2021 Cincinnati Bengals: Sewell or Bust!

[Kingspoint]

Mike Brown doesn't trade up in the 1st. Never has. Never will.

That leaves the draft playing the Bengals. Knowing this, Tobin set up a winning scenario if Sewell is gone by grabbing Reiff.

They still aren't passing on Sewell if he's there. Unlike some who don't know anything about Sewell yet make bold statements about him, the Bengals aren't idiots the last 15 months.

[Kingspoint]

Ha. This coming from the elite O-line evaluator who called the Bengals idiots for passing on Lloyd Cushenberry and Netane Muti who both somehow would have made the Bengals OL even worse.

Nobody's saying that Sewell would be a bad pick at 5. PFF thinks he's once in a generation, but most evaluators are not quite that high, even though most have him listed as the top OL in the draft. I think he'd be a great pick at 5, but there will be other elite talents available there. It's not a disaster if the Bengals go elsewhere.

Cushenberry and Muti still would have been better picks. You have no evidence that says they aren't. The only evidence we have is that the Bengals' Guards sucked last year, while their Center wasn't good enough. Since Cushenberry and Muti weren't given starting jobs or had the opportunity to earn one as there were starters ahead of them, we don't know who they will do even on their own teams yet. You have no information that projects how they would have done with the Bengals' O-Line other than they probably would have sucked because their O-Line sucked. I'd still take Muti and Cushenberry over any Offensive Lineman we have other than our Starting Tackles. Those two are going to be in the NFL for a while.

[Tony Cloninger]

Mediocrity in the middle would be fine. Last year they were abysmal up the middle. Can't have that.

Did I say mediocrity. I meant muy malo.

[WVRed]

Mike Brown doesn't trade up in the 1st. Never has. Never will.

That leaves the draft playing the Bengals. Knowing this, Tobin set up a winning scenario if Sewell is gone by grabbing Reiff.

They still aren't passing on Sewell if he's there. Unlike some who don't know anything about Sewell yet make bold statements about him, the Bengals aren't idiots the last 15 months.

Kijana Carter would disagree with you.

[Hillsdale87]

Cushenberry and Muti still would have been better picks. You have no evidence that says they aren't. The only evidence we have is that the Bengals' Guards sucked last year, while their Center wasn't good enough. Since Cushenberry and Muti weren't given starting jobs or had the opportunity to earn one as there were starters ahead of them, we don't know who they will do even on their own teams yet. You have no information that projects how they would have done with the Bengals' O-Line other than they probably would have sucked because their O-Line sucked. I'd still take Muti and Cushenberry over any Offensive Lineman we have other than our Starting Tackles. Those two are going to be in the NFL for a while.

Lloyd Cushenberry had the 8th most snaps of all Centers last year and had a 40.5 PFF grade. Muti couldn't crack the starting lineup but had a 37 PFF grade in his 122 snaps. So actually yes, I do have evidence that they would have been worse. And I'd imagine that they would have been even worse if they were playing alongside the bad lineman for the Bengals.

[membengal]

For the record, I am not anti-Sewell.

I am anti-ITHASTOBESEWELLORTHEWORLDENDS

That's the part I am anti. That is just wrong.

Also, Daniel Jeremiah knows more than you, Kingspoint. So there's one analyst that has Sewell as not the 1st overall T on his board.

[WrongVerb]

Tom Pelissero
@TomPelissero
Multiple teams have called to inquire about #Bengals RB Giovani Bernard, per source. Barring a restructured contract, Bernard — one of the NFL’s top receiving backs and still only 29 — could be headed elsewhere.
10:20 AM · Mar 25, 2021

[bucksfan2]

Gio isn't a starting RB. He is a good receiving back, good 3rd down back, and a very good blocker. Is a luxury back, one that the Bengals probably don't need at this point.

[Todd Gack]

For the record, I am not anti-Sewell.

I am anti-ITHASTOBESEWELLORTHEWORLDENDS

That's the part I am anti. That is just wrong.

Also, Daniel Jeremiah knows more than you, Kingspoint. So there's one analyst that has Sewell as not the 1st overall T on his board.

What's our track record on developing OL?

[RiverRat13]

Word on Twitter is that Joe is stumping for Chase at 5.

[Hillsdale87]

Word on Twitter is that Joe is stumping for Chase at 5.

Not just Twitter. That's coming from Albert Breer's mock draft today.

[Hillsdale87]

For the record, I am not anti-Sewell.

I am anti-ITHASTOBESEWELLORTHEWORLDENDS

That's the part I am anti. That is just wrong.

Also, Daniel Jeremiah knows more than you, Kingspoint. So there's one analyst that has Sewell as not the 1st overall T on his board.

Lance Zierlein at NFL.com also has Slater above Sewell, but he really likes both. Matt Miller mentioned that multiple NFL personnel guys have told him that they like Slater more, but more people like Sewell over Slater.

The point is that none of us really know anything. They're both great prospects. Chase is also a great prospect. The guys at PFF even seem to be split on who the Bengals should take. It seems like they think Sewell is the better prospect, but Chase plays the more valuable position, so they've had some mocks where the Bengals take Sewell and some where they take Chase. Either way, both of these guys have superstar potential, and so I'll be excited on draft day either way.

[Bob Sheed]

The big question here, I know everyone wants to know, if the Bengals pass on Sewell for a skill position player like Chase:

When Burrow gets destroyed again, because they didn't fix the line, was Chase open when it happened? Because that's the important part here.

[membengal]

QB1 is making his preference known, so...take it up with him?

Stop acting like RT hasn't been upgraded and that G will also be addressed, even if not in round 1.

[membengal]

...double post.

[Todd Gack]

The big question here, I know everyone wants to know, if the Bengals pass on Sewell for a skill position player like Chase:

When Burrow gets destroyed again, because they didn't fix the line, was Chase open when it happened? Because that's the important part here.

If they draft anyone but an OL with that first pick and Joey B gets hurt again because of it, the PR will be incredible and I will be here for it.

[WVRed]

The big question here, I know everyone wants to know, if the Bengals pass on Sewell for a skill position player like Chase:

When Burrow gets destroyed again, because they didn't fix the line, was Chase open when it happened? Because that's the important part here.

Does anyone buy into the theory that having good skill players who can do their jobs help the offensive line perform at a higher level?

If that’s the case, take Chase or Pitts, another interior lineman in round 2, and things should work out.

[Tony Cloninger]

Does anyone buy into the theory that having good skill players who can do their jobs help the offensive line perform at a higher level?

If that’s the case, take Chase or Pitts, another interior lineman in round 2, and things should work out.

I would rather have an OL like the Cowboys had 2 years ago or the Steelers used to that makes both the QB and WR look even better than they are. Even if they don’t need to look better.

[Hillsdale87]

Does anyone buy into the theory that having good skill players who can do their jobs help the offensive line perform at a higher level?

If that’s the case, take Chase or Pitts, another interior lineman in round 2, and things should work out.

Yes. If WRs can get immediate separation then the OL doesn't have to block as long. I think the question is whether you think an elite WR corps or elite OL are more valuable. If the Bengals went WR at 5 and OL at 38, I think they could have an average OL and top level pass catchers. If they went OL then WR, I think they could have a good OL and decent pass catchers. I would prefer the first scenario. PFF has shown that elite WRs are more valuable than elite OLs. But I think both Sewell and Chase can be great, so I'm not going to be upset with anybody who gets taken at 5.


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[RedTeamGo!]

Filed to ESPN: Dolphins trading No. 3 overall pick to the San Francisco 49ers for the No. 12 pick, a 2021 third-round pick (SF’s comp pick for Robert Saleh hiring) and first-round picks in 2022 and 2023, per sources.

Blockbuster deal with massive ramifications for years to come.

49ers going to take a QB at 3. So, that means either Chase or Sewell will absolutely be available at 5. Have to figure the Falcons will either pick Chase or trade down. This sets up the bengals pick being talked about for a decade to come because they are absolutely going to have their choice of Sewell or Pitts/WR

[KoryMac5]

49ers going to take a QB at 3. So, that means either Chase or Sewell will absolutely be available at 5. Have to figure the Falcons will either pick Chase or trade down. This sets up the bengals pick being talked about for a decade to come because they are absolutely going to have their choice of Sewell or Pitts/WR

I am starting to think Chase...

[RiverRat13]

That Texans win was a disaster.

[WrongVerb]

Yeah, I think it'll end up being Chase at #5, and the best OT available for the Bengals at #37. DE or CB in the 3rd round. IOL in the 4th. WR in the 5th. BPA after that.

[WrongVerb]

Goodberry
@JoeGoodberry

My take on the Bengals board as of today

1. Penei Sewell
2. Ja'Marr Chase

3. Trade

4. Devonta Smith
5. Rashawn Slater
6. Kyle Pitts
10:55am · 26 Mar 2021

[Ohayou]

49ers going to take a QB at 3. So, that means either Chase or Sewell will absolutely be available at 5. Have to figure the Falcons will either pick Chase or trade down. This sets up the bengals pick being talked about for a decade to come because they are absolutely going to have their choice of Sewell or Pitts/WR

Most people on /r/falcons want Sewell over Chase. In fact, I've rarely seen Chase's name brought up with them. Everything I've read about the Falcons point towards Sewell, Pitts, Lance/Fields or trading down.

[RiverRat13]

Most people on /r/falcons want Sewell over Chase. In fact, I've rarely seen Chase's name brought up with them. Everything I've read about the Falcons point towards Sewell, Pitts, Lance/Fields or trading down.If the Falcons don't take a QB, they'd be crazy not to trade down. They probably don't want to trade within the division with Carolina at 8, but could pull something with Denver at 9. If ATL takes Sewell or Chase, I'd let Denver and Carolina (and maybe even NE) get into a bidding war at 5. The Bengals could probably still get Slater at 8 and make Carolina give up at minimum their 2nd round pick. Could probably get a 1st or 2nd in 2022 as well.

[Todd Gack]

That Texans win was a disaster.

"We needed that win for confidence going into next year."

[Kingspoint]

We now know that Quarterbacks will go 1-2-3.

Sewell can only go #4 for him not to be available to the Bengals.

Dolphins have no interest in a QB and want their choice of WR's at #6.

Everything could not have played out better for the Bengals.

[KoryMac5]

I would think the Panthers and or Denver will be on the phone with Atlanta or the Bengals heading up to the draft.

[Kingspoint]

I would think the Panthers and or Denver will be on the phone with Atlanta or the Bengals heading up to the draft.

They'll also be on the phone with MIA for that 6th pick knowing that CIN won't take a QB.

[KoryMac5]

The talks with the 49ers must have been fairly serious as Pollack was working out USC OL Alijah Vera-Tucker this past week, he is mocked to go around the 12th pick of the draft. SF ended up going as high as they could and paid a steep price.

All signs point to a trade back at this point for Slater or the kid from USC..according to Dehner.

[WrongVerb]

I think the Dolphins did a big service to the Bengals. Any team that wants its selection of player after four QB come off the board might consider trading into the fifth pick. It would be way more valuable if one of the first four teams don't select a QB though.

[Ohayou]

Unless the Bengals got a massive haul in return, I'd be upset if Sewell was on the board and they opted to trade down.

Ideally, I want Sewell+Marshall 1-2 or Chase+Leatherwood/Cosmi.

[Playadlc]

Is everyone assuming Jonah moves inside if they take Sewell?

[WVRed]

Is everyone assuming Jonah moves inside if they take Sewell?

Somewhat.

He’s got short arms for a tackle which was speculated when he was drafted that he could eventually transition inside to guard.

Reiff can also move inside to guard if needed.

[membengal]

Is everyone assuming Jonah moves inside if they take Sewell?

No.

Reiff would play G before Jonah would.

Also, plenty of support for Sewell starting at G for year 1 and then moving outside. Jonathan Ogden did that once upon a time. Whit more recently.

[membengal]

Which do you like better? PFF engine - no trades.

Option 1 (the Chase option):

Round 1 Pick 5 Ja'Marr Chase, WR, LSU
Round 2 Pick 38, Sam Cosmi, T, Texas
Round 3 Pick 69, Ben Cleveland, G, Georgia
Round 4 Pick 111, Patrick Jones II, Edge, Pitt
Round 5, Pick 149, Milton Williams, IDL, La Tech
Round 6, Pick 190, D'Wayne Eskridge, WR, Western Mich
Round 6, Pick 202, Terron Jackson, Edge, Coastal Carolina
Round 7, Pick 235, Josh Imatorbhebhe, WR, Illinois

Option 2 (the Sewell option):

Round 1 Pick 5 Penei Sewell, T, Oregon
Round 2 Pick 38, Dyami Brown, WR, North Carolina
Round 3 Pick 69, Creed Humphrey, IOL, Oklahoma
Round 4 Pick 111, Jay Tufule, IDL, USC
Round 5, Pick 149, Jaylen Twyman, Edge, Pitt
Round 6, Pick 190, Milton Williams, IDL, La Tech
Round 6, Pick 202, Frank Darby, WR, Arizona State
Round 7, Pick 235, Josh Imatorbhebhe, WR, Illinois

For me, it's a borderline coin flip. I would lean the Chase/T over the Sewell/WR but it's really close. I think this shows why I am not on the Sewell or bust train. Both solutions are very, very workable and would help this team in 2021 and beyond.

[forfreelin04]

Which do you like better? PFF engine - no trades.

