5-20-21 Reds vs Giants 12:35pm

[Ron Madden]

Reds
1. Jesse Winker (L) LF
2. Nick Castellanos (R) RF
3. Tyler Stephenson (R) C
4. Tyler Naquin (L) CF
5. Eugenio Suarez (R) 3B
6. Kyle Farmer (R) SS
7. Jonathan India (R) 2B
8. Alex Blandino (R) 1B
9. Tyler Mahle (R) P

Giants
1. Mike Yastrzemski (L) RF
2. Darin Ruf (R) 1B
3. Brandon Crawford (L) SS
4. Evan Longoria (R) 3B
5. Alex Dickerson (L) LF
6. Mauricio Dubon (R) 2B
7. Steven Duggar (L) CF
8. Curt Casali (R) C
9. Johnny Cueto (R) P

[Ron Madden]

Cincinnati Reds
@Reds
Rumor has it that Jesse Winker will be mic'd up for today's YouTube Game of the Week.

[cumberlandreds]

This is the YouTube Game of the Week. I think this is the only way to watch the game is via YT. It is black out free so anyone, anywhere can view it.

[NebraskaRed]

C. Trent Rosecrans
@ctrent

The Reds placed IF Mike Moustakas on the 10-day IL with a right heel contusion and recalled IF Max Schrock. Moustakas’ move is retroactive to Wednesday. Moustakas had pinch-hit and come in later for defense on Monday and Tuesday.

[Wonderful Monds]

Senzel also MIA yet again. What the hell is wrong with Coors that these dudes feet just started falling off there?

[Umkubas]

Reds
1. Jesse Winker (L) LF
2. Nick Castellanos (R) RF
3. Tyler Stephenson (R) C
4. Tyler Naquin (L) CF
5. Eugenio Suarez (R) 3B
6. Kyle Farmer (R) SS
7. Jonathan India (R) 2B
8. Alex Blandino (R) 1B
9. Tyler Mahle (R) P

Giants

Go Stanford Cardinal baseball

[CaiGuy]

Thinking of playing hooky and going down for the $10 ticket. Who wants to watch my email for me? ;)

[KeefeCato]

So is this game on regular you tube vs. you tube tv?

[Kc61]

Senzel also MIA yet again. What the hell is wrong with Coors that these dudes feet just started falling off there?

Senzel wasn’t running well, it’s not surprising that he’s out a few days. If he remains out in the weekend series coming up, I’d find that concerning.

Too bad Votto and Moose remain out against good RHP. Not enough LHH in there today against Cueto. I’d have played Barnhart at first base or tried to work in Schrock.

[KeefeCato]

Senzel wasn’t running well, it’s not surprising that he’s out a few days. If he remains out in the weekend series coming up, I’d find that concerning.

Too bad Votto and Moose remain out against good RHP. Not enough LHH in there today against Cueto. I’d have played Barnhart at first base or tried to work in Schrock.

I would just like to see them use both Tyler and Tucker everyday till Moose returns.

[757690]

So is this game on regular you tube vs. you tube tv?

Regular YouTube, but if you have YouTube TV, you’ll be able to watch it there too.

[jhc2010]

Live stream of today's game: http://youtube.com/watch?v=-8rcsRjEvCU

[CaiGuy]

I am not sure if I am helping avoid the sweep or causing a sweep by attending. But I am on the streetcar heading down, so we shall find out.

[757690]

Danny Graves is part of the broadcasting team for the YouTube broadcast

[TexasRedsFan]

Too bad Votto and Moose remain out against good RHP. Not enough LHH in there today against Cueto. I’d have played Barnhart at first base or tried to work in Schrock.

Agreed that Barnhart should be in there to add another lefty. Cueto is going to carve up this lineup without much effort, I'm afraid.

With Mahle going, maybe this'll be one of those they can win like 1-0 or 2-1.

[Moose Herd]

Agreed that Barnhart should be in there to add another lefty. Cueto is going to carve up this lineup without much effort, I'm afraid.

Day game after a night game. Catchers need their rest. It's a long season.

[BCubb2003]

I am not sure if I am helping avoid the sweep or causing a sweep by attending. But I am on the streetcar heading down, so we shall find out.

This post sounds like it’s from 1889. Good luck to you, sir.

[TexasRedsFan]

Day game after a night game. Catchers need their rest. It's a long season.

I'd tell him he'll get extra rest when Moose or Votto is back. They need his bat in there. Not Alex freakin Blandino.

[Boston Red]

This is a frustrating first inning for Mahle.

[Boston Red]

25 pitches to 4 batters and down 1.

[VR]

This is a frustrating first inning for Mahle.

Mahle is Scottish for "4 and 2/3 innings"

[Boston Red]

Mahle is Scottish for "4 and 2/3 innings"

If that is 0 or 1 run, okay. But it sure doesn't leave much margin for error.

[NebraskaRed]

Catching up on the game thread comments. Apparently, the Reds lost this one already. See ya'll tomorrow!

[CrosleyVet]

This is the YouTube Game of the Week. I think this is the only way to watch the game is via YT. It is black out free so anyone, anywhere can view it.


why are mlb.com games blacked out but not You Tube?

[NebraskaRed]

Walkin' Winker.

[Boston Red]

Good, we're going to make Cueto work, too.

[Boston Red]

Nice start on the offense side.

