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Ron Madden
09-10-2020, 01:22 PM
First Pitch 8:15PM


Reds
1. Joey Votto (L) 1B
2. Nick Castellanos (R) RF
3. Jesse Winker (L) DH
4. Eugenio Suarez (R) 3B
5. Mike Moustakas (L) 2B
6. Shogo Akiyama (L) LF
7. Tyler Stephenson (R) C
8. Brian Goodwin (L) CF
9. Jose Garcia (R) SS
SP Sonny Gray (R)


Cubs
1. Ian Happ (S) CF
2. Kris Bryant (R) 3B
3. Anthony Rizzo (L) 1B
4. Javier Baez (R) SS
5. Willson Contreras (R) C
6. Jason Heyward (L) RF
7. Cameron Maybin (R) LF
8. David Bote (R) DH
9. Nico Hoerner (R) 2B
SP Adbert Alzolay (R)

757690
09-10-2020, 01:32 PM
Is this Tyler Stephenson’s first start in the majors? If so, congratulations Tyler!

Ron Madden
09-10-2020, 01:35 PM
Is this Tyler Stephenson’s first start in the majors? If so, congratulations Tyler!

Yes it is.

zigbeenuthouse
09-10-2020, 01:56 PM
First Pitch 8:15PM


Reds
1. Joey Votto (L) 1B
2. Nick Castellanos (R) RF
3. Jesse Winker (L) DH
4. Eugenio Suarez (R) 3B
5. Mike Moustakas (L) 2B
6. Shogo Akiyama (L) LF
7. Tyler Stephenson (R) C
8. Brian Goodwin (L) CF
9. Jose Garcia (R) SS
SP Sonny Gray (R)


Cubs

SP Adbert Alzolay (R)


I will post the Cubs lineup when it becomes available

You have to wonder how long it's going to take Senzel to get back with the club. They really need his play in CF and bat in lineup.

JaxRed
09-10-2020, 02:04 PM
And it comes against a righty which means he's taking the place of Tucker.

Kc61
09-10-2020, 02:32 PM
You have to wonder how long it's going to take Senzel to get back with the club. They really need his play in CF and bat in lineup.

Senzel is a better hitter than Goodwin with more potential, but I wouldn’t sell Goodwin short. He has pretty good career numbers.

He’s probably a fourth OFer with this team, but give him a little time. Even with the Angels this year he had nearly an .800 OPS and a 114 OPS+.

zigbeenuthouse
09-10-2020, 02:45 PM
Senzel is a better hitter than Goodwin with more potential, but I wouldn’t sell Goodwin short. He has pretty good career numbers.

He’s probably a fourth OFer with this team, but give him a little time. Even with the Angels this year he had nearly an .800 OPS and a 114 OPS+.

Goodwin is ok for using off bench and give guys a break. He can steal bases although getting picked off second base was a pretty bad the other day vs Pirates. He's misplayed couple balls in OF as well. Getting Senzel back will make this club better is the bottom line.

Kc61
09-10-2020, 02:55 PM
Goodwin is ok for using off bench and give guys a break. He can steal bases although getting picked off second base was a pretty bad the other day vs Pirates. He's misplayed couple balls in OF as well. Getting Senzel back will make this club better is the bottom line.

Yes, Senzel is better than Goodwin, certainly in potential. But Goodwin has played 345 MLB games and you’re judging him by a few handpicked plays over 8 games, some partial.

I admired two very good catches Goodwin made in CF so far, but I wouldn’t argue he’s Willie Mays.

zigbeenuthouse
09-10-2020, 03:10 PM
Yes, Senzel is better than Goodwin, certainly in potential. But Goodwin has played 345 MLB games and you’re judging him by a few handpicked plays over 8 games, some partial.

I admired two very good catches Goodwin made in CF so far, but I wouldn’t argue he’s Willie Mays.

Yes, he's helped in the absence of Senzel I'd agree.

davereds24
09-10-2020, 03:19 PM
Goodwin is ok for using off bench and give guys a break. He can steal bases although getting picked off second base was a pretty bad the other day vs Pirates. He's misplayed couple balls in OF as well. Getting Senzel back will make this club better is the bottom line.

You might be forgetting that Senzel, just like 90% of the team, was not hitting when he went out. He has been better in CF than most expected though.

zigbeenuthouse
09-10-2020, 03:35 PM
You might be forgetting that Senzel, just like 90% of the team, was not hitting when he went out. He has been better in CF than most expected though.

He was slumping agree but I like his bat and generally getting these guys back together can be positive on the others in the lineup. The club has missed him. AND, it's a shame the guy is always out of the lineup as well.

Umkubas
09-10-2020, 03:43 PM
AND, it's a shame the guy is always out of the lineup as well.

True statement. Baseball is PLAYED on a field

texasdave
09-10-2020, 03:55 PM
I have this spidey-sense tingling that tells me that the win over Yu is going to ignite this club. Or, maybe I just need some Gold Bond.

Ironman92
09-10-2020, 05:37 PM
Letís win

RedlegsFanatic
09-10-2020, 06:24 PM
Is everyone ready for another must win game today?
I hope so, it’s the norm from here on out.
U gotta LOVE having Shogo, Goodwin, and Garcia in there. Those guys just rake!
Go Reds

TexasRedsFan
09-10-2020, 06:26 PM
Tonight is a must win, afaic. Ace on the mound and last shot at the division leader before another huge series against another team ahead of you. If you're ever going to come together and get on a roll as a team, the time is now.

Ron Madden
09-10-2020, 07:31 PM
C. トレント・ローズクランズ
@ctrent
Raining in Chicago — Estimated first pitch is 8:35 pm (Eastern)

paulrichjr
09-10-2020, 07:45 PM
Is everyone ready for another must win game today?
I hope so, itís the norm from here on out.
U gotta LOVE having Shogo, Goodwin, and Garcia in there. Those guys just rake!
Go Reds

Shogo has a .483 OBP the past 10 games. That works for me.

