2021 NFL Draft Thread

[WVRed]

Two bits of news:

1. Aaron Rodgers wants out of Green Bay. Will be curious if this impacts the draft if the Pack decides to cash in.

2. Saints looking to move into the top 10 and not for a QB.

[Dom Heffner]

I just dont want to mess up the Bengals here- the good news is most of the teams ahead of us wont want to give up the pick-

The Niners worry me as they would take Rodgers. Then the Packers can mess it up for us drafting at that spot.

[WVRed]

I just dont want to mess up the Bengals here- the good news is most of the teams ahead of us wont want to give up the pick-

The Niners worry me as they would take Rodgers. Then the Packers can mess it up for us drafting at that spot.

The Niners would have nothing to give up since they sold out to move up to 3. Denver and Vegas can give up future picks, the Niners next first round pick belongs to the Dolphins.

[kaldaniels]

Sea Ray is in that packed crowd of people, right?

[WVRed]

Aaron Rodgers to Denver is picking up steam.

[kaldaniels]

Aaron Rodgers to Denver is picking up steam.

Something is gonna happen soon you have to figure...

[Reds Freak]

I'm already a little annoyed by the production of this. I actually think the middle rounds are more enjoyable to watch.

[Playadlc]

Lawrence passed over the dog to get hugs from everyone else.

Bust.

[klw]

Jags took Lawrence! Who saw that coming? That shakes things up!

[kaldaniels]

I'm already a little annoyed by the production of this. I actually think the middle rounds are more enjoyable to watch.

I’m giving ABC a try just for a change - Herbstreit and the Gameday crew.

[Ohayou]

Mark Schlereth tweeting Rodgers to Denver?

https://twitter.com/markschlereth/status/1387919177478905859

[RedTeamGo!]

Zach Wilson looks like a child

[WVRed]

Trey Lance over Mac Jones.

Dominoes starting to fall.

[kaldaniels]

49ers go with Lance.

We all knew they’d go QB, but I can’t get over the mistake many made in believing Jimmy G was the second coming.

[podgejeff_]

What if ATL takes another QB?

Do the Bengals get their choice of whatever they want here?

[RedTeamGo!]

Legit can’t believe the 9ers felt they needed to trade all those picks to get Trey Lance. Wild.

[RedsManRick]

I would LOVE, LOVE to get Kyle Pitts. Hopefully ATL goes QB.

[podgejeff_]

I know we need Sewell.

But I really want Chase or Pitts.

[Playadlc]

I would LOVE, LOVE to get Kyle Pitts. Hopefully ATL goes QB.

It’s either Chase or Sewell at this point.

[podgejeff_]

Legit can’t believe the 9ers felt they needed to trade all those picks to get Trey Lance. Wild.

A bit of a headscratcher to me.

[adkindo]

Pitts will be the best player in this draft.

[WVRed]

Pitts to Atl.

Time to put the Chase/Sewell debate to rest.

[RedsManRick]

It’s either Chase or Sewell at this point.

Oh I know... likely Chase it seems. And there goes Pitts to ATL.

On a side note, it's basically impossible to find intelligent NFL draft coverage. It's either ESPN style shouting heads, fan streams, or stock bros.

[Betterread]

Congratulations Trey Lance. Matched with Kyle Shanahan. I think he will sit for a while and Garoppolo will start at the beginning of the season.
He is an awesome kid. And he has very high expectations on him.

[podgejeff_]

Chase/Higgins/Boyd is a very very mean receiver core.

[Playadlc]

I’m hoping Sewell, but Chase seems pretty close to a lock.

[Dom Heffner]

Sea Ray is in that packed crowd of people, right?

45 degrees from the stage. 3 o clock.

[WVRed]

Wouldn’t be the draft without ESPN cutting to commercial before the Bengals pick.

And the pick is in.

[Dom Heffner]

Trey Lance=what an awful pick.

Gotta sit for a year. At 3, that's dumb.

[WrongVerb]

I'm already a little annoyed by the production of this. I actually think the middle rounds are more enjoyable to watch.

Same here. This is ridiculous.

[podgejeff_]

Trey Lance=what an awful pick.

Gotta sit for a year. At 3, that's dumb.

Lol they TRADED for him.

[WVRed]

Trey Lance=what an awful pick.

Gotta sit for a year. At 3, that's dumb.

Jimmy G will get hurt and Lance will be rushed in.

[WrongVerb]

Trey Lance=what an awful pick.

Gotta sit for a year. At 3, that's dumb.

I know it's not the trend now, but I'm a fan of sitting a QB all or most of his first year. Worked for Carson Palmer.

[kaldaniels]

I’m just an idiot who thinks Lawrence/Fields should have gone 1-2.

Can’t help but feel like GMs overthink these things.

[WVRed]

Chase it is.

[Bob Sheed]

Chase it is...

[paintmered]

It's Chase.

[podgejeff_]

Burrow to Chase is a proven combination.

[Wonderful Monds]

Stupid.

[RedTeamGo!]

Trey Lance=what an awful pick.

Gotta sit for a year. At 3, that's dumb.

Schefter just said the 49ers didn't tell any coaches or scouts the pick, they found out Lance same time that we did. Wtf!

That’s literally the plot of the movie Draft Day starring Kevin Costner.

