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Ron Madden
08-23-2020, 10:27 AM
First Pitch 2:15

Reds
1. Joey Votto (L) 1B
2. Nick Castellanos (R) RF
3. Jesse Winker (L) DH
4. Eugenio Suarez (R) 3B
5. Mike Moustakas (L) 2B
6. Shogo Akiyama (L) CF
7. Mark Payton (L) LF
8. Freddy Galvis (S) SS
9. Tucker Barnhart (L) C
SP Tyler Mahle (R)

Cardinals
1. Kolten Wong (L) 2B
2. Brad Miller (L) 3B
3. Paul Goldschmidt (R) DH
4. Matt Carpenter (L) 1B
5. Tyler O'Neill (R) LF
6. Yadier Molina (R) C
7. Paul DeJong (R) SS
8. Dylan Carlson (S) RF
9. Harrison Bader (R) CF
SP Daniel Ponce de Leon (R)

NebraskaRed
08-23-2020, 10:39 AM
Payton getting his first MLB start.

WVRedsFan
08-23-2020, 11:00 AM
David has a new play toy. It's called Mark Peyton. Hope the kid does well, but any new player seems to start right away. Strange.

Rolando
08-23-2020, 11:33 AM
First Pitch 2:15

Reds
1. Joey Votto (L) 1B
2. Nick Castellanos (R) RF
3. Jesse Winker (L) DH
4. Eugenio Suarez (R) 3B
5. Mike Moustakas (L) 2B
6. Shogo Akiyama (L) CF
7. Mark Payton (L) LF
8. Freddy Galvis (S) SS
9. Tucker Barnhart (L) C
SP Tyler Mahle (R)

Cardinals

SP Daniel Ponce de Leon (R)

I will post the Cardinals lineup when it becomes available

Looks like a winning lineup to me!

JFLegal
08-23-2020, 11:44 AM
let's hope the reds 'discover' their offense against ponce de leon.

Coopdaddy67
08-23-2020, 11:47 AM
Is today the day Eugenio Suarez remembers how to hit? One can hope.

Ron Madden
08-23-2020, 11:57 AM
The St. Louis lineup has been added to the original post

Umkubas
08-23-2020, 12:14 PM
Is today the day Eugenio Suarez remembers how to hit? One can hope.

$9,535,714

Ron Madden
08-23-2020, 12:25 PM
Bobby Nightengale
@nightengalejr
David Bell said Robert Stephenson is with the #Reds and will be activated from IL soon.

JFLegal
08-23-2020, 12:41 PM
$9,535,714

49 home runs in 2019. Second-most in Cincinnati Reds history.

Wonderful Monds
08-23-2020, 12:47 PM
$9,535,714


https://youtu.be/W_FRPoJIrlI

Tom Servo
08-23-2020, 12:49 PM
$9,535,714
Easily the worst bit on here.

DocRed
08-23-2020, 12:55 PM
DeJong back..of course. Looks like their starting lineup is back to full strength.

JaxRed
08-23-2020, 01:53 PM
My Tea Leaves (@tm) reading is that if Stephenson is back in next few days, Mahle goes down. And then comes back as 29th man next Saturday for DoubleHeader. Except I'm not sure if he'd be eligible to come back back. Is 29th man exempt from the 10 day rule?

Kc61
08-23-2020, 01:55 PM
Not sure about Payton, but still prefer this lineup with Winker at DH and Payton in LF.

Should be much better defensively, and Payton can’t be worse against RHP than Van Meter was.

Hopeful this will work out.

Kc61
08-23-2020, 01:58 PM
My Tea Leaves (@tm) reading is that if Stephenson is back in next few days, Mahle goes down. And then comes back as 29th man next Saturday for DoubleHeader. Except I'm not sure if he'd be eligible to come back back. Is 29th man exempt from the 10 day rule?

Under the 26th man rule, which was in place before this season, Mahle would be eligible for the doubleheader in that situation. I assume that same rule applies to the current “29th man” situation.

Alabama Red
08-23-2020, 02:00 PM
Why keep putting an automatic out in the middle of the order? Geno should play every day but get him out of the middle of the lineup until he starts producing.

Kc61
08-23-2020, 02:02 PM
Why keep putting an automatic out in the middle of the order? Geno should play every day but get him out of the middle of the lineup until he starts producing.

Who replaces Suarez in the 1-5 spots:

Shogo, Payton, Galvis, or Barnhart?

mth123
08-23-2020, 02:15 PM
Who replaces Suarez in the 1-5 spots:

Shogo, Payton, Galvis, or Barnhart?

Probably Galvis. I'm still a skeptic, but he's been hitting this year. I'd probably flip flop them.

Winker
Castellanos
Moose
Galvis
Votto
Suarez
Payton
Barnhart
Akiyama

JFLegal
08-23-2020, 02:18 PM
why is votto half-swinging there?

JFLegal
08-23-2020, 02:20 PM
really nice AB from cast. walk.

Kc61
08-23-2020, 02:21 PM
Without hits, I guess walks will have to do. Pile them on.

TheBigLebowski
08-23-2020, 02:22 PM
What the heck was that?

mhs95_06
08-23-2020, 02:22 PM
Winker past his peak of his latest hot streak.

Big Klu
08-23-2020, 02:22 PM
So I tuned in to the game today (a rare occasion), and I notice that the Reds are wearing what looks like batting practice jerseys instead of their usual red jerseys? Or did they change their design this year?

At any rate, I don't like the script "Reds". I preferred the ones that were red/white negatives of the home jerseys.

JFLegal
08-23-2020, 02:24 PM
suarez big fly!

but damn that contract.

Tom Servo
08-23-2020, 02:24 PM
Geno! :jump:

Coopdaddy67
08-23-2020, 02:24 PM
If that's the start of Suarez's season, it's very much appreciated.

RedForLife
08-23-2020, 02:24 PM
A Geno bomb!

TheBigLebowski
08-23-2020, 02:24 PM
THAT was a blast

Kc61
08-23-2020, 02:25 PM
Just watching the first four batter, looks to me like Reds are trying to be more patient today.