Ironman92
09-10-2020, 08:22 PM
8:35? Not going to be very close. Hopi g for a 9:05 start but might be 9:25

adkindo
09-10-2020, 08:26 PM
Just feel like Bell is not giving Aquino a shot that he deserves. In the few at bats he has gotten recently since being called back up, his OBP is .467. He can and has played all 3 OF positions well, and should be in the lineup at least every other game. In the same period, Shogo's OBP is .362 and Goodwin's OBP is .208. As soon as the Reds traded for Goodwin, I had a feeling Bell would use that as an excuse to not play Aquino.

Coopdaddy67
09-10-2020, 08:36 PM
Just feel like Bell is not giving Aquino a shot that he deserves. In the few at bats he has gotten recently since being called back up, his OBP is .467. He can and has played all 3 OF positions well, and should be in the lineup at least every other game. In the same period, Shogo's OBP is .362 and Goodwin's OBP is .208. As soon as the Reds traded for Goodwin, I had a feeling Bell would use that as an excuse to not play Aquino.

It's an incredibly small sample size. He has 4 walks while going 2/10 at the plate. Meanwhile, Shogo is 5/12 with 3 walks over the past week.

If Aquino plays, one of Winker, Shogo and Castellanos is going to the bench. He's not a CF. No thanks.

757690
09-10-2020, 08:40 PM
It's an incredibly small sample size. He has 4 walks while going 2/10 at the plate. Meanwhile, Shogo is 5/12 with 3 walks over the past week.

If Aquino plays, one of Winker, Shogo and Castellanos is going to the bench. He's not a CF. No thanks.

With the DH, all four can play at the same time. Goodwin is the one now taking PA’s from Aquino.

Coopdaddy67
09-10-2020, 08:41 PM
With the DH, all four can play at the same time. Goodwin is the one now taking PA’s from Aquino.

That's if you're fine with a corner OF playing CF. I'm not.

The Reds defense is bad enough as it is.

RedTeamGo!
09-10-2020, 08:43 PM
With the DH, all four can play at the same time. Goodwin is the one now taking PA’s from Aquino.

Goodwin is LH and starter is RH. Also, Goodwin is playing CF tonight, which Aquino can do in a pinch, but probably shouldn’t.

Shogo is finally hitting well, can’t take him out.

Meh.

757690
09-10-2020, 08:47 PM
That's if you're fine with a corner OF playing CF. I'm not.

The Reds defense is bad enough as it is.


Goodwin is LH and starter is RH. Also, Goodwin is playing CF tonight, which Aquino can do in a pinch, but probably shouldn’t.

Shogo is finally hitting well, can’t take him out.

Meh.

One of the selling points on Shogo was that he could play CF. He has played CF for the Reds and done quite well so far. I have no issue with him playing there everyday.

Wheelhouse
09-10-2020, 08:51 PM
It's an incredibly small sample size. He has 4 walks while going 2/10 at the plate. Meanwhile, Shogo is 5/12 with 3 walks over the past week.

If Aquino plays, one of Winker, Shogo and Castellanos is going to the bench. He's not a CF. No thanks.

The four walks ARE NOT insignificant with Aquino. Last year in September he was chasing, and pitchers didn’t need to get near his wheelhouse. If he displays an eye and pitchers need to locate closer to the plate, watch out.

Coopdaddy67
09-10-2020, 08:55 PM
One of the selling points on Shogo was that he could play CF. He has played CF for the Reds and done quite well so far. I have no issue with him playing there everyday.

Nobody viewed him as a regular MLB CF before signing. He was always a corner OF.

He plays CF fine, but has limited range. If the Reds' corner OF wasn't terrible defensively and had better range, you could get away with it.

The amount of balls that fall in against the Reds that are typically outs is very noticeable.

Ironman92
09-10-2020, 08:57 PM
Nobody viewed him as a regular MLB CF before signing. He was always a corner OF.

He plays CF fine, but has limited range. If the Reds' corner OF wasn't terrible defensively and had better range, you could get away with it.

The amount of balls that fall in against the Reds that are typically outs is very noticeable.

I disagree that it is very noticeable

zigbeenuthouse
09-10-2020, 08:59 PM
Shogo defense has TO THIS POINT been far and wide better than his offense.

NCReds
09-10-2020, 09:02 PM
Any updates on start time?

Kc61
09-10-2020, 09:04 PM
Just feel like Bell is not giving Aquino a shot that he deserves. In the few at bats he has gotten recently since being called back up, his OBP is .467. He can and has played all 3 OF positions well, and should be in the lineup at least every other game. In the same period, Shogo's OBP is .362 and Goodwin's OBP is .208. As soon as the Reds traded for Goodwin, I had a feeling Bell would use that as an excuse to not play Aquino.

if the Reds organization disagreed with Bell’s use of Aquino, they would overrule him.

I’m sure the front office is fully aware of fans’ opinions in favor of playing Aquino. Yet Reds are sticking to their view that he is a spot player at this stage.

They likely have information that supports their view. I doubt the decision is totally arbitrary. And in any event, with so few games remaining, it’s unlikely to change.

Coopdaddy67
09-10-2020, 09:04 PM
9:30 ETA

adkindo
09-10-2020, 09:05 PM
Nobody viewed him as a regular MLB CF before signing. He was always a corner OF.

He plays CF fine, but has limited range. If the Reds' corner OF wasn't terrible defensively and had better range, you could get away with it.

The amount of balls that fall in against the Reds that are typically outs is very noticeable.

Why do you think he has limited range? I have seen him get to several balls that i doubt any other OF'er on the roster would have been able to track down. Maybe I am misunderstanding the reference to range.

Kc61
09-10-2020, 09:08 PM
Why do you think he has limited range? I have seen him get to several balls that i doubt any other OF'er on the roster would have been able to track down. Maybe I am misunderstanding the reference to range.

In the minors Aquino played 732 games in RF and 6 in CF.

It’s a pennant chase, they don’t view him as a CFer. Not the time to try things out, it’s not his position.

adkindo
09-10-2020, 09:15 PM
if the Reds organization disagreed with Bell’s use of Aquino, they would overrule him.

I’m sure the front office is fully aware of fans’ opinions in favor of playing Aquino. Yet they Reds are sticking to their view that he is a spot player at this stage.

