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Ron Madden
08-31-2020, 04:11 PM
First Pitch 6:40 PM


Reds
1. Joey Votto (L) 1B
2. Nick Castellanos (R) RF
3. Jesse Winker (L) DH
4. Eugenio Suarez (R) 3B
5. Mike Moustakas (L) 2B
6. Aristides Aquino (R) LF
7. Shogo Akiyama (L) CF
8. Freddy Galvis (S) SS
9. Tucker Barnhart (L) C
SP Anthony Desclafani (R)


Cardinals
1. Kolten Wong (L) 2B
2. Tommy Edman (S) LF
3. Paul Goldschmidt (R) 1B
4. Brad Miller (L) DH
5. Paul DeJong (R) SS
6. Yadier Molina (R) C
7. Matt Carpenter (L) 3B
8. Dexter Fowler (S) RF
9. Dylan Carlson (S) CF
SP Dakota Hudson (R)

Wonderful Monds
08-31-2020, 04:14 PM
Aquino but no Garcia

Small victories I suppose

Wonderful Monds
08-31-2020, 04:20 PM
Oh and Winker is still in the lineup despite being suspended, so he’s definitely appealing

JaxRed
08-31-2020, 04:22 PM
Oh and Winker is still in the lineup despite being suspended, so he’s definitely appealing

Good looking dude. Definitely appealing.

RedTeamGo!
08-31-2020, 05:08 PM
What the hell is with Bell not playing Garcia?

This is so annoying.

Rolando
08-31-2020, 05:45 PM
Why is Tucker Barnhart playing?

Ron Madden
08-31-2020, 05:48 PM
The Cardinals lineup has been added to the original post

UPRedsFan
08-31-2020, 05:49 PM
What the hell is with Bell not playing Garcia?



Hudson's a good right handed pitcher, tough on rh batters.

NebraskaRed
08-31-2020, 06:20 PM
As much as I dislike saying anything positive about the Cardinals, Yadier "Yadira" Molina is one durable dude. He seems to start every single game.

JaxRed
08-31-2020, 06:23 PM
What the hell is with Bell not playing Garcia?

This is so annoying.

He's hitting worse than Shogo. He's getting a shot every other game. When he starts hitting, he'll play more often.

NebraskaRed
08-31-2020, 06:25 PM
He's hitting worse than Shogo. He's getting a shot every other game. When he starts hitting, he'll play more often.

You know he's had 13 ABs right?

JaxRed
08-31-2020, 06:35 PM
Yep, I think they are doing a good job easing in him. But so far it's been slow going for him. I got no problem with the every other day plan.

Rantly
08-31-2020, 06:40 PM
Aquino in the lineup, big pressure on Bruce Berenyi now.

podgejeff_
08-31-2020, 06:44 PM
Aquino in the lineup, big pressure on Bruce Berenyi now.

Oh the moment Aquino fails to get that RBI...

podgejeff_
08-31-2020, 06:46 PM
I've seen this movie before...

TheBigLebowski
08-31-2020, 06:46 PM
T-Bone brought the gasoline

Mitri
08-31-2020, 06:46 PM
Yep, I think they are doing a good job easing in him. But so far it's been slow going for him. I got no problem with the every other day plan.

I agree. Pleasantly surprised with how much they've played him already.

NebraskaRed
08-31-2020, 06:48 PM
Nice K of Miller there.

NebraskaRed
08-31-2020, 06:51 PM
Good job limiting damage there!

Tom Servo
08-31-2020, 06:51 PM
Ump didn’t give Disco the benefit on some close ones but did on others. Go figure.

Score some runs!!

TheBigLebowski
08-31-2020, 06:51 PM
Ump was generous in both of those K’s. I’ll take it.

JaxRed
08-31-2020, 06:51 PM
Ump was very helpful that inning

mhs95_06
08-31-2020, 06:51 PM
Disco got a gift on the strike 3 call to get out of the first, trailing 1-0, on 21 pitches.

Ron Madden
08-31-2020, 06:52 PM
Nice bounce back to get out of the inning by Disco

Ron Madden
08-31-2020, 06:55 PM
Haha infield hit for Joey

NebraskaRed
08-31-2020, 06:55 PM
Votto's version of hustling paid off there

mhs95_06
08-31-2020, 06:55 PM
Would we consider that Votto "beat that out"?

Tom Servo
08-31-2020, 06:56 PM
nice job Yadi

mhs95_06
08-31-2020, 06:56 PM
Free base to Votto and takes the DP out of play!

NebraskaRed
08-31-2020, 06:56 PM
You don't see Yadira do that often.

podgejeff_
08-31-2020, 06:58 PM
I still don't like Yadier Molina.

Tom Servo
08-31-2020, 06:59 PM
ESPN announcers fawning over Winker. Not complaining!

Ron Madden
08-31-2020, 07:00 PM
I still don't like Yadier Molina.

Me either. I don't like any of the Cardinals

podgejeff_
08-31-2020, 07:01 PM
Me either. I don't like any of the Cardinals

I will never forget the fight though.

He holds an extra special spot of hatred.

I didn't like Jim Edmonds either, even though he became a Red.

I learned to like Scott Rolen.

Ron Madden
08-31-2020, 07:02 PM
I hated Edmonds even when he was a Red

podgejeff_
08-31-2020, 07:03 PM
Make him work Jesse.