They were earlier in the season.

Winker an exception. He was so hot maybe nobody told him.

JFLegal
08-23-2020, 02:26 PM
moose draws a walk.

Alabama Red
08-23-2020, 02:26 PM
Who replaces Suarez in the 1-5 spots:

Shogo, Payton, Galvis, or Barnhart?
Well, not a good time for my post. I’d move moustakis up a spot and put Galvis or Votto ahead of him. If Votto I’d move Galvis to the top.

Tom Servo
08-23-2020, 02:26 PM
c'mon Shogo barrel one up

Had a pitch to hit and he just gets the end of the bat on it. Hopefully Zinter is working on this.

Ron Madden
08-23-2020, 02:28 PM
c'mon Shogo barrel one up

I like Shogo but when was the last time he hit the ball hard?

TheBigLebowski
08-23-2020, 02:29 PM
Shogo still cannot make solid contact

Big Klu
08-23-2020, 02:29 PM
I understand that the populace has been demanding this, so here it is:

Congratulations to Eugenio Suarez, who has tied Lee May for 18th place on the Reds all-time home run list.


Updated Reds HR list (players in italics are active):

Reds 100-Home Run Club
1. Johnny Bench - 389
2. Frank Robinson - 324
3. Tony Perez - 287
3. Joey Votto - 287
5. Adam Dunn - 270
6. Ted Kluszewski - 251
7. George Foster - 244
8. Jay Bruce - 233
9. Ken Griffey, Jr. - 210
10. Eric Davis - 203
11. Barry Larkin - 198
12. Brandon Phillips - 191
13. Vada Pinson - 186
14. Wally Post - 172
15. Gus Bell - 160
16. Joe Morgan - 152
16. Pete Rose - 152
18. Lee May - 147
18. Eugenio Suarez - 147
20. Dan Driessen - 133
21. Reggie Sanders - 125
22. Ernie Lombardi - 120
23. Sean Casey - 118
24. Frank McCormick - 110
25. Todd Frazier - 108
26. Dave Parker - 107
27. Chris Sabo - 104
28. Dave Concepcion - 101

Kc61
08-23-2020, 02:30 PM
Well, not a good time for my post. I’d move moustakis up a spot and put Galvis or Votto ahead of him. If Votto I’d move Galvis to the top.

Just don’t think they have enough guys hitting well to move Suarez down.

Hopefully Geno will now get going.

Ron Madden
08-23-2020, 02:30 PM
I understand that the populace has been demanding this, so here it is:

Eugenio Suarez has tied Lee May for 18th place on the Reds all-time home run list.


Updated Reds HR list (players in italics are active):

Reds 100-Home Run Club
1. Johnny Bench - 389
2. Frank Robinson - 324
3. Tony Perez - 287
3. Joey Votto - 287
5. Adam Dunn - 270
6. Ted Kluszewski - 251
7. George Foster - 244
8. Jay Bruce - 233
9. Ken Griffey, Jr. - 210
10. Eric Davis - 203
11. Barry Larkin - 198
12. Brandon Phillips - 191
13. Vada Pinson - 186
14. Wally Post - 172
15. Gus Bell - 160
16. Joe Morgan - 152
16. Pete Rose - 152
18. Lee May - 147
18. Eugenio Suarez - 147
20. Dan Driessen - 133
21. Reggie Sanders - 125
22. Ernie Lombardi - 120
23. Sean Casey - 118
24. Frank McCormick - 110
25. Todd Frazier - 108
26. Dave Parker - 107
27. Chris Sabo - 104
28. Dave Concepcion - 101

Thanks Big Klu

RedlegsFanatic
08-23-2020, 02:32 PM
Man that had to feel good for Suraez!
He really needed that, just wish he had done it yesterday when I drafted him lol.
We have a guy in our system that broke multiple rookie home run records last year that canít even get a big league uniform. Meanwhile, players like Payton, Jokewiski, Ervin, etc, are getting starts.
This couldnít be more ridiculous and needs to be addressed.

Ron Madden
08-23-2020, 02:33 PM
We need Tyler to be pitch efficient

RedsfaninMT
08-23-2020, 02:33 PM
Is today the day Eugenio Suarez remembers how to hit? One can hope.

One can hope!

BCubb2003
08-23-2020, 02:33 PM
Wong’s bright yellow shoes with the red and white striped socks makes him look like Ronald McDonald.

adkindo
08-23-2020, 02:36 PM
why not allow each player to have 4 family members allowed in the stadium.....set them 20-30 rows away from the field....that is a little more than 100 people that would not be close to the players.

Ron Madden
08-23-2020, 02:38 PM
That was a strike

AlaskaReds
08-23-2020, 02:39 PM
Reds batters had 3 or 4 questionable strikes called in the 1st inning and Mahle getting squeezed by this ump.

Big Klu
08-23-2020, 02:39 PM
Wong’s bright yellow shoes with the red and white striped socks makes him look like Ronald McDonald.

Bah da bum bah bah...

50YrRedsFan
08-23-2020, 02:39 PM
Mahle looking for trouble...missing his spots

JFLegal
08-23-2020, 02:41 PM
mahle threw about 5 strikes to get the strikeout there lol

Ron Madden
08-23-2020, 02:41 PM
A 4 strike K

JFLegal
08-23-2020, 02:42 PM
Mahle looking for trouble...missing his spots

no he wasn't. two of the ''balls" were clearly strikes.

i think he intentionally pitched around goldschmidt before that.

RedForLife
08-23-2020, 02:42 PM
Man that had to feel good for Suraez!
He really needed that, just wish he had done it yesterday when I drafted him lol.
We have a guy in our system that broke multiple rookie home run records last year that canít even get a big league uniform. Meanwhile, players like Payton, Jokewiski, Ervin, etc, are getting starts.
This couldnít be more ridiculous and needs to be addressed.