They likely have information that supports their view. I doubt the decision is totally arbitrary. And In any event, with so few games remaining, it’s unlikely to change.

honestly, not sure I understand your response and others like it. I did not assume the FO was heavily involved in directing Bell who to put in the field, but maybe you are correct in your thoughts. The part about they probably have information and other stuff could be used as a counter to every disagreement a fan or someone outside the organization has with organizational decisions. Every time fans complained about VanMeter being in the lineup, we should just assume the organization knows best, and not have a negative opinion? Not trying to be an azz, but my opinion holds regardless if they have information they believe points them in a different direction....honestly, this staff and FO has no built up trust with me as a fan in their ability to make optimal decisions.

757690
09-10-2020, 09:17 PM
Nobody viewed him as a regular MLB CF before signing. He was always a corner OF.

He plays CF fine, but has limited range. If the Reds' corner OF wasn't terrible defensively and had better range, you could get away with it.

The amount of balls that fall in against the Reds that are typically outs is very noticeable.

There are 17 games left in the season. The Reds should be fine with Shogo playing CF for the next two weeks. In 119 innings so far, the stats say heís been a bit above average in CF. Whatever benefit Goodwin brings defensively over Shogo in CF, Aquino provides greater benefit offensively over Goodwin, imo.

adkindo
09-10-2020, 09:19 PM
In the minors Aquino played 732 games in RF and 6 in CF.

It’s a pennant chase, they don’t view him as a CFer. Not the time to try things out, it’s not his position.

right, we should continue to do exactly what we have been doing since it has resulted in holding down the 12th spot in the NL. I have seen the guy play in the OF and seen him play all 3 positions well per my amateur eye. I have not noticed an issue with range....but recognize I may be missing something which is why I asked.

zigbeenuthouse
09-10-2020, 09:20 PM
16513 Still delay

zigbeenuthouse
09-10-2020, 09:26 PM
Minutes to first pitch:
16514

Ron Madden
09-10-2020, 09:31 PM
Joel Luckhaupt
@jluckhaupt
I didn't realize how much Castellanos has been struggling. Since 8/8 (29 games): .178/.282/.386(75 wRC+) with a 27% K-rate.

Ron Madden
09-10-2020, 09:33 PM
Joey lines a single to start the game

Ironman92
09-10-2020, 09:33 PM
Lol

Stray
09-10-2020, 09:34 PM
Nice start!

podgejeff_
09-10-2020, 09:34 PM
Castellanos hits a triple and scores Votto!

Ironman92
09-10-2020, 09:34 PM
Last time Joey scored from 1st....?

Kc61
09-10-2020, 09:34 PM
honestly, not sure I understand your response and others like it. I did not assume the FO was heavily involved in directing Bell who to put in the field, but maybe you are correct in your thoughts. The part about they probably have information and other stuff could be used as a counter to every disagreement a fan or someone outside the organization has with organizational decisions. Every time fans complained about VanMeter being in the lineup, we should just assume the organization knows best, and not have a negative opinion? Not trying to be an azz, but my opinion holds regardless if they have information they believe points them in a different direction....honestly, this staff and FO has no built up trust with me as a fan in their ability to make optimal decisions.

We don’t have access to the Reds’ internal scouting reports.

But at this point I’m convinced Reds do not feel he will help them playing regularly - on the merits as they see them.

It’s no longer about minor league options available (he’s with the team). It’s no longer about Ervin or Jankowski or anyone else getting a preference. They just don’t think he will help - especially against RHP.

So IMO it’s time to leave it alone. They’ve made their call. He’ll probably play againt lefties. If they thought AA could help they would play him more, they are obviously desperate to win.

WVRedsFan
09-10-2020, 09:34 PM
Cast dives in joey. 1-0 Reds

podgejeff_
09-10-2020, 09:35 PM
Winker sac fly to get Castellanos home.

Screw the Cubs.

Ironman92
09-10-2020, 09:35 PM
2-0

3 good AB

TexasRedsFan
09-10-2020, 09:36 PM
Hopefully Sonny already has all the runs he'll need.

Ron Madden
09-10-2020, 09:37 PM
Geno walks

VR
09-10-2020, 09:38 PM
Team triple #3 for the year. Whoop whoop.


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757690
09-10-2020, 09:38 PM
Adbert sounds like an Atari game I played back in the eighties.

WVRedsFan
09-10-2020, 09:39 PM
Didn't avoid the DP. 2-0 Reds.

Kc61
09-10-2020, 09:40 PM
Anything fewer than 29 runs will be unacceptable tonight.

Ron Madden
09-10-2020, 09:42 PM
Jamie Ramsey
@Jamieblog
The only time Joey Votto didn't reach safely on his birthday was on his first birthday as a big leaguer - 2008.

mhs95_06
09-10-2020, 09:46 PM
Hopefully Sonny already has all the runs he'll need.

But the bullpen may need more!

Ironman92
09-10-2020, 09:46 PM
Nice hit by Rizzo

podgejeff_
09-10-2020, 09:46 PM
Why does Anthony Rizzo have to be like he is?

WVRedsFan
09-10-2020, 09:49 PM
Garcia is going to be a great SS

Ironman92
09-10-2020, 09:51 PM
Why does Anthony Rizzo have to be like he is?

For telling Joey Happy Birthday?

Ron Madden
09-10-2020, 09:52 PM
Shogo walks

Stray
09-10-2020, 09:52 PM
Another good at bat for Shogo

Ironman92
09-10-2020, 09:56 PM
Tough AB for Stephenson....he laid off two tough close pitches, got a bad call and then a perfect backdoor pitch got him

Rantly
09-10-2020, 09:57 PM
Seems like the early runs for the Reds have taken the home crowd, those that have remained after the rain delay, out of the game..

podgejeff_
09-10-2020, 10:00 PM
Goodwin working a nice AB.

Ron Madden
09-10-2020, 10:00 PM
Shogo steals 2B

podgejeff_
09-10-2020, 10:01 PM
Shogo jumping around like Spider-Man steals 2nd.

757690
09-10-2020, 10:01 PM
That was the funkiest SB I have ever seen.

