9-6-20 Reds @ Pirates

[Ron Madden]

First Pitch 1:35PM


Reds
1. Joey Votto (L) DH
2. Nick Castellanos (R) RF
3. Jesse Winker (L) LF
4. Eugenio Suarez (R) 3B
5. Mike Moustakas (L) 1B
6. Brian Goodwin (L) CF
7. Freddy Galvis (S) 2B
8. Kyle Farmer (R) SS
9. Curt Casali (R) C
SP Tejay Antone (R)


Pirates
1. Erik Gonzalez (R) SS
2. Adam Frazier (L) 2B
3. Bryan Reynolds (S) LF
4. Colin Moran (L) 1B
5. Gregory Polanco (L) RF
6. Josh Bell (S) DH
7. Ke'Bryan Hayes (R) 3B
8. Cole Tucker (S) CF
9. John Ryan Murphy (R) C
SP Chad Kuhl (R)

[Ironman92]

So much for Galvis being hurt lol

Bell is so damn weird

[mth123]

Farmer at SS and Galvis at 2B is interesting. I don't think they've been impressed with Galvis at SS and that may explain Garcia. I think giving Garcia a day off is a good idea.

[REDREAD]

Hard to believe, only 20 games left in the Reds season. Unless they make the playoffs, only 3 weeks of Reds baseball left. :(

[757690]

So much for Galvis being hurt lol

Bell is so damn weird

He many have been hurt and now is better. We may never know.

[Ron Madden]

The Pirates lineup has been added to the original post

[adkindo]

It appears Bell wanted Goodwin so he would have an excuse to not give Aquino playing time.

[Ironman92]

He many have been hurt and now is better. We may never know.

Yeah...the secrets of a great team

[REDREAD]

It appears Bell wanted Goodwin so he would have an excuse to not give Aquino playing time.

Honestly though, I think Goodwin is playing great, he is arguably our best overall OF.
Small sample size, but he's probably our best defender -- that's why I said "best overall".
I realize he's off to a slow offensive start in Cincy, but I have a lot more faith that his bat will come around as opposed to Shogo or Aquino.. I fully support starting Goodwin for at least every game vs RH pitchers, I would play him every day to be honest.

LF can be the rotating OF audition spot, and the place to let Winker occasionally play defense.

[podgejeff_]

It appears Bell wanted Goodwin so he would have an excuse to not give Aquino playing time.

It seems like nobody on the Reds has any interest in giving Aquino playing time.

[Kc61]

Farmer at SS and Galvis at 2B is interesting. I don't think they've been impressed with Galvis at SS and that may explain Garcia. I think giving Garcia a day off is a good idea.

Yes, Galvis is still ok at short but probably has lost a step or two. Seems better suited for second now.

Of course it’s the Winker/Castellanos OF but hopefully it works out. Goodwin covers some ground.

[Kc61]

It appears Bell wanted Goodwin so he would have an excuse to not give Aquino playing time.

You need a center fielder. Someone who plays the position for a living.

[Patrick Bateman]

Working farmer into the rotation against a righty is odd.

I’d have Aquino in left, Winker at first, moose at second, Galvis at Ss.

Problem solved.


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[Coopdaddy67]

You need a center fielder. Someone who plays the position for a living.

It would be a lot easier for Bell to put Aquino is CF if he had two guys in the corners that were above average defensively. Instead, he has two guys that lack range and make boneheaded plays from time to time.

[podgejeff_]

Lineouts are so disappointing.

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Votto smoked that lineout at 106.3 mph.

[Coopdaddy67]

xBA .950 on that line out by Votto. Yuck.

[JaxRed]

And then Tucker makes nice catch to deny Casteallnos,

[podgejeff_]

And Castellanos hit that next lineout at 102.4 mph.

[NebraskaRed]

MLBBarrelAlert
@MLBBarrelAlert

Joey Votto (6) off RHP Chad Kuhl - 106.3 mph, 22 degrees (336 ft Lineout, .950 xBA)
93.5 mph 4-Seam Fastball

[podgejeff_]

Winker walks. Kuhl's having difficulties, even with two lucky outs.

[podgejeff_]

Suarez walks. The troubles for Kuhl continue.

[JaxRed]

Take a strike Moose

Nope... let's instead swing at ball 3 and end the inning.

[757690]

What a terrible approach by Moose. The pitcher is struggling with his control, so he swings weakly at a 2-0 pitch that was off the plate.

[Alabama Red]

It appears Bell wanted Goodwin so he would have an excuse to not give Aquino playing time.
It’s becoming pretty obvious AA is never going to be given an opportunity to win a job.

[TheBigLebowski]

Mikey M has only been slightly less of a buzzkill than Miley & SA.

[Kc61]

It would be a lot easier for Bell to put Aquino is CF if he had two guys in the corners that were above average defensively. Instead, he has two guys that lack range and make boneheaded plays from time to time.

Yeah, and if he’s going to play Aquino in CF occasionally it’s more likely to be against a lefty.

