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Ron Madden
09-08-2020, 02:52 PM
First Pitch 8:15PM


Reds
1. Joey Votto (L) 1B
2. Nick Castellanos (R) RF
3. Jesse Winker (L) DH
4. Eugenio Suarez (R) 3B
5. Mike Moustakas (L) 2B
6. Aristides Aquino (R) LF
7. Shogo Akiyama (L) CF
8. Jose Garcia (R) SS
9. Tucker Barnhart (L) C
SP Tyler Mahle (R)


Cubs
1. Ian Happ (S) CF
2. Kris Bryant (R) 3B
3. Anthony Rizzo (L) 1B
4. Javier Baez (R) SS
5. Kyle Schwarber (L) LF
6. Willson Contreras (R) C
7. Jason Kipnis (L) DH
8. David Bote (R) 2B
9. Cameron Maybin (R) RF
SP Alec Mills (R)


I will post the Cubs lineup when it becomes available

klw
09-08-2020, 03:07 PM
Hopefully the friendly confines help Votto turn around his road stats this year. I just posted them in the Votto thread. They are eye-catching!

https://www.baseball-reference.com/p...&year=2020&t=b


Split G PA AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI BB SO BA OBP SLG OPS BAbip tOPS+ sOPS+
Home 18 76 63 14 23 3 0 6 12 13 8 .365 .474 .698 1.172 .347 204 204
Away 17 68 59 6 5 2 0 0 0 9 15 .085 .206 .119 .325 .114 -12 -6

Ron Madden
09-08-2020, 03:56 PM
joel Luckhaupt
@jluckhaupt
Reds center fielders are hitting .131/.221/.148 with one extra-base hit since Nick Senzel last played on 8/14.

JaxRed
09-08-2020, 04:16 PM
Wonder what prompted Aquino getting a shot against a righty?

goreds2
09-08-2020, 05:00 PM
Wonder what prompted Aquino getting a shot against a righty?Just guessing but Bell wants left handed hitter, right handed hitter, LHH, RHH ..... due to 3 batter minimum?

JaxRed
09-08-2020, 05:05 PM
Actually I think Davidson DFA was main factor. Announced later.

Ron Madden
09-08-2020, 05:26 PM
Actually I think Davidson DFA was main factor. Announced later.

Yep


Cincinnati Reds
@Reds
The #Reds today recalled from the alternate site C Tyler Stephenson and RHP Josť De Leůn, placed on the 3-day paternity list RHP Nate Jones and designated for assignment IF Matt Davidson.

mth123
09-08-2020, 06:53 PM
Actually I think Davidson DFA was main factor. Announced later.

Where's Goodwin?

Kc61
09-08-2020, 07:05 PM
Yep

???

Davidson doesn’t generally play against RHP. He’s also not an outfielder. So I don’t quite see how Davidson’s DFA got Aquino into the lineup in LF. This is not a game in which Davidson would normally start.

Goodwin would be the guy that Aquino is replacing today IMO, with Shogo back in CF.

Ron Madden
09-08-2020, 07:10 PM
???

Davidson doesn’t generally play against RHP. He’s also not an outfielder. So I don’t quite see how Davidson’s DFA got Aquino into the lineup. This is not a game in which Davidson would normally start.

Goodwin would be the guy that Aquino is replacing today IMO, with Shogo back in CF.

I was agreeing with and confirming JaRed comment about Davidson being DFA

Kc61
09-08-2020, 07:13 PM
I was agreeing with and confirming JaRed comment about Davidson being DFA

Thought he was saying Aquino was in game because of Davidsonís DFA. I guess you didnít mean that, ok.

Ron Madden
09-08-2020, 07:22 PM
Thought he was saying Aquino was in game because of Davidson’s DFA. I guess you didn’t mean that, ok.

I posted a quote from the Reds about the Davidson DFA

Ron Madden
09-08-2020, 07:29 PM
Bobby Nightengale
@nightengalejr
The #Reds are hoping Tyler Stephenson will provide an offensive spark whether he's playing off the bench, DH or the starting catcher.

Tom Servo
09-08-2020, 07:44 PM
Weather has been pretty bad here all day

RedsfaninMT
09-08-2020, 08:13 PM
Weather has been pretty bad here all day

Well, we woke up to 28 degrees and a couple inches of snow on the ground. The fire that started Friday is STILL at 0% contained, despite 8" in the mountains.

KeefeCato
09-08-2020, 08:14 PM
Hopefully the friendly confines help Votto turn around his road stats this year. I just posted them in the Votto thread. They are eye-catching!

https://www.baseball-reference.com/p...&year=2020&t=b


Split G PA AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI BB SO BA OBP SLG OPS BAbip tOPS+ sOPS+
Home 18 76 63 14 23 3 0 6 12 13 8 .365 .474 .698 1.172 .347 204 204
Away 17 68 59 6 5 2 0 0 0 9 15 .085 .206 .119 .325 .114 -12 -6

Wow. I had no idea he was that bad on the road or that good at home for that matter.

REDREAD
09-08-2020, 08:21 PM
Reds go down 1-2-3 in the top of the 1st.

NebraskaRed
09-08-2020, 08:22 PM
The wind is not the Reds friend tonight.

REDREAD
09-08-2020, 08:28 PM
Cubs go down 1-2-3 in bottom of 1st

Ron Madden
09-08-2020, 08:29 PM
No score after 1 inning

REDREAD
09-08-2020, 08:29 PM
Yea, it's near the end of the season when only 7 people are on the game thread in the first inning.

Kc61
09-08-2020, 08:32 PM
Once again, Cy Young facing the Reds. Cy has been quite busy this season.

Jomama
09-08-2020, 08:34 PM
Is it possible to have two no-hitters in the same game?

Ron Madden
09-08-2020, 08:35 PM
Aquino walks

BCubb2003
09-08-2020, 08:36 PM
Is it possible to have two no-hitters in the same game?

Yes.

757690
09-08-2020, 08:36 PM
Aquino’s .429 OBP this season just went up.

Ron Madden
09-08-2020, 08:38 PM
Shogo lines a hit to LF

Tom Servo
09-08-2020, 08:38 PM
nice swing Shogo

NebraskaRed
09-08-2020, 08:38 PM
Shogo goes.