Must have something to do with that 'options' circus.

adkindo
08-23-2020, 02:42 PM
if they ever go with robot umpires, I want there to actually be robots on the field....

https://i.gifer.com/qWq.gif

AlaskaReds
08-23-2020, 02:43 PM
Mahle battles back and gets the K. This ump is completely lost though

JFLegal
08-23-2020, 02:43 PM
great job my mahle. 2-0 reds headed to the second.

Tom Servo
08-23-2020, 02:45 PM
if they ever go with robot umpires, I want there to actually be robots on the field....

https://i.gifer.com/qWq.gif
https://pcper.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/07/maxresdefault-1.jpg

"You have struck out. Please put down your bat. You have twenty seconds to comply."

JaxRed
08-23-2020, 02:45 PM
28 pitches. Needs to have a few quick innings

Kc61
08-23-2020, 02:45 PM
Mahle’s stuff seems improved this year. And it wasn’t bad last year.

With high pitch count, Reds may need to use all their best relievers. When you get to 3 under .500, games become do or die.

Rotater Cuff
08-23-2020, 02:48 PM
Payton seems kind of small for an outfielder.

Big Klu
08-23-2020, 02:49 PM
if they ever go with robot umpires, I want there to actually be robots on the field....

https://i.gifer.com/qWq.gif


https://pcper.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/07/maxresdefault-1.jpg

"You have struck out. Please put down your bat. You have twenty seconds to comply."

https://static3.srcdn.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/T800-in-Terminator-2-Judgement-Day-e1551905118715.jpg

AlaskaReds
08-23-2020, 02:50 PM
https://static3.srcdn.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/T800-in-Terminator-2-Judgement-Day-e1551905118715.jpg

You guys are cracking me up lol

Alabama Red
08-23-2020, 02:51 PM
Must have something to do with that 'options' circus.
He has already been up once this year so it’s already an option year. They can bring him up again and it’s still one option

TheBigLebowski
08-23-2020, 02:51 PM
C’mon Joe.

adkindo
08-23-2020, 02:54 PM
or we could go in a totally different direction...

https://wdef.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/06/sex-robots-1.jpg

TheBigLebowski
08-23-2020, 02:57 PM
More of the same. Guys can’t get clutch hits to save their lives.

adkindo
08-23-2020, 02:57 PM
I guess I just did not play enough baseball at a higher level because I will never understand the extreme hot and cold streaks some batters go through...

Big Klu
08-23-2020, 02:57 PM
https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/hanna-barbera/images/c/c1/J_uniblab.jpg/revision/latest/scale-to-width-down/340?cb=20190705140133

JaxRed
08-23-2020, 02:58 PM
Castellanos chases a ball out of strike zone on 2-0 pitch.

50YrRedsFan
08-23-2020, 02:58 PM
A name from the past...Brandon Liebrandt, son of ex Red Charlie Liebrandt, making his MLB debut today with the Marlins.

JFLegal
08-23-2020, 03:01 PM
dumb ump misses what should have been strike 3, then molina gets a single. fm.

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should at least be able to challenge balls/strikes. ridiculous.

AlaskaReds
08-23-2020, 03:02 PM
Mahle paints the corner to K Molina, called a ball. Molina singles a few pitches later.

JFLegal
08-23-2020, 03:02 PM
rookie ump no less. not that his veteran peers are any good at it either.

Kc61
08-23-2020, 03:03 PM
Molina ran up Mahle’s pitch count then singled, tough at bat. Reds will need to get Sims up pretty early today. 39 pitches with no outs in the second.

One out, good K by Mahle.

Ron Madden
08-23-2020, 03:03 PM
rookie ump no less. not that his veteran peers are any good at it either.

Cozarts donkey could do a better job. ;)

JFLegal
08-23-2020, 03:05 PM
Cozarts donkey could do a better job. ;)

omg, i forgot about that. lmao.

JFLegal
08-23-2020, 03:06 PM
nice play by barnhart. two out. runner on first.

Ron Madden
08-23-2020, 03:06 PM
Nice play Barnhart

TheBigLebowski
08-23-2020, 03:06 PM
Any news on Senzel?

reds77
08-23-2020, 03:08 PM
Tie game.

adkindo
08-23-2020, 03:08 PM
Bader again?!?!?

:bang:

ZakkW
08-23-2020, 03:08 PM
Two-out HR aka the Tyler Mahle special

TheBigLebowski
08-23-2020, 03:08 PM
These bozos can’t even keep Bader in the yard. He’s terrible.

Tom Servo
08-23-2020, 03:08 PM
Brutal

AlaskaReds
08-23-2020, 03:08 PM
Tie game, that one is on this ump and his inability to call consistent strikes.

TheBigLebowski
08-23-2020, 03:10 PM
Mahle has thrown 53 pitches and the 2nd is still going.

Kc61
08-23-2020, 03:10 PM
Terrible pitch by Mahle considering the kind of stuff heís showing today.

Just a big mistake pitch, which often plagues him.

Reed had (hopefully in the past) the same problem.

BluegrassRedleg
08-23-2020, 03:10 PM
Total meat.

TheBigLebowski
08-23-2020, 03:11 PM
Now he’s balking. What a dork.

Stray
08-23-2020, 03:13 PM
Man this game is taking forever

adkindo
08-23-2020, 03:16 PM
Now he’s balking. What a dork.

"dork"....very popular when I was a kid, but I rarely ever hear today

Kc61
08-23-2020, 03:18 PM
Suarez swings at ball four and is the second out.

Umkubas
08-23-2020, 03:19 PM
Suarez swings at ball four and is the second out.

7 pitch out

TheBigLebowski
08-23-2020, 03:20 PM
Mikey got all of that one, but the park held it.

Kc61
08-23-2020, 03:20 PM
Reds now with 7 hits in their last 21 innings.

adkindo
08-23-2020, 03:20 PM
this lineup needs something....1 hit again today. Just try anything.....put Winker back in the leadoff spot. Try something different to see if it can spark some hits.

Kc61
08-23-2020, 03:21 PM
this lineup needs something....1 hit again today. Just try anything.....put Winker back in the leadoff spot. Try something different to see if it can spark some hits.

