College Football 2020 Part III: Bucknuts on Sand Mountain

[BuckeyeRed27]

It's great that Olave is coming back. It's going to set up the next QB really well to have 2 1st round WRs to start his career. However, I'd guess that means one or two transfers are coming. There's way too much talent in the WR room with Wilson and Olave plus 2 2020 5*s and the #1 2021 WR in addition to multiple highly ranked 4*s. I'm guessing there will be more rotation next year like we've seen in the past, but there's still not enough playing time.

I don’t think any of the top guys like Flemming will go. God willing we have a normal season this year, there is plenty of playing time and then there are 2 or maybe even 3 starting spots available in 22.
Wilson Olave JSN is the main group.
Williams Flemming Scott will rotate.
Battle for the garbage time rotation and wouldn’t shock me if Embuka gets into the two deep.

[Hillsdale87]

I don’t think any of the top guys like Flemming will go. God willing we have a normal season this year, there is plenty of playing time and then there are 2 or maybe even 3 starting spots available in 22.
Wilson Olave JSN is the main group.
Williams Flemming Scott will rotate.
Battle for the garbage time rotation and wouldn’t shock me if Embuka gets into the two deep.

It was a weird season with limited offseason. Expecting a freshman like Fleming to come in and contribute right away in a year like this is not very realistic, so it's way too early to consider him a bust. Even Wilson last year didn't get a lot of playing time until later in the year, but there were only 6 games this season. It's possible that Fleming could leave because he wants to be the #1 option, but I doubt OSU has lost faith in him.

[RedTeamGo!]

It was a weird season with limited offseason. Expecting a freshman like Fleming to come in and contribute right away in a year like this is not very realistic, so it's way too early to consider him a bust. Even Wilson last year didn't get a lot of playing time until later in the year, but there were only 6 games this season. It's possible that Fleming could leave because he wants to be the #1 option, but I doubt OSU has lost faith in him.

If Fleming wants to be the #1 option he needs to up his game. No excuses.

[Hillsdale87]

If Fleming wants to be the #1 option he needs to up his game. No excuses.

Regardless of how he plays, the odds of Fleming surpassing both Olave and Wilson, who are likely 2022 1st round picks, is very slim. You can look back at last year's Alabama team to see that Waddle and Smith, who are incredible, were playing behind Ruggs and Jeudy. I think Fleming should stay, but a guy ranked that high wants to go pro after his junior year. I'm sure he was pitched the idea that he would be replacing Olave when Olave leaves in 2021, but that didn't happen. He's not going to have quite the opportunity that he was probably expecting. I hope he stays but can't fault him if he doesn't.

[Hillsdale87]

Honestly shocked he is returning because I saw him on most mock boards going the 2nd day of the draft. I am all for college guys returning, but to be a high draft pick and in the process of a QB change definitely would appear risky from the outside.

I have actually seen him mostly at the end of the first round. I can't believe he's coming back and hope he doesn't come to regret it going into next year's draft. It's similar to Etienne last year. I don't know how much he can raise his draft stock next year. Olave a great receiver, but doesn't have the elite physical tools that would probably push him into the top of the first round. Then again, a lot of people thought the same about Devonta Smith coming into this season, so who knows.

[RedTeamGo!]

Regardless of how he plays, the odds of Fleming surpassing both Olave and Wilson, who are likely 2022 1st round picks, is very slim. You can look back at last year's Alabama team to see that Waddle and Smith, who are incredible, were playing behind Ruggs and Jeudy. I think Fleming should stay, but a guy ranked that high wants to go pro after his junior year. I'm sure he was pitched the idea that he would be replacing Olave when Olave leaves in 2021, but that didn't happen. He's not going to have quite the opportunity that he was probably expecting. I hope he stays but can't fault him if he doesn't.

I have seen no evidence to show Fleming would beat out JSN and Williams on the depth chart next year. And then he has Egbuka, Harris, and Harrison Jr coming in next year. Then the 2022 class

Frankly, if I was Fleming I would transfer. Writing is on the wall IMHO. He’s about to be passed up by about 5 WRs, unless he has some gear he hasn’t shown.