Kc61
08-31-2020, 07:03 PM
When they ban the shift, they should also ban catchers trying to steal strikes.

Tom Servo
08-31-2020, 07:04 PM
When they ban the shift, they should also ban catchers trying to steal strikes.
Robo umps.

podgejeff_
08-31-2020, 07:04 PM
Credit Molina with that strikeout.

Ron Madden
08-31-2020, 07:05 PM
When they ban the shift, they should also ban catchers trying to steal strikes.

The automated strike zone will stop catchers stealing strikes

TheBigLebowski
08-31-2020, 07:05 PM
There we go, Gene

Ron Madden
08-31-2020, 07:05 PM
Alright Geno!!! Tie Game

Tom Servo
08-31-2020, 07:05 PM
Tim Kurkjian says he was told Geno might be a guy who struggles with the lack of fans and energy in the park

NebraskaRed
08-31-2020, 07:05 PM
Nicely done!

mhs95_06
08-31-2020, 07:06 PM
2 out RBI! Didn't try for a long ball.

BCubb2003
08-31-2020, 07:08 PM
Pitch framing is like flopping in soccer. It’s an affront to the integrity of the game.

NebraskaRed
08-31-2020, 07:08 PM
I still don't like Yadier Molina.

*Yadira

RedsBrick
08-31-2020, 07:09 PM
Thank you, Geno. 2-out RBIs win games.

TheBigLebowski
08-31-2020, 07:10 PM
These guys are trying to humanize Rizzo, and I’m not having any of it.

RedsBrick
08-31-2020, 07:10 PM
...and thank you, again, Geno!

Ron Madden
08-31-2020, 07:10 PM
Helluva Play!

Tom Servo
08-31-2020, 07:12 PM
Disco wanted nothing to do with Carpenter.

TheBigLebowski
08-31-2020, 07:13 PM
Come on, T-Bone.

RedsBrick
08-31-2020, 07:15 PM
Woulda been fun to watch Billy catch that one.

Ron Madden
08-31-2020, 07:17 PM
That Was A Big K

Tom Servo
08-31-2020, 07:20 PM
2-1 Cards as Disco continues to be bothered by the LH bats

50YrRedsFan
08-31-2020, 07:20 PM
DeSclafani not hitting his spots...looks all over the place.

ochoa30
08-31-2020, 07:23 PM
Walk hurt him bad. Just not sharp early on.

Rantly
08-31-2020, 07:25 PM
Tim Kurkjian says he was told Geno might be a guy who struggles with the lack of fans and energy in the park
Interesting.

NebraskaRed
08-31-2020, 07:27 PM
Thoughts and prayers to BruceBerenyi

Tom Servo
08-31-2020, 07:27 PM
Shogo robbed by Wong

RedsBrick
08-31-2020, 07:28 PM
Nice play.

Strikes Out Looking
08-31-2020, 07:28 PM
As much as I dislike saying anything positive about the Cardinals, Yadier "Yadira" Molina is one durable dude. He seems to start every single game.

The Cardinals have a long history of players who shouldn't be in playing shape playing. I clearly remember when Albert Pujols was dtd and going to have elbow surgery and miss most of a season when he was with the Cardinals. Never happened, he goes to LA and he is suddenly hurt all the time and also an AARP member.

I hate the Cardinals. I hate the poor owner who isn't making any money. I hate the Cardinal way. I hated LaRussa's managing.

Ron Madden
08-31-2020, 07:28 PM
Ump calls a lot of outside pitches strikes

Kc61
08-31-2020, 07:30 PM
Reds lefty hitters might try the left side of the diamond.

You know, the part where no infielders are standing.

podgejeff_
08-31-2020, 07:31 PM
The Cardinals have a long history of players who shouldn't be in playing shape playing. I clearly remember when Albert Pujols was dtd and going to have elbow surgery and miss most of a season when he was with the Cardinals. Never happened, he goes to LA and he is suddenly hurt all the time and also an AARP member.

I hate the Cardinals. I hate the poor owner who isn't making any money. I hate the Cardinal way. I hated LaRussa's managing.

It's almost like they have some kind of advantage.

RedsBrick
08-31-2020, 07:33 PM
Strugglin'

BCubb2003
08-31-2020, 07:33 PM
What are veteran presents and where do they buy them?

JaxRed
08-31-2020, 07:33 PM
Senzel tweeted and implied that he may have passed a covid test

Ron Madden
08-31-2020, 07:34 PM
Senzel tweeted and implied that he may have passed a covid test

We need him

Kc61
08-31-2020, 07:35 PM
Senzel tweeted and implied that he may have passed a covid test

How strong an implication?

NebraskaRed
08-31-2020, 07:35 PM
How strong an implication?

Said something about getting a piece of good news that's one step closer to returning.

TheBigLebowski
08-31-2020, 07:35 PM
This team is determined to be a joke.

Kc61
08-31-2020, 07:36 PM
Said something about getting a piece of good news that's one step closer to returning.

I take that as a fairly strong implication. Thanks, good news.

Big Klu
08-31-2020, 07:36 PM
What are veteran presents and where do they buy them?

Veteran presents are usually bought at the PX, or maybe the Army-Navy Surplus store.

