season

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/206304-deja-vu-all-over-again-for-arroyo

I seem to recall another pretty bad one in like 2011 too?

podgejeff_
08-13-2020, 06:01 PM
If he’s healthy, the mental aspect of this is my real concern. He can’t have any confidence left.

For all we know he didn't get any sleep last night. Or he's got a massive headache or something. Who knows.

Bad outings happen. Under normal bullpen circumstances he would have been pulled.

Tom Servo
08-13-2020, 06:01 PM
As comparison, Mike Leake allowed 6 runs in the first inning, September 4, 2014 but came away with a no decision.......Parra took the loss in a 7-9 game.

Leake was awarded a $5,925,000 salary in 2014.

Go SUNDEVIL Baseball
Bro I straight up do not care.

EnglishRed
08-13-2020, 06:02 PM
Unlucky JVM..When it's not going for you it's not going for you...

Umkubas
08-13-2020, 06:02 PM
16392
Iíve got a cat sleeping next to me which has me thinking sheís the smartest one in the room.


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NCReds
08-13-2020, 06:03 PM
He looked safe at second

SomeCallMeTim
08-13-2020, 06:03 PM
Yeah I remember they demolished him in 2008.

It was 10 runs in 1 inning, yikes.

https://www.baseball-reference.com/boxes/TOR/TOR200806240.shtml

That long ago? Wow. Thanks for the research.

Stray
08-13-2020, 06:03 PM
Winker was jogging at the end and it looks like they got the tag out at 2nd before he touched the plate

Coopdaddy67
08-13-2020, 06:04 PM
That's unfortunate. He didn't score.

Tom Servo
08-13-2020, 06:04 PM
Yeah and then they hung five on him before he got an out the very next season

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/206304-deja-vu-all-over-again-for-arroyo

I seem to recall another pretty bad one in like 2011 too?
Looking through game logs from 08-13, he seems to have averaged like two or three 8-9 run stinkers a season lol.

JaxRed
08-13-2020, 06:04 PM
Too close. I don't think it will count. If he kept running he had it

*BaseClogger*
08-13-2020, 06:04 PM
Winker was jogging at the end and it looks like they got the tag out at 2nd before he touched the plate

He scores if he doesn't slow up. Bell deserves more criticism for this than anything else IMO...

Red Raindog
08-13-2020, 06:06 PM
Not sure what the challenge is but if itís not the call at 2nd base then I think Bell just blew it.


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Kc61
08-13-2020, 06:06 PM
That's unfortunate. He didn't score.

Unfortunate is kind.

I hope they look at the play at second. Senzel made it close.

Jomama
08-13-2020, 06:06 PM
The lack of fundamentals continue to haunt this team.

Reds
08-13-2020, 06:06 PM
9-1. No score on the play.

davereds24
08-13-2020, 06:06 PM
That deserves a benching

Ironman92
08-13-2020, 06:06 PM
Nice

Jomama
08-13-2020, 06:07 PM
Winker should be benched for the remainder of the game yet Bell will do nothing.

mhs95_06
08-13-2020, 06:07 PM
Winker once again argues a proper call.

Coopdaddy67
08-13-2020, 06:07 PM
I'd pull Winker just to send a message to the clubhouse.

EnglishRed
08-13-2020, 06:08 PM
When you arrange your evening to be able to watch the Reds begin the sweep against the Pirates and kickstart the season, and it's now 11pm and the hotel bar is closing so I can't even drown my sorrows...

16393

Patrick Bateman
08-13-2020, 06:08 PM
How dare they ever remove a Winker for a pinch runner!!!


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JaxRed
08-13-2020, 06:08 PM
For the record.... I would not be pulling Winker

757690
08-13-2020, 06:08 PM
Senzel should have stopped and forced a run down. Then the run would have scored.

Kc61
08-13-2020, 06:09 PM
I'd pull Winker just to send a message to the clubhouse.

Absolutely. All things considered, that was horrendous.

JaxRed
08-13-2020, 06:10 PM
Reed doesn't seem to finish his pitches. To drive to the plate....

Kc61
08-13-2020, 06:10 PM
Senzel should have stopped and forced a run down. Then the run would have scored.

If he knew the outcome, yes, but he was heading for second trying to be safe.