Option 1 (the Chase option):

Round 1 Pick 5 Ja'Marr Chase, WR, LSU
Round 2 Pick 38, Sam Cosmi, T, Texas
Round 3 Pick 69, Ben Cleveland, G, Georgia
Round 4 Pick 111, Patrick Jones II, Edge, Pitt
Round 5, Pick 149, Milton Williams, IDL, La Tech
Round 6, Pick 190, D'Wayne Eskridge, WR, Western Mich
Round 6, Pick 202, Terron Jackson, Edge, Coastal Carolina
Round 7, Pick 235, Josh Imatorbhebhe, WR, Illinois

Option 2 (the Sewell option):

Round 1 Pick 5 Penei Sewell, T, Oregon
Round 2 Pick 38, Dyami Brown, WR, North Carolina
Round 3 Pick 69, Creed Humphrey, IOL, Oklahoma
Round 4 Pick 111, Jay Tufule, IDL, USC
Round 5, Pick 149, Jaylen Twyman, Edge, Pitt
Round 6, Pick 190, Milton Williams, IDL, La Tech
Round 6, Pick 202, Frank Darby, WR, Arizona State
Round 7, Pick 235, Josh Imatorbhebhe, WR, Illinois

For me, it's a borderline coin flip. I would lean the Chase/T over the Sewell/WR but it's really close. I think this shows why I am not on the Sewell or bust train. Both solutions are very, very workable and would help this team in 2021 and beyond.

Mem,

I thought you were riding shotgun on the Sewell bandwagon. What happened?

Chase could be a great player, but WR is not a need on this team IMO. Tyler Boyd doesn't become a UFA for three more seasons, and Higgins will only be in his second year. I can't think of many teams that have three fringe number 1 wideouts probably because you can only throw the ball to 1 guy at a time. I just don't think receivers push the needle much for teams. Also, I shudder to think how many times Opie Taylor will throw the ball with Chase on the team. Another good way to keep Joe upright is not to fall in love with the pass.

For me, it's Sewell or trade back to stockpile picks. They are plenty of offensive lineman further down the board in round 1. There are also could be some strong O line guys that fall to the Bengals in the second round.
,
Personally, I'd trade back and get a haul from someone like the Panthers who need a QB; especially if they offer a number 1 pick in 2022. Chances are at the 8th pick one of Sewell, Chase, and Slater are still sitting there. Also to throw a wild card out there, how about Patrick Surtain?

If it were me, I'd trade back and go with either Sewell/Slater/or Chase depending on whose there. Then I would take one of Terrance Marshall, Rondale Moore, Wyatt Davis, Cosmi, or the best CB on the board.

[WrongVerb]

Which do you like better? PFF engine - no trades.

Option 1 (the Chase option):

Round 1 Pick 5 Ja'Marr Chase, WR, LSU
Round 2 Pick 38, Sam Cosmi, T, Texas
Round 3 Pick 69, Ben Cleveland, G, Georgia
Round 4 Pick 111, Patrick Jones II, Edge, Pitt
Round 5, Pick 149, Milton Williams, IDL, La Tech
Round 6, Pick 190, D'Wayne Eskridge, WR, Western Mich
Round 6, Pick 202, Terron Jackson, Edge, Coastal Carolina
Round 7, Pick 235, Josh Imatorbhebhe, WR, Illinois

Option 2 (the Sewell option):

Round 1 Pick 5 Penei Sewell, T, Oregon
Round 2 Pick 38, Dyami Brown, WR, North Carolina
Round 3 Pick 69, Creed Humphrey, IOL, Oklahoma
Round 4 Pick 111, Jay Tufule, IDL, USC
Round 5, Pick 149, Jaylen Twyman, Edge, Pitt
Round 6, Pick 190, Milton Williams, IDL, La Tech
Round 6, Pick 202, Frank Darby, WR, Arizona State
Round 7, Pick 235, Josh Imatorbhebhe, WR, Illinois

For me, it's a borderline coin flip. I would lean the Chase/T over the Sewell/WR but it's really close. I think this shows why I am not on the Sewell or bust train. Both solutions are very, very workable and would help this team in 2021 and beyond.

I see I'm not the only one intrigued by Imatorbhebhe.

[membengal]

Love him. LOVE him. I can't not pick him. I keep thinking the big boards that have him around 200 are just insanely wrong on him.

@forfree -- i have never been sewell or bust. At any point. Our WR room is a shell of itself after Boyd and Higgins. God forbid one of those two get hurt. They need to draft 3 WRs ideally, in my view. If it starts with Chase, fine by me.

[WrongVerb]

Love him. LOVE him. I can't not pick him. I keep thinking the big board that have him around 200 are just insanely wrong on him.

@forfree -- i have never been sewell or bust. At any point. Our WR room is a shell of itself after Boyd and Higgins. God forbid one of those two get hurt. They need to draft 3 WRs ideally, in my view. If it starts with Chase, fine by me.

I know what you mean. I'm the same with many of my mocks. The other hidden gem WR I have an eye on is Powell from Clemson.

[KoryMac5]

Sewell's pro day is April 2nd...

[Hillsdale87]

I know what you mean. I'm the same with many of my mocks. The other hidden gem WR I have an eye on is Powell from Clemson.

Isn't Powell primarily a slot guy? He seems like a good prospect, but not an outside WR, which is what we need


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[membengal]

We do have an opening at back-up slot w/ Erickson gone. And Powell would be a good special teams guy. I like him late.

[adkindo]

Why are many of the recent mocks not selecting Sewell for the Bengals. It would have seemed like a lock a few weeks ago as almost every mock had Sewell as the pick....but recent ones have him slipping.

[texasdave]

It seems as if a team could lock down the left tackle position for the next decade or so, that would be the way to go.

[adkindo]

It seems as if a team could lock down the left tackle position for the next decade or so, that would be the way to go.

that would be my strategy....Offensive Tackles, Defensive lineman, Defensive edge rushers, and cornerbacks are usually the way to go if needed in the 1st round......unless you have a very high pick and need a QB.

[Hillsdale87]

We do have an opening at back-up slot w/ Erickson gone. And Powell would be a good special teams guy. I like him late.

Yeah, I was wrong about Powell. I got him mixed up with the other Clemson WR, Rodgers, who is generally mocked around the 3rd round. I like the idea of Powell late if he's available.

[membengal]

It seems as if a team could lock down the left tackle position for the next decade or so, that would be the way to go.

They already employ Jonah Williams. So, they would argue they have done that.

[adkindo]

The latest PFF mock has the Bengals taking Kyle Pitts (TE - Florida)


5. CINCINNATI BENGALS — TE KYLE PITTS, FLORIDA
While there is a chance a team is desperate enough to inquire about the Bengals’ pick at No. 5 in an attempt to secure Mac Jones, I expect there to be a calmer market for the former ‘Bama quarterback’s services. And if that is the case and the team’s phone isn’t ringing with trade-down offers, Cincinnati should sprint the card in for Florida tight end Kyle Pitts.

Pitts and former Oregon offensive tackle Penei Sewell are similar in that they’re both arguably the best prospects we’ve seen at their respective positions in five-plus years. You can’t go wrong with either player at No. 5 overall, but the bigger impact in the wins column (and Joe Burrow’s development) comes with adding Pitts as a weapon for the offense than securing Sewell's services as an upgrade over either former first-round pick Jonah Williams or newly signed veteran Riley Reiff.

Pitts can immediately be the Bengals’ top receiving option and a top-five tight end in the NFL as a rookie — he’s that good.

https://www.pff.com/news/draft-two-round-2021-nfl-mock-draft-san-francisco-49ers-justin-fields-kyle-pitts-joe-burrow-cincinnati-bengals

[RiverRat13]

Why are many of the recent mocks not selecting Sewell for the Bengals. It would have seemed like a lock a few weeks ago as almost every mock had Sewell as the pick....but recent ones have him slipping.

Not everyone thinks he is a generational prospect. Plus you can probably get a solid starter in round 2, especially since whoever they take will not be the starting left tackle.

The word is SF traded up to take Mac Jones. That means there could still be action at #5. I think the Bengals could trade back to 8 or 9 and still get Sewell. Probably would not get Chase or Pitts if they went back that far.

[RedTeamGo!]

This draft is going to be so fun to watch. If the Bengals draft a tight end this thread is going to be really fun.

[oregonred]

If Mac Jones somehow finds his way into the top 4, the Bengals could trade back to Carolina's spot at #8 and still end up with one of Chase, Pitts or Sewell

[membengal]

Daniel Jeremiah's revised/updated top 50 is out and Penei Sewell is...12th.

[KoryMac5]

Eagles traded back with the Dolphins based on knowledge that the Bengals are taking Chase...per SI

https://www.si.com/nfl/2021/03/29/mmqb-inside-49ers-dolphins-trade-nfl-draft

Cool article really shows how these trades work...

[RiverRat13]

Daniel Jeremiah's revised/updated top 50 is out and Penei Sewell is...12th.

I'm still pro Sewell (he'll be 20 years old Week 1 - tons of upside), but staying at 5 and taking him is looking more like poor value. Trade back to 8/9, take Sewell (or Slater if Sewell is gone), then use your 2nd round pick and the additional pick (probably a 2nd) at WR. So maybe you'd get Sewell, Elijah Moore and Dyami Brown. Or stay at 5 to take Chase, then you use your 2nd and 3rd round picks at OL.

[WVRed]

This draft is going to be so fun to watch. If the Bengals draft a tight end this thread is going to be really fun.

If the Bengals take Pitts you, membengal, and I might be the only ones not carrying torches and pitchforks.

[bucksfan2]

If the Bengals take Pitts you, membengal, and I might be the only ones not carrying torches and pitchforks.

It will be an all out mutiny!

[Todd Gack]

If the Bengals take Pitts you, membengal, and I might be the only ones not carrying torches and pitchforks.

Honestly, I won't care as it'll just be "par for the course" for this organization. But if we don't draft Sewell and he's available, who's our backup tackle/guard when inevitably one of those main guys gets hurt next year? Our supposed 2nd round pick?

[Hillsdale87]

If the Bengals take Pitts you, membengal, and I might be the only ones not carrying torches and pitchforks.

I will also be fine with it. Pitts is a unique weapon. A lot of draft guys have him as a top 4 player. I'd prefer Chase or Sewell, but all 3 are elite prospects. If Taylor thinks he can use Pitts more effectively than Chase, then I'll trust him.

[Boss-Hog]

Nothing I've heard from those whose job is to cover the team indicates they'd consider Pitts - even with a trade back. Unless this is some huge smokescreen that's convinced all their media, I don't think he's on their radar at all. I suspect it's Sewell, Chase or a trade back.

[membengal]

What Boss said.

I think their lean is Chase, but, yeah, Sewell, Chase or tradeback.

[redsfandan]

Nothing I've heard from those whose job is to cover the team indicates they'd consider Pitts - even with a trade back. Unless this is some huge smokescreen that's convinced all their media, I don't think he's on their radar at all. I suspect it's Sewell, Chase or a trade back.

Trade back, trade back, PLEASE trade back.

[RedTeamGo!]

If the Bengals take Pitts you, membengal, and I might be the only ones not carrying torches and pitchforks.

Well, I won’t because I’m not a bengals fan, but I strongly believe drafting a TE early in the first round is flat out insane.

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Daniel Jeremiah's revised/updated top 50 is out and Penei Sewell is...12th.

It seems like you always cite Jeremiah when poo pooing Sewell. At this point it just kind of seems like Jeremiah is biased against him.

[KoryMac5]

Jerimiah is down on him because he hasn't played in a year and his level of competition in the Pac 10 was less than stellar...he fell in love with Slaters games against Chase Young which is why he is higher on Slater...

Dane Brugler has Chase at 4 and Sewell at 5 for what is it worth...

I would go Chase and hit up OL in the 2nd and then again in the 4th...draft is deep in OL talent.

[Hillsdale87]

It seems like you always cite Jeremiah when poo pooing Sewell. At this point it just kind of seems like Jeremiah is biased against him.

Jeremiah is not biased against him. He thinks Sewell has the most upside of any lineman in the draft. It seems like Jeremiah has the same concerns that most evaluators have, but he is just less sold on Sewell definitely correcting his flaws than other guys.

I will be thrilled with Sewell. I think membengal will be thrilled with Sewell. But he's just pointing out that it doesn't mean The Bengals are being crazy or negligent if they don't select him at 5, and I agree.

[membengal]

I would indeed be very happy with Sewell. But it is worth noting that GENERATIONAL prospects don't usually end up 12th on big boards from draft sharps like Daniel Jeremiah. Sewell comes with questions. If he had played in 2020 that might have answered those questions - but...he didn't. So we have only 19 games from him, and a year and a half off until camp. There are things he has to work on that are, at this point, projection. He isn't a perfect prospect.

I listened to the Robert Mays pod that dropped earlier today that had Jeremiah on as a guest - he said that in his view and from talking to teams that Chase and Pitts among non-QBs are on a tier by themselves and it is not close. He still says teams have Sewell and Slater grouped together - and well behind Chase/Pitts. Said Chase is basically "fast Anquan Boldin" which would be amazing as Boldin was a monster.

It is what it is. This thread is entitled "Sewell or bust". I have been consistent for months that is misplaced. Sewell may well be the pick. But it is really VERY possible that Chase is the prospect with a higher ceiling. That being the case, I look to depth at the two positions and, for 2021, o-line is REALLY deep while WR at the outside is not as deep (it IS a deep draft for slot WRs but we have Boyd and I sure as hell am not looking to replace Tyler Boyd). So, yeah, Chase plus an o-line pick at 38 in a deep draft is, for me, a better approach than Sewell and reach for a WR in 2 or 3. But I get why they might go Sewell and won't yell if they do. Altho I will yell if they do and keep ignoring their gaping need at WR. I will also yell if they go Chase and then don't address o-line at 38.