RedsBrick
08-31-2020, 07:37 PM
Stole on the pitcher.

ochoa30
08-31-2020, 07:37 PM
Might wanna get someone up in the pen. Can’t even execute a pitchout

TheBigLebowski
08-31-2020, 07:37 PM
hah. Whatever.

TheBigLebowski
08-31-2020, 07:40 PM
That’s your ballgame. These blowhards don’t have 3 in them, and it’s not like TBone isn’t going to cough up a few more.

50YrRedsFan
08-31-2020, 07:40 PM
I can hear it now...Goodwin and Bradley begging, "Please, not to Cincinnati"

NebraskaRed
08-31-2020, 07:40 PM
Ump is really inconsistent.

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Disco is really afraid of Matt Carpenter.

Tom Servo
08-31-2020, 07:41 PM
Disco wanted nothing to do with Carpenter.
And again. But man, you might as well pitch to him.

JaxRed
08-31-2020, 07:41 PM
Do we have a long man these days?

NebraskaRed
08-31-2020, 07:42 PM
Can Archie Bradley make it to Cincinnati by the 5th inning maybe?

Kc61
08-31-2020, 07:42 PM
I’d lift Disco right now.

Which would have been a mistake. Nice job getting that last guy out.

ochoa30
08-31-2020, 07:43 PM
This is rough. The opposite of what the team needed.

Kc61
08-31-2020, 07:43 PM
Do we have a long man these days?

No. We have nine short men.

WVRedsFan
08-31-2020, 07:44 PM
That’s your ballgame. These blowhards don’t have 3 in them, and it’s not like TBone isn’t going to cough up a few more.

You ever wonder if people calling him T Bone started this? I mean he seemed fine before that��

Ron Madden
08-31-2020, 07:45 PM
It's not Discos night, wouldn't stick with him much longer

TheBigLebowski
08-31-2020, 07:45 PM
Nick Krall is a low-talker

NebraskaRed
08-31-2020, 07:46 PM
Nick Krall is a low-talker

He and Bell sound alike.

TheBigLebowski
08-31-2020, 07:46 PM
You ever wonder if people calling him T Bone started this? I mean he seemed fine before that��

Itís an explanation that makes more sense than anything else.

Kc61
08-31-2020, 07:47 PM
Tucker whiffs on ball four.

RedsBrick
08-31-2020, 07:48 PM
Barnhart....sheesh.

NebraskaRed
08-31-2020, 07:48 PM
Barnhart absolutely refused to walk there.

Ron Madden
08-31-2020, 07:48 PM
Watching Barnhart keep making outs has grown old

Patrick Bateman
08-31-2020, 07:48 PM
Tucker is an incredibly bad hitter. Not many people can do less with a 3-0 count.


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TheBigLebowski
08-31-2020, 07:48 PM
Way to chase, Tuck. Can’t take pitches 6 feet outside on a 2 strike count.

WVRedsFan
08-31-2020, 07:49 PM
Watching Barnhart keep making outs has grown old

Agree

NebraskaRed
08-31-2020, 07:49 PM
Krall with the classic, "our record doesn't reflect how good we are"

Yes, it does.

Rolando
08-31-2020, 07:50 PM
Way to chase, Tuck. Can’t take pitches 6 feet outside on a 2 strike count.
There's really no reason for him to be playing anymore

Red Raindog
08-31-2020, 07:50 PM
I donít think I heard a reason for Goodwin from Krall.
Maybe I missed it.


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RedsBrick
08-31-2020, 07:51 PM
This is how boring the Reds are tonight....this crew will do anything to not talk about their at bats...

TheBigLebowski
08-31-2020, 07:51 PM
I don’t think I heard a reason for Goodwin from Krall.
Maybe I missed it.


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I can’t hear a word he’s saying

BluegrassRedleg
08-31-2020, 07:52 PM
Futile.

NebraskaRed
08-31-2020, 07:52 PM
Maybe their strategy in trade negotiations is to talk so quietly that nobody is quite sure what you said.

TheBigLebowski
08-31-2020, 07:52 PM
These guys are bad. And boring.

JaxRed
08-31-2020, 07:54 PM
Krall: we want a good one.

Angels: I think he said Goodwin

Kc61
08-31-2020, 07:54 PM
Reds are 7-9 at home and behind in this one.

That’s not going to fly.

Have to turn this around and win this series before the next road trip.

TheBigLebowski
08-31-2020, 07:56 PM
Reds are 7-9 at home and behind in this one.

That’s not going to fly.

Have to turn this around and win this series before the next road trip.

We’re 15-20 when this one mercifully ends. They only play 60. It’s over.

Falls City Beer
08-31-2020, 07:58 PM
At what point do we stop saying an offense is unlucky and start saying it’s bad?

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We’re 15-20 when this one mercifully ends. They only play 60. It’s over.

It is, of course, over. The question is what are they doing to position themselves for next season?

JarrodOnVinyl
08-31-2020, 07:59 PM
We’re 15-20 when this one mercifully ends. They only play 60. It’s over.

When this one ‘mercifully ends’? We’re down 2 in the fourth inning, relax

Falls City Beer
08-31-2020, 08:01 PM
When this one ‘mercifully ends’? We’re down 2 in the fourth inning, relax

We might win this one. That’s irrelevant. They’re toast regardless. What is the best use of AB’s and innings the rest of the season?

