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Ron Madden
05-16-2021, 11:59 AM
Reds
1. Nick Senzel (R) 3B
2. Nick Castellanos (R) RF
3. Tyler Naquin (L) CF
4. Eugenio Suarez (R) SS
5. Tyler Stephenson (R) C
6. Shogo Akiyama (L) LF
7. Kyle Farmer (R) 1B
8. Jonathan India (R) 2B
9. Jeff Hoffman (R) P


Rockies
1. Raimel Tapia (L) LF
2. Connor Joe (R) 1B
3. Trevor Story (R) SS
4. Ryan McMahon (L) 2B
5. Garrett Hampson (R) CF
6. Josh Fuentes (R) 3B
7. Yonathan Daza (R) RF
8. Dom Nunez (L) C
9. Antonio Senzatela (R) P

KeefeCato
05-16-2021, 12:02 PM
Wow on the lineup and positions some are playing. Some real head scratchers. Here is hoping for a pile of runs. So Winker can get a day off but Saurez can not?

REDREAD
05-16-2021, 12:14 PM
Yea, I would much rather put Farmer at SS than 1b, and then juggle the other guys appropriately. Maybe that means Suarez at 1b.

RedTeamGo!
05-16-2021, 12:18 PM
Lol what is this

davereds24
05-16-2021, 12:23 PM
Naquin CF and Shogo LF?

757690
05-16-2021, 12:26 PM
Bob Boone Sunday Special

bing
05-16-2021, 12:28 PM
This seems like a 10-8 game based on the pitchers. So obviously going to have dueling no hitters going into the 7th today

Alf_Red_E
05-16-2021, 12:39 PM
Wow on the lineup and positions some are playing. Some real head scratchers. Here is hoping for a pile of runs. So Winker can get a day off but Saurez can not?

That was my first thought when I saw the lineup. I'm all for giving guys a day off. Some guys more than others.

757690
05-16-2021, 12:45 PM
Per Nightengale Twitter:

Amir Garrett is back today after his 5-game suspension: "I learned not to have fun." #Reds

JaxRed
05-16-2021, 12:48 PM
I've got no problem giving Winker a day off. But if Moose is really back in a day or two, make it then. If Moose is not assured to be back in 2-3 days, put him on the 10 Day DL.

I'd have Farmer 4th and Suarez 7th.

Moose Herd
05-16-2021, 12:51 PM
I've got no problem giving Winker a day off. But if Moose is really back in a day or two, make it then. If Moose is not assured to be back in 2-3 days, put him on the 10 Day DL.

I'd have Farmer 4th and Suarez 7th.

I’m not ready to live in a world where Farmer is hitting cleanup.

klw
05-16-2021, 12:53 PM
Wow on the lineup and positions some are playing. Some real head scratchers. Here is hoping for a pile of runs. So Winker can get a day off but Saurez can not?

Bell picking the lineup

https://i.gifer.com/origin/b4/b4993c2b9410a7df76c72bf42af21fc4_w200.gif

JaxRed
05-16-2021, 12:54 PM
Last 7 Days Farmer is hitting .360 with .407 OBP.

Suarez .222 with .222 OBP

TheBigLebowski
05-16-2021, 01:05 PM
I hate the idea of keeping Winker out of the lineup, especially at Coors. But Schlomo’s inclusion more than makes up for it.

JaxRed
05-16-2021, 01:17 PM
Per Nightengale Twitter:

Amir Garrett is back today after his 5-game suspension: "I learned not to have fun." #Reds

So I guess he didn't learn anything..... With Garrett back I'd put Cionel Perez back in AAA. He has more BB's than strikeouts. Bring up someone to hit. We don't need 14 pitchers. That still gives us 2 lefties in pen.

UPRedsFan
05-16-2021, 01:19 PM
Last 7 Days Farmer is hitting .360 with .407 OBP.

Suarez .222 with .222 OBP

Winker looked bad last night. Swung thru a belt high fastball late in the game to strike out. He probably needs a day.

JFLegal
05-16-2021, 01:20 PM
my god, winker does not need a day off. tinkerbell just can't get out of his own way. one bad game does not take away from the fact that he's been perhaps the hottest hitter in baseball over the last 3 weeks.

jwdoc77
05-16-2021, 01:24 PM
Why not Geno at 1st, India at 2nd, Farmer at SS and Senzi at 3rd...doesn’t that make more sense defensively?

Mitri
05-16-2021, 01:27 PM
Kinda love this lineup if you have to give Wink a breather.

Hoffman just needs to keep it in the park.

Tom Servo
05-16-2021, 01:28 PM
Really want this W

Ron Madden
05-16-2021, 01:34 PM
It's probably just a scheduled day off for Wink.
Nothin ' to go all Aunt Bea over. ;)

Kc61
05-16-2021, 01:46 PM
No problem giving Wink a day off. He didn’t look his best yesterday. And Coors’ big outfield isn’t a great match for him defensively.

But it’s noteworthy how Reds rest top guys like Cast and Winker - yet Suarez plays virtually every single day.

Suarez has the most PAs on the team. He is in the middle of the lineup every day. And he is hitting below .150.

I’m guessing that it’s an organizational decision, he’s highly paid, he plays whether he hits or not.