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Burrow to Chase is a proven combination.

In college

[kaldaniels]

Browns fan here - best of luck with Burrow and Chase. Hope it’s a great rivalry.

I’d never say that to Steelers/Ravens fans.

[Reds Fanatic]

Love the Chase pick.

[Dom Heffner]

Bengals Jim on the TV.

That guy is great.

[podgejeff_]

It's a deep OL class, we can find an OL later.

[Dom Heffner]

I know it's not the trend now, but I'm a fan of sitting a QB all or most of his first year. Worked for Carson Palmer.

That's a lot of money to just sit there.

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It's a deep OL class, we can find an OL later.

Absolutely.

[RedTeamGo!]

These hats are terrible

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Browns fan here - best of luck with Burrow and Chase. Hope it’s a great rivalry.

I’d never say that to Steelers/Ravens fans.

Same here. I’m hoping that LB from Notre Dame drops to the browns. Think they will end up picking Newsome from NW, though. Thoughts?

[KoryMac5]

Chase is an awesome pick kid is electric...get the tackle at 38...

[paintmered]

Any chance the Bengals will trade up from 38 to go OL?

[Wonderful Monds]

I’ve heard this is one of the weakest draft classes ever, doesn’t instill me with confidence of finding anyone useful on the OL later.

[WVRed]

Waddle to Miami

[KoryMac5]

Miami’s line is worse than the Bengals

[Betterread]

It’s chase at #5 for the Bengals. If he continues to work hard and stay healthy, you have a great talent. I bet Burrow lobbied hard for him.

[RedTeamGo!]

Do not take this as a slight, Bengals fans. I think Chase is legit. With that said, in 5 years I think we look back and Waddle is the best WR from this class.

[Dom Heffner]

I’ve heard this is one of the weakest draft classes ever, doesn’t instill me with confidence of finding anyone useful on the OL later.

not OL. pretty deep. starters available where we pick.

[kaldaniels]

These hats are terrible

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Same here. I’m hoping that LB from Notre Dame drops to the browns. Think they will end up picking Newsome from NW, though. Thoughts?

I can’t say I’ve been too well-versed in who the Browns may pick. Definitely see the most smoke around Newsome though. It’s nice to pick late in the first and let the draft come to you.

(Trading-up talk seems to have escalated the past few days though)

[KoryMac5]

I’ve heard this is one of the weakest draft classes ever, doesn’t instill me with confidence of finding anyone useful on the OL later.

The draft is strong in regards to OL and secondary players...Bengals better go OL at 38

[Betterread]

I am surprised at Waddle over Smith. Smith is a far better route runner. I prefer receivers that get consistent separation through good routes. So Smith falls in the Lions lap, wait no. Big sigh of relief.

[KoryMac5]

Do not take this as a slight, Bengals fans. I think Chase is legit. With that said, in 5 years I think we look back and Waddle is the best WR from this class.

Depends on who stays healthy....Waddle is a bit smaller in stature.

[podgejeff_]

Leatherwood makes sense in 2?

Or do we need somebody who is specifically a G/C?

[kaldaniels]

I am surprised at Waddle over Smith. Smith is a far better route runner. I prefer receivers that get consistent separation through good routes.

I think Smith gets broken in the NFL.

[RedTeamGo!]

Brilliant pick by the Lions.

[Reds Freak]

Dang, I would have loved to see Sewell in stripes. I'm excited about the Chase pick, but the Sewell kid seems nasty.

[podgejeff_]

I think Smith gets broken in the NFL.

That's the good thing with Chase.

I don't know if you could construct a stronger looking WR.

[kaldaniels]

Brilliant pick by the Lions.

Great pick.

But damn they are stuck with Goff. I don’t see it happening for them.

[RedTeamGo!]

Lions didn’t overthink it. When the best LT in years falls to you at 7 you say “thank you” and take him.

[RedTeamGo!]

That's the good thing with Chase.

I don't know if you could construct a stronger looking WR.

https://www.nydailynews.com/resizer/vvcFKNpBXF84zHgeotNDEfj7c94=/1200x869/top/arc-anglerfish-arc2-prod-tronc.s3.amazonaws.com/public/TRB5XRHJBYAPGPEYIJXD2KJ5FA.jpg

[WrongVerb]

I'm a fan of the pick.

[podgejeff_]

https://www.nydailynews.com/resizer/vvcFKNpBXF84zHgeotNDEfj7c94=/1200x869/top/arc-anglerfish-arc2-prod-tronc.s3.amazonaws.com/public/TRB5XRHJBYAPGPEYIJXD2KJ5FA.jpg

I stand corrected lol.

Still. Chase runs a 4.38 40.

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Lol Carolina.

[WrongVerb]

So who trades up/back for Fields?

[RedTeamGo!]

I like the Panthers from when I lived in Charlotte for years. They really needed a corner, but man, take Slater there.

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So who trades up/back for Fields?

I think Broncos take him

[kaldaniels]

So no Aaron Rodgers trade tonight?

[Ohayou]

Sounds like Surtain to Denver.

Looking at Fields' tape alone, he should be gone by now. NFL must know something we don't lol.

[podgejeff_]

Denver fans seemed unenthused, but Surtain is a good pick.

[ScotlandRed]

Lol both corners going right in front of Dallas. The might go with Slater now.