Tom Servo
09-10-2020, 10:01 PM
walk, steal, and a run scoring double. Now that's baseball

Stray
09-10-2020, 10:01 PM
heck of an at bat

podgejeff_
09-10-2020, 10:01 PM
Goodwin doubles in his first RBI, Shogo scores!

Ron Madden
09-10-2020, 10:01 PM
RBI Double by Goodwin!!!

Kc61
09-10-2020, 10:01 PM
One heck of an AB by Goodwin who went down 0-2 initially. Worked the count, and an RBI double.

Ironman92
09-10-2020, 10:01 PM
Anyone else watching the Reds via Hulu?

Lord. I currently have the volume on 6....typically have it on 14. Both Jim and Chris are like air horns going off randomly....or like Thom getting excited but without warning

Ironman92
09-10-2020, 10:02 PM
Goodwin [emoji122][emoji122][emoji122]

HammerTime
09-10-2020, 10:03 PM
They can’t keep playing Garcia and acting like we are really trying to make the playoffs.

PuffyPig
09-10-2020, 10:03 PM
U gotta LOVE having Shogo, Goodwin, and Garcia in there. Those guys just rake!
G

Nice reverse jinx there.


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podgejeff_
09-10-2020, 10:04 PM
They can’t keep playing Garcia and acting like we are really trying to make the playoffs.

They can if Stephenson brings the kind of bat we're hoping he has.

TexasRedsFan
09-10-2020, 10:04 PM
Best offensive start to a game maybe all season. Finally picking each other up like good teams do.

Goodwin doing his part to get us a good win.

mhs95_06
09-10-2020, 10:06 PM
walk, steal, and a run scoring double. Now that's baseball

An add on run, with no HR involved, to help Sonny be a bit more comfortable, and for the benefit of the bullpen.

Rantly
09-10-2020, 10:06 PM
Three runs scored without a HR.

Ironman92
09-10-2020, 10:06 PM
Nice reverse jinx there.


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Boo for calling it too early tho

texasdave
09-10-2020, 10:07 PM
I smell a winning streak in the making.

zigbeenuthouse
09-10-2020, 10:07 PM
Garcia is going to be a great SS

I think he is. He's got some holes in his swing right now in learning how to hit the breaking pitch and how to lay off the pitch NOT a strike. Once he gets experience in facing MLB pitching he'll start to hit. The guy has not played above advanced A ball. This COVID mess denying minor league baseball has hurt players like Garcia.

mhs95_06
09-10-2020, 10:08 PM
Sonny may be too comfortable now! Lead goes to 3-0 and he goes 3-0 to the lead-off batter.

Ron Madden
09-10-2020, 10:11 PM
Force Out

podgejeff_
09-10-2020, 10:11 PM
Shogo with the heads up force out!

TexasRedsFan
09-10-2020, 10:12 PM
Smart play by Shogo after almost coming up with a great catch.

757690
09-10-2020, 10:12 PM
Nice way for Shogo to stay with the play after he bobbled the ball.

Kc61
09-10-2020, 10:12 PM
I think he is. He's got some holes in his swing right now in learning how to hit the breaking pitch and how to lay off the pitch NOT a strike. Once he gets experience in facing MLB pitching he'll start to hit. The guy has not played above advanced A ball. This COVID mess denying minor league baseball has hurt players like Garcia.

Don’t be shocked if Garcia gets some minor league time next season.

Roy Tucker
09-10-2020, 10:12 PM
A 7-4 fielders choice. Don’t see that often.

Stray
09-10-2020, 10:13 PM
Every one of these went the Cubs way yesterday.

757690
09-10-2020, 10:13 PM
I think Garcia got him.

Ironman92
09-10-2020, 10:13 PM
Nice defense boys....that play by Garcia was awesome

mhs95_06
09-10-2020, 10:13 PM
The wet outfield wreaking havoc with sliding catches! Both LFs have suffered, but Shogo alertly got an out when Contreras turned back to first prematurely.

mhs95_06
09-10-2020, 10:15 PM
Moose could stand to stretch a little toward the throw for a force out.

Ron Madden
09-10-2020, 10:15 PM
Nice play Jose

Kc61
09-10-2020, 10:15 PM
Good call on that by Chris Welsh with his IRS analogy. Funny.

TexasRedsFan
09-10-2020, 10:15 PM
Bell wins the challenge! Looked to me like it could've gone either way.

WVRedsFan
09-10-2020, 10:15 PM
Garcia has all the tools. Nice play

podgejeff_
09-10-2020, 10:15 PM
It seems like Welsh is a little more loose with the jokes now that Thom's gone.

mhs95_06
09-10-2020, 10:15 PM
Let's go 7-4, 6-4, and 5-4!

Roy Tucker
09-10-2020, 10:16 PM
The Reds flashing leather.

I never quite understood that saying.

zigbeenuthouse
09-10-2020, 10:16 PM
Shogo may be coming around at the right time. Get Winker and Suarez and the rest clicking and we may have something here.

podgejeff_
09-10-2020, 10:16 PM
Great block by Stephenson.

Roy Tucker
09-10-2020, 10:17 PM
Shogo may be coming around at the right time. Get Winker and Suarez and the rest clicking and we may have something here.

Hope springs eternal.

Ron Madden
09-10-2020, 10:17 PM
Good Pitch!

Kc61
09-10-2020, 10:18 PM
Nice pitching by Gray alternating the breaking pitch in the dirt and the fastball at the letters.

BCubb2003
09-10-2020, 10:21 PM
The Toyota truck used to be wrapped in large graphics, but now it’s a straight red. No one will know you won.

757690
09-10-2020, 10:22 PM
Just curious. Why does Fox Ohio have Graves and LeCure join the broadcasting team in the middle innings? Why not have them there all game? It can’t save them money, they aren’t getting paid by the inning.

Ironman92
09-10-2020, 10:22 PM
The wet outfield wreaking havoc with sliding catches! Both LFs have suffered, but Shogo alertly got an out when Contreras turned back to first prematurely.

I donít think Shogoís has anything to do with the wet. He got an incredible jump and going full go....I think his head was hobbling some on the run/slide and caused him to slightly miss.

Ironman92
09-10-2020, 10:22 PM
Moose could stand to stretch a little toward the throw for a force out.

