9-19-20 Reds vs White Sox

[The Operator]

Would love to see Anderson make a bonehead error while talking to these clowns.

[zigbeenuthouse]

Foster is really good.

[Cursh14]

I am so torn on this player interview during the game. When it's the opposing team and someone interesting like Tim Anderson, it's pretty sweet.

[Kc61]

Cards break up no hitter and score two runs. 4-2 Pirates with Cards still threatening.

[Tom Servo]

Not Tim Anderson’s fault but that was one of the least watchable Reds innings this season

[NebraskaRed]

It's almost like this White Sox team is really good.

[ochoa30]

2 more balls called strikes to Senzel. This ump has missed more calls then he’s made. It’s insane.

[Ron Madden]

#ScoreboardStumper:
Four players, who have hit 400 or more Major League home runs, have played for the Reds & played for the White Sox in their career. Who are they?


Jamie Ramsey
@Jamieblog
#ScoreboardStumper Answer:
Edwin Encarnacion,
Paul Konerko,
Adam Dunn,
Ken Griffey Jr.

[ochoa30]

Pirates blowing it and brewers winning so that sucks

[Tom Servo]

It's almost like this White Sox team is really good.
They are and I’ve got nothing against them but I also feel like they’re gonna choke this year, it’s kind of in their DNA.

[The Operator]

Dang, Bauer with the diving stop!

Wow

[Hamilton95]

well, this one is over.

False

[Hamilton95]

False

The guys anoucing the game are dumbasses.

[The Operator]

That was a strike, Nomar

Sit down

[podgejeff_]

I've muted the announcers. I can't anymore.

I'd rather listen to Thom Brennaman clone himself and do PBP, Color, and roving reporter all at the same time.

[Kc61]

Pirates blowing it and brewers winning so that sucks

Yea, rooting for the Pirates, even in this limited context, is not easy these days.

[podgejeff_]

Yea, rooting for the Pirates, even in this limited context, is not easy.

If my home team were the Pirates I'd just not watch baseball.

[KeefeCato]

I've muted the announcers. I can't anymore.

I'd rather listen to Thom Brennaman clone himself and do PBP, Color, and roving reporter all at the same time.

Oh Doctor!!

[BluegrassRedleg]

Pirates with explosive diarrhea in 7th. That game is gone now. Reds need to find a way to steal this one late.

[The Operator]

Damn Trevor flashing the leather again

[TexasRedsFan]

Hilarious how AJ told Anderson he has to be neutral on a national broadcast and then in the next sentence says as non-neutral a statement as one can.

[Ron Madden]

Haha couple of nice plays by Trevor Bauer!!!

[ochoa30]

Get this man some runs!!!

[The Operator]

Alright folks, my daughter is officially asleep.


Time to break out the bats and get Trevor a win.

[UPRedsFan]

Trevor no longer trusts his defense. He's trying to do it all.

[The Operator]

Hilarious how AJ told Anderson he has to be neutral on a national broadcast and then in the next sentence says as non-neutral a statement as one can.

Yea, that was just painfully transparent the entire time. He’s terrible.

[TexasRedsFan]

Trevor no longer trusts his defense. He's trying to do it all.

Bet he wishes he could hit right about now.

[Coopdaddy67]

The Pirates hate the Reds. Losing 5-4.

[mhs95_06]

Another sub 2.0 ERA for the next Sox pitcher!

[The Operator]

Galvis pinch hitting

[zigbeenuthouse]

The Pirates hate the Reds. Losing 5-4.

They must hate a lot of teams...

[The Operator]

Galvis leadoff walk

Here we go!

[JFLegal]

nice AB, fred.

[Ron Madden]

Freddy draws a BB

[JFLegal]

The Pirates hate the Reds. Losing 5-4.

jfc

[The Operator]

Winker hits for Casali


Tie it up, Jesse!

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Garbage strike 1 call

[podgejeff_]

The Reds fate is somewhat determined by the Pirates winning and the Cards faltering?

There was no way the baseball gods were going to allow that to happen.

[mhs95_06]

Back to the one knee swing!

[The Operator]

Damn Winker swing out of shoes on the 1-1 offering

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Ugh

1 out

[Coopdaddy67]

Man, couldn't ask for a better pitch to hit, he just blew it past him.

[WVRedsFan]

Looks like Winker was swinging for a HR

[JFLegal]

winker's reggie jackson impression needs to end.

[The Operator]

Ooooh Aquino just missed that

Fouled it straight back

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Ugh

A strikeout would have been better than that

[Tom Servo]

man this Sox bullpen is good. Can they bring Keuchel back out please

[JFLegal]

just when the reds get all of hopes up, they choke in spectacular fashion on national TV.

[TexasRedsFan]

When no one's hitting it out of the ballpark, this offense is screwed.

[kaldaniels]

send aquino to prasco where he can finish his career in the style of neftali soto

[JFLegal]

send aquino to prasco where he can finish his career in the style of neftali soto

lol, it's almost as if 8/19 was a fluke. who knew?

[ochoa30]

just when the reds get all of hopes up, they choke in spectacular fashion on national TV.

