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Ron Madden
08-30-2020, 11:08 AM
First Pitch 1:10 PM


Reds
1. Joey Votto (L) 1B
2. Nick Castellanos (R) RF
3. Jesse Winker (L) DH
4. Eugenio Suarez (R) 3B
5. Mike Moustakas (L) 2B
6. Jose Garcia (R) SS
7. Mark Payton (L) LF
8. Shogo Akiyama (L) CF
9. Tucker Barnhart (L) C
SP Luis Castillo (R)


Cubs
1. Ian Happ (S) CF
2. Anthony Rizzo (L) 1B
3. Javier Baez (R) SS
4. Kyle Schwarber (L) LF
5. Willson Contreras (R) C
6. Jason Heyward (L) RF
7. Jason Kipnis (L) DH
8. David Bote (R) 3B
9. Nico Hoerner (R) 2B
SP Tyler Chatwood (R)

Bruce Berenyi
08-30-2020, 11:36 AM
i knew the anencephalics wouldnt start aquino

Ironman92
08-30-2020, 11:50 AM
Letís win

Bruce Berenyi
08-30-2020, 12:08 PM
i figured out why he was optioned, he didnt get the save

Reds
08-30-2020, 12:32 PM
Aquino is stuck in the doghouse.

JaxRed
08-30-2020, 12:32 PM
I don't know who is available in bullpen for today. Really need a strong game from Castillo.

Reds
08-30-2020, 12:39 PM
I don't know who is available in bullpen for today. Really need a strong game from Castillo.

Word on the street is they're trying to complete a trade to bring reed back to pitch the sixth and seventh inning today

Bruce Berenyi
08-30-2020, 12:56 PM
everyone is available in the strong and deep bullpen , right?

JaxRed
08-30-2020, 01:20 PM
Nice inning. Ideally would have been a touch more pitch efficient.

Tom Servo
08-30-2020, 01:27 PM
Castellanos didn’t miss that one by much, damn

JaxRed
08-30-2020, 01:28 PM
Castellanos didn’t miss that one by much, damn

I thought it was gone. Winker and Votto go quietly.

Bruce Berenyi
08-30-2020, 01:30 PM
wow they are bad again what jabronis

TheBigLebowski
08-30-2020, 01:32 PM
Luis needs to have his best game today. 3 out of 4 from the Cubs would be huge.

mhs95_06
08-30-2020, 01:36 PM
Castillo throws to wild ones to Heyward to go behind 2-0, then 3-0, then 3-2, and then throws a great pitch that just dips below the zone and Heyward takes it for ball 4. If he just wouldn't have started out 2-0, he would have been fine and saved himself about 6 pitches!

WrongVerb
08-30-2020, 01:36 PM
Very heady play by Garcia there.

TheBigLebowski
08-30-2020, 01:37 PM
Garcia is the savior

JaxRed
08-30-2020, 01:37 PM
Reds avoided major problem when Garcia made that tag.

BCubb2003
08-30-2020, 01:37 PM
Whatever else is going on, it looks like the Jose Garcia Era is going to be a treat.

TheBigLebowski
08-30-2020, 01:37 PM
Do all these umps have awful strike zones?

JaxRed
08-30-2020, 01:38 PM
Castillo throws to wild ones to Heyward to go behind 2-0, then 3-0, then 3-2, and then throws a great pitch that just dips below the zone and Heyward takes it for ball 4. If he just wouldn't have started out 2-0, he would have been fine and saved himself about 6 pitches!

Yep, with bullpen taxed by DH yesterday we need him to be efficient, and it's not happening.

mhs95_06
08-30-2020, 01:39 PM
Castellanos not to good the last 2 days on ball security after he has the ball in the glove!

NCReds
08-30-2020, 01:39 PM
That should have been a strikeout. The first pitch was clearly in the zone and for some reason the ump called it a ball??

Coopdaddy67
08-30-2020, 01:39 PM
Castellanos needs to submerge his glove in pine tar.

JaxRed
08-30-2020, 01:40 PM
Castellanos managed to turn a really nice play into a bad one.

TheBigLebowski
08-30-2020, 01:41 PM
Might need to consider DH’ing Castellanos

Coopdaddy67
08-30-2020, 01:42 PM
Nice job by Castillo escaping that jam, but he needs a couple clean innings now.

TheBigLebowski
08-30-2020, 01:43 PM
Whew. Good play Luis

JaxRed
08-30-2020, 01:44 PM
Might need to consider DH’ing Castellanos

Gotta keep him happy....so gotta keep him in right.

44 pitches for Castillo. At this rate he'll have trouble completing 5.

Tom Servo
08-30-2020, 01:44 PM
Glad he got out of that but man that inning is the kind of thing Luis has had to deal with way too much this year, bad breaks and mistimed positioning and guys screwing up.

TheBigLebowski
08-30-2020, 01:47 PM
Looking less and less likely that Suarez completely wipes out this slump. I just hope he ends the season over .200.

podgejeff_
08-30-2020, 01:48 PM
Moose with the line drive single.

TheBigLebowski
08-30-2020, 01:48 PM
That was a barrel

podgejeff_
08-30-2020, 01:49 PM
That was just unlucky.

