9-1-20 Reds vs Cardinals

[Ron Madden]

First Pitch 6:40PM


1. Joey Votto (L) 1B
2. Nick Castellanos (R) RF
3. Matt Davidson (R) DH
4. Eugenio Suarez (R) 3B
5. Mike Moustakas (L) 2B
6. Aristides Aquino (R) LF
7. Jose Garcia (R) SS
8. Shogo Akiyama (L) CF
9. Curt Casali (R) C
SP Sonny Gray (R)


Cardinals
1. Kolten Wong (L) 2B
2. Tommy Edman (S) LF
3. Paul Goldschmidt (R) 1B
4. Brad Miller (L) DH
5. Paul DeJong (R) SS
6. Yadier Molina (R) C
7. Matt Carpenter (L) 3B
8. Dexter Fowler (S) RF
9. Lane Thomas (R) CF
SP Kwang Hyun Kim (L)

[Tom Servo]

The term "must win" gets thrown around a lot, but...

[davereds24]

Did Winker drop his appeal?

[CaiGuy]

The term "must win" gets thrown around a lot, but...

Yeah, now or never.

[Ron Madden]

Bobby Nightengale
@nightengalejr
FWIW, #Reds game notes say Archie Bradley will wear #23 and Brian Goodwin will wear #17. They are both expected to arrive in Cincinnati before tonight's game.

[klw]

Nevermind, I failed reading.

[Ron Madden]

Did Winker drop his appeal?



Bobby Nightengale
@nightengalejr
Jesse Winker is serving his 1-game suspension tonight.

[Ron Madden]

Bobby Nightengale
@nightengalejr
Nick Senzel will begin working out at Prasco Park today. David Bell said it'll take time for him to get back into playing shape, but that's good news.

Bell said he doesn't see anything changing with Raisel Iglesias' role. Archie Bradley is probably the next man up when Iglesias is unavailable.

[JaxRed]

Did Winker drop his appeal?

Yes.

[RedTeamGo!]

The term "must win" gets thrown around a lot, but...

From here on out Bell needs to be managing like every game is game 7 of the World Series.

That may sound like hyperbole, it is not.

[757690]

From here on out Bell needs to be managing like every game is game 7 of the World Series.

That may sound like hyperbole, it is not.

That shouldn’t be a problem for him. He’s been doing it all season long.

[Ron Madden]

The St. Louis lineup has been added to the original post

[REDREAD]

At least "Darth" Bader isn't in the lineup for the Cards.
Sonny is pitching.
We have a good shot to win this one :)

[Ron Madden]

C. トレント・ローズクランズ
@ctrent
#Reds David Bell on Goodwin: "He's going to play. He'll play a lot of LF" until Senzel returns

[mhs95_06]

At least "Darth" Bader isn't in the lineup for the Cards.
Sonny is pitching.
We have a good shot to win this one :)

I hope Sonny's start doesn't get cut short by a rain delay.

[Ron Madden]

cinnati Reds
@Reds

To make room on the 28-man roster for OF Brian Goodwin and RHP Archie Bradley, the #Reds today optioned to the alternate site OF Mark Payton and RHP José De León.

[Wonderful Monds]

Matt Dave batting 3rd has very powerful “Miguel Cairo taking Joey Votto’s spot in the lineup today” energy from back in the Dusty days

[Kc61]

Were Reds able to add Goodwin and Bradley to the forty because of Senzel?

I thought they went over by one player. Guessing Senzel doesn’t count while on the special IL.

So when he returns they need to drop a guy from 40?

[mth123]

Were Reds able to add Goodwin and Bradley to the forty because of Senzel?

I thought they went over by one player. Guessing Senzel doesn’t count while on the special IL.

So when he returns they need to drop a guy from 40?

They didn't add anyone when they DFA'd Ervin IIRC. That left them one under.

[NebraskaRed]

Sonny Gray gives up a single to the leadoff hitter in the top of the first inning.

Game's over. There is no way this team can overcome a deficit like this. I'm out.

[NebraskaRed]

That's my "extremely dramatic poster" impression.

[onehand]

That's my "extremely dramatic poster" impression.

"Foreshadowing"! LOL

[NebraskaRed]

"Foreshadowing"! LOL

Yeah, I jinxed it. Sorry everyone!

[Jomama]

That's my "extremely dramatic poster" impression.

Not so funny now is it?

[NebraskaRed]

Not so funny now is it?

Still kinda funny.

[Phoenix2]

I don't think I've seen Sonny hit this hard.

[50YrRedsFan]

Sonny Gray strikes out a lot of hitters, but the Cardinals are making contact with few swings and misses. The Reds should be in learning mode.

[Tom Servo]

I’m glad they wasted those good starts earlier in the year, it’s definitely not completely disheartening to now see the starters take lumps and feel like the game is immediately lost.

[757690]

Striking out Neck Tattoo’s with runners in scoring position will always bring joy to my heart.

[adkindo]

so he is just going to keep throwing it in the dirt and expecting a different result?

[50YrRedsFan]

Gray looking like DeSclafani did yesterday. Bad

[TheBigLebowski]

lol

go reds. Please.

[Phoenix2]

Well my viewing night ended yesterday at the grand slam. May be earlier tonight.

[BluegrassRedleg]

Glad to see everyone returned to get kicked in the jimmy again tonight.

[adkindo]

usually Sonny pitches aggressively early on....he has pitched defensively from the beginning today.....seems like we are always playing from behind

[Alabama Red]

Holy cow. Just got in and turned the game on. What a disaster this whole organization is.