[Moose Herd]

why are mlb.com games blacked out but not You Tube?

The YouTube game is a "Game of the Week" special. Free for everyone.

[Boston Red]

Graves notes that Cueto is not as young as he was in 2008.

[BCubb2003]

why are mlb.com games blacked out but not You Tube?

It seems like the blackout rules are mostly to protect whoever has the rights to broadcast the game, and nobody else, regionally or locally, is broadcasting this one.

[757690]

why are mlb.com games blacked out but not You Tube?

Same reason why ESPN and Fox Sports 1 games aren’t blacked out. They pay for the right to make them available to everyone.

[Boston Red]

Not great Tyler.

[NebraskaRed]

Reds hit into their billionth double play of the year.

[757690]

A clutch hit still ties the game.

[Moose Herd]

I still love Johnny Cueto.

[NebraskaRed]

More missed opportunities.

[Boston Red]

I still love Johnny Cueto.

I'll like him again in about 90 minutes.

[mhs95_06]

If Winkler takes 3rd on that ball that got away, at least it would be tied. His early season speed and aggressiveness has waned.

[Puff]

Feels like the Reds didn’t hit into too many DPs earlier in the year. Now it feels like they do 3-4 times per game.

[Moose Herd]

If Winkler takes 3rd on that ball that got away, at least it would be tied. His early season speed and aggressiveness has waned.

He would have been out by about 20 feet. The ball didn't get away very far.

[Boston Red]

He would have been out by about 20 feet. The ball didn't get away very far.

He could have made it if he'd have anticipated better and got a good jump. But it would have been REALLY good baserunning. Can't really fault him.

[NebraskaRed]

Good inning for Mahle.

[REDREAD]

These highlights of other games confused me. I went to youtube, saw a Red taking Wisler deep and thought Cueto was already out of the game :(

[CaiGuy]

Inning 1 is not my fault, I wasn't inside yet

[NebraskaRed]

2 outs in 3 pitches for Cueto who struggled with command in the first inning.

[REDREAD]

Inning 1 is not my fault, I wasn't inside yet

I think JFLegal is at the game too.. we will blame inning 1 on him :)

[REDREAD]

India gets picked off :( to end the inning..

[NebraskaRed]

The 2021 Reds are World Champions at getting people on base and then doing nothing.

[RedTeamGo!]

This offense is brutal with half the starters hurt “lol”

[mhs95_06]

The 2021 Reds are World Champions at getting people on base and then doing nothing.

They used all their chits before the 7 game losing streak!

[Boston Red]

Need a double play ball here in the worst way.

[REDREAD]

For those that want some kind of PbP.. Giants get a walk, 2 singles, 2-0 Giants.

[NebraskaRed]

Walk-single-RBI single to start off second time through the order.

[757690]

I’ve always hated these in game interviews. It detracts from the game. Other networks now do these inbetween innings and show them at the appropriate time.

[RedTeamGo!]

For those that want some kind of PbP.. Giants get a walk, 2 singles, 2-0 Giants.

Nah, no need

[REDREAD]

Nah, no need

Well, I would have appreciated it in the first inning..

[KeefeCato]

I still love Johnny Cueto.

Last year of his contract. Wonder where he ends up next year?

[Boston Red]

Mahle is not good today.

[NebraskaRed]

Walk-single-single-walk

We've come full circle.

Then a single.

[KeefeCato]

Well 3 runs seems like far to much for this lineup to overcome.

[TheBigLebowski]

Make it stop. Please.

[NebraskaRed]

Walk-single-single-walk

We've come full circle.

Then a single.

I bet a walk is next.

[Phoenix2]

Wow the Giants sure seem to own the Reds in Cincy.

[REDREAD]

Mahle all over the place. But at these point, Bell kind of has to leave him in and hope for the best

[NebraskaRed]

I bet a walk is next.

Darn, a single.

So, Walk-single-single-walk-single-single.

[TheBigLebowski]

We could really use Matt Davidson about now.

[NebraskaRed]

And Mahle is out of the game.

[REDREAD]

So here's Feliz's big chance to show that he's a high leverage guy :)

[CaiGuy]

Contact, bat around baseball is not fun win the other team does it.

[TexasRedsFan]

Gonna be another early day for the bullpen. I've felt like Mahle was due to regress a little.

[KeefeCato]

Being swept at home 4 games against any team sucks. Looks like another day where Antone sits and wastes away in the pen.

[NebraskaRed]

Reds need to do something soon before they've dug a hole that they can't get out of.

[KeefeCato]

Oh 4 game losing streak and Hoffman tomorrow. Look for Schrock or Payton to be sent down for a another arm tomorrow.

[NebraskaRed]

Oh 4 game losing streak and Hoffman tomorrow. Look for Schrock or Payton to be sent down for a another arm tomorrow.

Hopefully Payton.

[RedTeamGo!]

This reds team is bad, man

[Mitri]

Being swept at home 4 games against any team sucks. Looks like another day where Antone sits and wastes away in the pen.

I bet Bell is so glad he saved Tejay for today’s game.

[NebraskaRed]

Did the cameraperson just have a stroke?

- - - Updated - - -

YIKES

[TheBigLebowski]

LOL

[Puff]

I like YouTube’s graphics.

[REDREAD]

Duggar hits a Grad slam, 8-0 Giants..