Ron Madden
09-08-2020, 08:39 PM
Ump has a pretty wide strike zone

Bruce Berenyi
09-08-2020, 08:41 PM
.429 on base percentage wow,, i f it goes up a bit he might be as valuable as van meter

NC Reds
09-08-2020, 08:41 PM
JoGar works the count then goes fishing.

Tom Servo
09-08-2020, 08:41 PM
HR would have been better there than a strikeout, imo

HammerTime
09-08-2020, 08:42 PM
They might have to stop playing Garcia.

mhs95_06
09-08-2020, 08:43 PM
Mills saved the pitch he knew would get a swing and a miss from Garcia for the 3-2 pitch with 2 on and 2 out.

RedlegsFanatic
09-08-2020, 08:44 PM
Did I miss Galvis going on the IL or getting hurt?

NebraskaRed
09-08-2020, 08:45 PM
Nice hustle by Mahle

Alabama Red
09-08-2020, 08:45 PM
Did I miss Galvis going on the IL or getting hurt?
Would have been nice to have had him in there in the second inning.

mhs95_06
09-08-2020, 08:45 PM
Nice play by Mahle to get an out on Baez' swinging bunt to lead-off the 2nd.

757690
09-08-2020, 08:46 PM
Mahle has developed into a solid back of the rotation starter.

mth123
09-08-2020, 08:48 PM
Mahle has developed into a solid back of the rotation starter.

If he gives up runs, it's your fault.

mhs95_06
09-08-2020, 08:48 PM
Ump has a pretty wide strike zone

But it is not at all tall, considering the 3-2 ball four call for Schwarber!

NC Reds
09-08-2020, 08:49 PM
What was that?

Tom Servo
09-08-2020, 08:49 PM
Seemed like Jose had time to field and toss, not sure what that was...

NebraskaRed
09-08-2020, 08:50 PM
Welsh is right about Garcia there.

RedlegsFanatic
09-08-2020, 08:50 PM
That last pitch is a strike in every MLB ballpark except if u are playing the Cubs and the Cubs are batting.
What on earth was Garcia doing there? He could have easily caught the ball and got the out at 2nd. This is no time to look “pretty”. That really makes me mad. He has no business playi over galvis right now

mhs95_06
09-08-2020, 08:50 PM
What was that?

Ill advised try at a spectacular play!

Alabama Red
09-08-2020, 08:50 PM
Mahle has developed into a solid back of the rotation starter.
I think he’s just giving up his home runs with fewer people on base this year. I don’t know if that is luck or not. He has potential but the long ball usually gets him.

NC Reds
09-08-2020, 08:50 PM
With a catcher running that was inexcusable.

RedlegsFanatic
09-08-2020, 08:50 PM
Seemed like Jose had time to field and toss, not sure what that was...

He did... easily.
Makes me mad trying to look pretty

mth123
09-08-2020, 08:53 PM
Big K

RedlegsFanatic
09-08-2020, 08:53 PM
If Bell was any manager at all he would have immediately pulled the rookie out of the game after that GARBAGE.
The spectacular play is only needed when necessary.
Garcia needs to watch some Dat Dude highlights.

Kc61
09-08-2020, 08:53 PM
Big K

Speaks volumes about Reds offense.

mhs95_06
09-08-2020, 08:54 PM
I think he’s just giving up his home runs with fewer people on base this year. I don’t know if that is luck or not. He has potential but the long ball usually gets him.

He's just lucky that the times he hangs the slider there happen to have been less runners on base.

Tom Servo
09-08-2020, 08:55 PM
Poor Mahle

NC Reds
09-08-2020, 08:55 PM
Inning should have been over.

NebraskaRed
09-08-2020, 08:55 PM
Oh look, Castellanos did that thing again.

Red Raindog
09-08-2020, 08:56 PM
This defense

Sigh


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757690
09-08-2020, 08:56 PM
If he gives up runs, it's your fault.

Lo Siento

mth123
09-08-2020, 08:58 PM
Lo Siento

No. I think it was a high fastball. ;)

NebraskaRed
09-08-2020, 08:58 PM
2-0 might as well be 20-0.

Rolando
09-08-2020, 08:58 PM
So you guys remind me again what was so special about Jose Garcia?

mhs95_06
09-08-2020, 08:59 PM
Inning initiated on a walk that should have been a K! Then shoddy defense after that.

Alabama Red
09-08-2020, 09:01 PM
Castellanos is one if the worst outfielders that I have ever seen.

mhs95_06
09-08-2020, 09:01 PM
3 chances for outs went by the wayside, with the one that scored the two runs being the most understandable!

Reds Freak
09-08-2020, 09:01 PM
If Bell was any manager at all he would have immediately pulled the rookie out of the game after that GARBAGE.
The spectacular play is only needed when necessary.
Garcia needs to watch some Dat Dude highlights.

Did you want Bell to go pull Garcia mid-inning? I loved BP but he also had an occasional flub when he tried to make a routine play look spectacular.

Kc61
09-08-2020, 09:02 PM
Watch all the pop flies to the outfield by the Reds. Then they’ll claim a BABIP defense.

And another.

757690
09-08-2020, 09:02 PM
If Castellanos refuses to leave RF, he will never get a big contract.

NebraskaRed
09-08-2020, 09:02 PM
Too bad the Reds couldn't have gotten the pitchers spot out of the way last inning.

Reds Fanatic
09-08-2020, 09:02 PM
Season on the line and we are still wasting ABs for Barnhart

Alabama Red
09-08-2020, 09:02 PM
So you guys remind me again what was so special about Jose Garcia?
Nothing against the kid but there is no legitimate argument that can be made for him to be on the team if they still think the playoffs are a possibility.

Rolando
09-08-2020, 09:04 PM
Nothing against the kid but there is no legitimate argument that can be made for him to be on the team if they still think the playoffs are a possibility.
You exactly right it's not his fault he's just not ready he'll probably be a really good player but why they call him up is beyond me

BluegrassRedleg
09-08-2020, 09:04 PM
If Castellanos refuses to leave RF, he will never get a big contract.

