2021 Cincinnati Bengals Part II: The Chase is On?

[Ohayou]

My last minute, dream draft scenario:

R1 - J'Marr Chase, WR, LSU
Yes.

R2 - Alex Leatherwood, OL, Alabama
This is assuming he is willing to play guard, initially at least.

R3 - Jaylen Twyman, Patrick Jones II, or Rashad Weaver
I would be happy with any one of these Pitt D-lineman here.

R4 - Ben Cleveland, G, Georgia
More help inside. Aaron Banks and Kendrick Green are other options, but may go earlier.

R5 - Garret Wallow, LB, TCU
On the smaller side (converted safety), but highly instinctive. He makes plays everywhere. Cameron McGrone could fall here as well (tore his ACL). Pre-injury, he's probably a 2nd round guy.

R6 - Josh Imatorbhebhe, WR, Illinois
DK Metcalf comp? May go earlier, but definitely one of the best athletes in the draft.

R6#2 - Javian Hawkins, RB, Louisville
Home run speed.

R7 - Khyiris Tonga, DT, BYU
More DL depth. Big boy. Moves extremely well for his size.

[Tony Cloninger]

I wonder if Munoz would be drafted so high today and what reaction would be to his injury history. I know medical technology has advanced, but would that help or just cause more concern?

It’s amazing he had 2 knee issues playing baseball at USC when you’re career could be over back then. I think now the way they go after the negative aspects of a player even if he’s a 1st rounder. Yes they’re would be concern and constant worry. Teams behind them drafting would probably have “sources” with BS reporting thrown out there. Like the stick it to AJ Green stuff.

After both Brown kids saw Munoz at the Rose Bowl I think. Throwing around his man like a rag doll. They both laughed and said there’s no way we’re drafting anyone else.

I just wish they would have drafted Dwight Stephenson too. He went in the 3rd round.

[Kingspoint]

They have two 1st round tackles. They need a RG. They will have guys who can start there immediately at 38 - plenty to choose from.

They have one 1st Round Tackle who has only played in 10 games out of 34 in his career. Huge Red Flag.

They have another very long time ago 1st Round Tackle that was so long ago that it's completely irrelevant to mention that he was once a 1st Round Tackle, who is not only signed up for only one season, but will be in his mid-30's 18 months from now if he comes back at all to the team for what is probably another 1-year deal, two at the most.

[Bob Sheed]

looks like Chase is on the case.

[membengal]

I am so very happy.

[Wonderful Monds]

Can’t even remember how many young QBs have been broken by having garbage, inadequate lines early on in their careers. A team an hour north from here just lost their own generational talent QB because they could never put together a line good enough to stop him from getting constantly injured.

So yeah, better pick a wide receiver when there’s a player that could solve this problem for the next decade for us available in our draft spot.

This franchise is so inept, I’m not going to be sad when they move to San Diego or whatever in 5 years. Excruciatingly stupid.

[Playadlc]

Can’t even remember how many young QBs have been broken by having garbage, inadequate lines early on in their careers. A team an hour north from here just lost their own generational talent QB because they could never put together a line good enough to stop him from getting constantly injured.

So yeah, better pick a wide receiver when there’s a player that could solve this problem for the next decade for us available in our draft spot.

This franchise is so inept, I’m not going to be sad when they move to San Diego or whatever in 5 years. Excruciatingly stupid.

The Bengals signing Reiff makes the Chase pick okay. Reiff is an above average NFL starting tackle.

Also, the Bengals have lots of picks still left. Let’s see what they do.

[Wonderful Monds]

The Bengals signing Reiff makes the Chase pick okay. Reiff is an above average NFL starting tackle.

Also, the Bengals have lots of picks still left. Let’s see what they do.

They’re pretty horrendous at developing later round OL talent. On the flipside, they’re usually pretty decent at getting good WRs in later rounds.

They had a guy available they could’ve plugged even then they likely wouldn’t be able to screw up. But because the idiot head coach is desperate to save his job, we go with the flashier playmaking pick.

The second Jonah Williams suffers his annual injury, Burrow is gonna be back to getting put on his ass every other snap.

Hopefully there’s another good lineman available in next years top 5 picks, I’m sure the Bengals will be picking there again.

[Playadlc]

They’re pretty horrendous at developing later round OL talent. On the flipside, they’re usually pretty decent at getting good WRs in later rounds.

They had a guy available they could’ve plugged even then they likely wouldn’t be able to screw up. But because the idiot head coach is desperate to save his job, we go with the flashier playmaking pick.

The second Jonah Williams suffers his annual injury, Burrow is gonna be back to getting put on his ass every other snap.

Hopefully there’s another good lineman available in next years top 5 picks, I’m sure the Bengals will be picking there again.

The Bengals are 100% drafting a guard/tackle in the 2nd round.

Williams/pick/Hopkins/XSF or Spain/Reiff is not a bad line.

[Kingspoint]

Can’t even remember how many young QBs have been broken by having garbage, inadequate lines early on in their careers. A team an hour north from here just lost their own generational talent QB because they could never put together a line good enough to stop him from getting constantly injured.

So yeah, better pick a wide receiver when there’s a player that could solve this problem for the next decade for us available in our draft spot.

This franchise is so inept, I’m not going to be sad when they move to San Diego or whatever in 5 years. Excruciatingly stupid.

The moans at the ESPN draft production was quite loud. As their main analyst (sorry, Mel, but you are an idiot) repeatedly stated, the Bengals are committing malpractice if they don't draft a tackle in this spot. The first statement from the ESPN crew was, let's sidestep the poor decision and talk about the quality of the player chosen, and then they followed it up with, you can question the decision, but you can't question the player. Like the world of NFL fans and experts, the Redszone board disagreed with it's loudest and most posted members in choosing by 40% more Sewell over Chase as the player they thought the Bengals should take.

Once again, poor decision by the Bungles, but the player chosen is a very good player.

It's similar, but not close at all to Denver as the Broncos chose the player that makes their system work the best in Surtain rather than taking the best Defensive player in the draft.

[Tony Cloninger]

They need to go OL 2nd. 3rd. 4th. You can go long snapper if you want after that.

[Wonderful Monds]

The moans at the ESPN draft production was quite loud. As their main analyst (sorry, Mel, but you are an idiot) repeatedly stated, the Bengals are committing malpractice if they don't draft a tackle in this spot. The first statement from the ESPN crew was, let's sidestep the poor decision and talk about the quality of the player chosen, and then they followed it up with, you can question the decision, but you can't question the player. Like the world of NFL fans and experts, the Redszone board disagreed with it's loudest and most posted members in choosing by 40% more Sewell over Chase as the player they thought the Bengals should take.

Once again, poor decision by the Bungles, but the player chosen is a very good player.

It's similar, but not close at all to Denver as the Broncos chose the player that makes their system work the best in Surtain rather than taking the best Defensive player in the draft.

Yeah the ESPN analysis of the pick really rubbed it in. Did not feel good, but they were right.


This Chase kid will be exciting, but the whole deep threat aspect isn’t going to matter much when Burrow never has any time to throw to him.

[Ohayou]

5/7 of the PFF Draft Show guys (including Collinsworth) gave the Bengals pick an A.

[RiverRat13]

Only 5 OL go in the 1st round. Things are falling nicely for the Bengals.

[Ohayou]

Still on the board:

Teven Jenkins
Samuel Cosmi
Liam Eichenberg
Dillon Radunz
Walker Little
Quinn Meinerz
Landon Dickerson

[Reds Fanatic]

Would love to see Jenkins to the Bengals but a lot of good lineman left

[Ohayou]

5/7 of the PFF Draft Show guys (including Collinsworth) gave the Bengals pick an A.

https://youtu.be/yvpjXZ2O6Qc?t=7097

Collinsworth chimes in at 2:02:18.

[KoryMac5]

and yet Miami with a worse OL then the Bengals passed on Sewell as well for a WR and yet somehow they are praised boggles my mind sometimes...

List of prospects available in RD 2 any of these guys would step in as Day 1 starters...

OT Teven Jenkins
OT Samuel Cosmi
OT Dillon Radunz
OT Liam Eichenberg
OT Jalen Mayfield

G Landon Dickerson
G Wyatt Davis
C/G Creed Humphrey
C/G Quinn Meinerz

[membengal]

That first round unfolded like a dream for those of us who pushed for Chase. Only five linemen gone - and I was told repeatedly and angrily on here that the cupboard would be bare at T/IOL if they waited.

[bucksfan2]

5/7 of the PFF Draft Show guys (including Collinsworth) gave the Bengals pick an A.

I have found PFF's metrics to be lacking in the college game. They are fantastic in the pro game, but college leaves a lot to be desired.

ESPN's crew is hit or miss. Riddick is fantastic, Mel knows what he is doing, Booger is an embarrassment. I am a Greenberg fan so I like his hosting.

I don't hate this pick, and I do see the logic to it. But that logic only holds if they get a starting caliber OL with the 2nd.

[RedTeamGo!]

I thought there would be a run on OL between picks 17-32, so I’m definitely surprised.

The absolute funniest pick of the first round was Gruden picking Leatherwood at 17, I honestly got the impression Leatherwood didn’t even think he should go that high. He basically won the lottery. Not saying he’s bad, seems like a mauler, could easily play 10 years at G in the league. That’s just a player you take on day 2.

[RedTeamGo!]

As for the T’s that are left: I would take Eichenberg or Mayfield. ND linemen just always seem to produce at NFL level. He will be rock solid for 10 years. On the flip I absolutely do not trust Texas products right now. That might change under Sark, but not yet. Just say no to Cosmi.

[membengal]

Jenkins would be the dream at 38. Top 20 grade at line who has fallen.

[RiverRat13]

As for the T’s that are left: I would take Eichenberg or Mayfield. ND linemen just always seem to produce at NFL level. He will be rock solid for 10 years. On the flip I absolutely do not trust Texas products right now. That might change under Sark, but not yet. Just say no to Cosmi.

Mayfield intrigues me. You have the ESPN guys talking about Paye being undercoached at Michigan. Then you have Onwenu from Michigan falling to the 6th yet becoming PFF's highest rated rookie IOL. Taking underperforming Michigan guys who have talent but didn't get coached up in college may be the new market inefficiency.

In all seriousness, the pecking order is probably Jenkins, Cosmi, Mayfield, Eichenberg with Dickerson being the wild card. The Bengals need this pick to start on Day 1, so I don't think they can afford to gamble on Dickerson's health.

[WrongVerb]

Jenkins would be the dream at 38. Top 20 grade at line who has fallen.

I wouldn't mind the Bengals spending a 5th round pick to move up a few spots if it ensures snagging Jenkins.

[WVRed]

It has to be O-Line. No if’s ands or buts.

That said , there’s been some players drop that make me wish that wasn’t the case:

Trevon Moehrig
JOK
Azeez Ojulari
Christian Barmore

[UKFlounder]

I won’t be shocked if they choose an edge rusher or non-OL. It’s what they did last year - minimum OL addition in free agency, then focus elsewhere in the draft. I’ll be (likely) disappointed if it happens, but not shocked.

[RedTeamGo!]

It has to be O-Line. No if’s ands or buts.

That said , there’s been some players drop that make me wish that wasn’t the case:

Trevon Moehrig
JOK
Azeez Ojulari
Christian Barmore

I am shocked JOK AND moerig dropped. There were mock drafts that had JOK going like 10-15.

[RiverRat13]

My hope for tonight is Jenkins/Wyatt Davis. My prediction is Cosmi/Milton Williams

[RedTeamGo!]

If I were the bengals I would call JAX and try to move up to 33 and take Jenkins

[bucksfan2]

Mayfield intrigues me. You have the ESPN guys talking about Paye being undercoached at Michigan. Then you have Onwenu from Michigan falling to the 6th yet becoming PFF's highest rated rookie IOL. Taking underperforming Michigan guys who have talent but didn't get coached up in college may be the new market inefficiency.

In all seriousness, the pecking order is probably Jenkins, Cosmi, Mayfield, Eichenberg with Dickerson being the wild card. The Bengals need this pick to start on Day 1, so I don't think they can afford to gamble on Dickerson's health.

You don't say???!?!??!

There have been a lot of players at Michigan who have been undercoached during Harbaugh's tenure.

[Sea Ray]

My hope for tonight is Jenkins/Wyatt Davis. My prediction is Cosmi/Milton Williams

After Billy Price and Michael Jordan, a big no to Wyatt Davis. Let's steer clear of OSU linemen for awhile

[bucksfan2]

After Billy Price and Michael Jordan, a big no to Wyatt Davis. Let's steer clear of OSU linemen for awhile

Wyatt Davis >>>>> Price and Jordan.

[RedTeamGo!]

After Billy Price and Michael Jordan, a big no to Wyatt Davis. Let's steer clear of OSU linemen for awhile

Yeah, there aren’t any good OSU OL in the league

[RiverRat13]

It has to be O-Line. No if’s ands or buts.