[Reds]

Antone has impressed me. Going to cover 3rd on the groundout to the left side is a good effort play.

[adkindo]

Yeah, and if he’s going to play Aquino in CF occasionally it’s more likely to be against a lefty.

Aquino and Goodwins splits are not significantly different based on the pitcher from what I recall. Maybe my memory is failing me, but has Aquino made many mistakes in the outfield when he has played? I do not really recall an error but I recall several very good plays. I think he may one of our best defensive outfielders.

[NebraskaRed]

Antone did a good job not getting rattled there.

[Kc61]

It’s becoming pretty obvious AA is never going to be given an opportunity to win a job.

I just hope Reds have a better outfield plan next year. This year they’ve had maybe a dozen guys altogether. The ones who made the team weren’t all necessarily their best. I’ve found it dizzying frankly. Just pick your four best OFers to get the main playing time and add a fifth or a utility. With depth at AAA. Decide on Aquino, one way or the other.

[NebraskaRed]

Was Votto just walking around the ballpark?

[mhs95_06]

What a terrible approach by Moose. The pitcher is struggling with his control, so he swings weakly at a 2-0 pitch that was off the plate.

It was actually in the zone, but not one he wants to swing at 2-0 unless he wants to go oppo.

[JaxRed]

It was actually in the zone, but not one he wants to swing at 2-0 unless he wants to go oppo.

No it was significantly outside. The replay showed the 'dot' even though he swung at it.

[JaxRed]

Kuhl at 39 pitches thru 2.

[Shatz1988]

Why is there so much love for Antone? He can't do the most important or basic thing of throwing strikes consistently.

[JaxRed]

Why is there so much love for Antone? He can't do the most important or basic thing of throwing strikes consistently.

It's only from the people that understand baseball.

[TheBigLebowski]

Tejay is good.

[Alabama Red]

I just hope Reds have a better outfield plan next year. This year they’ve had maybe a dozen guys altogether. The ones who made the team weren’t all necessarily their best. I’ve found it dizzying frankly. Just pick your four best OFers to get the main playing time and add a fifth or a utility. With depth at AAA. Decide on Aquino, one way or the other.
After the last two years I think bringing all these guys in to compete is hurting the team. Baseball players need to know they are going to play and we end up with a bunch of guys looking over their shoulder and pressing. They also don’t get enough at bats in the spring and then the season starts and we’re platooning and trying to give everyone starts. Like you said, pick 4 and go with them from day one of spring training.

[adkindo]

Tejay is good.

I really like him, but he kind of feels like found money also. I recall he was pretty good last year in minors, but I do not recall hearing much hype about his since we drafted him in 2014. Then suddenly, you have a competent starting pitcher that is 26 years old and many years of team control.

[NebraskaRed]

Why is anyone swinging at anything at this point.

Because then you hit a 2-run home run, that's why.

[Reds Fanatic]

Castellanos homers!! 2-0 Reds

[adkindo]

Nick with the BIG FLY!!! Reds up 2-0

[TheBigLebowski]

Nicky!!!

[Reds]

Was about to say we need to make kuhl pay for his mistakes this inning

[TheBigLebowski]

I really like him, but he kind of feels like found money also. I recall he was pretty good last year in minors, but I do not recall hearing much hype about his since we drafted him in 2014. Then suddenly, you have a competent starting pitcher that is 26 years old and many years of team control.

Guessing it had a lot to do with Drivetime.

[mhs95_06]

No it was significantly outside. The replay showed the 'dot' even though he swung at it.

I apologize, you are correct. I went back on the Pirate ATT network and tailed a lot right at the end. When I watched I had seen it on the plate. Before I typed what i did, I went back at the chart on MLB gameday and it showed it tipping the edge of the zone.

Now Castellanos gets a sinker in the upper middle part of the zone and hits it out to CF for the 2-0 lead.

[Kc61]

After the last two years I think bringing all these guys in to compete is hurting the team. Baseball players need to know they are going to play and we end up with a bunch of guys looking over their shoulder and pressing. They also don’t get enough at bats in the spring and then the season starts and we’re platooning and trying to give everyone starts. Like you said, pick 4 and go with them from day one of spring training.

And, as I’ve said too many times, they could have bolstered other areas by trading off the overflow of OFers.

It was a strange off-season with COVID, so maybe Reds couldn’t finish off the roster with late deals. From Aquino’s perspective, I don’t think this approach was helpful to him.

[adkindo]

Moose hits one off the wall for a double!

[Alabama Red]

Not a lot of hustle on that hit by Moustakas.

[Big Klu]

Nick Castellanos is now tied with Roberto Kelly for 27th place among players of Hispanic heritage on the Reds all-time home run list.


