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Ron Madden
08-19-2020, 02:36 PM
First Pitch 5:05PM

Reds
1. Joey Votto (L) 1B
2. Nick Castellanos (R) RF
3. Jesse Winker (L) LF
4. Eugenio Suarez (R) 3B
5. Mike Moustakas (L) DH
6. Shogo Akiyama (L) CF
7. Josh VanMeter (L) 2B
8. Freddy Galvis (S) SS
9. Tucker Barnhart (L) C
SP Luis Castillo (R)

Royals
1. Whit Merrifield (R) CF
2. Nicky Lopez (L) 2B
3. Hunter Dozier (R) RF
4. Jorge Soler (R) DH
5. Ryan O'Hearn (L) 1B
6. Maikel Franco (R) 3B
7. Alex Gordon (L) LF
8. Adalberto Mondesi (S) SS
9. Cam Gallagher (R) C
SP Brad Keller (R)

Brutus23
08-19-2020, 02:39 PM
So do we know who actually got the Virus? I was thinking it was Moustakas...

And Joey at the 1 hole... interesting.

NebraskaRed
08-19-2020, 02:40 PM
Seems to be Senzel.

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Also, Robel Garcia is the 29th man for today's doubleheader.

DocRed
08-19-2020, 02:46 PM
Pleasantly surprised no other starters seem to be out

Also glad to see Robel up.

Ron Madden
08-19-2020, 02:47 PM
Transactions

https://mobile.twitter.com/Reds/status/1296139885959614466/photo/1

Coopdaddy67
08-19-2020, 02:56 PM
Sounds like everybody else is now in KC and available to play today.

Great news.

Tom Servo
08-19-2020, 02:59 PM
Really hoping for a good one from Castillo today, his road starts so far this year have been underwhelming.

DocRed
08-19-2020, 02:59 PM
Moose as the DH seems a bit odd. Precautionary I would assume...

NebraskaRed
08-19-2020, 03:01 PM
Moose as the DH seems a bit odd. Precautionary I would assume...

It seems that he's playing both games. They probably want to ease him back in.

davereds24
08-19-2020, 03:02 PM
I love this top 5, especially if Votto and Suarez can get going a bit before Winker cools off.

Kc61
08-19-2020, 03:03 PM
Really hoping for a good one from Castillo today, his road starts so far this year have been underwhelming.

Iím not one to blame BABIP luck, but Castillo has pitched much better than his results.

On the other hand, heís got the proverbial Winker/Castellanos outfield so a flare could drop in occasionally.

Itís time for things to go Castilloís way.

DocRed
08-19-2020, 03:04 PM
Reds about -190

Brutus23
08-19-2020, 03:15 PM
I believe someone brought this up before but these double headers only help us in regards to the 7 inning rule. No RP needed hopefully!

JaxRed
08-19-2020, 03:21 PM
Moose as the DH seems a bit odd. Precautionary I would assume...

They said he'd be at second for Game #2

mgbrown66
08-19-2020, 03:47 PM
ugh.... Keller was Greg Maddox reincarnated.

klw
08-19-2020, 04:09 PM
First Pitch 5:05PM

Reds
1. Joey Votto (L) 1B
2. Nick Castellanos (R) RF
3. Jesse Winker (L) LF
4. Eugenio Suarez (R) 3B
5. Mike Moustakas (L) DH
6. Shogo Akiyama (L) CF
7. Josh VanMeter (L) 2B
8. Freddy Galvis (S) SS
9. Tucker Barnhart (L) C
SP Louis Castillo (R)



Sad to see Louis is pitching again today, Luis Castillo is a much better option.

CaiGuy
08-19-2020, 05:23 PM
Sad to see Louis is pitching again today, Luis Castillo is a much better option.

Louis Castillo does sound a bit like a retread name, doesn't it? Though more of a journeyman middle infielder name than a SP name.

Brutus23
08-19-2020, 06:02 PM
Is there a way to find out how many AB Votto has as leadoff? I cannot remember a time he hit 1

Ron Madden
08-19-2020, 06:03 PM
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#Reds had 3 players identified in the contact tracing process. They're cleared to play tonight, but they'll receive additional testing and travel separately to St. Louis.

CaiGuy
08-19-2020, 06:07 PM
Is there a way to find out how many AB Votto has as leadoff? I cannot remember a time he hit 1

https://www.baseball-reference.com/players/split.fcgi?id=vottojo01&year=Career&t=b

Looks like 70 PA.

Coopdaddy67
08-19-2020, 06:07 PM
Both strikes were balls.

Ron Madden
08-19-2020, 06:07 PM
That Was Outside

Kc61
08-19-2020, 06:07 PM
Catcher stole strike two. And Votto fans.

JaxRed
08-19-2020, 06:08 PM
Votto K's on ball 5 after ball 4 called a strike.

Ron Madden
08-19-2020, 06:11 PM
A Walk for Da Wink

Kc61
08-19-2020, 06:13 PM
Nothing for the Reds in the first. Someone tell Chris it’s not just 20% of the season. It’s one third elapsed. And the umpire is very annoying.

Continue.

JaxRed
08-19-2020, 06:18 PM
Votto drops Galvis' throw. Hate to make things harder on Castillo.

podgejeff_
08-19-2020, 06:19 PM
If Castillo didn't have bad luck, he wouldn't have luck at all.

I mean other than being a world-class gifted pitcher who is making a major league salary.

Kc61
08-19-2020, 06:19 PM
Votto drops Galvis' throw. Hate to make things harder on Castillo.

Throw was a little low, but very catchable.

Coopdaddy67
08-19-2020, 06:24 PM
That was closer than Votto's strike two.

Umpire clearly impacted by the home fans.

Kc61
08-19-2020, 06:24 PM
Two on, one out for the Royals. Umpire called a close pitch Royals’ way for a walk.

Ron Madden
08-19-2020, 06:25 PM
Time to turn two

podgejeff_
08-19-2020, 06:26 PM
Castillo's a little wild.