Ron Madden
08-31-2020, 08:02 PM
I wish they woulda traded Barnhart

Tom Servo
08-31-2020, 08:03 PM
Did the start against the Pirates ruin Disco’s psyche or something

RedsBrick
08-31-2020, 08:03 PM
Barnhart....Sheesh.

Banshee
08-31-2020, 08:04 PM
Disco trying to fool 'em w/ all those hanging curve balls....

JFLegal
08-31-2020, 08:04 PM
disco is showing his true colors. 6 ERA this season.

also hilarious that this terrible front office is in denial and think they were buyers at the deadline. should have been sellers, you idiots.

JaxRed
08-31-2020, 08:04 PM
Get Disco out of there.

RedsBrick
08-31-2020, 08:05 PM
...and no one warming.

Patrick Bateman
08-31-2020, 08:05 PM
At what point do we stop saying an offense is unlucky and start saying?

Why canít it be both? Lol


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Falls City Beer
08-31-2020, 08:07 PM
Why can’t it be both? Lol


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I guess I don’t care? that they’re unlucky. Just be good.

Ron Madden
08-31-2020, 08:08 PM
Good Lord!

Banshee
08-31-2020, 08:08 PM
I think you can go get him now...

Coopdaddy67
08-31-2020, 08:08 PM
Put Davidson in the rotation.

TheBigLebowski
08-31-2020, 08:08 PM
When this one ‘mercifully ends’? We’re down 2 in the fourth inning, relax

How ‘bout now?

RedsBrick
08-31-2020, 08:08 PM
Didn't see that one coming...said no one.

kaldaniels
08-31-2020, 08:08 PM
T-Bone is overcooked.

NebraskaRed
08-31-2020, 08:08 PM
okay NOW it's over.

JFLegal
08-31-2020, 08:08 PM
lol. this team needs a fork. they are done.

Tom Servo
08-31-2020, 08:09 PM
man what the hell

RedsBrick
08-31-2020, 08:09 PM
I guess they were just trying to get to Lorenzen time....game being out of reach and all.

JFLegal
08-31-2020, 08:09 PM
how amazing is it that this inept front office thought the reds were buyers at the deadline??!!

BluegrassRedleg
08-31-2020, 08:10 PM
Professional baseball vs. kickball outfit

Patrick Bateman
08-31-2020, 08:10 PM
Seemed like everyone on earth except Freddie would have taken him out for Miller, let alone DeJong? That was so predictable.


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Edskin
08-31-2020, 08:10 PM
Honestly, the Reds have two top line starters and one position player (Winker) who is having a nice year. Other than that, this team is a total disaster. What a massive disappointment. The FO has failed miserably. I give them points for finally trying, but “trying hard” doesn’t cut it at this level. Yikes.

JFLegal
08-31-2020, 08:11 PM
we were all fooled into thinking this would be a good team. they are a trainwreck.

Kc61
08-31-2020, 08:11 PM
Not sure why Disco pitched all through that.

He didn’t have much.

Rolando
08-31-2020, 08:12 PM
Seemed like everyone on earth except Freddie would have taken him out for Miller, let alone DeJong? That was so predictable.


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Boy disco is awful. I can't wait till he's gone next year

Alabama Red
08-31-2020, 08:12 PM
This team just doesn’t have enough good players. It’s just a a bunch of guys who can be good for stretches and then awful for longer stretches. We go into every season thinking they will all click and they never do.

JarrodOnVinyl
08-31-2020, 08:12 PM
How ‘bout now?

Lol. Still the fourth inning.

lnn6574
08-31-2020, 08:13 PM
That was so predictable.


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NebraskaRed
08-31-2020, 08:13 PM
No reason to leave Disco in.

Yes, the bullpen has not been great, but when you see that he's struggling from inning 1 onwards, then you pull him before he gives up the grand slam.

Ron Madden
08-31-2020, 08:13 PM
This is in Disco. Nobody else

JaxRed
08-31-2020, 08:13 PM
Not sure why Disco pitched all through that.

He didn’t have much.

It was so obvious he was struggling.

Patrick Bateman
08-31-2020, 08:14 PM
Boy disco is awful. I can't wait till he's gone next year

His pitch mix seems like he could be a good reliever against righties with a few more ticks. Seems really stretched right now in the rotation.


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NebraskaRed
08-31-2020, 08:14 PM
Now to watch the Reds score 3 or so runs just to give me the faintest hope that they can win, but then of course they don't.

Edskin
08-31-2020, 08:14 PM
No reason to leave Disco in.

Yes, the bullpen has not been great, but when you see that he's struggling from inning 1 onwards, then you pull him before he gives up the grand slam.

I’m not a Bell fan by any means, but in cases like this it’s a damned if you do situation. Disco stinks. The bullpen stinks. It’s the fourth inning. Team can’t score. Hard for me to criticize minutia too much.

Tom Servo
08-31-2020, 08:16 PM
This team just doesn’t have enough good players. It’s just a a bunch of guys who can be good for stretches and then awful for longer stretches. We go into every season thinking they will all click and they never do.
Isn’t that what baseball mostly is though

I think the bullpen was sketchy and they’ve lived up to that, but otherwise on paper there was some good talent on this team. I don’t think talent is the problem, more so the execution.

Patrick Bateman
08-31-2020, 08:16 PM
Iím not a Bell fan by any means, but in cases like this itís a damned if you do situation. Disco stinks. The bullpen stinks. Itís the fourth inning. Team canít score. Hard for me to criticize minutia too much.