[ochoa30]

Lord have mercy for real

[InsaneinthBrame]

Someone mention rain

[Phoenix2]

Going to break that incredible streak Sonny was on...earned runs...

[davereds24]

If your season is going to end, it might as well go down in flames.

[Jomama]

That's my "extremely dramatic poster" impression.

Not so funny now is it?

[adkindo]

David Bell taking up space in the dugout

[Banshee]

Welcome back to planet earth Mr. Gray.

[Jomama]

This team is just so unlucky.

[NebraskaRed]

Not so funny now is it?

It's funny when you keep asking me if it's not so funny anymore.

[50YrRedsFan]

If your season is going to end, it might as well go down in flames.

It's already a bonfire.

[Coopdaddy67]

Things could be going better.

[50YrRedsFan]

Ballgame!

[Phoenix2]

Have a good night everyone. Let's get em tomorrow!

[Alabama Red]

And they thought they needed to make trades yesterday.

[REDREAD]

Sonny has been very reliable this year, so I can't complain too much.
But man, what a horrible start at a time when we really needed to win this game :(

[ochoa30]

Next year though guys right?

[texasdave]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d0VNHe5fq30

[757690]

This team is just so unlucky.

They are so unlucky. They only play on days when the other team scores more runs.

[Tom Servo]

The term "must win" gets thrown around a lot, but...
Yeah the dream is over.

I’m officially on team Fire Bell now. There’s no good excuse for how things have gotten this bad.

[50YrRedsFan]

Next year though guys right?

Yeah, right.

[Reds]

As of right now when I'm typing this, it will be amazing if this club makes the playoffs.

[TheBigLebowski]

“It’s only the 1st inning, guys! Geez! Baseball is hard!”

-sunshine pumping, rosy cheeked perpetual optimist poster

[malcontent]

Carefully bubble-wrap Sonny now, and lay him away for the future day when Bell is no longer the manager and Votto is :pray: retired.

All the planets and stars in the Milky Way will have to be aligned for this team to have a chance.

[Banshee]

Always the Cardinals. Any chance the reds can petition the league to move into any other division?

[RedTeamGo!]

Haha this team man

[RedsFanInMS]

This is freaking ridiculous. I believe 9 one legged midgets could dress up in Cardinal uniforms and beat the Reds.

[NebraskaRed]

“It’s only the 1st inning, guys! Geez! Baseball is hard!”

-sunshine pumping, rosy cheeked perpetual optimist poster

See, that's funny!

[InsaneinthBrame]

Davidson needs to start warming up he will likely be needed tonight

[NebraskaRed]

Archie Bradley was seen boarding that private jet and flying back to Arizona.

[BluegrassRedleg]

No other organization in baseball runs their ace out there against a division rival in an almost must-win situation and sees the guy get pistol-whipped before you even come to the plate.

[Jomama]

Yeah the dream is over.

I’m officially on team Fire Bell now. There’s good excuse for how things have gotten this bad.

Welcome aboard.

[Rojo Rijo]

It’s cool, I’m sure we’ll score enough runs to make it seem like we didn’t dig a hole too deep to climb out of in the first 15 minutes. Oh we won’t score enough to win but I’m feeling a 8-5 final score.

[BluegrassRedleg]

Always the Cardinals. Any chance the reds can petition the league to move into any other division?

And the scary thing is, they suck too.

[757690]

On the plus side, the Cardinals will be exhausted after spending the first inning running around the bases.

[Jomama]

Always the Cardinals. Any chance the reds can petition the league to move into any other division?

Maybe AA ball.

[Tom Servo]

No other organization in baseball runs their ace out there against a division rival in an almost must-win situation and sees the guy get pistol-whipped before you even come to the plate.
We are indeed a rare breed.

[50YrRedsFan]

As of right now when I'm typing this, it will be amazing if this club makes the playoffs.

"What’s that? Ah - Playoffs? Don’t talk about - playoffs? You kidding me? Playoffs? I just hope we can win a game!" (Jim Mora)

[reds77]

This game is not the turning point that was needed. Sigh.

[texasdave]

Reds can come back. After all, they are running .225, .254, .212, .185, .231, .231, .231, .196 and .205 out there.

[BluegrassRedleg]

Now watch these dogs try to get out of the park as fast as possible.

[NebraskaRed]

That looked like a combination strikeout/HBP/umpire doesn't care anymore and just calls it out

[Stray]

Just got home, what the heck happened?

[TheBigLebowski]

As of right now when I'm typing this, it will be amazing if this club makes the playoffs.

It isn’t happening. 15-21, 36 games out of 60. 24 games left. They’d have to go 15-9 just to hit .500.

It’s over. That much should be obvious to everyone.

[Alabama Red]

As an organization as a whole where do the Reds rank in MLB. Has to be bottom 5 when everything is factored in.

[adkindo]

Always the Cardinals. Any chance the reds can petition the league to move into any other division?

maybe an AAA division

[757690]

Yeah the dream is over.


https://youtu.be/ulJXiB5i_q0

[BCubb2003]

I’m not sure how this one is Bell’s fault, unless people are saying he left Sonny in too long.

[adkindo]

That looked like a combination strikeout/HBP/umpire doesn't care anymore and just calls it out

why did the runner not run?

[UPRedsFan]

And the scary thing is, they suck too.

Reds have better players. Cards play better. And so do the Cubs, and so do the Brewers, and so do...