JFLegal
08-19-2020, 06:27 PM
votto can't even catch baseballs any longer. what a freefall from greatness.

JaxRed
08-19-2020, 06:27 PM
Votto error and Castillo control puts them behind.....

Jomama
08-19-2020, 06:28 PM
So much for not having to use the bullpen.

ochoa30
08-19-2020, 06:28 PM
They just aren’t chasing anything. Pretty impressive by the royals hitters. The error obviously hurt a lot as well.

JFLegal
08-19-2020, 06:28 PM
castillo going full headcase now and throwing it 5 feet above the zone.

Kc61
08-19-2020, 06:28 PM
Votto error and Castillo control puts them behind.....

Umpire partially to blame, he made Luis come in, didn’t give him anything on the corners.

JaxRed
08-19-2020, 06:29 PM
Seems like any trouble makes the wheels come off for Castillo this year.

JFLegal
08-19-2020, 06:29 PM
this game could be over early. what a joke.

Kc61
08-19-2020, 06:29 PM
3-0 game.

TheBigLebowski
08-19-2020, 06:29 PM
Castillo is crazy disappointing

JFLegal
08-19-2020, 06:30 PM
against the royals! wait until the reds start playing good teams. oh boy.

Brutus23
08-19-2020, 06:30 PM
Well it looks like a grilled cheese and whisky type of evening. sigh :-(

Kc61
08-19-2020, 06:30 PM
Umpire gave Luis the first one to Franco, strike one. Make up call.

JFLegal
08-19-2020, 06:30 PM
Castillo is crazy disappointing

in his defense, if votto catches a baseball that any 6th grade first baseman would have caught, nothing might have happened this inning.

madeirawood
08-19-2020, 06:31 PM
The way the home plate umpire is calling balls and strikes. Forcing Castillo to throw the ball over the middle of the plate. Allowing the KC pitcher to throw the ball 4-5 inches outside to Votto for strikes. Next.

Tom Servo
08-19-2020, 06:31 PM
Really hoping for a good one from Castillo today, his road starts so far this year have been underwhelming.
Welp.

Heíll ultimately be fine but man even with errors behind you you gotta be able to get outs against the Tigers and Royals.

JFLegal
08-19-2020, 06:32 PM
Welp.

He’ll ultimately be fine but man even with errors behind you you gotta be able to get outs against the Tigers and Royals.

quoting yourself? lol

TheBigLebowski
08-19-2020, 06:33 PM
in his defense, if votto catches a baseball that any 6th grade first baseman would have caught, nothing might have happened this inning.

True, but he deserves blame himself.

Votto should take himself out of the game and run laps.

Jomama
08-19-2020, 06:34 PM
Well it looks like a grilled cheese and whisky type of evening. sigh :-(

I'd skip the grilled cheese.

Ron Madden
08-19-2020, 06:34 PM
You people are crazy

JaxRed
08-19-2020, 06:34 PM
Luckily the Royals swung at some pitches outside the strike zone.

EnglishRed
08-19-2020, 06:34 PM
True, but he deserves blame himself.

Votto should take himself out of the game and run laps.

Just turned on, seen the score, swore loudly in front of the kids...what happened?

JFLegal
08-19-2020, 06:34 PM
True, but he deserves blame himself.

Votto should take himself out of the game and run laps.

yes, castillo deserves blame. but when your first baseman drops a ball to begin the inning, that's how bad things happen. they both deserve blame for that horrible inning.

Stray
08-19-2020, 06:35 PM
They were all laying off his changeups

JFLegal
08-19-2020, 06:35 PM
will the reds make this scrub pitcher keller look good again?

RedlegsFanatic
08-19-2020, 06:35 PM
The way the home plate umpire is calling balls and strikes. Forcing Castillo to throw the ball over the middle of the plate. Allowing the KC pitcher to throw the ball 4-5 inches outside to Votto for strikes. Next.

I guess ur a glass is half empty kinda fan? I agree, but itís only 1 inning. Long way to go in this one. But Castillo needs to quit worrying about pointing to the heavens and start pitching a little bit. God isnít going to help him get that change up over the plate.


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Wonderful Monds
08-19-2020, 06:36 PM
I wonder if the league just kinda figured out Castillo somewhat after the ASB last year. He was pretty bad in the second half. I donít think he sucks or anything, he still flashes quite a bit of talent but I wonder if heís more like a 2/3 starters than a potential ace like many believed he could be last year.

TheBigLebowski
08-19-2020, 06:37 PM
Can’t be too angry at our hitters. Brad Keller is a first-ballot HOF’er.

JFLegal
08-19-2020, 06:37 PM
the only good news is the reds will soon learn they need to be sellers at the trade deadline. this team has zero juice.

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alex gordon does not drop 2 baseballs, two outs.

JFLegal
08-19-2020, 06:39 PM
2020 cincinnati reds are going full 2020.

Tom Servo
08-19-2020, 06:39 PM
I wonder if the league just kinda figured out Castillo somewhat after the ASB last year. He was pretty bad in the second half. I don’t think he sucks or anything, he still flashes quite a bit of talent but I wonder if he’s more like a 2/3 starters than a potential ace like many believed he could be last year.
Too early to make any real determination, and the whole “is Cueto an ace” discourse still haunts my brain, but it is pretty obvious that Gray and Bauer are the better pitchers right now which makes him the Reds 2020 #3.

Kc61
08-19-2020, 06:40 PM
Reds down 3-0 after 1 1/2.

Reds doing ok except for hitting, fielding, pitching.

Perfect base running, Winker walked and didn’t get picked off or anything.

kaldaniels
08-19-2020, 06:40 PM
Thom loves him some Keller.

BCubb2003
08-19-2020, 06:40 PM
Too early to make any real determination, and the whole “is Cueto an ace” discourse still haunts my brain, but it is pretty obvious that Gray and Bauer are the better pitchers right now which makes him the Reds 2020 #3.

That’s not such a bad problem to have.