Most of the hitters are failing. You can put them in any order you want.

ochoa30
08-23-2020, 03:23 PM
How can this team be hitting so poorly? I just don’t get it. Every single player besides Winker is underperforming. It’s wild.

TheBigLebowski
08-23-2020, 03:24 PM
How can this team be hitting so poorly? I just don’t get it. Every single player besides Winker is underperforming. It’s wild.

It’s not their fault. It’s who we are. The suck enters the bloodstream the moment they put on the jersey.

BluegrassRedleg
08-23-2020, 03:26 PM
How can this team be hitting so poorly? I just don’t get it. Every single player besides Winker is underperforming. It’s wild.

People have long debated leadership in baseball, but I don't sense any leadership or sense of urgency from this team's everyday players.

Kc61
08-23-2020, 03:27 PM
How can this team be hitting so poorly? I just don’t get it. Every single player besides Winker is underperforming. It’s wild.

The usual pattern is that a team slumps, everybody starts to press, and the problem gets worse.

The unacceptable part is that Reds have folllowed that pattern to open each of the last three seasons.

And there year there isn’t time to recover.

ZakkW
08-23-2020, 03:28 PM
Shocking... another 2-out run scoring basehit given up by Mahle

Tom Servo
08-23-2020, 03:28 PM
You’d think it was still 2011 the way Molina is playing this series

Kc61
08-23-2020, 03:28 PM
People have long debated leadership in baseball, but I don't sense any leadership or sense of urgency from this team's everyday players.

I don’t buy this one bit. There is absolutely no basis for it.

They are failing at the baseball skills, hitting, fielding, some pitching.

BluegrassRedleg
08-23-2020, 03:29 PM
Meat. Again.

Tom Servo
08-23-2020, 03:29 PM
I’d call it a day for Mahle, don’t think it’s gonna get any better from here.

TheBigLebowski
08-23-2020, 03:31 PM
Mahle’s a potato.

JFLegal
08-23-2020, 03:31 PM
let's go shogo, clap, clap, clap clap clap.

Ron Madden
08-23-2020, 03:31 PM
Alright Shogo

TheBigLebowski
08-23-2020, 03:31 PM
That one was barreled! First one of the year.

TheBigLebowski
08-23-2020, 03:32 PM
Was Mark Payton the guy who played Tyrion Lannister?

adkindo
08-23-2020, 03:33 PM
this feels like the longest game....

Kc61
08-23-2020, 03:33 PM
Low ball umpire.

Alabama Red
08-23-2020, 03:35 PM
Umpire gave two strikes to them on MP’s AB.

BluegrassRedleg
08-23-2020, 03:35 PM
I don’t buy this one bit. There is absolutely no basis for it.

They are failing at the baseball skills, hitting, fielding, some pitching.

Normally, I'd concur. But the original question was how is it affecting almost every guy but one on the roster. That indicates to me that something is missing.

JFLegal
08-23-2020, 03:37 PM
this offense could make any scrub pitcher look at least decent, or perhaps like cy young.

adkindo
08-23-2020, 03:37 PM
maybe should have let Galvis go, and kept Iglesias

TheBigLebowski
08-23-2020, 03:40 PM
And now freaking Barnhart is trying to bunt his way on.

Ron Madden
08-23-2020, 03:40 PM
Bobby Nightengale
@nightengalejr
Trevor Bauer on the #Reds' roster with the trade deadline in a week: "I think that everyone here feels like we have the pieces we need to win and win a lot. ... We all feel that we have what we need. We just have to find a way to do it on a nightly basis."

mhs95_06
08-23-2020, 03:41 PM
This rookie ump is paying too much attention to calling swing or no swing(let the down the line umps worry about that), and not enough attention to seeing if the pitch went thru the strike zone or not.

Kc61
08-23-2020, 03:41 PM
Normally, I'd concur. But the original question was how is it affecting almost every guy but one on the roster. That indicates to me that something is missing.

There is absolutely nothing to indicate a lack of leadership or urgency. It is completely unfounded. It’s what fans say out of frustration when they see bad baseball.

Batting slumps become contagious and get magnified by pressing. That is the common reason for these kinds of team slumps.

TheBigLebowski
08-23-2020, 03:42 PM
Good start Mikey boy

mhs95_06
08-23-2020, 03:44 PM
maybe should have let Galvis go, and kept Iglesias

I would agree after Iggy signed for what he did, but the opportunity to get Galvis needed to be taken before they would know about Iggy. I think they made the prudent choice at the time.

Tom Servo
08-23-2020, 03:44 PM
There is absolutely nothing to indicate a lack of leadership or urgency. It is completely unfounded. It’s what fans say out of frustration when they see bad baseball.

Batting slumps become contagious and get magnified by pressing. That is the common reason for these kinds of team slumps.
It's been like a three year slump though. I just don't understand on it's on face, this is a team with talent. So I do start to believe there's a problem with leadership or an internal flame that isn't being sparked, the kind of things that the Reds finally got when they traded for Rolen.

Ron Madden
08-23-2020, 03:47 PM
Good Play!

BluegrassRedleg
08-23-2020, 03:47 PM
There is absolutely nothing to indicate a lack of leadership or urgency. It is completely unfounded. Itís what fans say out of frustration when they see bad baseball.

Batting slumps become contagious and get magnified by pressing. That is the common reason for these kinds of team slumps.

Sometimes it is, sometimes it is not.

You're 26 games into a season. Not a week. Not two weeks. THOSE are team slumps for MLB teams. Something *might* be missing. It's not "completely unfounded" to suggest it as a mere possibility.

adkindo
08-23-2020, 03:47 PM
nice play to save a run!

TheBigLebowski
08-23-2020, 03:47 PM
Really nice play

JFLegal
08-23-2020, 03:48 PM
i enjoyed the latter part of that half-inning. ;)

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lil momentum builder there, perhaps.

mhs95_06
08-23-2020, 03:50 PM
I think Moose threw that in the dirt on purpose for some reason. And because of having to field it on the bounce with his glove going up, Tucker actually missed the tag and the Cards declined to challenge.

ochoa30
08-23-2020, 03:51 PM
It's been like a three year slump though. I just don't understand on it's on face, this is a team with talent. So I do start to believe there's a problem with leadership or an internal flame that isn't being sparked, the kind of things that the Reds finally got when they traded for Rolen.