I blame Votto. A little more intensity on defense and he catches that ball and this inning is over with only 1 run scoring.

[adkindo]

I’m not sure how this one is Bell’s fault, unless people are saying he left Sonny in too long.

not about 09/01/2020....it is about the last 2 seasons

[RedTeamGo!]

I’m so tired of being a Reds fan.

It’s just not fun. Like at all.

[Ironman92]

Cardinals have to preach and teach plate approach. They work the pitcher, rarely swing at a bad pitch and hit the ball where it’s pitched.

Let’s see what the Reds do

[Tom Servo]

I’m not sure how this one is Bell’s fault, unless people are saying he left Sonny in too long.
This team has enough talent that they shouldn’t be about to be 6 games under .500. after 36 games.

It’s the managers job to get his guys prepared and ready to play each day. I see one team on the field that consistently is and one that very often isn’t.

[NebraskaRed]

Reds have a "swing at the pitch you want to see rather than the pitch you're actually seeing" approach.

It doesn't work.

[Ironman92]

Castellanos works a great AB

[TexasRedsFan]

Cast needs to be more patient there. The guy in front of you just walked and you're down 6. Make the pitcher work and wait for your pitch.

[texasdave]

This is the first time all season that I have entertained thoughts that this team might not make the playoffs. I am completely befuddled.

[InsaneinthBrame]

Down 6 already and have not even popped a beer yet.

[adkindo]

had to let the dog out....that inning ended quickly...how many runs did we score? ;)

[50YrRedsFan]

Cast needs to be more patient there. The guy in front of you just walked and you're down 6. Make the pitcher work and wait for your pitch.

Typical Reds plate approach.....rip at anything.

[BluegrassRedleg]

Cast needs to be more patient there. The guy in front of you just walked and you're down 6. Make the pitcher work and wait for your pitch.

Prime example of the difference in the two organizations.

[adkindo]

This is the first time all season that I have entertained thoughts that this team might not make the playoffs. I am completely befuddled.

thought i saw the odds yesterday around 20%

[ochoa30]

At the point where it’s hope to see progress out of the young players. This just ain’t their year.

[texasdave]

thought i saw the odds yesterday around 20%

But it was a solid 20%. :p

[Rantly]

Reds have a "swing at the pitch you want to see rather than the pitch you're actually seeing" approach.

It doesn't work.
Well stated!

[NebraskaRed]

Castellanos' AB is a perfect example of what I'm talking about.

He didn't take into consideration what he had just seen happen with Votto. Instead, he swings immediately at the first pitch and hits into a double play.

There is no strategy beyond try and hit a home run every time.

[adkindo]

what are we going to do since Davidson is @ DH.....we will need him to pitch at some point tonight

[TheBigLebowski]

At the point where it’s hope to see progress out of the young players. This just ain’t their year.

Any year that ends in 1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9 or 0 isn’t their year.

[JP321]

The Reds arent good, we know that. Watching the Cardinals continue to batter us every game, every series, almost every year... makes you wish we could play ball like they do. Dont like them, but they always seem to play winning baseball, no matter what talent they have.

[adkindo]

There is no strategy beyond try and hit a home run every time.

isn't that much of MLB 2020?

[InsaneinthBrame]

Is is too early to scoreboard watch to see how good of draft pick we will get next year. Looks like op 10will be a lock.

[mhs95_06]

why did the runner not run?

This is an example why you need an umpire, and the electronics to call the pitches that go thru the zone. The ump had to judge whether he swung or not, and if the ball hit the batter. Both happened and it was a dead ball when it hit the batter, so play is dead. But it is a strikeout for the swing and miss.

[TexasRedsFan]

Yep, this one will probably see a position player on the mound before it's over.

[mhs95_06]

A bit of a bright spot for Sonny is the HR came in the 2nd and Sims stranded Sonny's runners to keep his ERA in the low 3's instead of the high 3's.

[Bushman]

What a sorry excuse for a MLB team. Sunshine pumpers should even agree.

[NebraskaRed]

This game as represented by a Goodfellas gif.

https://media.giphy.com/media/Gjm3ah2BVKg12/giphy.gif

[ochoa30]

Somehow other teams seem to hit way more cheap homers at GABP then the reds do.

[TheBigLebowski]

Situations like these are why God created Matt Davidson.

[adkindo]

we are probably just a Mike Trout, Gerrit Cole and Francisco Lindor away from being competitive

[50YrRedsFan]

I'm sure no one wants to hear this, but this team needs to be blown up and restarted. Front office, management and coaches included. No player untouchable. Even with the offseason acqusitions, I see little improvement in how this team is performing.

[TexasRedsFan]

A bit of a bright spot for Sonny is the HR came in the 2nd and Sims stranded Sonny's runners to keep his ERA in the low 3's instead of the high 3's.

Really straining for bright spots these days, aren't we? :laugh:

[Ironman92]

Votto walks on 7 pitches....Castellanos wails at first pitch.

I’m ready to clean house with this organization.

Let the 3 worst pitchers we have finish this game.

Lose 15-1, fire Bell, Zinter and Williams

[UPRedsFan]

Is there a trash can banging noise in the Cards dugout?

Is there a forfeit option in baseball?

I'm going to go watch the news. That'll be more fun. Check the box score later to see if we get more than 4 hits. Go Reds 2021!

[Ironman92]

we are probably just a Mike Trout, Gerrit Cole and Francisco Lindor away from being competitive

Or a Terry Francona and a better organizational plan

[Tom Servo]

All the talk from the staff and management about “We believe in our guys and still expect to get on a roll and make the playoffs”. And instead they poop their pants and start playing way worse than before.