I dunno about that. Disco hadnít fooled anyone since opening pitch. I think anyone would have been a better choice if anything just for a change of pace.


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Rolando
08-31-2020, 08:18 PM
I’m not a Bell fan by any means, but in cases like this it’s a damned if you do situation. Disco stinks. The bullpen stinks. It’s the fourth inning. Team can’t score. Hard for me to criticize minutia too much.

Bell is not even there he got suspended for acting like a fool Saturday night

Tom Servo
08-31-2020, 08:19 PM
Isn’t the fact that the pitching has been lit up the last two days with Barnhart behind the plate so evidence that his role in their success is overstated and we can bench him?

Edskin
08-31-2020, 08:20 PM
Bell is not even there he got suspended for acting like a fool Saturday night

Ah, forgot. Lucky him

Falls City Beer
08-31-2020, 08:20 PM
I really appreciate what Disco has given us but the most important skill a GM possesses is knowing when to get rid of a guy before his expiration. That requires a real lack of sentimentality.

marcshoe
08-31-2020, 08:21 PM
A group of fan cutouts just got up and left.

Kc61
08-31-2020, 08:21 PM
Reds lefties continue to pull everything into the shift. Or in that case the double play.

If they want to understand why nothing falls in, they should consult a spray chart.

Red Raindog
08-31-2020, 08:21 PM
https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20200901/bcb05a91c83008a8fb80d37ce8c4e654.jpg

Seems more appropriate about every day óó even if Iím holding out some slight hope.


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Alabama Red
08-31-2020, 08:22 PM
Moustakas has been a huge disappointment.

Red Raindog
08-31-2020, 08:23 PM
Even the mascots arenít watching


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Ron Madden
08-31-2020, 08:23 PM
Maybe Moose should hit lower in the order for awhile

Rolando
08-31-2020, 08:24 PM
Isn’t the fact that the pitching has been lit up the last two days with Barnhart behind the plate so evidence that his role in their success is overstated and we can bench him?

Amen make him the backup the rest of this year then cut him in the offseason

Rantly
08-31-2020, 08:24 PM
Maybe Moose should hit lower in the order for awhile

So who do we move up in the order?

TheBigLebowski
08-31-2020, 08:25 PM
Moustakas has been a huge disappointment.

“(Name your player) has been a huge disappointment, excluding Bauer/Sonny/Castellanos

Rolando
08-31-2020, 08:25 PM
So who do we move up in the order?
There is the problem. I think Ron is right but you got nobody to move up

50YrRedsFan
08-31-2020, 08:25 PM
Maybe Moose should hit lower in the order for awhile

Not everyone can bat ninth

Rolando
08-31-2020, 08:26 PM
“(Name your player) has been a huge disappointment, excluding Bauer/Sonny/Castellanos
Well I would say Jesse Winker has been great

Coopdaddy67
08-31-2020, 08:27 PM
Isn’t the fact that the pitching has been lit up the last two days with Barnhart behind the plate so evidence that his role in their success is overstated and we can bench him?

If he was hitting anywhere remotely close to .250, I wouldn't have an issue with him.

Instead, he walks up to the plate with a string of spaghetti.

Ron Madden
08-31-2020, 08:28 PM
So who do we move up in the order?

Aquino or Garcia

757690
08-31-2020, 08:30 PM
Isnít the fact that the pitching has been lit up the last two days with Barnhart behind the plate so evidence that his role in their success is overstated and we can bench him?

I am all for benching Tucker and bringing up Stephenson.

But to answer your questions: No, two games with two different pitchers against two different teams isn't evidence of anything.

Tom Servo
08-31-2020, 08:30 PM
Re: Moustakas, I think he’s still hurting. Like how Brandon Phillips used to “play through the pain”. I imagine if things continue to go south they might just shut him down.

rob meehan
08-31-2020, 08:30 PM
I dunno about that. Disco hadnít fooled anyone since opening pitch. I think anyone would have been a better choice if anything just for a change of pace.


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what is rhe point of having a 9 man bullpen if you dont have anyone warming up when the starter is not on it?

Alabama Red
08-31-2020, 08:30 PM
Well I would say Jesse Winker has been great
That’s the only 4 that could be considered. We’ve still got several that still haven’t showed up for the season.

Ron Madden
08-31-2020, 08:31 PM
[QUOTE=Rolando;4145589]Amen make him the backup the rest of this year then cut him in the offseason[/QUOTEnm

Rolando
08-31-2020, 08:31 PM
I am all for benching Tucker and bringing up Stephenson.

But to answer your questions: No, two games with two different pitchers against two different teams isn't evidence of anything.
I'm still trying to figure out the one thing that Barnhart does well

ochoa30
08-31-2020, 08:32 PM
Reds have had in at em season

RedTeamGo!
08-31-2020, 08:32 PM
Now that we are nearing Disco’s tenure as a Red we can just admit he’s not very good, right?

Tom Servo
08-31-2020, 08:32 PM
I'm still trying to figure out the one thing that Barnhart does well
He has nice eyelashes

Alabama Red
08-31-2020, 08:32 PM
I think Shogo might be playing in Japan next year.