No....our infielders love doing that for whatever reason.

Roy Tucker
09-10-2020, 10:24 PM
I spent a rain delay at Wrigley once with my 3 kids, wife, and in-laws. Dad drank a little too much beer.

podgejeff_
09-10-2020, 10:26 PM
Just curious. Why does Fox Ohio have Graves and LeCure join the broadcasting team in the middle innings? Why not have them there all game? It can’t save them money, they aren’t getting paid by the inning.

Probably tryouts for the full-time job.

Ironman92
09-10-2020, 10:26 PM
The Reds flashing leather.

I never quite understood that saying.

It dates back to the 1800ís when cowboys would make a quick adjustment to their horse to avoid danger for them or the horse. They used an extra thin leather strap to get a quicker response to the horse.

Ok....I made that all up.

Ron Madden
09-10-2020, 10:27 PM
Good play Jose!

podgejeff_
09-10-2020, 10:27 PM
For all of the crap Votto's defense gets, that was a nice pick.

Ironman92
09-10-2020, 10:29 PM
For all of the crap Votto's defense gets, that was a nice pick.

It was good but I also expect every player at first base to make that play. Joey used to be one of the best scoopers. He made that one. The tougher play was at the other end though. Happy to see good defense thus far

Roy Tucker
09-10-2020, 10:29 PM
It dates back to the 1800’s when cowboys would make a quick adjustment to their horse to avoid danger for them or the horse. They used an extra thin leather strap to get a quicker response to the horse.

Ok....I made that all up.

You had me going there for a minute.

I’ll research and report back.

Ron Madden
09-10-2020, 10:29 PM
Looks like the rain has picked up a bit

Ironman92
09-10-2020, 10:30 PM
Garciaís defensive ability on display tonight. Very smooth.

Ironman92
09-10-2020, 10:31 PM
Garcia wow

Bryant very fast. Someone didnít stretch their foot towards the throw but it was moo to the result

podgejeff_
09-10-2020, 10:32 PM
So it was like fifteen years ago so I can't really recall, but wasn't there some controversy when Danny Graves was let go from the Reds?

Ron Madden
09-10-2020, 10:34 PM
Raining a little harder

HammerTime
09-10-2020, 10:34 PM
So it was like fifteen years ago so I can't really recall, but wasn't there some controversy when Danny Graves was let go from the Reds?

Other than him playing very poorly I don’t recall anything else off the field.

mhs95_06
09-10-2020, 10:35 PM
Ump fails to call a strike on the first pitch on the upper inside corner where Mahle was doing good with Rizzo. Don't get the call and Sonny loses him.

Ron Madden
09-10-2020, 10:35 PM
So it was like fifteen years ago so I can't really recall, but wasn't there some controversy when Danny Graves was let go from the Reds?

He flipped the bird at a fan @ GABP

BCubb2003
09-10-2020, 10:35 PM
So it was like fifteen years ago so I can't really recall, but wasn't there some controversy when Danny Graves was let go from the Reds?

There was a game where he gave the finger to the crowd.

TexasRedsFan
09-10-2020, 10:36 PM
Just curious. Why does Fox Ohio have Graves and LeCure join the broadcasting team in the middle innings? Why not have them there all game? It canít save them money, they arenít getting paid by the inning.

They'd have to pay additional guys for pre and post game show since that's what Graves and Lecure are primarily there for. I do like having 3 guys in the booth rather than just 2.

podgejeff_
09-10-2020, 10:37 PM
He flipped the bird at a fan @ GABP

Eh, no big deal then. I just remember at the time people were like "WHAT?!"

Clearly the current ownership holds no ill will.

Ironman92
09-10-2020, 10:37 PM
Cmon Sonny....be the seasoned veteran here. 3. Straight terrible pitches

Ironman92
09-10-2020, 10:38 PM
Nasty when it mattered lol

HammerTime
09-10-2020, 10:39 PM
Froze Em!

TexasRedsFan
09-10-2020, 10:39 PM
Get 2 more innings in and then it can rain all it wants.

podgejeff_
09-10-2020, 10:39 PM
PAINT JOB

Ironman92
09-10-2020, 10:39 PM
Eh, no big deal then. I just remember at the time people were like "WHAT?!"

Clearly the current ownership holds no ill will.

Funny because I have been flipping the bird to the ownership for quite some time

TexasRedsFan
09-10-2020, 10:41 PM
It's about time for the Moose to go on a tear.

podgejeff_
09-10-2020, 10:42 PM
Alzolay mistakes Moose's shin for the catcher's mitt.

podgejeff_
09-10-2020, 10:46 PM
I do love Shogo's approach. It may not always work out but he's usually giving quality ABs.

Ironman92
09-10-2020, 10:46 PM
We were seeing a poor manís Shogo....now we are seeing a poor manís Shin Soo Choo

mhs95_06
09-10-2020, 10:47 PM
Get 2 more innings in and then it can rain all it wants.

Didn't they change the rule so its not necessarily a win if play is called for the day after 5 innings, they may suspend it until another day?

Ron Madden
09-10-2020, 10:47 PM
Alright Shogo!

Ironman92
09-10-2020, 10:47 PM
Shogo being a baseball player

podgejeff_
09-10-2020, 10:48 PM
Stephenson robbed by some BS.

Stray
09-10-2020, 10:48 PM
Shogo making things happen

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Roy Tucker
09-10-2020, 10:48 PM
That’s not fair.

Ironman92
09-10-2020, 10:48 PM
Lord that was unfortunate

Kc61
09-10-2020, 10:49 PM
Nice effort by Stephenson to make contact there with two strikes and man on third.

Tough result.

mhs95_06
09-10-2020, 10:50 PM
Here's another chance for a run that good teams will pick up with runner on 3rd and 1 out. Niko makes a good play to keep Shogo at 3rd for another pitcher to try and strand.

TexasRedsFan
09-10-2020, 10:50 PM
Lefty coming in. Hopefully Bell can resist the urge to tinker in the 4th inning.

PuffyPig
09-10-2020, 10:54 PM
Here's another chance for a run that good teams will pick up with runner on 3rd and 1 out. Niko makes a good play to keep Shogo at 3rd for another pitcher to try and strand.