That said , there’s been some players drop that make me wish that wasn’t the case:

Trevon Moehrig
JOK
Azeez Ojulari
Christian Barmore

This is the price they pay for not topping the offer for Zeitler. I expect Moehrig to be gone (probably to JAX) and there's not a need a safety, but I suspect one of the other three will be there at 38. And they will have to pass because they didn't do enough in free agency.

[Bob Sheed]

Chase wants to wear #1.

Pretty sure he's allowed now, with the rule change on jersey numbers.

[RiverRat13]

There is supposedly a medical concern with Jenkins, which is why he dropped out of Round 1.

[Reds Freak]

There is supposedly a medical concern with Jenkins, which is why he dropped out of Round 1.

The Bengals need this OL pick to start right away. I don't think they can afford to take a high-risk injury guy in the second round when so many other good linemen prospects are available. Although we're used to seeing Bengals top draft picks going down their first year at some point anyway.

[oregonred]

After Billy Price and Michael Jordan, a big no to Wyatt Davis. Let's steer clear of OSU linemen for awhile

Right, 4th round developmental pick #136 with piss poor OL coaching is a reason to not draft an OL from OSU

Price - Steer clear of OL in Rounds 1 and 2 with injury history. Panic pick after the Cordy Glenn movedown trade backfired

The OSU Olines towards the end of the Meyer/Barrett tenure were really not that great

I think you go Humphrey/Eichenberg and cement one of the interior spots with a tough, smart near-lock starter for the next 4-5 years

No need to burn draft capital moving up from #38. A lot of quality OL and others available in the first half of round 2

[oregonred]

Chase wants to wear #1.

Pretty sure he's allowed now, with the rule change on jersey numbers.

That would be a pretty sweet uniform with Chase at #1

[Ohayou]

As for the T’s that are left: I would take Eichenberg or Mayfield. ND linemen just always seem to produce at NFL level. He will be rock solid for 10 years. On the flip I absolutely do not trust Texas products right now. That might change under Sark, but not yet. Just say no to Cosmi.

Hopkins is a Longhorn.

There's been debate about where a lot of these guys best fit across the line, but Cosmi is a true tackle with a wealth of experience at both sides. I'm a fan.

[Reds Freak]

Part of me wants to see the Bengals draft one of the DEs at #38 just to see people's heads explode.

[oregonred]

Part of me wants to see the Bengals draft one of the DEs at #38 just to see people's heads explode.

How about Marshall from the LSU Bengals instead? :D

Then bring back Jeremy Hill

[WVRed]

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20210430/b45f989b0b134cd967a249868fa4ec3b.jpg

[bucksfan2]

Right, 4th round developmental pick #136 with piss poor OL coaching is a reason to not draft an OL from OSU

Price - Steer clear of OL in Rounds 1 and 2 with injury history. Panic pick after the Cordy Glenn movedown trade backfired

The OSU Olines towards the end of the Meyer/Barrett tenure were really not that great

I think you go Humphrey/Eichenberg and cement one of the interior spots with a tough, smart near-lock starter for the next 4-5 years

No need to burn draft capital moving up from #38. A lot of quality OL and others available in the first half of round 2

I liked the Price pick at the time, but it was pretty well noted that he was a better guard prospect than a C. I think the reach was the trade down and the guy they wanted had already been picked.

I really liked the Michael Jordan pick as a developmental pick. He has bounced around at OSU, playing C his final season. He does profile as a G but was fairly raw. It was good value in the 4th. I don't know why it hasn't worked out with him.

Wyatt Davis profiles to be better than both of those two players. He is far more athletic at G, was a consensus All-American his R-Soph year, had somewhat of a down year last season. He was a 5* G recruit, you don't see too many of those guys unless you are special. Personally I think Davis is the type of guy you plug in a G for a decade and forget about it.

Just an aside, this past year is a tough one to evaluate, some teams got to play an entire schedule, others got 6. Some teams got a full fall practice and others got a disjointed one. I can't really speak for other programs, but I know OSU has issues with COVID which really curtailed their practice time as the season went along. You will see some steals later in this draft because guys had disappointing years in a pandemic season.

[Kingspoint]

Yeah the ESPN analysis of the pick really rubbed it in. Did not feel good, but they were right.


This Chase kid will be exciting, but the whole deep threat aspect isn’t going to matter much when Burrow never has any time to throw to him.

The Lions literally leaped out of their seats and turned in their pick of Sewell in seconds when it was their turn. Ironically, their next pick should be WR, so we'll see the combo OT/WR the Bengals could have had. Also, ironically, Jared Goff's LT's over his career will be Whitworth and Sewell. Lucky guy.

[podgejeff_]

I'm hoping they go with Landon Dickerson, assuming medicals are clean.

[WrongVerb]

Bengals trade back in the second and pick up 2 4th round picks.

[Tony Cloninger]

So no Jenkins. No Eichenberg who I wanted. Ok.

[Reds Fanatic]

Bengals get Jackson Carman OL Clemson

https://www.nfl.com/prospects/jackson-carman/32004341-5219-8645-d8f8-13f7e39c03a5

[RedTeamGo!]

Omg Jackson Carmen suckssss.

This 2nd round could not have gone worse for the bengals. Why in the name of all that is holy did they trade their pick?????

They clearly thought they could move down to 46 and still get Eichenberg or one of the others. Then there was an absolute run on OL and they settled for Carmen whose career at Clemson was a gigantic disappointment. Ask any clemson fan. A classic example of trying to be the smartest guy in the room. Just pick your guy at 36.

Wow.

[Wonderful Monds]

Can’t even remember how many young QBs have been broken by having garbage, inadequate lines early on in their careers. A team an hour north from here just lost their own generational talent QB because they could never put together a line good enough to stop him from getting constantly injured.

So yeah, better pick a wide receiver when there’s a player that could solve this problem for the next decade for us available in our draft spot.

This franchise is so inept, I’m not going to be sad when they move to San Diego or whatever in 5 years. Excruciatingly stupid.

This is still true and this dumbass team still can’t identify OL talent lmao


The second round there is the ENTIRE reason you don’t pass up on the T available that you’d have to try hard to screw up. Idiots.

[UKFlounder]

Very Drew Sample-like pick
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[Ohayou]

Not a bad pick. Bit of a project, but he's got the size and movement you want to see. He may not be the future RT, but he's got a lot of upside at Guard.

[texasdave]

He's from Fairfield, Ohio. So, there is that.

[Tony Cloninger]

Still a reach when you could have had the ND guy. I know Jenkins had injury concerns.

Like it has been said. When you don’t sign a G in FA you end of reaching. Hopefully there’s some decent G left in the 4th. I have feeling they will go DE in the 3rd.

[UKFlounder]

Maybe upside in a couple of years but not the instant help they badly need.

A good get in 4th round - not in the 2nd.





Not a bad pick. Bit of a project, but he's got the size and movement you want to see. He may not be the future RT, but he's got a lot of upside at Guard.

[Oxilon]

Not a bad pick. Bit of a project, but he's got the size and movement you want to see. He may not be the future RT, but he's got a lot of upside at Guard.

Sounds like a mid to late round pick.

This franchise is clueless.

[KoryMac5]

Maybe upside in a cou)Ke of years but not the instant help they badly need.

A good get in 4th round - not in the 2nd.

3rd round grade sources said they figured he may go in the 2nd but later...

It's still puzzling though...

Will slot in at guard worked with Willie and Alexander who are both high on him...perhaps with some development they see him long term playing tackle after a year at guard.

https://www.si.com/nfl/bengals/news/cincinnati-bengals-interested-in-clemson-offensive-lineman-jackson-carman

[Sea Ray]

This review disagrees with you guys:

https://forum.go-bengals.com/index.php?/topic/86475-rd-2-bengals-draft-jackson-carman-ol/&tab=comments#comment-1638153

[Tony Cloninger]

Paul Alexander!! Slowly I turn. Step by step. Ketchup bottle in hand.

[KoryMac5]

Not sure where folks are getting their info from...

CBSSports has Carman going in the second round at pick No. 45 to the Jacksonville Jaguars, where he would join former Clemson quarterback Trevor Lawrence, the presumptive No. 1 pick on Thursday.

USA TODAY Sports has Carman as the fifth-best tackle, with the top three – Penei Sewell of Oregon, Rashawn Slater of Northwestern and Christian Darrisaw of Virginia Tech – consensus first-round picks.
ESPN analysts Mel Kiper Jr. and Todd McShay both have that trio going in the top 20 overall.


“Outstanding natural power presence can make (Carman) look like a man among boys at times,” USA TODAY wrote in ranking him just below Jalen Mayfield of Michigan. “He has a big base attached to feet that can stay active and quick. He has heavy hands that do damage on contact.”

Some experts speculate that Carman is better suited as a guard, and he conceded that NFL teams have asked him about that.

[KoryMac5]

Chris Simms from twitter:


Jackson Carman makes me feel a lot better about
@Bengals passing up on Penei Sewell in Round 1. Carman has a high ceiling, could be the best guard out of this draft.

[Sea Ray]

My issue is that back surgery. We don't have good luck with that sort of thing

[RiverRat13]

PFF had him as 48th on their board but my own eyes saw him get worked by OSU 5 months ago.

[RedTeamGo!]

PFF had him as 48th on their board but my own eyes saw him get worked by OSU 5 months ago.

By one of the weakest d-lines OSU has had in the past 10 years.

[oregonred]

Chris Simms from twitter:

How dare you bring a favorable view on a Bengals pick from a nationally respected analyst over anonymous internet naysayers

[Bob Sheed]

I don't get the skepticism here. Clearly the Bengals front office's track record in regard to drafting offensive linemen speaks for itself.

[UKFlounder]

After reading more maybe he’s a better pick than I originally thought, but I’m still a little skeptical about it

[oregonred]

3rd round getting close. Still some quality OL on the board. Hated to see Humphrey go at #64 to KC

[RiverRat13]

Ossai in the 3rd.

[Reds Fanatic]

Ossai in the 3rd.

Ossai is a good pick.

https://www.nfl.com/prospects/joseph-ossai/32004f53-5302-9663-dacb-d6922d4bb6a0

[KoryMac5]

Ossai awesome pick...nice pass rush off the edge

[RedTeamGo!]

Ossai good pick.

[RiverRat13]

My guess is they go OL, 3 tech, and RB in the 4th tomorrow. Not necessarily in that order.

[KoryMac5]

Ossai had a second round grade still developing as he changed positions last year...huge motor guy. Not a bad DL with Hubbard, Ossai, Hendrickson, on the edge.

[UKFlounder]

I expect another WR and perhaps a young CB will be two choices tomorrow , though maybe not both in the 4th


My guess is they go OL, 3 tech, and RB in the 4th tomorrow. Not necessarily in that order.

[KoryMac5]

WR, OL, DE...nice first 3 rounds by the Bengals...Ossai was a steal in the 3rd.

[RiverRat13]

Had they gone Ossai in the 2nd and Carman in the 3rd, there would have been less outcry.

[Ohayou]

Cuz this thread needs some wholesome content:

https://twitter.com/Bengals/status/1388305166127009796

I need a compilation made of Zac Taylor saying "We're fired up" to literally every single player he's ever drafted.

Love the Ossai pick. Many thought he would go in the 1st not too long ago. Reminiscent of getting Hubbard where we did.

[WrongVerb]

My guess is they go OL, 3 tech, and RB in the 4th tomorrow. Not necessarily in that order.

Michael Carter is still out there, and he'd be the perfect Gio replacement.

[oregonred]

Michael Carter is still out there, and he'd be the perfect Gio replacement.

Yep, would be a great pick with one of the 4s

[oregonred]

I don't get the skepticism here. Clearly the Bengals front office's track record in regard to drafting offensive linemen speaks for itself.

So by this logic either Sewell or Slater would have been a bad pick if picked by the Bengals

[Big Klu]

May want to think about drafting a QB tomorrow, because they're going to need another one after they break the one they have in half.

[Sea Ray]

PFF had him as 48th on their board but my own eyes saw him get worked by OSU 5 months ago.

He had a bad back that needed surgery at that point

[757690]

It seems from reporting that the Bengals got the players they wanted in the draft.

For every Bengal fan, that is extremely worrisome.

[Tony Cloninger]

He’s a project even at G when you need a starter now. He also has medical issue with his back. Good luck.

[WrongVerb]

Dream for the 4th round:

Michael Carter
Deonte Brown
Rashad Weaver or another reasonable edge guy

[WrongVerb]

Walt from walterfootball.com had this to say about the Carmen pick...