Tom Servo
08-31-2020, 08:34 PM
Now that we are nearing Disco’s tenure as a Red we can just admit he’s not very good, right?
ERA and FIP in the low 4s, he was fine. Never did reach another level outside of a few good stretches but if he’s not very good than I don’t know how you’d describe a lot of pitchers.

RedTeamGo!
08-31-2020, 08:34 PM
I just hate how much the cardinals own the Reds.

It’s clearly not a talent gap thing, they are just the Reds daddy. Let’s be honest.

Rolando
08-31-2020, 08:35 PM
I just hate how much the cardinals own the Reds.

It’s clearly not a talent gap thing, they are just the Reds daddy. Let’s be honest.

Cardinal just have better players

Ron Madden
08-31-2020, 08:36 PM
There is the problem. I think Ron is right but you got nobody to move up

Aquino or Garcia

RedTeamGo!
08-31-2020, 08:36 PM
ERA and FIP in the low 4s, he was fine. Never did reach another level outside of a few good stretches but if he’s not very good than I don’t know how you’d describe a lot of pitchers.

He’s pretty mediocre, seems like he’s had some dominant stretches and long stretches of mediocre to bat. Maybe it’s just my perception.

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Cardinal just have better players

I just don’t buy this. The cardinals roster is not that good.

Ironman92
08-31-2020, 08:38 PM
Yuck.

Not great luck, not great play...not good pitching

Ugly

Kc61
08-31-2020, 08:39 PM
The Cards have a very tough grind ahead. All the makeup games, doubleheaders. I wouldn’t concede anything to them.

The Reds have been lousy, but if they can come back and win the series they won’t be in terrible shape.

rob meehan
08-31-2020, 08:39 PM
it might be time to switch roles for Lorenzen and Disco. Lorenzen has better stuff for a starter.

Rolando
08-31-2020, 08:40 PM
He’s pretty mediocre, seems like he’s had some dominant stretches and long stretches of mediocre to bat. Maybe it’s just my perception.

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I just don’t buy this. The cardinals roster is not that good.

I don't disagree with you all I'm saying is a reds roster is below mediocre

Tom Servo
08-31-2020, 08:41 PM
Heís pretty mediocre, seems like heís had some dominant stretches and long stretches of mediocre to bat. Maybe itís just my perception.

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I just donít buy this. The cardinals roster is not that good.
Yeah I donít think they have more talent, but they clearly get more out of the guys they do have then we do.

RedTeamGo!
08-31-2020, 08:42 PM
He's hitting worse than Shogo. He's getting a shot every other game. When he starts hitting, he'll play more often.

He’s been up for 9 games and has started 4. Absolutely ridiculous overmanaging by Bell.

They keep dicking around with him and they are going to ruin his development. Just put him at SS every day and forget about it for the rest of the season.

Falls City Beer
08-31-2020, 08:42 PM
He’s pretty mediocre, seems like he’s had some dominant stretches and long stretches of mediocre to bat. Maybe it’s just my perception.

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I just don’t buy this. The cardinals roster is not that good.

They always have better players because they have the best farm in baseball. They churn out talent constantly. Their absolute worst farm year is the Reds once in a decade best crop.

Falls City Beer
08-31-2020, 08:43 PM
The Cards have a very tough grind ahead. All the makeup games, doubleheaders. I wouldn’t concede anything to them.

The Reds have been lousy, but if they can come back and win the series they won’t be in terrible shape.

Your hope is admirable. I don’t know what it’s based in, but it’s admirable.

Bushman
08-31-2020, 08:43 PM
Such a disappointment this team has been this year. Well, could've said that the last several years TBH.

Strikes Out Looking
08-31-2020, 08:43 PM
I strongly believe that teams have personalities, like people. I also believe that the Reds are a team the would succeed with consistency - 5 starting pitchers going one after another, a lineup that is the same (of course you could platoon as long as the platoon is predictable). Joey Votto is at his best when he is playing every day around 7:00 pm. And herein lies the rub, this season, even the short season, has been anything but predictable and consistent. Rain outs, Covid postponements, Senzel's mysterious covid, paternity leave -- that's a lot for a 2 month season - and that I believe is why the Reds are knocking on the door of 5 under with 25 games to go.

RedsBrick
08-31-2020, 08:46 PM
He has nice eyelashes

Technically, he doesn't 'do' anything about that...and if he does, well, that's another conversation.

InsaneinthBrame
08-31-2020, 08:47 PM
For Disco it is not a surprise that he struggled after being off 10 days. Tome it was almost expected.

NebraskaRed
08-31-2020, 08:48 PM
For Disco it is not a surprise that he struggled after being off 10 days. Tome it was almost expected.

Which is why you're ready to pull him before disaster strikes.

RedTeamGo!
08-31-2020, 08:49 PM
They always have better players because they have the best farm in baseball. They churn out talent constantly. Their absolute worst farm year is the Reds once in a decade best crop.

They absolutely do not have the best farm in baseball. Most of their players were traded for.

Falls City Beer
08-31-2020, 08:50 PM
They absolutely do not have the best farm in baseball. Most of their players were traded for.

With their farm.

mhs95_06
08-31-2020, 08:50 PM
Maybe Moose should hit lower in the order for awhile

Reds need to use spots 3-9 for those who deserve "lower in the order" spots!

mhs95_06
08-31-2020, 08:52 PM
Which is why you're ready to pull him before disaster strikes.