1. Tony Perez [🇨🇺] - 287
2. Eugenio Suarez [🇻🇪] - 155
3. Dave Concepcion [🇻🇪] - 101
4. Leo Cardenas [🇨🇺] - 72
5. Edwin Encarnacion [🇩🇴] - 71
6. Wily Mo Peña [🇩🇴] - 54
7. Cesar Geronimo [🇩🇴] - 44
8. Felipe Lopez [🇵🇷] - 41
9. Bo Diaz [🇻🇪] - 39
10. Javier Valentin [🇵🇷] - 34
11. Cesar Cedeño [🇩🇴] - 30
12. Mariano Duncan [🇩🇴] - 28
12. Jose Peraza [🇻🇪] - 28
14. Jose Guillen [🇩🇴] - 27
15. Juan Castro [🇲🇽] - 25
16. Ramon Hernandez [🇻🇪] - 24
17. Eduardo Perez [🇺🇸/🇵🇷] - 23
18. Yasiel Puig [🇨🇺] - 22
19. Alex Ochoa [🇺🇸/🇨🇺] - 20
20. Luis Quiñones [🇵🇷] - 19
20. Benito Santiago [🇵🇷] - 19
20. D'Angelo Jimenez [🇩🇴] - 19
20. Alex Gonzalez [🇻🇪] - 19
20. Aristides Aquino [🇩🇴] - 19
25. Juan Encarnacion [🇩🇴] - 16
26. Miguel Cairo [🇻🇪] - 13
27. Roberto Kelly [🇵🇦] - 12
27. Nick Castellanos [🇺🇸/🇨🇺] - 12
29. Jose Iglesias [🇨🇺] - 11
29. Freddy Galvis [🇻🇪] - 11
31. Ruben Rivera [🇵🇦] - 10

[adkindo]

Seems like there are significantly more check swing strikes in baseball in recent years than ever before....is that tracked somewhere? Also, is that just poor habits by the hitters?

[JaxRed]

That was nice swing by Frazier

[JaxRed]

That was passed ball, not sure why they are talking about Antone. It surprised Casali by how much it moved,

[adkindo]

Goodwin does not appear to have a CF worthy arm

[Coopdaddy67]

Goodwin does not appear to have a CF worthy arm

Like Brantley said, you ain't getting Frazier from 2B with 2 outs.

[JaxRed]

Need to get this last guy and end the inning.

[BCubb2003]

Sometimes you miss the cutoff man, sometimes the cutoff man misses you.

[NebraskaRed]

Things are really unraveling here for Antone.

[adkindo]

Like Brantley said, you ain't getting Frazier from 2B with 2 outs.

not convinced that Aquino could not have made it close

[Kc61]

Goodwin does not appear to have a CF worthy arm

As Brantley just explained nobody on the Reds acted as the cut off man.

Without a cut off man Goodwin has to throw all the way home.

Every throw from mid-CF is not going to be a perfect strike to home.

[Big Klu]

Sometimes you miss the cutoff man, sometimes the cutoff man misses you.

I'm sure it's Votto's fault.

[TexasRedsFan]

Another run that wouldn't have scored without a Reds defensive miscue (passed ball).

[mhs95_06]

Goodwin does not appear to have a CF worthy arm

Neither does Shogo, and Senzel had shoulder surgery.

[BCubb2003]

Whatever button Derrick Johnson pushes in Antone should be installed in all the pitchers.

[Coopdaddy67]

not convinced that Aquino could not have made it close

Jose Guillen couldn't have made that close.

Goodwin was throwing it to a cutoff man that never arrived.

[Kc61]

Aquino had 732 minor league games in RF and 6 in CF.

If they saw him as a CFer he would have played CF more.

The issue with AA is why others are playing the corners instead of him; CF isn’t his position.

[adkindo]

Jose Guillen couldn't have made that close.

Goodwin was throwing it to a cutoff man that never arrived.

he was throwing to a cutoff man? I just went back and watched the play, where should the cutoff man have been set up? The ball Goodwin threw from shallow CF was 6-7' off the pitchers rubber on the 3rd base side. He will get another chance and I will take a look...maybe I was wrong, just looked like a very average arm at best to me which is not a great fit for CF.

[mhs95_06]

Good job by Antone covering 1st. Was there stationary to take the throw stationary after Moose fumbled it. I can just see a problem with the throw from Moose trying to pick the ball up, turning and throwing to a moving target!

[Kc61]

he was throwing to a cutoff man? I just went back and watched the play, where should the cutoff man have been set up? The ball Goodwin threw from shallow CF was 6-7' off the pitchers rubber on the 3rd base side. He will get another chance and I will take a look...maybe I was wrong, just looked like a very average arm at best to me which is not a great fit for CF.

Middle of the infield. Fielder shouldn’t be throwing home in that spot, allows the runner to advance.

[adkindo]

not sure where that 3rd ball missed

[JaxRed]

OK we need to get some more runs.....

[mhs95_06]

Notice that today when Galvis is at 2B he plays in shallow RF on the shift, as he does when the SS, also. But when Moose is at 2nd, he plays behind 2B on the shift.

[TexasRedsFan]

Winker has really cooled off of late. All those early homers may have gone to his head.