[NebraskaRed]

Is being down 8-0 in the third inning after losing the first 3 games bad?

[TexasRedsFan]

Gulp. Ballgame.

[The Operator]

Wow

[RedTeamGo!]

Bahahahahahaha

[NebraskaRed]

Gulp. Ballgame.

Usually I don't like when people say that early in the game, but yeah, it's over.

[Puff]

Warm up Blandino.

[Smjjaz]

Gulp. Ballgame.

Gulp. Season.

[RedTeamGo!]

Time to fire sale? This team isn’t going anywhere in June, let’s be honest with ourselves.

[KeefeCato]

You tube just lost half of it viewers. Doubt there was many to begin with.

[757690]

I’m glad it’s a blow out early so I can bow out. I hate this Youtube broadcast. It’s unwatchable. It’s like watching a local high school broadcast of their baseball games.

[KeefeCato]

I’m glad it’s a blow out early so I can bow out. I hate this Youtube broadcast. It’s unwatchable. It’s like watching a local high school broadcast of their baseball games.

Doubt the Reds will ever be picked to be on again after todays performance.

[757690]

Time to fire sale? This team isn’t going anywhere in June, let’s be honest with ourselves.

I was accused of making a hot take the other day for saying something rather benign. Can I use this as an example of an actual hot take ;)

[texasdave]

Mahle's ERA goes up in flames to 4.20. Smoke'em if you got'em

[NebraskaRed]

Too many injuries, too many uncertainties in the rotation, and this is what happens.

If they don't do anything, then yes, there are not going anywhere this season. I'm not ready to give up yet, though.

[757690]

Doubt the Reds will ever be picked to be on again after todays performance.


God I hope this is true.

[REDREAD]

I was accused of making a hot take the other day for saying something rather benign. Can I use this as an example of an actual hot take ;)

It's probably going to take until the end of June for it to be socially acceptable on RZ to criticize the team.

[757690]

It may be a coincidence, but the Reds big loosing streaks this year have been when Moose has been injured.

[KeefeCato]

Cueto got the RBI single to win the game for his 20th win. So I would say he doesn't just wanna go sit down when batting in a close game.

[The Operator]

I love Johnny Cueto but I don’t seem to recall this “Ice in the veins” narrative the broadcast guys are floating.

I remember him getting so rattled in Toronto that The Royals decided they couldn’t start him on the road during the World Series. Not to mention the Pirates crowd giving him all kinds of trouble in 2013.


Still love the guy though.

[TexasRedsFan]

Really gotten thrashed by West teams and haven't even played (arguably) the best one yet. Somehow we won a series off the Dodgers though.

[CaiGuy]

Time for mop-up crew, guys. I am present and well-rested.

[REDREAD]

So Feliz is only able to get 2 outs before he gets yanked.. Yea, this is going to be a hard day on the pen.
Not what you want to happen, because I think Milwaukee is next. That's a pretty important series if the Reds want to stay relevant in the NL Central Race.

[NebraskaRed]

Let each position player pitch an inning each.

Even though that wouldn't allow me to achieve my dream of seeing Votto pitch.

[TheBigLebowski]

In this 4 game series, Reds have:

Allowed 22 runs in 30 innings (and counting)
Scored 5 runs in 30 innings and currently nursing a 13 inning scoreless streak
Lost the first 3 games and doing exactly what is needed to lose the 4th without drama or pretense
Caused some fans to throw jars of peanut butter in a lake
Will drop to 4 games below .500
Reminded us baseball is hard, but much harder for the Reds than most

[BCubb2003]

Why do the Giants get to use different baseballs?

[REDREAD]

Really gotten thrashed by West teams and haven't even played (arguably) the best one yet. Somehow we won a series off the Dodgers though.

The weak NL Central made the Reds appear better than they actually are/were, both this year and last year.

[membengal]

Starting to think we might not win this one.

[The Operator]

Lol wow

[NebraskaRed]

Put Danny Graves in the game already.

[REDREAD]

Ok, now it's a laugher 10-0 Giants, STILL in the 3rd :lol:

[TexasRedsFan]

Getting beat by three of our ex starters in a row makes this sting even more.

[KeefeCato]

Hendrix 8 walks in 9 innings. Should not be in the majors. Neither should Fulmer, Hoffman.

[Boston Red]

Aaron Boone was talking the other day about implementing a mercy rule in MLB. He might have been on to something.

[NebraskaRed]

Here are the changes that I would make:

Jim Day at SS
Sadak at 1B
Cowboy is gonna pitch
bring Thom back in and have him catch
Gapper in left
Rosie in right
Shogo in center
Lou Piniella at 2B
Logan Ondrusek at 3B

[WildcatFan]

Bloop and a bloop and a bloop and a bloop and a bloop and a bloop and a bloop and a bloop and a bloop and a blast and we're right back in this thing.

[RedTeamGo!]

I was accused of making a hot take the other day for saying something rather benign. Can I use this as an example of an actual hot take ;)

Yeah, I don’t care about anything anymore

[TheBigLebowski]

I was accused of making a hot take the other day for saying something rather benign. Can I use this as an example of an actual hot take ;)

He’s one of the chosen few who are allowed to show frustration or express negative opinion.

The rest of us must post vicariously through them. For they are The Chosen.