I'm a little curious why he hasn't been tried in LF. That's usually where you stick the guy who's as bad as he is. He's trying to join Adam Dunn/Dante Bichette rare air.

NebraskaRed
09-08-2020, 09:05 PM
Home run or bust.

Patrick Bateman
09-08-2020, 09:06 PM
Watch all the pop flies to the outfield by the Reds. Then theyíll claim a BABIP defense.

And another.

Would it be fair to say you believe this squad is 30 points worse bapip wise than ANY other team in the last 30 years?

Give me a break.

Itís both. Our style is not conduscive to a high bapip, but at the team level we are seeing something incredibly unrepeatable and would make a huge difference just to be 28th instead of 30th+++


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adkindo
09-08-2020, 09:07 PM
So you guys remind me again what was so special about Jose Garcia?

he was crushing the ball in spring training....ans supposedly killing it @ Prasco. Galvis was not providing much so they took a shot to see if the young guy could carry over the hitting to the games...and he has not so far. I do not think we are losing anything with him in there compared to Galvis.

Patrick Bateman
09-08-2020, 09:07 PM
If Castellanos refuses to leave RF, he will never get a big contract.

Good news is Castellanos isn't opting out.

The bad news is Castellanos isn't opting out.


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Kc61
09-08-2020, 09:07 PM
The wind is not the Reds friend tonight.

This was a good post earlier in the evening.

Reds with their launch angle, home run swings, hitting medium fly balls into the wind.

Good luck with that.

Rolando
09-08-2020, 09:08 PM
Would it be fair to say you believe this squad is 30 points worse bapip wise than ANY other team in the last 30 years?

Give me a break.

Itís both. Our style is not conduscive to a high bapip, but at the team level we are seeing something incredibly unrepeatable and would make a huge difference just to be 28th instead of 30th+++


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I'm not trying to be nasty but at this point doesn't even matter nobody's going to feel sorry for him if they finish with the worst baip. They just got to figure out a way to strengthen some hints together. Like now

NebraskaRed
09-08-2020, 09:09 PM
Ouch.

Rolando
09-08-2020, 09:09 PM
This was a good post earlier in the evening.

Reds with their launch angle, home run swings, hitting medium fly balls into the wind.

Good luck with that.
The Hitting guru lol

NC Reds
09-08-2020, 09:10 PM
Bryant did a poor job avoiding that.

Patrick Bateman
09-08-2020, 09:12 PM
I'm not trying to be nasty but at this point doesn't even matter nobody's going to feel sorry for him if they finish with the worst baip. They just got to figure out a way to strengthen some hints together. Like now

Its true. The past is the past, and in a short season it wonít correct itself.

Just understand that the reds are probably more like an average team true talent level (which was not the aim coming into the season), and what we are seeing is when you combine mediocrity with bad luck.

Either way, this team has too many exploitable flaws, itís just not as bad as it looks.


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REDREAD
09-08-2020, 09:15 PM
MAn, CAstellanos tries hard, but he's really a liability on defense.

Shatz1988
09-08-2020, 09:15 PM
Even with having so many bad teams these last several years, this might be the most boring team that I can remember.

Tom Servo
09-08-2020, 09:15 PM
Either way, this team has too many exploitable flaws, it’s just not as bad as it looks.

I actually do agree with this but it's also seemed true for like 3 straight seasons or so now so I think you're not factoring in the important metric that the Reds are cursed.

NC Reds
09-08-2020, 09:16 PM
Not sure why you throw another fastball to Baez, who will expand the zone. This feels over.

Jomama
09-08-2020, 09:16 PM
More bad luck for the Reds.

Alabama Red
09-08-2020, 09:18 PM
It would be hard for a team to make 5 worse free agent signings than the Reds did this offseason.

Kc61
09-08-2020, 09:19 PM
Would it be fair to say you believe this squad is 30 points worse bapip wise than ANY other team in the last 30 years?

Give me a break.

It’s both. Our style is not conduscive to a high bapip, but at the team level we are seeing something incredibly unrepeatable and would make a huge difference just to be 28th instead of 30th+++


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I don’t think the Reds’ bad offense is primarily attributable to bad luck.

I think it’s primarily attributable to an extreme hitting style and some poor hitters.

Some of it is luck, sure, but I don’t see any change in approach that might help change that luck.

RedTeamGo!
09-08-2020, 09:21 PM
The water has been out on my street all day and I haven’t showered since last night so F it im drunk watching this garbage baseball team.

REDREAD
09-08-2020, 09:21 PM
Nothing against the kid but there is no legitimate argument that can be made for him to be on the team if they still think the playoffs are a possibility.

I think it's fine to play Garcia.
Reds need to go 12-7 to reach 500.
Sure, maybe it's possible to reach the expanded playoffs with a less than 500 record,
but let's be realistic here. Give Garcia playing now and hope it pay dividends next year.
Same with Tyler Stephenson. Doubt either of those guys was learning much at prasco.

malcontent
09-08-2020, 09:21 PM
I'm a little curious why he hasn't been tried in LF.
That would have made Aquino-to-RF even more obvious. Hence...

Patrick Bateman
09-08-2020, 09:22 PM
I donít think the Redsí bad offense is primarily attributable to bad luck.

I think itís primarily attributable to an extreme hitting style and some poor hitters.

Some of it is luck, sure, but I donít see any change in approach that might help change it.

Ya, fair points for sure.

But a big difference between 230 and 265 team bapip. It doesnít erase all of the flaws, but man, if even thatís a hit per game, there are a lot of 1 run losses where that hit would have made all the difference in the world.

We entered tonight 2 games out of the playoffs with even as poorly as weíve played.

Iím saying, most of these other teams have a lot of stink too.


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RedTeamGo!
09-08-2020, 09:22 PM
Also, Diplomats Son by Vampire Weekend is fantastic.

Tom Servo
09-08-2020, 09:22 PM
Depressing knowing how bad things went without even having to face the actually good teams and pitchers besides the Cubs and Indians.

"You look at the names in this lineup, and you wonder how they've struggled the way they have." - Cubs announcer. Other announcers points out it's the batting average issue.

adkindo
09-08-2020, 09:24 PM
We get so little from the top of our lineup on most nights....not sure any other team has such little production from #1 - #5 in the lineup. Now that Winker's hot streak appears over, it is even more noticeable.