TheBigLebowski
08-19-2020, 06:40 PM
Good eye Joshua. You never want to swing at fastballs down the pipe with 2 strikes against you. It’s a trap.

EnglishRed
08-19-2020, 06:41 PM
the only good news is the reds will soon learn they need to be sellers at the trade deadline. this team has zero juice.

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alex gordon does not drop 2 baseballs, two outs.

Could start by trading Josh VanMeter straight into the sea.

JFLegal
08-19-2020, 06:41 PM
Reds down 3-0 after 1 1/2.

Reds doing ok except for hitting, fielding, pitching.

Perfect base running, Winker walked and didn’t get picked off or anything.

minor details!

Red Raindog
08-19-2020, 06:42 PM
Just turned on, seen the score, swore loudly in front of the kids...what happened?

Votto makes an error then some walks and hits.
Castillo not looking good and threw about 35 pitches in the first inning.



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JFLegal
08-19-2020, 06:42 PM
this team is a disaster based on preseason expectations. what a bunch of underachievers. the only exceptions are winker, gray and bauer, who are studs. maybe castellanos, too.

Kc61
08-19-2020, 06:43 PM
I honestly believe the umpire messed up Castillo. Not a valid excuse, he has to deal with it.

But I thought Luis grooved a 3-2 pitch to Soler because he couldn’t get a strike call on the corners. Didn’t want to walk the bases loaded. That opened the door to the big inning.

Ron Madden
08-19-2020, 06:43 PM
this team is a disaster based on preseason expectations. what a bunch of underachievers. the only exceptions are winker, gray and bauer, who are studs. maybe castellanos, too.

Why don't you walk away and stop following them?

malcontent
08-19-2020, 06:44 PM
the only good news is the reds will soon learn they need to be sellers at the trade deadline. this team has zero juice.
What, they gonna sell Bell?

JFLegal
08-19-2020, 06:45 PM
Why don't you walk away and stop following them?

because i'm not a fairweather fan, skippy.

same reason i still somehow root for the bengals.

Rotater Cuff
08-19-2020, 06:45 PM
This is an example of excellent coaching and scouting. The Royals have already seen first hand the Reds strengths and weaknesses, and they have attacked the weaknesses. They are quite ready for Castillo's m.o. They are laying off the junk and forcing him to throw fat pitches. They are pitching to each Reds hitter's weakness. They capitalized on the time off and are ready. What have the Reds been doing meantime?

Brutus23
08-19-2020, 06:46 PM
Hey the Bengals are 240/1 to win the AFC this season!

Ron Madden
08-19-2020, 06:46 PM
because i'm not a fairweather fan, skippy.

same reason i still somehow root for the bengals.

You're not a die hard either. Giving up in the first inning every game

JFLegal
08-19-2020, 06:46 PM
This is an example of excellent coaching and scouting. The Royals have already seen first hand the Reds strengths and weaknesses, and they have attacked the weaknesses. They are quite ready for Castillo's m.o. They are laying off the junk and forcing him to throw fat pitches. They are pitching to each Reds hitter's weakness. They capitalized on the time off and are ready. What have the Reds been doing meantime?

david bell has been working hard at his monotone voice. so, that's something. and he's perfected it!

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You're not a die hard either. Giving up in the first inning every game

oh, give up? i'll give you 10-to-1 odds the reds lose this game. you up for it? name your price, diehard.

don't give up on em!

madeirawood
08-19-2020, 06:48 PM
I guess ur a glass is half empty kinda fan? I agree, but it’s only 1 inning. Long way to go in this one. But Castillo needs to quit worrying about pointing to the heavens and start pitching a little bit. God isn’t going to help him get that change up over the plate.


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Well, the KC announcer just mentioned in inning 2 that Castillo had been pinched on several pitches.

Brutus23
08-19-2020, 06:49 PM
Live odds are 3.55/1 for the reds to win just fyi

JFLegal
08-19-2020, 06:49 PM
Live odds are 3.55/1 for the reds to win just fyi

i know i'm giving my man great odds. let's see if he takes it or gives up on his team.

Ron Madden
08-19-2020, 06:49 PM
david bell has been working hard at his monotone voice. so, that's something. and he's perfected it!

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oh, give up? i'll give you 10-to-1 odds the reds lose this game. you up for it? name your price, diehard.

You make game threads unbearable. I'm outta here before I get banned for telling you what I really think of you

Stray
08-19-2020, 06:50 PM
Is 55 pitches through 1.2 bad?

JFLegal
08-19-2020, 06:51 PM
Is 55 pitches through 1.2 bad?

it's certainly not good. but poor defense and a bad umpire has contributed to it.

Wonderful Monds
08-19-2020, 06:51 PM
I somehow doubt the 9-14 Royals are the beneficiaries of excellent coaching and scouting lol

Jomama
08-19-2020, 06:52 PM
i know i'm giving my man great odds. let's see if he takes it or gives up on his team.

Several people on here just can't handle facts. 16425

Alabama Red
08-19-2020, 06:52 PM
I’ve never been high on a Blandino and the Reds must think less if they keep Playing JVM. He’s just struggling so bad we need to give someone else a shot.

Red Raindog
08-19-2020, 06:52 PM
You make game threads unbearable. I'm outta here before I get banned for telling you what I really think of you

I assume thereís still an ignore option but I know itís not perfect


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RedlegsFanatic
08-19-2020, 06:52 PM
Well, the KC announcer just mentioned in inning 2 that Castillo had been pinched on several pitches.

Louie is definitely getting squeezed. Itís not fair, but itís not fair at Wrigley and a host of other road venues either. Iíve always said I think the Reds are about the only team in MLB that doesnít get the home strike zone. It is what it is I guess. Maybe Iím just bias I donít know.


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JFLegal
08-19-2020, 06:53 PM
good inning for castillo.

Kc61
08-19-2020, 06:53 PM
3-0 after two. Castillo with lots of pitches thrown, so we’re seeing Antone warming.

Reds need to score some runs. That is the object of the game, after all.