[adkindo]

I'm sure no one wants to hear this, but this team needs to be blown up and restarted. Front office, management and coaches included. No player untouchable.

there are a few pieces I would keep....but yeah it likely needs to try a mini rebuild....hard to do with Votto still around for couple years

[REDREAD]

Votto walks on 7 pitches....Castellanos wails at first pitch.

I’m ready to clean house with this organization.

Let the 3 worst pitchers we have finish this game.

Lose 15-1, fire Bell, Zinter and Williams

The crazy thing is , the front office thought it was best to BUY at the trade deadline.
I am not going to criticize what they gave up, it was scraps.
But I kind of have a problem that they thought we were one bullpen arm and one bat away from being a contender.
Dick Williams is not seeing the same team we are, and simply "doubled down".

[Wonderful Monds]

https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/facebook/000/804/617/d5b.jpg

[adkindo]

If we can get 4 runs next inning....and two runs the next inning....and a run the next inning....we will only be losing by a run..

[NebraskaRed]

All the talk from the staff and management about “We believe in our guys and still expect to get on a roll and make the playoffs”. And instead they poop their pants and start playing way worse than before.

Time and again, they face these "must win" moments and they crumble.

That's on the players, for the most part, but you gotta wonder why they crumble every time. No consequences for poor performance? I don't know.

[JP321]

To be fair, I dont understand the fire Krall and Williams thing. They went out and got proven players. Those proven players are crapping the bed. It seems the Reds are playing this season exactly how it was put together. The approach to every game is bad. I dont like David Bell and would start there with change. But I think Williams and Krall did exactly what we all wanted this offseason and went out, spent money, and improved this team on paper. Unfortunately it hasnt transferred onto the diamond.

[REDREAD]

Too bad DeLeon and Reed are gone, we could have used them to soak up innings tonight.

[TexasRedsFan]

If we can get 4 runs next inning....and two runs the next inning....and a run the next inning....we will only be losing by a run..

We probably also need to handcuff each Cardinal batter as they come to the plate. That's not against the rules, right?

[ochoa30]

I don’t expect a win but it would be nice if Aquino and Garcia can put together some nice ABs today

[malcontent]

David Bell taking up space in the dugout
I just saw his interview regarding the Votto/Winker incident where he "defended" them and also got tossed.

I had to waterboard myself just to pull out of the coma.

[BCubb2003]

To be fair, I dont understand the fire Krall and Williams thing. They went out and got proven players. Those proven players are crapping the bed. It seems the Reds are playing this season exactly how it was put together. The approach to every game is bad. I dont like David Bell and would start there with change. But I think Williams and Krall did exactly what we all wanted this offseason and went out, spent money, and improved this team on paper. Unfortunately it hasnt transferred onto the diamond.

Yes, we wouldn’t be saying any of this if Sonny Gray had been himself tonight.

[Tom Servo]

To be fair, I dont understand the fire Krall and Williams thing. They went out and got proven players. Those proven players are crapping the bed. It seems the Reds are playing this season exactly how it was put together. The approach to every game is bad. I dont like David Bell and would start there with change. But I think Williams and Krall did exactly what we all wanted this offseason and went out, spent money, and improved this team on paper. Unfortunately it hasnt transferred onto the diamond.
I agree, they did what they were supposed to do and I applaud them for that. But it didn’t work. I’m not one of those people who views everything about the Reds through the a Dick Williams prism but he is ultimately the one in charge and has final say over the mess this has become.

[REDREAD]

To be fair, I dont understand the fire Krall and Williams thing. They went out and got proven players. Those proven players are crapping the bed. It seems the Reds are playing this season exactly how it was put together. The approach to every game is bad. I dont like David Bell and would start there with change. But I think Williams and Krall did exactly what we all wanted this offseason and went out, spent money, and improved this team on paper. Unfortunately it hasnt transferred onto the diamond.

Shogo and Miley have been major disappointments. The bullpen was ignored. The big bulllpen acquisition, Strop, was quickly dumped.

I don't know what's up with Mike Moustakas. I hope he is playing hurt, because if he's in decline, that contract is going to handcuff us for a long time.
Sure ownership gave Williams some money to spend, but Williams spent a ton of money and the team really isn't that much better than last year, despite looking better on paper. He needs to be held accountable for that .

[Alabama Red]

there are a few pieces I would keep....but yeah it likely needs to try a mini rebuild....hard to do with Votto still around for couple years
Everyone in baseball operations need to be shown the door tomorrow. In baseball functions this organization doesn’t do anything well. From the draft to player development to trades to managing games and everything in between.

[NebraskaRed]

There is a culture of losing that just permeates this team. It infects any new player.

Again, there's something wrong there that needs to be addressed beyond adding one or two players or even changing managers.

[JP321]

Yes, we wouldn’t be saying any of this if Sonny Gray had been himself tonight.

Gray and Bauer have made this season watchable. They are the reason we arent 10-25 right now. But this team has been bad a majority of the season.

[Wonderful Monds]

There is a culture of losing that just permeates this team. It infects any new player.

Again, there's something wrong there that needs to be addressed beyond adding one or two players or even changing managers.

I feel like they are still cutting corners somewhere, idk where it could possibly be. But Castellini has been the common denominator for the last half decade of losing now.

[InsaneinthBrame]

least we stayed in the race later in the year than normal. Made it September.