[forfreelin04]

Just read the article, my thoughts are it's going to be Chase if he's there. I don't wonder if Zac isn't licking his chops creating a true triple threat at Wide Receiver. When the McVay offense was really clicking, it was Woods, Cooks, and Kupp. And you could even make a claim that Josh Reynolds wasn't too bad. Tyler Boyd has two years left on his deal. Strike while the iron is hot? A Boyd, Chase, and Higgins combo is a nightmare matchup for defenses.

If Chase is taken, I expect they'll take the USC guy Pollak was working out if he's there in the second. If not, they'll at least take the next best available O lineman...then just go O line, CB, DE the rest of the way out.

[Tony Cloninger]

I was hoping Kerrigan or the Seattle DT would be signed but as usual it’s about just replacing what you lost in FA and not really improving. Other than the T they signed. Can someone explain the DC philosophy other than alienating every player and not being able to rush the QB.

[adkindo]

Well, I won’t because I’m not a bengals fan, but I strongly believe drafting a TE early in the first round is flat out insane.

I think drafting a TE with a Top 5 pick is "bold", but I have no issue with drafting a TE in the 1st Round if you think they can have a big impact on your team. I think Gronk and Ertz were 2nd Round guys....but would anyone complain in hindsight if they were taken in the 1st Round? I was very pleased when the Bucs took OJ Howard in the 1st Round....I had no idea injuries would limit his production early on in his career. I think Pitts is on that level if not a slightly better prospect.

[RiverRat13]

My guess at the Bengals' protocol:

Chase
Trade Down (If Chase is gone at 4)
Sewell (Chase is gone and no decent trade offer)

[membengal]

This made me laugh - worth following the link. Enjoy. I am off to get my bicycle...

https://twitter.com/JoeGoodberry/status/1376735697697173508?s=20

[Bob Sheed]

Chase reminds me of Peter Warrick. Chase has even returned a few punts and kickoffs.

[membengal]

Chase reminds me of Peter Warrick. Chase has even returned a few punts and kickoffs.

Lol. NO.

Chase is like two Peter Warricks put together in terms of physicality. The comp for Warrick you are looking for is Devonta Smith crossed with Jaylen Waddle.

[Bob Sheed]

Lol. NO.

Chase is like two Peter Warricks put together in terms of physicality. The comp for Warrick you are looking for is Devonta Smith crossed with Jaylen Waddle.

Chase is listed at 6'0'', which means he is most likely more like 5'10 0r 5'11''. How do you send a guy like that over the middle in the NFL? Remember what the knock was about Warrick in the NFL? "He couldn't get open." Remember why? Alligator arms after getting his bell rung getting hung out to dry over the middle one too many times.

Yes I know we have our Wes Welkers and Desean Jacksons of the world who are perfectly successful in the NFL. But his size, combined with the fact that he sat out all of last season so no tape, are two pretty big red flags. (Yes I know Sewell sat out too. Same red flag.)

And I'll add this: Why are players' stock rising and falling at this point? Did they just play some more games or something? "Sewell's really falling lately, might be there at 8 or 9." Why? How could his value have possibly changed between now and last week? :lol:

Anyway... I'll be happy with either Chase or Sewell. But if they take Pitts and turn him into Ron Dugans, that will be annoying.

[membengal]

Good lord, Bob. There are more to measurements than height. Have you SEEN a picture of Ja'Marr Chase? His calves are bigger than Peter Warrick was. He's the poster child for AFC North WR. He had 1780 yards and 20 TDs as a 19-year-old against literal NFL future CBs - who he murdered off the line, and over the middle. There is a LOT of video you can easily watch from 2019. I get that you want Sewell, but you won't talk me into that by claiming that Ja'Marr Chase is Peter Warrick. That's effin' insane.

[bucksfan2]

Good lord, Bob. There are more to measurements than height. Have you SEEN a picture of Ja'Marr Chase? His calves are bigger than Peter Warrick was. He's the poster child for AFC North WR. He had 1780 yards and 20 TDs as a 19-year-old against literal NFL future CBs - who he murdered off the line, and over the middle. There is a LOT of video you can easily watch from 2019. I get that you want Sewell, but you won't talk me into that by claiming that Ja'Marr Chase is Peter Warrick. That's effin' insane.

Chase played with two other first round draft picks at WR and a 1st round RB out of the backfield. Oh and a Heisman winning QB who was the #1 overall pick in the draft. Lets not assume like he did it all himself.

Chase may very well be a great WR, but unless he is the elite of the elite, a future All-Pro at that position, it will have been a mistake to take him over Sewell.

The way I look at it is the Bengals need a T of the future out of this draft. If you get Sewell (or Slater for that matter) your entire draft is wide open. If you draft Chase at #5 then you pretty much pigeonhole yourself needing to take T in the 2nd. In typical Bengals fashion, they will take Chase, see the T they want go 2 spots ahead of them, and then reach for a T with their pick.

If you can't protect the QB you can't be successful in the NFL. Chase will do nothing to protect Burrow, its not a risk they can take. But unfortunately the Bengals will take that risk and will be searching for a T in the next draft.

[Bob Sheed]

Comparing Chase to Warrick is a pretty hot take, I'll concede that.

But they need a difference-maker at LT more than they need one at WR. Williams hasn't shown he can stay healthy, and the other guy is on the back 9 of his career and on a one-year deal.

Also, guys like Burrow don't really need guys like Chase. Give Burrow a clean pocket and time, and he'll shred you with backup WRs.

Give a guy like Burrow no time and elite WRs and... well, you can watch Mahommes in the Super Bowl for that result. Which wasn't lost on the Chiefs GM either obviously based on their free agency activity.

Meanwhile here, we want to take more skill players.

[RedTeamGo!]

Comparing Chase to Warrick is a pretty hot take, I'll concede that.

But they need a difference-maker at LT more than they need one at WR. Williams hasn't shown he can stay healthy, and the other guy is on the back 9 of his career and on a one-year deal.

Also, guys like Burrow don't really need guys like Chase. Give Burrow a clean pocket and time, and he'll shred you with backup WRs.

Give a guy like Burrow no time and elite WRs and... well, you can watch Mahommes in the Super Bowl for that result. Which wasn't lost on the Chiefs GM either obviously based on their free agency activity.

Meanwhile here, we want to take more skill players.

Precisely.

And Mahomes is significantly better than Burrow at this point. And even he could not do anything with no protection. Burrow is years away from being on Mahomes level, and if he is not adequately protected he will never get there.

[forfreelin04]

We might look back on 2021 Free Agency and say the best deal was simply getting rid of Bobby Hart. I swear he had photos of Mikey Boy in a dress. He was easily the worst O lineman I've ever seen on an NFL field.

[membengal]

Does it bother any of the Sewell or bust folks that he only has 19 games, and the only NFL caliber DEs he faced he struggled against? (Utah w/ Anae and the Auburn game?)

[membengal]

What is a hot take is comparing the injury-addled KC line in the Super Bowl to a team that starts the year with Williams and Reif as its tackles. They need a RG. Preferably one who can be RT in a year. They can get that at 38. They can get that with Sewell. Sewell is NOT necessary, though. If they go with him, fine. But, again, this Sewell or bust stuff is not well taken.

[RedTeamGo!]

Does it bother any of the Sewell or bust folks that he only has 19 games, and the only NFL caliber DEs he faced he struggled against? (Utah w/ Anae and the Auburn game?)

And Chase Young had a bad game against Michigan his junior year. Whoopdy do.

[bucksfan2]

Does it bother any of the Sewell or bust folks that he only has 19 games, and the only NFL caliber DEs he faced he struggled against? (Utah w/ Anae and the Auburn game?)

Sewell, Slatter, and Chase sat out their Jr seasons. The three likely guys the Bengals target with their pick. Its somewhat concerning, but Sewell has been the consensus #1 tackle for two seasons now.

Does it bother you at all the amount of talent Chase played with at LSU?

[UKFlounder]

Hart was bad, but their guards, especially Michael Err Jordan and Redmond, might have been worse.

Reinforce was a good get, but failing to address guard has been a mistake IMO




We might look back on 2021 Free Agency and say the best deal was simply getting rid of Bobby Hart. I swear he had photos of Mikey Boy in a dress. He was easily the worst O lineman I've ever seen on an NFL field.

[Todd Gack]

Good lord, Bob. There are more to measurements than height. Have you SEEN a picture of Ja'Marr Chase? His calves are bigger than Peter Warrick was. He's the poster child for AFC North WR. He had 1780 yards and 20 TDs as a 19-year-old against literal NFL future CBs - who he murdered off the line, and over the middle. There is a LOT of video you can easily watch from 2019. I get that you want Sewell, but you won't talk me into that by claiming that Ja'Marr Chase is Peter Warrick. That's effin' insane.

With Burrow last year and Chase this year, sounds like you'll go skiing with both.

[Hillsdale87]

Comparing Chase to Warrick is a pretty hot take, I'll concede that.

But they need a difference-maker at LT more than they need one at WR. Williams hasn't shown he can stay healthy, and the other guy is on the back 9 of his career and on a one-year deal.

Also, guys like Burrow don't really need guys like Chase. Give Burrow a clean pocket and time, and he'll shred you with backup WRs.

Give a guy like Burrow no time and elite WRs and... well, you can watch Mahommes in the Super Bowl for that result. Which wasn't lost on the Chiefs GM either obviously based on their free agency activity.

Meanwhile here, we want to take more skill players.

I don't understand why people keep using the Chiefs as an example. They got to the Super Bowl with a patchwork offensive line! That's a pretty big success. Yes, they lost and looked bad in that game, but Mahomes played behind a bad OL all year (3 backups started basically the whole year), and they lost 1 game during the regular season. Losing the fourth starter proved to be too much. The Bengals OL is better than what the Chiefs rolled out in the Super Bowl. So yes, I agree with everybody that the Bengals need a better OL than the all backups OL that the Chiefs rolled out, but that doesn't mean they need an elite OL.

Also, I see people say that great QBs don't need great WRs. That just isn't the case. PFF ranks WR as the 2nd most important position behind QB. Burrow played behind a mediocre OL with great WRs at LSU. That worked out pretty well.

[Hillsdale87]

Sewell, Slatter, and Chase sat out their Jr seasons. The three likely guys the Bengals target with their pick. Its somewhat concerning, but Sewell has been the consensus #1 tackle for two seasons now.

Does it bother you at all the amount of talent Chase played with at LSU?

No it doesn't. Justin Jefferson played with the same talent and had an incredible rookie season. And basically everybody thinks Chase is a lot better than Jefferson.

[RiverRat13]

Does it bother you at all the amount of talent Chase played with at LSU?

Why would it? He was better than Justin Jefferson at LSU and Jefferson tore up the league as a rookie. Burrow played with all of that talent and held up well as a rookie QB. I don't get why that would be a concern with taking Chase.

Elite skill with adequate line>adequate skill with elite line. The question is whether they would be adequate with pick #38 starting at RG or do they need Sewell to get there. Had they signed Zeitler or Linsley (and moved Hopkins to RG), I'd be 100% in the Chase camp. But I'm not sure they've done enough to avoid picking Sewell.

[RedTeamGo!]

I don't understand why people keep using the Chiefs as an example. They got to the Super Bowl with a patchwork offensive line! That's a pretty big success. Yes, they lost and looked bad in that game, but Mahomes played behind a bad OL all year (3 backups started basically the whole year), and they lost 1 game during the regular season. Losing the fourth starter proved to be too much. The Bengals OL is better than what the Chiefs rolled out in the Super Bowl. So yes, I agree with everybody that the Bengals need a better OL than the all backups OL that the Chiefs rolled out, but that doesn't mean they need an elite OL.

Also, I see people say that great QBs don't need great WRs. That just isn't the case. PFF ranks WR as the 2nd most important position behind QB. Burrow played behind a mediocre OL with great WRs at LSU. That worked out pretty well.

Didn’t both the Chiefs tackles get hurt the game before the SB? It simply illustrates how important a solid o-line is for a QB.

[membengal]

Sewell, Slatter, and Chase sat out their Jr seasons. The three likely guys the Bengals target with their pick. Its somewhat concerning, but Sewell has been the consensus #1 tackle for two seasons now.

Does it bother you at all the amount of talent Chase played with at LSU?

No? He murdered the NFL CBs he played against.


Anthony Treash
@PFF_Anthony
·
3h
Ja'Marr Chase vs NFL CBs in 2019 (AJ Terrell, Trevon Diggs, CJ Henderson, Noah Igbinoghene and Patrick Surtain II):

��37 tgts
��26 rec (13 were a 15+ yd gain)
��487 yards
��6 TDs (outside of Chase, the 5 CBs combined gave up 3 TDs in 2019)

Chase was only 19 years old that year

[Hillsdale87]

Didn’t both the Chiefs tackles get hurt the game before the SB? It simply illustrates how important a solid o-line is for a QB.

No. They played basically the whole season without the RT Schwartz. Fisher, the LT, tore his achilles before the Super Bowl.