JFLegal
08-19-2020, 06:54 PM
3-0 after two. Castillo with lots of pitches thrown, so we’re seeing Antone warming.

Reds need to score some runs. That is the object of the game, after all.

it's usually a good strategy.

RedlegsFanatic
08-19-2020, 06:55 PM
Louie is definitely getting squeezed. Itís not fair, but itís not fair at Wrigley and a host of other road venues either. Iíve always said I think the Reds are about the only team in MLB that doesnít get the home strike zone. It is what it is I guess. Maybe Iím just bias I donít know.


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If the Reds got the same favorable strike calls when playing in GABP then Iíd be ok with getting squeezed on the road. But we donít, it seems like we even get squeezed at home. But like I said, maybe Iím bias.


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TheBigLebowski
08-19-2020, 06:55 PM
Thus far in the season, Tejay is an upgrade to Castillo.

TheBigLebowski
08-19-2020, 06:56 PM
Can’t help it when you hit it that hard and it’s right at somebody

JFLegal
08-19-2020, 06:56 PM
Thus far in the season, Tejay is an upgrade to Castillo.

i still think if votto doesn't drop that ball, castillo gives up zero.

Kc61
08-19-2020, 06:57 PM
i still think if votto doesn't drop that ball, castillo gives up zero.

It’s the error, it’s the umpire, it’s the pitcher.

Can’t change it, just stop hitting weak grounders and score some runs.

malcontent
08-19-2020, 06:57 PM
I'm curious what the catchers' ERAs are. Seems like Barnhart's pitchers get blown up.

TheBigLebowski
08-19-2020, 06:58 PM
i still think if votto doesn't drop that ball, castillo gives up zero.

Who knows. It is important to remember that our highest paid player drops routine throws.

JFLegal
08-19-2020, 06:58 PM
It’s the error, it’s the umpire, it’s the pitcher.

Can’t change it, just stop hitting weak grounders and score some runs.

right, all of those things are true.

JFLegal
08-19-2020, 06:59 PM
we will always be able to tell people that we used to know when joey votto was really good at baseball.

TheBigLebowski
08-19-2020, 06:59 PM
Least he’s seeing the ball well at the plate. At it whizzes right by him and his choked up bat.

Ironman92
08-19-2020, 07:00 PM
Tell Thom the Aís kinda won the 1989 World Series

Rotater Cuff
08-19-2020, 07:02 PM
Against the Reds they are the Big Royals Machine

EnglishRed
08-19-2020, 07:03 PM
Tell Thom the A’s kinda won the 1989 World Series

he backtracked big time on that one just now.

kaldaniels
08-19-2020, 07:04 PM
Of course JB had no worries about leaving Thom in charge of his wife.

malcontent
08-19-2020, 07:04 PM
Least he’s seeing the ball well at the plate. At it whizzes right by him and his choked up bat.
I thought the extreme choking up was going to be a thing of the past, after he ditched it and started hitting a little during the last couple months of last year.

madeirawood
08-19-2020, 07:07 PM
The automated strike zone can't come soon enough as far as i'm concerned. Unfortunately, there is no minor league play this year to test these devices. So i doubt if we see it next year.

TheBigLebowski
08-19-2020, 07:08 PM
I thought the extreme choking up was going to be a thing of the past, after he ditched it and started hitting a little during the last couple months of last year.

Apparently not. I hate it when he does it.

Kc61
08-19-2020, 07:13 PM
Hitters may see a glare now, strong sun.

Winker, another walk.

madeirawood
08-19-2020, 07:13 PM
The home plate ump is making his major league debut today. Unbelievable.

Jomama
08-19-2020, 07:15 PM
On the bright side Keller's no-hitter will forever have an asterisk beside it. :)

TheBigLebowski
08-19-2020, 07:17 PM
So bad.

Kc61
08-19-2020, 07:18 PM
On the bright side Keller's no-hitter will forever have an asterisk beside it. :)

Yeah, but you really can’t expect to get any hits against Keller.

Maybe a few walks, and they have achieved that. Or Winker has.

DocRed
08-19-2020, 07:18 PM
Why in the heck are you posting crap like this in the main forum?? Post it in the game thread. Some ppl DVR the game and still read the main thread. Thanks a lot for spoiling the game for me ****

Also why are mods allowing this??

Kc61
08-19-2020, 07:21 PM
Single by Mondesi off Votto’s glove. Tough play, but it’s the major leagues.

TheBigLebowski
08-19-2020, 07:22 PM
Tough to watch this Joey Votto. He’s a shell of his former self.

EnglishRed
08-19-2020, 07:23 PM
JVM....please just do something right...please.

JaxRed
08-19-2020, 07:23 PM
Single by Mondesi off Votto’s glove. Tough play, but it’s the major leagues.

Might be scored a single..... but it should be an error.

ochoa30
08-19-2020, 07:25 PM
Just rooting for a hit at this point

Bruce Berenyi
08-19-2020, 07:28 PM
yes amazing offense so glad van meter gets to showcase his skills, what clever managing by bell I really do appreciate his approach it is so delightful

Kc61
08-19-2020, 07:28 PM
Mahle is listed for Sunday. Wonder if they’d switch to Castillo on three days’ rest. He threw 89 pitches tonight.

davereds24
08-19-2020, 07:28 PM
For the last few days I forgot how disappointing this team was to watch. Didn’t take long to remember that feeling.

RedlegsFanatic
08-19-2020, 07:29 PM
1 hard hit ball all day and Bell pulls Castillo after 89 pitches? What a joke?
Why? Because our bullpen is oh so good? Lmao. This guy has no clue what so ever. Maybe not as bad as Bryan Price but close. This team has no hope.


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EnglishRed
08-19-2020, 07:29 PM
"and after the game Josh VanMeter was optioned, and died on his way back to his home planet"

TheBigLebowski
08-19-2020, 07:29 PM
Holy cow we’re bad at ball.

RedlegsFanatic
08-19-2020, 07:31 PM
The fact Van Meter is even on this team over Aquino makes me question the Reds motives.