[Coopdaddy67]

he was throwing to a cutoff man? I just went back and watched the play, where should the cutoff man have been set up? The ball Goodwin threw from shallow CF was 6-7' off the pitchers rubber on the 3rd base side. He will get another chance and I will take a look...maybe I was wrong, just looked like a very average arm at best to me which is not a great fit for CF.

Middle of the infield. That's supposed to get cut every single time.

Frazier was already around 3B and then put it on cruise control when Casali abandoned the plate to go get the ball.

[TexasRedsFan]

Reds should have at least 4 on the board by now. Many missed opportunities.

[Kc61]

Winker has really cooled off of late. All those early homers may have gone to his head.

TV announcers saying Winker trying too hard to pull it over the fence.

Maybe explains his slipping to one knee after some swings.

They suggest he just hit like Winker.

[JaxRed]

LIke to see Antone finish this inning to get the win if we hold the lead.....

[JaxRed]

What's the yellow thing Antone has in his mouth? Doesn't looks like a mouth guard, Looks more like a retainer....

[TexasRedsFan]

Antone looking like a potential 2021 replacement for Disco (who I believe I'd let walk).

[NebraskaRed]

Not sure if Antone will come out for the 6th, but either way, he did a good job today.

[mhs95_06]

Galvis with a great slide and throw, but not close to getting Frazier.

[JaxRed]

Antone looking like a potential 2021 replacement for Disco (who I believe I'd let walk).

I keep waiting in fear of a 'Antone is too valuable in the pen' statement....

[mhs95_06]

Does Bell pinch hit Davidson this inning?

[TexasRedsFan]

Does Bell pinch hit Davidson this inning?

Hope not. He hasn't done jack except pitch lately.

[JaxRed]

Did Moran call himself an idiot for swinging at that pitch?

[NebraskaRed]

I'm not a huge fan of Jim Day, but the broadcast has been so much better without Thom.

More relaxed, more interesting discussions, funnier.

[757690]

Did Moran call himself an idiot for swinging at that pitch?

Did he say, “Get a brain, Moran”?

16497

[NebraskaRed]

Did he say, “Get a brain, Moran”?

16497

I think about this every single time he comes to the plate.

[TexasRedsFan]

I'm not a huge fan of Jim Day, but the broadcast has been so much better without Thom.

More relaxed, more interesting discussions, funnier.

Absolutely agree. And I like what LeCure brings as well. Wouldn't mind having him as 3rd guy for the whole game.

[JaxRed]

I'm think we need to shut them out rest if the way...........

[Kc61]

Brewers losing 4-1 at Cleveland, bottom seventh.

[Tom Servo]

The mediocrity of this offense is infuriating. They were built to pummel teams, not try and win games by scoring 2 runs.

[BCubb2003]

With Jim Day, LeCure and Brantley in the booth at the same time, the goofiness level goes up quite a bit, although Jim Day knows enough to dial himself back little. I miss Welsh’s relaxed, well-informed seriousness to balance it out.

[TexasRedsFan]

The mediocrity of this offense is infuriating. They were built to pummel teams, not try and win games by scoring 2 runs.

It's been a sad sight. Seems like all they can do is wait for the next home run.

[Jomama]

Nate Jones? You gotta be kidding me.

[RedsfaninMT]

Surreal day for me. Checking in on the game, but a fire is burning houses down within a mile of our home. Neighbors across the I-90 have been evacuated. Snow in the forecast for tomorrow, after a record high of 96 yesterday. It's a strange world. Why am I watching baseball? I need the distraction, but the Reds are more frustrating than I'd like!

[mhs95_06]

Pirate announcers saying Jones is giving up the 6th highest exit velocity in the league.

[JaxRed]

This is probably the crucial frame. Need Jones to get one inning.....

[TexasRedsFan]

Jones does his job. 2-1 Reds, 2 frames to go.

[Kc61]

Not the best hitters, but Jones with a clean inning, helped out the pen there.

[Ron Madden]

Good Job Mr Jones

[TheBigLebowski]

Great job, Nate. Now let’s get some runs.

[Kc61]

I would usually say let’s add a run.

But with this team, let’s get a homer.

[TexasRedsFan]

Surreal day for me. Checking in on the game, but a fire is burning houses down within a mile of our home. Neighbors across the I-90 have been evacuated. Snow in the forecast for tomorrow, after a record high of 96 yesterday. It's a strange world. Why am I watching baseball? I need the distraction, but the Reds are more frustrating than I'd like!

Crazy. Hope you stay safe. Snow in September and 96 degrees in Montanna both seem unfathomable to me.

[mhs95_06]

Who is going to pitch the 8th and 9th? Iggy and Bradley?

[JaxRed]

Who is going to pitch the 8th and 9th? Iggy and Bradley?

Saw Bradley up in the bullpen earlier.

[Kc61]

Winker walks. Seventh Reds walk.

Will they pinch run? Guess not yet.

Suarez now. K, one out.

[Roy Tucker]

Winker walks. Seventh Reds walk.

Will they pinch run? Guess not yet.

