2021 Jacksonville Jaguars - Time for some "Urban" renewal

[JaxRed]

The 2020 season has mercifully ended. With 15 straight losses, and the first pick in every round except the 6th which we traded. Everything will change from this point forward.

The GM Dave Caldwell was let go several weeks ago. The Head Coach Dough Marrone is also expected to be fired. He is meeting with Shad Khan on Black Monday so don't expect any news tonight. Marrone said we he asked Shad about the rumors that Urban Meyer was the next coach and Shad said that was news to him. So maybe that's all smoke.

Jags have already interviewed several GM candidates, and we'll know within 24 hours about plans to interview coaching candidates. Besides the first pick, the Jags also have an extra first and an extra second, and the most cap space in the NFL>

Barring something wildly unforeseen, the Jags will draft Trevor Lawrence next April to be the face of this franchise.

[Rojo Rijo]

A lot of smoke around Urban. I’ve seen more than a few sources claiming it’s a done deal. It wouldn’t surprise me. We’re loaded in terms of picks and cap space and Meyer has called Lawrence “the best QB ever”. Some have said Meyer is interested in Jacksonville because he wants Lawrence.

[Assembly Hall]

The 2020 season has mercifully ended. With 15 straight losses, and the first pick in every round except the 6th which we traded. Everything will change from this point forward.

The GM Dave Caldwell was let go several weeks ago. The Head Coach Dough Marrone is also expected to be fired. He is meeting with Shad Khan on Black Monday so don't expect any news tonight. Marrone said we he asked Shad about the rumors that Urban Meyer was the next coach and Shad said that was news to him. So maybe that's all smoke.

Jags have already interviewed several GM candidates, and we'll know within 24 hours about plans to interview coaching candidates. Besides the first pick, the Jags also have an extra first and an extra second, and the most cap space in the NFL>

Barring something wildly unforeseen, the Jags will draft Trevor Lawrence next April to be the face of this franchise.

I will say one thing about your Jags today...they played with heart.

[JaxRed]

The players like Marrone and never quit on him. It's just time for a change. A clean sweep.

[JaxRed]

Adam Shefter reporting that the Jags have fired Marrone.

[JaxRed]

Shad Khan practically never meets with media. One reporter noted she's been here 28 months and todays is second time. There's interesting info coming out of press conference (zoom).

He has not spoken to Urban Meyer. Makes me think Urban's side is promoting this talk.
He is the one making GM and HC decisions.
He intends to hire them at same time, and have them both report to him. So the GM doesn't hire the coach, and the coach doesn't hire GM. They will both know who the other guy is. This might limit who wants the job(s).
As for now, he has roster making control as he has since Coughlin has been fired. This is a little bit scary.

[RiverRat13]

Shad Khan practically never meets with media. One reporter noted she's been here 28 months and todays is second time. There's interesting info coming out of press conference (zoom).

He has not spoken to Urban Meyer. Makes me think Urban's side is promoting this talk.
He is the one making GM and HC decisions.
He intends to hire them at same time, and have them both report to him. So the GM doesn't hire the coach, and the coach doesn't hire GM. They will both know who the other guy is. This might limit who wants the job(s).
As for now, he has roster making control as he has since Coughlin has been fired. This is a little bit scary.

Yikes.

[RiverRat13]

There's a private plane from CMH to Jacksonville in the air as we speak...

[JaxRed]

There's a private plane from CMH to Jacksonville in the air as we speak...

It was just a small prop plane. Urban doesn't do propellers.

There's talk he wants 12 million a year. That leaves a bad taste in my mouth. It's like he has to be convinced to take the job.

[KronoRed]

Wonder if the money demand isn't really a demand for more control then Khan will give him.

[Rojo Rijo]

Rapoport is reporting the $12 million number is not relevant and is false.

[JaxRed]

Trevor Lawrence declares for the Jacksonville Jaguars. I mean the NFL Draft.

[membengal]

Hey jax - popping in to congratulate you on this. Feels good, I know.

[JaxRed]

Thanks. We finally have a real chance to turn things around. We haven't really had a franchise QB since Mark Brunell. We'll have a new (hopefully franchise) QB, a new coach, a new GM, lots of draft picks and more cap space than any other team. And despite our record there are some good young pieces on the team.

If you can't turn that into a winning team in 2 years, something's wrong.

[Rojo Rijo]

Gotta give the team credit. Was expecting more of a long term problem from this fallout but they did everything they needed to do. They flipped the roster and moved a lot of $$$ with Ramsey, Fowler, Calais, Yannick, Bouye, Marcell, Fournette, Foles, Malik, Gipson etc. and turned it into two 1sts, a 2nd, a 3rd, two 4ths, two 5ths, and a conditional 5th. Then they did exactly what they needed to do and secured the #1 overall pick in a year where there is a unicorn QB in the draft. Being able to have everything come together at the same time with the draft, the cap, head coach, and GM well, hats off to the organization.

[JaxRed]

They have 2 seconds.

Now we just gotta hope Khan gets good people. I'm a little concerned that he won't get strong GM because of his insistence on final say. He got burned badly by Coughlin.

[Rojo Rijo]

They have 2 seconds.

Now we just gotta hope Khan gets good people. I'm a little concerned that he won't get strong GM because of his insistence on final say. He got burned badly by Coughlin.

5 picks in the first 65. Could really put together something nice if they make good choices. Mocks I've been seeing show something like QB Lawrence, S Cicsco, LB Moses, CB Jobe, and DT Wilson

[Rojo Rijo]

Meeting with Urban Meyer today.

[JaxRed]

I'm a little nervous about Urban (and I'm huge Buckeye fan), but there's little doubt he'd be the splashiest HC hire of the season.

[Rojo Rijo]

Yeah as a Gator fan I’m with you on that.

[adkindo]

reports are Meyer has began to contact people and assemble a staff....

[JaxRed]

reports are Meyer has began to contact people and assemble a staff....

Can't be true. I haven't gotten a call yet,

[adkindo]

Can't be true. I haven't gotten a call yet,

I think it is pretty clear he is coming to the NFL, and reports are this morning that the Chargers are interested. I suspect that is more about leverage in his deal with the team in DUUuuval County.

[JaxRed]

Jags Interviews

Head Coach
Eric Bienemy
Urban Meyer
Arthur Smith
Raheem Morris
Robert Saleh

General Manager
Terry Fontenot
Ray Famer
Jerry Reese
Louis Riddick
Rick Smith

If I missed someone let me know

[adkindo]

Raheem Morris


Has anyone else noticed that Raheem Morris is getting a lot of credit for the Falcons looking better since he took over as Interim Head Coach....but it feels like a lot of the improvement has came on defense. Since Morris was the DC before getting promoted, isn't fair to wonder if the improvement is partially because Morris is not longer over the defense?

[JaxRed]

Morris ended up losing 5 in a row and 6 of last 7. If the team he coached doesn't want him, I'm not that interested.

[Rojo Rijo]

Surprised we didn’t interview Joe Brady

[Kingspoint]

Morris ended up losing 5 in a row and 6 of last 7. If the team he coached doesn't want him, I'm not that interested.

They looked much better.

[JaxRed]

Then Atlanta should keep him.

[RiverRat13]

If Urban takes the job it will be interesting to see who he hires as his OC. He spent all of 2018 crying that Dwayne Haskins couldn't run the ball, so he will obviously have to change his offensive philosophy to fit the reality of the NFL. But I think he will be a success in Jacksonville if he takes the job.

[jimbo]

As a Buckeyes fan I love Urban Meyer and appreciate everything he did at Ohio State, but twice he's left his HC position for health and family reasons, yet here he is now considering an NFL job. Each job being probably more stressful than the one he left. The guy has a good gig, owns restaurants, pretty much has it made. Why do this? It makes him seem disingenuous.

[redsfanmia]

As a Buckeyes fan I love Urban Meyer and appreciate everything he did at Ohio State, but twice he's left his HC position for health and family reasons, yet here he is now considering an NFL job. Each job being probably more stressful than the one he left. The guy has a good gig, owns restaurants, pretty much has it made. Why do this? It makes him seem disingenuous.
Ego

[RiverRat13]

As a Buckeyes fan I love Urban Meyer and appreciate everything he did at Ohio State, but twice he's left his HC position for health and family reasons, yet here he is now considering an NFL job. Each job being probably more stressful than the one he left. The guy has a good gig, owns restaurants, pretty much has it made. Why do this? It makes him seem disingenuous.I think he'd still be coaching OSU had the Zack Smith situation not gone down.

[KronoRed]

As a Buckeyes fan I love Urban Meyer and appreciate everything he did at Ohio State, but twice he's left his HC position for health and family reasons, yet here he is now considering an NFL job. Each job being probably more stressful than the one he left. The guy has a good gig, owns restaurants, pretty much has it made. Why do this? It makes him seem disingenuous.

Because he is, Florida fans knew this 9 years ago.

Still interested in what he could do in the NFL...for 6-7 years ;)

[JaxRed]

Local Sports guy did approval poll on various coaching candidates

Urban 76% - 24%
Bienemy - 77% - 23%
Saleh - 46% - 54%
Morris - 9% - 91%
Smith - 24%- 76%

[adkindo]

Local Sports guy did approval poll on various coaching candidates

Urban 76% - 24%
Bienemy - 77% - 23%
Saleh - 46% - 54%
Morris - 9% - 91%
Smith - 24%- 76%

bet 23% are Gator fans that are still angry

[adkindo]

Because he is, Florida fans knew this 9 years ago.

Still interested in what he could do in the NFL...for 6-7 years ;)

I think once Urban does have an illness in which the symptoms are once he gets tired of a job or no longer enjoys it, he begins to get headaches and overall feeling like crap. He is just unaware that most of us suffer from this same illness.

[Rojo Rijo]

bet 23% are Gator fans that are still angry

Not angry, concerned.

[JaxRed]

Pro Football Talk indicates the job is his and Jags have shutdown coach interviews pending his decision. If I was Shad I'd give him 48 hours and then move on. PFT also said rumors were that he would keep Trent Balke on as GM. That sucks on 2 levels for me.

1. I want 100% clean sweep and Balke is acting GM left over from prior regime.
2. Every indication I've seen says the Balke is not a good GM.

One guy on Twitter (not a blue check mark. Just some guy) indicated a name from Meyer's college days as GM. The interesting part of that is that my daughter is friends with that guys wife. I could see myself getting an luxury box invite some day !!!

[oregonred]

With Saban cemented as College FB GOAT and him seemingly invisible to any stress and burn out issues...

Urban achieving success in the NFL after Saban's disgraceful exit from Miami in 2008 would be something to set him apart

I think only USC and maybe Texas would have been the two best college fits for Urban (assuming he would never go to B1G or SEC to impact his OSU and UF ties)

Also NFL and big time college offenses have merged and with college portal free agency, could make the NFL more attractive

[RiverRat13]

With Saban cemented as College FB GOAT and him seemingly invisible to any stress and burn out issues...

Urban achieving success in the NFL after Saban's disgraceful exit from Miami in 2008 would be something to set him apart

I agree that this is a big motivating factor.

[oregonred]

He seems to be going. Either to Jacksonville or the Chargers

[Rojo Rijo]

People are taking, saying look for Urban announcement today or tomorrow

[Rojo Rijo]

Now a lot of media saying a deal is being finalized. Schefter reporting the two sides met again yesterday.

[adkindo]

Now a lot of media saying a deal is being finalized. Schefter reporting the two sides met again yesterday.

I think it is a lock....I expect an announcement today or early morning tomorrow. I doubt they would risk announcing after noon on a Friday if they are trying to get the biggest bang for their buck.

[Rojo Rijo]

Just announced. No details yet but the agreement is there.

[oregonred]

Looks like a done deal. I think it is a really good fit but history says he will only be there 5-7 years max. The loaded AFC just got even tougher

WIll be very curious to see his coaching staff

[RiverRat13]

Looks like a done deal. I think it is a really good fit but history says he will only be there 5-7 years max. The loaded AFC just got even tougher

WIll be very curious to see his coaching staff

I read Urban is looking for former NFL head coaches to be his coordinators. I'd imagine his staff will have as much NFL experience as possible. He may take Pantoni with him as that is his right hand guy, but I don't see too many OSU assistants following. He was known as an offensive innovator in college but he can't run Lawrence like he did his college QBs. His NFL coaching will be all about his culture building and CEO skills. I'll be rooting for him and hope he loses to the Bengals in the AFC Championship each year.

[BuckeyeRed27]

I just can’t believe that Trevor Lawrence is going to have to back up Tebow for the next 2 years.

[oregonred]

I just can’t believe that Trevor Lawrence is going to have to back up Tebow for the next 2 years.