JaxRed
08-30-2020, 01:50 PM
Nice swing by Garcia. They seriously need to move Suarez don to about 7th,

TheBigLebowski
08-30-2020, 01:51 PM
So much bad luck.

Had that been Castellanos he’d have head-butted the ball into the Ohio,

podgejeff_
08-30-2020, 01:51 PM
So much bad luck.

Had that been Castellanos he’d have head-butted the ball into the Ohio,

Yeah but you're talking about possibly the worst defensive rightfielder against possibly the best in Heyward.

TheBigLebowski
08-30-2020, 01:52 PM
Was hoping that caught a gust of wind

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Yeah but you're talking about possibly the worst defensive rightfielder against possibly the best in Heyward.

That was the point of the post. Contrasting their d acumen.

podgejeff_
08-30-2020, 01:53 PM
Was hoping that caught a gust of wind

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That was the point of the post. Contrasting their d acumen.

Nevermind, Heyward's WAR has his defense rated as meh this year.

JaxRed
08-30-2020, 01:54 PM
Nevermind, Heyward's WAR has his defense rated as meh this year.

Meh better than blah.

Coopdaddy67
08-30-2020, 01:54 PM
Looking less and less likely that Suarez completely wipes out this slump. I just hope he ends the season over .200.

Imagine the team you could assemble with guys mightily struggling right now. Yelich, Bellinger, Suarez, Torres...

A ton of guys struggling this year.

TheBigLebowski
08-30-2020, 01:55 PM
Meh better than blah.

And a couple notches ahead of “shrugs shoulders” and “pfffft”

NebraskaRed
08-30-2020, 01:55 PM
Thankfully a nice quick inning

podgejeff_
08-30-2020, 01:55 PM
Meh better than blah.

Meh is being kind. Castellanos is terrible but Heyward is not much better.

I really thought he was better than that, and once upon a time he was, father time is catching up.

Super easy inning for Castillo.

TheBigLebowski
08-30-2020, 01:55 PM
Imagine the team you could assemble with guys mightily struggling right now. Yelich, Bellinger, Suarez, Torres...

A ton of guys struggling this year.

I don’t disagree

JaxRed
08-30-2020, 01:57 PM
I think that was 6 pitch inning !!

podgejeff_
08-30-2020, 01:58 PM
I think Shogo might be finding a little bit of a groove.

TheBigLebowski
08-30-2020, 01:59 PM
He hit it hard!!!

Alabama Red
08-30-2020, 01:59 PM
I ran to the store and missed Shogo getting a hit. Was it an infield hit?

Wonderful Monds
08-30-2020, 01:59 PM
Looking less and less likely that Suarez completely wipes out this slump. I just hope he ends the season over .200.

I feel like you say that every time he has one bad AB

TheBigLebowski
08-30-2020, 02:00 PM
I’m so sick of these awful strike zones

podgejeff_
08-30-2020, 02:00 PM
I ran to the store and missed Shogo getting a hit. Was it an infield hit?

He hit it to the outfield.

JaxRed
08-30-2020, 02:00 PM
I feel like you say that every time he has one bad AB

Then he must say it a lot !!

TheBigLebowski
08-30-2020, 02:01 PM
I feel like you say that every time he has one bad AB

Your feelings are wrong

Umkubas
08-30-2020, 02:01 PM
Then he must say it a lot !!

No Kidding

podgejeff_
08-30-2020, 02:02 PM
Chatwood's hurt.

Cubs bullpen here we come.

TheBigLebowski
08-30-2020, 02:03 PM
Geez

Chatwood out

ochoa30
08-30-2020, 02:04 PM
I ran to the store and missed Shogo getting a hit. Was it an infield hit?

104 mph off the bat liner single to center

JaxRed
08-30-2020, 02:08 PM
That delay was not as long as I expected.

Tom Servo
08-30-2020, 02:09 PM
Colin Rea, the man once traded for Luis Castillo

JaxRed
08-30-2020, 02:09 PM
Ball 4 called a strike. Then he takes one down the middle.

Coopdaddy67
08-30-2020, 02:09 PM
It would have been nice had the umpire called the strike 2 a ball considering it was 2 inches off the plate.

ochoa30
08-30-2020, 02:10 PM
Angel Hernandez is so bad

TheBigLebowski
08-30-2020, 02:10 PM
Oh please. Horrible call

Tom Servo
08-30-2020, 02:10 PM
Angel Hernandez is godawful

Hillsdale87
08-30-2020, 02:10 PM
strike zone has been a mystery today


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TheBigLebowski
08-30-2020, 02:12 PM
How does Angel Hernandez have a job?

Alabama Red
08-30-2020, 02:12 PM
NC could be an all star caliber player every year if he quit swinging at pitches a foot out of the strike zone.

ochoa30
08-30-2020, 02:15 PM
Castillo has not gotten a single call an inch off the plate. The cubs have had at least 5. And now a homer. Of course.

TheBigLebowski
08-30-2020, 02:15 PM
Those were BOTH strikes to red hitters

JaxRed
08-30-2020, 02:17 PM
Luckily that was a rally killer according to Chris.

ochoa30
08-30-2020, 02:17 PM
Ugh. That’s on Welsh.