[WrongVerb]

I think Broncos take him

So who trades up/back for Fields?

[Ohayou]

Fields to Philly?!

DeVonta Smith?

[Revering4Blue]

I like the Panthers from when I lived in Charlotte for years. They really needed a corner, but man, take Slater there.

Spot -on!

FWIW, the Panthers are my NFC team, as I've followed them from their inception. I was living in the Triangle at the time. I like the Darnold trade, though.

Isn't Tom Servo also a Panthers fan?

[podgejeff_]

Eagles traded the Cowboys for their pick.

I bet they take Parsons.

[kaldaniels]

So who trades up/back for Fields?

Do the Falcons have the ammo to do so?

[Dom Heffner]

Eagles gonna take Devonta here

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Spot -on!

FWIW, the Panthers are my NFC team, as I've followed them from their inception. I was living in the Triangle at the time. I like the Darnold trade, though.

Isn't Tom Servo also a Panthers fan?

My 12 year old is ragging on the Panthers right now. Just a head scratcher.

[podgejeff_]

Eagles gonna take Devonta here

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My 12 year old is ragging on the Panthers right now. Just a head scratcher.

Smith makes sense.

[WrongVerb]

Slater?

[Betterread]

Trey Lance ends up with Shanahan, who build QBs, and Lawrence ends up with urban Meyer who couldn’t build them in college.
Lance is with a better team, with better coaching.

[kaldaniels]

Fields to NE?

[Revering4Blue]

Slater?

He may fall to the Chargers. That would be an absolute steal.

[RedTeamGo!]

Da Bears traded up to 11

[Revering4Blue]

Fields to NE?

Looks like Fields to Chicago, as they've just traded up with the Giants.

[podgejeff_]

Browns need what, defensive line? Linebacker?

Barmore? Parsons?

[Ohayou]

Slam dunk trade if they pick Fields here.

[RedTeamGo!]

Browns need what, defensive line? Linebacker?

Barmore? Parsons?

CB

[Playadlc]

Slater still available.

Make a move.

[kaldaniels]

Fields to the NFC North.

Playing in Chicago/GB in Dec/Jan is different than Columbus in November.

Not my ideal landing spot but I wish him the best.

[RiverRat13]

Have to think Chargers go Slater.

[podgejeff_]

Have to think Chargers go Slater.

Yep.

God this is so slow.

[Ohayou]

Mac Jones to Pats.

[SteelSD]

So, pick 14. I was surprised. Not that the Jets traded up, but that they remembered that they already picked a QB, so they didn't use the pick on Mac Jones.

[kaldaniels]

So, pick 14. I was surprised. Not that the Jets traded up, but that they remembered that they already picked a QB, so they didn't use the pick on Mac Jones.

As funny as that seems, I’ve always wondered if a team that had a chance to pick 2 high-tier QB prospects should do so, in a moneyball sort of way.

Hitting on a good QB could be worth hundreds of millions of dollars. If 1a isn’t cutting it, give 1b a shot in a year.

[WrongVerb]

He may fall to the Chargers. That would be an absolute steal.

Huge steal there for sure.

[WrongVerb]

If Darrisaw continues to slip, might be worth the Bengals moving up to get him in the first.

[RiverRat13]

I'd guess Giants go OL here.

[kaldaniels]

Keeping reaching for those offensive players, teams.

Let the defense fall to Cleveland.

[RiverRat13]

LOL. Goodell showed the Giants fan on stage the pick and the fan just slumped back in his chair.

[Reds Freak]

There seems to be a ton of interesting OL prospects that will be available to Bengals in the next three rounds. Gotta believe two of those picks will be linemen.

[Kingspoint]

Legit can’t believe the 9ers felt they needed to trade all those picks to get Trey Lance. Wild.

When they made the trade it wasn't for certain that Watson's legal problems made him untradeable. It also placed them in a better position to trade for #2. It bought time and better options. The options just didn't appear, so they had to settle for Lance.

[Kingspoint]

The Niners would have nothing to give up since they sold out to move up to 3. Denver and Vegas can give up future picks, the Niners next first round pick belongs to the Dolphins.

No. They traded a different 1st Round pick to the Dolphins than their own. They still have their 1st Round pick every year from now.

[SteelSD]

Najee Harris. That's the least surprising pick of the 1st round.

[kaldaniels]

I’ll take JOK for Cleveland.

[Tony Cloninger]

OL in 2. 3rd. 4th. That’s what I’m hoping. You can draft a K if you want after that.

[Kingspoint]

So no Aaron Rodgers trade tonight?

Consistent with the Packers' Management.

[Kingspoint]

Spot -on!

FWIW, the Panthers are my NFC team, as I've followed them from their inception. I was living in the Triangle at the time. I like the Darnold trade, though.

Isn't Tom Servo also a Panthers fan?

I can't think of another NFL that knows Cornerbacks better than the Carolina Panthers, so if they took one here, it has to be the correct choice and he has to be better than Surtain for what they need.

[RedTeamGo!]

Damn, I would have taken the LB from ND, but they need another corner too.

[adkindo]

Bateman may be a big steal in this draft. His 2020 film killed him.....he never really fully got over Covid during the season.

[SteelSD]

Damn, I would have taken the LB from ND, but they need another corner too.