Then JT Barrett for the next three...

I think Urban gets it after watching Justin Fields and the creative and wide open offensive machines that Clemson/Bama/OSU and Oklahoma have become

[RiverRat13]

I'd expect Jacksonville to be players in free agency.

[oregonred]

For sure, Meyer is a people person and who wouldn't want to play for him as he builds a culture. I can listen to Meyer analyze football all day long, he's the best football analyst I've ever seen on national TV

His issue will be to avoid favorites in choosing players and coaches - needing to be very selective in FA as NFL cap constraints maginfy any mistakes (while missing on some 5 stars developing at OSU/UF was just next man up). The only thing holding him back at OSU from another 2-3 National Titles was loyalty to JT Barrett and some questionable OC (and DC coaching hires post Fickell). Oh and that Saban guy at Bama

[redsfanmia]

I'd expect Jacksonville to be players in free agency.

I expect the Jags roster to be littered with character issue guys.

[JaxRed]

I hope he's past the bad character guys

[JaxRed]

Guy with good reputation for scoops just posted pix of Urban getting off private jet at Cecil Field (Rojo Rijo knows where that is) in Jax, stepping onto Jags welcome nat.

[JaxRed]

Jags just made it official. Urban Meyer is the new head coach!!

[Assembly Hall]

Jags just made it official. Urban Meyer is the new head coach!!

Congrats and I look forward to kicking your arsz twice this coming season!

[JaxRed]

Congrats and I look forward to kicking your arsz twice this coming season!

You couldn't even beat us twice this year !!

[KronoRed]

This should be interesting, definitely increased my interest in the Jags next year.

[JaxRed]

Hoping there is a press conference today. A lot of the guys like Rapaport are saying that much of the deliberations with Shad were over facilities. That Urban wants big time facilities upgrades. Like a new practice facility like Dallas and a few other facilities have. And other upgrades.

[oregonred]

I agree, urban is there to jumpstart ticket sales and upgrade the stalled facilities negotiations

If Khan wanted to move the team he wouldn't have hired a high profile, rock star coach. Or if they can't make it work in Jacksonville with Meyer it makes his choice(s) down the road on staying or leaving Jax more transparent

[JaxRed]

There's a lot of smoke around Charlie Strong as Linebackers coach (and Asst Head Coach). And then talk of either Joe Cullen or Raheem Morris as Defensive Coordinator. Right off the bat, Morris is a more exciting name as DC. He seems more worthy of a Asst Head Coach title than Charlie.

I'm guessing if Charlie gets the Asst HC title, that's to lessen the blow that he would be coming in as a position coach and not a DC.

Saw where Wade Philipps announced he was available, but there's been no buzz in that direction.

[Kingspoint]

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[JaxRed]

In their press conference announcing Urban, Shad said he came to the realization 15 months or so ago (this coincided with the time frame for firing Coughlin) that the team had to have a coach-centric approach. The GM centric approach and the Executive centric approach and both had failed. So this was going to be a New England type situation. No one doubts that Bill Belechik is really in charge.

So, it come as no great surprise that we did not hire an all star General Manager. None of the All Stars would want to be a puppet for Urban. So the Jags promoted Interim GM Trent Baalke to permanent. An underwhelming choice.

I was also a little disappointed that the resident capologist was not kept. John Idzik. I thought he had done a good job.

[Rojo Rijo]

In their press conference announcing Urban, Shad said he came to the realization 15 months or so ago (this coincided with the time frame for firing Coughlin) that the team had to have a coach-centric approach. The GM centric approach and the Executive centric approach and both had failed. So this was going to be a New England type situation. No one doubts that Bill Belechik is really in charge.

So, it come as no great surprise that we did not hire an all star General Manager. None of the All Stars would want to be a puppet for Urban. So the Jags promoted Interim GM Trent Baalke to permanent. An underwhelming choice.

I was also a little disappointed that the resident capologist was not kept. John Idzik. I thought he had done a good job.

Idzik was a cap wizard. He was ahead of the curve with front loading multi year FA contracts.

[Kingspoint]

Love the Bob Sutton hire.

Dislike very much the Schottenheimer hire. With 5 teams in 10 seasons, the leash on Schottenheimer should be very short.

[KronoRed]

Wow..Brian Schottenheimer?? that's a bad move Urbs.

[Rojo Rijo]

Lawrence looked great today

[Chip R]

The newly hired Chris Doyle has resigned.

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/30890476/jacksonville-jaguars-director-sports-performance-chris-doyle-resigns-amid-backlash

[KronoRed]

That was inevitable.

Still don't understand why Urban made up coaching with him at Utah, that's just bizarre.

[JaxRed]

So here's the Jags final(?) coaching staff. There are a LOT of cooks in the kitchen,

HC - Urban Meyers
Asst Head Coach - Charlie Strong - Previous HC at UofL, Texas, USF

Offensive Coordinator - Darrel Bevell - Previous OC with Lions, Vikings, Seahawks. Interim Lions HC
Passing Game Coordinator - Brian Schottenheimer - Previous OC with Seahwaks, Jets, Rams and UGA.
Tight Ends Coach - Tyler Bowen
Offensive Line Coach - George Warhop (returning)
Wide Receivers Coach - Sanjay Lil - 7th !! WR Coaching position in NFL
RB Coach - Bernie Parmalee - 4th RB coaching position in NFL
Offensive Asst Coach - Will Harriger
Offensive Line Asst Coach - Todd Washington
Offensive QC Coach - Quinton Gather

Defensive Coordinator - Joe Cullen - 1st DC gig. 4 Previous stints in NFL as DLine Coach
Senior Defensive Asst - Bob Sutton - Previous DC with Jets and Chiefs. Previous HC at West Point.
Defensive Line Coach - Tosh Lupoi
Asst Def Line Coach - Sterling Lucas
Outside Linebackers Coach - Zach Orr
Inside Linebacker Coach - Charlie Strong
Asst Linebackers Coach - Tony Gilbert (returning)
Defensive Backs Coach (Safties) - Chris Ash - Former Rutgers HC
Defensive Backs Coach (Nickel) - Joe Danno (returning)
Defensive Backs Coach (Corner) - Tim Walton (returning)
Defensive Quality Control - Patrick Reilly

Special Teams Coordinator - Brian Schneider - 11 years STC with Seahawks
Special Teams Asst - Carlos Polk

Strength Coach - Anthony Schlegel
Asst Strength Coaches - Brandon Ireland, Adam Potts, Cedric Scott (returnig)

[JaxRed]

Some notes/thoughts;

Urban says he is not calling plays.
He's referred the offense as 'his' offense a few times, meaning Bevell is implementing Urban's offense not Bevell's offense.
Urban has stated several times how much he likes Ravens defense.
Austen Lane says even though Jags have not committed to a 3-4 defense, hiring Inside and Outside Linebackers coaches means they plan to use 3-4 a lot.

[JaxRed]

Shad Khan appears to be a man who hates teal. Pre-Coughlin, Shad was doing everything he could to turn the Jags into a 'Yellow/Gold' team instead of a teal team. Remember our Gold helmets? Remember our mustard (puke yellow) color rush uniforms? They were about the ugliest uniform I had ever seen that didn't have Bumble Bee stripes (I'm looking at you Pittsburg). I think Shad's logic was 'Jaguars are yellow, not teal.'

So three years ago, Coughlin apparently convinced him to drop the yellow thing. But they could only go so far. Teal was the alternate color and about 13 times a year we play in some combo of black/white.

Well our national errr, North Florida Nightmare is over. Jaguars twitter has been tweeting out weird tweets the last couple days. When you take the first letter of each tweet they appear to be spelling out in reverse order........

__ __ __ L IS OUR PRIMARY COLOR


I know teams can only change uniforms every so often, so I don't know if this is that year for Jags, but they really need a good uniform. They haven't had one in a long time. Some thing always looks a tad off.

[Kingspoint]

Extremely in-depth JAX off-season team needs:


https://www.nbcsports.com/edge/article/offseason-team-previews/2021-jaguars-offseason-preview

[JaxRed]

To recap the earlier post, the Jags are indeed back to Teal as primary. The announced in a tweet that they would go primary if the Jags tweet got 21,000 retweets. Very first post was some idiot saying they don't even have 21,00 fans.

Along the way, the post also got some love from other teams. One from a Chargers fan web site, posted something like 'Don't care about the Jags, not a fan of the Jags. But I know this about the Jags.... they should be Teal. C'mon Charger nation, push them over the top"

[JaxRed]

Some non-blue checkmarks on Twitter are saying Jags are talking to Ravens about Orlando Brown as LT.

[kaldaniels]

To recap the earlier post, the Jags are indeed back to Teal as primary. The announced in a tweet that they would go primary if the Jags tweet got 21,000 retweets. Very first post was some idiot saying they don't even have 21,00 fans.

Along the way, the post also got some love from other teams. One from a Chargers fan web site, posted something like 'Don't care about the Jags, not a fan of the Jags. But I know this about the Jags.... they should be Teal. C'mon Charger nation, push them over the top"

As a Browns fan who has been through more than one “uniform change” off-season discussion I (seriously) hope Urban and Trevor give you better things to worry about/celebrate from now on.

[JaxRed]

You guys finally got it right uniform wise. All the previous versions just looked off bit.

[JaxRed]

Been pretty quiet on Jags personnel front. Talk that they are going to release Tyler Eifert but hasn't happened yet. In an interview, Urban Meyer said he recruiting free agents was like recruiting colleg kids. Along those lines they have started preliminary discussions about a new practice facility.

[JaxRed]

Missed this... apparently a lot of talk that Jags want to cut the salary associated with LG Andrew Norwell. He is pretty expensive. 15 million cap hit this year, and 16 million next year. I think they like Norwell, but think they can find a capable replacement at less dollars.

He's most expensive player on roster.

Anyway, it seems he is not agreeing to the cut, so Jags will trade or release him. And given the current market, release seems more lkely.

[Kingspoint]

Missed this... apparently a lot of talk that Jags want to cut the salary associated with LG Andrew Norwell. He is pretty expensive. 15 million cap hit this year, and 16 million next year. I think they like Norwell, but think they can find a capable replacement at less dollars.

He's most expensive player on roster.

Anyway, it seems he is not agreeing to the cut, so Jags will trade or release him. And given the current market, release seems more lkely.

Norwell didn't earn the contract. Too much missed time and not a Top-5 Guard during the time he played. Automatic cut. Move on.

[JaxRed]

Urban had press conference today. Lots of news. I'll review it.

But he announced the Jags would franchise LT Cam Robinson and sure enough they did.

[Kingspoint]

Urban had press conference today. Lots of news. I'll review it.

But he announced the Jags would franchise LT Cam Robinson and sure enough they did.
NBC Sports' comments:

Robinson was expected to be available in free agency this spring. He'll stay in Jacksonville, where he'll likely block for Trevor Lawrence in 2021. In 2020, Robinson was one of the NFL's worst pass blocking tackles, ranking 42nd out of 59 qualifying tackles, per Pro Football Focus. Jacksonville had PFF's 19th ranked pass blocking offensive line in 2020, but it would have been a whole lot better without Robinson. Not a good start to player personnel decisions by the Meyer Trust.

SOURCE: Ian Rapoport on Twitter

[JaxRed]

Urban had a 22 minute news conference.

https://twitter.com/Jaguars/status/1369333173058961422

Pretty good stuff. Radio guys were impressed about how open he was. Really praised interior OL and in particular Norwell and wants Norwell to be here for years. Now maybe behind the scenes they are saying 'at a reduced price'. Said both tackles are young and they expect improvement. And that this wasn't going to be a good year to get a LT in free agency. They do want to sign Cam to a longer term deal.

Mentioned Tight ends and defensive backfield and defensive line as areas of need. Say they love CJ Henderson.

[Kingspoint]

From NBC Sports w/ NBC Sports' comments:

Sports Illustrated's John Shipley notes the Jaguars have not been awarded a compensatory pick for the 11th consecutive season. Just wild. Compensatory picks are awarded to teams from a private formula based on free agency gains and losses (and now coaching hires). It's a decent barometer of which teams have been savvy and which teams haven't as the process isn't the easiest to crack. Jacksonville not picking a single one up in over a decade is embarrassing, but there are reasons for hope with Urban Meyer, Trevor Lawrence, and a bunch of capital coming to town.

SOURCE: John Shipley on Twitter

[JaxRed]

GM Baalke held a 15 minute press conference yesterday. Certainly not as forthcoming as Urban.

https://twitter.com/Jaguars/status/1369694415128825863

[JaxRed]

Jags and local media really promoted the video series The Hunt. Said they had unparalleled access. I thought Episode 1 was a nice hype video but that was about it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5bvz6b8WGXo

[JaxRed]

Norwell is indeed staying. He did take a bit of a pay cut. He had 2 years at 15 million each left on his deal. Now he has a one year deal for 12 million. 9 million guaranteed.