[BuckeyeRed27]

I have seen no evidence to show Fleming would beat out JSN and Williams on the depth chart next year. And then he has Egbuka, Harris, and Harrison Jr coming in next year. Then the 2022 class

Frankly, if I was Fleming I would transfer. Writing is on the wall IMHO. He’s about to be passed up by about 5 WRs, unless he has some gear he hasn’t shown.

Haha what did Flemming do to hurt you?

[RedTeamGo!]

Haha what did Flemming do to hurt you?

Nothing?

Just calling it like I see it.

[bucksfan2]

Nothing?

Just calling it like I see it.

What did you see?

Fleming may leave, anyone may leave, but I don't see it right now.

Fleming came from a run first offense in HS, he wasn't a refined WR like JSN was coming out of school. He had no spring, had a disjointed season, and now all of a sudden isn't any good.

IMO the rotation next year will be Olave, Wilson, JSN and then Williams, Fleming, Scott. But also take into consideration a 12 game schedule where there will be time to go around for most of the WR's. The only freshman I can see really working into the rotation is Ebuka.

I am excited for Olave to come back, he has been my favorite Buckeye in years, and I get to watch another season of him play.

[RedTeamGo!]

What did you see?

Fleming may leave, anyone may leave, but I don't see it right now.

Fleming came from a run first offense in HS, he wasn't a refined WR like JSN was coming out of school. He had no spring, had a disjointed season, and now all of a sudden isn't any good.

IMO the rotation next year will be Olave, Wilson, JSN and then Williams, Fleming, Scott. But also take into consideration a 12 game schedule where there will be time to go around for most of the WR's. The only freshman I can see really working into the rotation is Ebuka.

I am excited for Olave to come back, he has been my favorite Buckeye in years, and I get to watch another season of him play.

That’s literally what I said: he’s at best 5th on the depth chart. If he wants to be WR1 next year (or ever) his best bet is transferring

[BuckeyeRed27]

That’s literally what I said: he’s at best 5th on the depth chart. If he wants to be WR1 next year (or ever) his best bet is transferring

He has a very good chance to be WR1 at OSU in 22. He will play a lot next year.

[RedTeamGo!]

He has a very good chance to be WR1 at OSU in 22. He will play a lot next year.

Like I said earlier, he’s going to have to show a major uptick in quality over the next 8 months for that to happen. As of today he has 4 players in front of him. A couple absolute studs are showing up on campus next week.

[Hillsdale87]

Like I said earlier, he’s going to have to show a major uptick in quality over the next 8 months for that to happen. As of today he has 4 players in front of him. A couple absolute studs are showing up on campus next week.

He had half of the receiving yards against NW. He had more receiving yards than JSN this year. I don't know how they're going to feed everybody next year, but I think he'll be fine if he stays.

[bucksfan2]

That’s literally what I said: he’s at best 5th on the depth chart. If he wants to be WR1 next year (or ever) his best bet is transferring

I would put him at WR4 right now, which is something when you consider WR1 and WR2 are first round picks.

JSN will go into the season ahead of Fleming next season, but it wouldn't shock me if Fleming is WR3 by the end of the year, and WR1 going into 2022.

[BuckeyeRed27]

I would put him at WR4 right now, which is something when you consider WR1 and WR2 are first round picks.

JSN will go into the season ahead of Fleming next season, but it wouldn't shock me if Fleming is WR3 by the end of the year, and WR1 going into 2022.

They also play different spots. Flemming is in the Olave role and JSN is in the Wilson role, although I think he might take over the Williams role next season.

[jwdoc77]

He came for a HS that ran a Wing-T as their primary offense. JSN was always seen as a more polished receiver coming in when compared to Fleming even though Fleming was rated higher. I think given that Fleming was thought to going to take more time to get on the field than JSN, in a season with no spring ball, Fleming saw the field quite a bit this year. Im sure the Bucks are still high on him and I think you are going to see less 2 tight end sets and more receivers on the field next year. Think more 2018 spreading the ball around to 6 different guys vs 2019 and 2020. My guess is most of these guys stick it out for awhile.