[Alabama Red]

There is a culture of losing that just permeates this team. It infects any new player.

Again, there's something wrong there that needs to be addressed beyond adding one or two players or even changing managers.
I agree 100%. Nothing about the organization seems right to me and that’s why I think the whole baseball operations need to go.

[malcontent]

Cardboard fans needing paper bags about now.

[50YrRedsFan]

Maybe Castellini will sell the team.

[podgejeff_]

I feel like they are still cutting corners somewhere, idk where it could possibly be. But Castellini has been the common denominator for the last half decade of losing now.

Between this outing and the weird outing with Disco it makes me think something is going on as far as them knowing what our pitchers are up to.

[NebraskaRed]

Hey, it's Archie Bradley.

Gather round, kids.

[ochoa30]

Lol, welcome to the reds Arch.

[Alabama Red]

Cardboard fans needing paper bags about now.
I think that may be worth the $75 bucks.

[NebraskaRed]

I want to see Votto pitch.

Make it happen, Bell.

[JP321]

I sometimes wonder if our players play for the agenda of the name on the back of the jersey instead of the front.

[TexasRedsFan]

Cards scored 10 in one inning last year when we were up 9-0. So it can be done. Only small problem is we aren't the Cards.

[podgejeff_]

I think the Reds identified that they were behind in the pitching development and sabre department. I think steps have been taken to address that.

But development takes time, even in normal times. We've got new guys calling the drafting shots, and development was overhauled. But those steps take time. It's part of the reason they probably signed so many players, to bridge the gap until that system is churning out players.

Now as for why normally good veteran players all decided to go in the crapper at once, I have no idea.

[Banshee]

Root 'em on to victory folks, I give up for the evening.

[adkindo]

I agree, they did what they were supposed to do and I applaud them for that. But it didn’t work. I’m not one of those people who views everything about the Reds through the a Dick Williams prism but he is ultimately the one in charge and has final say over the mess this has become.

I think there is a discussion about the players we should have targeted. There is some question about if a guy would come to Cincy, but I still think 99% of the time if our offer is stronger, we get the guy. Most thought we would target Gregorius and Grandal....and I personally wanted Ozuna. To compare...

Nick Catellanos - .254 BA | 10 HR | 24 RBI | .912 OPS
Marcell Ozuna - .286 BA | 8 HR | 23 RBI | .919 OPS

Tucker Barnhart - .180 BA | 1 HR | 6 RBI | .516 OPS
Yasmani Grandal - .228 BA | 4 HR | 14 RBI | .734 OPS

Freddy Galvis - .213 BA | 6 HR | 11 RBI | .731 OPS
Didi Gregorius - .283 BA | 5 HR | 19 RBI | .850 OPS

while the differences are not huge....when you dig into the numbers, I bet there is a 3+ game difference in there.

[Alabama Red]

Cards scored 10 in one inning last year when we were up 9-0. So it can be done. Only small problem is we aren't the Cards.
Thanks, I had blocked that from my memory.

[redsfanmia]

I sometimes wonder if our players play for the agenda of the name on the back of the jersey instead of the front.

I think most players do that. The Reds are just happy losers.

[JP321]

I think there is a discussion about the players we should have targeted. There is some question about if a guy would come to Cincy, but I still think 99% of the time if our offer is stronger, we get the guy. Most thought we would target Gregorius and Grandal....and I personally wanted Ozuna. To compare...

Nick Catellanos - .254 BA | 10 HR | 24 RBI | .912 OPS
Marcell Ozuna - .286 BA | 8 HR | 23 RBI | .919 OPS

Tucker Barnhart - .180 BA | 1 HR | 6 RBI | .516 OPS
Yasmani Grandal - .228 BA | 4 HR | 14 RBI | .734 OPS

Freddy Galvis - .213 BA | 6 HR | 11 RBI | .731 OPS
Didi Gregorius - .283 BA | 5 HR | 19 RBI | .850 OPS

while the differences are not huge....when you dig into the numbers, I bet there is a 3+ game difference in there.

The Reds fascination with Tucker is baffling to me. I cant defend anything they have on that front.

I prefer not signing Didi only now because they have rushed Garcia to the bigs. IF he is our future, no reason to have Didi block him. And Ozuna and Nick are about the same

[malcontent]

All the talk from the staff and management about “We believe in our guys and still expect to get on a roll and make the playoffs”. And instead they poop their pants and start playing way worse than before.
That was a shot over the bow to Bell, IMO. They're seeing the same thing we are, just much more up close and personal.

They know they screwed the pooch on the Bell hire.

[podgejeff_]

I think there is a discussion about the players we should have targeted. There is some question about if a guy would come to Cincy, but I still think 99% of the time if our offer is stronger, we get the guy. Most thought we would target Gregorius and Grandal....and I personally wanted Ozuna. To compare...

Nick Catellanos - .254 BA | 10 HR | 24 RBI | .912 OPS
Marcell Ozuna - .286 BA | 8 HR | 23 RBI | .919 OPS

Tucker Barnhart - .180 BA | 1 HR | 6 RBI | .516 OPS
Yasmani Grandal - .228 BA | 4 HR | 14 RBI | .734 OPS

Freddy Galvis - .213 BA | 6 HR | 11 RBI | .731 OPS
Didi Gregorius - .283 BA | 5 HR | 19 RBI | .850 OPS

while the differences are not huge....when you dig into the numbers, I bet there is a 3+ game difference in there.

To be fair, we are kind of new to this whole "free agency" thing.