[Rojo Rijo]

FA list so far...

Shaq Griffin - CB - 3 years, 45 million, 29 million guaranteed
Jihad Ward - DE - Terms unknown
Chris Manhertz - TE - 2 years, 7.25 million
Sidney Jones - CB - Terms unknown - Re-sign
Carlos Hyde - RB - 2 years, 6 million
Rayshawn Jenkins - S - 4 years, 35 million
Phillip Dorsett - WR - Terms unknown
Dawuane Smoot - DE - 2 years, 14 million - Re-sign
Jamal Agnew - KR/WR - 3 years, max out at 21 million
Roy Robertson Harris - DT - 3 years, 24.4 million, 14 million guaranteed
Tre Herndon - CB - Terms unknown - Re-sign
Rudy Ford - S - 2 years, 4.2 million
Tyson Alualu - DT - 2 years, 6 million
Marvin Jones Jr. - WR - 2 years, 14.5 million, 9.2 guaranteed

Trades
Malcom Brown - DT - 2 years, 11 million, 8 million guaranteed. *Terms of trade unknown but certainly a day 3 pick.

[JaxRed]

I feel a little better now than I did last night. Griffin fills our CB need. Robertson-Harris fills an edge on a 3-4. Alualu helps fill the middle along with Davon Hamilton. I'm assuming Jenkins is a regular at Safety. (don't know which kind of safety he is)

We kept some guys. (We haven't lost much)

Next to nothing on offense. Hyde and Dorsett do nothing for me.

[WrongVerb]

Jacksonville Seahawks?

[Rojo Rijo]

I feel a little better now than I did last night. Griffin fills our CB need. Robertson-Harris fills an edge on a 3-4. Alualu helps fill the middle along with Davon Hamilton. I'm assuming Jenkins is a regular at Safety. (don't know which kind of safety he is)

We kept some guys. (We haven't lost much)

Next to nothing on offense. Hyde and Dorsett do nothing for me.

Still feel we’ll sign one playmaker, probably Curtis Samuel, though I’m holding out hope for Golladay.

[JaxRed]

Well you were right we picked up Marvin Jones from Lions. Also got Alualu back and Malcolm Brown. Jags did a lot to solidify the d-line.

Edit

At 4 PM Jags cut a bunch of guys

CB Quenton Meeks
CB Rashaan Melvin
P Cameron Nizialek
CB Josh Nurse
RB Craig Reynolds
DT Dontavius Russell
DT Al Woods
DT Gabe Wright

[JaxRed]

A lot of guys became Free Agent. Some big names (around here) Rosas (for some unknown reason) and O'Shaughnessy immediately resigned with Jags. The Mike Glennon era is over.

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JACKSONVILLE – Keelan Cole officially became a free agent Wednesday. So did Abry Jones.

They weren't alone, with 15 other Jaguars players becoming unrestricted free agents when the 2021 NFL League Year officially began Wednesday at 4 p.m.

Jones was the most-tenured player on the Jaguars' roster last season while Cole, who originally signed with the Jaguars as a collegiate free agent shortly after the 2017 NFL Draft, was among three veteran Jaguars receivers becoming free agents Wednesday.

Wide receiver Chris Conley and Dede Westbrook also became free agents, as did tight end Tyler Eifert – the latter of whom became a free agent when the Jaguars opted to not pick up the option on his contract for 2021.

Like the other players who became free agents, Eifert is now free to sign with another team.

The Jaguars players who became free agents Wednesday at 4 p.m.:

Cole, Conley, Eifert, quarterback Mike Glennon, defensive end Adam Gotsis, cornerback D.J. Hayden, safety Josh Jones, defensive tackle Abry Jones, defensive end/linebacker Aaron Lynch, cornerback Greg Mabin, tight end James O'Shaughnessy, defensive tackle Caraun Reid, kicker Aldrick Rosas, defensive tackle Daniel Ross, tight end Eric Saubert, running back Chris Thompson and Westbrook.

The players becoming free agents started a combined 72 games for the Jaguars this past season, with Glennon starting five games. Gotsis, Jones and O'Shaughnessy each started 13 games.

[JaxRed]

Ian Rapoport says Jags getting calls on Minshew

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One QB to monitor: The #Jaguars have received a few calls from teams inquiring about QB Gardner Minshew, source said. The Jax QB room is in flux, and we’ll see where this one goes.

[Rojo Rijo]

Figured the Chris Thompson experiment was over, that was all about Jay Gruden.

Somewhat surprised by Dede but I guess his time in Jax has run its course. Always hoped he'd take that next step and become a top slot guy. If he ends up in the right place he could do well.

[JaxRed]

Keelan Cole signs 1 year 5 million dollar deal with Jets

[JaxRed]

Cam Robinson (wisely) signed his franchise tag offer.

[JaxRed]

Thought I had posted about Jags getting CJ Beatherd. He looks to be the backup QB assuming Minshew ends up elsewhere. Urban says Jags talked a lot about Alex Smith but apparently Jags doctor shot him down.

[Rojo Rijo]

So Tim Tebow has been working out as a TE and is potentially going to join the Jaguars. He’s worked out with Jacksonvilles TE coach.

[JaxRed]

Well, the Jags went all Clemson in Round 1 taking Trevor Lawrence as expected and then RB Travis Etienne. Urban talked over and over about adding speed. Etienne brings that in spades. Jags #1 on the clock again.

[JaxRed]

Post Day 1 Press Conference with Jags on the clock, Trent Baalke says

'We have 3 or 4 guys with first-round grades still sitting there going into tomorrow”

JaxRed says - trade back a few spots.

[JaxRed]

So far I hate the Jags draft. We picked a 3rd down RB, a backup corner and a backup OL.

[JaxRed]

And now someone took TE Friermuth about 6 picks before the Jags could take him.

[JaxRed]

Alternate view from Chris Simms

Andre Cisco was my #1 safety in this draft. Speed jumps out on film, and great hips give him +++ range.
@Jaguars
secondary stacked with young talent. They are killing this draft.

[JaxRed]

So far I hate the Jags draft. We picked a 3rd down RB, a backup corner and a backup OL.

I feel better after hearing some analysis. I guess you need more than 2 corners a majority of the time and a lot of people really like this guy. Also the Offensive lineman hasn't played in 2 years does to 1) ACL and 2) Covid opt out, but was considered to be a top talent prior to his injury. He's really good size. And now gives up options at either LT or RT going forward. He could be our lockdown LT of the future.

[oregonred]

Yeah, it has been a bit of an odd draft for Urban & Company since Trevor

[Rojo Rijo]

Overall i'm happy with the draft, though I think that was going to be the case regardless of what happened after we got our guy at #1. Surprisingly this is the first time Jacksonville has ever had the #1 overall pick.

1st (#1) - Trevor Lawrence QB - Clemson - Nothing to be said, just hope that he reaches his potential. In a league where nothing is a sure thing coming from college he's about as close as it comes for a QB. Jacksonville doesnt have a great history of drafting franchise QBs with 1st round picks, the only three in franchise history being Byron Leftwich (7th), Blaine Gabbert (10th), and Blake Bortles (3rd). Those 3 combined for a record of 53-91 and a playoff record of 2-2, with 3 of those games coming in 2017. Needless to say i'm super excited. I remember watching Lawrence as a freshman thinking how incredible it would be to land him but figured enough teams would be looking for a QB/tanking that the chances we could get him wouldnt be very high. Well here we are.

1st (#25) - Travis Etienne RB - Clemson - Really surprised by this pick, though I get it. Meyer thrives on high character guys. I figured the pick would be Moehrig but getting Cisco later and hearing some tab him as the top safety makes me understand why he wasnt picked here. Barmore made sense until reports started coming out about why he fell. I still feel like RB and Etienne was an overreach. Things have come out that show it was clear they wanted Toney, who went to the Giants at #20. Meyer wanted a weapon, one who can run, catch, and be used to do a bit of everything. Meyer has said Etienne will be "dual trained" so I expect him to be on the field often, in some packages with James Robinson. I like Etienne a lot. He's not as well rounded as Harris appears to be but Etienne runs violently, was used a ton in the passing game and has good hands, and he's got great balance. Some compared his ability to stay upright and bounce off/out of tackles to Kamara and when I watch the tape I see why. For this season i'm expecting we'll see a split where JR gets 15-20 carries and 2-5 targets, Etienne will see 10-12 total looks, and Hyde will see 5-7 carries and 1-2 targets as well. Eventually Etienne will be a 20+ touch/target a game guy. *I also like this pick for surrounding Lawrence with what he needs and things that make him comfortable. He and Travis have 3 years of QB/RB teamwork so they should be in sync from day 1.

2nd (#33) - Tyson Campbell CB - Georgia - With some of the guys still on the board this pick was...interesting. At first I thought, we have CJ and just signed Shaq....but I understand you need more than two good corners in this league for many reasons - injuries, different offensive sets with many wideouts, and honestly these gadget players that can't be covered by non-elite LBers. The good news is Campbell should be good enough already to man cover, which sounds crazy but he still has plenty of areas that will need work. I like his size (6'2 190+) and his fit with CJ and Shaq. This was another solid step towards rebuilding the secondary.

2nd (#45) - Walker Little - OT - Stanford - I Loooooovvvveeeee this pick. 6'7 300+ pounds on a tackle who has a tremendous pedigree. Negatives are knee injury as a sophomore and opting out in 2020 due to Covid. As a Freshman he was co-Pac 12 freshman of the year and earned All Pac-12 first team honors. Little is not only tremendous potential for the OL but also insurance for the future with Cam and Jawaan. This is probably tied for my second favorite pick of the draft for the Jags.

3rd (#65) - Andre Cisco - S - Syracuse - Another pick I absolutely loved. Meyer and Baalke sat on addressing the back of the defense and it paid off. While Moehrig was seen by many as the top safety in the class some see Cisco as that guy. A 3rd team All American as a freshman Cisco suffered an injury early in 2020 that closed the book on his 3rd season with the Orange. This guy is a ball hawk and a fearless downhill DB who will aggressively come up to attack the run. He's going to be a good one.

4th (#106) - Jay Tufele - DT - USC - I like how things played out, feeling like not only were they going somewhat BPA but also moving around the field and addressing all spots. While we signed some interior DL help in FA the future needed to be addressed. Tufele is another 2020 opt out and he only played one season for USC after redshirting as a Freshman. Tufele has good size at 6'2 300+ but needs to work on defending against the run. He has a top notch swim move and should be effective on 3rd down early on. He's going to need a good bit of polishing to become a complete player. Of course day 3 of the draft is when these types of guys are drafted, could be very good to great, could be a few years of nothing and they're out of town and you didnt even realize. Hopefully he commits to what it will take to be a big contributor for this defense, he has the raw talent needed to make it happen.

4th (#121) Jordan Smith - DE/LB - UAB - As a Florida Gator fan i'd forgotten about this guy and his involvement in the credit card fraud scheme he and 8 others got caught up in which led his journey to community college and then to UAB where he was second team all conference USA in 2019 and first team all conference USA in 2020. Smith is going to need to get stronger to play effectively at the NFL level but he seems like a good bet to fall in behind Josh Allen in the DE/LB hybrid pass rusher mold. Another move by Meyer/Baalke to load up on defense.

5th (#145) - Luke Farrell - TE - Ohio State - This pick has the feel of Meyer-OSU connection as he recruited Farrell. Maybe Meyer sees a way to utilize his abilities in the offensive scheme but Farrell is undoubtedly there to block. Some scouts have said he may be the best blocking TE in the draft. It's difficult to see the need for this based on the way the game is changing. Most primary TEs now are just oversized receivers who block on their days off. Many teams do have at least 1 guy in their TE room who specializes in blocking so that's what we have here. Whats hard to get a feel for is taking this guy at a position of need. Many felt we would address this spot with one of the first 4-5 picks and come away with a guy like Freiermuth or Long. Farrells lack of flash in the receiving department kept him out of most discussions but it's clear to see what he's capable of, which is blocking. The head scratching part is using a 5th round pick on him.

6th (#209) - Jalen Camp - WR - Georgia Tech - Big outside receiver - 6'2 220 with a 4.43 40, 39.5 inch vertical, and 30 reps of 225 lbs at his pro day, Camp didnt do a lot in college but that's not surprising considering he went to Georgia Tech and played for Paul Johnson. He's a sneaky sleeper imo but an interesting add with Colin Johnson coming on last year. It's going to be a battle for him to make it with the WR room is currently packed, with DJ, Marvin, LV, CJohnson, Dorsett, and Agnew all on board.