Yeah, I can’t believe they won’t win every single game for the rest of the year! What chokers!!

[The Operator]

Bob Steve


Oh boy

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Jesus

[JFLegal]

Yeah, I can’t believe they won’t win every single game for the rest of the year! What chokers!!

sports are difficult for you to understand.

3-0 sox.

[Kc61]

Can Reds come back from 2-0 deficit? Make that 3-0.

Can Royals come back on Brewers from 1-2 deficit?

Can Pirates come back on Cards from 5-4 deficit?

Those are the questions, not sure I want the answers.

[Mitri]

Why the hell is he in? Jesus.

[Reds Fanatic]

Why would you possibly bring Stephenson in to a game this close in the 8th inning

[The Operator]

I guess it’s easy to say now, but sure would be nice if Antone had been available tonight.

[ochoa30]

sports are difficult for you to understand.

3-0 sox.

Oh yes clearly between my posts and yours that is the logical conclusion. Nice going.

[Tom Servo]

I’ve been a BobSteve fan but that’s 6 HRs now in 8 innings which *checks notes* extremely bad.

[The Operator]

Lol


Bob Steve is terrible


4-0

[zigbeenuthouse]

Stephenson with 7 HRs in 8 innings this year....WHY use him in close game vs mashers???

[jup]

Hell of start by Bauer, and the Reds had multiple chance to do damage early and often. But the guys that need to get it done, the Castellanos's, Votto's Moose's and Suarez's just can't figure it out

[Red Raindog]

BombSteve takes the suspense out of this game


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[Reds Fanatic]

Note to Bell. Unless the Reds are up or down 10 runs we should not see Stephenson in a game again this year

[WVRedsFan]

Bob Steve just doesn't have it. Sad but true.

[podgejeff_]

Why would you possibly bring Stephenson in to a game this close in the 8th inning

Remember the other night when BobSteve was pitching and Cowboy/Lecure were just gushing about his stuff? And it was working for him, he was good BobSteve that night.

That's why. His stuff makes other baseball people go bonkers. And guys like that are the ones making the decisions on who to send in.

[JFLegal]

Lol


Bob Steve is terrible


4-0

he is very bad. they need to give him the phil ervin treatment. "it's cool we drafted you 27th overall ... but that was a massive mistake. goodbye."

[jup]

Stephenson with 7 HRs in 8 innings this year....WHY use him in close game vs mashers???

What a marked difference - Bauer leaves the mound and it becomes batting practice - F...k

[kaldaniels]

Is a DFA in play?

[The Operator]

This is one of Bell’s biggest head scratchers of the year. And that’s saying something.


And now Abreu makes it back to back to back



Get this joker out of hers

[Coopdaddy67]

My guess is that Bell didn't want to burn his best RP if the offense wasn't going to come through and hoped Stephenson could get through it. I can understand that logic.

...and another HR.

Yuck.

[zigbeenuthouse]

Stephenson with 7 HRs in 8 innings this year....WHY use him in close game vs mashers???

Make it 8 HRs in 8 innings...he just nixed any chance of win.....Bell threw in the towel.

[adkindo]

Why the hell is he in? Jesus.

appears Bell game up when we could not score any runs last inning.....Stephenson should be finished with the Reds...the guy is a bust

[ochoa30]

Not great Bob

[BluegrassRedleg]

David Bell with a nonsensical lineup and a terrible bullpen decision. Same as it ever was...

[Ron Madden]

It wouldn't hurt my feelings none if Robert Stephenson never threw another pitch while wearing a Cincinnati Reds uniform again

[JFLegal]

This is one of Bell’s biggest head scratchers of the year. And that’s saying something.


And now Abreu makes it back to back to back



Get this joker out of hers

this ^^^^

[The Operator]

I’ve been a long time supporter(ish) but I’m over Bob.

He’ll probably win 20 games somewhere but it won’t be here. Good grief.

[davereds24]

My guess is that Bell didn't want to burn his best RP if the offense wasn't going to come through and hoped Stephenson could get through it. I can understand that logic.

...and another HR.

Yuck.

You don't concede a 2-0 game when you need every win possible. This is the type of game that will make Bauer go elsewhere next season.

[Reds Fanatic]

David Bell with a nonsensical lineup and a terrible bullpen decision. Same as it ever was...

Our best chance for the playoffs is if someone locks Bell in a closet the next week

[Ironman92]

Kinda showing you how good the White Sox are...kinda shows how good Bauer is and a bit of how Stephenson is

Our offense blows. Awful. Pretty stubborn

The interviews were a bit much in game but I really liked them.

Bauer has his own analytics team...nice

[SomeCallMeTim]

Lol


Bob Steve is terrible


4-0

3 in a row? What is worse than terrible?

Horrible, pathetic?

Wasn’t 3 the limit?

[The Operator]

An out! Wooooo!!!

[foster15]

Reds will probably score 3 or 4 runs in the next 2 innings now.

[Tom Servo]

Stephenson wouldn’t have been my choice to go to here but who could anticipate THAT? The bigger problem is that at least 3 guys in the pen are essentially unusable in any sort of close game. (Stephenson, Romano, Jones).