But my point was that at no point in the season did the Chiefs have even a solid OL. It was bad the entire time, missing 3 starters, but they still got to the Super Bowl. Having a bad OL didn't really have much of an impact on M Once they lost Fisher they went from bad to worst in the league, which was too much to overcome. So yes, the Bengals OL needs to be better than worst in the league. But as long as the OL is mediocre, and the WRs are elite, this will be an explosive offense.

[Betterread]

No it doesn't. Justin Jefferson played with the same talent and had an incredible rookie season. And basically everybody thinks Chase is a lot better than Jefferson.
Clarification. Everybody thinks Chase was better than Jefferson in 2019. Right now, your can’t say Chase is better, because Jefferson has already adjusted to the pros and thrived. Chase sat out 2020. He is very talented and more physically gifted than Jefferson, but so is Jerry Jeudy. And Jerry Jeudy did not make the all-pro team while Jefferson did.
Jefferson overcame the doubts about his ability to play wide-out as well as in the slot. He showed elite separation skills. Chase displayed the same elite skill level in 2019, but he still has to stay healthy, learn his playbook and learn how to fit in to his team. if he doesn’t, he won’t get throws and if he doesn’t get the throws, he won’t achieve good numbers. And he needs to catch throws, which Jeudy neglected to do.

[adkindo]

in Kipers latest big board, he moved Pitts up to #2


2. Kyle Pitts, TE, Florida
HT: 6-6 | WT: 239 | Previously: 5

Pitts is going to be a matchup nightmare at the next level. Don't think of him as just a tight end, though. He'll line up out wide and in the slot, too, and he has the speed to run by defensive backs. He finished the season with 12 touchdown catches in eight games while averaging 17.9 yards per reception. Pitts has a huge frame, of course, but he high-points the football well and has soft hands. A smart offensive coordinator will feed him targets just like a No. 1 receiver. He has a chance to be a top-five pick.

He drops Sewell from #2 to #8.


8. Penei Sewell, OT, Oregon
HT: 6-6 | WT: 330 | Previously: 2

I wrote in September that Sewell could be a top-five pick even if he never played another snap at Oregon. And I still think that's going to happen. He announced just days after my preseason Big Board was released that he was opting out of the season and entering the 2021 draft. He's the clear top offensive tackle in this class and dominated as Justin Herbert's blindside protector in 2019, winning the Outland Trophy as college football's best lineman. In a class with outstanding quarterback and wide receiver talent, Sewell won't be the sexiest pick, but he'll be an instant starter and upgrade for the team that picks him.

[KoryMac5]

Whoever the pick is at #5 the Bengals are going to get a really good player...I would be happy with any of the 3 mentioned including Pitts.

If you go Sewell you would have to hope the kid from NC is there at 38

If you go Chase you end up looking at several good OL at 38

or you could go back to back OL...nice to have options.

[oregonred]

Mike Brown should announce the pick as "Kyle Pitts, American, Pitts Off"

[WVRed]

Well, I won’t because I’m not a bengals fan, but I strongly believe drafting a TE early in the first round is flat out insane.

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It seems like you always cite Jeremiah when poo pooing Sewell. At this point it just kind of seems like Jeremiah is biased against him.

I keep forgetting you are a Browns fan. My bad.

[RedTeamGo!]

After watching how awful Mac Jones was during his pro day today it makes me wonder if the Bama WRs are even better than people think.

[Kingspoint]

From NBC Sports:

Chiefs signed C Austin Blythe, formerly of the Rams, to a one-year contract.
Blythe gives the Chiefs a solid option at the pivot after Daniel Kilgore and Austin Reiter split time there in 2020. Blythe is also capable of playing guard as the Chiefs reshuffle essentially their entire offensive line. The soon-to-be 29-year-old had a strong season for the Rams last year.


This would have been the best off-season move for the Bengals after Reiff regarding their O-Line. Hopkins would then move to Guard as Blythe is a better C than Hopkins.

[Bob Sheed]

No question, the Chiefs have prioritized the offensive line this free agency period.

Sometimes it's hard to tell when it isn't, but it's plain as day to see when it is.

[Kingspoint]

Bengals could still make a splash by signing the still available Reiter, but Reiter's asking price is going to have to come down, down lower than the pri e Gabe Jackson got today from the Seahawks. Reiter's market value is $10M per year, which is why he isn't signed, yet. Bengals would probably give him $5M, but not more.

Don't let some of the silly posters here convince you that the Chiefs didn't have a good O-Line last year, because they did, and the whole world knows that they were missing all their starters in the Super Bowl. They couldn't afford to bring them all back.

[Bob Sheed]

I watched most of the Chiefs games last season.

I know what I saw, during the season, and during the Super Bowl.

Chiefs GM saw it too, obviously.

[WVRed]

After watching how awful Mac Jones was during his pro day today it makes me wonder if the Bama WRs are even better than people think.

Yet the 9ers traded up and went to Macs field day instead of Fields. Given they moved up from 12 my guess is they were scouting Mac Jones and was afraid they wouldn’t get him there.

I’m starting to think it’s going to go like this:

1. Jax: Lawrence
2. NYJ: Wilson/Fields
3. SF: Jones
4. Atl: Fields/Wilson

Fields 40 time “should” get him in the conversation for 2. If not he goes to Atlanta and could be the hometown hero.

[RedTeamGo!]

Yet the 9ers traded up and went to Macs field day instead of Fields. Given they moved up from 12 my guess is they were scouting Mac Jones and was afraid they wouldn’t get him there.

I’m starting to think it’s going to go like this:

1. Jax: Lawrence
2. NYJ: Wilson/Fields
3. SF: Jones
4. Atl: Fields/Wilson

Fields 40 time “should” get him in the conversation for 2. If not he goes to Atlanta and could be the hometown hero.

I know Shanahan and Belichek were at Bama today. The video of Jones sailing one over a WR and immediate cut to Shanahan’s horrified face is hilarious.

[Hillsdale87]

Bengals could still make a splash by signing the still available Reiter, but Reiter's asking price is going to have to come down, down lower than the pri e Gabe Jackson got today from the Seahawks. Reiter's market value is $10M per year, which is why he isn't signed, yet. Bengals would probably give him $5M, but not more.

Don't let some of the silly posters here convince you that the Chiefs didn't have a good O-Line last year, because they did, and the whole world knows that they were missing all their starters in the Super Bowl. They couldn't afford to bring them all back.

Besides Fisher, who on that OL was good in 2020? Schwartz is awesome but was hurt most of the year. Their RG opted out of the season. Their LG missed the rest of the season after week 4 I think. Their line was all 7th rounders and guys who had gotten cut. They had bad players but made it work until it was eventually too much to overcome.

4 of the 5 linemen that they had in the Super Bowl were the same that they had had most of the season. It was a bad line, but they were able to make it work because Mahomes and the receivers are awesome, and Andy Reid is a great play caller


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[Kingspoint]

Besides Fisher, who on that OL was good in 2020? Schwartz is awesome but was hurt most of the year. Their RG opted out of the season. Their LG missed the rest of the season after week 4 I think. Their line was all 7th rounders and guys who had gotten cut. They had bad players but made it work until it was eventually too much to overcome.

4 of the 5 linemen that they had in the Super Bowl were the same that they had had most of the season. It was a bad line, but they were able to make it work because Mahomes and the receivers are awesome, and Andy Reid is a great play caller


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Last I recall, we don't have Andy Reid for a Head Coach, Travis Kelce as a TE, or Tyreke Hill as a WR, or Pat Maholmes as a 1B who can make an Offense click with reserves for an O-Line.

K.C. starters on their O-Line were good. The ones who took their place, not good enough.

[Kingspoint]

https://www.pff.com/news/nfl-final-2020-offensive-line-rankings

I'll take PFF's opinions about the 2020 Offensive Line's production over any amateur's opinions who post on this site. All 30 teams pay PFF to do analysis for them. Last time I looked, NFL teams aren't paying anyone here or anyone who has been quoted on here by some as "experts", like the buffoon analysts who don't rank Sewell as the best prospect in this draft (some QB's will go sooner because of need, not because they are better prospects). If a team doesn't need a QB, there's only one choice in this draft, and that's Sewell. WR's are a dime a dozen. There's ten good ones every draft.

K.C. was ranked 11th in 2020,...that's above average if someone needs that translated. Finish 11th best in the NFL and you make the playoffs...in a normal year.

[KoryMac5]

Mike Daniels back in the fold on a 1 yr deal...

[membengal]

Big week. LSU pro day today and Oregon on Friday. Would guess any hot takes updates will be centered on Chase’s 40 time or Sewell’s arm length measurements. Assuming both are fine, the forum and Twitter wars will continue for a month.

[RiverRat13]

Here's a break from the Sewell vs. Chase debate - was listening to Dehner and Morrison's podcast. Jacksonville's The Athletic writer proposed this trade that aligns with the old school trade value chart - 25, 33, and 45 for #5. Would you do it?

[Hillsdale87]

Here's a break from the Sewell vs. Chase debate - was listening to Dehner and Morrison's podcast. Jacksonville's The Athletic writer proposed this trade that aligns with the old school trade value chart - 25, 33, and 45 for #5. Would you do it?

I think I would prefer to stay at 5 because I think the Bengals need to get an elite guy at either OL or WR, but 4 picks in the top 45 would definitely be interesting. They could potentially take 2 OL, a WR, and a DE, which would fill significant areas of need. Definitely intriguing.

[Hillsdale87]

https://www.pff.com/news/nfl-final-2020-offensive-line-rankings

I'll take PFF's opinions about the 2020 Offensive Line's production over any amateur's opinions who post on this site. All 30 teams pay PFF to do analysis for them. Last time I looked, NFL teams aren't paying anyone here or anyone who has been quoted on here by some as "experts", like the buffoon analysts who don't rank Sewell as the best prospect in this draft (some QB's will go sooner because of need, not because they are better prospects). If a team doesn't need a QB, there's only one choice in this draft, and that's Sewell. WR's are a dime a dozen. There's ten good ones every draft.

K.C. was ranked 11th in 2020,...that's above average if someone needs that translated. Finish 11th best in the NFL and you make the playoffs...in a normal year.

The Chiefs starters on the OL for the majority of the year were Fisher (1st overall pick 2013), Nick Allegretti (7th round pick 2019), Austin Reiter (7th round pick 2015), Andrew Wylie (undrafted 2017), Mike Remmers (undrafted 2012). So 1 elite guy, 2 7th round picks, and 2 undrafted guys. They performed fairly well last year, but I'm going to stand by my statement that their linemen are not good.

The scheme helped cover the deficiencies on the OL. The Chiefs run more play-actions/RPOs than any other team in the league, which takes pressure off the line. Their WRs all have elite speed, which means they can get open quickly and make it easier on the OL. I don't think it's a coincidence that Mike Remmers, who is not good, had his best year since 2014.

There are schematic things that coaches can do to cover for a mediocre to bad OL. It's a lot harder to scheme open WRs that can't separate. The Bengals certainly need better players than last year on the OL. I don't think a team needs an elite OL, but they also can't be dreadful like last year's team. They've partially addressed with Reiff, and I would guess will address early in the draft too. Hopefully Pollack helps further develop guys too. Again, I'm not going to be upset if the Bengals take Sewell. The fact that the Bengals get to choose between two elite prospects like Chase and Sewell is pretty exciting. But I would just rather be elite at skill positions than on the OL.

[bucksfan2]

Here's a break from the Sewell vs. Chase debate - was listening to Dehner and Morrison's podcast. Jacksonville's The Athletic writer proposed this trade that aligns with the old school trade value chart - 25, 33, and 45 for #5. Would you do it?

Maybe, if you did it you probably would be able to fill more holes, but not get that elite talent. You could potentially get starters at T, G, WR out of those picks (as well as your 2nd rounder.) And it could save you a ton of money, which Brown no doubt loves, but is also a solid organizational move.

[membengal]

Here's a break from the Sewell vs. Chase debate - was listening to Dehner and Morrison's podcast. Jacksonville's The Athletic writer proposed this trade that aligns with the old school trade value chart - 25, 33, and 45 for #5. Would you do it?

No. To drop down that far, would need first round picks in next two years as well. The chart gets thrown out the window.

Also...in a possibly related note:

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PFF
@PFF
Ja’Marr Chase at his Pro Day
Vertical: 41”
Broad Jump: 11’

DK Metcalf at the combine:
Vertical: 40.5”
Broad jump: 11'2"

Julio Jones:
Vertical: 40.5"
Broacd: 11'3"

[Hillsdale87]

No. To drop down that far, would need first round picks in next two years as well. The chart gets thrown out the window.

Also...in a possibly related note:

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PFF
@PFF
Ja’Marr Chase at his Pro Day
Vertical: 41”
Broad Jump: 11’

DK Metcalf at the combine:
Vertical: 40.5”
Broad jump: 11'2"

Julio Jones:
Vertical: 40.5"
Broacd: 11'3"

Chase also measured at a little over 6' and 201 LBS for those who were thinking he was actually 5'10". Kyle Pitts has a wingspan slightly over 6'11". Sewell's measurables are going to be crazy too. These guys are freaks. The Bengals are going to get a monster at 5.

[membengal]

Matt Miller
@nfldraftscout
·
3m
4.38 unofficial for Ja'Marr Chase at the LSU pro day.

That'll do.

Woof. Yes please.

[KoryMac5]

From NBC Sports:

Chiefs signed C Austin Blythe, formerly of the Rams, to a one-year contract.
Blythe gives the Chiefs a solid option at the pivot after Daniel Kilgore and Austin Reiter split time there in 2020. Blythe is also capable of playing guard as the Chiefs reshuffle essentially their entire offensive line. The soon-to-be 29-year-old had a strong season for the Rams last year.