JaxRed
08-13-2020, 06:11 PM
Reed ERA now in single digits.....

Coopdaddy67
08-13-2020, 06:11 PM
Senzel should have stopped and forced a run down. Then the run would have scored.

I'm not sure Senzel had any idea that the 1B touched first and he was nearly safe.

That's on Winker and Winker alone.

Jomama
08-13-2020, 06:11 PM
That's unfortunate. He didn't score.

It's not unfortunate...it's bad, undisciplined baseball.

Rolando
08-13-2020, 06:12 PM
If he knew the outcome, yes, but he was heading for second trying to be safe.

It still was horrible baserunning why would you slide right into the tag?

Ironman92
08-13-2020, 06:12 PM
Canít watch...what did Winker do?

Wonderful Monds
08-13-2020, 06:12 PM
Looking through game logs from 08-13, he seems to have averaged like two or three 8-9 run stinkers a season lol.

I definitely remember RZ being familiar with the routine after the first Toronto bashing went down

Umkubas
08-13-2020, 06:12 PM
When you arrange your evening to be able to watch the Reds begin the sweep against the Pirates and kickstart the season, and it's now 11pm and the hotel bar is closing so I can't even drown my sorrows...

16393

podgejeff_
08-13-2020, 06:12 PM
Can’t watch...what did Winker do?

A double play with a force at first and then a tag at second, Winker didn't run hard through the bag to make the run count.

Kc61
08-13-2020, 06:13 PM
It still was horrible baserunning why would you slide right into the tag?

He slid to the bag. That’s where the base was. He was close to being safe.

podgejeff_
08-13-2020, 06:14 PM
I'd like to point out that this nonsense occurred after people started calling Disco "T-Bone".

Jomama
08-13-2020, 06:14 PM
A double play with a force at first and then a tag at second, Winker didn't run hard through the bag to make the run count.

He jogged the last 4 or 5 steps.

Coopdaddy67
08-13-2020, 06:14 PM
It's not unfortunate...it's bad, undisciplined baseball.

I hadn't seen the replay yet. I assumed Winker just didn't get there in time because he's slow. I didn't know he coasted home.

Rolando
08-13-2020, 06:15 PM
Canít watch...what did Winker do?
Nothing it was totally send senzel fault

Kc61
08-13-2020, 06:15 PM
That’s why Tucker was made to bunt last night.

RedForLife
08-13-2020, 06:15 PM
Wow. I get home from work, get settled and turn on the Reds thinking we'll be having our way with the Pirates. So wrong was I. Getting destroyed by the worst team in MLB. And Mr. Lollygag should be on the bench.

EnglishRed
08-13-2020, 06:18 PM
[QUOTE=Umkubas;[/QUOTE]

nowhere near strong enough for tonight!

Kc61
08-13-2020, 06:18 PM
Reds now with three hits.

Approaching the quota.

mth123
08-13-2020, 06:18 PM
Let's hear it for a perfect inning from Cody Reed. Definitely at his best when the pressure is off.

Larry Schuler
08-13-2020, 06:19 PM
The Reds have been losing games where their starting pitching has been near flawless which is concerning BUT, if they counter this by winning games when the starting pitching is atrocious, we might have a path to the playoffs.

TheBigLebowski
08-13-2020, 06:22 PM
Votto just isn’t very good anymore. Wasted all his prime years. Now he’s almost a black hole in the order.

EnglishRed
08-13-2020, 06:23 PM
On the plus side this would be a good night to give Lorenzen a few innings under no pressure at all to get his arm back.....yes I'm searching hard for plus sides...

Coopdaddy67
08-13-2020, 06:23 PM
Votto just isn’t very good anymore. Wasted all his prime years. Now he’s almost a black hole in the order.

He had a higher OBP than Castellanos before the game started.

Rolando
08-13-2020, 06:26 PM
He had a higher OBP than Castellanos before the game started.
Yeah but votto's slugging percentage is way less then castellanos

JFLegal
08-13-2020, 06:27 PM
this team was not satisfied being somewhat of a train wreck. they wanted to go all-in and become a full-fledged one.

mission accomplished.

JaxRed
08-13-2020, 06:27 PM
Reed ERA below 9 !!