[The Operator]

EE damn near makes it a fourth homer

Jeez, Robert

[kaldaniels]

I’ve been a long time supporter(ish) but I’m over Bob.

He’ll probably win 20 games somewhere but it won’t be here. Good grief.

I know you are joking (certainly not being literal) but I suspect his issue is not fixable. I don’t even know what his issue is. Head case?

I thought maybe he would end up an elite reliever. Nah.

[adkindo]

oh great, the Cardinals retook the lead from the Pirates

[Kc61]

Stephenson is much better when he sticks to his breaking pitches. Not sure what he was throwing to the HR guys.

[ochoa30]

Shaping up to be a huge game tomorrow

[podgejeff_]

I get that Stephenson, when he is able to control his stuff, is very nasty.

But he's been with us NINE years now.

At this point you have to entertain a failed high ceiling for failed high ceiling trade. Maybe you end up with another Lucas Sims.

[The Operator]

Welp, a 27.00 ERA on the night for Bob. Not great, Bob... not great.

[Coopdaddy67]

You don't concede a 2-0 game when you need every win possible. This is the type of game that will make Bauer go elsewhere next season.

Lorenzen goes tomorrow, right? They're going to need all the help they can get. Given that, I understand the idea behind turning it over to Stephenson down 2-0 and hoping he can come through. He didn't.

The worst thing that could have happened was to blow your best RPs, have nothing to show for it and start tomorrow at a disadvantage. Sometimes you have to take calculated risks.

[kaldaniels]

Stephenson is much better when he sticks to his breaking pitches. Not sure what he was throwing to the HR guys.

I’m just gonna add here I’m extremely worried about Mikey Biceps against these guys tomorrow.

[The Operator]

Shaping up to be a huge game tomorrow

Losing tonight with Bauer on the hill, assuming no miracle comeback, is just so hard to swallow.


Especially with all the failed scoring opportunities early in the game. Aaggghhh

[kaldaniels]

Cards only up 1...so there’s still a slim chance there.

[zigbeenuthouse]

Almost reversal from yesterday's game with these clubs....blasts by each to get leads.

[jup]

Lorenzen goes tomorrow, right? They're going to need all the help they can get. Given that, I understand the idea behind turning it over to Stephenson down 2-0 and hoping he can come through. He didn't.

The worst thing that could have happened was to blow your best RPs, have nothing to show for it and start tomorrow at a disadvantage. Sometimes you have to take calculated risks.

Really !!!!

You play to win every game and this was a very winnable game. You win today and figure out tomorrow when you get there

[adkindo]

he was not close to that

[The Operator]

Lol nice try Nick


You won’t get the Jeter benefit of the doubt

[BluegrassRedleg]

I know you are joking (certainly not being literal) but I suspect his issue is not fixable. I don’t even know what his issue is. Head case?

I thought maybe he would end up an elite reliever. Nah.

He has Ondrusekitis. The fastball is straight as an arrow, and he can't stay out of the middle of the zone with it.

[JFLegal]

why is castellanos lying? he missed that ball badly.

[Kc61]

I’m just gonna add here I’m extremely worried about Mikey Biceps against these guys tomorrow.

At least Lorenzen throws ground balls at a good rate. Stephenson has a 28% ground ball rate. That’s below sea level.

[Tom Servo]

Really !!!!

You play to win every game and this was a very winnable game. You win today and figure out tomorrow when you get there
So you just never use your middle relievers?

Your guy pitched a damn good game, but a HR to Mazara isn’t exactly ideal either.

[757690]

send aquino to prasco where he can finish his career in the style of neftali soto

This might be one of the worst hot takes of your of all time.

Aqunio as a hit today, and a .361 OBP

[The Operator]

Joey on again with a 1 out single

[JFLegal]

So you just never use your middle relievers?

Your guy pitched a damn good game, but a HR to Mazara isn’t exactly ideal either.

right after a pitch that was a clear strike that was called a ball.

[kaldaniels]

Really !!!!

You play to win every game and this was a very winnable game. You win today and figure out tomorrow when you get there

Considering the lineup was stacked and hasn’t produced a run, the “do what you need to do to win today” thought process doesn’t really hold water. If your loaded lineup can’t score all other strategy is fruitless. Save bodies for tomorrow at this point.

[davereds24]

Lorenzen goes tomorrow, right? They're going to need all the help they can get. Given that, I understand the idea behind turning it over to Stephenson down 2-0 and hoping he can come through. He didn't.

The worst thing that could have happened was to blow your best RPs, have nothing to show for it and start tomorrow at a disadvantage. Sometimes you have to take calculated risks.

Sims was warm in the pen, they could have used him tonight and still had him tomorrow. Antone should be good tomorrow along with Garrett, Bradley, Iglesias. If you need more than that tomorrow then you aren't going to be in as good of shape as you were tonight down 2 with 2 to play.

[The Operator]

Geno takes a strike down the middle then swings through one way up

2 outs

[JFLegal]

this fake crowd noise can go straight to hell.