Coopdaddy67
08-30-2020, 02:18 PM
I thought Hernandez would call that strike 3 a ball.

TheBigLebowski
08-30-2020, 02:19 PM
Freaking Castillo.

757690
08-30-2020, 02:20 PM
This is such a typical Castillo game. Dominating for 95% of it, quickly falls apart for one or two innings before putting it back together. He is so close to being an true ace.

ochoa30
08-30-2020, 02:22 PM
IMO if Angel Hernandez had been calling this game fairly whether intentional or not it would look a lot different right now. Can’t wait for robo umps.

BluegrassRedleg
08-30-2020, 02:24 PM
This is such a typical Castillo game. Dominating for 95% of it, quickly falls apart for one or two innings before putting it back together. He is so close to being an true ace.

Started to say something along the same lines. Wasnít quite sure how to articulate it. Just feels like heís not going to locate pitches about 2-3x a game, and those wind up being fatal. People donít typically string a bunch of hits and manufacture runs against him.


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reds77
08-30-2020, 02:24 PM
This is such a typical Castillo game. Dominating for 95% of it, quickly falls apart for one or two innings before putting it back together. He is so close to being an true ace.

It wouldn't sting as much if the bats could get him some runs.

TheBigLebowski
08-30-2020, 02:24 PM
Angel giving CHI pitchers all the calls

TheBigLebowski
08-30-2020, 02:26 PM
Come ON

EnglishRed
08-30-2020, 02:27 PM
This umpire is absolutely horrible. You could drive a truck through the strikezone for reds hitters. The strikezone for the Cubs is so small you'd need to Large Hadron Collider to create it.

TheBigLebowski
08-30-2020, 02:27 PM
When is this luck supposed to change?

podgejeff_
08-30-2020, 02:28 PM
When is this luck supposed to change?

Well, if I look at the Reds history...

never.

ochoa30
08-30-2020, 02:28 PM
When is this luck supposed to change?

Probably when Angel Hernandez retires so never. His ghost will probably haunt the reds.

JP321
08-30-2020, 02:29 PM
Keep the breaking ball on the Reds, and you will be successful. Its amazing how many times we swing and miss.

NebraskaRed
08-30-2020, 02:32 PM
oh please, that did not hit him.

ochoa30
08-30-2020, 02:32 PM
Hernandez is playing for the Cubs today. No doubt in my mind at this point.

NebraskaRed
08-30-2020, 02:33 PM
Hernandez is looking for any chance he can to screw the Reds now.

TheBigLebowski
08-30-2020, 02:33 PM
Bad idea Buddy

EnglishRed
08-30-2020, 02:33 PM
In no way did that hit him.

BluegrassRedleg
08-30-2020, 02:34 PM
MLB Replay, again, is an enormous waste of time.


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TheBigLebowski
08-30-2020, 02:34 PM
Such a stupid decision to challenge that

reds77
08-30-2020, 02:35 PM
Ugh 4-0.

BluegrassRedleg
08-30-2020, 02:35 PM
So two runs for Babe Happ instead of one. Get up, MLB.


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TexasRedsFan
08-30-2020, 02:37 PM
This one's over unless we can get 5 innings of Kimbrel. :(

Tom Servo
08-30-2020, 02:37 PM
That was a really bad 0-2 pitch

ochoa30
08-30-2020, 02:37 PM
I like Castillo but he’s just not quite where he needs to be yet

EnglishRed
08-30-2020, 02:37 PM
MLB Replay, again, is an enormous waste of time.


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Is it just some bloke in a shed on his 9th budweiser watching on an old black and white tv with a dodgy signal?

BluegrassRedleg
08-30-2020, 02:38 PM
Ian F. Happ will be 40 years old, hitting about .189, and still maintain a roster spot for those 18 games against the Reds. Utterly inexplicable.


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JP321
08-30-2020, 02:38 PM
I like Castillo but heís just not quite where he needs to be yet

He has had some bad defense behind him this year and poor run support. Today he has made 3 bad pitches that has cost him 4 runs. But the offense yet again is asleep so it may not matter.

TheBigLebowski
08-30-2020, 02:39 PM
He’s just nothing special. I’d be pleased if we traded him for a decent return.

Tom Servo
08-30-2020, 02:40 PM
Oddly enough the long ball hadn’t been the issue for Castillo this year unlike last year, he’d only allowed one before this game. But a blast by Schwarber and two GABP specials will ruin your day fast.

ochoa30
08-30-2020, 02:40 PM
He has had some bad defense behind him this year and poor run support. Today he has made 3 bad pitches that has cost him 4 runs. But the offense yet again is asleep so it may not matter.

All true yet my statement is as well. He doesn’t have the killer instinct you see with aces yet. Hope he develops it soon.

podgejeff_
08-30-2020, 02:43 PM
Our xBA is 30 points higher than the Cubs this game.

Yet 2 hits.

ochoa30
08-30-2020, 02:43 PM
Still not over with the cubs pen. Gotta get it going soon though.

RedTeamGo!
08-30-2020, 02:43 PM
He’s just nothing special. I’d be pleased if we traded him for a decent return.

Guaranteed this same poster complains about the return on every single Reds trade.

TheBigLebowski
08-30-2020, 02:44 PM
Guaranteed this same poster complains about the return on every single Reds trade.