There must be something up there. He's fallen way too far, even to the point where multiple players ranked behind him at the position have been selected.

[adkindo]

There must be something up there. He's fallen way too far, even to the point where multiple players ranked behind him at the position have been selected.

Who has been drafted at his position besides Parsons and Davis?

[SteelSD]

Who has been drafted at his position besides Parsons and Davis?

That would be multiple players at his position, right?

[adkindo]

Saints with another bad reach for a defensive end.

[adkindo]

That would be multiple players at his position, right?

yeah....personally, I would have taken Parsons and Davis over him. I did not think they were ranked below him, but I just looked at ESPN and noticed they are per ESPN.

[RiverRat13]

No. They traded a different 1st Round pick to the Dolphins than their own. They still have their 1st Round pick every year from now.No, the 49ers don't have a 1st round pick in 2022 or 2023.

[adkindo]

dang, I wanted Oweh for the Bucs

[adkindo]

but I am good with Tryon

[SteelSD]

Well, the first round is done now. That's probably good as the ESPN announcers appear to be getting frustrated that the draft is interrupting their conversation...for the last four hours.

[adkindo]

I think it is near criminal that Trevon Moehrig is still on the board....

[KronoRed]

That was agonizing.

[JaxRed]

I think it is near criminal that Trevon Moehrig is still on the board....

Urban said it was tough decision to pick Travis Etienne over the corners and safeties that were on the board. And Jags pick next.

[757690]

Roger Goodell tonight:

“Every year millions of children go to bed hungry, crying themselves to sleep, many eventually commit suicide... and with the 13th pick, the Chargers choose...”

[adkindo]

Urban said it was tough decision to pick Travis Etienne over the corners and safeties that were on the board. And Jags pick next.

yeah....they played it right because I thought that was where he would go with the second 1st Round pick.....now they can get him in the 2nd Round.

[JaxRed]

yeah....they played it right because I thought that was where he would go with the second 1st Round pick.....now they can get him in the 2nd Round.

I'm still not sure that's where they go. They could. The GM says they still have 3 or 4 guys on their board that had first round grades. I'm hoping someone blows them away with an offer to trade down.

All the teams will spend the next 16 hours looking at who's left....

[KoryMac5]

Lions didn’t overthink it. When the best LT in years falls to you at 7 you say “thank you” and take him.

And yet several analysts and scouts don't feel the same way about Sewell as you...in fact had Sewell come out last season he would have been the 4th tackle off the board. Sewell will have a nice career but lets not prop him up to be something he isn't.

[Bourgeois Zee]

I'd love to see the Bengals focus on the offensive line with this pick, but I'm unsure about tackle. The guards and center all struggled last year, to some degree or another. (And I like Sam Cosmi as a target in either the 3rd or 4th round as a tackle.) Might be able to deal down with Cleveland or Jacksonville?

[Oxilon]

I'd love to see the Bengals focus on the offensive line with this pick, but I'm unsure about tackle. The guards and center all struggled last year, to some degree or another. (And I like Sam Cosmi as a target in either the 3rd or 4th round as a tackle.) Might be able to deal down with Cleveland or Jacksonville?

Understatement of the year? The Bengals entered the offseason with question marks at each position on the offensive line. So far, they kind of patched one with Reiff and are clearly banking on Jonah Williams becoming durable overnight. Still leaves three big question marks in the middle though.

[WrongVerb]

Two observations before the first pick...

Anthony Munoz is old (happens to the best of us). And Orlando Pace is friggin huge.

[Ohayou]

Can't help but cringe when I see Munoz's hand lol.

[podgejeff_]

There's so many OL left.

Do they trade back?

[paintmered]

Denver trades up for the RB out of UNC.

[Ohayou]

Eagles take Dickerson.

[podgejeff_]

Apparently we traded our pick to NE.

[WrongVerb]

There's so many OL left.

Do they trade back?

I think they just did with the Patriots

[KoryMac5]

Great move to pick up 2 4th rounders by the Bengals...

Bengals trade: Pick 38

Patriots trade: Pick 46, 122, 139

[Ohayou]

Jenkins gone to Chicago. Something tells me they end up with Humphrey or Davis.

[WrongVerb]

Great move to pick up 2 4th rounders by the Bengals...

Bengals trade: Pick 38

Patriots trade: Pick 46, 122, 139

Agreed. Nice strategic move back.

NE selects Barmore.

[WrongVerb]

Radunz, Cosmi, Mayfield still on the board.

[podgejeff_]

What about Forsythe?

[WrongVerb]

What about Forsythe?

They could select him with one of the 4ths they picked up.

[Tony Cloninger]

You think they will last until the 4th. I’m
Surprised people are on board with this. Hell the Bengals should have received the NE pick outright in the 3rd for their tape gate.

[WrongVerb]

Hoping for Radunz here.

[WVRed]

Jackson Carman is the pick.

Well they did take an OL. Major reach.

[Tony Cloninger]

I thought they traded out of round 2. My mistake. Carry on

[RedTeamGo!]

Goodness that’s a terrible move by the bengals. Wowzer.

[WrongVerb]

Meh

[paintmered]

Hope he works out. Because it's malpractice if he doesn't.

[WVRed]

https://www.nfl.com/prospects/jackson-carman/32004341-5219-8645-d8f8-13f7e39c03a5

Projected as a backup and the Bengals take him second round.