[Redsfan6272]

The hitting approach this game is baffling. So many hittable strikes taken for strikes. Stephenson taking 3rd strike when you need a big hit, same with Senzrl. They cant sit back and look for walks. They throw that meatball hit it.see the White Sox hammered 3 straight fastballs. Seems our guys woukd have taken those pitches grrr.

[kaldaniels]

This might be one of the worst hot takes of your of all time.

Aqunio as a hit today, and a .361 OBP

It was just making light of bruce’s style.

What is my worst hot take of all time? Curious!

[jup]

So you just never use your middle relievers?

Your guy pitched a damn good game, but a HR to Mazara isn’t exactly ideal either.

Like no pitcher ever gives up a dinger in GABP - Oh that's right no opposing pitcher ever gives up a dinger because the REDS can't hit - sorry TB doesn't having a WS uni on - smart mouth

[Kc61]

The reds had won 6 in a row.

They weren’t running the table.

They’ll be 5-1 on the homestand. It’s ok.

[Redsfan6272]

Like to see this team FINALLY get above .500. Not sit back and wait for it to happen. After last nights game they look flatter.

[Jomama]

Would love to see the Reds make a big statement on national tv. I hope Bauer isn't too focused on the cy young and end up trying to be too perfect.

Oh they made a statement alright.

[jup]

Considering the lineup was stacked and hasn’t produced a run, the “do what you need to do to win today” thought process doesn’t really hold water. If your loaded lineup can’t score all other strategy is fruitless. Save bodies for tomorrow at this point.

The Reds don't have tomorrow, this is playoff baseball, you win or you go home.

Just the mentality that keeps this team in losing mode - effects the fans too I see

[757690]

It was just making light of bruce’s style.

What is my worst hot take of all time? Curious!

Sorry, bad mood after all the homers. I missed the joke.

[kaldaniels]

Sorry, bad mood after all the homers. I missed the joke.

I don’t think it registered with many. I thought the formula of all lowercase + an obscure player would do the job.

[mhs95_06]

I’m just gonna add here I’m extremely worried about Mikey Biceps against these guys tomorrow.

Don't he and Stephenson have pretty straight fastballs?

[kaldaniels]

The Reds don't have tomorrow, this is playoff baseball, you win or you go home.

Just the mentality that keeps this team in losing mode - effects the fans too I see

I’m just sayin when you run you best lineup (or a pretty damn good one) out and you don’t score, the game was never winnable. Be glad the better relievers are rested for tomorrow. The offense stunk today and there was no overcoming that.

[Coopdaddy67]

Sims was warm in the pen, they could have used him tonight and still had him tomorrow. Antone should be good tomorrow along with Garrett, Bradley, Iglesias. If you need more than that tomorrow then you aren't going to be in as good of shape as you were tonight down 2 with 2 to play.

Antone threw 42 pitches yesterday. I wouldn't assume he'll be a go tomorrow, but if he is, you shouldn't be expecting much.

Garrett, Bradley and Iglesias can cover 4 innings if everything goes right. What happens if Lorenzen starts showing signs of losing it in the 3rd or 4th?

Bottom line, I wouldn't have gone all-in tonight when you didn't have a good hand.

[podgejeff_]

Amazing how even with the fake fans we're not close to sold out lol.

[The Operator]

Oh they made a statement alright.

Oh good grief

[kaldaniels]

This Jose Garcia thing...I don’t get it.

I’m no Freddy Galvis superfan but come on...

[The Operator]

Amazing how even with the fake fans we're not close to sold out lol.

I thought the exact same thing lol. Is Fox trolling us a little bit?

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This Jose Garcia thing...I don’t get it.

I’m no Freddy Garcia superfan but come on...

Freddy Garcia at shortstop would be pretty brutal, my man.

Dude hasn’t played in years, plus he was a pitcher. ;)

[TexasRedsFan]

Wonder what the record is for all runs scored by a team coming from solo home runs. Five is about the most I remember seeing.

[adkindo]

White Sox need to rest their guys tomorrow

[Tom Servo]

I’m just sayin when you run you best lineup (or a pretty damn good one) out and you don’t score, the game was never winnable. Be glad the better relievers are rested for tomorrow. The offense stunk today and there was no overcoming that.
I think part of the problem here, and the reason for some hostility, is that certain peoples are more invested in certain players than they are the Reds organization. And that’s fine, but coming to a Reds board and browbeating them will draw pushback.

[kaldaniels]

I thought the exact same thing lol. Is Fox trolling us a little bit?

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Freddy Garcia at shortstop would be pretty brutal, my man.

Dude hasn’t played in years, plus he was a pitcher. ;)

Touché

[BCubb2003]

Losing to the White Sox 5-0 feels worse than beating the White Sox 7-1 felt good.

[The Operator]

Touché

You know I love you...

[Coopdaddy67]

The Reds don't have tomorrow, this is playoff baseball, you win or you go home.

Just the mentality that keeps this team in losing mode - effects the fans too I see

But they do, and today's decisions can negatively impact their chances of winning tomorrow.