JaxRed
05-16-2021, 01:58 PM
I think it's a Bell decision. He's like Dusty. You reward your regulars who are playing badly. To show them you have faith in them. That's why Castillo was moved up in the rotation. He's one of the worst starters in MLB right now.

Suarez is terrible right now. He should be playing every other day and low in the lineup.

mhs95_06
05-16-2021, 01:59 PM
Let's count the number of times today a weak defensive play costs a free baserunner or a base advanced.

Ron Madden
05-16-2021, 02:12 PM
Charlie Goldsmith
@CharlieG__
David Bell says this is a scheduled off day for Jesse Winker.
“Not easy to take Wink out of the lineup, but also very important."

David Bell on Nick Senzel at third base today: “He has been staying ready, getting work in. Today is the day to give it a shot… He wants to do it, that’s the big thing."

Kc61
05-16-2021, 02:25 PM
I think it's a Bell decision. He's like Dusty. You reward your regulars who are playing badly. To show them you have faith in them. That's why Castillo was moved up in the rotation. He's one of the worst starters in MLB right now.

Suarez is terrible right now. He should be playing every other day and low in the lineup.

I agree with your suggestion. Suarez should be in an infield rotation. Reds now have lots of decent or better infielders. Senzel has joined that club, India, etc. Take down the temperature, relieve the pressure, and help the team.

JaxRed
05-16-2021, 02:25 PM
I'm hoping we see Warren in relief today. Get a little evaluation on what we have there. Unscored upon in his first outing (one inning) but had 2 walks.

KeefeCato
05-16-2021, 02:29 PM
So I guess he didn't learn anything..... With Garrett back I'd put Cionel Perez back in AAA. He has more BB's than strikeouts. Bring up someone to hit. We don't need 14 pitchers. That still gives us 2 lefties in pen.

I imagine Perez will be send down tomorrow. Moose maybe on IL tomorrow as well if he can't play by then. Tom pointed out the other day in a thread that Feliz could not join the club until he passed Covid tests. So he probably joins tomorrow on the homestand and Perez goes back to Louisville.

KeefeCato
05-16-2021, 02:33 PM
I'm hoping we see Warren in relief today. Get a little evaluation on what we have there. Unscored upon in his first outing (one inning) but had 2 walks.

I look for Warren and Garrett to pitch a couple innings each today. Provided they don't get hammered in inning one. Getting 5 innings from Hoffman would be a minor miracle. I would settle for 5 Inns 4 runs from him and call that a win.

RedTeamGo!
05-16-2021, 02:40 PM
No problem giving Wink a day off. He didn’t look his best yesterday. And Coors’ big outfield isn’t a great match for him defensively.

But it’s noteworthy how Reds rest top guys like Cast and Winker - yet Suarez plays virtually every single day.

Suarez has the most PAs on the team. He is in the middle of the lineup every day. And he is hitting below .150.

I’m guessing that it’s an organizational decision, he’s highly paid, he plays whether he hits or not.

He’s not really highly paid, though. $11 million salary this year, Cast is making more. Also, Suarez had a scheduled off day on 4/27. I bet he would have had a scheduled off day last Sunday as well, but the game was postponed.

TheBigLebowski
05-16-2021, 02:45 PM
So SenzIL at 3rd? Mr Baseball Oh-For-Eighty-Two Suarez still in there at short.

Maybe this season is the org’s newfound focus on versatility and change for its own sake.

Kc61
05-16-2021, 02:58 PM
A
He’s not really highly paid, though. $11 million salary this year, Cast is making more. Also, Suarez had a scheduled off day on 4/27. I bet he would have had a scheduled off day last Sunday as well, but the game was postponed.

By Reds’ post-COVID standards, Suarez is highly paid. We saw the Reds’ current attitude toward payroll this last off-season.

Cast and Moose are making more, but they are not in deep slumps. So they get their regular time off. Normal schedule.

In Suarez’ case, with a lower BA than Wade Miley yet the most PAs on the club, it’s likely been discussed organizationally. Can’t imagine he remains so heavily used without FO involvement/approval.

Alabama Red
05-16-2021, 03:14 PM
I hate the idea of keeping Winker out of the lineup, especially at Coors. But Schlomo’s inclusion more than makes up for it.
If Shogo is ever going to hit a HR Coors may be the place.

NebraskaRed
05-16-2021, 03:15 PM
Cool strike zone

Alabama Red
05-16-2021, 03:15 PM
A

By Reds’ post-COVID standards, Suarez is highly paid. We saw the Reds’ current attitude toward payroll this last off-season.

Cast and Moose are making more, but they are not in deep slumps. So they get their regular time off. Normal schedule.

In Suarez’ case, with a lower BA than Wade Miley yet the most PAs on the club, it’s likely been discussed organizationally. Can’t imagine he remains so heavily used without FO involvement/approval.

He’s a great guy so he’ll pull out of it. I think that’s the Red’s position.

DocRed
05-16-2021, 03:15 PM
Sh***y Umps strike again. What else is new? Seriously replace these overpaid clowns with robots already

JaxRed
05-16-2021, 03:17 PM
I had a bad case of Senzatela one time but antibiotics cleared it up.

NebraskaRed
05-16-2021, 03:19 PM
Tyler Naquin is the new Scott Schebler

Kc61
05-16-2021, 03:22 PM
Tyler Naquin is the new Scott Schebler

If you mean double plays, Scott did hit into his share, as I recall. Thanks for the memories.