Ron Madden
08-13-2020, 06:28 PM
Looked like strike 3 to me

podgejeff_
08-13-2020, 06:28 PM
That was obviously strike 3.

DocRed
08-13-2020, 06:28 PM
Did Cody Reed and Disco swap bodies before the game?

podgejeff_
08-13-2020, 06:29 PM
Look at Cody Reed here.

It's like opposite day in GABP.

TheBigLebowski
08-13-2020, 06:29 PM
He had a higher OBP than Castellanos before the game started.

He’s batting average is right at the Mendoza line. Granted, he’s not alone there - plenty of his teammates keeping him company. He’s just not a fearsome hitter anymore. He’s still got a good eye.

JaxRed
08-13-2020, 06:29 PM
Reed ERA below 8 !!

Griffey012
08-13-2020, 06:30 PM
Cody Reed looks loose and relaxed. An 8 run deficit will do that.

Guy has the arm, just has to figure it out mentally.

mth123
08-13-2020, 06:30 PM
2 Good innings from Reed. Run him back out there.

Phoenix2
08-13-2020, 06:30 PM
This game has Lorenzen written all over it. Get him out there to see what he's got.

BCubb2003
08-13-2020, 06:30 PM
Would you suffer a game like this if it meant the rediscovery of Cody Reed?

DocRed
08-13-2020, 06:30 PM
Reed ERA below 8 !!

Disco 0.00 and Reed 10.80 before the game. Now Reed might have a lower ERA than Disco after today.

Coopdaddy67
08-13-2020, 06:30 PM
Yeah but votto's slugging percentage is way less then castellanos

Sure, and if Votto has a few great games in a row, his rate stats will skyrocket.

Winker was batting .087 a little over a week ago.

podgejeff_
08-13-2020, 06:32 PM
Would you suffer a game like this if it meant the rediscovery of Cody Reed?

I mean we kind of have to.

But Cody Reed being even the bullpen version of what we thought he'd be coming up would be a big win.

mth123
08-13-2020, 06:32 PM
Would you suffer a game like this if it meant the rediscovery of Cody Reed?

Yes if some team would give us something usable for him. No if it means the Reds are going to give him a more important role. When the pressure returns, so will the yips.

Rolando
08-13-2020, 06:33 PM
Sure, and if Votto has a few great games in a row, his rate stats will skyrocket.

Winker was batting .087 a little over a week ago.
Sure but it works both ways if he has a couple bad games in a row it'll be under 200

TheBigLebowski
08-13-2020, 06:33 PM
Sure, and if Votto has a few great games in a row, his rate stats will skyrocket.

Winker was batting .087 a little over a week ago.

You also have all of 2019 as evidence. This isn’t a small slump.

EnglishRed
08-13-2020, 06:34 PM
This game has Lorenzen written all over it. Get him out there to see what he's got.

I'd let him hit as well.....

Patrick Bateman
08-13-2020, 06:34 PM
Heís batting average is right at the Mendoza line. Granted, heís not alone there - plenty of his teammates keeping him company. Heís just not a fearsome hitter anymore. Heís still got a good eye.

This might be true and has been the result for the last few years, especially compared to 1st base peers.

Heís trying some different techniques this year but is resulting in insanely low quality contact.

He can keep trying new things but I just wonder if his bat speed isnít high enough to do real damage consistently.


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Ron Madden
08-13-2020, 06:34 PM
Da Wink Double!!!

podgejeff_
08-13-2020, 06:34 PM
This is exactly the Jesse Winker we anticipated coming up through the minors.

mth123
08-13-2020, 06:35 PM
Jesse Winker just hits.

Coopdaddy67
08-13-2020, 06:35 PM
Good start to a comeback attempt.

podgejeff_
08-13-2020, 06:35 PM
Senzel!

TheBigLebowski
08-13-2020, 06:35 PM
Yay Nick

Ron Madden
08-13-2020, 06:35 PM
2 run HR Nick Senzel !!!!

DocRed
08-13-2020, 06:35 PM
Winker smoked that...111.9MPH

JaxRed
08-13-2020, 06:36 PM
This might be true and has been the result for the last few years, especially compared to 1st base peers.

He’s trying some different techniques this year but is resulting in insanely low quality contact.