Exactly. Look around the league and even bad teams are hitting better with clearly less talent. It has to be the leadership. We see that the pitching is clearly getting it done or at least the starters yet the hitters are just stuck in a 3 year rut while we’ve changed personnel and coaching. It’s hard to wrap your head around.

JFLegal
08-23-2020, 03:52 PM
nick the slick with a double.

50YrRedsFan
08-23-2020, 03:52 PM
The shift has really affected Votto's offensive game.

Ron Madden
08-23-2020, 03:52 PM
There you go Castellanos double!

Ron Madden
08-23-2020, 03:55 PM
Da Wink with da walk

adkindo
08-23-2020, 03:55 PM
it appeared the Reds clearly made the better choice with Castellanos ver Ozuna a couple weeks ago....but Ozuna has been very good recently and now is having a better season in many ways

TheBigLebowski
08-23-2020, 03:56 PM
The shift has really affected Votto's offensive game.

Time and tide had a greater effect.

BluegrassRedleg
08-23-2020, 03:56 PM
The Secret Card says: "Don't throw anything in the zone. This guy will get himself out."

Ron Madden
08-23-2020, 03:56 PM
it appeared the Reds clearly made the better choice with Castellanos ver Ozuna a couple weeks ago....but Ozuna has been very good recently and now is having a better season in many ways

I'd much rather have Nick

Big Klu
08-23-2020, 04:00 PM
The Secret Card says: "Don't throw anything in the zone. This guy will get himself out."

I thought it said, "Go to jail. Go directly to jail. Do not pass Go. Do not collect $200."

Umkubas
08-23-2020, 04:00 PM
The Secret Card says: "Don't throw anything in the zone. This guy will get himself out."

5 pitch strikeout

50YrRedsFan
08-23-2020, 04:00 PM
Suarez K's.

Alabama Red
08-23-2020, 04:02 PM
Time and tide had a greater effect.
He went from 1 vote shy of the MVP to bad in one year. I think it’s just a combination of age, the shift, pitchers going after him more and he looks like he chopping at the ball. His swing just doesn’t look fluid. Either way, he’s not getting back to what he was and he needs to be at the end of the lineup.

JaxRed
08-23-2020, 04:02 PM
Votto now below .700 OPS

Tom Servo
08-23-2020, 04:02 PM
If only the Reds had hitters as good as Harrison Bader and Yadier Molina.

TheBigLebowski
08-23-2020, 04:03 PM
Nice AB, Moosey.

Big Klu
08-23-2020, 04:04 PM
The Secret Card says: "Don't throw anything in the zone. This guy will get himself out."


I thought it said, "Go to jail. Go directly to jail. Do not pass Go. Do not collect $200."

Turns out that it said, "Get out of jail free."

TheBigLebowski
08-23-2020, 04:04 PM
Votto now below .700 OPS

That’s fantastic production from a premier offensive spot.

adkindo
08-23-2020, 04:06 PM
That’s fantastic production from a premier offensive spot.

he said he would walk away if he could not play to his level of expectations.....I do not believe him.

50YrRedsFan
08-23-2020, 04:07 PM
It must be the water in Ohio. The Reds and Indians are tied (before today's games) for the worst team batting average in MLB at .209.

TheBigLebowski
08-23-2020, 04:07 PM
he said he would walk away if he could not play to his level of expectations.....I do not believe him.

He may consider it in the offseason. But he’s not leaving that kind of money on the table.

Alabama Red
08-23-2020, 04:09 PM
He may consider it in the offseason. But he’s not leaving that kind of money on the table.
I think they may work out some type of deal. You know he has to be embarrassed and isn’t going to want to run out there the next 4 years looking like this.

TheBigLebowski
08-23-2020, 04:13 PM
I think they may work out some type of deal. You know he has to be embarrassed and isn’t going to want to run out there the next 4 years looking like this.

I think he really believes he can get back to where he was if he keeps working at it and choking up more & more on the bat.

Hope I’m wrong, because he’s not helping this team do anything except lose.

BluegrassRedleg
08-23-2020, 04:13 PM
Seem to be getting Lorenzen right. Or at least a lot less shaky.

adkindo
08-23-2020, 04:15 PM
I think he really believes he can get back to where he was if he keeps working at it and choking up more & more on the bat.

Hope I’m wrong, because he’s not helping this team do anything except lose.

this year looks much worse to me at the plate compared to even last year.....he just looks overmatched at the plate

Kc61
08-23-2020, 04:16 PM
Ervin out. Has a .107 BA.

JaxRed
08-23-2020, 04:16 PM
He's toughed his way thru a couple innings without his best stuff. I kind of expect Jones next.

RedlegsFanatic
08-23-2020, 04:17 PM
I had super high hopes for Shogo being a staple at the lead off spot for a few years.
But it looks like he was all hype and Cincinnati just wasted a bunch of money.
Here we are with Votto still leading off and popping up weakly to left field every other at bat just like the past 2 years.
It’s getting old.

RedTeamGo!
08-23-2020, 04:17 PM
Votto is not going to give back any of his contract, folks. Even if he’s batting .100 over 4 months. Not happening. If it gets to that point the reds need to just use him a pinch hitter. It is what it is. It’s not his fault the reds decided to not for it from his age 32-36 seasons.

Tom Servo
08-23-2020, 04:19 PM
:sleep:

JaxRed
08-23-2020, 04:20 PM
Guess well see Jankowski now in cf

Kc61
08-23-2020, 04:20 PM
Votto is not going to give back any of his contract, folks. Even if he’s batting .100 over 4 months. Not happening. If it gets to that point the reds need to just use him a pinch hitter. It is what it is. It’s not his fault the reds decided to not for it from his age 32-36 seasons.