UDFAs
Dylan Moses - LB - Alabama - Love this pick up though it could very easily be hollow as Moses has struggled with pain in his knee and even considered quitting football because of it. Upside is this is a kid who was the #1 overall pick coming out of HS and has great talent. A lot of questions surrounding his knee/health and his production at Alabama so we'll see.

Others -
Josh Imatorbhebhe - WR - Illinois
DJ Daniel - CB - Georgia
Tim Jones - WR - Southern Miss
Kenny Randall - DT - Charleston Southern
Corey Straughter - CB - Louisiana Monroe

Overall I like our draft. I do have some concerns such as not getting a better TE and not adding to the LB corp (well aside from Moses and Smith, who is more of a pass rushing outside 3-4 DE/LB hybrid) but a lot of the other picks like Lawrence, Little, and Cisco I think were great, and I have high hopes for Etienne as well. For a first draft i'd give Baalke/Meyer an A- though again they wouldve had to try to actually have a bad draft considering they got one of the top players coming out of college over the last 10 years.

Really looking forward to this season. Go Jags!

[RedTeamGo!]

I think the plan was to draft Friermuth. Ferrell was the back up plan.

[oregonred]

I can't wait to see what happens with the Jags/TL and Urban over the next couple of years

Jags picked it up after the less than compelling Etienne and the two round 2 picks

[JaxRed]

The Monday after the draft is to scouts what the Monday after the season is to coaches and GM's. Black MOnday hit for a bunch of Jags scouts, as Urban will seek to moves his guys in.

Black Monday begins in #NFL scouting departments as the #Jaguars part ways with 5 key evaluators: Director of College Scouting Mark Ellenz, Asst Dir of College Scouting Paul Roell, Assistant DPP Andy Dengler, Director of Pro Scouting Chris Driggers & area scout Jared Kirksey,

[JaxRed]

OTAs began today. All 90 players reported much to union's chagrin. Tebow trying for a TE spot.

[JaxRed]

Guys on the radio today were commenting that far and away Minshew has been the best of the backup QBs in three OTA sessions the the media attended. They've gone from thinking that Minshew is gone and Beathard is the backup, to thinking unless they are blown away on a deal, that Minshew will be in Jax as the #2 and Beathard might be gone.

[Rojo Rijo]

Guys on the radio today were commenting that far and away Minshew has been the best of the backup QBs in three OTA sessions the the media attended. They've gone from thinking that Minshew is gone and Beathard is the backup, to thinking unless they are blown away on a deal, that Minshew will be in Jax as the #2 and Beathard might be gone.

No reason to throw the guy away for nothing. No telling which team might end up QB needy during the season and we could snatch a nice pick.

[JaxRed]

Well it's been a couple months. No news in the off-season is generally good news. No injuries to speak of. So far Trevor has been everything they have hoped for. Not perfect, he's a rookie, but doing everything they want.

Minshew seems solidified as the #2, unless they get an offer from a team with a QB problem. Interestingly enough the two most obvious teams that might have a problem are Indy and Houston both in the division. Walker Little has been the talk of the non-Trevor picks, impressing since Day 1. As Urban said a couple days ago "he's been better than I thought, and I thought he was really good". It seems a matter of time until someone on that Online loses their job to him.

Several people (most notably Jags media guy and ex-player Jeff Lageman, who's been studying practice tape) says he is really impressed with 2nd year DL Davon Hamilton out of Ohio State. He played last year till an injury took his out an people came away impressed, but according to Lageman he's come back bigger and better than ever and it shows.

There are early indications that Urban is not in love with with Dave Caldwell's first two round picks from 2020 (CJ Henderson and K'Lavon Chaisson). Henderson under-performed last year, there were rumors of unprofessionalism this year, and he followed up a Covid- session with missing the scrimmage for personal reasons. Now NFL types are saying Jags are shopping him. Helps explain why Jags used the first pick in Round 2 on a CB. No talk of Jags not liking Chaissons' attitude, just seems he's not where they would like him to be for a #1 pick.

Surprises - Apparently Laquon Treadwell has opened a lot of eyes at WR. Jags seem very happy with WR corps and suspect there will be some tough cuts.

[JaxRed]

A couple more posts of the CJ Henderson issue; Gene Frenette a local reporter tweeted that one of the outgoing coaches warned him about off the field issues with Henderson. I assume there is enough professional courtesy between coaches so that info got to Urbans attention.

Dilla (a local guy to twitter with seemingly great sources) said Urban and Charlie Strong had to go to Henderson's house recently to try and get him to practice.

[JaxRed]

Some more Henderson/Chaisson talk. First Chaisson... he had been listed as disappointing because he was getting beat on one vs one drills. But he's a speed guy, and power is not his game. Local reporters who were at the weekend scrimmages say he was outstanding over the weekend because of his speed.

Henderson... apparently this thing is out of control. Hayes Carlyon with 1010XL said flat out, he will never play another down for Jags. I guess there was an incident in the last couple days where he was at practice ridding the stationary bike. When it was time to go on the field, he didn't have his cleats. He couldn't go get them, staffers had to. When they retrieved his cleats and he went to put them on and tie them up, it took more than 7 minutes (it was being timed by the press). At the 7 minute mark, staffers had to finish tying up his cleats.

[Rojo Rijo]

I'm all for trading Henderson. We obviously feel comfortable in our CBs minus him and he's still very valuable in terms of cost and age. They should get a 1st no problem as there are plenty of teams who would love to add a 2nd year top 10 pick CB who showed potential in his rookie year. The question is will they hold out for more than a 1st? That may depend on the team. If its a team thats a strong candidate for the playoffs they might want more as that 1st would potentially only be in the 20-32 range. Obviously I don't expect them to get a Ramsey return (two 1sts and a 4th) but with Henderson costing less and being younger maybe a haul of that nature is not as far away from what they'll get as I would expect it to be. Obviously Ramsey was/is a no doubt top 3 corner in the league, but who's to say Henderson won't be one of the best one day. He was phenomenal at UF and is one of the better cover corners to come into the league lately. He's not a great tackler/run support but who's to say he doesnt turn out to be a Nnamdi type corner? Either way I hope they get this taken care of sooner than later, this situation seems like it will only get uglier and with games starting this weekend i'd hate for the young team to have this kind of distraction.

[JaxRed]

I'm all for trading Henderson. We obviously feel comfortable in our CBs minus him and he's still very valuable in terms of cost and age. They should get a 1st no problem as there are plenty of teams who would love to add a 2nd year top 10 pick CB who showed potential in his rookie year. The question is will they hold out for more than a 1st? That may depend on the team. If its a team thats a strong candidate for the playoffs they might want more as that 1st would potentially only be in the 20-32 range. Obviously I don't expect them to get a Ramsey return (two 1sts and a 4th) but with Henderson costing less and being younger maybe a haul of that nature is not as far away from what they'll get as I would expect it to be. Obviously Ramsey was/is a no doubt top 3 corner in the league, but who's to say Henderson won't be one of the best one day. He was phenomenal at UF and is one of the better cover corners to come into the league lately. He's not a great tackler/run support but who's to say he doesnt turn out to be a Nnamdi type corner? Either way I hope they get this taken care of sooner than later, this situation seems like it will only get uglier and with games starting this weekend i'd hate for the young team to have this kind of distraction.

Well I certainly hope you are right. But I'm thinking if they got a 3rd rounder they are lucky.

[JaxRed]

Jags traded 2020 FA signee Joe Schobert. Salary dump pure and simple. They save about $5 million. They get a 6th rounder back. Jags under Urban Meyer want speed across the board and that's not his game.

Notable by this transaction? All 2020 Free Agents signed by Jags are gone.

[JaxRed]

Jags played a lackluster pre-season game against Browns and lost. Trevor looked ok, but just ok. Minshew did not look good as backup, but Beathard who had not looked good in camp did look good. Defense stopped the run but couldn't stop the pass.

Travis Etienne was MIA. One time he had a real chance and Minshew missed him on easy play. Tebow looked lost blocking a couple times. CJ Henderson played and actually looked pretty good. Walker Little played 49 snaps I believe. I watched him a lot and I never saw him get in trouble on a pass play. The other tackle's, especially RT Taylor did not look good.

[BillDoran]

Jags played a lackluster pre-season game against Browns and lost. Trevor looked ok, but just ok. Minshew did not look good as backup, but Beathard who had not looked good in camp did look good. Defense stopped the run but couldn't stop the pass.

Travis Etienne was MIA. One time he had a real chance and Minshew missed him on easy play. Tebow looked lost blocking a couple times. CJ Henderson played and actually looked pretty good. Walker Little played 49 snaps I believe. I watched him a lot and I never saw him get in trouble on a pass play. The other tackle's, especially RT Taylor did not look good.

Big ole caveat: It's super early.

Thus far, Meyer's transition hasn't looked great. First, the whole Doyle thing, which was just plain dumb on Meyer's part. Then Tebow and the weird infatuation with certain college stars (ahem, Tavon Austin). Now, announcing he's tracking all competition and emphasizing winning drills like he's running a Pop Warner team. It feels like he might not get it.

His edge in college, his hyper competitiveness and drive, don't seem to stand out as much in the pros. Most of the NFL coaches are certified wackos who sleep 90 minutes a night on their office cot, and most 30-year-old men with two kids and $10 million in the bank will tune out the hard-edge motivational tactics. I don't think he's going to be able to keep a locker room. He thinks he's Belichick. His players know he's closer to Schiano.

[Rojo Rijo]

Big ole caveat: It's super early.

Thus far, Meyer's transition hasn't looked great. First, the whole Doyle thing, which was just plain dumb on Meyer's part. Then Tebow and the weird infatuation with certain college stars (ahem, Tavon Austin). Now, announcing he's tracking all competition and emphasizing winning drills like he's running a Pop Warner team. It feels like he might not get it.

His edge in college, his hyper competitiveness and drive, don't seem to stand out as much in the pros. Most of the NFL coaches are certified wackos who sleep 90 minutes a night on their office cot, and most 30-year-old men with two kids and $10 million in the bank will tune out the hard-edge motivational tactics. I don't think he's going to be able to keep a locker room. He thinks he's Belichick. His players know he's closer to Schiano.

We've played one preseason game........

[Rojo Rijo]

Jags played a lackluster pre-season game against Browns and lost. Trevor looked ok, but just ok. Minshew did not look good as backup, but Beathard who had not looked good in camp did look good. Defense stopped the run but couldn't stop the pass.

Travis Etienne was MIA. One time he had a real chance and Minshew missed him on easy play. Tebow looked lost blocking a couple times. CJ Henderson played and actually looked pretty good. Walker Little played 49 snaps I believe. I watched him a lot and I never saw him get in trouble on a pass play. The other tackle's, especially RT Taylor did not look good.

Staff is gushing over Walker Little. He's going to take someones spot.

Our OL will (well, i'll say should...depending on what we get from Taylor and Cam) be a strength this year and that's huge for Lawrence.

[BillDoran]

We've played one preseason game........

Did you, by chance, notice most of these issues are not on-the-field issues?

As an Ohio State fan, I'm skeptical of the transition. Sue me for weighing in on the Jacksonville Jaguars on a Cincinnati Reds message board.

It's been a rough ride since Coughlin left town. As a Reds fan, I understand it's hard to root for a franchise that sucks.

[bucksfan2]

Big ole caveat: It's super early.

Thus far, Meyer's transition hasn't looked great. First, the whole Doyle thing, which was just plain dumb on Meyer's part. Then Tebow and the weird infatuation with certain college stars (ahem, Tavon Austin). Now, announcing he's tracking all competition and emphasizing winning drills like he's running a Pop Warner team. It feels like he might not get it.

His edge in college, his hyper competitiveness and drive, don't seem to stand out as much in the pros. Most of the NFL coaches are certified wackos who sleep 90 minutes a night on their office cot, and most 30-year-old men with two kids and $10 million in the bank will tune out the hard-edge motivational tactics. I don't think he's going to be able to keep a locker room. He thinks he's Belichick. His players know he's closer to Schiano.

I don't quite think Meyer will be successful in the NFL. I think he is a smart enough coach to realize what he did in college won't work in the NFL. I also think he "thinks" he needs to change the culture around. I don't mind a lot of the "winning" drills, it goes back to Meyer's whole philosophy of "did you get better today."

The Tebow thing was stupid, unnecessary, and never should have happened. I do think he is bringing players in that he knew as a college coach, which can be good and can be bad. I think he needs a strong GM (which I don't know if they have) who will build a roster with Urban's opinion in mind. If Urban is solely responsible for building a roster it will be an epic failure.