This would have been the best off-season move for the Bengals after Reiff regarding their O-Line. Hopkins would then move to Guard as Blythe is a better C than Hopkins.

Blythe would fit right in here as he can't pass protect...Blythe allowed 29 total pressures per PFF, including four sacks and eight hits.

[bucksfan2]

Woof. Yes please.

John Ross put up a 4.22 40.

[WVRed]

John Ross put up a 4.22 40.

Two different receivers.

I’d expect those numbers from Jaylen Waddle or DeVonta Smith. Ross is/was a deep threat while Chase is more likely to be a possession receiver.

[membengal]

John Ross put up a 4.22 40.

He didn't do so with a 41" vertical, an 11 foot broad, or with 23 reps at 225 on the lift. Nor did he dominate SEC competition as a 19-year-old and school future NFL CBs while doing so. But, yeah, otherwise, good comp.

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Two different receivers.

I’d expect those numbers from Jaylen Waddle or DeVonta Smith. Ross is/was a deep threat while Chase is more likely to be a possession receiver.

Um. No. Chase is a deep threat. He had 20 TDs as a 19-year-old. TWENTY. His catch rate down the field was insane.

[WVRed]

He didn't do so with a 41" vertical, an 11 foot broad, or with 23 reps at 225 on the lift. Nor did he dominate SEC competition as a 19-year-old and school future NFL CBs while doing so. But, yeah, otherwise, good comp.

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Um. No. Chase is a deep threat. He had 20 TDs as a 19-year-old. TWENTY. His catch rate down the field was insane.

How many were from deep? Burrows strength even at LSU was in the short and intermediate passing game. He had 20 TDs sure but how many of them were on deep throws?

On a side note, Waddle reminds me of John Ross more than anyone in this class.

[membengal]

Here's the heat map for Chase's 2019. NOT a possession receiver:

https://twitter.com/SethWalder/status/1377270301571084293?s=20

[membengal]

How many were from deep? Burrows strength even at LSU was in the short and intermediate passing game. He had 20 TDs sure but how many of them were on deep throws?

On a side note, Waddle reminds me of John Ross more than anyone in this class.

Chase averaged 21.2 ypc.


One of the biggest pieces was wide receiver Ja’Marr Chase, who finished the year with more receptions for 20 yards or more than any other player at the position in 2019.

When you say he's a possession receiver, you are thinking of someone else or you are using the wrong word. He can absolutely win in the short and intermediate routes. But he also kills deep. He's a true #1 receiver.

[membengal]

Fun stat on Chase on NFL Network just now:

65 of his 84 catches in 2019 went for either a first down or touchdown.

[Bob Sheed]

One advantage not mentioned with Chase, is you already have the chemistry and quite a few reps between him and Burrow.

Assuming both Sewell and Chase are as advertised, it's a really tough call. Take Chase and now you have a pretty formidable (and young) WR corp with Chase, Higgins, Boyd. Take Sewell and you have presumably just shored up the LT position for the next 10 years.

I asked Muñoz what he would do, but he just kept saying "I took my shot" over and over and over again, so who knows...

[bucksfan2]

He didn't do so with a 41" vertical, an 11 foot broad, or with 23 reps at 225 on the lift. Nor did he dominate SEC competition as a 19-year-old and school future NFL CBs while doing so. But, yeah, otherwise, good comp.

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Um. No. Chase is a deep threat. He had 20 TDs as a 19-year-old. TWENTY. His catch rate down the field was insane.

I know they are two different WR's. But I also know these combine numbers (or pro day numbers) have to be taken with a grain of salt. To be honest, if Chase didn't blow everybody away with his Pro Day numbers it would be shocking. The guy had a year to practice for this.

If there is one early WR I would stay away from its Smith. Yes I know he won the Heisman and did some impressive things, but I think he is more of a scheme guy. Sark did a great job with him this past season, I don't know how well he translates in the NFL.

[WVRed]

Is there any receiver QB duo who played together in college then reunited in the pros? Burrow-Chase could be a first.

[RedTeamGo!]

Is there any receiver QB duo who played together in college then reunited in the pros? Burrow-Chase could be a first.

Haskins - McLaurin were drafted same year by WFT

[RiverRat13]

Pitts ran a 4.4. I think the standard is to add 0.7 to a pro day time compared to a combine. So Pitts is a 4.51 tight end and Chase is a 4.45 #1 receiver. Both are crazy athletic.

I'm not against taking Sewell, but I am against taking him at #5. He will absolutely be there at 8 or 9 if the Bengals choose to trade back.

[Hillsdale87]

In terms of the idea of whether the Bengals should go WR-OL or OL-WR, the Athletic has an interesting article where Bob McGinn spoke with NFL personnel people to get their thoughts on draft prospects. Of the top 30 offensive prospects, these evaluators had 13 OL and 6 WR. So as others have pointed out, there's likely a much better chance of getting a good OL in Round 2 than a WR.

https://theathletic.com/2438148/2021/03/10/2021-nfl-draft-scouts-size-up-top-prospects-on-offense/?article_source=search&search_query=bob%20mcginn

[membengal]

It's a good day - hey there, QB1...

https://twitter.com/Bengals/status/1377297926305759237?s=20

[Todd Gack]

It's a good day - hey there, QB1...

https://twitter.com/Bengals/status/1377297926305759237?s=20

Love this. It's like the Bengals set the house on fire and are now rescuing everyone from inside and claiming their heroics.

[WVRed]

I realize the Bengals have bigger needs than linebacker but Jamin Davis is going to be moving up draft boards with his pro day. 42 inch vertical leap and 4.37 40.

Doesn’t help I’m a UK homer as well.

[UKFlounder]

After these test results, is there any scenario where trades are made and Chase, Pitts and Sewell go 2, 3 and 4 in some order or are the quarterbacks still the top priorities?

[RiverRat13]

https://twitter.com/JoeGoodberry/status/1377344441824935939?s=19

[Kingspoint]

Burrow wasn't particularly good under pressure, completing a meager 37.3 percent of his passes when facing pressure in the pocket -- the second lowest mark in the league, better than only Drew Lock.

Without significant improvement to the Offensive Line, and that has not been addressed this offseason, partially, but not significantly, the Bengals could have three Jerry Rice's lining up and it wouldn't make a difference. All drives would stall from incomplete passes or sacks (31, 2nd most in the league, not to mention his additional 47 QB hits, before his leg was mangled) before a TD could be scored. Rookies (with the exception of Sewell) just don't come in their first season and do well. It happens sometimes, but rarely. The interior of the Line needs vast improvement. Bengals must take a Tackle with their first pick, be that Sewell at #5 or the next best Tackle in the draft after trading down. Chase would be a stupid pick....a Bungles pick, and it seems that the Bungles have finally left for good.

[RedTeamGo!]

After these test results, is there any scenario where trades are made and Chase, Pitts and Sewell go 2, 3 and 4 in some order or are the quarterbacks still the top priorities?

No

[membengal]

After these test results, is there any scenario where trades are made and Chase, Pitts and Sewell go 2, 3 and 4 in some order or are the quarterbacks still the top priorities?

No chance. QBs 1, 2, and 3 at least at this point.

[WVRed]

No chance. QBs 1, 2, and 3 at least at this point.

I’d say 1-4.

1. Lawrence
2. Wilson/Fields
3. Jones
4. Fields/Wilson

I’m kinda hoping the Bengals trade back if Carolina would try to move up for Trey Lance. Would likely mean Sewell in that scenario.

[membengal]

I’d say 1-4.

1. Lawrence
2. Wilson/Fields
3. Jones
4. Fields/Wilson

I’m kinda hoping the Bengals trade back if Carolina would try to move up for Trey Lance. Would likely mean Sewell in that scenario.

QBs 1-4 has never happened, but, sure, could happen this year.

[KoryMac5]

Burrow wasn't particularly good under pressure, completing a meager 37.3 percent of his passes when facing pressure in the pocket -- the second lowest mark in the league, better than only Drew Lock.

Without significant improvement to the Offensive Line, and that has not been addressed this offseason, partially, but not significantly, the Bengals could have three Jerry Rice's lining up and it wouldn't make a difference. All drives would stall from incomplete passes or sacks (31, 2nd most in the league, not to mention his additional 47 QB hits, before his leg was mangled) before a TD could be scored. Rookies (with the exception of Sewell) just don't come in their first season and do well. It happens sometimes, but rarely. The interior of the Line needs vast improvement. Bengals must take a Tackle with their first pick, be that Sewell at #5 or the next best Tackle in the draft after trading down. Chase would be a stupid pick....a Bungles pick, and it seems that the Bungles have finally left for good.

I could see the Bengals going WR at 5 and coming back in the 2nd and 3rd with OL...you would still have a line that was light years ahead of where we were last season...you have to remember the OL class is extremely deep and we would still get 2 starters in the 2nd and 3rd. I am interested in seeing the numbers Sewell puts up April 2nd at his pro day...he may blow everyone away as well. Options are not a bad thing for a team picking #5.

[Hillsdale87]

Burrow wasn't good under pressure last year but was the best under pressure in college football history, so I don't think that's something that's going to continue. I think his struggles last year were a result of no training camp to get in sync with his receivers, adjusting to the speed of the NFL, and not having receivers who can separate. The Bengals probably have the slowest WR corps in the NFL. You're going to get pressured more when routes take longer to develop. Those throws under pressure will get a lot easier when he's not also throwing into tight windows.


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[Hillsdale87]

I’d say 1-4.

1. Lawrence
2. Wilson/Fields
3. Jones
4. Fields/Wilson

I’m kinda hoping the Bengals trade back if Carolina would try to move up for Trey Lance. Would likely mean Sewell in that scenario.

Yeah, one of Sewell, Chase, or Pitts would be there. One of those guys plus an extra good pick would be an awesome draft


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[WVRed]

QBs 1-4 has never happened, but, sure, could happen this year.

The only team I could see breaking is the Jets if they decide to roll with Darnold for one more year (they won’t).

[Redsfaithful]

I'm not going to be upset with whatever they do, but I've done a real 180 and think they need to take Chase or Pitts. They only need to get to average on the line and a second round pick this year can help them get there. Chase or Pitts would make every other receiver better and it would take some pressure off the line since defenses would have more to deal with speed wise. I think Pitts or Chase + new offensive line coach + Reiff + 2nd round OL pick as a starter or depth (the line depth is horrible, but at least it's young, maybe some improvement coming) all adds up to a seriously improved offense.

Chase is going to be as good as AJ Green or Julio Jones in their prime. Pitts is going to be as good as Kelce. Those are such hard levels to find later in the draft or via FA.

All that said, I think Sewell will have a fantastic career so that won't be a bad pick if it happens.

[Kingspoint]

Burrow wasn't good under pressure last year but was the best under pressure in college football history, so I don't think that's something that's going to continue. I think his struggles last year were a result of no training camp to get in sync with his receivers, adjusting to the speed of the NFL, and not having receivers who can separate. The Bengals probably have the slowest WR corps in the NFL. You're going to get pressured more when routes take longer to develop. Those throws under pressure will get a lot easier when he's not also throwing into tight windows.


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There's no concerns about Burrow. Dude's a stud. Still want him with clean pockets next year. Survived one major injury. Don't want to see another one in the next five years, and if one happens this upcoming season (the most likely one) we can probably put a fork in him. Quarterbacks just don't survive mentally two major injuries this early in their careers. Heck, no NFL player does.

[Rdirtypirates]

Former Bengal William Jackson. A guy with tons of talent, but no heart, a lack of passion and dedication. Maybe if you played half way decent fans wouldn't have been "crude" whatever that means.
https://www.cincyjungle.com/2021/3/31/22360969/william-jackson-bengal-fans-washington-football-team-news-nfl-free-agents

[Todd Gack]

Former Bengal William Jackson. A guy with tons of talent, but no heart, a lack of passion and dedication. Maybe if you played half way decent fans wouldn't have been "crude" whatever that means.
https://www.cincyjungle.com/2021/3/31/22360969/william-jackson-bengal-fans-washington-football-team-news-nfl-free-agents

What part did he say that was wrong?

[RedTeamGo!]

What part did he say that was wrong?

What does he even mean by “crude fans”?

[WVRed]

What part did he say that was wrong?

I don’t know if he was wrong but coming from Jackson is pretty surprising given most fan frustration on CBs has been directed at Dre Kirkpatrick and before that Leon Hall. Jackson was actually one of the better CBs this team has had in recent years.

[RiverRat13]

The Bengals were bad during his tenure. And he is a man coverage corner who was forced to play zone the past two years. I don't blame the guy for wanting out.

[RiverRat13]

McShay has Sewell falling to 13. Doubt that happens, but again, I think he would be there at 8 or 9 if the Bengals trade down.

[Rdirtypirates]

What part did he say that was wrong?

It is pretty classless to rip fans. Of course fans aren't going to be happy when you play like trash.

[Rdirtypirates]

The Bengals were bad during his tenure. And he is a man coverage corner who was forced to play zone the past two years. I don't blame the guy for wanting out.

Most players take out ads to thank fans this classless jerk called out fans. IMO he was over hyped never that good and this is icing on the cake for being an overpaid ****** bag.

[KoryMac5]

Bengals made 0 efforts to resign WJ III for a reason...he is a number #2 corner who thinks he is a 1.