[RedTeamGo!]

That is a perfect example of trying way too hard to be the smartest guy in the room. I guarantee Carmen was plan J or K in this draft at OL. They had every single one of those linemen drafted ahead of them in the 2nd round over Carmen on their big board and settled on a dude that probably went pro because he was going to lose his starting spot at Clemson and was drafted on high school pedigree.

[podgejeff_]

https://www.nfl.com/prospects/jackson-carman/32004341-5219-8645-d8f8-13f7e39c03a5

Projected as a backup and the Bengals take him second round.

Projected as a backup as a tackle.

As a guard it says he's a starter.

Bengals need guards bad.

[WVRed]

Projected as a backup as a tackle.

As a guard it says he's a starter.

Bengals need guards bad.

Then take Wyatt Davis.

[Larkin90]

This dude could have been picked up as an UDFA and the Bengals took him in the 2nd. Shades of the 2nd round Sample reach all over again. I’ll be shocked if he’s still in the league 5 years from now. Whoever is in charge has absolutely no idea what they’re doing...totally wasted a 2nd round pick and will NEVER have anything to show for it. Sigh...

[WVRed]

Rondale Moore in Arizona is going to be fascinating.

[RedTeamGo!]

Then take Wyatt Davis.

You can get solid G’s in the 3rd or 4th round. This is a panic move. They totally F’d up by trading 38, didn’t expect the run on OT. After it happened you just swallow your pride and take a DE or DT, then draft a G in the 3rd. Wow.

[podgejeff_]

You can get solid G’s in the 3rd or 4th round. This is a panic move. They totally F’d up by trading 38, didn’t expect the run on OT. After it happened you just swallow your pride and take a DE or DT, then draft a G in the 3rd. Wow.

Their pick was in way too quick.

They knew exactly who they were taking.

Read somewhere else that they wanted Dickerson but the Eagles messed that up.

[WVRed]

You can get solid G’s in the 3rd or 4th round. This is a panic move. They totally F’d up by trading 38, didn’t expect the run on OT. After it happened you just swallow your pride and take a DE or DT, then draft a G in the 3rd. Wow.

They need bodies so they did get a haul for that pick. It was a risk trading back but Eichenberg and Jenkins were taken so it’s not like there was a “run” like you said.

The problem is Carman was picked when there was other highly rated tackles still on the board. Dillon Radunz for example.

[WVRed]

Owusu-Koromoah to Cleveland.

Everyone getting better but the Bengals.

[nmculbreth]

That is a perfect example of trying way too hard to be the smartest guy in the room. I guarantee Carmen was plan J or K in this draft at OL. They had every single one of those linemen drafted ahead of them in the 2nd round over Carmen on their big board and settled on a dude that probably went pro because he was going to lose his starting spot at Clemson and was drafted on high school pedigree.

This is sooooooo Bengals.

[WrongVerb]

I'm rooting that Carman solidifies the Bengals line.

[RedTeamGo!]

Owusu-Koromoah to Cleveland.

Everyone getting better but the Bengals.

Wonderful move by the browns. Hell yes.

[kaldaniels]

I’ll take JOK for Cleveland.

Never had a doubt.

[RedTeamGo!]

Never had a doubt.

Lol, before the draft I would have been ecstatic if they drafted him in the first round. Wild.

[WVRed]

Anyone want to bet the Steelers take Creed Humphrey or Dillon Radunz?

You know, someone the Bengals should have picked.

[WVRed]

Browns fans booing Franco Harris is priceless.

Friermuth. Damn.

[RedTeamGo!]

Todd McShay had a 75 grade on Carmen. Every OL drafted before and after him in the 2nd round was rated between 80-88.

Oh yeah, also, Carmen went to the south for college because he “hated” living in Ohio

[kaldaniels]

Lol, before the draft I would have been ecstatic if they drafted him in the first round. Wild.

Kinda asking myself why he fell so far, but I think I’ll leave that for another day. But I’m ecstatic with Newsome and JOK.

[RedTeamGo!]

Kinda asking myself why he fell so far, but I think I’ll leave that for another day. But I’m ecstatic with Newsome and JOK.

Apparently some medical concerns popped up during pre-draft process, that’s a great risk to take though. Dynamic defender.

[BillDoran]

ESPN had Carman as the No. 78 overall prospect in the draft. The Bengals took him at 46.

Was it reach? Sure. But it wasn't crazy. He's a hometown kid as well.

[RedTeamGo!]

ESPN had Carman as the No. 78 overall prospect in the draft. The Bengals took him at 46.

Was it reach? Sure. But it wasn't crazy. He's a hometown kid as well.

A hometown kid that went to the south for college because he “hated” living in Ohio lol

[Dom Heffner]

he's a back up lol

terrible.

[KoryMac5]

he's a back up lol

terrible.

I look forward to coming back to these posts in several months...kid will start at guard day 1 and when Reif leaves he will kick to Tackle.

[RedTeamGo!]

I look forward to coming back to these posts in several months...kid will start at guard day 1 and when Reif leaves he will kick to Tackle.

We shall see.

[Dom Heffner]

I look forward to coming back to these posts in several months...kid will start at guard day 1 and when Reif leaves he will kick to Tackle.