[NebraskaRed]

I predict that they will get a hit in this inning.

No runs, but a hit.

[JP321]

Reds did try to hire Girardi.. and when he bailed, Reds settled for the smooth talker and local boy. I wonder who would want this job to be honest. It doesnt seem attractive to the top dogs

[NebraskaRed]

I predict that they will get a hit in this inning.

No runs, but a hit.

Yep.

I have now lifted the curse that my joke placed on this game at the very beginning.

[Strikes Out Looking]

Reds did try to hire Girardi.. and when he bailed, Reds settled for the smooth talker and local boy. I wonder who would want this job to be honest. It doesnt seem attractive to the top dogs

I'm all in with Corky. Can't be any worse.

[adkindo]

I predict that they will get a hit in this inning.

No runs, but a hit.

wrong again...2 hits

[Red Raindog]

Good thing I’m late to this craporama...


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[NebraskaRed]

wrong again...2 hits

The curse is back!

[Red Raindog]

At least Davidson can pitch from the DH spot....


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[NebraskaRed]

Castellanos needs to stop swinging at whatever.

[TexasRedsFan]

What frustrates me most as a Reds fan (even before 2020) is the seeming inevitability that down 1-0 or 10-0, we won't be able to get enough guys on base to stay in the game. We have too many guys who are only capable of doing one thing and in between that thing happening, we're just watching the other team play defense. Why can't we either find higher obp guys or coach the current guys into being more patient?

[Rantly]

Between this outing and the weird outing with Disco it makes me think something is going on as far as them knowing what our pitchers are up to.
Could be, they are convicted cheaters.

[ochoa30]

This dude might opt out just to get out of Cincinnati but no ones paying him more then the Reds did. That’s for sure.

[JarrodOnVinyl]

This team seems to get the worst out of good players

[adkindo]

Reds did try to hire Girardi.. and when he bailed, Reds settled for the smooth talker and local boy. I wonder who would want this job to be honest. It doesnt seem attractive to the top dogs

I have seen people mention Larkin....is he managing in the minors? He could bring in Eric Davis at the hitting coach....I can see him losing his mind on this rosters inability to hit the ball....could even result in abusive workplace language.

[NebraskaRed]

Nice play by Garcia

[adkindo]

they are hitting us like we are a high school team

[ochoa30]

The shift seems to have been very unkind to us this year on both sides of the ball

[NebraskaRed]

Now I'm just watching out of spite.

[Edskin]

The glass half full viewpoint on this is that Thank Goodness this isn’t a full season. Can you imagine watching this team play another 100 games on top of the 25 they have remaining?

[podgejeff_]

So something weird:

In 2020:
We are 8-6 when Casali starts.
We are 7-14 when Barnhart starts.

In 2019 they're about even on percentage.

In 2018:
We are 17-18 when Casali starts.
We are 49-70 when Barnhart starts.

Could it be the way Barnhart calls games?

[adkindo]

I just do not know why I did not become a Devil Rays fan when they came to Tampa in '98. I mean when I moved to Florida in the early '90s, I became a Bucs fan and it was a fairly easy transition.....I was still young in '98 and a new team is an acceptable excuse. I really messed that one up...

[Kc61]

Reds need a modern version of the Jocketty/Baker duo. A GM and manager who have previously won in these jobs.

I have a lot of respect for the intelligence of Bell, Williams, Krall, the whole group. Creative, good ideas, aggressive, work hard.

But it never seems to add up. They need some new voices who will make it add up.

[NebraskaRed]

Baloo Piniella
@wickterrell

According to Statcast, the exit velocity of the Reds from the playoff race was measured at 167.4 mph

:laugh:

but then also

:cry:

[Rantly]

Yep.

I have now lifted the curse that my joke placed on this game at the very beginning.

Not so fast my friend :)

[adkindo]

So something weird:

In 2020:
We are 8-6 when Casali starts.
We are 7-14 when Barnhart starts.

In 2019 they're about even on percentage.

In 2018:
We are 17-18 when Casali starts.
We are 49-70 when Barnhart starts.

Could it be the way Barnhart calls games?

does not hurt that Casali improves the hitting of the lineup

[Redsfan6272]

If Bell isnt fired after this game after making a couple deadline trades, and the team looking this bad, then the front office is okay with thier team so unprepared. This is on Bell and the coaches. They wont fire the players, if they still think they can get in the playoffs, a change needs done right after this game. I would be on the phone to Bruce Bochys agent and see if they can convince him out of retirement to see if he can get more out of this team, if not then Larkin. Somethong has to change, enough with acceptance of sucking every year. They hired the wrong guy. Sadlythey are to afraid of upsetting the Bell familiy knowing Buddy is a advisor thandoing the right thing.

[podgejeff_]

I just do not know why I did not become a Devil Rays fan when they came to Tampa in '98. I mean when I moved to Florida in the early '90s, I became a Bucs fan and it was a fairly easy transition.....I was still young in '98 and a new team is an acceptable excuse. I really messed that one up...

I mean, they haven't won anything really either. About the only thing they have over us is they've been to the playoffs two more times since they've been around and got the AL title once.

And that's with advantages like a smart front office. We didn't have those luxuries.

[RedTeamGo!]

If Bell isnt fired after this game after making a couple deadline trades, and the team looking this bad, then the front office is okay with thier team so unprepared. This is on Bell and the coaches. They wont fire the players, if they still think they can get in the playoffs, a change needs done right after this game. I would be on the phone to Bruce Bochys agent and see if they can convince him out of retirement to see if he can get more out of this team, if not then Larkin. Somethong has to change, enough with acceptance of sucking every year. They hired the wrong guy. Sadlythey are to afraid of upsetting the Bell familiy knowing Buddy is a advisor thandoing the right thing.