Yea, but he needs to throw enough pitches to get the work he needs in!

RedTeamGo!
08-31-2020, 08:53 PM
With their farm.

This has nothing to do with their current roster. It’s really not that good. Look at it.

JaxRed
08-31-2020, 08:54 PM
Surprised Lorenzen back out there

Tom Servo
08-31-2020, 08:57 PM
This has nothing to do with their current roster. It’s really not that good. Look at it.
I get the disconnect here. FCB isn’t wrong that the Cardinals are great at producing home grown talent. Most of those guys though are not top prospects like a loaded farm system has. But they get it done another way.

Now with that said it feels like the Cardinals love in this instance is a bit unwarranted. Yeah they’re kicking our ass and do have a very good minors to majors pipeline but they also regularly whiff on free agent signings, they have a history of handing out ill advised extensions to veterans, and right now are batting Brad Miller in the cleanup spot. They’re not perfect.

Falls City Beer
08-31-2020, 08:59 PM
This has nothing to do with their current roster. It’s really not that good. Look at it.

It is though. I mean maybe not Pujols era good, no, but nothing is subpar. The Reds are way below average in offense and bullpen. Cards are great in both. They get market scarcity. They know what to pay for and what to go cheap on. They Reds have all these resources tied up in the easiest thing to find in baseball: Guys who can throw 5 innings admirably. What they have none of is shut down single inning guys, the rarest thing on the market. The Cards have at least three of those guys.

In short, the Reds are always 5-7 years behind the curve.

RedTeamGo!
08-31-2020, 09:04 PM
It is though. I mean maybe not Pujols era good, no, but nothing is subpar. The Reds are way below average in offense and bullpen. Cards are great in both. They get market scarcity. They know what to pay for and what to go cheap on. They Reds have all these resources tied up in the easiest thing to find in baseball: Guys who can throw 5 innings admirably. What they have none of is shut down single inning guys, the rarest thing on the market. The Cards have at least three of those guys.

In short, the Reds are always 5-7 years behind the curve.

The cardinals are 12-13 with a +4 run differential and have Brad Miller batting cleanup.

Again, they aren’t great. They are great against the Reds.

I get it, your gimmick is to say the Reds are awful and the Cardinals are the best team in the history of sports. Hooray.

TheBigLebowski
08-31-2020, 09:06 PM
I wish it was Moustakas who had the opt-out instead of Castellanos.

Ironman92
08-31-2020, 09:06 PM
Jose Iglesias knocked one the go ahead run with a double in the top of the 11th.....batting .405 with a .970 OPS....then with 2 outs in bottom and runner on 1st and a ball down the RF line and runner from 1st looking to tie the game, Iglesias gets the relay on the OF side of the first base line and throws runner out at home to win the game.

Falls City Beer
08-31-2020, 09:06 PM
The cardinals are 12-13 with a +4 run differential and have Brad Miller batting cleanup.

Again, they aren’t great. They are great against the Reds.

I get it, your gimmick is to say the Reds are awful and the Cardinals are the best team in the history of sports. Hooray.

It’s not a long season so they won’t be able to build a massive run differential. But they have all the fundamentals to do that. Will they win a WC? Maybe not. But they have all the ingredients to do that.

Falls City Beer
08-31-2020, 09:08 PM
I wish it was Moustakas who had the opt-out instead of Castellanos.

Big mistake signing. I can’t remember who pointed out it was a mistake: the dude who lives in Colorado. Can’t remember his name.

Ironman92
08-31-2020, 09:08 PM
The cardinals are 12-13 with a +4 run differential and have Brad Miller batting cleanup.

Again, they arenít great. They are great against the Reds.

I get it, your gimmick is to say the Reds are awful and the Cardinals are the best team in the history of sports. Hooray.

Miller like an .880 OPS....Cards with 4 guys over .840 OPS playing each day.

Falls City Beer
08-31-2020, 09:09 PM
Miller like an .880 OPS....Cards with 4 guys over .840 OPS playing each day.

Exactly. They just kn what they’re doing at every turn.

RedTeamGo!
08-31-2020, 09:10 PM
It’s not a long season so they won’t be able to build a massive run differential. But they have all the fundamentals to do that. Will they win a WC? Maybe not. But they have all the ingredients to do that.

Don’t worry, they will make it, you’ll be able to root for them into the postseason!

JaxRed
08-31-2020, 09:11 PM
Are they saving the bullpen or stretching him out......?

Falls City Beer
08-31-2020, 09:13 PM
I’d replace Disco with Lorenzen and see if he can start. Because he isn’t good as a fireman.

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Don’t worry, they will make it, you’ll be able to root for them into the postseason!

Well the Reds ain’t makin it.....

Tom Servo
08-31-2020, 09:20 PM
Who had 75 PAs in the “when will Redszone call the Moustakas signing bad” pool

RedTeamGo!
08-31-2020, 09:23 PM
Who had 75 PAs in the “when will Redszone call the Moustakas signing bad” pool

Also, signing Castellanos is somehow starting to get called a bad signing.

Moose is clearly playing hurt.

Kc61
08-31-2020, 09:24 PM
Reds added players in the off-season but due to performance or injury issues the new group hasn’t helped too much.

Castellanos and Bauer have helped.

But Moose, Shogo, Miley, Strop have been so-so or injured.