[The Operator]

Moose with a leadoff double!


Okay, here starts the miracle!

[Ron Madden]

Double for Mooose!

[jup]

I think part of the problem here, and the reason for some hostility, is that certain peoples are more invested in certain players than they are the Reds organization. And that’s fine, but coming to a Reds board and browbeating them will draw pushback.

Have at it Servo - push back all you like

The Reds need to change their culture, that is what it is about. You can like it or not, believe it or not, but the Reds track record over the past decade doesn't lend a lot to stand on

[The Operator]

Not great, Nick


1 out

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Kal’s buddy Freddy Garcia will bat from the right side with one down


:D

[kaldaniels]

You know I love you...

I have to admit I was in a world of confusion. First I thought to myself that was I confused and Galvis (Garcia!) had not been playing shortstop? Was that possible? Then I went to check that on Freddy Garcia’s! fangraphs page and I saw he was in his 40’s which really didn’t seem right. Then I realized the error of my ways...

Nothing to drink tonight even. (Yet)

[The Operator]

Wild pitch but Moose going nowhere

I agree, you’re down 5. Don’t run into an out

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Ball four to Galvis


Two aboard for Da Wink with one out

[Coopdaddy67]

Tough loss, but let it go and win tomorrow.

It would be nice if the Pirates could pull this one out in the 9th.

[jup]

Wild pitch but Moose going nowhere

I agree, you’re down 5. Don’t run into an out

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Ball four to Galvis


Two aboard for Da Wink with one out

But no chance to win the game if they keep it at 2 - RIGHT

[zigbeenuthouse]

Lorenzen has to give the club a chance tomorrow by not giving up blasts with men on. Get in 4-5 innings and keep it a game and give the club a chance at a win. 2 of 3 would outstanding.

[The Operator]

Well that sucks

Reds lose



This one hurts, many missed opportunities and no run support for your ace who pitched his ass off, followed by our former top pitching prospect putting the game absolutely out of reach in spectacularly embarrassing fashion.


But with that said, regroup, come back and start another winning streak tomorrow. I hope.

[WVRedsFan]

Man, Winker has turned into a liability. Crazy. Game over. Let's forget about this one and win tomorrow!

[Ron Madden]

Well, I don't think many people expected us to sweep the White Sox.. Come back and go at'em tomorrow.

[UPRedsFan]

Have at it Servo - push back all you like

The Reds need to change their culture, that is what it is about. You can like it or not, believe it or not, but the Reds track record over the past decade doesn't lend a lot to stand on

Here's what you're missing jup. Today was not a win or go home game. The offense was flat tonight with 4 hits thru 7 innings. Tomorrow Lorenzen goes and may need lots of bullpen help. You don't burn your best relievers in the 8th inning of a game you're losing when the offense is flat. Unless it's a win or go home contest, which it isn't.

[Tom Servo]

nm

[kaldaniels]

Speaking of going for it I’d be real curious about the status of Lodolo and Greene, in that order...Greene being so raw.

Maybe you burn an option but it’s not uncommon for prospects to be promoted late in the year for reliever use.

Not saying I would. I have no information on how well they are doing.

[Mitri]

At least the Giants lost?

But yeah, win tomorrow and we're good.

[The Operator]

I have to admit I was in a world of confusion. First I thought to myself that was I confused and Galvis (Garcia!) had not been playing shortstop? Was that possible? Then I went to check that on Freddy Garcia’s! fangraphs page and I saw he was in his 40’s which really didn’t seem right. Then I realized the error of my ways...

Nothing to drink tonight even. (Yet)
I actually almost looked right past it, but I spent quite a few of my teen years wishing The Reds could somehow acquire Freddy Garcia during our pitching starved days.

The fact that he’s retired and in his 40’s makes me feel old.

[Mitri]

Have at it Servo - push back all you like

The Reds need to change their culture, that is what it is about. You can like it or not, believe it or not, but the Reds track record over the past decade doesn't lend a lot to stand on

LOL

[Coopdaddy67]

DP.

Cards win.

[The Operator]

DP.

Cards win.

Insult to injury. Prime time games are just always a bad thing for Cincinnati sports teams.

[UPRedsFan]

DP.

Cards win.

I wonder if we start watching and rooting for the Cards if they would lose more? Should we try that tomorrow?

[zigbeenuthouse]

Speaking of going for it I’d be real curious about the status of Lodolo and Greene, in that order...Greene being so raw.

Maybe you burn an option but it’s not uncommon for prospects to be promoted late in the year for reliever use.

Not saying I would. I have no information on how well they are doing.

As it turned out it would not have mattered with Stephenson as Reds never scored anyway, BUT, he's not a great option in close game. Maybe Jones?

[The Operator]

Bob Steve sporting a cool 11.00 ERA now for the year.

[kaldaniels]

As it turned out it would not have mattered with Stephenson as Reds never scored anyway, BUT, he's not a great option in close game. Maybe Jones?

I’m thinking more about tommorrow and the week (or hopefully more) ahead.

You want an endless number of bullets in the pen. Real ones. Not rubber Romano ones.