Not only will he survive this season, Bell is getting, at minimum, all of 2021

[Redsfan6272]

So something weird:

In 2020:
We are 8-6 when Casali starts.
We are 7-14 when Barnhart starts.

In 2019 they're about even on percentage.

In 2018:
We are 17-18 when Casali starts.
We are 49-70 when Barnhart starts.

Could it be the way Barnhart calls games?

You got that right..The last time we played the Cards, bases loaded 1-2 on Molina, he calls for a outside corner pitch iim like has he even thought that Molina loves to go opposite field, throw him inside.. nope outside picth basehit.. i cant stand Barnharts game calling.

[NebraskaRed]

They used to sell worms at the 7-11 near where I grew up in Indiana.

This is the kind of talk you only get in a blowout.

[Redsfan6272]

Not only will he survive this season, Bell is getting, at minimum, all of 2021

Then watch Bauer and Cast leave.. no way they stay if Bell is manager. Thats my gut feel

[Kc61]

The problem is not this game. Today, their best pitcher blew up. Sonny Gray, a terrific pitcher, had a bad game. It happens.

The problem is that Reds are in this untenable position. They are about 60% through the season and already in “must win” territory. They need people who can figure out why and implement changes.

[podgejeff_]

does not hurt that Casali improves the hitting of the lineup

Yeah the weird thing about that is that Barnhart actually outhit Casali in team wins in 2018.

This year it's not even close, Casali enjoys something like a 200 point OPS advantage in his wins.

But I'm starting to think Tucker Barnhart is a bigger problem behind the plate than he is at the plate.

Nevermind that he's never figured out pitch framing.

[adkindo]

I mean, they haven't won anything really either. About the only thing they have over us is they've been to the playoffs two more times since they've been around and got the AL title once.

And that's with advantages like a smart front office. We didn't have those luxuries.

yeah...just seems like they have been fairly competitive for over a decade in a tough division....mostly playing meaningful baseball.

[Umkubas]

You got that right..The last time we played the Cards, bases loaded 1-2 on Molina, he calls for a outside corner pitch iim like has he even thought that Molina loves to go opposite field, throw him inside.. nope outside picth basehit.. i cant stand Barnharts game calling.

With men on, the pitch comes from the dugout

[TheBigLebowski]

I just do not know why I did not become a Devil Rays fan when they came to Tampa in '98. I mean when I moved to Florida in the early '90s, I became a Bucs fan and it was a fairly easy transition.....I was still young in '98 and a new team is an acceptable excuse. I really messed that one up...

Where in FL? Tampa? I’m in Gainesville.

[757690]

Two good AB’s from Aquino tonight. A walk and rocket to the 3B.

[Ironman92]

To be fair, I dont understand the fire Krall and Williams thing. They went out and got proven players. Those proven players are crapping the bed. It seems the Reds are playing this season exactly how it was put together. The approach to every game is bad. I dont like David Bell and would start there with change. But I think Williams and Krall did exactly what we all wanted this offseason and went out, spent money, and improved this team on paper. Unfortunately it hasnt transferred onto the diamond.

Then fire whoever is in charge or organizational strategies and growth....or game plan or whatever.....if not them it’s gotta be the higher upd

[adkindo]

Where in FL? Tampa? I’m in Gainesville.

between Orlando and Daytona on I4...(Debary)

[757690]

Nevermind that he's never figured out pitch framing.

Tucker was +4 in pitch framing last year.

[malcontent]

Not only will he survive this season, Bell is getting, at minimum, all of 2021
Don't forget the club option in 2022.

:)

[podgejeff_]

Tucker was +4 in pitch framing last year.

I could be wrong on that. That was just a reputation I've always thought he had.

But those numbers don't lie. We lose games at a crazy rate when Barnhart is catching.

[Ironman92]

Jose Iglesias is the DH for the Orioles batting 3rd (how good is their young SS at fielding lol)....batting .411 and .990 OPS

[podgejeff_]

I could be wrong on that. That was just a reputation I've always thought he had.

But those numbers don't lie. We lose games at a crazy rate when Barnhart is catching.

Also all of this really isn't pertinent to tonight.

Tonight is something else entirely.

[adkindo]

I could be wrong on that. That was just a reputation I've always thought he had.

But those numbers don't lie. We lose games at a crazy rate when Barnhart is catching.

I recall coming into last season (I think) he was ranked as one of the worst in baseball....I only know that because I think Fangraphs began to include it, and it hurt his value. then I read last year, he was on good side of the list in baseball in pitch framing. Kind of makes me wonder if their ability to truly capture and analyze is solid.

[Ironman92]

Brantley isn’t wrong

[Roy Tucker]

Just turned on the game. Saw the score. Turned off the game.

[757690]

Don't forget the club option in 2022.

:)

I’ve been trying. Thanks for reminding me ;)

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Brantley isn’t wrong

What’s he saying? I have the sound off. It’s less painful this way.

[klw]

Reds DH will end up pitching tonight.

[malcontent]

It's so simple, actually. They can either hand over Bell after this debacle of a season...:roll:

...or...

more heads will eventually roll...:roll::roll::roll::roll::roll:

[KronoRed]

I'm sure it's a pitch tipping thing again ;)

[Tony Cloninger]

Any year that ends in 1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9 or 0 isn’t their year.