Urban was at his best when he had competent coaches on his staff who he trusts. OSU's failures with Urban at the helm (using failures to mean a one or two loss season) were mainly attributed to poor assistant coaches. Looking at you Tim Beck, Ed Warriner, and Bill Davis.

[BillDoran]

I don't quite think Meyer will be successful in the NFL. I think he is a smart enough coach to realize what he did in college won't work in the NFL. I also think he "thinks" he needs to change the culture around. I don't mind a lot of the "winning" drills, it goes back to Meyer's whole philosophy of "did you get better today."

The Tebow thing was stupid, unnecessary, and never should have happened. I do think he is bringing players in that he knew as a college coach, which can be good and can be bad. I think he needs a strong GM (which I don't know if they have) who will build a roster with Urban's opinion in mind. If Urban is solely responsible for building a roster it will be an epic failure.

Urban was at his best when he had competent coaches on his staff who he trusts. OSU's failures with Urban at the helm (using failures to mean a one or two loss season) were mainly attributed to poor assistant coaches. Looking at you Tim Beck, Ed Warriner, and Bill Davis.

Agree 100% on someone else having a hand on the rudder. I think he'd be well served by sharing the power in the organization, especially in help manage the roster and coaches. FWIW, I think it's nigh impossible in the NFL to be both coach and run personnel.

And this is also why I'm uncertain about Urban's NFL future. He's a control freak and unlikely to be any good at sharing power.

I also know there's something about Meyer's touch that I don't understand. I would think someone as authoritarian as him would be would be tuned out by college players and pros alike. He's also super rigid, scheme- and personnel-wise. He was stilling running QB power with J.T. Barrett while Day was on the staff and Joe Burrow (third year in the program) and Dwayne Haskins (second year) were on the sideline. Nonetheless, he's never done anything but win at a preposterous clip. So, what do I know?

[RedTeamGo!]

Did you, by chance, notice most of these issues are not on-the-field issues?

As an Ohio State fan, I'm skeptical of the transition. Sue me for weighing in on the Jacksonville Jaguars on a Cincinnati Reds message board.

It's been a rough ride since Coughlin left town. As a Reds fan, I understand it's hard to root for a franchise that sucks.

The Jaguars don’t suck?

[bucksfan2]

Agree 100% on someone else having a hand on the rudder. I think he'd be well served by sharing the power in the organization, especially in help manage the roster and coaches. FWIW, I think it's nigh impossible in the NFL to be both coach and run personnel.

And this is also why I'm uncertain about Urban's NFL future. He's a control freak and unlikely to be any good at sharing power.

I also know there's something about Meyer's touch that I don't understand. I would think someone as authoritarian as him would be would be tuned out by college players and pros alike. He's also super rigid, scheme- and personnel-wise. He was stilling running QB power with J.T. Barrett while Day was on the staff and Joe Burrow (third year in the program) and Dwayne Haskins (second year) were on the sideline. Nonetheless, he's never done anything but win at a preposterous clip. So, what do I know?

He did change somewhat in handing control over to Ryan Day. Many insiders say Haskins was not ready to play in his 2nd season. And to pump the brakes on Joe Burrow, he was good at OSU, but even in his first year starting at LSU he wasn't spectacular.

Believe me if you follow OSU at all, JT Barrett is a lynchpin for debate whenever you bring him up. To be honest, one of Urban's worst personal decisions was probably to run Barrett out there in the B1G title game shortly after arthroscopic knee surgery instead of playing Haskins. OSU needed a big performance and unfortunately they did enough to win, but not impress.

I think Urban knows his version of the offense won't work in the NFL, and needs to hand over play calling duties. He will handle the coaches, but the roster has to be taken out of his hands. He was fortunate (and probably the reason he took the job) that Lawrence was there with the #1 pick. That was a no brainer, and an easy decision. But he has made some curious camp invites (Tim Tebow and Devin Smith) who have been out of the league for a while and go the invite because Urban had a relationship with them.

At OSU Urban wasn't cold blooded. He often let relationships dictate who he hired to coach as well as who started. That won't work for long in the NFL. The best man has to play, regardless of relationship with the coaching staff.

[JaxRed]

After the really bad look by Flacco yesterday for Eagles, came talk from local reporters that Eagles/Jags had been discussing a Minshew trade earlier in the spring but couldn't come to an agreement.

[JaxRed]

Well Jags put up a stinker yesterday via New Orleans. Probably should have won the game versus the scrubs, the when the starters were in we looked bad. 3/5 of starting O Line were out. Two major takeaways. Might have a major injury. First round RB Travis Etienne suffered a Lis Franc injury although initial x-rays showed no fracture.

Once again - CJ Beathard looked WAY better than Minshew. WAY better.

[JaxRed]

Of course.......... Travis Etienne placed on IR and is lost for the year.

On a totally unrelated note the 2022 NFL Draft is April 28th

[JaxRed]

After the really bad look by Flacco yesterday for Eagles, came talk from local reporters that Eagles/Jags had been discussing a Minshew trade earlier in the spring but couldn't come to an agreement.

And it happens...... Jags trade Minshew to Eagles for a 6th, which will become a 5th if Minshew plays 50% in 3 games. (I think he is likely to do so)

SO CJ Beathard is the backup. Luton likely to go practice squad (again)

[JaxRed]

Wow what a difference. Jags come out and look totally dominant in all phases against Cowboys. Offense looked great both with Trevor in and Trevor out. Defense looked good against the run and pass.

[Sea Ray]

And it happens...... Jags trade Minshew to Eagles for a 6th, which will become a 5th if Minshew plays 50% in 3 games. (I think he is likely to do so)

SO CJ Beathard is the backup. Luton likely to go practice squad (again)

I wish Minshew the best

[JaxRed]

We lost Luton (QB) to Seattle, and 6th rounder Jalen Camp to Houston. I'd have preferred to hand on to both those guys.

[JaxRed]

Jags had a train-wreck of a first game against the team many thought were the worst in the NFL (they were wrong). Everything that could go wrong, did go wrong. Jags couldn't even line up correctly, couldn't limit the number of players in the huddle to 11.

Much improvement needed.

[MWM]

Urban in over his head. He may not last past this season. Sad thing is, pretty much every pundit has said this from the beginning. Something about him just screamed not an NFL coach.

[KoryMac5]

1st game new system on offense and defense...they have their QB, now they have to surround him with talent. Urban isn't the guy to won there but he may be the guy to set them up for winning.

[Rojo Rijo]

Offense was disappointing.

Anyone who thought Trevor Lawrence was going to make this 1-15 team better by himself has no idea how young and inexperienced our defense is right now. I was hoping we would be a 5-6 win team but now I find myself wondering which team is going to want to trade up for a QB in April.

It's going to be a long season. As far as Urban Meyer goes, time will tell. Can he handle the building/not winning? If so for how long? Will his health become an issue with the elevated stress? Who knows. If he can handle it I still expect him to be here for a while.

[Sea Ray]

Why is Urban throwing 50+ times in a game where his RBs are gaining 5 yds/carry?

[RedTeamGo!]

Why is Urban throwing 50+ times in a game where his RBs are gaining 5 yds/carry?

Because they were down big

[JaxRed]

Playing the Broncos at home. Have no illusion of victory this time. Just want to see an improvement over the train wreck we saw last week.

[KronoRed]

Nice opening drive, late arriving crowd.

[JaxRed]

Playing the Broncos at home. Have no illusion of victory this time. Just want to see an improvement over the train wreck we saw last week.

I got pretty much what I wanted. Jags just weren't very good. Which was a major improvement to the disaster they threw up Week 1.

[JaxRed]

0-2 Jags facing 2-0 Cards. Certainly not expecting a win. (although I would take one). Just hoping for a team that shows improvement again.

A puzzler: Jags have had hardly any roster churn at bottom of roster. It was widely expected around here that Jags would claim a bunch of final cuts. They had first position in waivers. They grabbed one. And lost 3. And they would hold that first spot thru three games, and have done very little.

After 2 games they still hold the top spot (tied with Jets) for #1 pick.

[Rojo Rijo]

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[JaxRed]

The Jags looked better against Arizona. Heck at one point in the 3rd quarter after a touchdown I actually thought they were maybe going to win. Then it all collapsed. But, team has looked better 2 weeks in a row. That's all we need is to keep getting better.

Kicker Josh Lambo is in a bad place I guess. Hasn't made a field goal all year. Missed both extra points last week. And is now ruled out for the Bengals game for personal reasons.

And, Jags closed the book on anther failed first round pick. CJ Henderson #9 overall, who had to be babysat to get thru training camp was shipped off to Carolina. Jags get a 3rd (give up a 5th) and a TE Dan Arnold that was available as a FA in the off-season. Even though he was #9 overall pick last year, sources say Jags never met with him before the draft.

He's apparently a bit of a head case. One of the players on Jags commented on him after his departure - "He's different".

[Bob Sheed]

Jags have a chance to steal this one on the road. The Bengals are missing 2 of their best in the secondary, and one is making his first start, having been injured up to this point.

Pro Tip for the Jags Offense:
Look for the guy with APPLE on the back of his jersey. Throw it and run it in his direction.

[oregonred]

The Jags could easily be 2-2 right now. Lawrence is going to be a handful in the pocket and on the move he is sneaky fast and decisive.

They are going to win some games soon and might be pretty darn dangerous by the middle of the year

The season ending injuries to Chark and Etienne are killer taking away two of the four best offensive weapons

Great time to be in the AFC South while the AFC North and West beat each other up the rest of the way.

[Boston Red]

Urban seems to be enjoying Jacksonville.

[dabvu2498]

Urban seems to be enjoying Jacksonville.

Seems to be enjoying Columbus even more.

[schmidty622]

Seems to be enjoying Columbus even more.

Losing to the Bengals will do that to ya.

[oregonred]

Titans lose to the Jets. The Jets. The NY Football Jets...

The AFC South is awful while the AFC West and Central are loaded.

The Colts at 1-3 likely win the division. Jax could actually get back in the race

Wentz, Tannehill, Houston QB revolving door and Lawrence. Jags are positioned light years better than anyone in the NFL in regards to the QB position for the forseeable future and with a rookie contract.

[RiverRat13]

Titans lose to the Jets. The Jets. The NY Football Jets...

The AFC South is awful while the AFC West and Central are loaded.

The Colts at 1-3 likely win the division. Jax could actually get back in the race

Wentz, Tannehill, Houston QB revolving door and Lawrence. Jags are positioned light years better than anyone in the NFL in regards to the QB position for the forseeable future and with a rookie contract.Tannehill is a good QB but that defense is still terrible. Despite that, I still think the Titans win the South. But the Jags could win it as soon as next year with a productive off-season.

[WVRed]

Seems to be enjoying Columbus even more.

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[Chip R]

Urban has apologized to the team and his family for his behavior on Saturday. His punishment is that he still has to coach the Jags.

[redsfanmia]

Urban has apologized to the team and his family for his behavior on Saturday. His punishment is that he still has to coach the Jags.

Until the “health problems”.

[Chip R]

Uh oh.

https://dailycaller.com/2021/10/05/report-jaguars-discussing-firing-urban-meyer-dancing-video/

[Todd Gack]

Until the “health problems”.

Maybe he can fake another heart attack and quit. Then go to USC.

[Bob Sheed]

If Urban didn't know the Brave New World we live in, he does now.

"Don't let em' catch you slippin'... "

[RiverRat13]

If Urban didn't know the Brave New World we live in, he does now.

"Don't let em' catch you slippin'... "

He should already know the "old" rules - if he were 4-0, this would be a non-issue.

[BernieCarbo]

I can’t see him being fired for this, but I’ll bet the team is going to make a pragmatic buyout offer. Acting like a frat boy when you’re almost 60 years old in a college town isn’t a good look when you’re 0-4.

If he had just won the Super Bowl, he could’ve been caught getting a handy like Bob Kraft, and it would be ignored.

[UKFlounder]

17752

[BillDoran]

@MikeSilver
The Urban Meyer situation in Jacksonville has reached a crisis point, especially in the locker room. One player told me, 'He has zero credibility in that stadium. He had very little to begin with.'

Huh, it's almost like Urban's personality and ideas of culture might not translate to the NFL. Wonder if Ohio State fans saw this coming and saw the early signs of dysfunction over the summer.

[Chip R]

Not sure what to say about this. The behavior at the bar with the girl is probably something that has happened with many coaches - especially before everybody had a phone at their fingertips that could take pictures and video. I'm sure there has been more activities that have gone on between coaches and young ladies - especially at colleges. And I would bet a lot of those coaches were married too. But in Urban's case, he is supposed to be an Uber-Christian. I don't want to get too deep into religion here because there's a forum for that but that is not Christian behavior. However, being a Christian means that you sin and when you sin, you seek forgiveness. But Urban has a history of covering up/excusing behavior that is un-Christian.