Cincinnati Bengals: Jackson Carman, OT/G, Clemson - A+ Grade
I love this pick. Back in February, some league sources told us that Jackson Carman could sneak into the opening round. He obviously didn't, so the Bengals are getting awesome value with Carman, especially when considering that they traded down eight spots. They had to improve their offensive line to protect Joe Burrow, and they did just that with Carman

[KoryMac5]

I don't see him as a huge project though...he needs development but he is a kid who has reshaped his body and got better in pass protection every year. If you put this kid at guard you won't see him get pushed into the QB like Jordan did all last season.

[WVRed]

Dream for the 4th round:

Michael Carter
Kendrick Green or Deonte Brown
Rashad Weaver or another reasonable edge guy

Steelers took Kendrick Green.

I’d be fine with Carter or Gainwell.

[WrongVerb]

Steelers took Kendrick Green.

I’d be fine with Carter or Gainwell.

Thanks. Just realized that and edited my post accordingly.

[Ohayou]

Round 4 I like:

RB Michael Carter
OL James Hudson
OL Trey Smith
DT Daviyon Nixon
DT Jay Tufele
DE Rashad Weaver
LB Jabril Cox
LB Dylan Moses

[oregonred]

Round 4 I like:

RB Michael Carter
OL James Hudson
OL Trey Smith
DT Daviyon Nixon
DT Jay Tufele
DE Rashad Weaver
LB Jabril Cox
LB Dylan Moses

Good list

Bengals have the 6th, 17th and 34th picks in the 4th round today

From ESPN analytics, the Patriots 2nd round movedown trade last night from 38 to 46 netted the equivalent of a mid-late third rounder in added value for the Bengals (the Falcons right before them netted only a 5th equivalent for moving from 35 to 40). Minimum of two guys on that list and one of the OLs would be great value in round 4.

Everyone bangs the drum of trading down every year to get more value. We joke about them not helping other teams, not having phone service, etc. but they actually did it again this year (same as 2017 and 2019) and everyone still whines and complains...

[oregonred]

Carman is growing on me as a 2nd round pick and NFL Guard + the tradedown bonus in round 4. I have scars but seem to remember him doing very well in the 2019 playoff game vs. Chase Young and a very good OSU defensive front.

I wish they somehow had a late 3rd to grab one of Wyatt Davis, George or Cleveland. Desperatley need another IOL in round 4 (or late FA/cutdowns)

THe NFL FA comp system is a convolted mess. That dropped in 12 picks at the end of round 3 mostly for top tier teams not needing any additional help whatsoever. A top comp pick for Dinsoaur Philip Rivers and Bridgewater who both lasted one year with new teams. Geeschh

Hopefully losing WJ3 and Lawson to $15M/yr deals nets a 3rd comp pick next year

[Reds Fanatic]

Bengals take Cameron Sample DE Tulane

https://www.nfl.com/prospects/cameron-sample/32005341-4d06-2951-186e-cb95f4914a26

[Ohayou]

Good pick. Played really well at the Senior Bowl. Could potentially move inside.

[WrongVerb]

Sounds like there's good upside with Sample.

[Sea Ray]

Carman is growing on me as a 2nd round pick and NFL Guard + the tradedown bonus in round 4. I have scars but seem to remember him doing very well in the 2019 playoff game vs. Chase Young and a very good OSU defensive front.

I wish they somehow had a late 3rd to grab one of Wyatt Davis, George or Cleveland. Desperatley need another IOL in round 4 (or late FA/cutdowns)

THe NFL FA comp system is a convolted mess. That dropped in 12 picks at the end of round 3 mostly for top tier teams not needing any additional help whatsoever. A top comp pick for Dinsoaur Philip Rivers and Bridgewater who both lasted one year with new teams. Geeschh

Hopefully losing WJ3 and Lawson to $15M/yr deals nets a 3rd comp pick next year

I doubt that'll happen. We balanced that by signing two major FAs

[RiverRat13]

Still need an OL and 3 Tech this round.

[Reds Fanatic]

Bengals next 4th round pic

Tyler Shelvin DT LSU

https://www.nfl.com/prospects/tyler-shelvin/32005348-4545-6684-4da6-4d9633769e66

[Tony Cloninger]

The amount of help this DC is beyond comprehension. At least hire a Wade Phillips type who had a history of building defenses.

[WrongVerb]

Hoping Gainwell lasts to 138

[Ohayou]

No Skyline for Shelvin.

[klw]

Good pick. Played really well at the Senior Bowl. Could potentially move inside.

Isn't one game a small Sample size?

[WrongVerb]

The final 5 selections should be offense, unless there's a huge value pick. Maybe take a DB late.

[Larkin90]

This entire franchise has gone completely off the deep end. Everyone in the world went into this offseason knowing, for a fact, that this team had to make dramatic improvements to its offensive line. Not for it to be “good”, but for it to simply be better than “historically bad”. So what did ZT and company do? They made a minor improvement at RT and drafted 1 injured G that projects as a backup if healthy. In the meantime, their starting C and starting LT will both be coming off of major knee injuries and probably won’t be at full strength or speed anytime this season. So...our Oline actually projects to be even worse than last season...somehow.

[oregonred]

Shelvin is a mountain in the middle. The dude is huuugeee. Plug him in next to Reader...

Everyone forgets the Bengals DL was terrible last year

Last I checked they face Chubb/Hunt twice a year and the Ravens ran for about a thousand yards on them last year. And the Steelers just took Najee in round 1

The value in Round 4 has been on the DL/Edge. Building the trenches at DL is the next best thing to OL. It helps to get off the field every once in a while and not play 2 TDs behind every 2nd half

Some posters just want to whine for a living

I love the Tommy T to Cleveland pick. He should have come back to OSU this year... Damn the Brownies are loading up on D this draft and in FA

[Ohayou]

This entire franchise has gone completely off the deep end. Everyone in the world went into this offseason knowing, for a fact, that this team had to make dramatic improvements to its offensive line. Not for it to be “good”, but for it to simply be better than “historically bad”. So what did ZT and company do? They made a minor improvement at RT and drafted 1 injured G that projects as a backup if healthy. In the meantime, their starting C and starting LT will both be coming off of major knee injuries and probably won’t be at full strength or speed anytime this season. So...our Oline actually projects to be even worse than last season...somehow.

Reiff is not a minor improvement, and if you honestly believe Carman is not an upgrade at G then IDK what to tell you...we had arguably the worst guards in the NFL last year. Also, Williams is having a normal offseason. He did not have a major knee injury, as that would mean ligament damage.

[RedTeamGo!]

Shelvin is a mountain in the middle. The dude is huuugeee. Plug him in next to Reader...

Everyone forgets the Bengals DL was terrible last year

Last I checked they face Chubb/Hunt twice a year and the Ravens ran for about a thousand yards on them last year. And the Steelers just took Najee in round 1

The value in Round 4 has been on the DL/Edge. Building the trenches at DL is the next best thing to OL. It helps to get off the field every once in a while and not play 2 TDs behind every 2nd half

Some posters just want to whine for a living

I love the Tommy T to Cleveland pick. He should have come back to OSU this year... Damn the Brownies are loading up on D this draft and in FA

Browns GM, Andrew Berry, is absolutely killing it. It’s wild watching one of your teams have an actual competent leader running the show.

100% agree Togiai made a major mistake leaving OSU. He could have come back and been dominant in 2021 and been drafted in 1st or 2nd round next year. Just a gigantic life-changing mistake.

[UKFlounder]

Don’t they still have Totopu who opted out last year? (To go with Reader) Or is he not that good?



Shelvin is a mountain in the middle. The dude is huuugeee. Plug him in next to Reader...

Everyone forgets the Bengals DL was terrible last year

Last I checked they face Chubb/Hunt twice a year and the Ravens ran for about a thousand yards on them last year. And the Steelers just took Najee in round 1

The value in Round 4 has been on the DL/Edge. Building the trenches at DL is the next best thing to OL. It helps to get off the field every once in a while and not play 2 TDs behind every 2nd half

Some posters just want to whine for a living

I love the Tommy T to Cleveland pick. He should have come back to OSU this year... Damn the Brownies are loading up on D this draft and in FA

[Bob Sheed]

We joke about them not helping other teams, not having phone service, etc. but they actually did it again this year (same as 2017 and 2019) and everyone still whines and complains...

You know what would go a long way to squash talk like that?

Winning a playoff game. Last time that happened was 1990.

You know what else might help?

1. Not being the only cold weather team without an indoor practice facility. Prepping for an away dome game, in the freezing cold/rain/etc, is dumb.
2. How bout having more than 2 scouts. The Steelers have like 17.
3. I think Paul Brown passed down a lot of psychological damage to his kids and grandkids concerning trust issues outside of the family. It would be good to get them some therapy and hire someone competent outside the organization to run the team.
4. I would have liked to see them do more, a lot more, to address the offensive line. (see: KC Chiefs) I'll bet Joe Burrow's other ACL, MCL and knee feels the same way.
5. Why oh why is Lou still coaching defense... What else does he need to do to get fired? Oh I forgot. He's under contract, that's why.
6. Cheaping out on non-cap related expenditures has always been Mike Brown's jam. From top to bottom, corners are cut everywhere. Old ass tvs. Scratchy toilet paper, even in the suites. I remember when Dillon first landed in New England and saw the Patriots food spread. Top of the line, catered, all of it. He's like, where's the luke-warm mock turtle soup and stale crackers? :lol:

Anyway though... Winning quiets the critics. Always has.





Some posters just want to whine for a living



Some teams always seem to find a way. Other teams always seem to find a way to make excuses.

[Larkin90]

Shelvin is a mountain in the middle. The dude is huuugeee. Plug him in next to Reader...

Everyone forgets the Bengals DL was terrible last year

Last I checked they face Chubb/Hunt twice a year and the Ravens ran for about a thousand yards on them last year. And the Steelers just took Najee in round 1

The value in Round 4 has been on the DL/Edge. Building the trenches at DL is the next best thing to OL. It helps to get off the field every once in a while and not play 2 TDs behind every 2nd half

Some posters just want to whine for a living

I love the Tommy T to Cleveland pick. He should have come back to OSU this year... Damn the Brownies are loading up on D this draft and in FA

What's the point in getting off the field if the offensive line can't protect the QB? Bengals QB's are absolutely going to set an NFL record for most sacks ever this coming season. ZT was supposed to be an offensive minded coach, but this makes 2 off-seasons in a row where 90% of free agency and draft capital was completely wasted on defense. You could put Ray Lewis, Lawrence Taylor, Reggie White, and Deion Sanders all in their prime on this team and it wouldn't make any difference with Lou as the DC. Quit wasting pick after pick on garbage defensive players and protect the QB.

My only remaining hope for this coming season is that Joe Burrow chooses to sit out in protest of this organization's malpractice.

[RiverRat13]

Still have Tupou.

[Reds Fanatic]

D’Ante Smith OT East Carolina is the next 4th round pick

https://www.nfl.com/prospects/d'ante-smith/3200534d-4915-8485-38aa-6f1227a1aeea

[WVRed]

D’Ante Smith (OT-East Carolina)

https://www.nfl.com/prospects/d'ante-smith/3200534d-4915-8485-38aa-6f1227a1aeea

[Bob Sheed]

What's the point in getting off the field if the offensive line can't protect the QB? Bengals QB's are absolutely going to set an NFL record for most sacks ever this coming season. ZT was supposed to be an offensive minded coach, but this makes 2 off-seasons in a row where 90% of free agency and draft capital was completely wasted on defense. You could put Ray Lewis, Lawrence Taylor, Reggie White, and Deion Sanders all in their prime on this team and it wouldn't make any difference with Lou as the DC. Quit wasting pick after pick on garbage defensive players and protect the QB.

My only remaining hope for this coming season is that Joe Burrow chooses to sit out in protest of this organization's malpractice.

I feel you but c'mon. That defense you described would be better than the 2000 Ravens. Better than the 85 Bears. The offense wouldn't even need to throw the ball. Just don't turn it over. Trent Dilfer got a ring out of it, pretty sure Burrow could do even more. :lol:

[Larkin90]

Reiff is not a minor improvement, and if you honestly believe Carman is not an upgrade at G then IDK what to tell you...we had arguably the worst guards in the NFL last year. Also, Williams is having a normal offseason. He did not have a major knee injury, as that would mean ligament damage.

Reiff's 2020 PFF grade was 71.4
Hart's 2020 PFF grade was 66.3 (while playing next to a continuous carousel of "the worst guards in the NFL")

I'd call that a pretty minor improvement.

And yes, I don't believe you can make a practical argument that Carman is an upgrade at G over Spain or XSF. He's projected as an NFL backup. Is he better at G than maybe Redmond or Jordan? Sure, that's possible. But he's not an upgrade over our projected starters, certainly not on day 1 while recovering from back surgery.

Also, Williams missed the final 4 games of the season with his knee injury (a ligament "sprain"). I'd call that a pretty major injury.