Actually years ending in 0 are usually a good year followed by 9’s.

I will call 2021 as actually 2020 and be more positive of better things next year.

[Tony Cloninger]

Reds did try to hire Girardi.. and when he bailed, Reds settled for the smooth talker and local boy. I wonder who would want this job to be honest. It doesnt seem attractive to the top dogs

Bell is a smooth talker? Like David Niven or Sean Connery or Tony Danza.

[ochoa30]

Pretty sure they have more hits tonight then the reds do all year

[adkindo]

reminds me of Atari Baseball where you would hit it directly over 2nd base

[757690]

Wait, there’s three more innings of this madness? Dear God.

[RedForLife]

Bell is a smooth talker? Like David Niven or Sean Connery or Tony Danza.

Bobcat Goldthwait maybe?

[Reds Fanatic]

13-0. Can we finally get rid of Bell. Not saying tonight is all his fault but this team needs a major shakeup. No way Bell should be around for the upcoming road trip.

[Ron Madden]

Joey!

[RedForLife]

And the great Reds comeback begins! Way to go Joey!

[Reds Fanatic]

Goodwin with a double

[Jomama]

Just turned on the game. Saw the score. Turned off the game.

16487

[BCubb2003]

I recall coming into last season (I think) he was ranked as one of the worst in baseball....I only know that because I think Fangraphs began to include it, and it hurt his value. then I read last year, he was on good side of the list in baseball in pitch framing. Kind of makes me wonder if their ability to truly capture and analyze is solid.

I remember reading that Barnhart saw those numbers and start working really hard to improve.

[Alabama Red]

You’d think after Sunday and Monday they’d come out and have a good game. I think losing is just accepted in that clubhouse.

[Jomama]

Looks like Goodwin fits right in on this team.

[ochoa30]

That’s gonna cost them the game

[adkindo]

I worry that Moustakas is just not having a bad season, but is on the downward trend

[adkindo]

I think we should start the roster on a PED cycle immediately after this game

[PuffyPig]

Votto has a 810 OPS.


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[Alabama Red]

I worry that Moustakas is just not having a bad season, but is on the downward trend

That may be the reason nobody else would give him more that a one year deal. He has been bad.

[Ironman92]

Goodwin with his “when in Rome” baserunning

[Alabama Red]

Votto has a 810 OPS.


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Would have been nice if he had shown up when the season started.

[klw]

Looks like Goodwin fits right in on this team.

Did a Tootblan happen? Can't watch.

[klw]

Would have been nice if he had shown up when the season started.
He went 2-4 with homers in each of the two first games. It was later that he hit the skids.

[adkindo]

Goodwin with his “when in Rome” baserunning

I really feel like we had 10 runs in us if that rally would have continued

[Ironman92]

Did a Tootblan happen? Can't watch.

Yeah...down 30 and he gets doubled off because he thought ball was going to fall in

[RedForLife]

I think it's time for the Tyler Stephenson era to begin.

[ZakkW]

And now Iglesias breaks Casali's arm on a cross-up

[REDREAD]

Man, Inglesis just nailed Casaili hard. Feel bad for Casali.

[Ironman92]

That may have been more painful than watching this game

[Alabama Red]

He went 2-4 with homers in each of the two first games. It was later that he hit the skids.
So he showed up for two days and the took the rest of the season off until he got benched.

[Ironman92]

Votto walks on 7 pitches....Castellanos wails at first pitch.

I’m ready to clean house with this organization.

Let the 3 worst pitchers we have finish this game.

Lose 15-1, fire Bell, Zinter and Williams

Might age well

[fondfoat]

The Reds look like a collection of individuals. There is no team. They need some leadership. The general manager and manager need to start actually leading. Being critical at the right time and focusing more on poor on field performances. They need to get in some players who don't accept that losing for 60% of the season is acceptable. Teams with less talent get far more out of what they have then the Reds ever seem able to do. Stop accepting extended mediocrity!

Sounds nice on paper :)

[fondfoat]

So he showed up for two days and the took the rest of the season off until he got benched.

Who did show up? The idea is that people peak at different times. If Votto finishes the season solidly, good for him.

[Wonderful Monds]

Man, Inglesis just nailed Casaili hard. Feel bad for Casali.

Iglesias

[RedlegsFanatic]

Feels so good being able to tune into this dumpster fire every night. We’re so lucky to have the great David Bell. He’s such a baseball genius. Good thing fans aren’t allowed at the park, those 20 fans per game wouldn’t matter anyway.

[Jomama]

Feels so good being able to tune into this dumpster fire every night. We’re so lucky to have the great David Bell. He’s such a baseball genius. Good thing fans aren’t allowed at the park, those 20 fans per game wouldn’t matter anyway.

David Bell is a baseball genius. Can you imagine how bad this team would be without his stellar managerial skills?

[adkindo]

how bad do you have to be for Barnhart to PH for you?

[adkindo]

one grand slam away from single digits

[RedForLife]

Time for today's deli special... a Grand Salami.

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Time for today's deli special... a Grand Salami.

Oh well.

[RedsBrick]

Been watching the Padres recently and that team is fun to watch. Hustle, slapping the ball the other way against the shift, energy, confidence, first to third on the bases...they're fun to watch right now.

[REDREAD]

Bell has been waiting all year to put Lorenzen in CF, now he has his chance.
What a joke, honestly.

[REDREAD]

I guess Davidson has to pitch 2 innings?