[TheBigLebowski]

Not the least bit surprised.

Meh.

[Ron Madden]

Box Score

https://www.mlb.com/gameday/white-sox-vs-reds/2020/09/19/631577#game_state=final,lock_state=final,game_tab= box,game=631577

[jup]

Here's what you're missing jup. Today was not a win or go home game. The offense was flat tonight with 4 hits thru 7 innings. Tomorrow Lorenzen goes and may need lots of bullpen help. You don't burn your best relievers in the 8th inning of a game you're losing when the offense is flat. Unless it's a win or go home contest, which it isn't.

OK - and I am not missing that. I do know baseball, and pitching in particular.

But at some point you have to focus on winning the only game you can win -TODAYS, because you are not playing tomorrows game, you only play todays. And at some point, the Reds (collectively) need to learn the urgency it takes to WIN. That missing urgencies is WHY THE OFFENSE IS FLAT.

You have the cart before the horse my man. You breed a culture of urgency first, then you win games

[Tom Servo]

Bob Steve sporting a cool 11.00 ERA now for the year.
8 HRs in 9 innings pitched. Just real bad, I think they’ve got to DFA.

[Mitri]

As it turned out it would not have mattered with Stephenson as Reds never scored anyway, BUT, he's not a great option in close game. Maybe Jones?

It will interesting to see what roster move they make once Miley is ready.

Could be Sal back to Prasco or whatever, but I wouldn't mind it if they just cut Stephenson.

[zigbeenuthouse]

Bob Steve sporting a cool 11.00 ERA now for the year.

He's giving up more jacks than that girl caught with Bob Kraft who owns the Patriots.

[kaldaniels]

OK - and I am not missing that. I do know baseball, and pitching in particular.

But at some point you have to focus on winning the only game you can win -TODAYS, because you are not playing tomorrows game, you only play todays. And at some point, the Reds (collectively) need to learn the urgency it takes to WIN. That missing urgencies is WHY THE OFFENSE IS FLAT.

You have the cart before the horse my man. You breed a culture of urgency first, then you win games

But...you can win tommorow’s game.

[Wonderful Monds]

He's giving up more jacks than that girl caught with Bob Kraft who owns the Patriots.


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[jup]

But...you can win tommorow’s game.

Not today Kal.

If you are around winning organizations you recognize how the culture is built. And you can't slip into a "tomorrow" mentality

[kaldaniels]

I get it jup that you are frustrated and you know a lot about the game.

But do you think putting say Garrett and Bradley in to hold it at 2-0 magically produces 2 runs for the offense?

Maybe that pitching choice inspires them to do so, but maybe not.

[Coopdaddy67]

OK - and I am not missing that. I do know baseball, and pitching in particular.

But at some point you have to focus on winning the only game you can win -TODAYS, because you are not playing tomorrows game, you only play todays. And at some point, the Reds (collectively) need to learn the urgency it takes to WIN. That missing urgencies is WHY THE OFFENSE IS FLAT.

You have the cart before the horse my man. You breed a culture of urgency first, then you win games

They'd won 6 in a row.

This isn't a video game where everyone's stamina resets when you play another exhibition. Today's pitching decisions impact the next 4 days.

If you're going to lose, minimize the impact of it. That's the one thing they accomplished tonight.

[kaldaniels]

8 HRs in 9 innings pitched. Just real bad, I think they’ve got to DFA.

I mean this seriously and it does go with what jup is saying.

Would a “get the hell out of here Bob Steve” inspire the guys, or deflate them as one of their own is sent packing?

[757690]

8 HRs in 9 innings pitched. Just real bad, I think they’ve got to DFA.

He’s not bad. But he’s an extreme fly ball pitcher in GAPB. He’s a bad fit for this team.

[757690]

Reds are still very much in the race. I believe they are now tied with the Brewers and Giants for the last wild card spot. I have no idea what the tie breaker is, but being tied for that spot is a decent place to be in.

[jup]

I get it jup that you are frustrated and you know a lot about the game.

But do you think putting say Garrett and Bradley in to hold it at 2-0 magically produces 2 runs for the offense?

Maybe that pitching choice inspires them to do so, but maybe not.

No one knows what will happen. But that cuts both ways.

Lets say Lorenzen walks out there and gives up a 5 spot in the 1st tomorrow - more winnable than tonight ???

You only can play one game at a time. One pitch at a time, One at bat at a time. And you have to bread a culture of intensity where there is a SOLE FOCUS on what you can control, which is the present.

Waiting for tomorrow is what got the Reds where they are today, begging for scraps rather than at the top of the heap. And you can call me a jilted Bauer fan if you like, no sweat off my back, but at some point the Reds have to look at themselves in the mirror and decide what they want to be. And that lackadaisical culture is what leaves them sitting and smiling in the dugout when they are getting their butts kicked. Or didn't you notice the smiley Votto and Suarez sitting there in the 8th

[kaldaniels]

No one knows what will happen. But that cuts both ways.

Lets say Lorenzen walks out there and gives up a 5 spot in the 1st tomorrow - more winnable than tonight ???