Alabama Red
09-08-2020, 09:24 PM
I think it's fine to play Garcia.
Reds need to go 12-7 to reach 500.
Sure, maybe it's possible to reach the expanded playoffs with a less than 500 record,
but let's be realistic here. Give Garcia playing now and hope it pay dividends next year.
Same with Tyler Stephenson. Doubt either of those guys was learning much at prasco.
I’d be fine if they’d go all in and let some younger guys get a chance and admit the season was over.

RedTeamGo!
09-08-2020, 09:25 PM
Depressing knowing how bad things went without even having to face the actually good teams and pitchers besides the Cubs and Indians.

"You look at the names in this lineup, and you wonder how they've struggled the way they have." - Cubs announcer. Other announcers points out it's the batting average issue.

Dude they look like a squad of amateurs against a former walk on at Tennessee Martin that tops out at 91 mph.

At this point you just have to view this team like Monstervision hosted by Jim Bob Briggs on TNT in the 90s: it’s so terrible it’s funny.

NebraskaRed
09-08-2020, 09:26 PM
Dude they look like a squad of amateurs against a former walk on at Tennessee Martin that tops out at 91 mph.

At this point you just have to view this team like Monstervision hosted by Jim Bob Briggs on TNT in the 90s: it’s so terrible it’s funny.

Joe Bob is now on Shudder.

REDREAD
09-08-2020, 09:27 PM
I’d be fine if they’d go all in and let some younger guys get a chance and admit the season was over.

Well, at least Davidson was cut loose, Aquino is getting a chance.
Hopefully Tyler Stephenson starts in at least 1/2 of the remaining games, even if it's as a DH.
Not sure they have anyone else worthy of calling up.. but I don't know the farm as well as others.

NC Reds
09-08-2020, 09:27 PM
AA is battling.

Roy Tucker
09-08-2020, 09:28 PM
At least there aren’t Cubs fans there.

RedTeamGo!
09-08-2020, 09:28 PM
Joe Bob is now on Shudder.

Oh I know.

I absolutely heart Joe Bob.

Monstervision was a huuuuge part of my childhood.

Also, Up All Night on USA, but that was for entirely different reasons.

Kc61
09-08-2020, 09:29 PM
Ya, fair points for sure.

But a big difference between 230 and 265 team bapip. It doesn’t erase all of the flaws, but man, if even that’s a hit per game, there are a lot of 1 run losses where that hit would have made all the difference in the world.

We entered tonight 2 games out of the playoffs with even as poorly as we’ve played.

I’m saying, most of these other teams have a lot of stink too.


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We see it in the very game we’re watching.

Have you seen many Reds’ batted balls that “should” have been hits tonight? Or do you see medium fly ball after medium fly ball? Very much the latter.

I’ve always been of the view that considering BABIP - first look at the team’s or player’s hitting tendencies. Then if you can’t explain it, you just say it’s bad luck.

While there’s undoubtedly some luck involved, I’m just not very sympathetic with this offense.

NebraskaRed
09-08-2020, 09:29 PM
1 hits no runs thru 4.

Another game in which they will score a run or two late in the game once the game is out of reach.

adkindo
09-08-2020, 09:29 PM
you knew exactly how that Aquino at bat was going to conclude....if I know he is going to try to make you chase a ball off the plate, how does he not know that is what is about to happen....

Powel Crosley
09-08-2020, 09:31 PM
This is one of those games that makes me feel like not watching the rest of the season.

Patrick Bateman
09-08-2020, 09:31 PM
We see it in the very game weíre watching.

Have you seen many batted balls that ďshouldĒ have been hits? Or do you see medium fly ball after medium fly ball?

Iíve always been of the view that considering BABIP - first look at the teamís or playerís hitting tendencies. Then if you canít explain it, you rely on bad luck.

While thereís undoubtedly some luck involved, Iím just not very sympathetic.

Well Iím not going to use 1 game to make a point.

A 35 point differential from any team, in the last 30 years is persuasive for me.

Itís not 5 points lower or 10. Itís 35.


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RedTeamGo!
09-08-2020, 09:31 PM
1 hits no runs thru 4.

Another game in which they will score a run or two late in the game once the game is out of reach.

The best part is that it’s against “Martin” (according to Jim Day) Mills

This is a joke.

Indymoon
09-08-2020, 09:32 PM
Not sure why you throw another fastball to Baez, who will expand the zone. This feels over.

Welsh said the same thing. Do we talk enough about the fact that Bell is also calling pitches?

HammerTime
09-08-2020, 09:33 PM
@redreporter

The Reds have had 4 innings to get to Alec Mills so far tonight, and have zero runs to show for it.

Mills had allowed 21 ER in 24.2 IP over his last 5 starts entering play today.

TheBigLebowski
09-08-2020, 09:33 PM
I’m just angry now. There is no reason for this; no excuses.

Managers usually take the hit in these circumstances, and this one deserves it, but he’s far from the only problem.

I’d be totally fine if they let half of this bunch go.

REDREAD
09-08-2020, 09:34 PM
This is one of those games that makes me feel like not watching the rest of the season.

Hang in there, we might see an appearance by Billy H tonight :lol:

Kc61
09-08-2020, 09:36 PM
Well I’m not going to use 1 game to make a point.

A 35 point differential from any team, in the last 30 years is persuasive for me.

It’s not 5 points lower or 10. It’s 35.


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Keep in mind the era in which the Reds are now playing.

1. Pull the ball into the shift and your BABIP is going to be low.

2. Hit fly balls trying for homers and your BABIP is going to be low.

Reds are guilty on both counts, although they are pulling it a bit less of late.

But even if there’s bad luck involved, I think this is in no small part a problem of Reds’ making.

adkindo
09-08-2020, 09:36 PM
we almost have to have this game tonight...5 innings left to get it done

Alabama Red
09-08-2020, 09:37 PM
Well, at least Davidson was cut loose, Aquino is getting a chance.
Hopefully Tyler Stephenson starts in at least 1/2 of the remaining games, even if it's as a DH.
Not sure they have anyone else worthy of calling up.. but I don't know the farm as well as others.
Understand your point and Iím not arguing. It just looks like the Reds are willing to take A ball players and develop them at the big league level and not worry about service time. Freidl, India and Stevenson are three that fit the Garcia mold. Iíd also let Blandino play and make a call in his future. Aquino would play every game. It just doesnít seem consistent to me but your point is valid as well.