Suarez now.

Bell must be sleeping.

[Kc61]

Davidson coming up for Goodwin.

I guess Shogo will take over in CF.

Nothing for Reds in 8th.

[WVRedsFan]

Not Davidson again!

[TexasRedsFan]

Davidson over Aquino again. Sigh.

[JaxRed]

OK, so Davidson will hit, which means you need to sub him out for an OF, rather than just hit the OF. Kind of dumb.

[Tom Servo]

Nik Turley and his 8.16 career ERA too much for heart of the Reds order that inning.

[NebraskaRed]

So many missed opportunities.

[TexasRedsFan]

2 runs after getting 7 walks is just putrid.

This one has an Iglesias walk-off feel, I'm afraid.

[Kc61]

Sometimes I think the bright sun in day games is bothering the Reds hitters. I’m grasping at straws, I know.

[NebraskaRed]

It always seems like they fall asleep during Sunday afternoon games.

[JaxRed]

Wonder why Lorenzen and not Bradley?

[Kc61]

Lorenzen over Bradley seems odd since Mike had so much work last night.

One out, nice play Galvis.

[Roy Tucker]

Ground ball skittered a little too slowly to turn two.

[TexasRedsFan]

Wonder why Lorenzen and not Bradley?

Bell loves those biceps.

And he brought the gas can today. I thought we'd established that he's not a late inning pitcher.

[Red Raindog]

I’m never comfortable with Lorenzen


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[Shatz1988]

Lorenzen just isn't very good.

[NebraskaRed]

https://media.giphy.com/media/VAmsiZRg8UFIQ/giphy.gif

Me coming back to the game after being out of the room for the last 10 minutes.

[Tom Servo]

Lorenzen just isn't very good.
He seemed to have recovered there into providing solid middle relief work, not sure why he was picked as a setup guy today.

[Roy Tucker]

Bringing in Iglesias for the multi inning save.

I guess with a day off tomorrow, they’ll burn him up today.

[Hamilton95]

Lorenzen just isn't very good.

Should have just pinch hit him over davidson and then put him in CF lol. Davidson sucks.

[Kc61]

Sims, Bradley would seem to be available.

Too late now, go Iggy.

[JaxRed]

Lorenzen just isn't very good.

You've now made 15 posts. Every one has criticized someone on the Reds, or the Reds themselves. I eagerly await something that meets your approval.

[Roy Tucker]

Ow.

[Ron Madden]

WTG Iggy!!!

[NebraskaRed]

Nicely done.

Also seemed like Shogo forgot what out it was.

[Coopdaddy67]

Sims, Bradley would seem to be available.

Too late now, go Iggy.

Sims pitched the past two days, so I wouldn't be surprised if they didn't want him going three in a row.

[Roy Tucker]

Nice and tidy pitching by Iglesias. Love that.

[Kc61]

Looking for anther long ball, Reds.

Wonder if Iggy goes another or Bradley.

Probably Iggy goes out there for ninth.

[Ron Madden]

Sims pitched the past two days, so I wouldn't be surprised if they didn't want him going three in a row.

Right.
They showed him sitting in the stands with Sonny and other pitchers earlier today

[Kc61]

Shadows.

Good, as long as for both sides equally.

[Roy Tucker]

Shadows get longer in September.

[wally post]

HI everyone. Galvis... please, a little help

[Coopdaddy67]

Galvis has been pretty unlucky today.

[Roy Tucker]

Looking for anther long ball, Reds.

Wonder if Iggy goes another or Bradley.

Probably Iggy goes out there for ninth.

Yep. Iglesias looked pretty sharp in the 8th and didn’t throw many pitches. I’d say they go with him.

[TexasRedsFan]

It always seems like they fall asleep during Sunday afternoon games.

1-4 on Sundays thus far (the one winning day did see 2 wins in the Tigers dh.

[Powder River]

1-4 on Sundays thus far (the one winning day did see 2 wins in the Tigers dh.

Wow, I just noticed another Reds fan living in Austin, Texas!

[JaxRed]

Uh oh...... Bell singles.

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If I was Charley Hayes I'd ask for a paternity test....

[wally post]

Is anyone warming up?

[Ron Madden]

Two cheap singles for Pirates

[Kc61]

Trouble.

[TheBigLebowski]

Could see this coming. And there is no excuse for losing this one.

[mhs95_06]

Could see this coming. And there is no excuse for losing this one.

Just like 2nd game Friday!

[TexasRedsFan]

Feel like we've seen this movie before.

That passed ball in the 3rd was huge. Would still have a 2 run cushion. Of course, no runs scored outside of one Cast swing is again the real problem.

[Umkubas]

Every one has criticized someone on the Reds, or the Reds themselves. I eagerly await something that meets your approval.

I have criticized Suarez for his poor batting average in the first 35 games but Suarez has increased his batting average with key hits, both doubles and home runs........Well Done

[NebraskaRed]

Of course

[Coopdaddy67]

Welp, that's basically the game.