What are you talking about?

JP321
08-30-2020, 02:45 PM
The Reds biggest problem for the most part is the thing that should be the biggest strength.. offense. I know everyone will say the bullpen, and I would welcome that, but the bullpen doesnt have the names the offense has.

RedTeamGo!
08-30-2020, 02:47 PM
Garcia is going to be happy to look out to the OF and not see Hayward.

JaxRed
08-30-2020, 02:48 PM
I was thinking the same thing. If someone gave us a haul for Castillo I'd be ok with it.

kaldaniels
08-30-2020, 02:48 PM
Iím not an AA truther but can someone please tell me what is seen with Payton?

BCubb2003
08-30-2020, 02:48 PM
All true yet my statement is as well. He doesn’t have the killer instinct you see with aces yet. Hope he develops it soon.

I feel like we and the rest of baseball have been saying that about Castillo for several years, between episodes of brilliance. I like that he’s the number 3 pitcher in the rotation, though.

TheBigLebowski
08-30-2020, 02:49 PM
Garcia is going to be happy to look out to the OF and not see Hayward.

I’m gonna need you to show your work on that previous post. I know you’re trying to fit in with the high & mighty condescension, but you’ve put out some highly questionable content yourself.

adkindo
08-30-2020, 02:49 PM
wine glass? That is why you use a red solo cup....nobody ever cut their thumb to the nerve with a red solo cup.

Tom Servo
08-30-2020, 02:50 PM
I’m not an AA truther but can someone please tell me what is seen with Payton?
I like him better than JVM off the bench but yeah not sure why he’s now getting all these starts.

Tom Servo
08-30-2020, 02:51 PM
Guaranteed this same poster complains about the return on every single Reds trade.
Your DMs are full btw

ochoa30
08-30-2020, 02:51 PM
Great swings by Shogo today

podgejeff_
08-30-2020, 02:52 PM
Akiyama hits the gap and gets a double.

kaldaniels
08-30-2020, 02:52 PM
I like him better than JVM off the bench but yeah not sure why he’s now getting all these starts.

Day made it a point yesterday to quote Bell saying “oh, he (Payton) is gonna play.” Why?

In a limited eye test he is overmatched.

TexasRedsFan
08-30-2020, 02:52 PM
Shogo finally showing something. Team desperately needs it.

Roy Tucker
08-30-2020, 02:52 PM
Today is the kind of day I would have asked Mrs. Tucker if she’d like to take in a ballgame. Mid 70’s, low humidity, blue sky. Get a big smoky, cold beer, boo the Cubs. I really miss going to ballgames.

Tom Servo
08-30-2020, 02:52 PM
Too bad we’ve given up on Shogo already and declared him a bust

TheBigLebowski
08-30-2020, 02:52 PM
Shogo showing a good bat today

Kc61
08-30-2020, 02:53 PM
They like Payton because he can play CF. He also hits lefty which has been a weakness off the bench.

I find neither reason compelling and I would rather have AA. But they can have both if they drop a AAAA pitcher.

Bell should have hit for Payton there, down four runs mid-game, against the good lefty.

TheBigLebowski
08-30-2020, 02:53 PM
Ugh. Not a favorable matchup

RedTeamGo!
08-30-2020, 02:53 PM
Your DMs are full btw

Thanks clear

kaldaniels
08-30-2020, 02:53 PM
That wannabe majestic uppercut we see from Barnhart after he fouls or misses a pitch drives me nuts.

757690
08-30-2020, 02:54 PM
Day made it a point yesterday to quote Bell saying ďoh, he (Payton) is gonna play.Ē Why?

In a limited eye test he is overmatched.

Bad LHB is better than good RHB against RHP in Bellís eyes.

RedTeamGo!
08-30-2020, 02:54 PM
Iím gonna need you to show your work on that previous post. I know youíre trying to fit in with the high & mighty condescension, but youíve put out some highly questionable content yourself.

I was making light of your post saying the reds should trade Castillo for ďsomething decentĒ by saying I guarantee you complain about the returns on all reds trades and I guarantee you would complain about the return for Castillo.

TheBigLebowski
08-30-2020, 02:55 PM
Come on Tucker

TheBigLebowski
08-30-2020, 02:56 PM
I was making light of your post saying the reds should trade Castillo for “something decent” by saying I guarantee you complain about the returns on all reds trades and I guarantee you would complain about the return for Castillo.

That’s simply false. I’ve had issues with the same trades everyone else has. Liked plenty of them. But you got your little snide comment in there, so bully for you.

JP321
08-30-2020, 02:57 PM
Sometimes you just wonder what the Reds upper mgmt is seeing. Tucker is a good example of someone who is overvalued and given too many opportunities. I'm not saying to play Stephenson everyday, but I would let Casali take over and have Tyler back him up.

JaxRed
08-30-2020, 02:57 PM
BobSteve with excellent chance to lower his ERA right here....

kaldaniels
08-30-2020, 02:58 PM
That’s simply false. I’ve had issues with the same trades everyone else has. Liked plenty of them. But you got your little snide comment in there, so bully for you.

I mean it’s frustrating to see Castillo give up 3 homers today, but he’s not a guy you should be looking to trade away. He’s a good pitcher and a valuable asset. I’ll take 2 of him please.