[RiverRat13]

For the "build the trenches" folks, the Bengals just took 5 guys in rounds 2-4 who are OL or DL. I don't know if they are the right guys at those positions, but they've certainly addressed the lines in this draft.

[Sea Ray]

One sack in 450 dropbacks don't suck

[Reds Fanatic]

Evan McPherson K Florida

https://www.nfl.com/prospects/evan-mcpherson/32004d43-5057-1021-94d9-4d594be79c9e

[Sea Ray]

A kicker!

Evan McPherson

[Tony Cloninger]

Another OL who’s got injury concerns. You can’t tell me that a healthy OL is not available?

[RedTeamGo!]

Oof why draft a kicker in the 5th round (or ever)?

[WVRed]

Best kicker in the draft.

Also means bye bye Bullock (hopefully)

[Reds Fanatic]

Best kicker in the draft.

Also means bye bye Bullock (hopefully)

bullock is already gone to Detroit

[UKFlounder]

Bullock signed with the Lions.

This may be another Jake Elliott

‘
Best kicker in the draft.

Also means bye bye Bullock (hopefully)

[Tony Cloninger]

I remember when they drafted Rex Robinson from Georgia. They had Ian Sunter and Nick Lowrey in camp. They chose Sunter. Breech ended up kicking for them by the last 4 games of the year. I always thought they could have done better then Breech even after his good 1981 season.

Chris Bahr was the worst kicker I ever saw. Personally lost 6 games in 78-79 with missing extra points and reasonable FG.

[KoryMac5]

Best kicker in the draft.

Also means bye bye Bullock (hopefully)

Bullock already signed with another team...

[KoryMac5]

This draft was all about the trenches as we had two of the worst lines in football last season...5 picks dedicated to fixing that.

I think folks are sleeping on the Smith and Sample picks both really good athletic players.

[WVRed]

Love how Gainwell went right after the McPherson pick.

[KoryMac5]

I get drafting a kicker but why keep the kid from Cleveland on the roster all yr long...

roster mismanagement...

[UKFlounder]

It might have been a COVID thing - if Bullock had been dick, protocols may not have allowed them to bring a new guy in quickly.


I get drafting a kicker but why keep the kid from Cleveland on the roster all yr long...

roster mismanagement...

[Bob Sheed]

Bullock signed with the Lions.

This may be another Jake Elliott

‘

Hopefully the Bengals give him more of a chance than they did Jake Elliott. For a team owner that likes to say "we're not in the business of making other teams better", they sure made the Philadelphia Eagles better with that pick.

[Sea Ray]

Oof why draft a kicker in the 5th round (or ever)?

At least it wasn't Sarah Fuller...

Seriously, they could afford to do this because they had three 4th round picks

[WrongVerb]

Check out this video of the kicker they just drafted doing something that should be impossible.

https://twitter.com/JomboyMedia/status/1388559020999446528?s=19

[KoryMac5]

Simmons said you usually have to take a kicker 1 round earlier then the grade you have on him as other teams will pick the kid you want...

I like that McPherson gets excited to kick 50 yarders kid seems to like pressure.

[WrongVerb]

C Trey Hill is the pick at 190.

[Reds Fanatic]

Trey Hill

https://www.nfl.com/prospects/trey-hill/32004849-4c62-3828-2b4b-8f177f08ab12

[Ohayou]

Reiff's 2020 PFF grade was 71.4
Hart's 2020 PFF grade was 66.3 (while playing next to a continuous carousel of "the worst guards in the NFL")

I'd call that a pretty minor improvement.

And yes, I don't believe you can make a practical argument that Carman is an upgrade at G over Spain or XSF. He's projected as an NFL backup. Is he better at G than maybe Redmond or Jordan? Sure, that's possible. But he's not an upgrade over our projected starters, certainly not on day 1 while recovering from back surgery.

Also, Williams missed the final 4 games of the season with his knee injury (a ligament "sprain"). I'd call that a pretty major injury.

He improved ever so slightly in 2020. But what did he do before that? Have you seen that version of Bobby Hart? The difference is, Reiff has been a mainstay at LT throughout his ENTIRE career, protecting both Stafford and Cousins, and he's played the position at an above average level every year. There is no comparison between the two.

And of course you can make that argument about Carman. IDK who you're listening to, but a lot of people love the pick, including PFF (#48 on their board) who you brought up, not to mention people who work with offensive lineman every day for a living. He was a Top 5 ranked G from multiple sources.

Knowing we already picked Chase, who would you have liked in the 2nd? Because if you want to look at NFL.com grades, literally every single lineman that went in the 2nd outside of Jenkins were all graded the same as Carman. There are people here on Team Chase bemoaning the pick, which is fine, but I want to know exactly why picking Carman over Jenkins, Radunz, Cosmi, Eichenberg, Little, Humphrey, Davis, etc. ruins the draft for them. Jenkins, I will admit, I would have loved at 38. But the other guys? Where's that gap?

Sprains are incredibly common, especially in football. Some take a few weeks to heal, others months. All reports indicate Jonah's lasted a few weeks and has not impacted his offseason training.

[Bourgeois Zee]

Trey Hill

https://www.nfl.com/prospects/trey-hill/32004849-4c62-3828-2b4b-8f177f08ab12

I like the Hill pick.

He's young (a junior and rare true freshman contributor at UGA) and can play both guard and center.

Between he, Carman, and Smith, Cincinnati has addressed their weakness at interior linemen.

[Reds Fanatic]

Chris Evans RB Michigan is the next 6th pick

https://www.nfl.com/prospects/chris-evans/32004556-4110-5967-b1b8-845c260e1531

[WrongVerb]

RB Chris Evans is the selection at 202

[WrongVerb]

Sounds like Evans is a steal. Very little mileage on him. Can play on 3rd down.

[KoryMac5]

“Cincinnati has had a good draft” - ESPN’s Louis Riddick

I agree with the above...I think many of us wanted the team to fix the trenches and they did just that.

[RiverRat13]

I think my biggest reservation with the Carman pick is that we assumed they'd take a guy to play RG in 2021 who could slide out to play RT in 2022. Doesn't sound like that will happen with Carman. Which means they may end up needing to take an RT in the 1st next year.

[KoryMac5]

I think my biggest reservation with the Carman pick is that we assumed they'd take a guy to play RG in 2021 who could slide out to play RT in 2022. Doesn't sound like that will happen with Carman. Which means they may end up needing to take an RT in the 1st next year.

They have an option on Reiff if he plays really well for the team...plus I want to see Pollack work a bit in developing a guy like Fred Johnson or the kid from Kansas they took last year

[RiverRat13]

They have an option on Reiff if he plays really well for the team...plus I want to see Pollack work a bit in developing a guy like Fred Johnson or the kid from Kansas they took last yearPollack by all accounts is better than Turner but he built his reputation working with a lot of 1st round lineman in Dallas and didn't move the needle much with the Jets line. And the Bengals don't have many examples of quality tackles taken outside of the first two rounds.

[UKFlounder]

I wonder if Lou’s planning on using a 7-man d-line, LOL

[Reds Fanatic]

Draft wraps up with Wyatt Hubert DE Kansas State

https://www.nfl.com/prospects/wyatt-hubert/32004855-4272-4408-ac91-9d2177a621a0

[Bob Sheed]

I have to remind everyone that just because the Bengals drafted some offensive linemen, doesn't mean they sufficiently addressed the offensive line situation. Take note of last year's draft, for example:

Cincinnati Bengals 2020 NFL Draft picks

Round 1, pick 1: Joe Burrow, QB, LSU

Round 2, pick 33: Tee Higgins, WR, Clemson

Round 3, pick 65: Logan Wilson, LB, Wyoming

Round 4, pick 107: Akeem Davis-Gaither, LB, Appalachian State

Round 5, pick 147: Khalid Kareem, DE, Notre Dame

Round 6, pick 180: Hakeem Adeniji, OT, Kansas

Round 7, pick 215: Markus Bailey, LB, Purdue

The first 3 were immediate contributors. I confess, I know nothing about the last 4. So if this draft is similar, we'll get immediate production out of the WR, OL (moved to guard I assume), and DL. That coupled with what the Bengals currently have, at least with the oline, leaves absolutely zero room for error/injury. If even one of them goes down, they are in a similar boat as last season, plugging in scrubs that will get Burrow hurt.

They should have done more to address the oline in free agency.

[membengal]

Seven of ten picks on offensive or defensive line. It’s the draft all you “build the trenches” folks have been asking for. Bodies and competition all over the place.

[Bob Sheed]

Ideally you plug holes in free agency, and take BPA in the draft.

What you try to avoid is not sufficiently addressing areas of weakness in free agency and then over compensating for it in the draft.

[RiverRat13]

I wonder if Lou’s planning on using a 7-man d-line, LOLRemember last year they had to bring back Margus Hunt of all people. I'm not surprised they took a lot of swings at DL. They need bodies there.

[KoryMac5]

Ideally you plug holes in free agency, and take BPA in the draft.

What you try to avoid is not sufficiently addressing areas of weakness in free agency and then over compensating for it in the draft.

The last two years they have spent more in FA than the previous 5...they just loaded up more on the defensive side of the ball. Would have loved another lineman in FA but they did well there in the draft. If we look at FA ano the draft as a whole I would give them a solid B.

[Tony Cloninger]

I like how they went DL. I was surprised no CB even with all the signings.

I just wish they would hire a DC with a better track record.

[oregonred]

I think they nailed the approach (first time in years) and the value available in each round.

We can and will argue the choices in rounds 2-4 but the build both trenches philosophy was spot on

WR1++, IOL/flex T, DE, DE, DT, upside OT, K, C, RB, DE was right on target

The NE round 2 trade down netted a mid-3rd round upside bonus per value analytics

Loved the three late picks in Rounds 6-7

K Maybe a round early

Needed another pick in late 2nd/mid 3rd for OL but not realistic

[Todd Gack]

Simple solution is never reach for a first round pick with injury history or especially where the first year is going to require significant rehab - especially OLine or Dline where leg strength and contact is paramount. Cedric and Billy Price are perfect examples along with John Glass. The salary structure dictates immediate production from your round 1-2 picks. By that simple criteria that would have eliminated the three worst first round picks in the last ten years. Let other more thorough teams evaluate and sift through injury risks in round 1.

I know not an OL, but will never figure out the John Ross pick at #9

So we’re just going to ignore Jonah Williams?

[Todd Gack]

Seven of ten picks on offensive or defensive line. It’s the draft all you “build the trenches” folks have been asking for. Bodies and competition all over the place.

We’re definitely a better team after the draft. The Carman pick still bothers me but we did pick up a few extra picks because of him. I think other guys were probably safer picks. But I’m happy we picked up a kicker so our offensive genius of a coach can continually kick FG on 4th and 1.

[RichRed]

I guess you could argue that if there was ever a year to draft a kicker early, this was the year, considering teams had more incomplete medical reports and less game footage on players than ever before.

[Tony Cloninger]

I was hoping they could have picked up the LB from Alabama in UFA along with G Tommy Kraemer from ND. Don’t know how those 2 were not drafted at all.

[WVRed]

I was hoping they could have picked up the LB from Alabama in UFA along with G Tommy Kraemer from ND. Don’t know how those 2 were not drafted at all.

Or Darius Stills (DT-WVU)

[Redsfaithful]

Some grades:

https://www.theringer.com/2021/5/1/22415236/nfl-draft-team-grades-picks-rounds-tracker


Cincinnati Bengals

WR Ja’Marr Chase, LSU (Round 1, Pick 5)
OT Jackson Carman, Clemson (Round 2, Pick 46)
EDGE Joseph Ossai, Texas (Round 3, Pick 69)
EDGE Cameron Sample, Tulane (Round 4, Pick 111)
DT Tyler Shelvin, LSU (Round 4, Pick 122)
OT D’Ante Smith, East Carolina (Round 4, Pick 139)
K Evan McPherson, Florida (Round 5, Pick 149)
C Trey Hill, Georgia (Round 6, Pick 190)
RB Chris Evans, Michigan (Round 6, Pick 202)
DE Wyatt Hubert, Kansas State (Round 7, Pick 235)

The Bengals’ decision to go with Chase over Penei Sewell at no. 5 was controversial, and I probably would have taken the foundational offensive tackle instead of this draft’s top wide receiver. But that doesn’t mean I don’t love Chase, who could put up massive numbers after being reunited with his former college quarterback Joe Burrow. And Cincinnati did address its offensive line needs by taking Carman in the second round, Smith in the fourth, and Hill in the sixth. They should give Burrow a little more time to operate than he had during the 2020 season.