[Roy Tucker]

Bah. Pirates with some soft contact but Reds are unlucky.

[TheBigLebowski]

Ballgame. I hate this team.

[wally post]

I think Day said the REds received 7 walks yet still couldn't score. They really have hitting problem. Every team they play looks better than them - dropped balls, bad throws, excuse excuse.

[WVRedsFan]

Iggy just can't hold a lead. Against this team, it's not good.

[Red Buckeye]

Wonderful craptastic offense is absent again today. No playoffs for this group of titanic underachievers. I bet the other teams in the Central laughed when many picked the Reds to win the division. How foolish all of the believers look now...

[Shatz1988]

Don't let it get to you. They just aren't good. It's a 151 year tradition.

[RedlegsFanatic]

Dumpster fire.
We have the worst manager in baseball.
Why on earth would the 2nd baseman be pulled that far close to 2nd?
I’m done with Iggy too. Time to move on.

[Coopdaddy67]

The Reds legitimately must be the unluckiest team in baseball at the plate. They've hit the ball hard several times today and have nothing to show for it outside of the HR.

[Roy Tucker]

Iglesias pitch count getting too high.

[TexasRedsFan]

Asking Iggy to get 5 outs on his 3rd straight day pitching with Bradley available is not wise.

[podgejeff_]

Well, that's one out.

[Kc61]

Iglesias pitch count getting too high.

Yes, one out, I’d make the change to Bradley. He threw grounders last night.

[paulrichjr]

Asking Iggy to get 5 outs on his 3rd straight day pitching with Bradley available is not wise.

Yes. Why? I just don’t understand Bell at all. Bradley is there for?

[WVRedsFan]

What kind of throw was that on a short fly ball?

[RedlegsFanatic]

Too pathetic for words

[Roy Tucker]

What the hell kind of throw was that?

[JaxRed]

Why were they tagging him? He was already out wasn't he?

[podgejeff_]

What kind of throw was that on a short fly ball?

Akiyama's arm is...not good.

[Tom Servo]

heckuva job Iggy

Just an awful series. I can't convince myself anymore that this team is going to get on any sort of run or even reach .500 again, they just can't get out of their own way. At this point I would be incredibly disappointed to see Bell return next year, the underperformance here is simply astounding.

[Reds Fanatic]

Just a brutal loss. You can’t be a playoff team and lose games like that to the Pirates

[Red Buckeye]

Haha wow that throw wasn't even close. A great throw may have had a shot but that pathetically dribbled in.

[TexasRedsFan]

Today is the season condensed into one game.

They still could sneak into the playoffs, but they don't deserve to.

[TheBigLebowski]

That’s it. Screw this.

[wally post]

I can't say the dirty words I'm thinking. All the Reds can do is challenge the play.

[Ironman92]

No offense

[Alabama Red]

We’re just not a good team.

[Bushman]

Wow. Suck is not strong enough. This team is unmentionable. What a bunch of clowns.

[Kc61]

Reds will need a number of changes in the off-season, on the management side and the personnel side.

They just aren’t very good.

[TexasRedsFan]

heckuva job Iggy

Just an awful series. I can't convince myself anymore that this team is going to get on any sort of run or even reach .500 again, they just can't get out of their own way. At this point I would be incredibly disappointed to see Bell return next year, the underperformance here is simply astounding.

Yep. Again it's not all Bell's fault, but we've seen enough to know we'll never be a winning team with him in the dugout.

[Ron Madden]

Box Score

https://www.mlb.com/gameday/reds-vs-pirates/2020/09/06/631116#game_state=final,lock_state=final,game_tab= box,game=631116

[NebraskaRed]

3 hits off of that stellar Pirates pitching crew.

Take a bow, Reds.

[paulrichjr]

Iggy will probably blame it on that he shouldn’t be expected to pitch to more than 3 batters.


Bell will blame it on how much faith he has in his closer.

The offense will blame it on bad luck

The Pirates will blame it on them being just as good as the Reds are and they will probably be right. Pathetic

[WVRedsFan]

heckuva job Iggy

Just an awful series. I can't convince myself anymore that this team is going to get on any sort of run or even reach .500 again, they just can't get out of their own way. At this point I would be incredibly disappointed to see Bell return next year, the underperformance here is simply astounding.So many bad decisions. What baffles me is guys like Moose and even Cast have proven records of raking and not hitting now.

[Red Buckeye]

Aren't the Reds stuck with Shogo for multiple years? Yikes.

Maybe a different manager can get more out of this group. On paper they are better than this right?

[Shatz1988]

I'm not afraid to say that Bell might be one of the worst managers ever. This is a complete and utter disaster.

[Roy Tucker]

A dull thud of a loss.

Execute the pitches and execute the plays and you get the W. But that was just an incompetent loss.

[Reds]

Bell botched the bullpen. Had the chance to bring in Bradley to start the 8th inning and didn't. Had the chance to bring him in to start the 9th and.. didn't. This was the most must win game so far this year and you leave the arm you traded for cold in the pen and ask your closer to get a 5 out save. Complete trash.