[membengal]

I don’t know if he was wrong but coming from Jackson is pretty surprising given most fan frustration on CBs has been directed at Dre Kirkpatrick and before that Leon Hall. Jackson was actually one of the better CBs this team has had in recent years.

Except when it came to pushing leveon Bell out of bounds. Or intercepting the ball.

[RichRed]

As a WFT fan, I'm following this WJIII discussion. I was happy with the acquisition but interested to read these thoughts from Bengals fans. He had a high PFF grade in 2020 after a rough 2019 but other than that, I don't know a whole lot about him.

[membengal]

He’s good. He was amazing in 2017 - but not nearly at that level since. He’s an upgrade for WFT in my opinion and he should thrive IMO behind that monster defensive line. He’s never generated many INTs, but no reason that he can’t. He also is not a very physical corner- run support is adequate but he won’t stand out there.

[KoryMac5]

As a WFT fan, I'm following this WJIII discussion. I was happy with the acquisition but interested to read these thoughts from Bengals fans. He had a high PFF grade in 2020 after a rough 2019 but other than that, I don't know a whole lot about him.

He gave up some big plays last year...and was visibly upset on others. I think Rivera is a plus for him going forward as he can maximize his potential.

[RiverRat13]

I think he's Jonathan Joseph 2.0. A guy who couldn't wait to get out of Cincinnati because he was mostly there during losing seasons, then goes on to have a very productive career.

[krm1580]

The way things are falling out its going to go

1.) JAX - Lawrence
2.) NYJ - Wilson
3.) SF - whichever QB the 49ers like - I hear Jones, I hear Trey - who knows.
4.) ATL - Pitts
5.) CIN - Chase

The team that really ended up outsmarting themselves is the Dolphins. When the dust clears from all their dealing, they move back from 3 to 6 with no benefit this year OR next year. Its not until 2023 when they get an additional 1 & 3. Then they are looking at either Smith or Waddle, one of who they probably could have gotten if they stayed put at 12. My guess is if they did a deal with Carolina that probably would have ended up with better value than a 2023 1st and 3rd and still ended up with the same guy.

[Ohayou]

I'll be surprised if the 49ers actually end up selecting Jones. I know he's been on their radar for months now, but I've only heard the Patriots as the only other team really interested in him, not the Falcons/Lions/Panthers/Broncos. The more I think about it, I think the Bengals will probably stand pat at 5 and select Chase, regardless of trade inquiries, but I could see the Lions sticking with Goff and trading spots with the Panthers, Broncos, or even the Patriots if Fields is still on the board.

[Kingspoint]

Bengals certainly have not made their decision, yet, nor should they with a month to go.

[WVRed]

The way things are falling out its going to go

1.) JAX - Lawrence
2.) NYJ - Wilson
3.) SF - whichever QB the 49ers like - I hear Jones, I hear Trey - who knows.
4.) ATL - Pitts
5.) CIN - Chase

The team that really ended up outsmarting themselves is the Dolphins. When the dust clears from all their dealing, they move back from 3 to 6 with no benefit this year OR next year. Its not until 2023 when they get an additional 1 & 3. Then they are looking at either Smith or Waddle, one of who they probably could have gotten if they stayed put at 12. My guess is if they did a deal with Carolina that probably would have ended up with better value than a 2023 1st and 3rd and still ended up with the same guy.

McShays latest mock has the Falcons taking Pitts and the Bengals taking Chase.

Also has Sewell falling to the Chargers at 13, Slater to the Vikings at 14, and the Patriots trading up to take Justin Fields at 11.

[membengal]

Happy Sewell day. Would be good if he kills it like Chase did.

[RedTeamGo!]

It Mac Jones is drafted third overall he’s going to be an epic bust. That dude is not an NFL starting QB.

[bucksfan2]

It Mac Jones is drafted third overall he’s going to be an epic bust. That dude is not an NFL starting QB.

Yea I don't get it. Jones seems ordinary in every sense of the word. I found the idea that he was a 1st round QB laughable, can't imagine he would go #3.

I also don't really think Zach Wilson is going to be a star in the NFL. What he did this season was impressive, but I wonder how he would play against top notch competition. I may be wrong about him, but I don't see the #2 overall pick for a guy who struggled in his biggest games of his season.

[WVRed]

Yea I don't get it. Jones seems ordinary in every sense of the word. I found the idea that he was a 1st round QB laughable, can't imagine he would go #3.

I also don't really think Zach Wilson is going to be a star in the NFL. What he did this season was impressive, but I wonder how he would play against top notch competition. I may be wrong about him, but I don't see the #2 overall pick for a guy who struggled in his biggest games of his season.

It’s basically the Joe Burrow factor. Mac Jones held the keys to the most explosive offense in college football but in the long run we will be getting the answer to was it the QB or the weapons he was surrounded with who made him better than he really was? Pretty obvious with Jones given the talent on Bamas roster.

As for Wilson, he could go the way of Josh Allen or Carson Wentz. Allen is a rising star while Wentz is fighting for redemption with the Colts. A lot depends on who drafts them too.

[bucksfan2]

It’s basically the Joe Burrow factor. Mac Jones held the keys to the most explosive offense in college football but in the long run we will be getting the answer to was it the QB or the weapons he was surrounded with who made him better than he really was? Pretty obvious with Jones given the talent on Bamas roster.

As for Wilson, he could go the way of Josh Allen or Carson Wentz. Allen is a rising star while Wentz is fighting for redemption with the Colts. A lot depends on who drafts them too.

I have actually seen Wilson mentioned in the same breath as Burrow because he was a late riser.

With Jones, I don't think he really did anything that was out of ordinary last year. Granted I didn't watch much of him, but against OSU, any QB could have dissected that defense. And Sark did one heck of a job scheming it up. What does Jones do well? He isn't athletic, isn't going to be able to do things with his legs, did a lot with RPO stuff, getting his WR's the ball and letting them do something. I remember when he was talked about as a late 1st round pick, I said them I wouldn't touch him, didn't think he would translate to the next level. Now potentially going 3rd? Man that is a bold move if you are a GM.

As for Wilson, he had a great year in a truncated season, which I do give him credit for. However, the whole mantra of "we will play anyone, anywhere" and then all of a sudden when you do its THUD, I find ironic.

As an OSU fan, I do find all the coverage of Fields to be off the mark. What Dan Orlovsky did was outright wrong. And I think Bomani Jones alluded to the fact that all the Fields rumores are done by ESPN (his network) to garner clicks. If you pay enough attention to OSU football, you tend to get an idea of what the player is like. During his two years at OSU there was never anything bad said about Fields, on the field or off the fields. To say that he was "lazy" is outright lazy reporting. I saw something on an OSU board that pretty much said "Mac Jones is out there with a dad bod missing wide open throws on his pro day with two DUI's in his past and all of a sudden there is a character issue with Fields." I hope all these guys are successful (except the one who ends up going to Pittsburgh) but there is going to be one more month of mud slinging.

[RedTeamGo!]

Here’s what Orlovsky said:

Dan Orlovsky on the @PatMcAfeeShow show today had some interesting quotes that he’s getting from guys in the know.

“Last guy in, first guy out.”

“I’ve heard there are some questions with Justin Fields’ work ethic.”

“Where is his desire to be a great quarterback?”

RTG! - can someone explain to me how a guy that got absolutely destroyed against Clemson and clearly injured his ribs and kept playing and tearing the Clemson defense apart and then went out and played an extremely physical and hard hitting Bama team 2 weeks later has questionable desire to be a great QB?

Orlovsky is apparently saying he was used by a couple NFL teams in the hopes Fields would slip to them. Pretty wild someone can throw garbage like that out there with no accountability.

[WrongVerb]

Here’s what Orlovsky said:

Dan Orlovsky on the @PatMcAfeeShow show today had some interesting quotes that he’s getting from guys in the know.

“Last guy in, first guy out.”

“I’ve heard there are some questions with Justin Fields’ work ethic.”

“Where is his desire to be a great quarterback?”

RTG! - can someone explain to me how a guy that got absolutely destroyed against Clemson and clearly injured his ribs and kept playing and tearing the Clemson defense apart and then went out and played an extremely physical and hard hitting Bama team 2 weeks later has questionable desire to be a great QB?

Orlovsky is apparently saying he was used by a couple NFL teams in the hopes Fields would slip to them. Pretty wild someone can throw garbage like that out there with no accountability.

That happens every draft year. Teams want certain players to slip, so they put negative, but unverifiable, information out into the milieu.

[WVRed]

Here’s what Orlovsky said:

Dan Orlovsky on the @PatMcAfeeShow show today had some interesting quotes that he’s getting from guys in the know.

“Last guy in, first guy out.”

“I’ve heard there are some questions with Justin Fields’ work ethic.”

“Where is his desire to be a great quarterback?”

RTG! - can someone explain to me how a guy that got absolutely destroyed against Clemson and clearly injured his ribs and kept playing and tearing the Clemson defense apart and then went out and played an extremely physical and hard hitting Bama team 2 weeks later has questionable desire to be a great QB?

Orlovsky is apparently saying he was used by a couple NFL teams in the hopes Fields would slip to them. Pretty wild someone can throw garbage like that out there with no accountability.

The only knock I could see on Fields “work ethic” is this:

He signed with Georgia and once he realized he wasn’t starting over Jake Fromm (a mistake on Kirby Smarts part) he jumped ship and used an issue that Georgia handled correctly by kicking the player off the baseball team to file a hardship waiver to move onto Columbus.

It doesn’t matter in the long run. The NCAA transfer portal is the Wild West now so how Fields left Athens is irrelevant. He could have stayed at Georgia and did what Lawrence did at Clemson by replacing Kelly Bryant but you can’t fault him for putting himself in the best situation to succeed.

That’s also why I think ESPN has it out for Fields, that and the anti Ohio State stuff.

[WrongVerb]

My advice: Don't believe any information about any player that comes out between now and the draft. Presume it is all disinformation.

[RiverRat13]

Sewell comes in under the 50th percentile for tackles in height in arm length. Doesn't mean he still can't be a stud but it is a factor.

[bucksfan2]

The only knock I could see on Fields “work ethic” is this:

He signed with Georgia and once he realized he wasn’t starting over Jake Fromm (a mistake on Kirby Smarts part) he jumped ship and used an issue that Georgia handled correctly by kicking the player off the baseball team to file a hardship waiver to move onto Columbus.

It doesn’t matter in the long run. The NCAA transfer portal is the Wild West now so how Fields left Athens is irrelevant. He could have stayed at Georgia and did what Lawrence did at Clemson by replacing Kelly Bryant but you can’t fault him for putting himself in the best situation to succeed.

That’s also why I think ESPN has it out for Fields, that and the anti Ohio State stuff.

Without being in the room at Georgia, I would have to think Fields though he would be behind Fromm for the next season plus. In today's game, its almost an automatic transfer.

I can understand the smokescreens, but you have to be smarter than that. And I do buy into the media driven narrative that ESPN likes to spin. You get one fan base upset, OSU is the loudest and ESPN knows that.

[WVRed]

Sewell comes in under the 50th percentile for tackles in height in arm length. Doesn't mean he still can't be a stud but it is a factor.

Isn’t this the same knock on Jonah Williams?

[membengal]

Isn’t this the same knock on Jonah Williams?

Sewell just measured with 1/2 inch shorter arms that Williams. And, yes, people on here and elsewhere claim HIS arms are too short. Do with this what you will.

[KoryMac5]

Sewell just measured with 1/2 inch shorter arms that Williams. And, yes, people on here and elsewhere claim HIS arms are too short. Do with this what you will.

Teams usually have a cut off for arm length...Bengals have drafted a few with shorter Arms...Fisher and Hawkinson both were 33.4. His Auburn tape has been getting a ton of play on Twitter kid is a beast.

Also Frank Pollack is a big dude...

[membengal]

Here's my worry w/ the short arms thing - he's not a technician. At all. Not at this point in his development. He is all projection there. Joe Thomas overcame short arms from being a technician from the jump. That's...not Sewell. It is Slater.

I am now firmly:

Chase
Tradedown
Pitts

as my only preferred options at 5.

[RedTeamGo!]

The only knock I could see on Fields “work ethic” is this:

He signed with Georgia and once he realized he wasn’t starting over Jake Fromm (a mistake on Kirby Smarts part) he jumped ship and used an issue that Georgia handled correctly by kicking the player off the baseball team to file a hardship waiver to move onto Columbus.

It doesn’t matter in the long run. The NCAA transfer portal is the Wild West now so how Fields left Athens is irrelevant. He could have stayed at Georgia and did what Lawrence did at Clemson by replacing Kelly Bryant but you can’t fault him for putting himself in the best situation to succeed.

That’s also why I think ESPN has it out for Fields, that and the anti Ohio State stuff.

He made the right decision leaving Georgia, though. That is totally BS about that being an example of work ethic. He worked his ass off and the coach put a clearly inferior QB at QB1 going into Fields’ sophomore season. That would have resulted in him having to sit for at least his sophomore season and maybe junior season. That was purely a financial decision as a result of a very stupid Kirby Smart.

[RiverRat13]

Sewell's relative athletic score for today is 9.32 out of 10. Saw on Twitter that Joe Thomas' was 9.37 coming out of college. Basically the same arm length. Thomas was almost a full inch and a half taller but Sewell is 20 pounds heavier.

[Kingspoint]

Here's my worry w/ the short arms thing - he's not a technician. At all. Not at this point in his development. He is all projection there. Joe Thomas overcame short arms from being a technician from the jump. That's...not Sewell. It is Slater.