Historically a run scores with a runner on third and less than two outs about. 50% of the time.

I believe with the increase in Kís that number is decreasing.

But I doubt any team, whether they are good or not, does it exceptionally more than 50%.


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TexasRedsFan
09-10-2020, 10:54 PM
I like the at-bats Goodwin provides. Even when he doesn't reach, he makes the pitcher work.

Kc61
09-10-2020, 10:57 PM
I like the at-bats Goodwin provides. Even when he doesn't reach, he makes the pitcher work.

Goodwin has played more against RHP in his career, but has a higher OPS against lefties.

podgejeff_
09-10-2020, 10:57 PM
Oh no, some inside pitches to a Cub.

Prepare for whining.

adkindo
09-10-2020, 10:59 PM
they are going to delay this game soon

RedlegsFanatic
09-10-2020, 10:59 PM
Reds should bunt the 1st pitch back to the pitcher next inning.
If u ďreallyĒ care about getting a win.

TexasRedsFan
09-10-2020, 11:00 PM
Sonny not looking like he's gonna go deep in this one unfortunately.

Ironman92
09-10-2020, 11:01 PM
Sonny not looking like he's gonna go deep in this one unfortunately.

His extremely long stride not benefitting him on the wet mound

podgejeff_
09-10-2020, 11:04 PM
...what

Ironman92
09-10-2020, 11:06 PM
Tough luck but also good base running

adkindo
09-10-2020, 11:06 PM
Tough luck but also good base running

1st base was not an option?

Ironman92
09-10-2020, 11:08 PM
1st base was not an option?

I donít think so and throwing that wet ball likely not going to work out well

podgejeff_
09-10-2020, 11:09 PM
Well, that could have been worse, I guess.

mhs95_06
09-10-2020, 11:09 PM
2nd base-running mistake by Contreras!

TexasRedsFan
09-10-2020, 11:10 PM
Ugh. Don't like the way this inning's going. Reds lucky the guy on 3rd was sleeping.

Coopdaddy67
09-10-2020, 11:11 PM
Well, that could have been worse, I guess.

It got worse.

RedTeamGo!
09-10-2020, 11:12 PM
Reds getting hosed by the rain. This should have been delayed 10 minutes ago.

adkindo
09-10-2020, 11:13 PM
going to go from wanting the rain to hold off to wanting it to flash flood if we cant escape this

Tom Servo
09-10-2020, 11:15 PM
Ugh.

TexasRedsFan
09-10-2020, 11:15 PM
Just awful. This team is snake bit.

RedTeamGo!
09-10-2020, 11:16 PM
This is so lame, down pouring and MLB clearly wants to force this game in.

ochoa30
09-10-2020, 11:16 PM
I don’t get why they were still playing. Smh.

adkindo
09-10-2020, 11:16 PM
This is so lame, down pouring and MLB clearly wants to force this game in.

we would not have been happy if they called this game 10 minutes ago

JarrodOnVinyl
09-10-2020, 11:17 PM
That would only happen to the Reds

lnn6574
09-10-2020, 11:17 PM
When it rains, it pours.


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TexasRedsFan
09-10-2020, 11:18 PM
Weakest 4 run rally I think I've ever seen.

RedTeamGo!
09-10-2020, 11:18 PM
we would not have been happy if they called this game 10 minutes ago

I would have. It started to downpour while Sonny was on the mound, he clearly couldn’t grip the ball right and kept slipping. It’s absurd this game was not delayed.

RedlegsFanatic
09-10-2020, 11:18 PM
Truly amazing how the Reds give away runs and games.
They invent new ways nightly.
Itís uncanny really, Iíve never seen anything like it.
I was obviously joking about bunting earlier, I was just thinking about ways to beat the rain, I shoulda known they wouldnít even have the lead anyway. lol

Roy Tucker
09-10-2020, 11:19 PM
Doesn’t look like a very nice night at Wrigley. Wind and rain. Sloppy conditions.

RedlegsFanatic
09-10-2020, 11:19 PM
Over/Under on how many Lorenzen walks tonight?
3? 4?

Ironman92
09-10-2020, 11:19 PM
When it rains, it pours.


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Nice

Ironman92
09-10-2020, 11:20 PM
Weakest 4 run rally I think I've ever seen.

You might have to hold a beer for the Cardinals

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09-10-2020, 11:20 PM
When it rains, it pours.


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Very true when ur a Reds fan

JarrodOnVinyl
09-10-2020, 11:21 PM
Of course the Reds will come to bat and not score, THEN they will call the game

wally post
09-10-2020, 11:22 PM
Over/Under on how many Lorenzen walks tonight?
3? 4?

There's one

Kc61
09-10-2020, 11:22 PM
LOL, watch them call the game for the Cubs after the Reds bat in the fifth.

adkindo
09-10-2020, 11:22 PM
I would have. It started to downpour while Sonny was on the mound, he clearly couldnít grip the ball right and kept slipping. Itís absurd this game was not delayed.

you would have been pleased if they pulled the players off the field with a 3-0 lead in the bottom of the 4th, 1 out and Contreras on 2nd.... with no guarantee they return? If so, you would have been in a tiny minority

RedlegsFanatic
09-10-2020, 11:23 PM
At a boy Mikey.
Bryant couldnít hit off my sister this year and I give ur patented free bag

RedlegsFanatic
09-10-2020, 11:25 PM
Lorenzen needs to visit the alternate site for a while.

wally post
09-10-2020, 11:25 PM
What's to say? We are not good

RedlegsFanatic
09-10-2020, 11:26 PM
Have the Cubs actually scored 5 runs without hitting the ball out of the infield?

WVRedsFan
09-10-2020, 11:27 PM
Same old story. Score early and the Cubs come back. Manager replaces Sonny with Lorenzen. Lorenzen struggles. Come on Reds!!!

RedTeamGo!
09-10-2020, 11:27 PM
you would have been pleased if they pulled the players off the field with a 3-0 lead in the bottom of the 4th, 1 out and Contreras on 2nd.... with no guarantee they return? If so, you would have been in a tiny minority

Yes, because it was pouring rain. This isn’t football.