Yeah. Something tells me youll forget to come back.

[oregonred]

This dude could have been picked up as an UDFA and the Bengals took him in the 2nd. Shades of the 2nd round Sample reach all over again. I’ll be shocked if he’s still in the league 5 years from now. Whoever is in charge has absolutely no idea what they’re doing...totally wasted a 2nd round pick and will NEVER have anything to show for it. Sigh...

UDFA??? This is ludicrous.

Most had Jackson no lower than the mid-3rd round with major upside if moved to Guard. He protected Lawrence blindside and was a big part of opening huge holes for Ettiene and that offense the last two years.

I am an OSU homer but shake my head at some OSU fans that hold a grudge against a 5-star Ohio HS kid since he went out of state

[RedTeamGo!]

UDFA??? This is ludicrous.

Most had Jackson no lower than the mid-3rd round with major upside if moved to Guard. He protected Lawrence blindside and was a big part of opening huge holes for Ettiene and that offense the last two years.

I am an OSU homer but shake my head at some OSU fans that hold a grudge against a 5-star Ohio HS kid since he went out of state

I want to very clear I couldn’t care less he didn’t go to OSU.

[Larkin90]

ESPN had Carman as the No. 78 overall prospect in the draft. The Bengals took him at 46.

Was it reach? Sure. But it wasn't crazy. He's a hometown kid as well.

He also has a bad back and just had surgery on it. He’ll be lucky if he can dress himself in 10 years, much less be dressed for game day in the NFL. This lazy kid with short arms would have been a reach in the 4th round even if he was healthy. With a potentially degenerative back injury that he might never fully recover from? Apparently that bumps him up to a 2nd rounder on Zach’s board.

Edit to add: His back surgery was to repair a herniated disc. Here’s what a quick search had to say about that. A herniated disc can begin degeneration processes.

“These changes are more likely to occur in people who smoke cigarettes and those who do heavy physical work (such as repeated heavy lifting). People who are obese are also more likely to have symptoms of degenerative disc disease.
A sudden (acute) injury leading to a herniated disc (such as a fall) may also begin the degeneration process.”

On a Bengals message board, another poster said this:

“DM from a scout about the Carman pick: Buddy if you know what we know, I don’t think they did their homework."

[KoryMac5]

Yeah. Something tells me youll forget to come back.

doubtful...

[KoryMac5]

He also has a bad back and just had surgery on it. He’ll be lucky if he can dress himself in 10 years, much less be dressed for game day in the NFL. This lazy kid with short arms would have been a reach in the 4th round even if he was healthy. With a potentially degenerative back injury that he might never fully recover from? Apparently that bumps him up to a 2nd rounder on Zach’s board.

He had surgery on a disc in his back and all of the sudden he is going to be lucky to dress himself... some of you need a new hobby. Kid was rated a 2nd to 3rd pick on most boards not sure where everyone is getting this info from that he was rated a 4th or 5th rounder...silly season on Redszone again.

[757690]

So maybe that trade with the Pats wasn’t so smart, unless the Bengals wanted Carman all along.

[KoryMac5]

So maybe that trade with the Pats wasn’t so smart, unless the Bengals wanted Carman all along.

They wanted to take him at 38 according to twitter...made the move back and picked up 2 4's solid move.

[Dom Heffner]

Yeah 2 4's that they'll have no clue what to do with.

Is Drew Sample available...

[Bob Sheed]

Yeah 2 4's that they'll have no clue what to do with.

Is Drew Sample available...

No but hopefully there will be a pack-a-day smoking tight-end still available.

[nmculbreth]

The most frustrating part about this is the fact that the whole argument for taking Chase over Sewell is that the Bengals could land an OT capable of starting on day one at #38 and it actually came to fruition and instead of just taking the best OL available they traded down to stockpile picks (in a shallow draft), had the rug pulled out from underneath them and ended up reaching for a project.

[KoryMac5]

Yeah 2 4's that they'll have no clue what to do with.

Is Drew Sample available...

It's always amazing to me how folks can barely watch a kid play and already write him off...how many hrs have you scouted this player to make such a statement. I realize the Bengals have a poor track record but lets give the kid a chance.

[KoryMac5]

The most frustrating part about this is the fact that the whole argument for taking Chase over Sewell is that the Bengals could land an OT capable of starting on day one at #38 and it actually came to fruition and instead of just taking the best OL available they traded down to stockpile picks (in a shallow draft), had the rug pulled out from underneath them and ended up reaching for a project.

They took the highest rated lineman on their board...they didn't have Cosmi...Eichenberg...or Jenkins rated as high...Willie Anderson worked with him before the draft and vouched that he was the real deal.

[Playadlc]

Love the Ossai pick. Love it.

[paintmered]

The Bengals view him as a guard and not a tackle.

[RedTeamGo!]

Ossai good pick for sure. Dude is a freak.

Panthers having a weird draft. Not sure about that tackle from BYU, sounds like a backup. Marshall might be a steal.

[Larkin90]

Wonder if Ossai can play on the OL...”draft malpractice” continues

[KoryMac5]

Wonder if Ossai can play on the OL...”draft malpractice” continues

They need to get pressure on the QB too their sack total last year was abysmal...

[WrongVerb]

As carman was a reach, Ossai fell into the Bengals lap. Glad they didn't outthink that one.