Kc61
08-30-2020, 02:59 PM
Bad LHB is better than good RHB against RHP in Bell’s eyes.

Reds are short of outfielders right now, but it’s their own fault, if you must hit Payton against a LHP you’ve created a problem.

TexasRedsFan
08-30-2020, 02:59 PM
I get the feeling Bell has been talked to by Williams. He has really backed off the in-game subbing in recent days and we didn't see one last inning that would've made sense. (AA for Payton. Or has AA been sent out already?)

RedTeamGo!
08-30-2020, 02:59 PM
That’s simply false. I’ve had issues with the same trades everyone else has. Liked plenty of them. But you got your little snide comment in there, so bully for you.

Thanks!

Red Raindog
08-30-2020, 02:59 PM
BobSteve doing his thing today


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TheBigLebowski
08-30-2020, 02:59 PM
I mean it’s frustrating to see Castillo give up 3 homers today, but he’s not a guy you should be looking to trade away. He’s a good pitcher and a valuable asset. I’ll take 2 of him please.

Even if you got a good offer?

Kc61
08-30-2020, 02:59 PM
I was about to post that Stephenson is an odd choice because he’s an extreme FB guy and Cubs have three homers already.

I guess it’s a losing game and he needs the work after his injury layoff.

5–0.

TexasRedsFan
08-30-2020, 03:00 PM
Heywerd another one who just kills Reds at GABP. It must be their second favorite ballpark to play in.

TheBigLebowski
08-30-2020, 03:00 PM
Ok. 2 HR to Hayward in the same game. Probably not winning this one.

JaxRed
08-30-2020, 03:00 PM
BobSteve doing his thing today


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At this point, I'd let him get his work in and save the bullpen.

RedTeamGo!
08-30-2020, 03:00 PM
What is % chance Bob Steve is DFA’d by 9/10

Edskin
08-30-2020, 03:01 PM
Honestly splitting four with the Cubs is the absolute best we could possibly hope for with this team. This is just who they are. If things go REALLY well they might have a chance to sneak in with 27-29 wins this year. I still think there’s hope of that. But translated to a 162 game season the Reds are like a 75-ish win team. Very very meh.

Wonderful Monds
08-30-2020, 03:01 PM
Today is the kind of day I would have asked Mrs. Tucker if sheíd like to take in a ballgame. Mid 70ís, low humidity, blue sky. Get a big smoky, cold beer, boo the Cubs. I really miss going to ballgames.

I saw something in the last couple weeks about the Reds submitting a plan to the state to allow a small number of fans back in for the last month of the season and I havenít heard anything else about it since.

TheBigLebowski
08-30-2020, 03:01 PM
What is % chance Bob Steve is DFA’d by 9/10

You tell us, rational & wise oracle?

Kc61
08-30-2020, 03:02 PM
What is % chance Bob Steve is DFA’d by 9/10

Probably less than 50-50 but only because Reds have others to DFA first.

Tom Servo
08-30-2020, 03:02 PM
What is % chance Bob Steve is DFA’d by 9/10
they are definitely increasing by the day.

He had a rough patch last year too with HRs, but that was over a 162 game season and not 60. The latter certainly makes your lows stick out more.

Red Raindog
08-30-2020, 03:03 PM
At this point, I'd let him get his work in and save the bullpen.

Except thereís always a chance considering the Cub bullpen


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kaldaniels
08-30-2020, 03:04 PM
Even if you got a good offer?

What would you have in mind or propose?

Not a slobber knocker with a ton of pieces - what would a good get for Luis be?

I like to come up with a trade proposal as much as anyone but any return I can think of would never be accepted.

Roy Tucker
08-30-2020, 03:05 PM
You better get a *really* good offer for Castillo. He’s the kind of guy you trade for.

Shogo is a little unsteady under fly balls.

BobSteve isn’t good enough to have a nickname.

TexasRedsFan
08-30-2020, 03:05 PM
Honestly splitting four with the Cubs is the absolute best we could possibly hope for with this team. This is just who they are. If things go REALLY well they might have a chance to sneak in with 27-29 wins this year. I still think there’s hope of that. But translated to a 162 game season the Reds are like a 75-ish win team. Very very meh.

I'd expect more than 75 out of 162, but totally agree they haven't been deserving of a playoff spot thus far. Just can't get out of their own way long enough to get on a roll. The record they have is partly propped up by 7 inning games too.

JaxRed
08-30-2020, 03:06 PM
BobSteve with excellent chance to lower his ERA right here....

BobSteve gives up a run and lowers his ERA from 19.29 to 16.20

Kc61
08-30-2020, 03:08 PM
Stephenson probably isn’t ready yet, he missed substantial time.

Presents a problem with guys out of options. Try to give him low leverage some work, I guess, see if it comes together soon.

adkindo
08-30-2020, 03:08 PM
I would just keep my grounds crew polo

kaldaniels
08-30-2020, 03:08 PM
https://blogs.fangraphs.com/2020-trade-value-1-to-10/

It’s one list but Castillo is ranked the 32nd most valuable trade piece.

Who in God’s name around him on that list would we want to target, and have a chance of getting?