The thing that bothers me about this incident - besides messing around with that young lady - is the explanation. He said he and his family were out to dinner and some people wanted him to come and take pictures. I'll buy that. If you're Urban Meyer in Columbus, that's very plausible. Then he said they were trying to pull him out on the dance floor. This is where I take issue with his account. I'm not terribly familiar with restaurants in the Columbus area but he took his family out for dinner at a place that has a dance floor? First of all, from the pictures, that place looked like a sports bar. The people there looked like they were dressed for a sports bar. I don't know of a lot of sports bars that have dance floors. But if it was a restaurant that has that dancing, why do you take your family out for dinner there? And if you are out dancing with some young lady or ladies, that's pretty brazen to do that in the same place where your family is. In that one picture he didn't even look like he was dancing. It looked like he was sitting down at a bar and the girl was grinding on him and he was very handsy with her. Again, if his family is there, why is he doing that? It makes no sense. My guess was he was hanging with his family and decided to go out for a pack of smokes or something. But what he really did was to go to some bar. I have no idea why. Maybe he wanted a beer or two and the fam are teetotalers. If this was 15 years ago, I'd say he may have wanted to check up on some of the games that were going on. But you can get all that on your phone now.

To some, it seems the bigger issue is that he didn't fly back with the team. I think that is making a mountain out of a molehill. I'm not totally familiar with the schedule of NFL teams but I'd be willing to bet the players had the weekend off except for those who needed treatment. I don't know about the staff. If Urban gave the staff the weekend off, it shouldn't be a big deal that he stayed behind. But if the staff had to come in and work and he stayed behind, I could see people having a problem with that. A bigger issue is that they are 0-4. If I were the head coach of an 0-4 team, I might be using those extra 3 days to find ways to get better instead of taking the weekend off. I don't think I would bring players in for full contact practice but I might bring them in for walkthroughs and film study. Especially since you have a rookie QB.

There are a lot of cynics out there that say Urban's ready to quit or hoping to get fired. It doesn't appear either one is going to happen now but if you bring someone like Urban in you don't cut bait with him a quarter of the way into the season even if you are 0-4 unless he's committed a major felony. And if Urban took the gig and is hoping to get fired after one season (and get the remainder of his contract) that's somewhat fraudulent. And if he does that and is wanting to take a college gig, I'm not so sure he gets hired after quitting at Florida, quitting at OSU and getting fired at Jacksonville after one season. How do you know he won't bail after a year or two?

[forfreelin04]

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That is absolute gold

[oregonred]

@MikeSilver
The Urban Meyer situation in Jacksonville has reached a crisis point, especially in the locker room. One player told me, 'He has zero credibility in that stadium. He had very little to begin with.'

Huh, it's almost like Urban's personality and ideas of culture might not translate to the NFL. Wonder if Ohio State fans saw this coming and saw the early signs of dysfunction over the summer.

Maybe, but these anonymous twitter posts always smack of complete BS and click bait. It's not like Urban didn't walk into a complete dumpster fire of a roster in Duval County in the offseason.

It's probably providing some good locker room chuckles amongst the Jags twenty something players and provides good 24/7 self righteous sports media material.

Anyone that lives in Jacksonville July-Sept deserves a little fun in C-Bus :) Just kidding, but Jax is an awful place to live in the summer months - great the rest of the year

[forfreelin04]

"Let him live" is what I say. Faith doesn't turn off biological triggers.

And I wish you all the best of luck if that girl was dancing up on you. Man had both hands on his crotch. Poor bastard tried.

[Betterread]

"Let him live" is what I say. Faith doesn't turn off biological triggers.

And I wish you all the best of luck if that girl was dancing up on you. Man had both hands on his crotch. Poor bastard tried.

I am with you on advice not to judge, but at the same time I see no need to defend the behavior either. I don’t see any dancing. And there is another video where one of his hands is far away from protecting any part of him and is clearly touching her crotch.

[Chip R]

I am with you on advice not to judge, but at the same time I see no need to defend the behavior either. I don’t see any dancing. And there is another video where one of his hands is far away from protecting any part of him and is clearly touching her crotch.

Again, pretty brazen behavior if your family is actually in the same restaurant.

[forfreelin04]

I don’t see any dancing. And there is another video where one of his hands is far away from protecting any part of him and is clearly touching her crotch.

The first video she's dancing I believe. On the second video, well...I believe he's touching her crotch. I dunno how much I believe that one when I see it on someone else's phone on an Instagram page that is entitled Azz and Tiddies. SMH

Chappelle said it best "Twitter is the bathroom wall of America." Write whatever you want and nobody has to know it was you.

Everyone's entitled to their opinion on the matter. I'm not going to throw him under the bus.

America always picks and chooses who they deem to be "good people." This will be out of the news cycle in a week.

[Betterread]

If the hypocrisy of Urban Meyer bothers you, just keep in mind the far greater amount of hypocrisy gushing out of the mouths of many politicians, who at the same time are enabled to exploit young women, and with more women in politics, young men.
Meyer is a bumbling teenager compared to a lot of experienced harassers/politicians.

[BernieCarbo]

Again, pretty brazen behavior if your family is actually in the same restaurant.

It sounds like his wife went home with the grandchildren while he stayed out though. It wasn’t like she was right in the restaurant with him.

I don’t care one way or another, and this is between him, his wife, and whoever is paying his salary. But it’s always funny when someone who wears his faith on his sleeve gets into these situations. And I doubt it is the first time.

I know people get on Tim Tebow a lot, but he’s the one guy that seems authentic when it comes to faith. But now watch him prove me wrong with some big scandal.

[Chip R]

It sounds like his wife went home with the grandchildren while he stayed out though. It wasn’t like she was right in the restaurant with him.

I don’t care one way or another, and this is between him, his wife, and whoever is paying his salary. But it’s always funny when someone who wears his faith on his sleeve gets into these situations. And I doubt it is the first time.

I know people get on Tim Tebow a lot, but he’s the one guy that seems authentic when it comes to faith. But now watch him prove me wrong some big scandal.

Well that's a little different than what he said in his statement.

[JaxRed]

There almost seems to be more grief here in town in football circles about the fact that after a loss, he did not fly home with the team. People say that's essentially unheard of.

[bucksfan2]

1. Urbs is a maniac. He has always been, and it has cost him from time to time. When he was at UF he stated that he would take ambien and 6 beers to fall asleep.

2. His time at OSU was pretty much scandal free. You very rarely heard about players getting in trouble, and it has been well noted that Urban would not recruit guys he would have been forced to at UF.

3. The Zach Smith scandal is pretty much a stupid scandal. It was basically a messy divorce that OSU got caught in the middle of. The biggest issue of all was that Smith was not fired earlier. But in the grand scheme of things, what has happened recently at other schools has been far more damning, but not given the same media attention.

4. Go home, you are a grandpa. I am sure he was there blowing off some steam, but you have no business putting yourself in that situation.

5. I am sure that the Jags owner gave him permission to stay up in Ohio after the Thursday game. You also hear how teams treat that like a mini buy, with practice really not resuming until Monday.

6. The news cycle gets pretty tiresome. I mean you have everyone and their brother out there with a hot take. Come Thursday, the NFL will have forgotten about it, there will be a brief mention on Sunday before their game, and that is that. The bigger news will be the W or L, with a L being attributed to his actions from a week before.

[Rojo Rijo]

Just a matter of time at this point. Without winning football games to cure these issues it can't go on much longer. Not when you have reports that the players think he's full of ****.

[Rojo Rijo]

1. Urbs is a maniac. He has always been, and it has cost him from time to time. When he was at UF he stated that he would take ambien and 6 beers to fall asleep.

2. His time at OSU was pretty much scandal free. You very rarely heard about players getting in trouble, and it has been well noted that Urban would not recruit guys he would have been forced to at UF.

3. The Zach Smith scandal is pretty much a stupid scandal. It was basically a messy divorce that OSU got caught in the middle of. The biggest issue of all was that Smith was not fired earlier. But in the grand scheme of things, what has happened recently at other schools has been far more damning, but not given the same media attention.

4. Go home, you are a grandpa. I am sure he was there blowing off some steam, but you have no business putting yourself in that situation.

5. I am sure that the Jags owner gave him permission to stay up in Ohio after the Thursday game. You also hear how teams treat that like a mini buy, with practice really not resuming until Monday.

6. The news cycle gets pretty tiresome. I mean you have everyone and their brother out there with a hot take. Come Thursday, the NFL will have forgotten about it, there will be a brief mention on Sunday before their game, and that is that. The bigger news will be the W or L, with a L being attributed to his actions from a week before.

1 - yes
2 - "pretty much scandal free" is a difficult sell considering he was suspended by OSU. Even if it was the only thing it was big enough to end the relationship. That's no small incident.
3 - This feels like a homerish take but as a fan of a school/program with plenty of its own skeletons I have no room to speak.
4 - Agreed, but easy for us to say, we arent nationally recognizable individuals who get treated like royalty in certain locations.
5 - I doubt Kahn had anything to do with it. This wouldve been something discussed between Lamping/Baalke and Meyer.
6 - Meyer has been a hot topic since he was rumored for the job. This is gold for the media. Until Jacksonville stops losing, at least once, this will not go away.

[IslandRed]

There almost seems to be more grief here in town in football circles about the fact that after a loss, he did not fly home with the team. People say that's essentially unheard of.

Within the football organization/locker room, I'm sure they care more about that than getting handsy with some girl at a bar. NFL head coaches virtually never take days off (for non-emergency reasons) during the season. And when you've been in the NFL for four games and you're 0-4, you especially don't.

[NachoMan]

Urban lied his ass off throughout the Zach Smith trainwreck, just as he is quite obviously lying through this trainwreck. I have no problem with his open-marriage, but his phony sanctimony is tough enough to take without him publicly finger-blasting waitresses. Oh, and he and Shelley can both go to hell for the way they threw Courtney Smith under the bus.

[oregonred]

Urban lied his ass off throughout the Zach Smith trainwreck, just as he is quite obviously lying through this trainwreck. I have no problem with his open-marriage, but his phony sanctimony is tough enough to take without him publicly finger-blasting waitresses. Oh, and he and Shelley can both go to hell for the way they threw Courtney Smith under the bus.

We found Mike Bianchi!

[Redsfaithful]

Urban lied his ass off throughout the Zach Smith trainwreck, just as he is quite obviously lying through this trainwreck. I have no problem with his open-marriage, but his phony sanctimony is tough enough to take without him publicly finger-blasting waitresses. Oh, and he and Shelley can both go to hell for the way they threw Courtney Smith under the bus.

Absolutely, but most people aren't going to get this, because you have to read like 5k words of journalism to really understand how poorly he behaved there, so it's a non-starter for most people.

[Assembly Hall]

What is the over/under on how many games Urban will coach this year?

[Chip R]

Absolutely, but most people aren't going to get this, because you have to read like 5k words of journalism to really understand how poorly he behaved there, so it's a non-starter for most people.

That was an awful long article.

[Bob Sheed]

I think about Urban Meyer's intentions that evening.
Then I think about that girl's intentions.
Then I think about the intentions of the two people filming Urban Meyer and that girl.

None of it good.

[BernieCarbo]

I think about Urban Meyer's intentions that evening.
Then I think about that girl's intentions.
Then I think about the intentions of the two people filming Urban Meyer and that girl.

None of it good.

It's an age old problem. Bad decisions are a hell of a lot more fun than good decisions.

[Bob Sheed]

It's an age old problem. Bad decisions are a hell of a lot more fun than good decisions.

Indeed.

We live in an age now where there is unprecedented schadenfreude over others' gotchas. I have called it recreational outrage. But many times, it's actually recreational anger. Always recreational judgement though. Even the Jags players, along with many others, are having a good laugh at Urban Meyer's expense. We can probably blame social media for that too.

I don't feel sorry for the guy. He sounds like just another dude who goes through life being ****ty, and rarely has to face consequences for his actions. On the rare occasions he is caught being ****ty, he lies. When his lies are exposed, he apologizes. Rinse, repeat.

I will, however, always find it strange when the developed world pops a big bowl of proverbial popcorn as things like this unfold.

"Are you not entertained?"

No. I am not.

[Todd Gack]

Urban lied his ass off throughout the Zach Smith trainwreck, just as he is quite obviously lying through this trainwreck. I have no problem with his open-marriage, but his phony sanctimony is tough enough to take without him publicly finger-blasting waitresses. Oh, and he and Shelley can both go to hell for the way they threw Courtney Smith under the bus.

Urban has always been a slimy guy. OSU fans forget just how bad things were at Florida with an ungodly amount of off-the-field troubles with his players. It’s was impressive even for SEC standards.