DocRed
05-16-2021, 03:22 PM
4 pitch walk...awesome. I see another crappy start by Reds starters this series.

JFLegal
05-16-2021, 03:22 PM
gotta get hoffman out of the rotation.

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could be his last start as a red right here.

KeefeCato
05-16-2021, 03:24 PM
gotta get hoffman out of the rotation.

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could be his last start as a red right here.

DFA would be better.

NebraskaRed
05-16-2021, 03:25 PM
Connor Joe should request to continually keep getting traded to whichever team the Reds are playing.

mhs95_06
05-16-2021, 03:25 PM
4 pitch walk...awesome. I see another crappy start by Reds starters this series.

Hoffman more than most should know that in Denver the death knell for pitchers are first walks that give free bases, then bloopers because the OF is so far back.

JFLegal
05-16-2021, 03:28 PM
at least amir should be able to go 5 innings today.

oh wait, we don't want that either.

Kc61
05-16-2021, 03:29 PM
Problem with this game is that Antone and Sims are likely unavailable. Both pitched two innings yesterday.

DocRed
05-16-2021, 03:30 PM
Poor throw by India...

JaxRed
05-16-2021, 03:30 PM
Kind of a slow turn there at second

mhs95_06
05-16-2021, 03:30 PM
There's 1. Should have been an inning ending DP were it not for Suarez' slow turn.

JFLegal
05-16-2021, 03:32 PM
jeez, that was a strike.

DocRed
05-16-2021, 03:32 PM
Friggin ump

NebraskaRed
05-16-2021, 03:33 PM
This ump really, really blows.

JFLegal
05-16-2021, 03:34 PM
good job hoffman. gets out of it despite getting squeezed.

NebraskaRed
05-16-2021, 03:34 PM
A lot of pitches but no runs.

Better than we all expected.

mhs95_06
05-16-2021, 03:36 PM
There's 1. Should have been an inning ending DP were it not for Suarez' slow turn.

Contributed to no runs, but 8 extra pitches.

NebraskaRed
05-16-2021, 03:36 PM
Suarez with a no doubter home run at GABP*

double at Coors

JFLegal
05-16-2021, 03:37 PM
jeeeeeeem day

JFLegal
05-16-2021, 03:39 PM
really nice stephenson's approach at the plate.

mhs95_06
05-16-2021, 03:39 PM
Good situational AB by Stephenson.

JFLegal
05-16-2021, 03:41 PM
boom! GET TO THE CHOPPER!

Reds Fanatic
05-16-2021, 03:41 PM
1-0 Reds on the Shogo infield hit

NebraskaRed
05-16-2021, 03:41 PM
Shogo comes thru!

Kc61
05-16-2021, 03:42 PM
That’s why contact is good in today’s MLB. Shogo chopper gets the run home, and he happened to beat it out too.

mhs95_06
05-16-2021, 03:42 PM
Good situational AB by Stephenson.

Same for Akiyama for the RBI. Turning into a hit was a bonus.

Stray
05-16-2021, 03:42 PM
Geno and Shogo getting us on the board. Awesome.

Red Raindog
05-16-2021, 03:43 PM
Geno and Shogo getting us on the board. Awesome.

Means they’ll probably score 25
Hopefully it’s enough
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JFLegal
05-16-2021, 03:44 PM
what a dumb steal attempt. even if you make it, they just walk india and make the pitcher hit. sooooo dumb.

Red Raindog
05-16-2021, 03:44 PM
Shogo a nogo on theft attempt


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mhs95_06
05-16-2021, 03:45 PM
Geno and Shogo getting us on the board. Awesome.

And Stephenson!

NebraskaRed
05-16-2021, 03:46 PM
Shogo giving Redszone ammunition for praise and for criticism. He's a people pleaser!

JFLegal
05-16-2021, 03:47 PM
Shogo giving Redszone ammunition for praise and for criticism. He's a people pleaser!

you also never know if it was a called steal and he was just following coach's orders. if that was him doing that on his own? very dumb.

mhs95_06
05-16-2021, 03:47 PM
what a dumb steal attempt. even if you make it, they just walk india and make the pitcher hit. sooooo dumb.

That's the point. If that happens you clear the pitcher's spot, and give the pitcher a runner in scoring position for a bloop or a hack thru the infield.

Stray
05-16-2021, 03:47 PM
We have some speed on this team. It's wild how bad we are at stealing bases.

NebraskaRed
05-16-2021, 03:48 PM
Josh Fuentes and Connor Joe are gonna be devastated that they have to play against a different team tomorrow.

JFLegal
05-16-2021, 03:49 PM
That's the point. If that happens you clear the pitcher's spot, and give the pitcher a runner in scoring position for a bloop or a hack thru the infield.

stealing there goes completely against the analytics, but ok.

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two down.

JFLegal
05-16-2021, 03:51 PM
nice job hoffman.

NebraskaRed
05-16-2021, 03:51 PM
2 scoreless innings from Hoffman is far better than I expected.

mhs95_06
05-16-2021, 03:52 PM
Hoffman with an excellent pitching sequence to the pitcher. I was afraid after the good swing at the first pitch fastball, he was going to throw another one.