(For instance Castillo isn’t getting traded for Giolito)

JaxRed
08-30-2020, 03:08 PM
Except thereís always a chance considering the Cub bullpen


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I don't see it happening. Surprise me...

JaxRed
08-30-2020, 03:09 PM
I would just keep my grounds crew polo

I would take Rizzo on Reds in a heartbeat.

Bruce Berenyi
08-30-2020, 03:10 PM
yes so glad we got to see payton today,, wow what an improvement over ervin and van meter,, cant wait to see duane walker next I hear he hits righties pretty well on weekend days with the temperature between 68.5 degrees and 69 degrees

kaldaniels
08-30-2020, 03:10 PM
Grip it and rip it Joey.

Tom Servo
08-30-2020, 03:10 PM
Votto! :jump:

Ron Madden
08-30-2020, 03:10 PM
Joey!!!

podgejeff_
08-30-2020, 03:10 PM
Votto!

adkindo
08-30-2020, 03:11 PM
why does Votto always go back to ckoking up so much on the bat....his swing looks so much better when he does not

TheBigLebowski
08-30-2020, 03:12 PM
Atta boy Joe

podgejeff_
08-30-2020, 03:12 PM
why does Votto always go back to ckoking up so much on the bat....his swing looks so much better when he does not

I really think it's because he's trying to perfect hitting. He's a student of the science.

But that involves trial and error.

adkindo
08-30-2020, 03:13 PM
I would take Rizzo on Reds in a heartbeat.

ok...but that is different than as a Reds fan / employee having a once in a lifetime chance to punk Rizzo

kaldaniels
08-30-2020, 03:13 PM
I hold my breath on every ball call.

Bruce Berenyi
08-30-2020, 03:13 PM
lets discuss payton I think he has the potential to be the next paul householder ,, the reds brass has figured out that payton is the answer

Umkubas
08-30-2020, 03:17 PM
Go Canada Go

podgejeff_
08-30-2020, 03:17 PM
How was that a strike?

Good lord.

BCubb2003
08-30-2020, 03:18 PM
The grounds crew guy should have said, “I’ve always wanted an Amir Garrett jersey. Go take one off him and I’ll trade.”

Kc61
08-30-2020, 03:18 PM
Reds struggling with Quintana in part because most of the team is LHH today.

He might switch to a RHH at some point although none on bench are outfielders.

Not ideal roster construction for this situation.

Tom Servo
08-30-2020, 03:18 PM
5 ball walk to Suarez

Umkubas
08-30-2020, 03:18 PM
A plate appearance by Suarez

RedTeamGo!
08-30-2020, 03:22 PM
You tell us, rational & wise oracle?

Here comes the Whaaaaambulance

ochoa30
08-30-2020, 03:23 PM
Moose just hasn’t gotten going yet. Sucks.

Tom Servo
08-30-2020, 03:23 PM
Moose seemed to think like I did that he was going to walk, wasn’t expecting the fastball on the outside corner :(

TheBigLebowski
08-30-2020, 03:25 PM
Here comes the Whaaaaambulance

Let’s just agree to ignore each other. Fair?

Coopdaddy67
08-30-2020, 03:25 PM
Hopefully Votto barreling up 2 hits the past couple days is a good sign.

BluegrassRedleg
08-30-2020, 03:27 PM
LMAO. What do you say at this point?


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ochoa30
08-30-2020, 03:27 PM
Hot garbage. Yuck.

Bruce Berenyi
08-30-2020, 03:27 PM
we are running out of time for "good signs" the season is 55 per cent over,, lets keep playing payton though and fin out if he can hit .225

adkindo
08-30-2020, 03:27 PM
I know he has his supporters....but I have never felt comfortable with Stephenson on the mound...would not be upset if they moved on soon.

Red Raindog
08-30-2020, 03:27 PM
I don't see it happening. Surprise me...

Keeping BobSteve in will diminish the chance of a comeback win


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TheBigLebowski
08-30-2020, 03:28 PM
Batting Practice Bobby.

Kc61
08-30-2020, 03:30 PM
Stephenson’s GB percentage is very low. He’s going to allow HRs at GABP. When he’s missing lots of bats it works out, but he has to be on his game.

JaxRed
08-30-2020, 03:32 PM
BobSteve gives up a run and lowers his ERA from 19.29 to 16.20

Gives up another and lowers the ERA to 14.54

Kc61
08-30-2020, 03:35 PM
Reds need two of three against Cards. After Cards series there is one homestand remaining.

Bruce Berenyi
08-30-2020, 03:37 PM
i think they can sweep the cards if payton , vanmeter and ervin play the outfield , and then jankowski can pinch run

Kc61
08-30-2020, 03:44 PM
i think they can sweep the cards if payton , vanmeter and ervin play the outfield , and then jankowski can pinch run

I’m curious, you like the Garcia move?

Ironman92
08-30-2020, 03:44 PM
Iím here now...letís go rally

Stray
08-30-2020, 03:47 PM
Tucker has been overmatched at the plate this year.

Tom Servo
08-30-2020, 03:47 PM
no more Barnhart please

TexasRedsFan
08-30-2020, 03:48 PM
Reds are strikeout machines today. :(

NebraskaRed
08-30-2020, 03:48 PM
no more Barnhart please

There is no justification for him getting the majority of the starts.