Grade: A-

https://www.pff.com/news/draft-2021-nfl-draft-grades-all-32-teams#CIN


CINCINNATI BENGALS

R1 (5): WR Ja’Marr Chase, LSU
R2 (46): OT Jackson Carman, Clemson
R3 (69): EDGE Joseph Ossai, Texas
R4 (111): EDGE Cameron Sample, Tulane
R4 (122): DI Tyler Shelvin, LSU
R4 (139): T D'Ante Smith, East Carolina
R5 (149): K Evan McPherson, Florida
R6 (190): C Trey Hill, Georgia
R6 (202): RB Chris Evans, Michigan
R7 (235): EDGE Wyatt Hubert, Kansas State

Day 1: The Bengals bring in former LSU receiver Ja’Marr Chase, reuniting him with national championship-winning quarterback Joe Burrow. Chase dominated the 2019 season, posting a 91.1 PFF grade to go along with 20 touchdowns, all thrown by Burrow. Cincinnati passes on an offensive lineman to bolster a receiving corps that was lacking a contested-catch monster. They now have one.

Day 2: After reuniting Joe Burrow with Ja’Marr Chase in Round 1, the Bengals attack the offensive line as expected here. It remains to be seen whether Carman plays tackle or guard in Cincinnati, but he raises the talent level of the group regardless of where he lines up. Carman has an impressive combination of size and athleticism and was playing his best football toward the end of the 2020 season.

The Bengals lost Carl Lawson to the New York Jets earlier this offseason in free agency. They’ve since offset that loss by bringing in Trey Hendrickson in free agency and Ossai here. Ossai is an explosive athlete off the edge whose biggest strength, as listed in the PFF Draft Guide, is his motor. That motor and his athleticism form a winning combination off the edge. He should make an impact early as a rotational pass rusher.

Day 3: Cincinnati got great value with Cameron Sample, who we projected as a third-round pick. He blossomed as a pass-rusher in 2020 with a 90.4 grade in that facet, tying for fifth-best among all FBS edge rushers. He then proceeded to post the highest win rate of any defensive lineman in the one-on-one drills at the Senior Bowl. Sample is a nimble, versatile and powerful player who should’ve come off the board on Day 2.

Draft Grade: B

https://www.nfl.com/news/2021-nfl-draft-final-quick-snap-grades-for-all-32-teams



Grade
B+
Cincinnati Bengals

Draft picks

LSU WR Ja'Marr Chase (No. 5 overall)
Clemson OT Jackson Carman (No. 46)
Texas DE Joseph Ossai (No. 69)
Tulane DE Cameron Sample (No. 111)
LSU DT Tyler Shelvin (No. 122)
East Carolina OT D’Ante Smith (No. 139)
Florida K Evan McPherson (No. 149)
Georgia C Trey Hill (No. 190)
Michigan RB Chris Evans (No. 202)
Kansas State DE Wyatt Hubert (No. 235)


Day 1 grade: B+

Day 2 grade: B+

Day 3 grade: B


Analysis: The Bengals had a choice between a dominant left tackle in Penei Sewell and an outstanding receiver in Chase. They chose Chase despite the fact that their young quarterback, Joe Burrow, had his rookie season cut short by an injury suffered in the pocket. They hope selecting Carman will rectify the situation and allow Burrow and Chase to rekindle the connection that led them to a national title. I’ll be interested to see if other tackles available at No. 46 turn out to be better players. Ossai’s high character and athleticism make him a shrewd pick in the third round.


Getting Sample early in the fourth round should help the pass rush. Shelvin’s powerful base makes him a nice run-stuffer in the fourth round -- something the Bengals really needed, as well. I’m a Smith fan because of his length and consistent effort. McPherson was bound to be a fifth-round pick, and the team needed to upgrade that position, but selecting a kicker comes with its share of risk. Hill is a thick-bodied center who could take a veteran’s job if they don’t perform up to expectations. Evans was suspended for the 2019 season due to an academic issue and didn’t see much action in 2020, but he has the skills to be a steal in the sixth round.

[KoryMac5]

Best receiving corp in the AFC North...fair to say with Chase, Boyd, and Higgins. Looking forward to seeing what they can do...

[membengal]

Taking Chase and then hammering the line w/ the next five picks was decidedly un-Bengals like - and most welcome. Throwing multiple bodies at those spots is a very Ravens-like approach to the draft process. The trade down and getting two fourths was pretty brilliant actually.

[RiverRat13]

We’re definitely a better team after the draft. The Carman pick still bothers me but we did pick up a few extra picks because of him. I think other guys were probably safer picks. But I’m happy we picked up a kicker so our offensive genius of a coach can continually kick FG on 4th and 1.Taylor deserves a lot of criticism and I'm still skeptical about him, but he was really aggressive about going for it on 4th down last year.

[KoryMac5]

Taylor deserves a lot of criticism and I'm still skeptical about him, but he was really aggressive about going for it on 4th down last year.

Yep they were 3rd in the league going for it on 4th...but Taylor does have a thing for kicking FG's late in games to avoid a shut out...

[oregonred]

So we’re just going to ignore Jonah Williams?

I am not sure the question but Jonah is the least of the issues on the oline... I don't believe that Jonah had any injury history at Bama and was considered the best and safest OL prospect in the 2019 draft. Was a good pick at #11 in a down year for O-line. Unfortunate on the training camp shoulder injury before his rookie season but he looked good in what was his rookie/rehab season last year

I am pretty intrigued with D'Ante Smith in Round 4. He looks like a nice upside Tackle propsect

The Bengals did very well in Rounds 3-6

[bucksfan2]

I give this draft a D-, up from an F that I had earlier.

Best Pick - Chris Evans - I think this guy will be a solid contributor as a RB. Players at UM tended to underperform, Evans is in that light. Think he will be a solid backup to Mixon, and will be able to replace him if he misses time.

Worst Pick - Chase/Carmen combo. Look, I wanted Sewell, but the idea of getting Chase + a tackle in round 2 was ok with me. But trading down and selecting Carmen voided that thought process. Carmen was never a guy who really lived up to his potential at Clemson, and I don't see him being much more than a backup at the NFL level. He is more of a project and not what the Bengals needed. I heard all along how this was such a deep draft at the OT and OG spot, well the Bengals managed to screw that up.

Most confusing pick - K in the 5th. The Bengals could use a good kicker no doubt, but there isn't value that high. Just for comparison's sake, the Bengals could have had Shawn Wade in the 5th instead of a K.

Overall I hated this draft. They did load up in the trenches, but stop me if you have heard this before, "developmental." They could have restocked the OL for a decade with their 2nd and 3rd round picks, but they tried to get too cute. They could have gone Chase/Eichenberg/Davis and I would have been ecstatic, but they didn't. They chose to go the high risk/high return route, and that too often fails with the Bengals. Hopefully I am wrong.

[oregonred]

I was pretty suprised Wyatt Davis lasted until pick #96 and Green right after to the Lunch Pail Yinzers at #87. Would have been great to somehow have another 3rd round pick in that range and grab one of those two IOLs

the 2nd round actually ended up Carman/Shelvin/D'Ante Smith with the NE trade down. That's a nice haul right there... Carman is an excellent run blocker and moving to Guard (with backup tackle in an injury pinch) may be the perfect fit

I am not down on Carman as much as most, I know he spurned OSU as an Ohio kid and #1 National OL recruit and it was a big recruiting fight on the OSU boards at the time. I don't think his time at Clemson was a failure. He was TL's blindside tackle for two years. Played well vs. Chase in the 2019 playoff game and was the only one on the Clemson line that wasn't horrible in the 2020 revenge playoff game

One thing to remember is that Carman is young. He is two years younger than Liam Eichenberg

[KoryMac5]

I give this draft a D-, up from an F that I had earlier.

Best Pick - Chris Evans - I think this guy will be a solid contributor as a RB. Players at UM tended to underperform, Evans is in that light. Think he will be a solid backup to Mixon, and will be able to replace him if he misses time.

Worst Pick - Chase/Carmen combo. Look, I wanted Sewell, but the idea of getting Chase + a tackle in round 2 was ok with me. But trading down and selecting Carmen voided that thought process. Carmen was never a guy who really lived up to his potential at Clemson, and I don't see him being much more than a backup at the NFL level. He is more of a project and not what the Bengals needed. I heard all along how this was such a deep draft at the OT and OG spot, well the Bengals managed to screw that up.

Most confusing pick - K in the 5th. The Bengals could use a good kicker no doubt, but there isn't value that high. Just for comparison's sake, the Bengals could have had Shawn Wade in the 5th instead of a K.

Overall I hated this draft. They did load up in the trenches, but stop me if you have heard this before, "developmental." They could have restocked the OL for a decade with their 2nd and 3rd round picks, but they tried to get too cute. They could have gone Chase/Eichenberg/Davis and I would have been ecstatic, but they didn't. They chose to go the high risk/high return route, and that too often fails with the Bengals. Hopefully I am wrong.

Any time you get 5-6 players in the top 150 in a draft that's a good draft...however I think some of the above critique is warranted...Jackson is not a guy I would have drafted with Jenkins sitting on the board...Jenkins to me was better than Cosmi, Davis, Eichenberg...group...Jackson screamed Mike Brown pick to me and indeed Brown talked to Alexander about Jackson...but the kid does have talent and had he gone in the 3rd I would be ok with that.

There will be development with all of these guys as they are rookies I am just hoping for a not so steep curve.

Time will tell it will be a fun thread to revisit.

[oregonred]

Again you have to remember it ended up being for future comparison sake;

Jenkins
Eichenberg
Carman/Shelvin/D'Ante Smith

[bucksfan2]

I was pretty suprised Wyatt Davis lasted until pick #96 and Green right after to the Lunch Pail Yinzers at #87. Would have been great to somehow have another 3rd round pick in that range and grab one of those two IOLs

the 2nd round actually ended up Carman/Shelvin/D'Ante Smith with the NE trade down. That's a nice haul right there... Carman is an excellent run blocker and moving to Guard (with backup tackle in an injury pinch) may be the perfect fit

I am not down on Carman as much as most, I know he spurned OSU as an Ohio kid and #1 National OL recruit and it was a big recruiting fight on the OSU boards at the time. I don't think his time at Clemson was a failure. He was TL's blindside tackle for two years. Played well vs. Chase in the 2019 playoff game and was the only one on the Clemson line that wasn't horrible in the 2020 revenge playoff game

Carman spurning OSU really has nothing to do with this. I have a buddy who is a huge Clemson fan and he pretty much said that Carman underachieved at Clemson. I was surprised he came out this season because I thought he could have worked on things and become a 1st rounder. Tools are there, but I don't think he ever really put it all together.

I would still rather have had Eichenberg/Davis than Carman/Shelvin/Smith. Really after the 2nd to 3rd round you are drafting on projection and development than anything else. Give me the more sure thing than the lottery ticket.

[oregonred]

Carman spurning OSU really has nothing to do with this. I have a buddy who is a huge Clemson fan and he pretty much said that Carman underachieved at Clemson. I was surprised he came out this season because I thought he could have worked on things and become a 1st rounder. Tools are there, but I don't think he ever really put it all together.

I would still rather have had Eichenberg/Davis than Carman/Shelvin/Smith. Really after the 2nd to 3rd round you are drafting on projection and development than anything else. Give me the more sure thing than the lottery ticket.

So your Clemson buddy is more of an authority than Pollack & Company and PFF. Carman could have come back next year, got hurt like Wyatt Davis and left millions on the table. I do like that he just turned 21. He is two years younger than 5th year Redshirt Senior Liam Eichenberg.

Also it is Carman/Ossai/Shelvin/Smith and Davis went 17 picks later than Ossai in the third. Which I thought was a steal for Minnesota. Wyatt Davis deserves a big 2nd contract. Rooting big time for the kid...

Shawn Wade was a mystery and another case of not opting out costing him millions. I do think the Ravens could be a nice fit.

[bucksfan2]

So your Clemson buddy is more of an authority than Pollack & Company and PFF. Carman could have come back next year, got hurt like Wyatt Davis and left millions on the table. I do like that he just turned 21. He is two years younger than 5th year Redshirt Senior Liam Eichenberg.

Also it is Carman/Ossai/Shelvin/Smith and Davis went 17 picks later than Ossai in the third. Which I thought was a steal for Minnesota. Wyatt Davis deserves a big 2nd contract. Rooting big time for the kid...

Shawn Wade was a mystery and another case of not opting out costing him millions. I do think the Ravens could be a nice fit.

I don't care for PFF's college coverage.

No my buddy is no expert, I do think the prevailing thought by most Clemson fans is Carman underachieved at Clemson. I think the local fans/beat/coverage can give you a good insight into a player. They can be right or wrong, but have a very good idea of a particular player. FWIW with all the information out there to fans, they can be pretty knowledgeable when it comes to their teams players. Just an FYI, PFF ranked Justin Hilliard in their top 100. Anyone who followed OSU knew that that was incorrect (I think he was the 2nd or 3rd rated OSU player.)

[KoryMac5]

I don't care for PFF's college coverage.