[The Operator]

This broadcast is awful lol

[KeefeCato]

Will the Reds hit a couple of meaningless HRs now?

[RedTeamGo!]

It's probably going to take until the end of June for it to be socially acceptable on RZ to criticize the team.

This team has been getting blasted by the majority of RZ for at least a month now.

[KeefeCato]

This broadcast is awful lol

I guess this game was made for this Mickey Mouse broadcast.

[klw]

It is never a good sign when the opponent has had more guys score than you have had go to the plate and it is no longer the first inning.

[NatiRedGals]

This team has been getting blasted by the majority of RZ for at least a month now.

True here's my daily pop in is zinter or bell fired yet?

[TexasRedsFan]

Here are the changes that I would make:

Jim Day at SS
Sadak at 1B
Cowboy is gonna pitch
bring Thom back in and have him catch
Gapper in left
Rosie in right
Shogo in center
Lou Piniella at 2B
Logan Ondrusek at 3B

You must really hate Shogo. :laugh:

[RedTeamGo!]

He’s one of the chosen few who are allowed to show frustration or express negative opinion.

The rest of us must post vicariously through them. For they are The Chosen.

Lol wut

[BCubb2003]

The Reds are two blasts and two slam ranges away.

[klw]

Q- Should the Reds put Antone in to let him finish the game and stretch him out or just blow the whole pen today?

[WildcatFan]

bloop

[KeefeCato]

They don't have much of a shot of winning the division if fully healthy. They got zero shot of winning with the likes of Blandino as your 1B men. And I could care less about Stanford or there Cardinal baseball team.

[REDREAD]

Go Standford Cardinal baseball

[klw]

Amazing at bat for Blandino results in a double after 11 pitches. Very nicely done.

[REDREAD]

This team has been getting blasted by the majority of RZ for at least a month now.

Some people are starting to realize that this team is no longer a contender, but that's more recent than a month ago.
Is it ok to say Shogo stinks now? Since you are in charge of what can be criticized .

[Coopdaddy67]

I stepped away when it was 1-0. Not great.

[Moose Herd]

Some people are starting to realize that this team is no longer a contender, but that's more recent than a month ago.
Is it ok to say Shogo stinks now? Since you are in charge of what can be criticized .

I don't think you have a problem posting your opinions.

[NebraskaRed]

17273

Not sure what everyone is freaking out about, it's a tie game, 0-0

[Strikes Out Looking]

I can't stop checking in on the game - then I see the results and I turn it off. I'm really angry at this team, management and coaching right now. I'll come back, like I always do, but this is shameful. Everyone has injuries, that doesn't mean wave the white flag.

[WildcatFan]

bloop

[WildcatFan]

Bloop

[REDREAD]

Sadek would be giving his "The Reds are known for comebacks" speech about now...

[NebraskaRed]

See, this is exciting! Tie game, 1-1

17274

[BUTLER REDSFAN]

Since this game is totally out of hand I think it's time that we all just ask bizarre baseball questions that you ord'narily wouldn't ask

[TheBigLebowski]

Some people are starting to realize that this team is no longer a contender, but that's more recent than a month ago.
Is it ok to say Shogo stinks now? Since you are in charge of what can be criticized .

You’re catching on. There’s a lot of nuance embedded in the large, smelly pile of contradiction upon which the decorum of these threads rests.

[BUTLER REDSFAN]

I will start 1st do you ever wonder what a player does when they have to go to the bathroom real bad and the other team is scoring 10 runs an inning

[The Operator]

I will start 1st do you ever wonder what a player does when they have to go to the bathroom real bad and the other team is scoring 10 runs an inning

MLB Diapers

[Flyer Guy]

Who is the Reds Stopper?

[Rojo Rijo]

I will start 1st do you ever wonder what a player does when they have to go to the bathroom real bad and the other team is scoring 10 runs an inning

Well the team is figuratively crapping itself already might as well do it literally too

[BUTLER REDSFAN]

Next question are you ever watching a game But you keep checking out all the hotties in the 1st Row that I see at every game

[KeefeCato]

I bet Castellanos is counting the days till he can leave. How many more years is Winker under contract? 1?

[RedTeamGo!]

Some people are starting to realize that this team is no longer a contender, but that's more recent than a month ago.
Is it ok to say Shogo stinks now? Since you are in charge of what can be criticized .

Not sure where that last bit is coming from, but whatever, go off.

[WildcatFan]

I bet Castellanos is counting the days till he can leave. How many more years is Winker under contract? 1?

Two more arbitration years.

[RedTeamGo!]

Removed my personal insult to Lebowski. I’m frustrated and having a bad week personally, doesn’t excuse personal insults, though. My apologies.

[NebraskaRed]

NM

[The Operator]

Next question are you ever watching a game But you keep checking out all the hotties in the 1st Row that I see at every game

I think we’ve all been guilty of that lol

[Moose Herd]

I'm really happy that those of you that want to be miserable *******s can finally be miserable *******s without being called out about it. Congrats on getting to be right about the Reds being a ****ty team. Now what?

[NebraskaRed]

I never understand the "guess we're not allowed to criticize the team" thing.

Are your posts being deleted? Are you banned?

Just because someone disagrees with you doesn't mean you're not allowed to say what you want.