[JaxRed]

I'm think we need to shut them out rest if the way...........

We didn't.....

[texasdave]

A split in Pitt is unacceptable. One hot week gets them into the playoffs, but is this team capable?

[Reds]

A split in Pitt is unacceptable. One hot week gets them into the playoffs, but is this team capable?

Unlikely, but possible. The manager has lost my faith after this outing day. I would fire him tomorrow.

[NebraskaRed]

A split in Pitt is unacceptable. One hot week gets them into the playoffs, but is this team capable?

No.

If they can't do more than 3 hits off of these pitchers today, then the answer is no.

[Kc61]

Bell botched the bullpen. Had the chance to bring in Bradley to start the 8th inning and didn't. Had the chance to bring him in to start the 9th and.. didn't. This was the most must win game so far this year and you leave the arm you traded for cold in the pen and ask your closer to get a 5 out save. Complete trash.

I get the frustration but the problems are deeper than Bell.

The team doesn’t hit for average, field, run, or close out games.

Otherwise, they’re great.

[Alabama Red]

A split in Pitt is unacceptable. One hot week gets them into the playoffs, but is this team capable?
No, it’s just a collection of inconsistent players who don’t know how to win and a clueless manager. There is really no foundation to build on. Time to clean house and rebuild.

[Red Raindog]

Somewhere I read that the hitting coach is preaching a walk and a bomb

Don’t see good results so far.


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[WVRedsFan]

On another note, who dresses Sam LeCure? His outfits are horrible. Kind of like the Reds offense.

[Reds]

I get the frustration but the problems are deeper than Bell.

The team doesn’t hit for average, field, run, or close out games.

Otherwise, they’re great.

yeah but really up until today I had been okay with letting Bell finish the season and today I decided I was wrong. The manager is there to put the team in a place to win a game like today where we didn't hit very much with proper use of the bullpen late and bell didn't get it done. Players didn't get it done but Bell hung Iggy out to dry.

[Alabama Red]

Somewhere I read that the hitting coach is preaching a walk and a bomb

Don’t see good results so far.


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We got a Bunch of duds instead of bombs.

[TexasRedsFan]

The team doesn’t hit for average, field, run, or close out games.

Otherwise, they’re great.

:laugh:

[Bruce Berenyi]

yes a lot has changed this week

[Bushman]

Hate this, but this group had me excited but have turned out to be one of my most un-liked teams ever. They will not hesitate to disappoint and underachieve.

C'mon man, a split with the Pirates....

[Kc61]

The line score says it all.

Reds 2 3 2
Bucs 3 9 0

3 hits and 2 errors for a days’ work.

[WVRedsFan]

Somewhere I read that the hitting coach is preaching a walk and a bomb

Don’t see good results so far.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk ProIf that is indeed true, and I find it hard to believe, then he should go immediately. Now.

[texasdave]

20 hits in 4 games against the second-worst staff in the league. OUCH!

[NebraskaRed]

20 hits in 4 games against the second-worst staff in the league. OUCH!

Blame Bell, blame Iglesias, blame whoever, but that's the main problem right there.

[757690]

Even if they were winning, the Reds are just a boring team. There is no one to get excited about watching, lots of boring innings, lots of sloppy play. I can take bad. I can't take bad and boring.

[texasdave]

After watching those two throws in the 9th, one would think that Nick Castellanos would be begging to be the DH.

[CrackerJack]

Feel like I'm watching a softball team full of big beer-swillers who just hit home runs or do nothing else at the plate. So tired of the infatuation with that style of player in these small ballparks, too many of them who bring nothing else to the table other than HR's and K's, mediocre defense, no real speed, no other high level skills that stand out. Just boring frankly. And every pitcher has to throw 100 mph now until their arm falls off. At what point do they move on from this management team and style in the front office? They aren't building good, balanced rosters, they can barely scratch one together with this farm system half the time. Frustrating.

[WVRedsFan]

Really, it goes back to pinch hitting .163-batting Davidson. Lots of choices, including Aquino, but you can't expect a bad hitter like Davidson who is only batting only .229 for his career and who is only getting a hit 23% of the time. Why does he do such foolish things. Erase a good fielder with someone you should know has a weak arm with less than two outs is a liability. But Bell.

[Red Raindog]

If that is indeed true, and I find it hard to believe, then he should go immediately. Now.

It’s in this article

Do damage or take a walk

I guess it could be interpreted a couple ways though

https://www.mlb.com/news/eugenio-suarez-hits-three-home-runs-vs-pirates


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[NebraskaRed]

It’s in this article

Do damage or take a walk

I guess it could be interpreted a couple ways though

https://www.mlb.com/news/eugenio-suarez-hits-three-home-runs-vs-pirates


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Yeah, I interpreted that as "get on base any way you can"

[WVRedsFan]

It’s in this article

Do damage or take a walk

I guess it could be interpreted a couple ways though

https://www.mlb.com/news/eugenio-suarez-hits-three-home-runs-vs-pirates


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk ProUnbelievable. How stupid.