The first step would be to move Votto down to sixth in the lineup. I always expected that would happen eventually. Down to seventh if necessary.

Joey will not accept this 60-game season as indicative of anything. He’ll be around next year.

ochoa30
08-23-2020, 04:21 PM
:sleep:

There can’t be a more boring team to watch right now on offense

50YrRedsFan
08-23-2020, 04:21 PM
Reds hitters really making the Cardinal pitchers work. 4 pitch inning for Cabrera.

TheBigLebowski
08-23-2020, 04:23 PM
Freaking Janky is going to be a big part of this huge comeback.

This is the stuff that drives fans crazy.

We’re down a run in the 7th and we put in a defensive specialist.

Kc61
08-23-2020, 04:25 PM
Reds now have 9 hits in the last 24 innings.

That’s one hit every 2 2/3 inning.

Red Raindog
08-23-2020, 04:26 PM
Reds now have 9 hits in the last 24 innings.

Thatís one hit every 2 2/3 inning.

You act like that is bad


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Tom Servo
08-23-2020, 04:27 PM
Reds now have 9 hits in the last 24 innings.

Thatís one hit every 2 2/3 inning.

Is that bad

Kc61
08-23-2020, 04:27 PM
You act like that is bad


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It means that your second hit generally would come in the fifth inning of each game, assuming the hits were evenly spread out.

TexasRedsFan
08-23-2020, 04:27 PM
I had super high hopes for Shogo being a staple at the lead off spot for a few years.
But it looks like he was all hype and Cincinnati just wasted a bunch of money.
Here we are with Votto still leading off and popping up weakly to left field every other at bat just like the past 2 years.
It’s getting old.

I had high hopes and have been disappointed also. But I still think he'll end up much better than this. He is facing pitchers he's never seen every single day, plus still getting adjusted to everyday baseball life in America. If it weren't such a short season and he had more time to get into a rhythm, I wouldn't be as concerned. He does seem to have good raw talent, especially on d. Hopefully we'll start to see a consistent bat soon.

Tom Servo
08-23-2020, 04:28 PM
I had high hopes and have been disappointed also. But I still think he'll end up much better than this. He is facing pitchers he's never seen every single day, plus still getting adjusted to everyday baseball life in America. If it weren't such a short season and he had more time to get into a rhythm, I wouldn't be as concerned. He does seem to have good raw talent, especially on d. Hopefully we'll start to see a consistent bat soon.
He’s also not even reached 70 PAs yet. Yeah the early returns aren’t great but he certainly deserves some more rope.

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It’s so funny that the bullpen mostly stabilizes as soon as the offense truly goes into the toilet.

Kc61
08-23-2020, 04:30 PM
Is that bad

It comes out to 3.375 hits per nine innings.

adkindo
08-23-2020, 04:30 PM
Freaking Janky is going to be a big part of this huge comeback.

This is the stuff that drives fans crazy.

Weíre down a run in the 7th and we put in a defensive specialist.

David Bell is worthless.

malcontent
08-23-2020, 04:30 PM
I miss the old days of Bob C. and "the losing stops now".

REDREAD
08-23-2020, 04:31 PM
I am not able to pay full attention to the game, but I noticed we are down a run , Jankowski did not start, but now
he's in the game.. WTF Bell.. Yes, I am sure there was a pinch hitter or something, but why not put Ervin or Shogo in CF (I can't remember which one started).

ochoa30
08-23-2020, 04:32 PM
Will the offense got hot at some point is the only question that needs to be asked. If I’m answering I say no and I think the Reds should seriously considering selling in a year where there’s gonna be so many buyers. You may be able to get a game changer and that’s what this team truly needs.

TheBigLebowski
08-23-2020, 04:33 PM
Good Lord. Votto is just a black hole.

RedTeamGo!
08-23-2020, 04:33 PM
Oh Joey

Red Raindog
08-23-2020, 04:33 PM
It means that your second hit generally would come in the fifth inning of each game, assuming the hits were evenly spread out.

You should not expect much more

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adkindo
08-23-2020, 04:34 PM
If it gets to that point the reds need to just use him a pinch hitter. It is what it is.

I think we are there...

Edskin
08-23-2020, 04:35 PM
Tough to see what has become of Votto. Father Time gets us all.

Monster Man
08-23-2020, 04:36 PM
Does David Bell have a crush on Travis Jankowski? The guy can’t hit and shouldn’t be on a MLB team yet Aquino is a forgotten player. The team needs offense, not a defense/speed guy.

RedTeamGo!
08-23-2020, 04:36 PM
Keep in mind Joey is a notorious slow starter. If this were a regular year we would be in like the first week May or something right now.

I know it sucks, but if that were the case people would not be freaking out as much right now.

Kc61
08-23-2020, 04:37 PM
Does David Bell have a crush on Travis Jankowski? The guy canít hit and shouldnít be on a MLB team yet Aquino is a forgotten player. The team needs offense, not a defense/speed guy.

I guess you donít watch when Reds are in the field. Like the bloopfest yesterday.

50YrRedsFan
08-23-2020, 04:37 PM
I can't remember the last time the Reds scored without a HR

ochoa30
08-23-2020, 04:38 PM
Tough to see what has become of Votto. Father Time gets us all.

At least he has an excuse. Whatís the deal with the rest of these guys?

TexasRedsFan
08-23-2020, 04:38 PM
Especially with the way he's hitting now, Votto is clearly not a fit at leadoff. Who else could they try there?

Winker's hit there before, but if his power stroke continues, he's probably better to have in an rbi spot. Galvis doesn't have high enough OBP for leadoff. Shogo fits the profile, but he's not consistent enough yet. Senzel works if he can ever stay healthy. So frustrating to watch this bunch continue to flounder.

Monster Man
08-23-2020, 04:40 PM
They are struggling more offensively. For the most part, defense isn’t losing them games.

adkindo
08-23-2020, 04:40 PM
I guess you don’t watch when Reds are in the field. Like the bloopfest yesterday.

defense does not matter if you can't score

Rotater Cuff
08-23-2020, 04:41 PM
I can visualize Aquino as the DH. He would certainly have hit many home runs by now, although his average might be as low as a the top 3 of the batting order. What did he do to get on Bell's bad side?