[UKFlounder]

Somebody on Twitter said if you listed Ossi as the 2nd round choice and Carman as the third, it might look a little better



As carman was a reach, Ossai fell into the Bengals lap. Glad they didn't outthink that one.

[RiverRat13]

Rapien reported this afternoon that the Bengals were targeting Carman. I don't like the pick, but it wasn't a case where they traded too far back and panicked (like they did with Drew Sample). I guess give them credit for understanding they liked Carman more than the rest of the league and could afford to trade back.

[Ohayou]

The Drew Sample comps make zero sense. Sample was a legitimate 5th-6th round projected pick, someone many had outside their Top 10 TE's in 2019. He was a massive reach in comparison.

Pollack/Big Willie worked Carman out, and endorsed the pick. I'll take it.

[Tony Cloninger]

The Drew Sample comps make zero sense. Sample was a legitimate 5th-6th round projected pick, someone many had outside their Top 10 TE's in 2019. He was a massive reach in comparison.

Pollack/Big Willie worked Carman out, and endorsed the pick. I'll take it.


I thought it was Paul Alexander and Willie?

[Ohayou]

Yeah, my bad. I forget he's no longer with the Bengals.

[RedTeamGo!]

Holy smokes did Tommy Togiai make a mistake going pro after a small sample size of 2020. This is why players should be able to go back to college after declaring for the draft. Dude just made the biggest mistake of his life.

[kaldaniels]

Holy smokes did Tommy Togiai make a mistake going pro after a small sample size of 2020. This is why players should be able to go back to college after declaring for the draft. Dude just made the biggest mistake of his life.

I was just coming here to say the opposite for Shaun Wade. Damn.

[RedTeamGo!]

I was just coming here to say the opposite for Shaun Wade. Damn.

Yep! The craziest thing about Wade is his dad was one of the most outspoken figures to get a season going this season in CFB.

And there goes Togiai to the browns

[RedTeamGo!]

Someone is going to get a good nickel in Wade pretty soon here. Not a straight up man CB at all, but he can defend the slot really well.

[RedTeamGo!]

Panthers quietly having a great draft. Chuba in the 4th round

[WrongVerb]

So when does Maurice Jones Drew say "well, enough about me"? He's reaching Theismann levels of self-reference.

[KoryMac5]

So when does Maurice Jones Drew say "well, enough about me"? He's reaching Theismann levels of self-reference.

He is on my no watch list...his mock drafts are awful.

[BuckeyeRed27]

Holy smokes did Tommy Togiai make a mistake going pro after a small sample size of 2020. This is why players should be able to go back to college after declaring for the draft. Dude just made the biggest mistake of his life.

Yeah someone gave him bad advice.

That said he probably starts for the Browns this year.

[BuckeyeRed27]

Someone is going to get a good nickel in Wade pretty soon here. Not a straight up man CB at all, but he can defend the slot really well.

Freaking Ravens. Probably the perfect spot for him.

[Rdirtypirates]

Rapien reported this afternoon that the Bengals were targeting Carman. I don't like the pick, but it wasn't a case where they traded too far back and panicked (like they did with Drew Sample). I guess give them credit for understanding they liked Carman more than the rest of the league and could afford to trade back.

It is quite simple it is their lack of scouts. Duke Tobin is the smartest guy in the room. There were plenty of better picks. This is why I wanted Sewell because I figured they would try to outsmart everyone. This is a TERRIBLE PICK. It shouldn't be a surprise though.

[KoryMac5]

It is quite simple it is their lack of scouts. Duke Tobin is the smartest guy in the room. There were plenty of better picks. This is why I wanted Sewell because I figured they would try to outsmart everyone. This is a TERRIBLE PICK. It shouldn't be a surprise though.

I would agree with reach but to call the pick terrible is a bit much most of the folks who follow the draft and watch hour of tape like Carmen...I guess its just popular to bash at least one pick the Bengals make...

SI graded the pick an A
USA today gave it a B
CBS B-
NFL.com A-
Sporting News B+
Yahoo sports C


Multiple league sources told AllBengals that Cincinnati wasn't alone in their pursuit of Carman in round two. On paper, he was expected to be a third round pick, but NFL teams held the 21-year-old in higher regard than the general public.

[Rdirtypirates]

I would agree with reach but to call the pick terrible is a bit much most of the folks who follow the draft and watch hour of tape like Carmen...I guess its just popular to bash at least one pick the Bengals make...

SI graded the pick an A
USA today gave it a B
CBS B-
NFL.com A-
Sporting News B+
Yahoo sports C

Why it is a terrible pick to me is because there were better tackles imo. I think Cosmi is gonna be worlds better. I hope they are right, but the Bengals have the worst scouting team in football, maybe I would like it better if I had faith in their scouting.

[Ohayou]

Dylan Moses bout to go undrafted? Damn.

[KoryMac5]

Why it is a terrible pick to me is because there were better tackles imo. I think Cosmi is gonna be worlds better. I hope they are right, but the Bengals have the worst scouting team in football, maybe I would like it better if I had faith in their scouting.

Not a huge Cosmi fan I would have nabbed Jenkins and called it a day...I am willing to bet Jackson has a better career than Cosmi though. Physically Cosmi is off the charts but on film he plays a bit stiff and too upright for me. Time will tell.