[RedlegsFanatic]

This team can’t even close out a game vs the worst team in baseball. This is so sad. The most important game of the season thus far, a chance to win 3 of 4 on the road, and can’t get it done. Bull pen just continues to throw ball 1 after ball 1 to every hitter. Iggy had no business pitching today. What’s the point in even getting Bradley? David Bell just has no clue. No clue how to run a bull pen or even a MLB team. What are we doing here?

[RedlegsFanatic]

Really, it goes back to pinch hitting .163-batting Davidson. Lots of choices, including Aquino, but you can't expect a bad hitter like Davidson who is only batting only .229 for his career and who is only getting a hit 23% of the time. Why does he do such foolish things. Erase a good fielder with someone you should know has a weak arm with less than two outs is a liability. But Bell.

Easily.... and I mean easily BY FAR, we have the worst manager in baseball.
He’s not Bryan Price bad, but he sucks that’s for sure.

[WVRedsFan]

This team can’t even close out a game vs the worst team in baseball. This is so sad. The most important game of the season thus far, a chance to win 3 of 4 on the road, and can’t get it done. Bull pen just continues to throw ball 1 after ball 1 to every hitter. Iggy had no business pitching today. What’s the point in even getting Bradley? David Bell just has no clue. No clue how to run a bull pen or even a MLB team. What are we doing here?The Great David Bell says, "We have faith in our bullpen," is a sign that he's not going to take the blame. It's all on "we" and not him. Kind of like a kid saying I threw the ball but he told me to.

[Bushman]

Easily.... and I mean easily BY FAR, we have the worst manager in baseball.
He’s not Bryan Price bad, but he sucks that’s for sure.
I don't really disagree but I'd add we have a bunch of players that aren't worth half of what they're getting paid. Toxic combination if you are cursed with being a fan of this team.
Bad coach and mediocre players. This is the result.

[RedlegsFanatic]

Could you even imagine after Mark McGuire hit 49 HR as a rookie in ‘87 if he didn’t even make the team in ‘88?
Could u even image the outrage the fan base would have had? Not to mention all the “why” questions from the media and everyone else?
That’s basically what we are dealing with from Aquino.
The dude broke big time HR records as a rookie and can’t even get an everyday spot even with a DH.
Guys like Shogo, Davidson, even earlier Travis Jokeski, etc, getting at bats.
He’s not going to repeat anything only playing here and there.
He should be an everyday player. PERIOD.
This is the Home Run era people, and he hits HOME RUNS.

[woodyjoe]

Akiyama has no arm. Aquino would have made that play close.

[Bruce Berenyi]

I cant say it,, everything is fine,, the bullpen i s solid and getting likes is the most i mportant thing

[onehand]

Akiyama has no arm. Aquino would have made that play close.

Puig would have thrown him out!!

[RedsBrick]

Easily.... and I mean easily BY FAR, we have the worst manager in baseball.
He’s not Bryan Price bad, but he sucks that’s for sure.

Are we sure?

[sdm24]

Somewhere I read that the hitting coach is preaching a walk and a bomb

Don’t see good results so far.


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That is very obvious from the way they take pitches and get behind in counts and then get 2 strikes and swing out of their shoes. I absolutely hate saying it but offensively this team is unwatchable.

[REDREAD]

A split in Pitt is unacceptable. One hot week gets them into the playoffs, but is this team capable?

I agree, this was a golden opportunity to close the gap. Instead, the Reds can only get a split.
Reds need to go 12-7 the rest of the way , just to finish 500 (If they are lucky, that gets them into the playoffs)
I just don't see it happening. I hope it does, but that's a lot to ask, given that 15 of the 19 games left are against hard teams.
Yes, I am counting the Brewers as hard, I know that's debatable.

[Redsfan6272]

This is words from our closer after the game:


“I was trying to focus myself on pitching lower in the strike zone and get a slow roller to get a double play,” Iglesias said. “Unfortunately, that's not what happened. I tried my best to do that, but [sometimes] things like that happen in baseball, and unfortunately, it just didn't go my way today.”

Did he not know the bases were not loaded and you cant get a groundball doubleplay with runners on 2nd and 3rd with one out????? Plus Bell was dumb not to walk the bases loaded to setup a force at the plate.

[Patrick Bateman]

Unbelievable. How stupid.

It’s actually not a bad strategy at face value. Look for a pitch you can make good contact on... don’t expand your strike zones or areas of the plate you hit weakly.

In Suarezs quote he’s talking about hitting line drives and not necessarily swinging completely uphill... hone runs a function of line drives.

These aren’t bad principles.

I would assume (maybe a big assumption) that some form of situational hitting is added on top of this, but you wouldn’t know from watching the team.

I would argue that players not succeeding with this expand the strike zone too much, or aren’t that talented. The Reds hit into a ton of double plays because they have players exploited by shifts and reaching outside their zone to make mediocre groundball contact.



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