RedTeamGo!
09-08-2020, 09:37 PM
You know how I know the reds offense is horrible? They are getting absolutely dominated by a pitcher I had to google the first name of.

It’s Alec.

Roy Tucker
09-08-2020, 09:38 PM
I just feel like they wasted an awful lot of ABs on guys that werenít ever going to be in the teamsí future.

NC Reds
09-08-2020, 09:38 PM
This is the Shogo I was expecting

Ron Madden
09-08-2020, 09:38 PM
Another hit for Shogo

Alabama Red
09-08-2020, 09:38 PM
I’m just angry now. There is no reason for this; no excuses.

Managers usually take the hit in these circumstances, and this one deserves it, but he’s far from the only problem.

I’d be totally fine if they let half of this bunch go.
Only half? You’re in a better mood than me.

NebraskaRed
09-08-2020, 09:38 PM
Shogo preempting a "Shogo must go" thread on Redszone by getting 2 hits tonight.

Kc61
09-08-2020, 09:39 PM
And it’s no surprise that the ball is dropping for Shogo.

Earlier he hit a solid line drive.

And now he dumps it to the opposite field.

Base hits both times. Nothing right into the shift, nothing high in the air.

adkindo
09-08-2020, 09:40 PM
damn....that Garcia dp hurts even more with Tuckers hit

Ironman92
09-08-2020, 09:40 PM
With a runner on 1st this team bites on that first pitch inside for the easy GIDP.

Itís like our hitters donít understand that the pitcher is trying to accomplish something as well.

TheBigLebowski
09-08-2020, 09:41 PM
I just feel like they wasted an awful lot of ABs on guys that werenít ever going to be in the teamsí future.

Trust your feelings.

VR
09-08-2020, 09:42 PM
Sad thing is this offense keeps getting shut down by, quite honestly, horrible pitchers.


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NC Reds
09-08-2020, 09:42 PM
Need a bomb here.

RedTeamGo!
09-08-2020, 09:42 PM
damn....that Garcia dp hurts even more with Tuckers hit

That’s what she said

Alabama Red
09-08-2020, 09:44 PM
Great at bat Nick.

NC Reds
09-08-2020, 09:44 PM
That Cast AB was awful. Never saw a strike.

adkindo
09-08-2020, 09:45 PM
what a joke of an at bat....I am so sick of the check swing bs

Kc61
09-08-2020, 09:45 PM
damn....that Garcia dp hurts even more with Tuckers hit

One more Garcia out and .150 BA could become the Garcia line.

He’s at .152 according to the live box score.

TheBigLebowski
09-08-2020, 09:45 PM
Strikes out on 3 pitches.

Reds Fever. Catch it and die.

Nick can opt out for all I care.

Roy Tucker
09-08-2020, 09:45 PM
I guess Castellanos likes to swing at low and outside pitches. None of the 3 were strikes.

Ron Madden
09-08-2020, 09:45 PM
Castellanos swings at more bad pitches than Garcia does

RedTeamGo!
09-08-2020, 09:46 PM
August 18th: Damn! Castellanos is going to opt out!!!

September 8th: Damn! Is Castellanos going to opt out??? Maybe??

adkindo
09-08-2020, 09:46 PM
we should have went after Ozuna instead of Castellanos

RedTeamGo!
09-08-2020, 09:47 PM
we should have went after Ozuna instead of Castellanos

“We” did

He chose the Braves

HammerTime
09-08-2020, 09:51 PM
we should have went after Ozuna instead of Castellanos

Yeah he’s the problem. Good grief.

757690
09-08-2020, 09:51 PM
Well Iím not going to use 1 game to make a point.

A 35 point differential from any team, in the last 30 years is persuasive for me.

Itís not 5 points lower or 10. Itís 35.


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Over a short period like one month, we should expect to see wide swings in BABIP. In such a small sample size, it may or may not be luck based. If it was over a full season, I would agree itís luck based. But itís not.

adkindo
09-08-2020, 09:51 PM
“We” did

He chose the Braves

I really do not know what that means....as in what did we offer? Did we offer more than Braves? We could have paid a decent amount more to him that we did to Castellanos and it would have still been a better value. These claims of the player chose another team is usually because our offer was not better or materially better.

malcontent
09-08-2020, 09:53 PM
Reds Fever. Catch it and die.
LOL. I'll wait to catch it in the post-game interview when Bell will drone on about how the players are giving it everything they've got, how he couldn't be prouder, and oh yes, how they're still competing. Gotta love how "competing" has practically eradicated "winning" in the lexicon.

RedTeamGo!
09-08-2020, 09:54 PM
I really do not know what that means....as in what did we offer? Did we offer more than Braves? We could have paid a decent amount more to him that we did to Castellanos and it would have still been a better value. These claims of the player chose another team is usually because our offer was not better or materially better.

I don’t remember exactly because it was like 9 months ago but I’m pretty sure the Reds got very aggressive with Ozuna and offered quite a bit. He chose to sign with the Braves. I could be remembering wrong. I believe they offered the Moustakas deal to Ozuna.

adkindo
09-08-2020, 09:55 PM
Yeah he’s the problem. Good grief.

Good grief? Really? Yeah, he is a decent part of the problem...beyond his early season hot streak, he has been terrible, and he may be the worst outfielder in baseball.

TheBigLebowski
09-08-2020, 09:55 PM
LOL. I'll wait to catch it in the post-game interview when Bell will drone on about how the players are giving it everything they've got, how he couldn't be prouder, and oh yes, how they're still competing. Gotta love how "competing" has practically eradicated "winning" in the lexicon.

He’s as motivating as wet pasta.

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Yeah he’s the problem. Good grief.