You only can play one game at a time. One pitch at a time, One at bat at a time. And you have to bread a culture of intensity where there is a SOLE FOCUS on what you can control, which is the present.

Waiting for tomorrow is what got the Reds where they are today, begging for scraps rather than at the top of the heap. And you can call me a jilted Bauer fan if you like, no sweat off my back, but at some point the Reds have to look at themselves in the mirror and decide what they want to be. And that lackadaisical culture is what leaves them sitting and smiling in the dugout when they are getting their butts kicked. Or didn't you notice the smiley Votto and Suarez sitting there in the 8th

Saying you can only control the present may work as a mantra or motivational technique but you have to consider the future too.

I don’t care for the dugout laughing during a loss but I don’t know what makes these guys tick.

[Coopdaddy67]

Or didn't you notice the smiley Votto and Suarez sitting there in the 8th

If you call Votto a "POS" again in the game thread tomorrow, how long is it going to take you to edit it?

[Ron Madden]

Bobby Nightengale
@nightengalejr
Trevor Bauer's postgame t-shirt: "Houston cheated." #Reds

[jup]

They'd won 6 in a row.

This isn't a video game where everyone's stamina resets when you play another exhibition. Today's pitching decisions impact the next 4 days.

If you're going to lose, minimize the impact of it. That's the one thing they accomplished tonight.

Yes, everything you say is correct and you can look at it that way, but that speaks to strategy not culture. And my point is - what it takes to bread a winning culture. Nothing more nothing less.

I'll be willing to bet you almost anything Bauer takes the ball Wed. - WHY - because he has that sense of urgency and you can see it on the mound when he pitches.

[kaldaniels]

Reds are still very much in the race. I believe they are now tied with the Brewers and Giants for the last wild card spot. I have no idea what the tie breaker is, but being tied for that spot is a decent place to be in.

If for discussion sake you hand the 2nd place spots to Miami and STL.

That still means 2 of SF, Philly, Mil, and Cincy will make it. So yeah, not a bad spot to be in. Gotta win though. And one of Mil/Cin will probably eliminate the other in a few days.

[foster15]

As it turned out it would not have mattered with Stephenson as Reds never scored anyway, BUT, he's not a great option in close game. Maybe Jones?

well, it kind of mattered. If we could've kept it withing 3 runs, the Sox might have felt they had to use their best relievers and handed us a slight advantage for tomorrow since we would've have most of ours with 3 days rest.

[kaldaniels]

More than seeing the results had the Reds been managed with a sense of urgency tonight, I’d rather see the results had the strike zone been called correctly. It went both ways and it was atrocious.

[jup]

Saying you can only control the present may work as a mantra or motivational technique but you have to consider the future too.

I don’t care for the dugout laughing during a loss but I don’t know what makes these guys tick.

You are at a disadvantage because you are not close enough to the dugout to really understand it and I realize that. So I don't denigrate your opinion because of it. But that doesn't mean I am going to back down just because someone thinks I am some jilted fan going off.

The Reds have a problem. Have had a problem. And it is going to take a real effort to change the culture to what it needs to be. And management needs to send the right messages as to what that culture needs to be. And waiting for tomorrow isn't it.

It is always amazing how things seem to work out tomorrow. The sky very rarely falls. You take care of today and expect that you have players that will step up tomorrow. And that expectation pulls them forward into being able to fill the shoes they need to fill.

[kaldaniels]

You are at a disadvantage because you are not close enough to the dugout to really understand it and I realize that. So I don't denigrate your opinion because of it. But that doesn't mean I am going to back down just because someone thinks I am some jilted fan going off.

The Reds have a problem. Have had a problem. And it is going to take a real effort to change the culture to what it needs to be. And management needs to send the right messages as to what that culture needs to be. And waiting for tomorrow isn't it.

It is always amazing how things seem to work out tomorrow. The sky very rarely falls. You take care of today and expect that you have players that will step up tomorrow. And that expectation pulls them forward into being able to fill the shoes they need to fill.

Genuine. I’m confused.

Are you saying that you are connected to the Reds “dugout” and have info that tells you there is a problem afoot? Not something you can pick up from watching them, but you are really “close to the dugout?”

[jup]

If you call Votto a "POS" again in the game thread tomorrow, how long is it going to take you to edit it?

As long as it takes for me to realize that isn't exactly what my point was.

You aren't passionate enough that you ever yell something at the TV or in the stands in the heat of the moment- feel sorry for you my man.

But if it makes you feel any better, I will make sure and add a comment about why I edited it :thumbup:

[jup]

Genuine. I’m confused.

Are you saying that you are connected to the Reds “dugout” and have info that tells you there is a problem afoot? Not something you can pick up from watching them, but you are really “close to the dugout?”

Nope not at all. But there is other ways that information associated with the dugout, clubhouse and culture surfaces Kal. And maybe you are privy to that kind of information also.

Yes it is colored by the lenses it comes through, but that is always true of information. And knowing those lenses makes it pretty easy to read biases and the like.