Kc61
08-23-2020, 04:42 PM
defense does not matter if you can't score

For weak hitting teams, run prevention is more important, not less important.

Pitching and defense always matters in baseball.

BluegrassRedleg
08-23-2020, 04:43 PM
Just walk this SOB.


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malcontent
08-23-2020, 04:43 PM
At least he has an excuse. What’s the deal with the rest of these guys?
I think it's obvious that there is no sense of urgency.

I also think this team will never win with Bell as manager, and cannot overcome a 0.700-ish OPS bat at 1B or DH....no matter where you try to hide it in the order.

Monster Man
08-23-2020, 04:45 PM
For weak hitting teams, run prevention is more important, not less important.

Pitching and defense always matters.

Pitching and defense are important. You can’t win if you don’t hit, it’s that simple.

BluegrassRedleg
08-23-2020, 04:45 PM
0-2 to Carpenter.

0-2 to Molina.

Idiot team.


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Kc61
08-23-2020, 04:46 PM
Reds seem to love Nate Jones.

I don’t see it.

Thornburgh looks by far the best of the “bounce back” relievers.

Ron Madden
08-23-2020, 04:46 PM
Nice Catch!

Ironman92
08-23-2020, 04:46 PM
Not a Jones fan

Tom Servo
08-23-2020, 04:47 PM
Likely gonna drop 3 of 4 because you couldnít do enough against Wainwright, Ponce De Leon, and Kim and couldnít contain Bader, Molina, and Carpenter.

Just awful stuff

Ironman92
08-23-2020, 04:47 PM
What a catch!

Rotater Cuff
08-23-2020, 04:47 PM
Keep in mind Joey is a notorious slow starter. If this were a regular year we would be in like the first week May or something right now.

I know it sucks, but if that were the case people would not be freaking out as much right now.

Was he as notorious of a slow starter the first 10 years of his career? Seems to be a narrative of his more recently

adkindo
08-23-2020, 04:48 PM
I also think this team will never win with Bell as manager

50YrRedsFan
08-23-2020, 04:48 PM
0-2 to Carpenter.

0-2 to Molina.

Idiot team.


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Not idiots, just below average major leaguers for the most part.

BluegrassRedleg
08-23-2020, 04:49 PM
The Cardinals just have to laugh themselves to sleep every night before facing these guys.


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Bunting Bad
08-23-2020, 04:49 PM
Molina is averaging 5.14 hits per nine innings in his last 4 at bats. Impressive.

Ron Madden
08-23-2020, 04:49 PM
OUCH! That hurts

Edskin
08-23-2020, 04:50 PM
Hilarious. Cards announcers predict his first ever HR... he falls behind 0-2 and then does it. Announcers just laugh.

The Reds, are quite literally, a joke.

Ironman92
08-23-2020, 04:51 PM
Just donít like Jonesís straight ball. Once used to the delivery his ball doesnít move

Kc61
08-23-2020, 04:52 PM
Reds have had some bad luck with hitters.

But some of these bullpen decisions are on them.

This is actual major league play, the games count. Not a tryout camp for relievers who once showed promise.

Tom Servo
08-23-2020, 04:52 PM
Alright no more Nate Jones, he’s a pumpkin again

BluegrassRedleg
08-23-2020, 04:52 PM
Just don’t like Jones’s straight ball. Once used to the delivery his ball doesn’t move

Ondrusek 2020

RedlegsFanatic
08-23-2020, 04:52 PM
Iím done with Nate Jones.
Just like our entire coaching staff, heís a joke that has no business in MLB.
The Cardinals could bring up their AA team into Buch and take 3 of 4 from the Reds in their sleep.
Canít believe I drank the 2020 kool-aid.
I feel so foolish.
I mean.... it doesnít take a baseball genius to know you absolutely CAN NOT give Yadi Molina anything up in the zone in that situation with a 1-2 count. And what exactly does he do? Lmao

wally post
08-23-2020, 04:52 PM
Wong has Ronald McDonald shoes on

Monster Man
08-23-2020, 04:53 PM
Send Nate Jones back to the garbage heap where they found him. This team is so painful to watch.

TheBigLebowski
08-23-2020, 04:53 PM
Hilarious. Cards announcers predict his first ever HR... he falls behind 0-2 and then does it. Announcers just laugh.

The Reds, are quite literally, a joke.

They are a complete joke. I really hope they sell big time by the deadline. Team is full of clowns.

50YrRedsFan
08-23-2020, 04:53 PM
This is a poorly constructed team. Poor defense, poor offense, absolutely no speed. Until the Reds brass changes how and who they give contracts to, it will remain as is.

marcshoe
08-23-2020, 04:54 PM
I hate this new rule where a relief pitcher has to give up four runs before you can take him out.

Kc61
08-23-2020, 04:54 PM
Alright no more Nate Jones, he’s a pumpkin again

Bring up R. Stephenson, send down Jones.

Then switch Mahle to the bullpen and use Antone as sixth starter required by doubleheaders.

Or just move on to next season.

Ron Madden
08-23-2020, 04:55 PM
Jones will most likely be sent down when they activate BobSteve

ochoa30
08-23-2020, 04:55 PM
Tyler Stephenson. Bring him up. Maybe Garcia too. Team has no youth and it shows.

Edskin
08-23-2020, 04:56 PM
I just keep telling myself, thank God for the blessing of a 60 game season. I cannot imagine watching this team play an additional 100 games.

BluegrassRedleg
08-23-2020, 04:56 PM
The bad part of this is STL sucks. And that will be made evident once they quit playing the inept dog and pony show from Cincinnati.

Tom Servo
08-23-2020, 04:57 PM
This is a poorly constructed team. Poor defense, poor offense, absolutely no speed. Until the Reds brass changes how and who they give contracts to, it will remain as is.
Oh yeah speed was the real problem today.

mhs95_06
08-23-2020, 04:58 PM
I hate this new rule where a relief pitcher has to give up four runs before you can take him out.