Tom Servo
08-30-2020, 03:53 PM
oh come on

I hate the Cubs

podgejeff_
08-30-2020, 03:53 PM
Yep.

Ron Madden
08-30-2020, 03:53 PM
Robbed Again!

ochoa30
08-30-2020, 03:53 PM
Just can’t catch a break

adkindo
08-30-2020, 03:54 PM
that would have been 2 runs...and Winker coming up with 2 guys on....

NebraskaRed
08-30-2020, 03:55 PM
Jamie Ramsey
@Jamieblog
Casteallanos' lineout to Hoerner with the bases loaded had a 72% hit probability, according to
@statcast

Kc61
08-30-2020, 03:55 PM
Castellanos really gives you a good at bat. He swings at some bad ones, but he’s a quality hitter.

Tough break, but that’s baseball.

BCubb2003
08-30-2020, 03:55 PM
The goal is to acquire bases, so we tend to make defense a trade off. But good defense is energizing and bad defense is soul crushing.

adkindo
08-30-2020, 03:57 PM
I know it is kicking a dead horse....but it would have been nice to have Aquino PH for Barnhart....then allow Casali finish the game.....actually, why not have Farmer PH for Tucker there? Davidson?

TexasRedsFan
08-30-2020, 03:57 PM
no more Barnhart please

Bats left handed. More important than anything else (to our manager).

adkindo
08-30-2020, 03:59 PM
Castellanos really gives you a good at bat. He swings at some bad ones, but he’s a quality hitter.

Tough break, but that’s baseball.

my amateur eye thinks he swings at a lot of balls 2-3" off the plate.....Geno has been doing the same....and sometimes they almost appear to semi try to pull those balls which makes them miss even worse

adkindo
08-30-2020, 04:01 PM
ok....with that story I am now a big fan of Kuhnel

TexasRedsFan
08-30-2020, 04:04 PM
Kuhnel over BobSteve from now on please.

JaxRed
08-30-2020, 04:06 PM
I'd like to see Joel go another but he pitched yesterday too.

adkindo
08-30-2020, 04:06 PM
Kuhnel over BobSteve from now on please.

wasn't he a closer in the minors? He may be a guy I would consider if they ever decide to move Iggy. Kind of appears to have the demeanor on the mound to be a closer....in the limited outings I have seen him.

JaxRed
08-30-2020, 04:11 PM
He was. I might like to see a guy that pounds the strike zone more. I hope we see Ryan Hendrix before season is over.

adkindo
08-30-2020, 04:12 PM
my outfield if I was manager would be

RF - Castellanos
CF - Senzel
LF - Aquino

DH - Winker....also backup LF'er and get him comfortable playing 1B when possible as a backup

I would find a way to get Shogo in the lineup several times a week.

I would also call up Stephenson yesterday.

I feel like this team needs a decent change/spark....it might not work, but if things remain the same, I feel like at best we limp into a playoff spot based on other teams failing.

JaxRed
08-30-2020, 04:14 PM
De Leon looked good yesterday. Can he put together 2 good outings?

adkindo
08-30-2020, 04:16 PM
Offense in MLB is about the long ball in 2020....the better teams are able to get a guy or two on when they hit the long ball, but it still seems like most runs come from the ball going over the fence. I want as many guys in my lineup that are likely to hit a HR as possible. Guys like Payton, Shogo and Tucker really do not fit that model.

reds77
08-30-2020, 04:16 PM
Tough game, tough season.

Kc61
08-30-2020, 04:19 PM
my amateur eye thinks he swings at a lot of balls 2-3" off the plate.....Geno has been doing the same....and sometimes they almost appear to semi try to pull those balls which makes them miss even worse

Castellanos gets away with swinging at some bad ones. Heís aggressive and when he makes contact the ball flies. If he tries to be more selective heíd probably suffer. His style, not too many players can get away with it.

adkindo
08-30-2020, 04:21 PM
Castellanos gets away with swinging at some bad ones. He’s aggressive and when he makes contact the ball flies. If he tries to be more selective he’d probably suffer. His style, not too many players can get away with it.

would love to see this offense with him and Winker on fire at the same time....they both have showed they can almost carry an offense when hot.

reds77
08-30-2020, 04:24 PM
Tough game, tough season.
Grand Slam for Cubs.

onehand
08-30-2020, 04:24 PM
Offense in MLB is about the long ball in 2020....the better teams are able to get a guy or two on when they hit the long ball, but it still seems like most runs come from the ball going over the fence. I want as many guys in my lineup that are likely to hit a HR as possible. Guys like Payton, Shogo and Tucker really do not fit that model.

Agree with this assessment, but this brand of baseball is becoming boring. Every game a HR derby. All or nothing at the plate. Ugh. Get these guys off my lawn.

BCubb2003
08-30-2020, 04:24 PM
He hit that one to Centerville.

ochoa30
08-30-2020, 04:24 PM
A little HR derby for the cubs. Must be fun.

JaxRed
08-30-2020, 04:25 PM
De Leon looked good yesterday. Can he put together 2 good outings?

No.