[Stray]

I don't have an opinion either way on the Jags or Urban, but from the outside I never thought he'd care enough to be good at *this* job. Lawrence needs to be paired with someone who's in it with him. Meyer's scandal is hilarious, but even before it nobody believed he was in this for the long haul.

Dunno why they made the hire, but they can fix a wrong and cut bait now. Lawrence is gonna be really good and this year doesn't matter.

[redsfanmia]

Urban has always been a slimy guy. OSU fans forget just how bad things were at Florida with an ungodly amount of off-the-field troubles with his players. It’s was impressive even for SEC standards.

But he had Tebow…

[BernieCarbo]

Indeed.

We live in an age now where there is unprecedented schadenfreude over others' gotchas. I have called it recreational outrage.

Well, it has always been that way. People love it when some holier-than-thou guy gets caught. Remember Margo Adams and Wade Boggs? The difference now is that there are cameras everywhere and more get caught. You can't even have innocent fun anymore without if being captured on a phone. Instead of leading unto the future, technology has taken us back to Victorian Times.

[Todd Gack]

But he had Tebow…

It's amazing how much power Tebow has. He even made Urban seem kinda likable.

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Indeed.

We live in an age now where there is unprecedented schadenfreude over others' gotchas. I have called it recreational outrage. But many times, it's actually recreational anger. Always recreational judgement though. Even the Jags players, along with many others, are having a good laugh at Urban Meyer's expense. We can probably blame social media for that too.

I don't feel sorry for the guy. He sounds like just another dude who goes through life being ****ty, and rarely has to face consequences for his actions. On the rare occasions he is caught being ****ty, he lies. When his lies are exposed, he apologizes. Rinse, repeat.

I will, however, always find it strange when the developed world pops a big bowl of proverbial popcorn as things like this unfold.

"Are you not entertained?"

No. I am not.

I agree. I'm not even outraged by it. It's just a bad look for Urban. No one truly cares though except for the people who already want him fired.

[bucksfan2]

Urban lied his ass off throughout the Zach Smith trainwreck, just as he is quite obviously lying through this trainwreck. I have no problem with his open-marriage, but his phony sanctimony is tough enough to take without him publicly finger-blasting waitresses. Oh, and he and Shelley can both go to hell for the way they threw Courtney Smith under the bus.

I will admit I got pretty into the weeds on this one. And I do not doubt that Urban was CYA the entire time. I also believe that the entire scenario was an immature employee going through a messy divorce that got public. I mean you had McMurphy fighting with Jeff Snook on Facebook, the entire media world descended on Columbus. People were internet experts on everything involved in the case, I swear if I have to hear about Title 9 and Zach Smith again my head may explode.

I will say this, and I do know its not the end all, but nothing criminal ever came of the Smith's battle. I do believe Zach spent time in jail for violating a protection order by trying to pick up his kids from school during an unapproved time (his words I believe.) I could be wrong, but I don't Urban and Shelley threw Courney under the bus, I believe they washed their hands with the Smiths in general.

I know this, and it is pretty well documented, OSU is rather strict on compliance issues and also pretty proactively punitive when it comes to punishment. There are still fans out there mad that OSU played UF in a meaningless bowl game and then suspending themselves from the bowls the next season costing themselves a National Title (they would have played ND in the BCS title game.)

If I am a Jacksonville fan, I am far more worried about Urban running Lawrence as many times as he did and less about him getting grinded up on at a bar. I didn't think Urban would work in the NFL, still don't, but it has little to do with what happened this past weekend.

[Hillsdale87]

Just a matter of time at this point. Without winning football games to cure these issues it can't go on much longer. Not when you have reports that the players think he's full of ****.

Those quotes don't mean anything unless we know who's saying them. The Jags are terrible and were terrible last year. Most of those guys probably need to go before the team actually becomes good. I don't know if Urban is going to be the guy to do it, but it seems funny to me that people are acting like it's a problem that the Jags look bad so far this year when that's what should have been expected based off of the roster and a rookie QB. They've actually played the Cardinals and Bengals, two fairly good teams, pretty well the last two games.

It's not dissimilar to the Bengals last year. There were reports about players hating Zac Taylor and that the Bengals were a disaster. There were certainly some unhappy players, but it doesn't look like it was nearly as bad as the reports made it seem. We'll see through the season if the situation with the Jags is really as bad as some of the reports make it seem.

[Bob Sheed]

Winning Fingerbangs All.

[plantmanky]

Not sure what to say about this. The behavior at the bar with the girl is probably something that has happened with many coaches - especially before everybody had a phone at their fingertips that could take pictures and video. I'm sure there has been more activities that have gone on between coaches and young ladies - especially at colleges. And I would bet a lot of those coaches were married too. But in Urban's case, he is supposed to be an Uber-Christian. I don't want to get too deep into religion here because there's a forum for that but that is not Christian behavior. However, being a Christian means that you sin and when you sin, you seek forgiveness. But Urban has a history of covering up/excusing behavior that is un-Christian.

The thing that bothers me about this incident - besides messing around with that young lady - is the explanation. He said he and his family were out to dinner and some people wanted him to come and take pictures. I'll buy that. If you're Urban Meyer in Columbus, that's very plausible. Then he said they were trying to pull him out on the dance floor. This is where I take issue with his account. I'm not terribly familiar with restaurants in the Columbus area but he took his family out for dinner at a place that has a dance floor? First of all, from the pictures, that place looked like a sports bar. The people there looked like they were dressed for a sports bar. I don't know of a lot of sports bars that have dance floors. But if it was a restaurant that has that dancing, why do you take your family out for dinner there? And if you are out dancing with some young lady or ladies, that's pretty brazen to do that in the same place where your family is. In that one picture he didn't even look like he was dancing. It looked like he was sitting down at a bar and the girl was grinding on him and he was very handsy with her. Again, if his family is there, why is he doing that? It makes no sense. My guess was he was hanging with his family and decided to go out for a pack of smokes or something. But what he really did was to go to some bar. I have no idea why. Maybe he wanted a beer or two and the fam are teetotalers. If this was 15 years ago, I'd say he may have wanted to check up on some of the games that were going on. But you can get all that on your phone now.

To some, it seems the bigger issue is that he didn't fly back with the team. I think that is making a mountain out of a molehill. I'm not totally familiar with the schedule of NFL teams but I'd be willing to bet the players had the weekend off except for those who needed treatment. I don't know about the staff. If Urban gave the staff the weekend off, it shouldn't be a big deal that he stayed behind. But if the staff had to come in and work and he stayed behind, I could see people having a problem with that. A bigger issue is that they are 0-4. If I were the head coach of an 0-4 team, I might be using those extra 3 days to find ways to get better instead of taking the weekend off. I don't think I would bring players in for full contact practice but I might bring them in for walkthroughs and film study. Especially since you have a rookie QB.

There are a lot of cynics out there that say Urban's ready to quit or hoping to get fired. It doesn't appear either one is going to happen now but if you bring someone like Urban in you don't cut bait with him a quarter of the way into the season even if you are 0-4 unless he's committed a major felony. And if Urban took the gig and is hoping to get fired after one season (and get the remainder of his contract) that's somewhat fraudulent. And if he does that and is wanting to take a college gig, I'm not so sure he gets hired after quitting at Florida, quitting at OSU and getting fired at Jacksonville after one season. How do you know he won't bail after a year or two?

You do realized he was at the bar that he co-owns in Columbus right, so why wouldn't he eat there?

[plantmanky]

I can’t see him being fired for this, but I’ll bet the team is going to make a pragmatic buyout offer. Acting like a frat boy when you’re almost 60 years old in a college town isn’t a good look when you’re 0-4.

If he had just won the Super Bowl, he could’ve been caught getting a handy like Bob Kraft, and it would be ignored.

I guess hes just supposed to go home and lock himself in a cage?

[BernieCarbo]

I guess hes just supposed to go home and lock himself in a cage?

Let me see, I wonder if it’s possible for a married 57 year old guy whose wife is babysitting the grandkids to go out and have a great time without coeds grinding against his crotch in a restaurant? He could’ve at least taken it to the backseat of his car like I do.

But I guess in your world, if he can’t do that, he may as well just lock himself in his home.

Correction, lock himself in a cage.

[RedTeamGo!]

Dublin, OH isn’t a college town.

If his name was Kevin Stafanski or Zack Taylor this wouldn’t even remotely be national news.

[bucksfan2]

Dublin, OH isn’t a college town.

If his name was Kevin Stafanski or Zack Taylor this wouldn’t even remotely be national news.

It may not be a college town, but it is still very much an OSU Football town. Urban's Pint House does numerous "Media Outings" where a website or radio station does a live even there.

I would imagine any given night you may see a former OSU football player at Urban's Pint House. I also can see it being exactly the type of place where you can enjoy dinner with your family but then after a certain time, a DJ stars playing and it can get a little louder.

I do agree that if it were Zac Taylor, no one would realize who he was.

[RedTeamGo!]

I know, I’m just responding to Bernie calling it a college town. It ain’t.

[BernieCarbo]

Dublin, OH isn’t a college town.

If his name was Kevin Stafanski or Zack Taylor this wouldn’t even remotely be national news.

I didn’t know it was Dublin, I assumed somewhere in the short north because Columbus was mentioned all over the news. Either way, glad he had fun.

But I don’t know, it seems like if Zack Taylor was 0-4, and he got caught doing that on camera right after another loss while his wife was at home taking care of his four kids, it would probably make the news.

[Redsfaithful]

I thought it was Urban Chophouse in the Short North, not his Dublin restaurant? I might have read incorrectly though.

[bucksfan2]

I didn’t know it was Dublin, I assumed somewhere in the short north because Columbus was mentioned all over the news. Either way, glad he had fun.

But I don’t know, it seems like if Zack Taylor was 0-4, and he got caught doing that on camera right after another loss while his wife was at home taking care of his four kids, it would probably make the news.

Eh, I don't know. I think this has to do more with Urban and his aura than anything else.

Lets be honest, if your average coach walked into a bar, how many people would know who he is? Especially a guy who had been coaching for one season?

To further this, do you know the marital status of any other coach? Or what that coaches significant other looks like? I know what Shelley Meyer looks like, but she may be the only coaches wife in the NFL. Had that been Zac Taylor, there would have been a lot more mystery about who he was, is he married, where is his family etc.

[BernieCarbo]

Well, I guess Zack better get his groove on before he wins at Super Bowl while he can still have some fun.

[Roy Tucker]

I’ve never been famous, so I don’t know what it’s like to just be out at a pub. I would think by now he would have acquired enough common sense to keep himself out of any semblance of impropriety. I’m a happily married man and keeping my marriage happy and stable is my #1 priority. I’ve experienced the flip side and it’s pretty bad.

I will say though that as an older guy, younger women seem to think you are “safe” and will strike up conversations. It’s a running joke with my friends that if we’re at the bar and you’re looking for a good looking woman, they will be over talking to me. I swear to god, I do not encourage it but I suppose I don’t discourage it either. I’m a chatty guy and like I said “safe”. And I know my boundaries. If I start getting soulful looks, I start talking about my wife and kids and how great it all is and oh gee look at the time, gotta get home. It’s certainly not my good looks. I’m an old, balding, fat, out of shape white guy.

[goreds2]

No one is talking about Urban’s first NFL win on Sunday? Was glad to see that for him.

[Rojo Rijo]

No one is talking about Urban’s first NFL win on Sunday? Was glad to see that for him.

As a Jags fan I am far more invested into the progression of Lawrence than I am Urban. While I am happy for Urban i'm more excited about some of the things I saw from Lawrence.

[Redsfaithful]

Yeah Lawrence will be around for the next good Jaguars team, very hard to imagine Urban will be.

[oregonred]

The Jags could easily be 2-2 right now. Lawrence is going to be a handful in the pocket and on the move he is sneaky fast and decisive.

They are going to win some games soon and might be pretty darn dangerous by the middle of the year

The season ending injuries to Chark and Etienne are killer taking away two of the four best offensive weapons

Great time to be in the AFC South while the AFC North and West beat each other up the rest of the way.

Bump for the Jaguars contingent. That was a fun one yesterday with half of Buffalo invading Duuuuvaalll

[WVRed]

Bump for the Jaguars contingent. That was a fun one yesterday with half of Buffalo invading Duuuuvaalll

Happy to see the Jacksonville Josh Allen have the game he did.

Sacked, forced a fumble, and intercepted a player with the same name.

Only time in NFL history that has ever happened.

[Rojo Rijo]

Bump for the Jaguars contingent. That was a fun one yesterday with half of Buffalo invading Duuuuvaalll

Yesterday was.....unexpected. I am starting to warm up to the idea of this team removing itself from the punching bag list and onto the "don't take us lightly list". It's really been up and down all year.