Yes, he is. One of many.

adkindo
09-08-2020, 09:58 PM
I don’t remember exactly because it was like 9 months ago but I’m pretty sure the Reds got very aggressive with Ozuna and offered quite a bit. He chose to sign with the Braves. I could be remembering wrong. I believe they offered the Moustakas deal to Ozuna.

the timeline makes sense....I think they signed about a week apart with Ozuna going first....but offer Ozuna $10 Million more over 4 years, does he take that? He would have been worth it in my opinion. I just thought he had some injury issues with the Cardinals, but when he was a Marlin he was really good, and a better player than Castellanos.

texasdave
09-08-2020, 09:58 PM
They better come back tonight, because the Cubs have Darvish going tomorrow. That's no day at the beach. Maybe Cy Mills will wobble a little this inning.

Redsfan6272
09-08-2020, 10:00 PM
they loose 5 or 6 games ag the Cubs and Cards, Bell should be fired after the return flight home!!

Kc61
09-08-2020, 10:00 PM
Good grief? Really? Yeah, he is a decent part of the problem...beyond his early season hot streak, he has been terrible, and he may be the worst outfielder in baseball.

Reds will need to confront the fact of all the DHs in their lineup. And others, like Moose, who might be better at a different position.

They won’t be able to fix the defense without making some changes. Unless the NL adopts the “triple DH rule”.

Roy Tucker
09-08-2020, 10:00 PM
Reds are making Mills look awfully good.

texasdave
09-08-2020, 10:00 PM
According to Gameday, Mills threw exactly one pitch that was in the strike zone to Winker.

REDREAD
09-08-2020, 10:01 PM
Understand your point and Iím not arguing. It just looks like the Reds are willing to take A ball players and develop them at the big league level and not worry about service time. Freidl, India and Stevenson are three that fit the Garcia mold. Iíd also let Blandino play and make a call in his future. Aquino would play every game. It just doesnít seem consistent to me but your point is valid as well.

Yea, they might as well bring up India too. If they think Freidl has a future, bring him up.. Not sure what the Reds think of him.

NC Reds
09-08-2020, 10:01 PM
This umpire is doing us no favors. Winker should be at first.

adkindo
09-08-2020, 10:02 PM
please Aquino....do not chase balls off the plate

Alabama Red
09-08-2020, 10:03 PM
When was the last time Moustakas got a hit with less than two outs and somebody on base?

Shatz1988
09-08-2020, 10:04 PM
I feel the same. I know I will keep watching but I will definitely not specifically set aside time to watch this dumpster fire.

Roy Tucker
09-08-2020, 10:05 PM
Good NBA game over on TNT. Lakers-Rockets.

adkindo
09-08-2020, 10:05 PM
When was the last time Moustakas got a hit with less than two outs and somebody on base?

sure it is just because things are going bad, but it feels like our specialty as a team is to get doubles with 2 outs and nobody on base...

adkindo
09-08-2020, 10:07 PM
Good NBA game over on TNT. Lakers-Rockets.

looked at game and saw the Lakers are playing JR Smith....returned to Reds game

texasdave
09-08-2020, 10:07 PM
That should be it for Mills, as he is over 100 pitches. Maybe Kimbrel will give us another game in the 9th.

Quality start for Mahle.

Roy Tucker
09-08-2020, 10:07 PM
Mahle has pitched a pretty decent ballgame.

NC Reds
09-08-2020, 10:08 PM
Mahle deserved better than what the defense and hitting provided tonight.

NebraskaRed
09-08-2020, 10:09 PM
I keep watching these games and getting my hopes up, but they're just not going to consistently get hits and score runs. They can't do it.

Alabama Red
09-08-2020, 10:10 PM
Mahle has pitched a pretty decent ballgame.
He has. He made a good pitch in the 2 run triple and the defense put him in a position for it to matter.

NC Reds
09-08-2020, 10:12 PM
Good AB Shogo.

NebraskaRed
09-08-2020, 10:12 PM
Shogo on base 3 times tonight.

Alabama Red
09-08-2020, 10:13 PM
I think Billie’s career is over when the rosters go back down next year. I always liked him but he just can’t hit. I think the Reds did him a disservice by trying to make him a switch hitter. He couldn’t hit from one side so I’m not sure why they thought they could teach him to hit from both sides.

khunter2
09-08-2020, 10:14 PM
As per usual, another Cy Young caliber performance against the Reds by a no-name.


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Roy Tucker
09-08-2020, 10:14 PM
Garcia is a bigger guy than I expected. I thought he’d be skinnier. I don’t know why I thought that.

NC Reds
09-08-2020, 10:16 PM
Garcia refuses to be walked.

Umkubas
09-08-2020, 10:16 PM
When was the last time Moustakas got a hit with less than two outs and somebody on base?

August 25th, 2020.........top of the fourth inning, two on, two out, Moustakas singles 2 RBIs........Reds lose 2-3

Roy Tucker
09-08-2020, 10:18 PM
Garcia refuses to be walked.

I was thinking he had a nice AB going and laying off some good pitches. But he got anxious on the 3-2 count.

Why is Barnhart bunting.

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I guess that’s why.

NC Reds
09-08-2020, 10:20 PM
That sequence defines the difference between a good team and where we’re at right now.

mhs95_06
09-08-2020, 10:20 PM
I was thinking he had a nice AB going and laying off some good pitches. But he got anxious on the 3-2 count.

Why is Barnhart bunting.

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I guess that’s why.

We see why Tucker was bunting on the first pitch after he got 2 strikes -- to try to stay away from the DP -- playing for one run that inning!

NebraskaRed
09-08-2020, 10:20 PM
At least they got the pitchers spot out of the way so that they can start with the top of the order next inning.

Reds Fanatic
09-08-2020, 10:20 PM
I am done with Barnhart for this year. With Stephenson up here should not see another start

texasdave
09-08-2020, 10:23 PM
Garcia has seen 13 pitches, only 2 of which were in the strike zone per Gameday. Why throw a strike, when he chases at will? His OPS has plummeted to .318. 2 for his last 25. He can't possibly field well enough to make up for that. Send him back to Prasco. He's not ready.

Alabama Red
09-08-2020, 10:23 PM
Our runs per game are 0.4 lower than last year. Ouch.