No my buddy is no expert, I do think the prevailing thought by most Clemson fans is Carman underachieved at Clemson. I think the local fans/beat/coverage can give you a good insight into a player. They can be right or wrong, but have a very good idea of a particular player. FWIW with all the information out there to fans, they can be pretty knowledgeable when it comes to their teams players. Just an FYI, PFF ranked Justin Hilliard in their top 100. Anyone who followed OSU knew that that was incorrect (I think he was the 2nd or 3rd rated OSU player.)

Carmen's biggest issue was playing at 340 lbs it will be interesting to see how he reports to camp...314 current wt or 340 or heavier...if he reports heavy than you know this pick was a swing and a miss...

[oregonred]

I despise pretty much everything about Ann Arbor, but Chris Evans may turn out to be a great 6th round pick (the Ryan Finley pick from Houston?) as a cheap Gio replacement. He could even be a better feature back than Gio ever was if Mixon gets hurt or in a pinch.

[Reds Freak]

I enjoy drafts because they are fun to see who your team adds and to watch teams wheel and deal. But I loathe the instant analysis and draft grades. Every draft is a crapshoot and can't really be evaluated until a few years down the road. There's hundreds of examples of sure-fire first-round picks turning into busts and throwaway late-round picks turning into solid contributors. Some guys who are average in college turn out to be good pros and vice versa.

It's a fun debate because that's what fans do, but let's not forget none of us really know what we're talking about trying to predicting how these guys will turn out.

[oregonred]

I don't care for PFF's college coverage.

No my buddy is no expert, I do think the prevailing thought by most Clemson fans is Carman underachieved at Clemson. I think the local fans/beat/coverage can give you a good insight into a player. They can be right or wrong, but have a very good idea of a particular player. FWIW with all the information out there to fans, they can be pretty knowledgeable when it comes to their teams players. Just an FYI, PFF ranked Justin Hilliard in their top 100. Anyone who followed OSU knew that that was incorrect (I think he was the 2nd or 3rd rated OSU player.)

I don't really think the local coverage gives you much flavor and insight on translation to the next level. Most fans are biased and anchor on recruiting process hype and TV-coverage and commentary. For the NFL Draft it is all about fit, need, scheme and coaching staff. So the 5th best player on the casual fans eye test at OSU could turn out to be an All-Pro or a flame out depending on NFL scheme, personnel decisions and coaching staff...

Carman as a road grading IOL and flex T + the 4th round trade down for Shelvin/Smith could turn out to be genius (or a major flop). THe Niners took a lower rated, 23.5 year old, 5th yr Senior, pure Guard right after Carman so who knows, maybe the Niners would have taken Carman right there at #47...

For once, I think every OSU draftee was undervalued for some reason this cycle (except Werner and maybe Sermon). Hilliard would have been a nice UDFA for the Bengals to bring in.

[RiverRat13]

I saw on another board that PFF is projecting the Bengals to have the 4th most improved offensive line. PFF is projecting the Bengals line to be league average, which isn't a ringing endorsement, but should be enough for the skill guys to shine.

[oregonred]

I saw on another board that PFF is projecting the Bengals to have the 4th most improved offensive line. PFF is projecting the Bengals line to be league average, which isn't a ringing endorsement, but should be enough for the skill guys to shine.

Sign me up for that right now...

This offense with a healthy Burrow and Mixon is top 10 material blindfolded with an average OLine

[bucksfan2]

I don't really think the local coverage gives you much flavor and insight on translation to the next level. Most fans are biased and anchor on recruiting process hype and TV-coverage and commentary. For the NFL Draft it is all about fit, need, scheme and coaching staff. So the 5th best player on the casual fans eye test at OSU could turn out to be an All-Pro or a flame out depending on NFL scheme, personnel decisions and coaching staff...

Carman as a road grading IOL and flex T + the 4th round trade down for Shelvin/Smith could turn out to be genius (or a major flop). THe Niners took a lower rated, 23.5 year old, 5th yr Senior, pure Guard right after Carman so who knows, maybe the Niners would have taken Carman right there at #47...

For once, I think every OSU draftee was undervalued for some reason this cycle (except Werner and maybe Sermon). Hilliard would have been a nice UDFA for the Bengals to bring in.

I think unbiased local coverage, which there is quite a bit of at the big schools, can give you a lot of insight. For example Shawn Wade, one could say that he sucked last season. One could also say, he was a First Team All American, why did he fall so far. Most clued in OSU fans could tell you that he struggled on the outside but has a tremendous amount of value in the slot or at S. To me it raises some alarm bells when fans of a given team have a somewhat unimpressed opinion of a player. Is it a draft expert's opinion, nope, does it hold some weight with me, sure.

If Carman can start at G and be a flex T and move into a full time T next season (or a year after) it would be a good pick. However, all along we were told how deep the OL talent was in this draft, how Tobin had a lot of guys graded 1st rounders who would be there in the 2nd. Then they trade back and get a guy everyone just kinda goes "huh" I didn't think he would go that high. Maybe the Bengals see something and hit on it. But at this point, Frank Pollack is getting the Don Gullett attention. You throw a project at him and hope he turns him into a good player.

[oregonred]

I think unbiased local coverage, which there is quite a bit of at the big schools, can give you a lot of insight. For example Shawn Wade, one could say that he sucked last season. One could also say, he was a First Team All American, why did he fall so far. Most clued in OSU fans could tell you that he struggled on the outside but has a tremendous amount of value in the slot or at S. To me it raises some alarm bells when fans of a given team have a somewhat unimpressed opinion of a player. Is it a draft expert's opinion, nope, does it hold some weight with me, sure.

If Carman can start at G and be a flex T and move into a full time T next season (or a year after) it would be a good pick. However, all along we were told how deep the OL talent was in this draft, how Tobin had a lot of guys graded 1st rounders who would be there in the 2nd. Then they trade back and get a guy everyone just kinda goes "huh" I didn't think he would go that high. Maybe the Bengals see something and hit on it. But at this point, Frank Pollack is getting the Don Gullett attention. You throw a project at him and hope he turns him into a good player.

That is fair, but with Carman as the #1 National OL prospect I am not sure he disappointed with 5-star OT expectations at Clemson. No redshirt year and a 2-year solid LT starter for Trevor Lawrence. I know Fairfield HS is a big school in the tough GMC, but not known as a D1 football factory so seems even more impressive that he was the consensus #1 HS OL in the 2018 class and started as a true Sophomore for Dabo's offensive machine. I would like to see some tape of the 2019 Playoff game against Chase Young but I saw a little on another board and he looked pretty good.

On the local/savvy message boards, there is so much misinformation, repetitive information and the loudest voices with the most free time tend to dominate the dialogue... This has consistently been one of the best boards ever but many long timers RZ'ers annointed Ben Broussard and Zach Stewart as can't miss prospects and stars so all of us are biased and throwing darts around at the end of the day.

[Todd Gack]

Yep they were 3rd in the league going for it on 4th...but Taylor does have a thing for kicking FG's late in games to avoid a shut out...

Of course they're going to rank high on going for it on 4th down. We were a terrible team. He just seems to have a knack for kicking FG's at the weirdest times. His playcalling, in general, when it counts is sketchy.

[RiverRat13]

I think they saw Carman as the best G prospect left. We assumed they wanted a guy who could play RG in '21 and kick out to tackle in '22. But every other move they made was about 2021. You take Chase because you need an X next year. If they were worried about the long term, then taking Sewell would have been the better solution. Right or wrong, Taylor has to win in '21 and the fan base needs to see improvement.

[Hillsdale87]

Of course they're going to rank high on going for it on 4th down. We were a terrible team. He just seems to have a knack for kicking FG's at the weirdest times. His playcalling, in general, when it counts is sketchy.

I remember him doing that in the Colts game, but I think overall he's very aggressive on 4th down, at least compared to other coaches. The two examples from the Colts game really stand out though


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[membengal]

Not for nothing, and I was assuming you all knew this, but if not, in Bob McGinn's annual set of "insider confidential" pieces on The Athletic (now, used to be for his job w/ a Green Bay paper for a decade plus before) - for the offensive line article - the scouts he surveyed for that piece had Carmen as the second ranked guard behind AVT. So...there is that to chew over. The pick in second round was always likely going to be someone who played T in college who could start in the NFL at G (like Whit did). Carmen was always on that list. It came out that his arms actually were reported wrong in the draft process and are 33 1/4" rather than 32 1/4" - so he can indeed be at G but also might someday still be a candidate to kick to RT. He's athletic, he's young, he protected Trevor Lawrence's blind side for two years allowing just 5 sacks in 950+ passing chances. I mean, I think we all think we know better than the pro scouts but...there are times you kinda have to rely on them to do their jobs. PFF had Carmen at #48 on their big board. We took him at 46. And got two fourth round picks to move back. Fine by me.

[KoryMac5]

Of course they're going to rank high on going for it on 4th down. We were a terrible team. He just seems to have a knack for kicking FG's at the weirdest times. His playcalling, in general, when it counts is sketchy.

Actually if you look at the data more and more teams are going for it on 4th down....good or bad records

[Todd Gack]

Actually if you look at the data more and more teams are going for it on 4th down....good or bad records

Oh, I know.

[bucksfan2]

Not for nothing, and I was assuming you all knew this, but if not, in Bob McGinn's annual set of "insider confidential" pieces on The Athletic (now, used to be for his job w/ a Green Bay paper for a decade plus before) - for the offensive line article - the scouts he surveyed for that piece had Carmen as the second ranked guard behind AVT. So...there is that to chew over. The pick in second round was always likely going to be someone who played T in college who could start in the NFL at G (like Whit did). Carmen was always on that list. It came out that his arms actually were reported wrong in the draft process and are 33 1/4" rather than 32 1/4" - so he can indeed be at G but also might someday still be a candidate to kick to RT. He's athletic, he's young, he protected Trevor Lawrence's blind side for two years allowing just 5 sacks in 950+ passing chances. I mean, I think we all think we know better than the pro scouts but...there are times you kinda have to rely on them to do their jobs. PFF had Carmen at #48 on their big board. We took him at 46. And got two fourth round picks to move back. Fine by me.

I will look for the Bob McGinn's Insider confidential pieces on The Athletic. I have not come across that, but I have heard that Carmen did grade out as a good G in this draft, although he never played it at Clemson.

I have said this before, and will say it again, PFF is fantastic at the NFL game. They have a way of analyzing stats that few other places did. It brought some insight into the game that you either missed or didn't see. However, their college coverage is lacking. The NFL game does not equal the college game in the way they analyze it.

Dane Brugler had him as the 8th guard, 79 overall, a 3rd round grade on him. I believe Kiper said he had him in the 90's, and most of the ESPN Draft crew (mainly Kiper and Riddick) were shocked that he went that high. You can spin it any way you want, the Bengals traded back and then reached for a player who most had a 3rd round grade on. That is why I think this draft was missed opportunity. I was told all along that it was a deep OL draft and they could get good value in the 2nd. Welp, they didn't do that.

[KoryMac5]

I have been watching some snippets of Cam Sample on twitter the Bengals have to be thrilled with that pick...high motor guy reminds me a little of a smaller Geno...

Wondering a bit after the draft what they are going to do at LB...we seem a bit thin...and injuries always occur to high impact players like LB's.

[oregonred]

I have been watching some snippets of Cam Sample on twitter the Bengals have to be thrilled with that pick...high motor guy reminds me a little of a smaller Geno...

Wondering a bit after the draft what they are going to do at LB...we seem a bit thin...and injuries always occur to high impact players like LB's.

Yeah, was surprised they didn't bring in some high caliber UDFA candidates

KJ Wright is still available as a FA but likely wants to go to a contender or restructure and stay in Seattle

[membengal]

Here's the McGinn piece. Like I said, Carmen second ranked guard by the insiders he polled. If you have the Athletic, have at it (this was also the piece that raised some additional concerns over Sewell for me...):

https://theathletic.com/2534325/2021/04/28/ranking-top-offensive-linemen-in-2021-nfl-draft-bob-mcginns-grades-are-in/

[Hillsdale87]

I will look for the Bob McGinn's Insider confidential pieces on The Athletic. I have not come across that, but I have heard that Carmen did grade out as a good G in this draft, although he never played it at Clemson.

I have said this before, and will say it again, PFF is fantastic at the NFL game. They have a way of analyzing stats that few other places did. It brought some insight into the game that you either missed or didn't see. However, their college coverage is lacking. The NFL game does not equal the college game in the way they analyze it.

Dane Brugler had him as the 8th guard, 79 overall, a 3rd round grade on him. I believe Kiper said he had him in the 90's, and most of the ESPN Draft crew (mainly Kiper and Riddick) were shocked that he went that high. You can spin it any way you want, the Bengals traded back and then reached for a player who most had a 3rd round grade on. That is why I think this draft was missed opportunity. I was told all along that it was a deep OL draft and they could get good value in the 2nd. Welp, they didn't do that.