I am now firmly:

Chase
Tradedown
Pitts

as my only preferred options at 5.

:barf:

[WVRed]

Sewell just measured with 1/2 inch shorter arms that Williams. And, yes, people on here and elsewhere claim HIS arms are too short. Do with this what you will.

Sewell is also bigger than Williams but I’m kinda leaning more offense now whether it’s Pitts or Chase (likely Chase)

[KoryMac5]

If you take Sewell at 5 you have to be prepared and wait for him to develop...si I would imagine he would get kicked to guard for 1-2 yrs...I would not be against taking him at 5. However I think Chase would pay bigger dividends if you go OL in the 2nd and possibly the 3rd.

[WVRed]

Here's my worry w/ the short arms thing - he's not a technician. At all. Not at this point in his development. He is all projection there. Joe Thomas overcame short arms from being a technician from the jump. That's...not Sewell. It is Slater.

I am now firmly:

Chase
Tradedown
Pitts

as my only preferred options at 5.

If you trade down, who do you take?

I’m viewing Chase and Pitts as 1a/1b. Take whoever is left but if both are there roll with Chase.

[membengal]

If you trade down, who do you take?

I’m viewing Chase and Pitts as 1a/1b. Take whoever is left but if both are there roll with Chase.

If they tradedown to, say, 8, and get a day two pick, I am fine with taking Sewell - and he slots nicely at G next year while he develops and learns.

But, not at 5. If they stay put, I want less projection from that pick. For me, that's Chase, all day long. Massive upside, immediate help, this team is better day 1 with him on the field and an o-lineman at 38.

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Sewell's relative athletic score for today is 9.32 out of 10. Saw on Twitter that Joe Thomas' was 9.37 coming out of college. Basically the same arm length. Thomas was almost a full inch and a half taller but Sewell is 20 pounds heavier.

It actually ended up being 9.09.

Not that it matters -anything above 9 is excellent. Although, fwiw, Slater was 9.74.

[forfreelin04]

I wonder if Bobby Hart's arms were long? :rolleyes:

[membengal]

I wonder if Bobby Hart's arms were long? :rolleyes:

No. 33 inch arms.

AND, he was also super un-athletic. RAS of 1.6. That isn't a misprint. 1.6.

[Kingspoint]

If you take Sewell at 5 you have to be prepared and wait for him to develop...si I would imagine he would get kicked to guard for 1-2 yrs...I would not be against taking him at 5. However I think Chase would pay bigger dividends if you go OL in the 2nd and possibly the 3rd.

According to what yahoo's who don't know what they're talking about?

Sewell is plug-and-play from the opening snap. He's better right now than any player on the Bengals' Line.

That PFF grade that our LT had last season? Sewell will never have one that low ever in his career, not even in his rookie season.

If the Bengals are dumb enough not to take him, and I don't think they are, Sewell will be plug and play wherever he goes.

[WrongVerb]

Would anyone here take Slater over Sewell?

[membengal]

Would anyone here take Slater over Sewell?

Have we traded back to 10-15? I might. But I would be playing Slater at G and assuming that will be his home longterm.

[KoryMac5]

According to what yahoo's who don't know what they're talking about?

Sewell is plug-and-play from the opening snap. He's better right now than any player on the Bengals' Line.

That PFF grade that our LT had last season? Sewell will never have one that low ever in his career, not even in his rookie season.

If the Bengals are dumb enough not to take him, and I don't think they are, Sewell will be plug and play wherever he goes.

They have a starting RT and LT with experience Sewell is 20 and has one year of college experience he is a good player now but if given time to develop much like Whit he could be great. Kick him inside for a year and reap the benefits year 2.

Let’s also be honest he had a really good day today but He does have things to work on.

[RedTeamGo!]

They have a starting RT and LT with experience Sewell is 20 and has one year of college experience he is a good player now but if given time to develop much like Whit he could be great. Kick him inside for a year and reap the benefits year 2.

Let’s also be honest he had a really good day today but He does have things to work on.

Sewell played in both 2018 and 2019.

[Redsfaithful]

There's a desire with the Bengals and fans it seems like to find a cornerstone tackle, and yeah, of course, but this Reiff deal has me wondering why you can't run it like that long term. Go after guys in round 2 and later and sign solid players on 1-3 year deals. I don't think you need a top 5 line to win a Super Bowl with an elite QB, and that would be expensive anyway, or require a mountain of draft capital.

I also think going from an OL coach that literally made guys play much worse to an OL coach that will get the best out of guys is being overlooked a little bit in draft discussions.

[Todd Gack]

There's a desire with the Bengals and fans it seems like to find a cornerstone tackle, and yeah, of course, but this Reiff deal has me wondering why you can't run it like that long term. Go after guys in round 2 and later and sign solid players on 1-3 year deals. I don't think you need a top 5 line to win a Super Bowl with an elite QB, and that would be expensive anyway, or require a mountain of draft capital.

I also think going from an OL coach that literally made guys play much worse to an OL coach that will get the best out of guys is being overlooked a little bit in draft discussions.

I don't understand the love for Pollack.

[Redsfaithful]

I don't understand the love for Pollack.

I'm just going from what I've seen from Goodberry on Twitter - the PFF grade drops for guys under Turner is startling. Scroll through this Twitter thread:

https://twitter.com/JoeGoodberry/status/1377750950518095876

We have a direct comparison since some of these guys played under Pollack and then played under Turner. Look at Billy Price: https://twitter.com/JoeGoodberry/status/1377752811497271298

Yeah, maybe he just sucks, but look at the drop for Spain under Turner: https://twitter.com/JoeGoodberry/status/1377753581982453761

Goodberry then digs up this OL ranking from 2019: https://twitter.com/JuMosq/status/1155937518568652800

Pollack in the top 5 there.

But anyway, I think it's not that Pollack is a guru, it's that he's a top 1/3rd of the league coach and they are moving from one of the very worst.

Willie Anderson recently tweeted about how Bengals OL guys have been taught weird stuff in recent years.

[WrongVerb]

Willie Anderson is a great follow on Twitter.

[KoryMac5]

Sewell played in both 2018 and 2019.

He played 7 his 1st and 14 his second he is still pretty green by NFL standards.

[Tony Cloninger]

I think some Bengal fans are starting to
Buy too much into Pollack which while better than Turner of course is not Joe Bugel good. Just have him patch it up while stubborn Taylor continues not to do a better job of creating an offense that helps the OL. Just like last year. I wish they would have been the ones offers that Miami deal. Since this team relies on draft picks and only uses FA to stock up on what they lose more than what they need.

[KoryMac5]

Pollack is a Bill Callahan disciple and since they couldn’t land Callahan (their fault) they went out and got the next best thing. I also think they like how Pollack developed players which is much better than Turner’s teachings.

[Tony Cloninger]

L Collins from Dallas. Bulaga. Reiff. They all have 33 arms.

Ogebhui had 35.

[Tony Cloninger]

Pollack is a Bill Callahan disciple and since they couldn’t land Callahan (their fault) they went out and got the next best thing. I also think they like how Pollack developed players which is much better than Turner’s teachings.

What happened with Callahan. I missed that.

[KoryMac5]

What happened with Callahan. I missed that.

There were rumors that they wanted Callahan which is one of the reasons Pollack left when Taylor took over...Callahan couldn't get out of his contract so they settled on Turner. Callahan was free last off season before going to the Browns made sense for the Bengals to make a run at him but they gave Turner one more season.

Puzzled me as to why you wanted him when he was tethered to Washington but didn't consider him when he was free...blind loyalty to Turner.

[Tony Cloninger]

Taylor had that same alliance to the DC. The guy they keep buying players for that can’t get too many players to like his system. They don’t franchise Lawson and lose him for less money than the franchise tag.

[Todd Gack]

I'm just going from what I've seen from Goodberry on Twitter - the PFF grade drops for guys under Turner is startling. Scroll through this Twitter thread:

https://twitter.com/JoeGoodberry/status/1377750950518095876

We have a direct comparison since some of these guys played under Pollack and then played under Turner. Look at Billy Price: https://twitter.com/JoeGoodberry/status/1377752811497271298

Yeah, maybe he just sucks, but look at the drop for Spain under Turner: https://twitter.com/JoeGoodberry/status/1377753581982453761

Goodberry then digs up this OL ranking from 2019: https://twitter.com/JuMosq/status/1155937518568652800

Pollack in the top 5 there.

But anyway, I think it's not that Pollack is a guru, it's that he's a top 1/3rd of the league coach and they are moving from one of the very worst.

Willie Anderson recently tweeted about how Bengals OL guys have been taught weird stuff in recent years.

Did Goodberry not look at the Jets' stats the last two years? Are we just going to ignore that?

[Danny Serafini]

L Collins from Dallas. Bulaga. Reiff. They all have 33 arms.

Ogebhui had 35.

Those jerseys will need a lot of sleeves

[membengal]

Bobby Hart. 33 inch arms. Can do this all day. Random data points.

The issue is what risk is introduced into the pick at 5. Jonah slid to pick 11 b/c of concerns over his arms. If we were talking somewhere in 8-12 for Sewell, that would be one thing.

[WVRed]

Bobby Hart. 33 inch arms. Can do this all day. Random data points.

The issue is what risk is introduced into the pick at 5. Jonah slid to pick 11 b/c of concerns over his arms. If we were talking somewhere in 8-12 for Sewell, that would be one thing.

Jonah Williams: 6’4 304 lbs
Penei Sewell: 6’6 331

Sewell will probably get a pass on his arms due to his size.

[Redsfaithful]

Did Goodberry not look at the Jets' stats the last two years? Are we just going to ignore that?

Like I said, it's not so much about Pollack as it is a recognition of how damaging Turner has been. If Pollack is a top 10 OL coach that's a gigantic upgrade. I think he probably is. If you think the Jets work for the last two years means he sucks, then sure, that's a take. We'll see.

[Tony Cloninger]

I still don’t understand how Turner kept getting work. Alexander was because of Brown and their wives getting along.

[KoryMac5]

I still don’t understand how Turner kept getting work. Alexander was because of Brown and their wives getting along.

Turner I thought is related to Mike Sherman I believe they are cousins, Sherman is Taylor’s FIL.

[KoryMac5]

4.34 40 time is official for Chase. I would say he is number #1 on my board with Sewell being 1B

[RedTeamGo!]

This idea Sewell sucks now because his arms an inch shorter than some arbitrary length is hilarious.

Interesting to watch the luxury position player or bust crowd after that measurement.

[KoryMac5]

This idea Sewell sucks now because his arms an inch shorter than some arbitrary length is hilarious.

Interesting to watch the luxury position player or bust crowd after that measurement.

Teams put this sort of thing out there to get a guy to fall and I also think they have antiquated thoughts on what a specific body type is for players...the game has evolved past those thoughts with how it is played today. I would be honestly be shocked if Sewell fell past 4 or 5.

[Todd Gack]

Like I said, it's not so much about Pollack as it is a recognition of how damaging Turner has been. If Pollack is a top 10 OL coach that's a gigantic upgrade. I think he probably is. If you think the Jets work for the last two years means he sucks, then sure, that's a take. We'll see.

My point is that Pollack is definitely an upgrade over Turner. I've been saying since the beginning that the biggest negative with Turner wasn't his role with Incognito (as terrible as that was). It was simply his reputation for being a terrible coach. Pollack will be an upgrade but he's not some miracle worker as some claim. His work with the Jets is an entirely fair argument, is it not?

[Todd Gack]

4.34 40 time is official for Chase. I would say he is number #1 on my board with Sewell being 1B

I've ALWAYS been a BPA available guy. Always. Unless you're looking for a QB. If Chase is that guy, then fine. But you're running a real risk, with both health and PR, if you don't further protect Burrow after what happened last year. Do we want to take a chance waiting until Round 2 to take an OL? Fine. But we better hit.

[Redsfaithful]

My point is that Pollack is definitely an upgrade over Turner. I've been saying since the beginning that the biggest negative with Turner wasn't his role with Incognito (as terrible as that was). It was simply his reputation for being a terrible coach. Pollack will be an upgrade but he's not some miracle worker as some claim. His work with the Jets is an entirely fair argument, is it not?

Totally fair. If he just gets these guys back to their PFF career averages he's going to be treated like a rock star though.

[Redsfaithful]

This idea Sewell sucks now because his arms an inch shorter than some arbitrary length is hilarious.

Interesting to watch the luxury position player or bust crowd after that measurement.

Sewell looks like a potential Hall of Famer, it really just is what gets the Bengals competitive quicker and trying to figure out what's a luxury and what's not. If you told me the Bengals would whiff on a lineman in the 2nd round (or not take one at all) I think I'd prefer Sewell at #5. But if it could be Chase/Pitts + a solid lineman sign me up.

[Playadlc]

Sewell looks like a potential Hall of Famer, it really just is what gets the Bengals competitive quicker and trying to figure out what's a luxury and what's not. If you told me the Bengals would whiff on a lineman in the 2nd round (or not take one at all) I think I'd prefer Sewell at #5. But if it could be Chase/Pitts + a solid lineman sign me up.

Agree with this. I’m glad the Bengals signed Reiff, but the interior line is still lacking. Spain/XSF are not starters and we know Jordan and Price aren’t.

This is a tough spot because Chase is really good. AJ Green type production. I think you probably have to take Chase, but the Oline is still an issue.