Redsfan6272
09-08-2020, 10:23 PM
I am done with Barnhart for this year. With Stephenson up here should not see another start

he should have been given more chances after that awesome first game.. but Bell and his computer cant figure that out..

Ironman92
09-08-2020, 10:24 PM
Our hitting game plan/strategy/plate approaches are collectively awful.

How are those in charge of such still employed? They must be great guys!!!!

Hadman
09-08-2020, 10:24 PM
This team is awful to watch. Just painful. They have to be just about out of players to scapegoat via the DFA route. At what point do you drop the hammer on non-players? Hitting coach has to be getting a bit nervous. This is simply one of the worst offensive teams Iíve seen in watching 40+ years of baseball. I would be fuming mad if I was writing checks for this poor excuse for a ball club.


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Ironman92
09-08-2020, 10:25 PM
I am done with Barnhart for this year. With Stephenson up here should not see another start

Tucker is a gamer though!!!!....and a great guy!

adkindo
09-08-2020, 10:25 PM
At least they got the pitchers spot out of the way so that they can start with the top of the order next inning.

sadly Tucker has been more productive than the top of the lineup tonight....I do not even get excited when the lineup turns over anymore

NC Reds
09-08-2020, 10:26 PM
Mahle was a hoss tonight. Better than the numbers.

texasdave
09-08-2020, 10:26 PM
Well-pitched game by Mahle.

50YrRedsFan
09-08-2020, 10:26 PM
ďWeĒ did

He chose the Braves

Can't blame him. He wanted to play for a 'REAL' baseball team.

NebraskaRed
09-08-2020, 10:26 PM
Mahle deserved a lot better than this.

Ron Madden
09-08-2020, 10:26 PM
Good game Tyler, just no run support

RedTeamGo!
09-08-2020, 10:26 PM
Mahle with 10 Ks, but the offense can’t do anything against an absolutely terrible pitcher.

The Reds in a nutshell.

Alabama Red
09-08-2020, 10:26 PM
The whole front office and coaching staff has to go this offseason. We just need some new ideas and a new culture. I think losing is accepted within the organization.
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Kc61
09-08-2020, 10:28 PM
This team is awful to watch. Just painful. They have to be just about out of players to scapegoat via the DFA route. At what point do you drop the hammer on non-players? Hitting coach has to be getting a bit nervous. This is simply one of the worst offensive teams I’ve seen in watching 40+ years of baseball. I would be fuming mad if I was writing checks for this poor excuse for a ball club.


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Pitching staff isn’t bad. Bullpen is getting better as they concentrate on a core of main guys. Young starters Mahle and Antone look good for the future.

The position player group needs a lot of work.

Reds Fanatic
09-08-2020, 10:30 PM
The whole front office and coaching staff has to go this offseason. We just need some new ideas and a new culture. I think losing is accepted within the organization.
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Yes it sad to say after the last several years and after we were all convinced this is the year but we are going to have to blow it all up and start over next year. There are a few pieces like Stephenson you can start to build around but most of this roster is awful

adkindo
09-08-2020, 10:32 PM
this is embarrassing.....the top of this lineup is garbage

Alabama Red
09-08-2020, 10:32 PM
I thought Jay Bruce had issues with the low and outside breaking ball but Castellanos takes the cake.

Stray
09-08-2020, 10:32 PM
It's hard to complain about someone when none of them are hitting.

Red Raindog
09-08-2020, 10:32 PM
Nick C has been a big disappointment tonight
And more than a few other nights too


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Roy Tucker
09-08-2020, 10:33 PM
The Reds hitters are in a massive state of funk.

Kc61
09-08-2020, 10:33 PM
Yes it sad to say after the last several years and after we were all convinced this is the year but we are going to have to blow it all up and start over next year. There are a few pieces like Stephenson you can start to build around but most of this roster is awful[/QUOTE]

I donít think Reds need a gut rebuild because the pitching is pretty good. And most are not free agents.

They need to re-work the position group, which will require some very good GM skills. Not saying that will be easy.

NC Reds
09-08-2020, 10:33 PM
Wink gets the walk he should have gotten last AB

adkindo
09-08-2020, 10:34 PM
It's hard to complain about someone when none of them are hitting.

just a season long team slump....yeah, that's what it is

NebraskaRed
09-08-2020, 10:34 PM
If the goal of the game was to get a base runner after 2 outs and then not score, they would be world champions.

Roy Tucker
09-08-2020, 10:35 PM
Suarez goes deep here we have a ballgame.

Tom Servo
09-08-2020, 10:36 PM
Great game Geno, great season.

Boston Red
09-08-2020, 10:37 PM
The legend of Ryan Tepera grows.

Shatz1988
09-08-2020, 10:37 PM
just a season long team slump....yeah, that's what it is

Exactly. Welsh talking about the lineup going into a slump. It's not a slump when it is the entire season. 40+ games has demonstrated that it's not a temporary problem.

NebraskaRed
09-08-2020, 10:37 PM
Bad pitcher, good pitcher, it doesn't matter to these guys.

texasdave
09-08-2020, 10:39 PM
The only suspense left is this: Will the Reds reach their team-standard 5 hits in a game?

forfreelin04
09-08-2020, 10:40 PM
If you guys are into watching this offense bat, I got some great grass in my front yard you might want to take a gander at.

Reds Fanatic
09-08-2020, 10:41 PM
Position player wise you start with Winker, Suarez and Stephenson and build from there. Votto we are stuck with the contract so you have to make do the best you can. Garcia will eventually be a really good player but he probably needs another year in the minors. Moustakas has been a big disappointment but I guess he will be back. Castellanos would be ok as a DH but his glove is brutal as a full time OF. I actually still like what I see from Akiyama I think you can still use him as well.

WVRedsFan
09-08-2020, 10:41 PM
Got here late, but after looking at the box score, it appears that every team we face either has Cy Young pitching or we have lost the ability to hit. Hard to believe the hitting or non-hitting of guys like Votto, Cast, Moose, etc. is real. They've always hit and now they don't. It's the thing of mystery

Roy Tucker
09-08-2020, 10:42 PM
I miss free pizza.

Kc61
09-08-2020, 10:43 PM
Bob Steve throwing well, maybe finally ok after the injury.