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Kc61
08-19-2020, 07:33 PM
The fact Van Meter is even on this team over Aquino makes me question the Reds motives.


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Aquino doesnít play second base. You need someone to play second base. Itís almost a requirement.

Bruce Berenyi
08-19-2020, 07:33 PM
oh dont mention aquino its not polite,, lets talk about van meter and jankowski and colon that is OK when we are finished with that we can talk about Lorenzen, and prospect Cody Reed

Why I bet if Reed were just given a few hundred more chances he might record an out

Kc61
08-19-2020, 07:35 PM
oh dont mention aquino its not polite,, lets talk about van meter and jankowski and colon that is OK when we are finished with that we can talk about Lorenzen, and prospect Cody Reed

Why I bet if Reed were just given a few hundred more chances he might record an out

Can we stop with this picking on the back of the bench and middle relievers please?

Suarez is hitting .119.

Where are the threads and posts about that?

RedlegsFanatic
08-19-2020, 07:36 PM
Is anyone interested in meeting me in Cincinnati and starting a ďWe want Larkin if heíll take itĒ campaign?


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50YrRedsFan
08-19-2020, 07:36 PM
What a trainwreck this team is. Time to clean up after the dogs. More exciting than the Reds. Out.

Bruce Berenyi
08-19-2020, 07:37 PM
good point he h as been given infinite chances unlike (you know who)

TheBigLebowski
08-19-2020, 07:38 PM
Shogo is a bust.

texasdave
08-19-2020, 07:44 PM
Pitch around Winker and let someone else try to beat you. Sound strategy.

malcontent
08-19-2020, 07:44 PM
Shogo is a bust.
Yeah, but he's a class-act bust.

EnglishRed
08-19-2020, 07:44 PM
There's a lot of easy targets for finger pointing, but really this team is across the board underachieving. Suarez isn't hitting, Votto looks 46 not 36. Few exceptions but for me if the players love playing under Bell they definitely aren't showing it.

TheBigLebowski
08-19-2020, 07:44 PM
Keep forgetting this is a 7 inning game. The no-hitter isn’t as meaningful.

No way that should have fallen in, but this is the Dreads.

JaxRed
08-19-2020, 07:44 PM
Was afraid Winker might have jammed himself on that catch attempt.

RedlegsFanatic
08-19-2020, 07:46 PM
Man, that Van Meter sure looks impressive!
Itís time to clean house people. Especially the entire scouting department. The Reds have had all these high draft picks, trading off all stars, etc, for years now. Why donít we have a single Tatis Jr, or Bo Bichette, Austin Meadows, Juan Soto, AcuŮa Jr, etc, etc, etc. The best our scouts have produced in a decade of high draft picks has been Senzel & Winker. That is pathetic. I thought Aquino could maybe be a game changer but they wonít even let him play when it matter. lol
I question every single move this team makes.


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Patrick Bateman
08-19-2020, 07:46 PM
Shogo is a bust.

I think the 60 game season is going to hurt Shogo more than anyone. Its a big transition from Japan to American ball. When 60 games is up, I expect he will start to have turned the corner, however, the stat line is likely to be quite terrible. I think his next 100 games would have been better.

Jomama
08-19-2020, 07:47 PM
Shogo is a bust.

Gee...a 32 year old veteran of the Japanese league is a but in the MLB. Who woulda thunk it?

malcontent
08-19-2020, 07:48 PM
Look, there is no way this team wins anything so long as Bell is the manager. If that wasn't apparent around one year ago, it sure as hell should be now.

RedTeamGo!
08-19-2020, 07:49 PM
Woof

TheBigLebowski
08-19-2020, 07:50 PM
I think the 60 game season is going to hurt Shogo more than anyone. Its a big transition from Japan to American ball. When 60 games is up, I expect he will start to have turned the corner, however, the stat line is likely to be quite terrible. I think his next 100 games would have been better.

Hope so. Maybe we get the guy we expected in 2021.

ScotlandRed
08-19-2020, 07:51 PM
Aquino doesnít play second base. You need someone to play second base. Itís almost a requirement.

I mean, Moose, Senzel, Farmer, Galvis? I would rather have Blandino right now than JVM. Can cover 3 infield positions.

Cursh14
08-19-2020, 07:51 PM
Shogo is a bust.

For sure. I think the sample size is definitely large enough to say that. Definitely.

/s if not clear.

Roy Tucker
08-19-2020, 07:54 PM
I remember listening to Maloneyís 10 inning no hitter. That was when the announcers said absolutely nothing about the no no. My dad had the game in the garage and he had me working (as always). I just caught bits and pieces of the game. I think the 10th inning was when Johnny Lewis hit a hr to break it up. And that was when the Mets were *really* bad.

TheBigLebowski
08-19-2020, 07:55 PM
Well, there goes the no no.

EnglishRed
08-19-2020, 07:55 PM
Man, that Van Meter sure looks impressive!
Itís time to clean house people. Especially the entire scouting department. The Reds have had all these high draft picks, trading off all stars, etc, for years now. Why donít we have a single Tatis Jr, or Bo Bichette, Austin Meadows, Juan Soto, AcuŮa Jr, etc, etc, etc. The best our scouts have produced in a decade of high draft picks has been Senzel & Winker. That is pathetic. I thought Aquino could maybe be a game changer but they wonít even let him play when it matter. lol
I question every single move this team makes.


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I wonder if our coaching is that great because i keep seeing post-draft best picks videos each year where ours are some of the best rated so maybe it's not the scouts, we're just taking these college and high school studs and teaching them to be JVM....

REDREAD
08-19-2020, 07:55 PM
Kind of a jerk move by barnhart to launch 200 golf balls into the vacant lot next to his house.
How about doing that in your own yard instead?

757690
08-19-2020, 07:55 PM
Tucker breaks up the no hitter

DocRed
08-19-2020, 07:58 PM
Couple thoughts so far...