Ironman92
05-16-2021, 03:55 PM
I’m jealous of virtually every other team’s defense

mhs95_06
05-16-2021, 03:55 PM
2nd baseman makes the play in spite of the P knocking it away from him!

KeefeCato
05-16-2021, 03:56 PM
India and that batting helmet.

Ironman92
05-16-2021, 03:58 PM
I’m jealous of virtually every other team’s defense

And again 1 batter later

mhs95_06
05-16-2021, 04:02 PM
I’m jealous of virtually every other team’s defense

Yes, starting when Billy Hamilton was let go, and really taking a hit last year when they let Iglesias get away and signed Moose and Castellanos. Votto has always been an albatross.

JFLegal
05-16-2021, 04:06 PM
hoffman is dealing. and yes, i just typed that.

mhs95_06
05-16-2021, 04:07 PM
Brantley right on the money with the comments about the batter telling you what he's trying to do. I wonder how many times he was injured on a hard come-backer when he spent too much time observing the hitter!

traderumor
05-16-2021, 04:10 PM
Joe West can retire. And his entire crew is pathetic.

KeefeCato
05-16-2021, 04:16 PM
Joe West can retire. And his entire crew is pathetic.

Can pretty much say that about every crew.

TheBigLebowski
05-16-2021, 04:17 PM
Not real sure that hit him

Reds Fanatic
05-16-2021, 04:21 PM
Reds have grounded into a lot of DPs this series

TheBigLebowski
05-16-2021, 04:22 PM
Ghost of Brandon Phillips

RedTeamGo!
05-16-2021, 04:26 PM
Yes, starting when Billy Hamilton was let go, and really taking a hit last year when they let Iglesias get away and signed Moose and Castellanos. Votto has always been an albatross.

Always? He won a gold glove.

JFLegal
05-16-2021, 04:26 PM
and here is when hoffman probably completely loses it.

mhs95_06
05-16-2021, 04:27 PM
Always? He won a gold glove.

Yes, I don't know what the voters saw in him that year.

757690
05-16-2021, 04:28 PM
More evidence that Hoffman will end up in the pen.

JFLegal
05-16-2021, 04:29 PM
was only a matter of time. hoffman is a complete scrub.

traderumor
05-16-2021, 04:30 PM
Fuentes is as annoying as his cousin.

JFLegal
05-16-2021, 04:30 PM
man, going 1-5 v dbacks and 1-3 v rockies is a sure way to make sure your season spirals downhill fast.

mhs95_06
05-16-2021, 04:30 PM
Give that hitter credit, hitting that 94 mph fastball at least 6' off the plate at the hands.

KeefeCato
05-16-2021, 04:31 PM
More evidence that Hoffman will end up in the pen.

I would rather it be with another team.

JFLegal
05-16-2021, 04:32 PM
oh well, zero chance this reds team would have any chance of doing damage if they did somehow sneak in the playoffs. regular season is just something to kill time.

Kc61
05-16-2021, 04:32 PM
I would rather it be with another team.

Yeah. As if runs allowed after inning five don’t count against you.

RedTeamGo!
05-16-2021, 04:32 PM
Yes, I don't know what the voters saw in him that year.

Probably had something to do with being very good defensively, also, he’s career 53 DRS. He was quite good from 2008-2018 defensively. Your hate for him is clouding your judgement on his career, or you’re just ignorant. Take your pick.

BluegrassRedleg
05-16-2021, 04:33 PM
8th time Josh Fuentes has been on base in this series. He came into the series with a .524 OPS.

Reds Fanatic
05-16-2021, 04:34 PM
Nunez homers. 4-1

NebraskaRed
05-16-2021, 04:35 PM
Looks foul

757690
05-16-2021, 04:35 PM
I would rather it be with another team.

I think he can be an effective reliever.

DocRed
05-16-2021, 04:35 PM
Joe West is offing BLIND. Dude elfin retire already

traderumor
05-16-2021, 04:36 PM
Joe West needs to retire. That missed foul ball is proof positive. Not even close.

757690
05-16-2021, 04:36 PM
Wait, what? Joe West missed a call?

KeefeCato
05-16-2021, 04:36 PM
Blind Joe West

NebraskaRed
05-16-2021, 04:36 PM
Joe West was like, "I don't know, sounded like it was fair. Who can tell"

RollyInRaleigh
05-16-2021, 04:36 PM
Joe West is a clown.


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Larkin Fan
05-16-2021, 04:36 PM
Joe West is blind. How do you miss that call?

JaxRed
05-16-2021, 04:37 PM
What was West looking at?

phlbilly
05-16-2021, 04:37 PM
Joe West needs to retire. That missed foul ball is proof positive. Not even close.

He should have retired 10 years ago. He has been terrible for a long time.

traderumor
05-16-2021, 04:37 PM
I think he can be an effective reliever.

I'm not getting the Hoffman hate. He has a plus curve, 95 FB. I think he has potential.

NebraskaRed
05-16-2021, 04:38 PM
I'm not getting the Hoffman hate. He has a plus curve, 95 FB. I think he has potential.

Agreed

mhs95_06
05-16-2021, 04:39 PM
Probably had something to do with being very good defensively, also, he’s career 53 DRS. He was quite good from 2008-2018 defensively. Your hate for him is clouding your judgement on his career, or you’re just ignorant. Take your pick.