Glad to see it. Pitching is pretty good.

BCubb2003
09-08-2020, 10:44 PM
If they fired the hitting coach, what is it the new hitting coach would need to work on?

texasdave
09-08-2020, 10:44 PM
Nice inning from Stephenson. Rally caps on!

757690
09-08-2020, 10:44 PM
Every year we blame the Reds disappointing offense on the Reds hitting coaches.
Every year they change them.
Every year the Reds offense disappoints.

I beginning to think it’s not the hitting coaches.

Alabama Red
09-08-2020, 10:44 PM
For the Cincinnati crowd I’ll use Ohio State football and Kentucky BB as examples ( for everyone else Alabama football). Those are championship programs with winning cultures. They’ll have some bad seasons and hire some bad coaches but they never accept losing. The Reds just don’t give off that vibe and the last two off seasons have just been pure desperation. I know they probably will never be the Yankees or Cardinals but they can do better than the last seven years.

50YrRedsFan
09-08-2020, 10:46 PM
Castellanos has struck out 31% of his official ab's

forfreelin04
09-08-2020, 10:47 PM
Got here late, but after looking at the box score, it appears that every team we face either has Cy Young pitching or we have lost the ability to hit. Hard to believe the hitting or non-hitting of guys like Votto, Cast, Moose, etc. is real. They've always hit and now they don't. It's the thing of mystery

It is puzzling. Something I've been thinking about recently.

My opinion is the offense is simply either crumbling under the pressure of lofty expectations or perhaps just not doing enough pitcher homework. The latter is on Bell if that's the case. The former is squarely on the players. Bell can't bat for them.

adkindo
09-08-2020, 10:48 PM
Goodwin is so hot...he will save the day.

Reds Fanatic
09-08-2020, 10:48 PM
It is funny I forgot Senzel in players to build around. He is out so often I forgot him. If he could ever have a healthy year there is another piece hopefully for next year

50YrRedsFan
09-08-2020, 10:48 PM
It is puzzling. Something I've been thinking about recently.

My opinion is the offense is simply either crumbling under the pressure of lofty expectations or perhaps just not doing enough pitcher homework. The latter is on Bell if that's the case. The former is squarely on the players. Bell can't bat for them.

This team has been poor offensively for several years.

50YrRedsFan
09-08-2020, 10:50 PM
A murmur of life from Goodwin

Ironman92
09-08-2020, 10:50 PM
If they fired the hitting coach, what is it the new hitting coach would need to work on?

Plan of attack for each pitcher. Plate approaches. Thinking

Coopdaddy67
09-08-2020, 10:51 PM
If they fired the hitting coach, what is it the new hitting coach would need to work on?

Everything.

Kc61
09-08-2020, 10:52 PM
Plan of attack for each pitcher. Plate approaches. Thinking

Plate approach and talent level after the main hitters.

NC Reds
09-08-2020, 10:52 PM
Massive disappointment.

50YrRedsFan
09-08-2020, 10:53 PM
When the Reds finally get to have spectators at home, the stadium will look like Wrigley does tonight.

50YrRedsFan
09-08-2020, 10:54 PM
Can a team DFA all the players?

Roy Tucker
09-08-2020, 10:56 PM
Reds goes out quietly and without a fuss. Just no fire, no effort, no battling. Like a workout at Prasco.

Alabama Red
09-08-2020, 10:56 PM
We can still go an 8-9 game run and get back in this.

Ron Madden
09-08-2020, 10:56 PM
Box Score

https://www.mlb.com/gameday/reds-vs-cubs/2020/09/08/631615#game_state=final,game_tab=box,game=631615

Alabama Red
09-08-2020, 10:57 PM
Reds goes out quietly and without a fuss. Just no fire, no effort, no battling. Like a workout at Prasco.
I don’t think they care as long as they get their check.

NebraskaRed
09-08-2020, 10:58 PM
At least Galvis got to see some pitches. It'll help when he's sitting in the dugout and not being used for the next 6 games.

Reds Fanatic
09-08-2020, 10:58 PM
Reds now 3.5 behind Cards for 2nd and Marlins for last playoff spot with 18 left

Shatz1988
09-08-2020, 11:02 PM
Reds now 3.5 behind Cards for 2nd and Marlins for last playoff spot with 18 left

It is so incredibly pathetic that 16 out of 30 teams will make the playoffs and they won't be able to do it. I'm just not convinced they have any true clue about how to become good in the future.

VR
09-08-2020, 11:02 PM
I donít think they care as long as they get their check.

And the chicken!


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Reds Fanatic
09-08-2020, 11:03 PM
It is so incredibly pathetic that 16 out of 30 teams will make the playoffs and they won't be able to do it. I'm just not convinced they have any true clue about how to become good in the future.

Yes the fact that the Marlins who at one point had to replace over half the roster play way harder then this overpriced team is depressing

Jomama
09-08-2020, 11:20 PM
Reds now 3.5 behind Cards for 2nd and Marlins for last playoff spot with 18 left

They also have to hopscotch the Mets, Brewers, and Rockies before catching the Marlins...that's the problem.

Ironman92
09-08-2020, 11:22 PM
They also have to hopscotch the Mets, Brewers, and Rockies before catching the Marlins...that's the problem.

Main problem is the Reds suck

Reds
09-08-2020, 11:55 PM
I never imagined that the offense could be this bad coming into the season.

Umkubas
09-09-2020, 02:03 AM
Garcia has seen 13 pitches, only 2 of which were in the strike zone per Gameday. Why throw a strike, when he chases at will? His OPS has plummeted to .318. 2 for his last 25. He can't possibly field well enough to make up for that. Send him back to Prasco. He's not ready.

AGREE

goreds2
09-09-2020, 08:45 AM
Sixth time the Reds have been shutout this season in 42 games.

aljonesins@aol.
09-09-2020, 11:16 AM
Chances are they will be shut out the next two nights unless they can pick up a home run somewhere.

Big Klu
09-09-2020, 12:50 PM
Sixth time the Reds have been shutout this season in 42 games.

The 2000 Reds were shut out 0 times in 163 games.

The 2020 Reds are shut out on an average of once a week.