Votto's D is really bad this year so much so that you need to think about sitting him occasionally although I know that will never happen.
Akiyama is struggling and I'm not sure how he avoided getting HBP in his 2nd at bat, but he needs to get some gear on and take one for the team. Bell needs to talk to him about that.

Frustrating....

Ironman92
08-19-2020, 07:58 PM
Joey has had better games.

TheBigLebowski
08-19-2020, 07:58 PM
This team blows. I’ve seen more than enough. Enjoy game 2, those of you brave enough to watch.

JaxRed
08-19-2020, 07:59 PM
I'd sit Joey game 2. Put in Davidson.

Roy Tucker
08-19-2020, 08:00 PM
Antone has been a real find.

Red Raindog
08-19-2020, 08:00 PM
https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20200819/587ceebc3ea0de0f41ff5904674a11c2.jpg

Getting a feeling that this is the future.


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JFLegal
08-19-2020, 08:00 PM
This team blows. I’ve seen more than enough. Enjoy game 2, those of you brave enough to watch.

good talent on the team. no motivation. mental side of sports should never be underestimated.

texasdave
08-19-2020, 08:01 PM
Quoting Yogi Berra: "In a 60-game season, it gets late early out here."

JFLegal
08-19-2020, 08:02 PM
keep in mind brad keller is bad at baseball. and he's done this to the reds twice in the span of one week. woof.

JFLegal
08-19-2020, 08:03 PM
Quoting Yogi Berra: "In a 60-game season, it gets late early out here."

this is why downplaying the 8-11 start against (mostly) bad teams was foolish on the part of some fans. as if it's going to get better when the reds start playing good teams. (not that the royals qualify, which makes it even more disappointing.) regardless, in a 60-game season, you can't crap the bed like that and expect to compete.

JaxRed
08-19-2020, 08:05 PM
How many consecutive scoreless innings for the bullpen now?

REDREAD
08-19-2020, 08:06 PM
So the season is 1/3 over. Reds could not even play 500 ball with an easy schedule to start with.
Yes, this team is a disaster. With the expanded playoffs, it should have been a slam dunk to make it.
They still might do that, but honestly, it's going to be tough.
So after this game 9-12.
We were guessing 30 games (.500) might make the playoffs -- it could be more, but that's the minimum. Can they go 21-18 the rest of the way? That seems reasonable, but I'm not sure they have it in them.

JaxRed
08-19-2020, 08:07 PM
Did Thom just say "the fag capital of the world"?

JFLegal
08-19-2020, 08:07 PM
something called brad keller is going to pitch a complete game shutout against the reds. 7 innings or not, that's embarrassing. this team is heavily underachieving.

DocRed
08-19-2020, 08:07 PM
Kind of a jerk move by barnhart to launch 200 golf balls into the vacant lot next to his house.
How about doing that in your own yard instead?

Maybe Tucker could have helped the team by spending that time and losing some weight? God knows he is slow as molasses...

Bruce Berenyi
08-19-2020, 08:08 PM
yes bullpen strong and deep like a stopped clock right twice a day

texasdave
08-19-2020, 08:09 PM
Rally?

JFLegal
08-19-2020, 08:09 PM
So the season is 1/3 over. Reds could not even play 500 ball with an easy schedule to start with.
Yes, this team is a disaster. With the expanded playoffs, it should have been a slam dunk to make it.
They still might do that, but honestly, it's going to be tough.
So after this game 9-12.
We were guessing 30 games (.500) might make the playoffs -- it could be more, but that's the minimum. Can they go 21-18 the rest of the way? That seems reasonable, but I'm not sure they have it in them.

they are a complete trainwreck given the expectations and the $ spent on this team. the only saving grace of them completely crapping the bed is maybe dave bell will get fired. he couldn't motivate a drug dealer to deal drugs.

JaxRed
08-19-2020, 08:10 PM
Did Thom just say "the fag capital of the world"?

Am I the only one that heard that? Is anyone else on MLB.TV?

EnglishRed
08-19-2020, 08:10 PM
Thom: Keller is wondering why he can't retire Winker

No.. he's probably thinking that even if he walks Jesse the rest of the side won't punish him for it.

Falls City Beer
08-19-2020, 08:10 PM
Those days off helped I see.

Patrick Bateman
08-19-2020, 08:11 PM
Geez, Suarez up two balls and beats one slowly into the ground. Painful to watch.

texasdave
08-19-2020, 08:11 PM
Jesse's OBP is up to .500.

JFLegal
08-19-2020, 08:11 PM
Those days off helped I see.

reds were coming off an 8-1 win and there were posters on this board who thought a break would be good.

BluegrassRedleg
08-19-2020, 08:11 PM
keep in mind brad keller is bad at baseball. and he's done this to the reds twice in the span of one week. woof.

False. People who know baseball like Keller a lot. The Reds are embarrassing independent of the opposing pitcher.

Falls City Beer
08-19-2020, 08:12 PM
So the season is 1/3 over. Reds could not even play 500 ball with an easy schedule to start with.
Yes, this team is a disaster. With the expanded playoffs, it should have been a slam dunk to make it.
They still might do that, but honestly, it's going to be tough.
So after this game 9-12.
We were guessing 30 games (.500) might make the playoffs -- it could be more, but that's the minimum. Can they go 21-18 the rest of the way? That seems reasonable, but I'm not sure they have it in them.

Just an unholy mess

ochoa30
08-19-2020, 08:12 PM
When your best player coming in ends up being your worst player 20 games into a 60 game season you’re gonna have a bad time

JFLegal
08-19-2020, 08:12 PM
False. People who know baseball like Keller a lot. The Reds are embarrassing independent of the opposing pitcher.

lol! "people who know baseball."

check back in with me when brad keller has an era in the 4s by the end of this "season."

Rojo Rijo
08-19-2020, 08:12 PM
this is why downplaying the 8-11 start against (mostly) bad teams was foolish on the part of some fans. as if it's going to get better when the reds start playing good teams. (not that the royals qualify, which makes it even more disappointing.) regardless, in a 60-game season, you can't crap the bed like that and expect to compete.