1 - 21-37 at Houston. One game most expected us to win and we didnt come close. HOU led 27-7 at half.
2 - 13-23 v. Denver. At this point one wonders, who can we beat?
3 - 19-31 v. Arizona. We were up 19-10 with 3:00 left in the 3Q. A ARI score + Lawrence next play INT + ARI TD next play and all of the sudden its 23-19 and we were done. But being up 19-10 that late created some hope.
4 - 21-24 at Cincinnati. This one got away. Up 14-0 at half and almost 21-0 but got stuffed on a 4th and 1 at the goal line. Burrow and Co. with a 24-7 whopping in the 2nd half.
5 - 19-37 v. Tennessee. 13-14 game before Tennessee went on a 17-0 run. Offense stalled out and only scored 6 more.
6 - 23-20 v. Miami (London) - WOW we won!? Some good play calling, especially the 4th and 8 slant to Laviska to set up the game winning field goal. All of the sudden, maybe we arent the worst team?
8 - 7-31 at Seattle. Uggghhh. A straight shellacking and against Geno freaking Smith. Almost a shut out until we scored with less than 2 minutes left. Crappy result coming out of a bye week.
9 - 9-6 v. Bills. Ummmm......I cannot explan. Defense played possessed. Only 1 turnover. It's going to be very interesting to see what happens next week at Indianapolis. If this is a sign of things to come this team could win 3-4 more games.

[oregonred]

Yeah the Seattle one was awful, but the Seahawks were playoff dead for 2021 if they didn't win that one at home. We see that over and over circa the Browns yesterday, etc. etc.

[JaxRed]

Today's game will be interesting. If the defense plays like it did against Buffalo, we could be in the game. If it was a fluke, we're in trouble again. Offense (and Trevor) have been mediocre for a while. Need to snap out of it. Biggest takeaway from Sunday's game is that 2nd round draftee Walker Little played pretty well filling in for Cam Robinson. I was hoping Cam would be out another game so we could see Little again, but looks like he will be back.

Robinson will be a free agent, and if we can replace him with a cheap draftee and get same production, it would help Jags. Jags are currently #5 in draft. A couple wins and all of a sudden you'll be middle of the pack when draft time comes around.

[Assembly Hall]

Today's game will be interesting. If the defense plays like it did against Buffalo, we could be in the game. If it was a fluke, we're in trouble again. Offense (and Trevor) have been mediocre for a while. Need to snap out of it. Biggest takeaway from Sunday's game is that 2nd round draftee Walker Little played pretty well filling in for Cam Robinson. I was hoping Cam would be out another game so we could see Little again, but looks like he will be back.

Robinson will be a free agent, and if we can replace him with a cheap draftee and get same production, it would help Jags. Jags are currently #5 in draft. A couple wins and all of a sudden you'll be middle of the pack when draft time comes around.

Roof will be closed. Only "help" I am giving ya.

[Rojo Rijo]

Somehow the final score looked...respectable.

At half Lawrence was 3 for 14 for 36 yards.

I've started to see some questioning Lawrence but im not there yet. I think what we see is a combination of a well below average talented offense and a coaching staff that isnt helping him at all.

[Assembly Hall]

Somehow the final score looked...respectable.

At half Lawrence was 3 for 14 for 36 yards.

I've started to see some questioning Lawrence but im not there yet. I think what we see is a combination of a well below average talented offense and a coaching staff that isnt helping him at all.

I saw a lot of passes dropped/missed. Jags need some more guys with good hands.

[Chip R]

Things just keep getting better and better in Jacksonville and Urban.

https://www.nfl.com/news/tension-boiling-over-between-coach-urban-meyer-jaguars-players-staff?s=09

[BuckeyeRed27]

Things just keep getting better and better in Jacksonville and Urban.

https://www.nfl.com/news/tension-boiling-over-between-coach-urban-meyer-jaguars-players-staff?s=09

It’s like he watched Hue Jackson on Hard Knocks and said “hold my beer”.

[Kingspoint]

I saw a lot of passes dropped/missed. Jags need some more guys with good hands.

Joe B succeeds in spite of all the drops. Jags could have four Jerry Rice's available and Urban would still hand the ball off to Carlos Hyde.

The hiring process in Jacksonville is horribly flawed. Turns out that an Owner can't run a football team like a business and succeed. There actually has to be some instincts about professional football.

[Sea Ray]

Joe B succeeds in spite of all the drops. Jags could have four Jerry Rice's available and Urban would still hand the ball off to Carlos Hyde.

The hiring process in Jacksonville is horribly flawed. Turns out that an Owner can't run a football team like a business and succeed. There actually has to be some instincts about professional football.

Details of the contract are not public but indications are that Urban is being paid $10 mill a year and it's guaranteed. That's not run like a business, at least not a sound one. That's a stupid business decision. The buyout should be reasonable. If Urban balked then you move on and don't hire him. This is really screwing up their generational QB. Unfortunately for Urban, he doesn't have a new recruiting class coming in next year

[Kingspoint]

Details of the contract are not public but indications are that Urban is being paid $10 mill a year and it's guaranteed. That's not run like a business, at least not a sound one. That's a stupid business decision. The buyout should be reasonable. If Urban balked then you move on and don't hire him. This is really screwing up their generational QB. Unfortunately for Urban, he doesn't have a new recruiting class coming in next year

Khan has always run it like a business until that contract.

[Boston Red]

I see Jacksonville ran the ball 8 times for 8 yards yesterday. That's.....interesting.

[Sea Ray]

Lots of issues for the Jags. 4 INTs and a passer rating of 35 for Lawrence isn't good either. I think they'll run for the bus in their remaining games and regroup for next yr. Obviously Meyer and his guaranteed contract is an enormous problem but they do have this going for them: Urban has a history of not dealing with pressure well. He may very well decide he can't handle this heat and quit on them. I think Jax would welcome that. To think at one point Bengal fans were clamoring for Urban

[WVRed]

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/32876891/trevor-lawrence-drama-stop-jacksonville-jaguars-win

Wonder if this could get him fired for cause and Jacksonville not have to pay him?

[goreds2]

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/32876891/trevor-lawrence-drama-stop-jacksonville-jaguars-win

Wonder if this could get him fired for cause and Jacksonville not have to pay him?

He is fired.

[The Operator]

He gone.

I’m trying to remember the last time there was such a high profile coaching disaster and while I’m sure there was one, it just isn’t coming to mind at the moment. Yeesh.


https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/32879774/urban-meyer-jacksonville-jaguars-head-coach-rocky-first-year

[Rojo Rijo]

He gone.

I’m trying to remember the last time there was such a high profile coaching disaster and while I’m sure there was one, it just isn’t coming to mind at the moment. Yeesh.


https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/32879774/urban-meyer-jacksonville-jaguars-head-coach-rocky-first-year

Petrino

[WrongVerb]

So I guess Urban wasn't renewed. :)

[WrongVerb]

He gone.

I’m trying to remember the last time there was such a high profile coaching disaster and while I’m sure there was one, it just isn’t coming to mind at the moment. Yeesh.


https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/32879774/urban-meyer-jacksonville-jaguars-head-coach-rocky-first-year

Steve Spurrier with the WFT.

[Rojo Rijo]

Steve Spurrier with the WFT.

Spurrier didnt work out, just like Saban. Both coached 2 full NFL seasons. I wouldnt put either of those on the same level of disaster as Urban. Petrino is the one that comes to mind as he only made it 13 games.

[WVRed]

If you factor in basketball, John Beilein with the Cavs.

[The Operator]

Yea I saw an article about Petrino which is a pretty good comparison. I’d argue Urban’s is even worse though because Petrino resigned on his own with another job lined up whereas Meyer was fired in disgrace.

Either way, similar for sure.

[The Operator]

Is there a chance that this will limit Meyer’s ability to land a premium college gig again? I mean, assuming he wants work again and not just sit at home with his millions, which is what I would probably do. Lol


Not being an NFL level coach is one thing, but I’d think most major colleges wouldn’t like all the extra curricular things that came out about him, and I’d also think some of those things (especially kicking a player) would probably hurt his recruiting efforts.

I could see a lesser school obviously taking a shot on him, but what are the chances that Urban Meyer would want to coach at Backwoods Nowhere University?

Is it possible this is it for him?

[KoryMac5]

He doesn't need the money and he has won Championships... i would think it is back to TV for him as I am sure the networks are lining up to get him.

Either way I have never seen a Coach go out quite like this...self sabotage.

[bucksfan2]

Urban >>>>>> Stoops on the broadcast.

[Chip R]

Is there a chance that this will limit Meyer’s ability to land a premium college gig again? I mean, assuming he wants work again and not just sit at home with his millions, which is what I would probably do. Lol


Not being an NFL level coach is one thing, but I’d think most major colleges wouldn’t like all the extra curricular things that came out about him, and I’d also think some of those things (especially kicking a player) would probably hurt his recruiting efforts.

I could see a lesser school obviously taking a shot on him, but what are the chances that Urban Meyer would want to coach at Backwoods Nowhere University?

Is it possible this is it for him?

I suppose it depends on your definition of "premium." Is a P5 job at, say, Rutgers premium? Minnesota? Arizona? As for all the extra curricular activities, any college program worth their salt can keep that quiet. If he can get a gig at Backwoods Nowhere University and he does well, he'd probably be untouchable.

[UKFlounder]

I think it might take a year often before he works again either in coaching or tv. Let the stench subside a bit before taking another gig. I’m not sure anybody would want him right now

[Chip R]

I think it might take a year often before he works again either in coaching or tv. Let the stench subside a bit before taking another gig. I’m not sure anybody would want him right now

Not a lot of college gigs open now. If he'd been fired a couple of weeks ago he may have had his pick between Notre Dame, USC, Oklahoma, Florida, Oregon or Miami.

[Sea Ray]

That tenure in Jacksonville was ugly. Although he doesn't need money, I would think he'd want to do something to rebuild his reputation which is in tatters now. I wonder if there'll be a legal battle over the money left on his contract?

[WVRed]

Not that anyone cares what John Calipari thinks but he floated Marvin Lewis as a suggestion.

I kinda like it as far as a players first coach goes.

[KronoRed]

Inevitable, thought he might milk a full year out of it though.

[bucksfan2]

Most OSU fans would have told you this was a bad idea from the start. Anyone who has followed College Football over the past decade could have told you this had disaster written all over it.

Urban was a big culture guy, talked about it constantly. What I think hurts him the most moving forward is he failed to live up to what he preached about.

I thought he was great on the Fox Pregame show, and could have become Fox's Corso or Herbstreit. Now he will have to go on an image rehabilitation tour and will probably migrate to Columbus where he is pretty much beloved.

[GAC]

Most OSU fans would have told you this was a bad idea from the start. Anyone who has followed College Football over the past decade could have told you this had disaster written all over it.

Urban was a big culture guy, talked about it constantly. What I think hurts him the most moving forward is he failed to live up to what he preached about.

I thought he was great on the Fox Pregame show, and could have become Fox's Corso or Herbstreit. Now he will have to go on an image rehabilitation tour and will probably migrate to Columbus where he is pretty much beloved.

I remember when Tressell got fired there were many Brown's fans wanting him to become HC there. I shuddered. lol

Did it hurt Saban and others whose NFL ventures were bust? They seemed to land on their feet alright. Urban still has the fire to coach... and he will. He'll land on his feet, after dusting himself off (and maybe learning something about public personna).

[Bob Sheed]

Couldn't have happened to a nicer guy.

So his swan song was kicking his kicker. Jeez.

[Redsfaithful]

I could be off but it really feels like Urban thought this was a job he could go in and do 20-30 hours a week. Like, he didn't know players names, flying home separately, the bizarre unforced errors where it felt like he wasn't dialed in ...

Meanwhile every other NFL coach is sleeping under their desk and working 120 hours a week.

[WVRed]

Couldn't have happened to a nicer guy.

So his swan song was kicking his kicker. Jeez.

I know we shouldn’t be happy Urban Meyer got fired but I’m sure some people got a real kick out of it.

[KronoRed]

Just been patient last year he could have been setting up shop right now at his dream job in South Bend.

[Stray]

Color me skeptical. Urban has been a scummy dude for a while now. At least dating back to Utah/UF/OSU, etc. Check out the Vrabel handshake from earlier this year, they worked together in the past.

But whenever there's avalanches of bad news it screams coordinated take down to me. I don't think it was a mystery who the Jags hired, they knew then as did everyone in football. They just wanted to be rid of him now and it happened. Could be they were blindsided by how little he actually cared, because he did not care about this job...it was all paychecks.