Tom Servo
08-30-2020, 04:25 PM
death by left handed HRs

onehand
08-30-2020, 04:26 PM
He hit that one to Centerville.

Wait! Is he the guy from Middletown? I think I heard Thom mention that once...

reds77
08-30-2020, 04:26 PM
Davidson time lol

Red Raindog
08-30-2020, 04:27 PM
Thereís a bunch of failed or failing pitchers in the bullpen


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WVRedsFan
08-30-2020, 04:27 PM
Only one thing to do with DeLeone. Send him away

NebraskaRed
08-30-2020, 04:27 PM
Matt Davidson might as well officially join the bullpen.

onehand
08-30-2020, 04:27 PM
I'm starting to feel like this whole year was written off as an audition for 2021. The guys with the guaranteed lineup spots are sure playing like this whole season is a September call up.

Kc61
08-30-2020, 04:28 PM
would love to see this offense with him and Winker on fire at the same time....they both have showed they can almost carry an offense when hot.

Yes, but the other approach is to have more guys who can hit. Reds right now lack hitting depth.

The lineup is weak after hitter 5. Shogo getting on track would help, Senzel returning would help.

Hard to have a really good offense without 7 or 8 guys contributing substantially.

NebraskaRed
08-30-2020, 04:29 PM
MLB Stats
@MLBStats

The
@Cubs
have 3 players with multi-HR games for the first time since 4/16/1955 (Happ, Heyward, Schwarber).

Possibly the worst thing about being a Reds fan is watching them continually help other teams break records/do rare things.

Tom Servo
08-30-2020, 04:31 PM
Incredibly bizarre bullpen choices this series. Sims wasn't used once. Garrett appeared in just the first game.

Kc61
08-30-2020, 04:32 PM
Possibly the worst thing about being a Reds fan is watching them continually help other teams break records/do rare things.

No, the worst thing about being a Reds fans is expecting them to lose most days. I’m so used to losses it’s hard to ever feel confident of victory. Takes much of the fun out of it.

NebraskaRed
08-30-2020, 04:32 PM
Reds are only 2 grand slams followed by a bloop and a blast away from winning this one.

757690
08-30-2020, 04:35 PM
Matt Davidson should win the Reds Fireman of the Year award.

Kc61
08-30-2020, 04:35 PM
Reds are only 2 grand slams followed by a bloop and a blast away from winning this one.

Yeah, Reds are in double grand slam, bloop, and blast range.

Red Raindog
08-30-2020, 04:37 PM
Incredibly bizarre bullpen choices this series. Sims wasn't used once. Garrett appeared in just the first game.

Saving them for the playoffs


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BCubb2003
08-30-2020, 04:37 PM
Yeah, Reds are in double grand slam, bloop, and blast range.

That’s why baseball has no clock.

reds77
08-30-2020, 04:37 PM
Day & Welsh in damage control mode telling us this team can still salvage the season.

adkindo
08-30-2020, 04:39 PM
Agree with this assessment, but this brand of baseball is becoming boring. Every game a HR derby. All or nothing at the plate. Ugh. Get these guys off my lawn.

A lot of these newer stadiums which have small outfield just do not seem to allow a traditional style of baseball or run creation. There are very small areas of green that a hitter can hit the ball without a fielder getting there....and then the shifts have even diminished the field even more. I think hitters have just realized they a better off trying to hit it in the one place a fielder is unable to catch it. Not my preference either....but not sure how it goes back in the other direction.

Ron Madden
08-30-2020, 04:39 PM
Well,That blows up the Reds Run Differential.

We need a winning streak

reds77
08-30-2020, 04:39 PM
10-1 loss.

adkindo
08-30-2020, 04:41 PM
Day & Welsh in damage control mode telling us this team can still salvage the season.

I was no fan of Thom....but since he left the booth, there has been a lot more what some would call "excuse making" in the booth with Day and Welsh.

Alabama Red
08-30-2020, 04:41 PM
Seems like the Reds need to look at how they prepare for the season and how they run spring training. Just about every year half the team doesn’t show up until we’re 7-8 out of first place.

adkindo
08-30-2020, 04:42 PM
Seems like the Reds need to look at how they prepare for the season and how they run spring training. Just about every year half the team doesn’t show up until we’re 7-8 out of first place.

this team routinely starts games flat the last two seasons....I know who I would hold accountable.

Ron Madden
08-30-2020, 04:44 PM
BOX Score

https://www.mlb.com/gameday/cubs-vs-reds/2020/08/30/631584#game_state=final,lock_state=final,game_tab= box,game=631584

Umkubas
08-30-2020, 04:44 PM
The
@Cubs
have 3 players with multi-HR games for the first time since 4/16/1955 (Happ, Heyward, Schwarber).

The Cubs lost the game 4/16/1955....11-12 against the Saint Louis Cardinals in 14 innings

Tom Servo
08-30-2020, 04:46 PM
Day & Welsh in damage control mode telling us this team can still salvage the season.
They're not wrong.

JP321
08-30-2020, 04:47 PM
Again, to me, this offense is problem #1. Every team we play has the same approach. Throw the Reds lots of breaking balls and let them get themselves out. The bullpen is a wreck but none of us are surprised by that. But the offense has too many proven guys to still be struggling to score more than 3 runs.