[membengal]

For everyone stressing over the o-line options at 38 (or even 69) this piece by John Sheerhan underscores the depth. He lists 15 names. He doesn't even include Meinerz (who he could have listed). We pick 38th. He doesn't include Sewell, Slater, or Vera Tucker who will all assurdely be gone by 38. So, 16 names - and we pick 38th. At least 8-10 of thoese guys will be there then. This is why I am so comfortable with Chase and o-line at 38.

https://www.cincyjungle.com/2021/4/4/22358078/2021-nfl-draft-potential-2nd-round-offensive-line-options-for-cincinnati-bengals

[WVRed]

Mock Draft Time!

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20210404/8ee76f534a6d96764c6910d2840a26a4.jpg
Traded the 5th pick to Carolina for 8, an extra second and a first next year. Jenkins and Dickerson would fix the O-line. Don’t like taking an actual WR til the 4th but Pitts would have an impact in that area.

[Todd Gack]

For everyone stressing over the o-line options at 38 (or even 69) this piece by John Sheerhan underscores the depth. He lists 15 names. He doesn't even include Meinerz (who he could have listed). We pick 38th. He doesn't include Sewell, Slater, or Vera Tucker who will all assurdely be gone by 38. So, 16 names - and we pick 38th. At least 8-10 of thoese guys will be there then. This is why I am so comfortable with Chase and o-line at 38.

https://www.cincyjungle.com/2021/4/4/22358078/2021-nfl-draft-potential-2nd-round-offensive-line-options-for-cincinnati-bengals

Again, our issue at scouting and developing OL is terrible. We have to take the guy who has the highest floor or safest pick. Which is why I'm leaning toward an OL at 5.

[WVRed]

Again, our issue at scouting and developing OL is terrible. We have to take the guy who has the highest floor or safest pick. Which is why I'm leaning toward an OL at 5.

I’m not so sure anymore that Sewell is a safe pick.

[Bob Sheed]

I agree, have been leaning Chase since the workouts last week.

Pollack can coach the OL up, where Turner could not.

[Todd Gack]

I’m not so sure anymore that Sewell is a safe pick.

I have no idea if he is the safest pick but I would target whomever is. Whether it's at 5 or trading down.

[WrongVerb]

Adam Schefter
@AdamSchefter

Filed to ESPN: Jets trading QB Sam Darnold to the Carolina Panthers for a 2021 sixth-round pick and second- and fourth-round picks in 2022, per sources.
12:58pm · 5 Apr 2021

Carolina was one of the teams rumored to be interested in moving into the #5 slot. Very doubtful that happens now. Luckily Denver still has interest in moving up.

[RiverRat13]

https://twitter.com/PFF/status/1379095110537904128?s=19

[KoryMac5]

Teams are calling ATL about #4...but they are not budging so far...according to Albert Breer

[RiverRat13]

Teams are calling ATL about #4...but they are not budging so far...according to Albert Breer

Carolina being gone as a trading partner pretty much kills trading down, IMO.

[membengal]

What might Ja'Marr Chase bring to the team?

Here's the RAS for our current receiving group:

Tyler Boyd RAS: 4.27

Tee Higgins RAS: 4.16

Auden Tate RAS: 1.80 (no, that is not a misprint)

Here's the RAS for Ja'Marr Chase: 9.81

Yes. we could DEFINITELY use the jolt of athleticism at that position that he offers.

[Oxilon]

What might Ja'Marr Chase bring to the team?

Here's the RAS for our current receiving group:

Tyler Boyd RAS: 4.27

Tee Higgins RAS: 4.16

Auden Tate RAS: 1.80 (no, that is not a misprint)

Here's the RAS for Ja'Marr Chase: 9.81

Yes. we could DEFINITELY use the jolt of athleticism at that position that he offers.

Just for the record, John Ross has a RAS of 9.51. From what I gather, this metric seems as unreliable as the combine itself.

[membengal]

Ross busting does not mean other athletic guys should be passed up for the Auden Tates of the world. That does not track at all. AJ Green was a 9.35. Should he not have been drafted? Point is, Chase's explosiveness would be most welcome in this particular receiver room.

[RiverRat13]

https://twitter.com/MoveTheSticks/status/1379509149394825216?s=19

[membengal]

CedO and Billy Price sucked - clearly Bengals should never pick o-linemen in first round again. Silly, right?

[Oxilon]

Ross busting does not mean other athletic guys should be passed up for the Auden Tates of the world. That does not track at all. AJ Green was a 9.35. Should he not have been drafted? Point is, Chase's explosiveness would be most welcome in this particular receiver room.

The point is this metric is just as hit-or-miss as the draft itself. Cherry-picking successful NFL players with high RAS scores shouldn't be a reason as to why the Bengals do or don't select someone. With that said, I hope the Bengals are able to trade back and select offensive lineman with their first two picks. Wide receiver explosiveness is just as useful as a screen door on a submarine when your franchise quarterback is injured again due to shotty offensive line play.

Can somebody fill me in on where exactly the Bengals vastly improved their offensive line? Yes, Reiff is an upgrade over Hart but let's not mistake him as an All Pro. Outside of Reiff, we still have Jonah Williams who has been giving Chris Perry a run for his money with his durability. X. Su'a-Filo who's a career backup and also has durability issues. Trey Hopkins who's coming off a torn ACL and Michael Jordan who might not be worthy of a NFL roster spot. At the bare minimum, they need 2 starters replaced. And that's not even factoring in the depth which is also an area of need since injuries are a part of the NFL and will happen at some point next season.

Unrelated hot take, but I would also take Pat Freiermuth over Kyle Pitts. I'm not saying the Bengals should take either of them at #5 overall but rather that Pitts is getting over-hyped and he won't be the best tight end out of this draft class when it's all said and done.

[WVRed]

The point is this metric is just as hit-or-miss as the draft itself. Cherry-picking successful NFL players with high RAS scores shouldn't be a reason as to why the Bengals do or don't select someone. With that said, I hope the Bengals are able to trade back and select offensive lineman with their first two picks. Wide receiver explosiveness is just as useful as a screen door on a submarine when your franchise quarterback is injured again due to shotty offensive line play.

Can somebody fill me in on where exactly the Bengals vastly improved their offensive line? Yes, Reiff is an upgrade over Hart but let's not mistake him as an All Pro. Outside of Reiff, we still have Jonah Williams who has been giving Chris Perry a run for his money with his durability. X. Su'a-Filo who's a career backup and also has durability issues. Trey Hopkins who's coming off a torn ACL and Michael Jordan who might not be worthy of a NFL roster spot. At the bare minimum, they need 2 starters replaced. And that's not even factoring in the depth which is also an area of need since injuries are a part of the NFL and will happen at some point next season.

Unrelated hot take, but I would also take Pat Freiermuth over Kyle Pitts. I'm not saying the Bengals should take either of them at #5 overall but rather that Pitts is getting over-hyped and he won't be the best tight end out of this draft class when it's all said and done.

I’ve watched Pitts at Florida. The obvious pros is he’s a matchup nightmare and combined with Boyd and Higgins the offense would take a step forward just as if they took Chase.

What concerns me with Pitts is he has had some injury history. I don’t know how he will fare as a blocker and by drafting Pitts you are also admitting Sample is a bust (which he probably is).

[Hillsdale87]

I’ve watched Pitts at Florida. The obvious pros is he’s a matchup nightmare and combined with Boyd and Higgins the offense would take a step forward just as if they took Chase.

What concerns me with Pitts is he has had some injury history. I don’t know how he will fare as a blocker and by drafting Pitts you are also admitting Sample is a bust (which he probably is).

Sample and Pitts can both play at the same time. They play the same position but they don't do the same things.


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[Todd Gack]

I’ve watched Pitts at Florida. The obvious pros is he’s a matchup nightmare and combined with Boyd and Higgins the offense would take a step forward just as if they took Chase.

What concerns me with Pitts is he has had some injury history. I don’t know how he will fare as a blocker and by drafting Pitts you are also admitting Sample is a bust (which he probably is).

Wasn't Sample a bust 1 millisecond after his name was announced?

[Todd Gack]

What might Ja'Marr Chase bring to the team?

Here's the RAS for our current receiving group:

Tyler Boyd RAS: 4.27

Tee Higgins RAS: 4.16

Auden Tate RAS: 1.80 (no, that is not a misprint)

Here's the RAS for Ja'Marr Chase: 9.81

Yes. we could DEFINITELY use the jolt of athleticism at that position that he offers.

I think it's pretty clear membengal's #1 reason for wanting Chase was when Burrow went public with his preference.

[Bob Sheed]

CedO and Billy Price sucked - clearly Bengals should never pick o-linemen in first round again. Silly, right?

I haven't given up on Price. I think his timing was bad, with the whole Turner thing.

I expect a resurgence from Price this season if he is healthy, even if it is in a backup role initially.

[bucksfan2]

I’ve watched Pitts at Florida. The obvious pros is he’s a matchup nightmare and combined with Boyd and Higgins the offense would take a step forward just as if they took Chase.

What concerns me with Pitts is he has had some injury history. I don’t know how he will fare as a blocker and by drafting Pitts you are also admitting Sample is a bust (which he probably is).

I think at this point you have to consider Pitts a WR. And if he is a WR I don't think he is in the Chase ballpark.

To be honest I have never see the RAS score until this year. And while I think it has value, its becoming a little too much at this point.

[RedTeamGo!]

Can’t wait for this draft. Day 1 is going to be so entertaining.

[RiverRat13]

I think it's pretty clear membengal's #1 reason for wanting Chase was when Burrow went public with his preference.

I became more inclined towards Chase once it became apparent Sewell is not the consensus next Anthony Munoz, Reiff was signed to cover tackle for a year, and seeing how this is a deep offensive line draft. The Bengals need an X receiver and there probably won't be one of those at 38. There will be guys who can start at RG at 38. I still won't complain if they take Sewell, though.

This is a dumb reason in the long run, but I think Sewell is itching to be a Bengal after the love fans showed him at the end of the year. I think Chase will be disappointed he isn't a Dolphin (can't blame a young, rich athlete of wanting to be in Miami instead of Cincinnati). After Chase showed out at his pro day, he immediately ran over to talk with the Dolphin contingent that was there. So yes, I'm stupid to even consider this, but I won't be mad if they ultimately take Sewell. I do think they could trade down and either still get Sewell or Slater while picking up more picks. Don't think they can do that with Chase.

[membengal]

I think at this point you have to consider Pitts a WR. And if he is a WR I don't think he is in the Chase ballpark.

To be honest I have never see the RAS score until this year. And while I think it has value, its becoming a little too much at this point.

you know what Bobby Hart's RAS was?



1.61


So...I think it does capture some things...

[membengal]

Well, Todd, I started wanting Chase back in January after I had run about 100 mock drafts and started becoming familiar with the depth at o-line and the lack of depth at WR in this draft. That was well before any unfounded Burrow rumors on what he wants were there. But, because you were such a whiny baby with draft talk last year, I have not really discussed that on this board. I want Chase because he is an extraordinary prospect with extraordinary production and testing all of which occurred while he was a teenager and because we can upgrade this line in this draft at 38 and/or 69 and are less likely to hit at WR at those spots in this draft as this draft is full of slot guys but less full of outside guys. Further, there is a gaping chasm of a need on this team in the WR room including the need for a starter at WR as the team completely did not address the position at all in FA which leads me to suspect they themselves have come to the same conclusions.

Thanks for asking, though.

[oregonred]

Sewell or Chase have been the choice and my choice since December. We were hoping at least one would be available at #5 and with good fortune the QB trade ups have ensured at least one will be available. Pro Days have done nothing but confirm either would be a great choice at #5

Chase is the perfect AFC North receiver and Plan 1a
Sewell is a no brainer as plan 1aa

[Bob Sheed]

Bengals released Gio Bernard, at his request.

This one is puzzling. He was under contract. And the perfect 3rd down/change of pace back. Word was, there were interested trade partners.

Sure have been a lot of players wanting out lately. Reminds me a bit of the situation with Brannen and UC Basketball.

I'm guessing Doc was right. There needs to be a culture change with the Bengals, but it's the coaches' culture that needs changing. I thought it was confined to defense, but clearly not.

[Rdirtypirates]

Bengals released Gio Bernard, at his request.

This one is puzzling. He was under contract. And the perfect 3rd down/change of pace back. Word was, there were interested trade partners.

Sure have been a lot of players wanting out lately. Reminds me a bit of the situation with Brannen and UC Basketball.

I'm guessing Doc was right. There needs to be a culture change with the Bengals, but it's the coaches' culture that needs changing. I thought it was confined to defense, but clearly not.

He asked for his release because he was asked to take a pay cut.
https://nfltraderumors.co/bengals-release-rb-giovani-bernard/

[Bob Sheed]

He asked for his release because he was asked to take a pay cut.
https://nfltraderumors.co/bengals-release-rb-giovani-bernard/

Again...

1. Why not just trade him? Even a 7th rounder beats a blank.
2. Why would they ask him to take a paycut? He was only due 4 million and the Bengals are swimming in cap money.

Releasing someone under contract who has trade value makes ZERO sense. And that's a nice way of saying it.

[forfreelin04]

Again...

1. Why not just trade him? Even a 7th rounder beats a blank.
2. Why would they ask him to take a paycut? He was only due 4 million and the Bengals are swimming in cap money.

Releasing someone under contract who has trade value makes ZERO sense. And that's a nice way of saying it.

Reeks of Bengal ineptitude. When you have an owner who runs his business like a family owned thrift store, that's what happens.