Love your comment about a problem afoot - the problem is the train wreck the Reds have been - doesn't take inside information to figure that one out. Just look at their record of the last few years. Cultures don't change overnight and the Reds are making progress, but sometimes it takes stepping on the gas.

[Ron Madden]

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Christopher Kamka
@ckamka

#WhiteSox games with 5+ home runs

2020: 5 in 52 games
2017-19: 5 in 485 games

[Coachforyears]

I swear David Bell must read "Coaching for Dummies" because he makes such insane decisions. Let me see....Leave the hottest hitter I have who is getting on base like crazy out of the lineup because they are starting a lefty. Of course he has hot lefty's in Japan for years and is just now finding his stroke, and we pay him $7M a year to Platoon. Next chapter, late in a game I can only warm up one reliever at a time and when the guy on the mounf gets in trouble, we have to leave him in while we get another one warmed up. Bunt to him is a type of cake.

I have never seen a team of hitters with such a lack of plate discipline and situational hitting in over 40 years. Garcia is great with his glove, but he cannot pull outside sliders, Hell he cannot even make contact with them! Someone need to tell him to try to hit everything to right as they are throwing him outside and letting him flail away.

Overall a complete joke, with the starting pitching this team has gotten, they should be up with the Cubs.

[Umkubas]

Ondrusekitis.

Ondrusek allowed a run in 50 or so appearances out of 285. He was hammered for multiple runs in 10 or so appearances.

[Patrick Bateman]

He’s not bad. But he’s an extreme fly ball pitcher in GAPB. He’s a bad fit for this team.

Lol what are you watching? These weren’t wall scrapers. The dude has a straight fastball with poor command and getting tattooed! Those jacks are going out in basically any park. He’s been absolutely pathetic.


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[mth123]

This Jose Garcia thing...I don’t get it.

I’m no Freddy Galvis superfan but come on...

Have you been watching this team play infield this year? People talk about the OF, but the IF is worse. I'd argue that Castellanos is a better RF than Galvis is a SS. People called Galvis the defensive infielder on the team because the rest of the IF was Votto, Moose/VanMeter and a very disappointing Suarez.

Garcia's play at SS has improved the team significantly IMO. I wish they had an alternative, but they really don't.

[Kc61]

Lol what are you watching? These weren’t wall scrapers. The dude has a straight fastball with poor command and getting tattooed! Those jacks are going out in basically any park. He’s been absolutely pathetic.


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Stephenson should have been converted to the pen earlier in his career. By the time Reds made the move, his fastball declined. He always threw fly balls, but now he’s heavily dependent on breaking balls.

His breaking pitches are good and normally he’s better than last night. But without a more effective fastball, it’s tough against hitters like the Chisox. They know what to expect, what to swing at, etc.

IMO Reds were too focused on every good arm becoming a starter. They were often late to make the switch. Economics, probably. I sense today with the new coaching, maybe that is changing (e.g., TJ Antone). As for Bob Steve it’s probably time for him to move on.

[mth123]

OK - and I am not missing that. I do know baseball, and pitching in particular.

But at some point you have to focus on winning the only game you can win -TODAYS, because you are not playing tomorrows game, you only play todays. And at some point, the Reds (collectively) need to learn the urgency it takes to WIN. That missing urgencies is WHY THE OFFENSE IS FLAT.

You have the cart before the horse my man. You breed a culture of urgency first, then you win games

I agree that there is a culture problem, but I think the exact opposite is true. This team has a collection of players who aren't used to winning. When there is something to play for, or when something goes wrong, they all seem to try to win the game with one swing. That's when we see guys like Jesse Winker, with a Career OPS well over .800 swinging from one knee and going 0 for 23. I agree they need a culture change, but they need cool confidence that allows them to play their game under pressure and stop all of this pressing they seem to be doing. Other than Bauer, the only guy with a little of that is Moustakas and he seems to be pressing as well. I think he'd be a better all around player if he could play 1B or move back to 3B. The rest of the roster is either kids (Garcia, Stephenson, Aquino even Senzel), guys who've been through a lot of losing here (Votto, Suarez, Winker, Barnhart) or guys who have been every day guys on losing teams elsewhere (Castellanos, Galvis).

Shogo, Casali and Goodwin are guys who don't seem to press as much and I think the team looks better when they are out there.

[757690]

Lol what are you watching? These weren’t wall scrapers. The dude has a straight fastball with poor command and getting tattooed! Those jacks are going out in basically any park. He’s been absolutely pathetic.


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He was solid last year. Last night he was terrible, but overall his xFIP is only 4.74 with a crazy 53% HR/FB rate. I am not going to judge a pitcher off of one bad inning against a team that smashes.

[Patrick Bateman]

He was solid last year. Last night he was terrible, but overall his xFIP is only 4.74 with a crazy 53% HR/FB rate. I am not going to judge a pitcher off of one bad inning against a team that smashes.

I mean ya, 53 is not sustainable, but 20 might be with his arsenal. That’s not all luck what he was throwing yesterday. XFIP is a great guide, but I don’t buy it normalizing one this case. It’s really hard to get an xfip more than like 5.50, but many guys are worse than that bc of their lack of command and spin rate.


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