I agree with the sentiment that PFF is probably more valuable in the NFL than college. But I don't think the draft rankings are solely based on grades. It's a mix of grades and tape.

And while Carman may have been graded lower by many analysts, all it takes is one other team to have him ranked highly and the Bengals would have missed out on him. If they truly felt like he was the best G available and that he would not have been available at pick 69, then it was good value. We'll see in a few years if they were right. I wasn't crazy about the pick, but I'm willing to trust Frank Pollack and Willie Anderson for now. The fact that his arm length was misreported also makes the pick more compelling because it gives him a greater opportunity to kick out to Tackle in the future.

[bucksfan2]

Here's the McGinn piece. Like I said, Carmen second ranked guard by the insiders he polled. If you have the Athletic, have at it (this was also the piece that raised some additional concerns over Sewell for me...):

https://theathletic.com/2534325/2021/04/28/ranking-top-offensive-linemen-in-2021-nfl-draft-bob-mcginns-grades-are-in/

I hope this isn't too much from that piece:


2. Jackson Carman, Clemson (6-foot-5, 322, no 40, Round 2 or 3): His draft status is in flux after he underwent back surgery in January. Rated the best prospect in Ohio (he’s from Fairfield) in the 2018 recruiting class.

“I think he’s been reading his press clippings,” said one scout. “He doesn’t work to finish. He’ll work in pass pro a little bit. He does do that pretty well.”

Played as a reserve in 2018 before starting 27 games at left tackle protecting Trevor Lawrence’s back side the past two seasons.

“He’s talented enough (to be drafted high), but I don’t think his play warrants it,” said another scout. “His issue is focus. I can’t see him coming in and starting.”

But this report has me ever more disappointed in the Bengals pick. They could have had both Jenkins and Eichenberg had they stayed put at 38.

I don't know, you can puff it up all you want, I think this is a bad pick.

[oregonred]

“I think he’s been reading his press clippings,” said one scout. “He doesn’t work to finish. He’ll work in pass pro a little bit. He does do that pretty well.”

I am confused since run blocking and holding his ground is his strength...

If you are going to post only two anonymous scouting quotes from a favorable article supporting your view, balance it with one or two from the other viewpoint

[Ohayou]

Eichenberg went #42. Not sure how they could have gotten both him and Jenkins.

[WVRed]

Eichenberg went #42. Not sure how they could have gotten both him and Jenkins.

I think he meant either/or.

[membengal]

I hope this isn't too much from that piece:



But this report has me ever more disappointed in the Bengals pick. They could have had both Jenkins and Eichenberg had they stayed put at 38.

I don't know, you can puff it up all you want, I think this is a bad pick.

Come on now. For anyone unfamiliar with McGinn's pieces, he makes sure to include negative with positive. What matters there is the ranking - 2nd best guard per those polled. Behind only AVT.

But since we are playing the negative comment game, here we go from that piece re: Sewell (so I guess it's good we passed on Sewell?):


Said a third scout: “A bit overrated. He is a naturally thick, big-framed tackle. His workout was actually better than he played. I didn’t think he was super explosive. He covered people up with his size, and he would gouge somebody just because he was bigger than them. And name one pass rusher he actually played against in the Pac-12 who’s on a draft board?”

Arm length (33¼ inches) is short for a prospect of his stature. His hands are a large 10⅜ inches. Managed 30 reps on the bench press, but his vertical jump was a modest 28 inches.

“Every time I circle back and watch him, I just don’t see it,” a fourth scout said. “He’s not that gifted with his feet. He doesn’t really play that physical or strong. He can get in the way, but he’s not a really good finisher, and his balance isn’t that great. His technique is off. There’s a lot of work that needs to be done.”


Some personnel individuals are skeptical. Even if the pandemic-related limitations weren’t handcuffing teams as they gather information on prospects, a fair number of scouts still would have seen this as a thin draft. Tackle is one of the deepest positions, but is Sewell atop most tackle boards mostly by default?

“I believe there will be a lot of disappointment (at tackle),” an experienced NFL decision-maker said. “I don’t buy that he’s a great one. Your options aren’t great this year. The upside with him is better than the upside with the rest. There is a floor with him that’s concerning.”

And then he was the OT1 in those rankings. So, yeah, the ranking matters. Carmen at 48 plus two fourth round picks (that turned into Shelvin and Smith) is a better draft gamble than staying put and taking Jenkins or Eichenberg or Little. You want bodies in the draft - as many as you can get - to find the ones that pan out (it's how the Ravens and Pats do it). You liked Radunz or Cosmi more than Carmen? Fine, but, in the end, Pollack's analysis probably matters there.

[oregonred]

Carmen at 48 plus two fourth round picks (that turned into Shelvin and Smith) is a better draft gamble than staying put and taking Jenkins or Eichenberg or Little. You want bodies in the draft - as many as you can get - to find the ones that pan out (it's how the Ravens and Pats do it). You liked Radunz or Cosmi more than Carmen? Fine, but, in the end, Pollack's analysis probably matters there.

This can't be emphasized enough. The Bengals, more than most teams, needed bodies. They ended up with 3 OL and 4 DL, a sleeper RB in the 6th, hopefully a kicker for the next decade and the clear WR1. THe Bengals also followed the value in the draft with OL in mid-2nd, loading up on DL and OL in rounds 2-4.

The Patriots trade netted the equivalent of a mid 3rd-round pick. Much better than the one the Falcons made 10 minutes before from #35 to #40. The trade was exactly the right approach and what many constantly advocate pre-draft - bengals moving down when advantageous.

So the analysis is Carman/Shelvin/Smith when comparing to either Jenkins or Eichenburg (23.5yrs, 5th yr. senior). We can argue on the targets but the trade down to net two additional 4ths was on target.

[bucksfan2]

This can't be emphasized enough. The Bengals, more than most teams, needed bodies. They ended up with 3 OL and 4 DL, a sleeper RB in the 6th, hopefully a kicker for the next decade and the clear WR1. THe Bengals also followed the value in the draft with OL in mid-2nd, loading up on DL and OL in rounds 2-4.

The Patriots trade netted the equivalent of a mid 3rd-round pick. Much better than the one the Falcons made 10 minutes before from #35 to #40. The trade was exactly the right approach and what many constantly advocate pre-draft - bengals moving down when advantageous.

So the analysis is Carman/Shelvin/Smith when comparing to either Jenkins or Eichenburg (23.5yrs, 5th yr. senior). We can argue on the targets but the trade down to net two additional 4ths was on target.

This draft for me hinges on Carman. If he is a starter at G then the decision is ok. If he is able to swing to T then its even better and probably the right move. If he fails, it is another of the poor draft decisions that have doomed the franchise for a while now. And to be honest, I don't give the Bengals the benefit of the doubt. If Pollack like Carman and was the main reason they drafted him, that is fine, but he better produce.

[membengal]

In the HTPG that just posted, Dehner interviews Bengals director of college scouting Mike Potts. If you don't want to listen to the whole thing - if you go to about the 27 minute mark they discuss Carmen. Off the top of my head, some highlights (but you should listen to it):

----They absolutely drafted him w/ G and also T eventually in mind;

----His size and athleticism and toughness stood out for what they want to be on line and in this division

----Called the back procedure minor and ALSO said it stood out that he played the last five games with the issue to help his teammates rather than call it off and get the procedure right away - showed a dedication and love of the game that jumped out at then

---said even with playing with the back issue his tape was still very impressive on all levels

----confirmed he was on their radar early - as early as back in their discussions of the position back in January

There was more, but that's the quick highlights. Like I said, whole pod is, as usual, worth listening to, but if you want to jump that part, it is around 27 minute mark...

[GAC]

When your young rookie QB, your future, is still recovering from a very serious injury (ACL, MCL), and due to the "struggles", haphazard play, of a bad offensive line ... and everyone is screaming to fix the offensive line! ... IMO, the Bengals took a risky path. Sewell would have been my priority. But most of the time, offensive players take precedent over defense in that First Round. What I don't understand is why they traded down in the 2nd Round, where there were some top second-round tackles available, to nab a LT (Carman)? They took an OT in the 4th (Smith), and a Center in the 6th (Hill). Is the assumption that Carmen will somehow find his own with the move? Risky, with your young QB coming back from injury, IMO.

IMO, the Bengals had a pretty solid receiving corp last year. Yeah, it gets even better with the addition of Chase. But if your offensive line struggles in their protection of your QB - and you already have numerous young players there who are in development - then that's not a good sign IMO. And you also need a good offensive line for the run game too.

[Todd Gack]

In the HTPG that just posted, Dehner interviews Bengals director of college scouting Mike Potts. If you don't want to listen to the whole thing - if you go to about the 27 minute mark they discuss Carmen. Off the top of my head, some highlights (but you should listen to it):

----They absolutely drafted him w/ G and also T eventually in mind;

----His size and athleticism and toughness stood out for what they want to be on line and in this division

----Called the back procedure minor and ALSO said it stood out that he played the last five games with the issue to help his teammates rather than call it off and get the procedure right away - showed a dedication and love of the game that jumped out at then

---said even with playing with the back issue his tape was still very impressive on all levels

----confirmed he was on their radar early - as early as back in their discussions of the position back in January

There was more, but that's the quick highlights. Like I said, whole pod is, as usual, worth listening to, but if you want to jump that part, it is around 27 minute mark...

At the end of the day, he was the 10th OL taken and given our track record at scouting these guys, I'm not exactly thrilled about it. I don't really care who says what because most of these draft guys really don't know much better than us at how these guys will develop. With that said, I don't mind the plan to wait until the 2nd round to draft an OL but like GAC said, it's a very risky path and we're playing with fire. I would've went with much safer picks but whatever. Let's roll with it.

[Bourgeois Zee]

This draft for me hinges on Carman. If he is a starter at G then the decision is ok. If he is able to swing to T then its even better and probably the right move. If he fails, it is another of the poor draft decisions that have doomed the franchise for a while now. And to be honest, I don't give the Bengals the benefit of the doubt. If Pollack like Carman and was the main reason they drafted him, that is fine, but he better produce.

I don't think it hinges on Carman. If any of the draftees turn out to be long-term starters, it'll be a solid draft. (This assumes Chase is the real deal at receiver and the kicker pans out.) If two of them are long-time starters, it'll be a great draft. Heck, if all of them prove to be depth guys and the line improves just because of that you can argue the draft was effective.

[UKFlounder]

This tesm has 6 wins in two seasons xnd had picks near the top of each draft round - 2 starters (not counting kickers) should be the minimum to make this an adequate draft, and three or more to make it any more than that. For this organization, in its current condition, I think that’s fair.

Last year they got Burrow and Higgins, with Wilson a maybe, then some role players. Now, they need Chase to star and Carman and at least one more guy to be average or better starters soon for this draft to do more than continue the same. With Reif only on a 1-year contract, they may need to look at O-Line again next year, so Carman really needs to succeed, either at guard or tackle, for this draft to have a positive long-term effect.



I don't think it hinges on Carman. If any of the draftees turn out to be long-term starters, it'll be a solid draft. (This assumes Chase is the real deal at receiver and the kicker pans out.) If two of them are long-time starters, it'll be a great draft. Heck, if all of them prove to be depth guys and the line improves just because of that you can argue the draft was effective.

[bucksfan2]

I don't think it hinges on Carman. If any of the draftees turn out to be long-term starters, it'll be a solid draft. (This assumes Chase is the real deal at receiver and the kicker pans out.) If two of them are long-time starters, it'll be a great draft. Heck, if all of them prove to be depth guys and the line improves just because of that you can argue the draft was effective.

I find this to be a cop out. The Bengals need starters on the OLine, IMO it was their most pressing need (see Burrow, Joe's knee), and a position that all along we were told was the deepest draft in a long time. They had the chance to draft the consensus #1 tackle on the board, but chose a WR saying there was greater value to be had in the 2nd and 3rd rounds. The Bengals passed up on higher rated offensive lineman, drafting a guy who was generally rated as a 3rd round pick. They HAVE to be right with Carman, I don't see any way around that. Chase can be great (I think he will) but if they continue to fail at addressing their OLine, then this team will fall short of any expectations. I for one am not giving this organization any benefit of the doubt, and reading that Mike Brown zeroed in on Carman from the beginning makes me even more worried that it was a poor pick and the Bengals are spinning it.

[WVRed]

So looking way early at next year:

Zach Harrison or Evan Neal?

[RiverRat13]

So looking way early at next year:

Zach Harrison or Evan Neal?

If the Bengals are in position to take Neal then Taylor would have been fired. So hopefully Harrison, because unless he takes a giant leap forward next year, he's a back-half of the 1st round kind of guy you take based on potential.

[WVRed]

If the Bengals are in position to take Neal then Taylor would have been fired. So hopefully Harrison, because unless he takes a giant leap forward next year, he's a back-half of the 1st round kind of guy you take based on potential.