[SomeCallMeTim]

Since this game is totally out of hand I think it's time that we all just ask bizarre baseball questions that you ord'narily wouldn't ask

I’m asking why my dad took me to Cincinnati first as a kid instead of St. Louis.

I kid, I kid....

[Alabama Red]

Been on a plane and just saw the score. This team is toast. The focus now needs to be on getting players healthy to trade them. There is no path to winning with this group of players so tear it down.

[REDREAD]

I wonder if this will be the longest game of the year? 2 hours in, only the 4th inning.

[NebraskaRed]

Been on a plane and just saw the score. This team is toast. The focus now needs to be on getting players healthy to trade them. There is no path to winning with this group of players so tear it down.

Honest question: if they were winning right now, would you think the team is toast and they should tear it down?

If not, at what point this season did you decide that the team is toast?

[REDREAD]

I bet Castellanos is counting the days till he can leave. How many more years is Winker under contract? 1?

Winker is not a FA until 2024 according to baseball reference. I think that means after the 2024 season, not sure.
The thing is, if Winker keeps hitting like this, he's going to get a huge payday in arb, which will either hasten his way out, or the Reds will
get rid of other players to fit him in the budget.
That, and Cast's opt out , is why I was so disappointed the Reds punted this season. They had a lot of good pieces in place. They just needed some more pitching, and an at least replacement level SS that could field. IMO.

[CaiGuy]

Been on a plane and just saw the score. This team is toast. The focus now needs to be on getting players healthy to trade them. There is no path to winning with this group of players so tear it down.

Nah tear downs are lame and not entertaining. Add talent without trading the really good prospects and try to be as competitive as possible.

I never understood fans calling to dump whatever good players you have.

[gagliano]

He’s one of the chosen few who are allowed to show frustration or express negative opinion.

The rest of us must post vicariously through them. For they are The Chosen.

EXACTLY

[WildcatFan]

Been on a plane and just saw the score. This team is toast. The focus now needs to be on getting players healthy to trade them. There is no path to winning with this group of players so tear it down.

Oh man that'd be so fun.

[RedTeamGo!]

Winker is not a FA until 2024 according to baseball reference. I think that means after the 2024 season, not sure.
The thing is, if Winker keeps hitting like this, he's going to get a huge payday in arb, which will either hasten his way out, or the Reds will
get rid of other players to fit him in the budget.
That, and Cast's opt out , is why I was so disappointed the Reds punted this season. They had a lot of good pieces in place. They just needed some more pitching, and an at least replacement level SS that could field. IMO.

I believe it means after 2023 season. I may be wrong though.

[REDREAD]

I'm really happy that those of you that want to be miserable *******s can finally be miserable *******s without being called out about it. Congrats on getting to be right about the Reds being a ****ty team. Now what?

We all want the Reds to win.
Some of us (I don't want to guess the percentage) knew this team was not a contender before the season even started.
A lot of the board was in denial, and thought the Reds were contenders.. which is fine, that's what being a fan is all about.
I am sure that if the Reds were in first place, the pessemists would be more happy than they are now.
You just joined this forum, some of us have been here 20 years.. We wouldn't be here that long if we weren't fans.

This game is so out of hand, might as well laugh about it.

[KeefeCato]

Winker is not a FA until 2024 according to baseball reference. I think that means after the 2024 season, not sure.
The thing is, if Winker keeps hitting like this, he's going to get a huge payday in arb, which will either hasten his way out, or the Reds will
get rid of other players to fit him in the budget.
That, and Cast's opt out , is why I was so disappointed the Reds punted this season. They had a lot of good pieces in place. They just needed some more pitching, and an at least replacement level SS that could field. IMO.

Yes they always seem to play the middle road. They never go all in or tear it down. The middle road does not work.

[RedTeamGo!]

We all want the Reds to win.
Some of us (I don't want to guess the percentage) knew this team was not a contender before the season even started.
A lot of the board was in denial, and thought the Reds were contenders.. which is fine, that's what being a fan is all about.
I am sure that if the Reds were in first place, the pessemists would be more happy than they are now.
You just joined this forum, some of us have been here 20 years.. We wouldn't be here that long if we weren't fans.

This game is so out of hand, might as well laugh about it.

There is literally a thread with a poll on how many games the Reds would win this year and the VAST majority of the board chose a number under .500. This is simply not true.

[forfreelin04]

Good time to fire David Bell after this hideous showing at home?

If I'm Bob C, I'm miffed. Not good timing going into a full capacity stadium soon.

[TexasRedsFan]

I'm really happy that those of you that want to be miserable *******s can finally be miserable *******s without being called out about it. Congrats on getting to be right about the Reds being a ****ty team. Now what?

Geez, lighten up. It's just a baseball team.

[REDREAD]

I believe it means after 2023 season. I may be wrong though.

Thanks.. I Am not sure either..
I am trying to figure it out..
Fan graphs says he has 3.080 years of service time.
3 years, 80 days
So that puts him over 4 years after this season.
2022 5 years
2023 6 years.
So you are probably right.
I didn't think Winker went to arb last year (maybe he did), that's what threw me.

[NebraskaRed]

Just put Carson Fulmer in and let him pitch until his arm literally falls off.

[Alabama Red]

Honest question: if they were winning right now, would you think the team is toast and they should tear it down?