Ironman92
09-10-2020, 11:27 PM
Now THAT was a tough scoop by Joseph

adkindo
09-10-2020, 11:28 PM
Have the Cubs actually scored 5 runs without hitting the ball out of the infield?

Hoerner doubled to CF

Jomama
09-10-2020, 11:28 PM
More bad luck...

Tom Servo
09-10-2020, 11:29 PM
I don't really get the indignation about this inning. It sucks, but there are real bad conditions, Sonny couldn't get swings and misses, and bad luck on balls in play especially the infield single that brings in two runs. Lorenzen letting in the extra run was bad.

I was liking the team's approach before it, hopefully it's a sign of things to come but it could have just been taking advantage of a weak starter.

Bob Sheed
09-10-2020, 11:29 PM
Good ole Marty...

Ron Madden
09-10-2020, 11:30 PM
Base hit for Garcia

Ironman92
09-10-2020, 11:31 PM
I don't really get the indignation about this inning. It sucks, but there are real bad conditions, Sonny couldn't get swings and misses, and bad luck on balls in play especially the infield single that brings in two runs. Lorenzen letting in the extra run was bad.

I was liking the team's approach before it, hopefully it's a sign of things to come but it could have just been taking advantage of a weak starter.

Any sport in these conditions is so much tougher. Baseball is damn hard anyways. How many on here have tried to pitch in this stuff or scoop a ball from wet grass and throw?

zigbeenuthouse
09-10-2020, 11:31 PM
Counting on Lorenzen to come in to the game in a tight situation and hold the opposition is like asking Portland to shut down riots....ain't happening.

Ron Madden
09-10-2020, 11:33 PM
Counting on Lorenzen to come in to the game in a tight situation and hold the opposition is like asking Portland to shut down riots....ain't happening.

He had 14 scoreless innings coming into tonight's game

TexasRedsFan
09-10-2020, 11:35 PM
They even know the name of Votto's dog?

Ironman92
09-10-2020, 11:36 PM
Good AB by Joey but only crap scores tonight

adkindo
09-10-2020, 11:36 PM
Any sport in these conditions is so much tougher. Baseball is damn hard anyways. How many on here have tried to pitch in this stuff or scoop a ball from wet grass and throw?

everytime it rains, I grab my neighbor to hit me some hard grounders in the back yard....don't everyone do that? When it is sunny, I have him hit them really high so I can practice blocking out the sun....you know, just in case someone wants to pay me to play baseball, I will be ready.

Ironman92
09-10-2020, 11:36 PM
They even know the name of Votto's dog?

Shouldíve said DiMaggio

Ironman92
09-10-2020, 11:37 PM
everytime it rains, I grab my neighbor to hit me some hard grounders in the back yard....don't everyone do that? When it is sunny, I have him hit them really high so I can practice blocking out the sun....you know, just in case someone wants to pay me to play baseball, I will be ready.

Canít block the sun if the ball is in the sun

Bob Sheed
09-10-2020, 11:37 PM
everytime it rains, I grab my neighbor to hit me some hard grounders in the back yard....don't everyone do that? When it is sunny, I have him hit them really high so I can practice blocking out the sun....you know, just in case someone wants to pay me to play baseball, I will be ready.

Your ideas intrigue me and I wish to subscribe to your newsletter.

RedlegsFanatic
09-10-2020, 11:38 PM
What do u honestly expect when u hire Caleb Cotham as ur assistant pitching coach? LMAO
What’s the deal with Cotham anyway? Does his uncle own a % of the Reds or something?
First u think he’s worthy of the best closer in the game at the time, and then after he isn’t good enough to hang on at Single A ball u hire him to actually COACH pitching? I love it.

RedTeamGo!
09-10-2020, 11:38 PM
Counting on Lorenzen to come in to the game in a tight situation and hold the opposition is like asking Portland to shut down riots....ain't happening.

Oh man, this is so funny. So topical.

RedTeamGo!
09-10-2020, 11:39 PM
What do u honestly expect when u hire Caleb Cotham as ur assistant pitching coach? LMAO
What’s the deal with Cotham anyway? Does his uncle own a % of the Reds or something?
First u think he’s worthy of the best closer in the game at the time, and then after he isn’t good enough to hang on at Single A ball u hire him to actually COACH pitching? I love it.

Oh yeah, that inning was definitely on....Caleb Cotham?

Ron Madden
09-10-2020, 11:40 PM
What do u honestly expect when u hire Caleb Cotham as ur assistant pitching coach? LMAO
What’s the deal with Cotham anyway? Does his uncle own a % of the Reds or something?
First u think he’s worthy of the best closer in the game at the time, and then after he isn’t good enough to hang on at Single A ball u hire him to actually COACH pitching? I love it.

Look everyone someone who knows nothing about baseball disguised as a Reds Fan

Ironman92
09-10-2020, 11:41 PM
We need the ball in the grass

RedTeamGo!
09-10-2020, 11:41 PM
Castellanos always looks so confused every time he flies out.

RedlegsFanatic
09-10-2020, 11:42 PM
Hoerner doubled to CF

Oh thanks... I missed that.
I’m switching back n forth watching my DraftKings players bat.

adkindo
09-10-2020, 11:42 PM
We need the ball in the grass

unless they have been taking wet grounders with their neighbor

adkindo
09-10-2020, 11:43 PM
that rain appears to have cut the Cubs a timely break....if it picks up after we take the field.....

RedTeamGo!
09-10-2020, 11:44 PM
unless they have been taking wet grounders with their neighbor

Hey this is a family site

Ironman92
09-10-2020, 11:44 PM
Castellanos always looks so confused every time he flies out.

Bell gives them a brain teaser after each time out on defense

Ironman92
09-10-2020, 11:44 PM
that rain appears to have cut the Cubs a timely break....if it picks up after we take the field.....