How about his poor technique and fundamentals. He got lucky a lot that year!

Ironman92
05-16-2021, 04:40 PM
Probably had something to do with being very good defensively, also, he’s career 53 DRS. He was quite good from 2008-2018 defensively. Your hate for him is clouding your judgement on his career, or you’re just ignorant. Take your pick.

He at one time was one of the better scoopers at 1st base. He’s never had great range from where he’s positioned. He’s never been good at bailing out a teammate on a not great throw to the right, left or high. At no point in his career has he displayed good foot work and is the worst stretching first baseman towards the throw I’ve ever seen. He was good for several years at not making errors. Fortunately on offense he was very good to great most years in the batters box.

Guessing that’s what mhs95 is seeing

NebraskaRed
05-16-2021, 04:40 PM
Joe West called that foul ball a grand slam.

Ironman92
05-16-2021, 04:40 PM
Wait, what? Joe West missed a call?

Yes and then 5000 games later he’s still terrible

JFLegal
05-16-2021, 04:40 PM
hoffman is sooooo bad.

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have amir come in and finish this one off.

DocRed
05-16-2021, 04:41 PM
Hoffman isn't good sorry

Ironman92
05-16-2021, 04:41 PM
Calling Tom Emanski

JFLegal
05-16-2021, 04:41 PM
never go full hoffman. he just went full hoffman. ballgame.

Reds Fanatic
05-16-2021, 04:42 PM
Ugh. Hoffman throws the ball away. 3-1

Moose Herd
05-16-2021, 04:42 PM
Whoops

Puff
05-16-2021, 04:42 PM
Oh c’mon man.

The Operator
05-16-2021, 04:42 PM
Well. What a fantastic time to tune into the game.

BluegrassRedleg
05-16-2021, 04:42 PM
The answer to the previous question is imagine STL running Hoffman out there every five days. (Hint: It wouldn’t happen... for long.)


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DocRed
05-16-2021, 04:43 PM
They really need to amend the rule to make that an Earned run when the pitcher makes a bonehead play...just like a wild pitch.

Reds Fanatic
05-16-2021, 04:43 PM
Now 4-1 on a sac fly

Kc61
05-16-2021, 04:43 PM
My concern today was that Reds would go deep with Hoffman.

Because the Reds’ best relievers aren’t available.

Down 3-1, I can’t see why he’s still in the game. Hendrix warming but now it’s 4-1.

JFLegal
05-16-2021, 04:43 PM
oh my god, was that naquin's grandma making that throw? that is as weak of a throw as you could imagine.

this team just sucks all the way around. do nothing well.

DocRed
05-16-2021, 04:43 PM
Naquin throws like a girl

NebraskaRed
05-16-2021, 04:44 PM
It was like Final Destination. You can reverse that home run call, but the Rockies are gonna score 2 more times some way or another.

BluegrassRedleg
05-16-2021, 04:44 PM
My god, what a terrible play by Naquin. No urgency, and a noodle arm.


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Red Raindog
05-16-2021, 04:44 PM
Hoffman career ERA 6.19 - yes Colorado has an effect but he did pitch on the road too

KeefeCato
05-16-2021, 04:44 PM
Not sure how anyone can say Hoffman isn't that bad. He is terrible. Rag arm Naquin. OF arms are horrible on this team.

JFLegal
05-16-2021, 04:45 PM
and now naquin drops a liner right at him.

no wonder the indians cut this guy.

NebraskaRed
05-16-2021, 04:45 PM
Naquin lol

Puff
05-16-2021, 04:45 PM
So do we know why Naquin is in center and Shogo is in left?

The Operator
05-16-2021, 04:45 PM
Naquin having himself a hell of a time out there in center.

5-1

Tom Servo
05-16-2021, 04:45 PM
That error was a game killer

DocRed
05-16-2021, 04:45 PM
Naquin is horrid

Banshee
05-16-2021, 04:45 PM
Wow, u-g-l-y.

traderumor
05-16-2021, 04:45 PM
https://media0.giphy.com/media/zAjqI0uxZr2HYO2S3C/giphy.gif
This inning

BluegrassRedleg
05-16-2021, 04:45 PM
What a trainwreck.


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The Operator
05-16-2021, 04:45 PM
They’re calling that a hit? Wow

RollyInRaleigh
05-16-2021, 04:45 PM
Reds are a clown show.


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NebraskaRed
05-16-2021, 04:46 PM
Some ugly, ugly baseball this series.

Ironman92
05-16-2021, 04:46 PM
You can’t make me understand how an OF (beyond the age of 11) doesn’t get his body in position to come forward, crow hop and use all you have to throw ball to home on a sac fly play

The line drive play next most o you know it has to be caught but also no idea how hard of a play that is.....but to not just take two steps more back and catch it with momentum coming forward.....not for the life of me can I understand it and also can’t understand how it’s allowed to happen.

mhs95_06
05-16-2021, 04:46 PM
He at one time was one of the better scoopers at 1st base. He’s never had great range from where he’s positioned. He’s never been good at bailing out a teammate on a not great throw to the right, left or high. At no point in his career has he displayed good foot work and is the worst stretching first baseman towards the throw I’ve ever seen. He was good for several years at not making errors. Fortunately on offense he was very good to great most years in the batters box.