If not, at what point this season did you decide that the team is toast?
I didn’t think we would make the playoffs to start the year so I didn’t have high hopes to begin with. The roster is going to fall apart over the next few years whether we win or not. Votto and Moose will continue to regress as they get older. Castellanos is probably going to opt out. Barnhart will move on to develop Stephenson. Shogo is here for another year to take up space. Castillo and and Mahle will be the only starters around and I assume Antone, Greene and Lodolo will make up the starters next year. That’s not a winning mix, not because of their talent but because they are young. The bullpen needs a completed makeover. We have a bunch of other 250 hitters with limited power penciled in as key pieces. Most of our prospect hitters are years away from being called up. I just don’t see a path to a World Series unless we are just hoping everyone will have a career year. We do have some pieces that are not a part of our long term plans that could be valuable at the deadline. I didn’t even mention Suarez so that’s another issue. I think this teams ceiling was making the playoffs with a made up postseason setup in the middle of a pandemic. I hope I’m wrong and we win it all.

[REDREAD]

Yes they always seem to play the middle road. They never go all in or tear it down. The middle road does not work.

The scary thing is, when they do tear it down, they don't do a good job of trading vets and drafting to build the team back up.
That's why I won't be upset if they stand pat at the trading deadline.. at least it will make this year fun.
I mean, even though this team has holes in it, it's a lot more entertaining than tanking.

If they don't add money to the team this winter, 2022 is going to be a worse team.

[The Operator]

This will end well I’m sure

[KeefeCato]

I would give this team a month to see how things go. If they are still below .500 by the end of June. They need to fire Bell and start working the phones and moving players. Get a young manager and grow with him. Stockpile as many prospects as possible.

[NebraskaRed]

I didn’t think we would make the playoffs to start the year so I didn’t have high hopes to begin with. The roster is going to fall apart over the next few years whether we win or not. Votto and Moose will continue to regress as they get older. Castellanos is probably going to opt out. Barnhart will move on to develop Stephenson. Shogo is here for another year to take up space. Castillo and and Mahle will be the only starters around and I assume Antone, Greene and Lodolo will make up the starters next year. That’s not a winning mix, not because of their talent but because they are young. The bullpen needs a completed makeover. We have a bunch of other 250 hitters with limited power penciled in as key pieces. Most of our prospect hitters are years away from being called up. I just don’t see a path to a World Series unless we are just hoping everyone will have a career year. We do have some pieces that are not a part of our long term plans that could be valuable at the deadline. I didn’t even mention Suarez so that’s another issue. I think this teams ceiling was making the playoffs with a made up postseason setup in the middle of a pandemic. I hope I’m wrong and we win it all.

You might 100% correct but that proves my point. You had made up your mind on day 1.

My problem is with people suddenly declaring that this game or that game has cemented the fact that the Reds aren't going anywhere this year. You had already decided that long before this game.

[REDREAD]

There is literally a thread with a poll on how many games the Reds would win this year and the VAST majority of the board chose a number under .500. This is simply not true.

Ok.. I said "a lot".. I did not imply to say majority.
If you want me to backtrack and say "Some of the board thought we were contenders...", I am ok with that.

[SomeCallMeTim]

I’d fire Bell tonight, or as soon as this game ends whichever comes first.

[NebraskaRed]

I’d fire Bell tonight, or as soon as this game ends whichever comes first.

Not sure this game will end before tomorrow's game is scheduled to start.

[CaiGuy]

I didn’t think we would make the playoffs to start the year so I didn’t have high hopes to begin with. The roster is going to fall apart over the next few years whether we win or not. Votto and Moose will continue to regress as they get older. Castellanos is probably going to opt out. Barnhart will move on to develop Stephenson. Shogo is here for another year to take up space. Castillo and and Mahle will be the only starters around and I assume Antone, Greene and Lodolo will make up the starters next year. That’s not a winning mix, not because of their talent but because they are young. The bullpen needs a completed makeover. We have a bunch of other 250 hitters with limited power penciled in as key pieces. Most of our prospect hitters are years away from being called up. I just don’t see a path to a World Series unless we are just hoping everyone will have a career year. We do have some pieces that are not a part of our long term plans that could be valuable at the deadline. I didn’t even mention Suarez so that’s another issue. I think this teams ceiling was making the playoffs with a made up postseason setup in the middle of a pandemic. I hope I’m wrong and we win it all.

Your premise isn't wrong, but I just think tanking is a lame trend in 21st century baseball.

Nobody trades elite prospects for rentals anymore, so I doubt trades net much. I don't have an issue with the team's spending like some, but I also don't care about saving their money.

Just take the decent core of players they have and add major league talent to it. They aren't devoid of talent. Tankings suck.

[Alabama Red]

You might 100% correct but that proves my point. You had made up your mind on day 1.

My problem is with people suddenly declaring that this game or that game has cemented the fact that the Reds aren't going anywhere this year. You had already decided that long before this game.
I understand your point but each week that passes it just becomes more evident in my opinion. I was just hoping that I was wrong.

[Tony Cloninger]

Aaron Boone was talking the other day about implementing a mercy rule in MLB. He might have been on to something.

Is Boone channeling Manfred on that? More little league BS. Games are hardly blowouts anymore with the lack of scoring.

[CaiGuy]

Welp, at least a 20-1 game means the same as a 1-0 game in the standings.