Yep. Iíd be more understanding of a start like that if they werenít doing it every single year.


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texasdave
08-19-2020, 08:12 PM
Geez, Suarez up two balls and beats one slowly into the ground. Painful to watch.

And Keller had just thrown 4 straight out of the strike zone.

Roy Tucker
08-19-2020, 08:12 PM
Would be nice if Moustakas got on a tear.

JFLegal
08-19-2020, 08:13 PM
When your best player coming in ends up being your worst player 20 games into a 60 game season you’re gonna have a bad time

who? votto? i hope no one thought he was the reds' best player. he's been washed up for 3 years now.

oh, you mean suarez. i hear ya! good point.

texasdave
08-19-2020, 08:14 PM
Just when you thought VanMeter couldn't get any worse, he's going to totally redeem himself.

Rojo Rijo
08-19-2020, 08:15 PM
Suarez needs to hit the reset button. This has gotten out of control.


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REDREAD
08-19-2020, 08:15 PM
something called brad keller is going to pitch a complete game shutout against the reds. 7 innings or not, that's embarrassing. this team is heavily underachieving.

Well, Reds chase the Mighty Keller out of the game. Small moral victory.

ochoa30
08-19-2020, 08:15 PM
who? votto? i hope no one thought he was the reds' best player. he's been washed up for 3 years now.

oh, you mean suarez. i hear ya! good point.

Suarez

Ironman92
08-19-2020, 08:15 PM
Geez, Suarez up two balls and beats one slowly into the ground. Painful to watch.

Flat out refusal to drive the ball the opposite way on those type of pitches...just going to keep rolling it over

JFLegal
08-19-2020, 08:15 PM
Yep. I’d be more understanding of a start like that if they weren’t doing it every single year.


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you be careful my friend. you'll be called a non-diehard because you are speaking the truth.

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Suarez

what is sad is both suarez and votto have been garbage this season.

Ironman92
08-19-2020, 08:16 PM
Would be nice if Moustakas got on a tear.

Bell will bat him 5th to not hurt Suarez feelings

Bruce Berenyi
08-19-2020, 08:17 PM
yes the truth is inelegant like why van meter colon and davidson get to bat as well as clean up guy hitting.118

Tom Servo
08-19-2020, 08:17 PM
The degree to which the Royals and Tigers are pushovers has been exaggerated, they aren't the same squads that they were last season, but the Reds have to win game #2 just to ultimately manage a split in the 10 games against them combined for the season. That's just not what good teams do, they take care of business against the teams they have significantly more talent than.

JFLegal
08-19-2020, 08:17 PM
the 9-12 cincinnati reds! (with most games being played against the tigers, royals and pirates.) that is difficult to accomplish.

Kc61
08-19-2020, 08:17 PM
Just terrible. Reed and Jankowski did nothing all game.

texasdave
08-19-2020, 08:18 PM
In Trevor we trust.

BluegrassRedleg
08-19-2020, 08:18 PM
lol! "people who know baseball."

check back in with me when brad keller has an era in the 4s by the end of this "season."

That wasn't intended as a dig at you. Just saying people who take a deep dive into MLB rosters for various reasons know this guy's got a really good arm and makeup.

Career ERA+
Keller 129
Castillo 120

JFLegal
08-19-2020, 08:18 PM
The degree to which the Royals and Tigers are pushovers has been exaggerated, they aren't the same squads that they were last season, but the Reds have to win game #2 just to ultimately manage a split in the 10 games against them combined for the season. That's just not what good teams do, they take care of business against the teams they have significantly more talent than.

no, the tigers and royals are still very bad.

EnglishRed
08-19-2020, 08:18 PM
I'm trying not to be negative, but I really have seen enough of VanMeter....

Kc61
08-19-2020, 08:19 PM
the 9-12 cincinnati reds! (with most games being played against the tigers, royals and pirates.) that is difficult to accomplish.

Reds were at .500 against Tigers, Royals and Pirates. Now one under.

Reds are also under .500 against the better teams, Cleveland and Cubs, lost series to both.

Good times.

UPRedsFan
08-19-2020, 08:20 PM
Note to Dick Williams: Could we please find out if Blandino can field and also make contact at the plate? We know Vanmeter cannot do either.

757690
08-19-2020, 08:20 PM
Any know when the second game starts?

JFLegal
08-19-2020, 08:21 PM
oh well, even if the reds made the playoffs, no way they would go very far. they could get on a mini-run thanks to gray and bauer, but the rest of these jokers are underachievers. this team is going nowhere regardless. their beta manager doesn't help the cause. he couldn't motivate a spider to spin a web.

Falls City Beer
08-19-2020, 08:21 PM
The degree to which the Royals and Tigers are pushovers has been exaggerated, they aren't the same squads that they were last season, but the Reds have to win game #2 just to ultimately manage a split in the 10 games against them combined for the season. That's just not what good teams do, they take care of business against the teams they have significantly more talent than.

Teams that people favorably compared the Reds to, like Cards and Cubs, will steamroll those teams. Thatís what good clubs do. They execute and donít make excuses.

Roy Tucker
08-19-2020, 08:21 PM
I'm trying not to be negative, but I really have seen enough of VanMeter....

He has a good relaxed approach at the plate. A good eye and doesn’t swing at bad pitches. The problem is, when he gets a pitch to hit, he doesn’t square up on it. And other teams know that now and pound the zone on him.

JFLegal
08-19-2020, 08:21 PM
Any know when the second game starts?

8:05 ET

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Teams that people favorably compared the Reds to, like Cards and Cubs, will steamroll those teams. That’s what good clubs do. They execute and don’t make excuses.

yes, i think i saw the indians have won 20 straight games against the tigers.

JaxRed
08-19-2020, 08:22 PM
Someone else on Twitter is saying Thom said "fag capitals of the world"

RedTeamGo!
08-19-2020, 08:23 PM
lol! "people who know baseball."

check back in with me when brad keller has an era in the 4s by the end of this "season."