And the bullpen “bounce back” group of Thornburg, Raley, Biddle, Jones, Carpenter, etc. haven’t helped much.

The problems are similar to last year. They spent and added but it hasn’t fixed much so far.

Wonderful Monds
08-31-2020, 09:26 PM
Who had 75 PAs in the “when will Redszone call the Moustakas signing bad” pool


Also, signing Castellanos is somehow starting to get called a bad signing.

Moose is clearly playing hurt.

I don’t buy into the fact that this team is necessarily playing to what they should really look like any other season, we’re in complete bizarro world this year and it’s clearly screwing with a bunch of guys. If they still look awful in like May of 2021 I’ll admit they blew it on Moose and Castellanos.

Falls City Beer
08-31-2020, 09:30 PM
Reds added players in the off-season but due to performance or injury issues the new group hasn’t helped too much.

Castellanos and Bauer have helped.

But Moose, Shogo, Miley, Strop have been so-so or injured.

And the bullpen “bounce back” group of Thornburg, Raley, Biddle, Jones, Carpenter, etc. haven’t helped much.

The problems are similar to last year. They spent and added but it hasn’t fixed much so far.

It’s amazing how Williams draws plaudits for his 3 good moves but no criticisms for his 15 bad ones.

Ron Madden
08-31-2020, 09:33 PM
Nice Play Geno

Ironman92
08-31-2020, 09:33 PM
We get mad and hate the Cardinals but they bust it down the line every single time....other than the catcher with 2000 games

Ironman92
08-31-2020, 09:35 PM
Joey oppo!

Ron Madden
08-31-2020, 09:36 PM
Single for Joey

Ron Madden
08-31-2020, 09:43 PM
Da Wink with a single!

RedTeamGo!
08-31-2020, 09:43 PM
It’s amazing how Williams draws plaudits for his 3 good moves but no criticisms for his 15 bad ones.

No criticisms?

There is a thread (started by me) about how he needs to resign.

Ron Madden
08-31-2020, 09:44 PM
Geno 3 run Bomb!!!

Tom Servo
08-31-2020, 09:45 PM
2 more please

Ironman92
08-31-2020, 09:45 PM
Suarez has went up the middle and oppo tonight

THATíS the best sign for him getting back to what we know and expect

mhs95_06
08-31-2020, 09:45 PM
Geno 3 run Bomb!!!

Rally killing HR!

Ironman92
08-31-2020, 09:46 PM
2 more please

*3

Feeling greedy, might regret later

Ironman92
08-31-2020, 09:46 PM
Rally killing HR!

Nonsense poopy pants

RedsBrick
08-31-2020, 09:47 PM
The reason why you don't let the starter labor the team out of a chance to win...

Ron Madden
08-31-2020, 09:48 PM
Come On Moose!

Red Raindog
08-31-2020, 09:50 PM
Come On Moose!

Or not


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50YrRedsFan
08-31-2020, 09:52 PM
Reds 5-9 hitters went 1 for 16. pathetic

adkindo
08-31-2020, 09:52 PM
Aquino making a lot of us look silly.....does not look good in the box in his first game back

Ron Madden
08-31-2020, 09:53 PM
Gotta beat'em tomorrow with Sonny on the mound and go from there

Tom Servo
08-31-2020, 09:53 PM
At least the final score isn’t humiliating

Save us Brian and Archie!

mhs95_06
08-31-2020, 09:54 PM
Reds 5-9 hitters went 1 for 16. pathetic

Seems like they have the proper batters in the bottom of the order.

Ron Madden
08-31-2020, 09:57 PM
Seems like they have the proper batters in the bottom of the order.

Moose is #5 so what difference does it make?
Wouldn't hurt to hit Aquino or Garcia ahead of him till he gets his mojo back

Ron Madden
08-31-2020, 09:59 PM
Box Score

https://www.mlb.com/gameday/cardinals-vs-reds/2020/08/31/631585#game_state=final,lock_state=final,game_tab= box,game=631585

mhs95_06
08-31-2020, 10:01 PM
Nonsense poopy pants

Cards had a rally finalizing 4 RBI HR that stood up for the win. Reds should have been playing for the 8-7 walk-off - needed 2 more to reach before swing for the fences. Instead Suarez hits one to close the gap to 2 runs, then bring in the closer, and the Reds, Moose and Aquino, K with hard long swings, instead of trying to scratch their way on base on those tough pitches. Rally killing because it changes the mindsets of the batters following the rally killing HR.

RedsBrick
08-31-2020, 10:08 PM
Cards had a rally finalizing 4 RBI HR that stood up for the win. Reds should have been playing for the 8-7 walk-off - needed 2 more to reach before swing for the fences. Instead Suarez hits one to close the gap to 2 runs, then bring in the closer, and the Reds, Moose and Aquino, K with hard long swings, instead of trying to scratch their way on base on those tough pitches. Rally killing because it changes the mindsets of the batters following the rally killing HR.

I kinda thought the rally killing HR was DeJong's grando, courtesy of Mr. DeSlcafani. Killed most reasonable chances for a Reds' rally.

mhs95_06
09-01-2020, 12:42 AM
I kinda thought the rally killing HR was DeJong's grando, courtesy of Mr. DeSlcafani. Killed most reasonable chances for a Reds' rally.

That's a reasonable way to look at it also.