[REDREAD]

:lol: 14-1

[The Operator]

Brandon Crawford


14-1


I hate Brandon Crawford

[Tony Cloninger]

I understand your point but each week that passes it just becomes more evident in my opinion. I was just hoping that I was wrong.

Yea your mister look on the bright side of life guy. You’ve been Type A negative from day 1 other than telling us how the Braves are the best run organization.

[NebraskaRed]

I understand your point but each week that passes it just becomes more evident in my opinion. I was just hoping that I was wrong.

I'm trying to stay optimistic but that's getting harder and harder. They still have time to make some changes. I hope they do.

Calling up someone like Mark Payton certainly isn't the solution to any of this team's problems.

[Alabama Red]

Your premise isn't wrong, but I just think tanking is a lame trend in 21st century baseball.

Nobody trades elite prospects for rentals anymore, so I doubt trades net much. I don't have an issue with the team's spending like some, but I also don't care about saving their money.

Just take the decent core of players they have and add major league talent to it. They aren't devoid of talent. Rebuilds suck.
I just look at it like this. We’ve got three declining players who are in the middle of the order it we have some bright spots with young players and pitchers. We need to sign Winker to a long term deal and before the season I thought the same about Castillo. I love Castellanos and if he didn’t have the opt out my opinion would probably be different.

[klw]

After 33 pitches Hembree will be unusable for at least 2 games after this. I hope Shrock or Payton is on the mound in the 6th

[Alabama Red]

I'm trying to stay optimistic but that's getting harder and harder. They still have time to make some changes. I hope they do.

Calling up someone like Mark Payton certainly isn't the solution to any of this team's problems.
I’m hoping everyday they’ll turn it around and sometimes it’s frustrating and I make a post like I did. I like all of the players and hope they do well and win it all.

[RedTeamGo!]

This is wild. I don’t even know who should pitch. This was Romano’s gig.

[REDREAD]

After 33 pitches Hembree will be unusable for at least 2 games after this. I hope Shrock or Payton is on the mound in the 6th

Yea, we're probably going to see C. Perez (or someone like him) called up just to have a fresh arm tomorrow.

[CaiGuy]

You just look at it like this. We’ve got three declining players who are in the middle of the order it we have some bright spots with young players and pitchers. We need to sign Winker to a long term deal and before the season I thought the same about Castillo. I love Castellanos and if he didn’t have the opt out my opinion would probably be different.

I mean, I got you the first time, but tanking still sucks and I don't go for it.

They should, maybe, I dunno try to win?

[KeefeCato]

This is wild. I don’t even know who should pitch. This was Romano’s gig.

Position players probably rest of the way. why burn the pen?

[TexasRedsFan]

The front office shouldn't be surprised at where the team is. You get what you pay for. You don't spend for a true SS, a starter better than Jeff Hoffman and at least one lockdown bullpen arm, you're not likely to compete.

[REDREAD]

Come on Kapler, do you really need to challenge a HBP with this kind of lead? That's so cheesy, even if it's overturned.

[Bob Sheed]

14-1 ?!?!

So I guess unless we're playing the Pirates, we are the Pirates.

[NebraskaRed]

The front office shouldn't be surprised at where the team is. You get what you pay for. You don't spend for a true SS, a starter better than Jeff Hoffman and at least one lockdown bullpen arm, you're not likely to compete.

I mean, profits were down last year. Do you expects owners to do something crazy like make less money temporarily while making moves that will increase the chances of making more money later??

[BluegrassRedleg]

Gotta stick up for your player. If Blandino gets away with that and someone bloops a GABP Special for a 2-run HR, Cueto has what was a terrific outing turn into “meh.”


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[CaiGuy]

I mean, profits were down last year. Do you expects owners to do something crazy like make less money temporarily while making moves that will increase the chances of making more money later??

If I buy a hotdog, then can they get a SS?

[REDREAD]

Gotta stick up for your player. If Blandino gets away with that and someone bloops a GABP Special for a 2-run HR, Cueto has what was a terrific outing turn into “meh.”
k

I see your point, but it was still annoying.. I wish every little microstat didn't impact future contract money.

[KeefeCato]

Winker will probably end up being a Yankee at some point.

[REDREAD]

So youtube announcers speculating that Winker might be a hot guy that people want at the trade deadline.
Would you do it? If so, what would it take

[NebraskaRed]

Cast out, Payton in.

The comeback begins.

[Alabama Red]

Yea your mister look on the bright side of life guy. You’ve been Type A negative from day 1 other than telling us how the Braves are the best run organization.
I’ve never said a word on here about the Braves other than answering why I am not a Braves fan since I’m from Alabama. I don’t like the Braves and I’ve never said they were well run. There have been a few other people from Alabama here so you may be confusing me with someone else.

[M2]

Just a warning, but time agents will soon be deployed to make sure this game never happened.

[Kc61]

I'm trying to stay optimistic but that's getting harder and harder. They still have time to make some changes. I hope they do.

Calling up someone like Mark Payton certainly isn't the solution to any of this team's problems.

The solution is building a top flight pitching staff.

Whatever it takes.

[NebraskaRed]

Just leave Fulmer in until the 9th, then let California State University Fresno Bulldogs' own Blandino pitch

[Jomama]

Looks like the Reds really got unlucky today.

[RedTeamGo!]