I’ve seen Harrison mocked in the top 5.

[Ohayou]

So looking way early at next year:

Zach Harrison or Evan Neal?

https://sportshub.cbsistatic.com/i/r/2019/07/22/09926cb0-256a-458b-bbea-ba3d735b51c6/thumbnail/1200x675/d4774a45fd07417cccf5475ac830c75d/daniel-faalele-getty.jpg

[bucksfan2]

If the Bengals are in position to take Neal then Taylor would have been fired. So hopefully Harrison, because unless he takes a giant leap forward next year, he's a back-half of the 1st round kind of guy you take based on potential.

True, but then again its the Bengals!

I do think they will be looking again at OL. Reiff is a stopgap, maybe he plays another season here, but I have a feeling he is a one year and done guy.

[oregonred]

The deal was a little complicated with salary cap/bonus structure, but it seems like the Bengals may be in control of the 2nd year or an extension assuming Reiff pans out

Williams - Spain - Hopkins - Carman - Reiff; looks to be the (assuming all healthy and no additional FA or veteran cuts picked up) starting day OL

[Boss-Hog]

The deal was a little complicated with salary cap/bonus structure, but it seems like the Bengals may be in control of the 2nd year or an extension assuming Reiff pans out

Williams - Spain - Hopkins - Carman - Reiff; looks to be the (assuming all healthy and no additional FA or veteran cuts picked up) starting day OLUnless you know something I don't, I'm pretty sure the second year is a void year that only exists to lower the 2021 cap hit. I don't believe they actually have the ability to retain him in 2022 within the current contract.

[Kingspoint]

This Draft hinges on their Offensive Line Coach and Defensive Line Coach, but more importantly their Offensive Line Coach.

[GAC]

https://sportshub.cbsistatic.com/i/r/2019/07/22/09926cb0-256a-458b-bbea-ba3d735b51c6/thumbnail/1200x675/d4774a45fd07417cccf5475ac830c75d/daniel-faalele-getty.jpg

Would that qualify as two picks? Daniel Faalele, taken in the 1st and second round (lol)

[KoryMac5]

Nice article by Ben Baby

https://www.espn.com/blog/cincinnati-bengals/post/_/id/33126/protect-joe-burrow-and-unlock-his-potential-bengals-jamarr-chase-might-do-both

[membengal]

Tyler Dragon
@TheTylerDragon
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#Bengals offseason workout schedule:

- Rookie Minicamp: May 14

- OTAs: May 25-27, June 1-3, June 7-10

- Mandatory Minicamp: June 15-17

[adkindo]

I did not know you guys signed Pooka Williams. Do you think he has a chance to make the roster as a RB, or will you guys use him mostly as a return guy? He is very light, but I wanted the Bucs to grab him as a returner. The guy can fly in the open field.


https://youtu.be/ojz4fIA_Ucg?t=15

[UKFlounder]

They also drafted Chris Evans RB, and I’ve seen praise for his potential, so these 2 might fight for 1 spot.

Brandon Wilson is a good kick returner, do I don’t know if Williams can win that spot.

They really like Perine as the 2nd RB, so this could be a close battle to see if they keep one of them over Trayvon Williams. I don’t see how they keep Evans and P. Williams



I did not know you guys signed Pooka Williams. Do you think he has a chance to make the roster as a RB, or will you guys use him mostly as a return guy? He is very light, but I wanted the Bucs to grab him as a returner. The guy can fly in the open field.


https://youtu.be/ojz4fIA_Ucg?t=15

[RiverRat13]

Williams may have a better shot at sticking on the roster as the backup slot receiver.

[Kingspoint]

Boyd gets to move back to the Slot, eliminating a need for a pass-catching TE, as Boyd should see, if they understand how valuable he is at his best position as a WR, 145 targets just from the Slot. Corners couldn't stop him. Linebackers certainly can't. They need to go 3-Wide 80% of the time. That pulls both Safeties out of the box as on must be deep for Higgins and Chase, while the other needs to be covering Boyd. It's likely they'll try to mix a LB on Boyd, but hopefully Burrow and Boyd spot that mistake and take advantage of that with the right read (and on the same page). That could be something in underneath, out underneath or 15 yards over the top depending on where the Safety tries to disguis his read and which LB they try to use against Boyd and where he's lined up. Boyd should lead the team in receptions with 90+, but not yards. That should be Higgins or Chase. All three should tally over 1000, with Mixon generating 500-550. We'll have a TE catch some passes, but hopefully he's spending most of his time blocking for Mixon first, and playing decoy to pull a secondary Defender away from Chase or Higgins. 400 yards sounds about right with 35 catches for our #1 TE.

Mixon should rush for 1350 yards for a total of 1850 to 1900 Total Yards. Burrow will pass for 4400 yards and 35 TD's.

[membengal]

They already do go three wides more than 80% of the time. Boyd doesn’t need to go back to the slot, he never left. After all these months you’ve articulated why I was pushing for chase from the jump. They had a gaping hole at WR with Green ineffective and then moving on.

[KoryMac5]

They already do go three wides more than 80% of the time. Boyd doesn’t need to go back to the slot, he never left. After all these months you’ve articulated why I was pushing for chase from the jump. They had a gaping hole at WR with Green ineffective and then moving on.

Agreed Boyd took 433 snaps out of the slot last season 4th most in the NFL...Higgins, Chase, Boyd is a nice set of triplets reminds me of Jones, Green and Sanu but more dangerous.

[WrongVerb]

Agreed Boyd took 433 snaps out of the slot last season 4th most in the NFL...Higgins, Chase, Boyd is a nice set of triplets reminds me of Jones, Green and Sanu but more dangerous.

And they won't have Andy "the next time I lead a reciever will be the first time" Dalton throwing to them either.

[Kingspoint]

They already do go three wides more than 80% of the time. Boyd doesn’t need to go back to the slot, he never left. After all these months you’ve articulated why I was pushing for chase from the jump. They had a gaping hole at WR with Green ineffective and then moving on.You pay many fold times over more attention to the Bengals than I do, but my memory recalls Tee coming off the bench to begin the year, especially because there was no training camp. If they ran 3-Wide's to begin the year, it was with Boyd outside and Receivers other than Higgins on the field. It seems that he began seeing plays the 2nd game, a few more the 3rd, a few more the 4th and that he didn't get regular snaps until the 5th game. It was one of the bad things about Burrow's injury. He worked very little with Higgins on live plays. They were successful on the few they did, but I recall very few 3-wides the first four games. Higgins also replaced Green when Green missed time keeping Boyd outside. They used 11 personnel or 12 personnel about 50% of the time from what I recall, if for the only reason that they needed a TE to block.

[Kingspoint]

Agreed Boyd took 433 snaps out of the slot last season 4th most in the NFL...Higgins, Chase, Boyd is a nice set of triplets reminds me of Jones, Green and Sanu but more dangerous.

So Boyd took about 300 snaps from out wide then.

- - - Updated - - -

And I'm pretty certain that our TE's played at least 400 snaps.

[Kingspoint]

Taylor ran 11-Personnel 77% of the time his first year here in 2019, most in the league, according to the Enquirer. Boyd played 100% of his snaps out wide that year. Green was hurt most of the year.

https://www.cincinnati.com/story/sports/nfl/bengals/2020/09/10/what-expect-bengals-offense-and-defense/5764431002/

And, I counted playmakers wrong forgetting that 11-personnel includes 3 WR's and a TE with 1 RB making 5 of them. We didn't even have a Fullback on the team the last two years, did we?

Of course, it was a disaster in 2019 as the entire roster on Offense other than Boyd that was healthy enough to play was crappy.

[RiverRat13]

https://twitter.com/Wrightreportt/status/1392251639965310976?s=19

[WVRed]

Bengals to open Week 1 at home against the Vikings.

[membengal]

Rest of AFC North is on the road week 1 (Browns at Chiefs, Steelers at Bills, Ravens at Raiders - on Monday night).

So, week 1 is a must win.

Just kidding.

Maybe not entirely kidding.

[RiverRat13]

Bengals to open Week 1 at home against the Vikings.

Kind of funny after Justin Jefferson's comments.

Probably an ideal opener. It's winnable and the Vikings don't have much of a pass rush. Should allow Joe to get his feet wet.

[membengal]

Rumor is that game 4 of the season is at home on thursday night against Jax.

[membengal]

Jets schedule leaked in full - Bengals at Jets on October 31.

[membengal]

Supposedly week 18 at cleveland.

[Kingspoint]

Great first game for Pollack to get his first tape on his new line. Zimmer will offer a lot of learning opportunities. Zimmer also doesn't teach his players to be dirty like the Saints, Steelers and Ravens, so Burrow shouldn't get any cheap shots.

Everything I gleen is that pundits see the Bengals as a 5-6 win team (for many good reasons). They themselves obviously have the playoffs as a goal. The most realistic goal should be to just try to improve from week to week and to keep Joe Burrow healthy. Under that scenario the Vikings at home are a perfect matchup. Besides, season ticket holders will love seeing Zimmer on the sidelines.

[Kingspoint]

Supposedly week 18 at cleveland.

Where is Week 19?

[membengal]

Where is Week 19?

Bengals have bye then wait to see who they play in divisional round...

[WVRed]

Really thought they’d have a prime time game other than the obligatory Thursday night game.

[RiverRat13]

I see 7-10. Just enough improvement to justify a Taylor extension.

[membengal]

Breer MAQB:

One thing teams do get in rookie minicamp, and especially this year with no combine, or private workouts and visits, is perspective on the size of their class. And I can say in a year when the Bengals felt like they needed it, the coaches in Cincinnati really liked the way a crew of three offensive line and four defensive line rookies looked on the hoof out there. Second-round pick Jackson Carman moved around well and made a good first impression, but the raw length of defensive end Joseph Ossai and overall size of defensive tackle Tyler Shelvin really stood out.

[WrongVerb]

I think Ossai is going to end up being a steal. Saw a lot of mocks had him in the late 1st round or early 2nd.

[KoryMac5]

I think Ossai is going to end up being a steal. Saw a lot of mocks had him in the late 1st round or early 2nd.

So fast in his pursuit of the QB that last play against OSU is unbelievable...

Shelvin looks to be a smaller Geno too

Trent Taylor as punt returner seems like a nice early season find...

[bucksfan2]

Breer MAQB:

One thing teams do get in rookie minicamp, and especially this year with no combine, or private workouts and visits, is perspective on the size of their class. And I can say in a year when the Bengals felt like they needed it, the coaches in Cincinnati really liked the way a crew of three offensive line and four defensive line rookies looked on the hoof out there. Second-round pick Jackson Carman moved around well and made a good first impression, but the raw length of defensive end Joseph Ossai and overall size of defensive tackle Tyler Shelvin really stood out.

Most minicamp stuff is pretty blah to me.

Its a hopeful sign that Ossai is impressive. Same think with Carman who will be the lightning rod for this draft.

[Sea Ray]

So fast in his pursuit of the QB that last play against OSU is unbelievable...

Shelvin looks to be a smaller Geno too

Trent Taylor as punt returner seems like a nice early season find...

Shelvin is every bit of 350 lbs. How do you figure he's a smaller version of Geno Atkins?

[Hillsdale87]

Shelvin is every bit of 350 lbs. How do you figure he's a smaller version of Geno Atkins?

Yeah, Shelvin is more DJ Reader than Geno. He can be valuable, but he's unlikely to rack up sacks


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[Tony Cloninger]

Breer MAQB:

One thing teams do get in rookie minicamp, and especially this year with no combine, or private workouts and visits, is perspective on the size of their class. And I can say in a year when the Bengals felt like they needed it, the coaches in Cincinnati really liked the way a crew of three offensive line and four defensive line rookies looked on the hoof out there. Second-round pick Jackson Carman moved around well and made a good first impression, but the raw length of defensive end Joseph Ossai and overall size of defensive tackle Tyler Shelvin really stood out.


How does this help the players not practicing and working on things on the field?

I’m not a fan of expanding the games at all also. Wish they would go to full 60 man rosters with everyone active so a TE does not end up playing T or a CB plays WR. You want safety but more games with the same amount of players active while continuing with the Thursday night BS games. No logic.

[texasdave]

350? Sounds as if Shelvin has truly been on the Atkins Diet. Geno Atkins.

[RiverRat13]

Looking good for Joe to be ready Week 1 - https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/31466861/cincinnati-bengals-joe-burrow-track-week-1-dr-neal-elattrache-says

[membengal]

That is as good as it gets. Just phenomenal news.


"We are very happy with his recovery to say the least," ElAttrache said. "Notwithstanding the nature of his injury and extent of his reconstruction, his knee is performing perfectly.

"We just had him tested out here with a high-tech video and biomechanical evaluation and he was ahead of where we anticipated and well into the return to performance phase of his recovery. With him already performing this way, it's 'all systems go' for the start of the season."