Keller shut down the Cubs too

Rojo Rijo
08-19-2020, 08:23 PM
I'm trying not to be negative, but I really have seen enough of VanMeter....

Iím not sure there is another team that tries to make sub par players happen the way the Reds do. JVM, Schebler, Scooter, Peraza etc. Sure there may have been glimmers of production from each but itís usually pretty clear what these players ceiling will be and the Reds just donít seem to get it


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RedTeamGo!
08-19-2020, 08:26 PM
Teams that people favorably compared the Reds to, like Cards and Cubs, will steamroll those teams. That’s what good clubs do. They execute and don’t make excuses.

The Cubs were totally shut down by this same pitcher. Royals won the game 13-2.

Of course this has been a bad start by the reds, but Christ, they are 9-12, people are acting like they are 2-19. Get a grip, folks.

Tom Servo
08-19-2020, 08:26 PM
Teams that people favorably compared the Reds to, like Cards and Cubs, will steamroll those teams. That’s what good clubs do. They execute and don’t make excuses.
Yup and the Reds used to do it in the Dusty days. It's not always easy but with the talent on your team your guys should be able to pull through. This squad seems to play these ones like they're the Bryan Price Reds and none of this really matters.


The Cubs were totally shut down by this same pitcher. Royals won the game 13-2.

Of course this has been a bad start by the reds, but Christ, they are 9-12, people are acting like they are 2-19. Get a grip, folks.
That was the only game of four that the Cubs lost to the Royals though.

Jomama
08-19-2020, 08:28 PM
The degree to which the Royals and Tigers are pushovers has been exaggerated, they aren't the same squads that they were last season, but the Reds have to win game #2 just to ultimately manage a split in the 10 games against them combined for the season. That's just not what good teams do, they take care of business against the teams they have significantly more talent than.

Sagarin has the Royals & Tigers ranked 14th and 29th, fivethirtyeight has them ranked 26th and 29th. Neither team will likely make the playoffs. They are pushovers.

Bruce Berenyi
08-19-2020, 08:30 PM
johnny lewis homered off Maloney to give Larry Bearnarth the win,,how sad

RedTeamGo!
08-19-2020, 08:32 PM
Did I miss something? Is someone on the reds making excuses?

Umkubas
08-19-2020, 08:32 PM
I mean, Moose, Senzel, Farmer, Galvis? I would rather have Blandino right now than JVM. Can cover 3 infield positions.

Go Stanford Cardinal Baseball

RedlegsFanatic
08-19-2020, 08:34 PM
Man it sucks when ur stars get old. Especially when they are cashing checks equal to 1/4 of the entire franchiseís salary lol. Not a good day at all so far for our future HOFíer.
0-3, 2Kís, GIDP, and an error.
All while the team almost gets no-hit.
The Great Joesph Daniel Votto has definitely seen better days.
I just hope Votto, Suraez, Moose, Castellanos, Winker, etc, all play game 2.
This isnít your daddyís MLB. Every game counts as 2.7 games normally.
A ďday offĒ should not even be in these guyís vocabulary. I donít care how old u are. If ur making $10 mil+ then u should be playing in all 3 games of a triple header if they had it.

RedTeamGo!
08-19-2020, 08:38 PM
Yup and the Reds used to do it in the Dusty days. It's not always easy but with the talent on your team your guys should be able to pull through. This squad seems to play these ones like they're the Bryan Price Reds and none of this really matters.


That was the only game of four that the Cubs lost to the Royals though.

And the Cubs got swept by the Brewers and the Reds took 2 of 3.

Who cares?

Coopdaddy67
08-19-2020, 08:41 PM
Suarez is batting .118 with an OPS barely above .500.

Under he remembers how to hit, this team is going to struggle offensively.

DocRed
08-19-2020, 08:41 PM
This is not a playoff team even in this extended playoff year....sorry. Too many holes, no leadership and poor decisions by Management.

Rijo's Ghost
08-19-2020, 08:41 PM
Am I the only one that heard that? Is anyone else on MLB.TV?

Yeah, what was that?

Coopdaddy67
08-19-2020, 08:42 PM
My lineup for Game 2 would start:

Winker
Castellanos
Votto
Suarez
Moustakas

reds77
08-19-2020, 08:42 PM
Man, maybe it is best to start listening to trade offers?

Tom Servo
08-19-2020, 08:42 PM
Sagarin has the Royals & Tigers ranked 14th and 29th, fivethirtyeight has them ranked 26th and 29th. Neither team will likely make the playoffs. They are pushovers.
Even when I get on the Reds case you do this “erm, actually” bit.

JFLegal
08-19-2020, 08:49 PM
9-12 against this schedule is pathetic.

TheBigLebowski
08-19-2020, 08:49 PM
The now-infamous Thom slur is all over twitter.

REDREAD
08-19-2020, 08:50 PM
The now-infamous Thom slur is all over twitter.

I wonder if he will get fired over this.

DocRed
08-19-2020, 08:52 PM
If Bell doesn't drop Suarez in the lineup I don't know what to say...

TheBigLebowski
08-19-2020, 08:52 PM
I wonder if he will get fired over this.

He might. This is going to get some attention.

RedTeamGo!
08-19-2020, 08:53 PM
He might. This is going to get some attention.

He’s got nepotism on his side. All good.

NC-Red
08-19-2020, 08:56 PM
Need to keep losing

Jomama
08-19-2020, 09:05 PM
Even when I get on the Reds case you do this ďerm, actuallyĒ bit.

Sorry, I did agree with the remainder of your statement.

Jomama
08-19-2020, 09:08 PM
Anxiously awaiting Thom's apology for tonight's faux pas and looking forward to comparing it to his "Jack Clark is Dead" apology.

mgbrown66
08-19-2020, 09:27 PM
Ha. It’s on his Wikipedia page already.

Controversial homophobic statement on camera[edit]
On August 19, 2020 while providing commentary for a home game between the Reds and the Kansas City Royals, Brennaman made a statement referring to an undisclosed location as "the fag capital of the world."[4]