[adkindo]

this is gold

https://twitter.com/Hawk/status/1388227639740014592

[JaxRed]

Dylan Moses bout to go undrafted? Damn.

Jags got him as UDFA and put him on NFI list.

[RichRed]

Any Bearcats fans here who can give me the scoop on The Football Team’s new safety, Darrick Forrest? I’m kinda excited about him but recognize it could be a case of draft prospect fever.

[Ohayou]

Jags got him as UDFA and put him on NFI list.

If he can get back to where he was during his Sophomore year, he'll be a steal.

I see they signed the Illinois WR Imatorbhebhe, too. Nice. IDK how athletic freaks like that don't even get a 7th rounder used on them, especially in a draft with as much uncertainty as this one.

[Bob Sheed]

Wait, I thought Pollack replaced Turner. When did Alexander come back into the fold?

[Tony Cloninger]

Wait, I thought Pollack replaced Turner. When did Alexander come back into the fold?

He did. Alexander for some reason was working out the Clemson T with Willie Anderson. I guess it’s a way to save money in scouts.

[Bob Sheed]

He did. Alexander for some reason was working out the Clemson T with Willie Anderson. I guess it’s a way to save money in scouts.

That's strange to me, I guess.

I thought the reason why they let Alexander go was because his coaching methods were outdated and his old school demeanor rubbed a lot of players the wrong way.

Then they brought in Pollack who was the opposite of that and had great results.

Then they let him go and brought in Zac Attack's good bud Jim Turner, who was finally let go because his coaching methods were outdated and his old school demeanor rubbed a lot of players the wrong way.

And then they brought Pollack back, whom they never should have let go in the first place.

Now Alexander is still in the mix, with Big Willie, influencing who the Bengals draft on offensive line?

Jeez why not just hire scouts to do that?

Oh... right...

[Tony Cloninger]

Please read the article on SI.com under All Bengals Insider where Alexander says that whenever he talks to the Bengals he always goes to the top man to talk. Basically he said I speak with Mike directly. He said that he spoke with him personally about Carmen and that Brown already liked him. Maybe Pollack already did too. Who knows. At least they drafted a couple of more good looking OL later. The injury concerns do worry me. They need these guys to develop so Jordan and X man don’t see the field much.

I was surprised they did not go after more UFA for LB and maybe another WR. CB. There were some decent OL help too.

[RiverRat13]

Alexander is a personal trainer for offensive linemen. He worked with Sewell, too. That's also what Big Willie does. Basically what Jordan Palmer does for QBs, those guys will do with linemen. They aren't Bengals employees but I'm sure the Bengals reach out to either when considering guys they train. I don't know how much you can take away from what they say since they are getting paid by the prospects.

[WrongVerb]

I'm more concerned that Pollack never once saw Carmen in person.

I'm also wondering if Carmen ends up at RT with Reiff kicking inside to OG.

[Ohayou]

I'm more concerned that Pollack never once saw Carmen in person.

I'm also wondering if Carmen ends up at RT with Reiff kicking inside to OG.

Pollack did say, however, that he's had more interaction with Carman than most lineman over the years. Everything I've read says the Bengals plan to start him at guard. Tobin talked to Willie and asked him about starting at RG, tackle potentially. Willie gave Carman a good review. They also spoke with Dabo. So, it's pretty clear Carman was their guy for a while.

[Tony Cloninger]

Alexander is a personal trainer for offensive linemen. He worked with Sewell, too. That's also what Big Willie does. Basically what Jordan Palmer does for QBs, those guys will do with linemen. They aren't Bengals employees but I'm sure the Bengals reach out to either when considering guys they train. I don't know how much you can take away from what they say since they are getting paid by the prospects.


Good info. I just don’t trust Alexander any.

I don’t understand why it’s so hard to hire Willie as a scout for just OL or PT coach. He wants to help.

[RiverRat13]

Good info. I just don’t trust Alexander any.

I don’t understand why it’s so hard to hire Willie as a scout for just OL or PT coach. He wants to help.

I assume he is making more money with more flexibility working for himself.

[GAC]

All I can add is that I am ecstatic at what the Browns did in the draft and in the market. Wow!

[RiverRat13]

All I can add is that I am ecstatic at what the Browns did in the draft and in the market. Wow!

Browns should be the favorite in the AFC North. If Baker is 90% what he was the second half of the season, they could win 12 or 13 games.

[oregonred]

Most pundits still have the Ravens as the favorite

The Browns will get the benefit of the 3rd place schedule (Pats/Texans and TBD NFC 3rd place team) as opposed to the Ravens (Dolphins/Colts and TBD NFC 2nd place team)

It all rest on Mayfield and if the Browns off season hype machine can translate on the retooled defense

[Kingspoint]

Browns should be the favorite in the AFC North. If Baker is 90% what he was the second half of the season, they could win 12 or 13 games.

Can't imagine someone silly enough to try to make an argument for anyone else.

[GAC]

All I can say gentlemen was that there was all types of hype a couple years ago ... "The Browns are going to the Super Bowl!" ... when they signed OBJr in the off-season.

Being a Reds and Browns fan for almost 60 years has "aged" my temperment to the point of moderation. I understand the reality of rooting for Ohia teams.

Who wants to go play some golf! lol