Guessing that’s what mhs95 is seeing

Yes, that plus playing ground balls off to the side allowing them to go thru if he fails to glove them instead of off the body, playing matador defense, and falling down on purpose to make it look like it was a tougher play than it was.

Alabama Red
05-16-2021, 04:47 PM
Some ugly, ugly baseball this series.
And most of it from the Reds.

KeefeCato
05-16-2021, 04:47 PM
We knew going in this game Coors or not. They were going to have to score a bunch of runs to win. But they just keep running Hoffman out there. Try someone in Louisville can't be much worse.

Ironman92
05-16-2021, 04:47 PM
Naquin throws like a girl

My sister takes offense to that...and she also knows how to position herself to prep for that throw home.

The Operator
05-16-2021, 04:48 PM
Would literally be a 2-1 game if not for this defensive clown show going on. Yowza

traderumor
05-16-2021, 04:48 PM
Quick quiz: who has missed more plays: the Reds D or Joe West and his entire crew?

DocRed
05-16-2021, 04:48 PM
Losing 3 of 4 to what is probably the worst 4 starting pitchers we will see this year is about right for this awful team.

Kc61
05-16-2021, 04:48 PM
You can’t make me understand how an OF (beyond the age of 11) doesn’t get his body in position to come forward, crow hop and use all you have to throw ball to home on a sac fly play

The line drive play next most o you know it has to be caught but also no idea how hard of a play that is.....but to not just take two steps more back and catch it with momentum coming forward.....not for the life of me can I understand it and also can’t understand how it’s allowed to happen.

Many of the Reds are not gifted fielders. So we see things like that. It’s the nature of the Reds’ team.

NebraskaRed
05-16-2021, 04:48 PM
I can't stop thinking about how they scored that a double.

Larkin Fan
05-16-2021, 04:48 PM
They’re calling that a hit? Wow

The scorer is generous. That is an error all the way. Just ugly fundamentals.

Ironman92
05-16-2021, 04:48 PM
So do we know why Naquin is in center and Shogo is in left?

Because 2 wrongs make a right?

The Operator
05-16-2021, 04:49 PM
The scorer is generous. That is an error all the way. Just ugly fundamentals.

Indeed. Home cooking at its finest.

KeefeCato
05-16-2021, 04:49 PM
Losing 3 of 4 to what is probably the worst 4 starting pitchers we will see this year is about right for this awful team.

Crazy thing is. If this series were in GABP I bet the Reds would have 40 plus runs scored now.

Wonderful Monds
05-16-2021, 04:50 PM
This is basically still the 2019 Reds. Meh.

Alabama Red
05-16-2021, 04:50 PM
Might as well bring Santillon up for Hoffman’s next start.

Ironman92
05-16-2021, 04:50 PM
Yes, that plus playing ground balls off to the side allowing them to go thru if he fails to glove them instead of off the body, playing matador defense, and falling down on purpose to make it look like it was a tougher play than it was.

Brandon Phillips started that with flash and avoided bused body parts and errors....Votto joined him soon thereafter.

The Reds organization has been lax on fundamentals for 20 years now

Tom Servo
05-16-2021, 04:50 PM
The good news is Coors presents the opportunity for the Reds to have a similar inning. The bad news is the Rockies have more chances to do it too.

NebraskaRed
05-16-2021, 04:50 PM
If you told me that most of the team had taken edibles before every game this series, I would believe it easily.

REDREAD
05-16-2021, 04:51 PM
thankfully, the inning ends.

The Operator
05-16-2021, 04:51 PM
Perhaps I should have never tuned into the game.

KeefeCato
05-16-2021, 04:52 PM
Hoffman owns Story. Too bad the rest of the lineup owns him.

The Operator
05-16-2021, 04:52 PM
If you told me that most of the team had taken edibles before every game this series, I would believe it easily.

I’d be shocked if there wasn’t a non-zero number of Reds who did exactly that.

Ironman92
05-16-2021, 04:52 PM
Many of the Reds are not gifted fielders. So we see things like that. It’s the nature of the Reds’ team.

I’m ok they aren’t gifted but when you aren’t gifted you are extra big on the fundamentals....but not the Reds for whatever reason.

REDREAD
05-16-2021, 04:52 PM
Perhaps I should have never tuned into the game.

lol, you were born to suffer, it seems.

Reds Fanatic
05-16-2021, 04:53 PM
Shogo with his 2nd hit today

NebraskaRed
05-16-2021, 04:53 PM
Shogo keeps going

DocRed
05-16-2021, 04:53 PM
Hoffman would be out of baseball by now if it weren't for being drafted so high. Just under a 5.00 ERA in the Minors and 6+ in the Majors since college. Potential gets you nothing in they league except maybe an extended leash..

The Operator
05-16-2021, 04:53 PM
Shogo with an oppo single to lead off the 5th

KeefeCato
05-16-2021, 04:53 PM
I’m ok they aren’t gifted but when you aren’t gifted you are extra big on the fundamentals....but not the Reds for whatever reason.

I don't think many would be great. But shifting guys to different positions every game is not helping.