He can keep trying new things but I just wonder if his bat speed isn’t high enough to do real damage consistently.


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It's age related decline. Just happens. Stats now in 3rd straight year of decline. He's 37 next month.

EnglishRed
08-13-2020, 06:36 PM
Senzel 2 run homer!

podgejeff_
08-13-2020, 06:38 PM
Man Welsh and Thom are quiet.

Tony Cloninger
08-13-2020, 06:38 PM
I'd pull Winker just to send a message to the clubhouse.

Winker has been hitting great but he does this lack of hustle shtick from time to time.

Ron Madden
08-13-2020, 06:39 PM
Man Welsh and Thom are quiet.

Some might say that's a good thing

Kc61
08-13-2020, 06:39 PM
Hate to devote a game to it, but I’m glad Reed is getting this chance. He was out most of last year and needs some low leverage work.

Let him pitch some non-key innings and then elevate his role, if he’s doing well.

mth123
08-13-2020, 06:39 PM
Winker has been hitting great but he does this lack of hustle shtick from time to time.

To paraphrase an old saying. Shake a tree and you can find guys who hustle. Guys who can hit are pretty rare.

mth123
08-13-2020, 06:40 PM
Hate to devote a game to it, but I’m glad Reed is getting this chance. He was out most of last year and needs some low leverage work.

Let him pitch some non-key innings and then elevate his role, if he’s doing well.

If this keeps up another week, they'll all be non-key innings.

Kc61
08-13-2020, 06:41 PM
If this keeps up another week, they'll all be non-key innings.

Turnaround starts tomorrow.

Falls City Beer
08-13-2020, 06:41 PM
This team is a mess. I thought theyíd be a bit better this season, but they could actually be worse. Is it injuries?

mth123
08-13-2020, 06:42 PM
Turnaround starts tomorrow.

Hope you are right. We have the good part of the rotation going for us.

Rolando
08-13-2020, 06:43 PM
This team is a mess. I thought they’d be a bit better this season, but they could actually be worse. Is it injuries?
The funny thing is outside of the Cubs the whole division sucks

Coopdaddy67
08-13-2020, 06:44 PM
This team is a mess. I thought they’d be a bit better this season, but they could actually be worse. Is it injuries?

Safe to say not having Moustakas in the lineup is noticable.

Ron Madden
08-13-2020, 06:44 PM
This Game Ain't Over Yet! :D

mth123
08-13-2020, 06:44 PM
This team is a mess. I thought they’d be a bit better this season, but they could actually be worse. Is it injuries?

Last year's top reliever is awful. Last year's top hitter is awful, last Winter's top acquisition is out, last year's phenom isn't even active.

podgejeff_
08-13-2020, 06:45 PM
Turnaround starts tomorrow.

Turnaround starts tonight. I'm not giving up.

50YrRedsFan
08-13-2020, 06:46 PM
Votto just isnít very good anymore. Wasted all his prime years. Now heís almost a black hole in the order.

Amongst many black holes. Barnhart, Van M. Galvis, and I hate to say it: Suarez.

Falls City Beer
08-13-2020, 06:46 PM
The funny thing is outside of the Cubs the whole division sucks

St Louis hasnít played at all. Theyíll be good. Itís always the same teams maintaining consistent excellence. Itís always the same teams being bad no matter how many changes. Itís just hard to fathom.

podgejeff_
08-13-2020, 06:48 PM
That was a really nice pitch.

Rolando
08-13-2020, 06:49 PM
St Louis hasn’t played at all. They’ll be good. It’s always the same teams maintaining consistent excellence. It’s always the same teams being bad no matter how many changes. It’s just hard to fathom.

We will see if the Cardinals come back

Tony Cloninger
08-13-2020, 06:50 PM
To paraphrase an old saying. Shake a tree and you can find guys who hustle. Guys who can hit are pretty rare.

You got a problem with some old school hustling like Derek Bell!?

mth123
08-13-2020, 06:53 PM
Here comes Lorenzen to let some inherited runners score and ruin Reed's mirage.

podgejeff_
08-13-2020, 06:54 PM
Wow!

Shogo!

mth123
08-13-2020, 06:54 PM
Reed with a good outing.