That apparently includes inherited runners on base, which actually could make it up to six total!

RedlegsFanatic
08-23-2020, 04:58 PM
Does Caleb Cotham’s grandfather own a % of the Reds or something?
Dude couldn’t get my sister out and yet somehow the Reds have not only traded the best closet in the game at the time for him, but now hired him as assistant pitching coach and director of pitching. He not only couldn’t pitch his way out of a paper bag, he can’t teach it either. Unreal. This franchise makes moves that absolutely blow my mind.

TheBigLebowski
08-23-2020, 05:00 PM
The bad part of this is STL sucks. And that will be made evident once they quit playing the inept dog and pony show from Cincinnati.

Just like the Royals, Tigers and Pirates. All of these teams had their best showings against the Deds. And Cleveland’s pitching staff will not look that good again this year. Carrasco has absolutely imploded since The Boys with Balsa Wood Bats & Blindfolds visited.

EnglishRed
08-23-2020, 05:00 PM
The bad part of this is STL sucks. And that will be made evident once they quit playing the inept dog and pony show from Cincinnati.

This is the worrying thing for me. They were on the ropes with Covid and we've rolled over for them...

RedlegsFanatic
08-23-2020, 05:00 PM
I hate this new rule where a relief pitcher has to give up four runs before you can take him out.

Making pitchers face 3 hitters is garbage also.
That’s not baseball.
If I want to carry an extra pitcher to use as a looguy, then I should be able to bring him in for 1 guy. You have to remember that makes my bench with 1 less guy.

50YrRedsFan
08-23-2020, 05:00 PM
Oh yeah speed was the real problem today.

Lack of speed is a problem every day when the team has trouble scoring.

Kc61
08-23-2020, 05:00 PM
Jones will most likely be sent down when they activate BobSteve

Now that the damage is done. Jones should never have pitched today. This was an important game, only down one run.

Sims was available he had yesterday off.

Jones has not pitched a full MLB season since 2016.

Reds seem fascinated with him, so they pay the price.

RedlegsFanatic
08-23-2020, 05:01 PM
Actually a good call, but 1st time I’ve ever seen it called.

Coopdaddy67
08-23-2020, 05:01 PM
Bell and the home plate umpire wearing masks without covering their nose while arguing amuses me.

Rolando
08-23-2020, 05:02 PM
Now that the damage is done. Jones should never have pitched today. This was an important game, only down one run.

Sims was available he had yesterday off.

Jones has not pitched a full MLB season since 2016. Throwing important games away.
What a garbage call by the umpire. Sorry KC that had nothing to do with your post didn't mean to tag on

RedlegsFanatic
08-23-2020, 05:03 PM
What if we had robotic strike zone?
Who makes that call on Winker?

NebraskaRed
08-23-2020, 05:03 PM
9 hits total for the past 3 games.

Jomama
08-23-2020, 05:03 PM
Molina has single-handedly out hit the Reds 4-3 today.

mhs95_06
08-23-2020, 05:03 PM
Winker isn't as good at it as Rizzo and Deitrich! Neither is Votto!

RedlegsFanatic
08-23-2020, 05:03 PM
What a garbage call by the umpire

Not really, per the rule book, it was the right call.
Umps just don’t call it.

adkindo
08-23-2020, 05:04 PM
Actually a good call, but 1st time I’ve ever seen it called.

yeah, Winker clearly leaned into it.....I do not understand why the only guy that has been hitting for almost 2 weeks is trying to take a base by getting hit when we are down 4 runs in the 8th?

Alabama Red
08-23-2020, 05:04 PM
This team is just not good. Starting pitching doesn’t matter when you can’t score runs and the bullpen gives up runs like ours does. I’d talked myself into thinking we would turn it around but after this series we’re done. We have about 10-11 players in the team that we should keep and deal the day at the deadline or dump them after the season. We need a rebuild.

50YrRedsFan
08-23-2020, 05:04 PM
Only the Reds can do these kind of things.

RedlegsFanatic
08-23-2020, 05:05 PM
Might as well get used to the idea of watching yet another post season that doesn’t include the Reds.
No chance they are winning anything with this coaching staff and GM.
Unfortunately.
Hope I’m wrong, but I’m not.

Alabama Red
08-23-2020, 05:05 PM
Not really, per the rule book, it was the right call.
Umps just don’t call it.

I called it all the time in high school and every now and then they’ll call it in college. Never seen in in an MLB game.

WVRedsFan
08-23-2020, 05:06 PM
Lord, this is a mess my team is in. Great starting pitching most of the time and then bringing in not ready for prime time players. This learning on big show time makes it hard to watch, though I will watch every night. Just frustrating

Rolando
08-23-2020, 05:06 PM
Not really, per the rule book, it was the right call.
Umps just don’t call it.

Will you have to call it every it everytime not just what the pitcher complains

RedlegsFanatic
08-23-2020, 05:07 PM
How is Cody reed STILL making money playing baseball? This is unreal.

malcontent
08-23-2020, 05:07 PM
Ondrusek 2020
I had high hopes for that guy.

50YrRedsFan
08-23-2020, 05:08 PM
How is Cody reed STILL making money playing baseball? This is unreal.

Because the Reds don't want to pay the money better players demand.

RedlegsFanatic
08-23-2020, 05:08 PM
I’d rather have Brandon Phillips DHing or playing everyday than 1/3 of the guys David bell is running out there.

Rolando
08-23-2020, 05:09 PM
How is Cody reed STILL making money playing baseball? This is unreal.
To be fair Joey votto is still making money playing baseball and that blows my mind

mhs95_06
08-23-2020, 05:09 PM
What if we had robotic strike zone?
Who makes that call on Winker?

The human ump calls the HBP and the robot's buzzer in his pocket indicates the pitch was in the zone, and takes precedence. Human umps are responsible for HBPs, fouls or not, balks, baserunning outs at home, catchers interference, batters interference, etc.