The Operator
05-16-2021, 04:54 PM
Lol @ strike 1 to Farmer

traderumor
05-16-2021, 04:54 PM
This team is so Lost Decadeesque. All the ingredients of the bad old days. Spotty, homer driven offense, no range fielders that boot the balls they do get to, reclamation project pitchers, no team speed, terrible fundamentals, dingleberry manager, front office with no clear plan.

Reds Fanatic
05-16-2021, 04:55 PM
Wild pitch moves Shogo to 2nd

NebraskaRed
05-16-2021, 04:55 PM
I'm only citing this number because a number of people kept using his batting average against him the other day, but Shogo is now hitting .263

Banshee
05-16-2021, 04:55 PM
Shogo's just what the reds need: a slap hitting left fielder w/ no arm or speed @10MM$/yr.

The Operator
05-16-2021, 04:55 PM
Wild pitch moves Shogo to 2nd

Puff
05-16-2021, 04:55 PM
Close enough for me.

RollyInRaleigh
05-16-2021, 04:56 PM
IMHO...it’s way past time to put somebody with a presence at the helm. Loads of bad baseball from Bell teams...


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mhs95_06
05-16-2021, 04:56 PM
Because 2 wrongs make a right?

Because Shogo's arm is so much weaker than Naquin. He had to play LF the other night and make Winker play RF for the same reason.

NebraskaRed
05-16-2021, 04:56 PM
Farmer really wanted to hit into a double play but that stupid wild pitch messed it up.

KeefeCato
05-16-2021, 04:56 PM
Shogo's just what the reds need: a slap hitting left fielder w/ no arm or speed @10MM$/yr.

To say Shogo has no speed is just silly. And he doesn't make 10 mil either.

The Operator
05-16-2021, 04:58 PM
That was fair!?!?

BluegrassRedleg
05-16-2021, 04:59 PM
Connor Joe morphs into Keith Hernandez for Reds series.

Tom Servo
05-16-2021, 04:59 PM
The one thing you want to do at Coors is elevate the ball, something the Reds seemingly do too much against every other team, yet in this series they cannot stop putting it on the ground.

NebraskaRed
05-16-2021, 04:59 PM
What value does Hoffman hold if he can't even eat up innings? He hasn't made it past the 4th in his last four starts.

Stray
05-16-2021, 05:00 PM
I do not understand the hate Shogo gets on here.

Reds Fanatic
05-16-2021, 05:00 PM
This is now 4 straight starts Hoffman has not made it past the 4th. How many more starts does the team need to see he is awful

The Operator
05-16-2021, 05:00 PM
Stanford Cardinal Alex Blandino HBP

- - - Updated - - -

Meep.

Reds getting mowed down by a Rockies starter yet again.

KeefeCato
05-16-2021, 05:01 PM
This is now 4 straight starts Hoffman has not made it past the 4th. How many more starts does the team need to see he is awful

Hopefully this was the last one.

- - - Updated - - -


What value does Hoffman hold if he can't even eat up innings? He hasn't made it past the 4th in his last four starts.

NONE.

onehand
05-16-2021, 05:02 PM
That was fair!?!?

DID NOT cross the base and was fielded in foul territory. Was that replay-eligible?

JaxRed
05-16-2021, 05:04 PM
Throw strikes Ryan

The Operator
05-16-2021, 05:04 PM
DID NOT cross the base and was fielded in foul territory. Was that replay-eligible?

That was my impression as well watching it live. Couldn’t believe they called it fair and that The Reds didn’t even think about challenging.

NebraskaRed
05-16-2021, 05:06 PM
I do not understand the hate Shogo gets on here.

He's slow, he has lost the use of both arms and one of his legs, and he's being paid 750 million a year.

BluegrassRedleg
05-16-2021, 05:08 PM
The one thing you want to do at Coors is elevate the ball, something the Reds seemingly do too much against every other team, yet in this series they cannot stop putting it on the ground.

You think it's a mental thing? They leave GABP and think they have to change their swings?

DocRed
05-16-2021, 05:08 PM
Brantley really knows baseball. I wish he would do more TV

BluegrassRedleg
05-16-2021, 05:09 PM
This guy up right now has 28 hits this season; 8 against the Reds.

DocRed
05-16-2021, 05:10 PM
Fuentes really flashing his DNA this series. Guy is gonna be real good soon

Ironman92
05-16-2021, 05:11 PM
I don't think many would be great. But shifting guys to different positions every game is not helping.

Agree but I’m alluding to Naquin being a MLB outfielder and not doing something that should be harped on at a young age for outfielders.....ESPECIALLY with his weak MLB arm.

Had Tyler Stephenson been the CF on that play.....I’d expect the same.

NebraskaRed
05-16-2021, 05:11 PM
Holy jesus

BluegrassRedleg
05-16-2021, 05:11 PM
This is a disgrace.

DocRed
05-16-2021, 05:12 PM
Wow just embarrassing. The Reds are the Bad New Bears of MLB fielding.

The Operator
05-16-2021, 05:12 PM
What in the absolute hell was that clown show?


Bad News Reds. WOW

Puff
05-16-2021, 05:12 PM
You have to be kidding me. I’ve seen a blind t-ball team do better.

757690
05-16-2021, 05:12 PM
So Bad News Reds or Keystone Reds?

NebraskaRed
05-16-2021, 05:12 PM
The second the Reds leave town, the Rockies are going right back to being a bad team. It's infuriating.