Itís still going pretty hard

/family site

RedTeamGo!
09-10-2020, 11:46 PM
Bell gives them a brain teaser after each time out on defense

I’m sure Cast is a nice guy or whatever, but I get a really dumb guy vibe off him. I’m sorry.

adkindo
09-10-2020, 11:46 PM
It’s still going pretty hard

/family site

yeah....some camera angles do not show it....then they change cameras, and I see it is still coming down

Red Raindog
09-10-2020, 11:47 PM
Suarez

Sigh

Iím going to bed on that one.


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Ironman92
09-10-2020, 11:47 PM
Suarez back to anti oppo

zigbeenuthouse
09-10-2020, 11:47 PM
He had 14 scoreless innings coming into tonight's game

Were they pressure? Were they against the Pirates? He failed tonight. AND, he's failed most of the time this year. Trusting him is walking the plank...

Ironman92
09-10-2020, 11:48 PM
Iím sure Cast is a nice guy or whatever, but I get a really dumb guy vibe off him. Iím sorry.

Thatís incorrect....the answer was 4 people left in the room

Alabama Red
09-10-2020, 11:49 PM
Not a good at bat for Suarez.

zigbeenuthouse
09-10-2020, 11:49 PM
Quietly into the night as the Cubs come to bat into the fifth. I've not got lot of faith in Reds winning this game.....Moustakas done for the night as well.

TexasRedsFan
09-10-2020, 11:49 PM
Gotta be the most frustrating season of his career for Moose. Just can't catch a break.

Ironman92
09-10-2020, 11:52 PM
No luck tonight

adkindo
09-10-2020, 11:53 PM
I did a general public paid tour of Wrigley a few years ago....they take you down into the clubhouse and all around the stadium...I was shocked how small and non-luxurious the clubhouse/locker room area under Wrigley was for the Cubs. I guess they are pretty limited in what they could do in an old ballpark. It even felt a tad damp with a hint of urine in the air...

Tom Servo
09-10-2020, 11:54 PM
I did a general public paid tour of Wrigley a few years ago....they take you down into the clubhouse and all around the stadium...I was shocked how small and non-luxurious the clubhouse/locker room area under Wrigley was for the Cubs. I guess they are pretty limited in what they could do in an old ballpark. It even felt a tad damp with a hint of urine in the air...
It's a dump. It's alright sitting there (so long as you avoid the obstructed view seats) but everything is is pretty awful.

RedTeamGo!
09-10-2020, 11:55 PM
Yeah I’m tapping out for the night. Needed this one. Oh well.

TexasRedsFan
09-10-2020, 11:55 PM
Lorenzen just watches as old man Votto busts his a** for an out. On his birthday no less.

RedTeamGo!
09-10-2020, 11:55 PM
It's a dump. It's alright sitting there (so long as you avoid the obstructed view seats) but everything is is pretty awful.

Yeah itís gross. Guaranteed Rate or whatever it is called is way better and itís not even a nice park.

Wrigleyville is fun, though. Last time I went I blacked out and pushed my friend into the street and he almost got hit by a car. Itís not my fault I didnít see the small 1 foot tall fence next to the road that he tripped over. I then ralphed all over the bathroom in Goose Island Brewery.

Ok, it was my fault.

BluegrassRedleg
09-10-2020, 11:56 PM
I did a general public paid tour of Wrigley a few years ago....they take you down into the clubhouse and all around the stadium...I was shocked how small and non-luxurious the clubhouse/locker room area under Wrigley was for the Cubs. I guess they are pretty limited in what they could do in an old ballpark. It even felt a tad damp with a hint of urine in the air...

It's a dump. It's old and has ivy on the walls, though, so people get a little misty-eyed about it.

Tom Servo
09-10-2020, 11:56 PM
Yeah it’s gross. Guaranteed Rate or whatever it is called is way better and it’s not even a nice park.
Yeah Wrigley is way more convenient for me living in Lakeview but White Sox games, especially the last few years during their rebuild, were a way better experience.

BluegrassRedleg
09-10-2020, 11:57 PM
It's a dump. It's alright sitting there (so long as you avoid the obstructed view seats) but everything is is pretty awful.

My seat (or, more accurately, 3/4 of a seat) was facing away from home plate on my last visit. Totally fubar. My neck hurt for 2 days.

wally post
09-10-2020, 11:59 PM
MOre runs scoring - It's numbing listening to the friendly chatter as the titanic sinks again

Boston Red
09-10-2020, 11:59 PM
Wrigley is the best.

adkindo
09-11-2020, 12:00 AM
It's a dump. It's alright sitting there (so long as you avoid the obstructed view seats) but everything is is pretty awful.

it was empty, Cubs were on a road trip....the only time I recall sitting was in the outfield bleachers so they could tell us the history around the scoreboard. I do recall the absolute perfection of the grass in the field....and the way they almost made us feel like there were snipers ready to take us out if we dared to cross the ropes and place foot on field of play...

757690
09-11-2020, 12:00 AM
Wrigley is run down, but it’s size, the ivy and brick make it a special place to watch baseball. I loved every game I saw there, there is nothing else like it.

RedTeamGo!
09-11-2020, 12:01 AM
Yeah Wrigley is way more convenient for me living in Lakeview but White Sox games, especially the last few years during their rebuild, were a way better experience.

Last time I went to a white sox game it was the day McGregor fought Mayweather.

My friend lived in River North and had about 25 people over for the fight. I’ve never seen so many coked up Italians screaming at a television in my life.

Good time.

Boston Red
09-11-2020, 12:02 AM
The Reds are the worst.

RedlegsFanatic
09-11-2020, 12:03 AM
:bang:
Oh to be a Reds fan in today’s MLB

757690
09-11-2020, 12:05 AM
There are four more innings to play? Feels like the game should be over by now.

Redsfan6272
09-11-2020, 12:05 AM
Bell leaves Lorenzen in and he gives up one more run. My eyes and not any stupid data said pull him bring in Thornburg. Nope a must win game. Bell doesnt manage like every game is myst win

RedTeamGo!
09-11-2020, 12:06 AM
There are four more innings to play? Feels like the game should be over by now.

Well, the game is over, it just hasn’t ended yet.

Ba da tish.

woodyjoe
09-11-2020, 12:07 AM
Bell usually makes such excellent decisions but I don't get taking Gray out and bringing Lorenzen in. I think he should have let Gray work out of the situation.