REDREAD
05-16-2021, 05:12 PM
Reds are just making fools out of themselves now..

Ironman92
05-16-2021, 05:12 PM
Guys....this is some of the laziest,most lackadaisical, untalented and poorly executed defense I can ever remember.

Completely embarrassing what’s on the field

Ironman92
05-16-2021, 05:13 PM
Reds are just making fools out of themselves now..

And also those of us continuing to watch

The Operator
05-16-2021, 05:13 PM
So Bad News Reds or Keystone Reds?

The Bad News Reds of Keystone


Inspired by Arte Moreno

DocRed
05-16-2021, 05:13 PM
Akiyama can't even throw it to 2nd without 1 hopping it :X

Jomama
05-16-2021, 05:14 PM
I'm not getting the Hoffman hate. He has a plus curve, 95 FB. I think he has potential.

He has a lifetime ERA of 6.17.

The Operator
05-16-2021, 05:14 PM
The Rockies have scored 4 runs because of little league fielding mistakes by The Reds.


Why is that year in year out The Reds just seem so woefully bad at the fundamental aspects of baseball?

Alabama Red
05-16-2021, 05:15 PM
This is just not a good team no matter how much they think they are.

The Operator
05-16-2021, 05:16 PM
Awesome. The Reds hating crowd who only drop by during meltdowns is here.

NebraskaRed
05-16-2021, 05:16 PM
Don't curse your baby by bringing them into this.

Kc61
05-16-2021, 05:16 PM
Guys....this is some of the laziest,most lackadaisical, untalented and poorly executed defense I can ever remember.

Completely embarrassing what’s on the field

Reds are going to need to re-tool this team to improve pitching and defense.

For now, they’ll win often at GABP, the offense is pretty good, so enjoy that.

The Operator
05-16-2021, 05:18 PM
The St. Louis Cardinals play defenders out of position all the time, including moving a 75-year-old Lance Berkman back to the outfield in 2011. The result? Championship level baseball.

The Reds, on the other hand? This is the result.


I hate baseball sometimes.

KeefeCato
05-16-2021, 05:18 PM
Rockies rotation are wishing the Reds came to town more often.

NebraskaRed
05-16-2021, 05:19 PM
How many times was Naquin going to swing at balls on the ground?

JaxRed
05-16-2021, 05:20 PM
That was a hideous at bat

NebraskaRed
05-16-2021, 05:20 PM
Reds need to get into that Rockies bullpen....

Reds go 1-2-3 on 6 pitches.

Ironman92
05-16-2021, 05:20 PM
Reds hitters continue to have no thought or idea about what pitcher and defense is trying to do.

See ball, hit ball...unga bunga

BluegrassRedleg
05-16-2021, 05:20 PM
No offense. No defense. No pitching. No baserunning. Other than that, we're good.

Tom Servo
05-16-2021, 05:20 PM
These Rockies starters are just too damn good!

JaxRed
05-16-2021, 05:20 PM
Two of the three hitters saw one pitch

WVRedsFan
05-16-2021, 05:20 PM
I don’t know why I thought this team would win 85 games. Reds have no pitching (of course I was counting on Castillo to be the stopper and acquiring a replacement for Bauer)—-maybe Antone—but outside of Winker and Cast plus a couple of others that will fall back to earth, there is poor hitting. I’m upset.

The Operator
05-16-2021, 05:21 PM
The Rockies are already busy writing up a proposal to only play The Reds from here on out, Harlem Globetrotters style.

The Reds, of course, will be The Washington Generals in this new business partnership.


https://i.gifer.com/3kOb.gif

TheBigLebowski
05-16-2021, 05:22 PM
This team is a complete embarrassment. This needs to be ripped apart and built from scratch. Immediately.

Jackasses.

traderumor
05-16-2021, 05:22 PM
He has a lifetime ERA of 6.17.

From Colorado, which makes his numbers inflated. Just eyeballing his stuff, he could be useful.

traderumor
05-16-2021, 05:25 PM
baseball is goofy, but I got nothing for why we have played so miserably against two dog teams like the Dbacks and Rockies. MLB can be so illogical in the day to day.

NebraskaRed
05-16-2021, 05:25 PM
Reds play well and win some series, Reds play horribly and lose some series. Circling near .500.

They gotta figure something out to go on a win streak and get above that.

Monster Man
05-16-2021, 05:26 PM
Or useless, his ERA tells the story.

757690
05-16-2021, 05:26 PM
Garrett getting back on track can be a game changer moving forward. They don’t have anyone who is reliable at the end of the pen.

NebraskaRed
05-16-2021, 05:28 PM
That was nice to see, at least.

The Operator
05-16-2021, 05:28 PM
Yea, if AG is back on track that’s at least one positive takeaway here.

NebraskaRed
05-16-2021, 05:29 PM
Garrett has given up 1 hit, 2 walks, no runs in his last 5 appearances.

KeefeCato
05-16-2021, 05:29 PM
Game is far from over need to string together a few baserunners.

BCubb2003
05-16-2021, 05:29 PM
Garrett should be suspended more often.

Ironman92
05-16-2021, 05:30 PM
Two of the three hitters saw one pitch

I think the one was actually the pitcher tossing the ball to the ump to get a new ball but we liked it and wailed at it