So youtube announcers speculating that Winker might be a hot guy that people want at the trade deadline.
Would you do it? If so, what would it take

It would take something like a top 10 prospect, maybe top 5 prospect + 2-3 lotto tickets for me. Basically, untouchable.

[TexasRedsFan]

So youtube announcers speculating that Winker might be a hot guy that people want at the trade deadline.
Would you do it? If so, what would it take

No way unless you truly are tanking. Wink's the guy you build around.

But if they're out of it in July, you have to shop Castellanos. I'd hate to see him go, but teams who are one good hitter away might be willing to offer us something useful.

[BluegrassRedleg]

So youtube announcers speculating that Winker might be a hot guy that people want at the trade deadline.
Would you do it? If so, what would it take

At this point, I’d trade anyone and everyone to get a net gain. This team sucks profusely and is miles away from being competitive.


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[Alabama Red]

No way unless you truly are tanking. Wink's the guy you build around.

But if they're out of it in July, you have to consider trading Castellanos. I'd hate to see him go, but teams who are one good hitter away might be willing to offer us something useful.
No way I’d trade him.

[TheBigLebowski]

Anyone *could* be dealt, but I would have an awfully hard time letting go of Winker.

[RedTeamGo!]

It would take something like:

Royals get:

Winker

Reds get:

Bobby Witt Jr
Nick Pratto
Ronald Bolanos

Royals would say no.

[BluegrassRedleg]

The solution is building a top flight pitching staff.

Whatever it takes.

Basically what the Giants are doing. They’ve got the best record in the game with a bunch of ho-hum bats in the lineup who hit just enough HRs to make their great pitching hold up every day.


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[TheBigLebowski]

Just a warning, but time agents will soon be deployed to make sure this game never happened.

Please mark their arrival as urgent.

[The Operator]

Can we put a position player in to pitch and then let him give up a 3-0 grand slam to Posey?


I want to see if LaRussa would still be offended by it after we plunk Buster the next AB.

[Boston Red]

Is Boone channeling Manfred on that? More little league BS. Games are hardly blowouts anymore with the lack of scoring.

I thought it was silly, too......until the top of the second inning today.

[RedTeamGo!]

Looking at the top 30 reds prospect list. It’s a joke Siani is 5th over the likes of Hinds, Callihan, Richardson, and Santillan. An absolute joke.

[CaiGuy]

Can we put a position player in to pitch and then let him give up a 3-0 grand slam to Posey?


I want to see if LaRussa would still be offended by it after we plunk Buster the next AB.

Nah, Posey would do it the right way.

Or something

[SomeCallMeTim]

The front office shouldn't be surprised at where the team is. You get what you pay for. You don't spend for a true SS, a starter better than Jeff Hoffman and at least one lockdown bullpen arm, you're not likely to compete.

Those were all preseason needs, but the collective injuries and the performance of Castillo and Suarez (and Garrett early) have had far more negative impact on this team.

Can’t understand the hangup our 5th starter as the source of our problems when starter #2 has pitched like #2 and this offense gets 2-hit by the supposed 4/5 “scrubs” of other teams.

[Boston Red]

Speaking of prospects, is Lodolo coming soon?

[The Operator]

Nah, Posey would do it the right way.

Or something

I’m sure he’d take 3 strikes down the middle and tip his cap to the pitcher so as to not alienate him.

[Kc61]

Basically what the Giants are doing. They’ve got the best record in the game with a bunch of ho-hum bats in the lineup who hit just enough HRs to make their great pitching hold up every day.


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Just look at the 2020 Reds. Short season, yes, but team had a bad offense. Made extended playoffs with pitching. Didn’t even have a good defense, but pitching carried the team.

Reds team ERA is now about 5. Non-starter (pun intended).

[KeefeCato]

If your going to rebuild. Then Winker and everyone except your prospects should be up for trade.

[NebraskaRed]

Naquin wanted this game to go on even longer.

[Rojo Rijo]

Speaking of prospects, is Lodolo coming soon?

no, cause that might actually make sense.

[RedTeamGo!]

Speaking of prospects, is Lodolo coming soon?

Considering he’s like 25 innings into his pro career, I really hope they don’t rush him.

[KeefeCato]

no, cause that might actually make sense.

He would probably be shell shocked after pitching one game in this band box they play in.

[REDREAD]

Considering he’s like 25 innings into his pro career, I really hope they don’t rush him.

Yep, I hope the Reds don't rush him like they did with Lorezen, Reed, and Finnegan..

[Rojo Rijo]

It would take something like a top 10 prospect, maybe top 5 prospect + 2-3 lotto tickets for me. Basically, untouchable.

Unless its the Yankees, then anything more than a bucket of balls and a signed Scott Brosius picture would be an incredible overpay.

[NebraskaRed]

Welcome back to GABP, Casali! We're gonna bean you twice!

[Rojo Rijo]

He would probably be shell shocked after pitching one game in this band box they play in.

True, his best hope is probably being traded to a better org.

[NebraskaRed]

Sadak sitting at home, making references to Spiderman, Austin Powers, Teletubbies, talking to nobody.

[CaiGuy]

Pythag killer

[KeefeCato]

I think we maybe seeing the end of Fulmer being on the team. They should have just thrown Hoffman out there when Mahle was knocked out and said finish it.

[CaiGuy]

Moved to right field. Maybe I will get a HR ball out of this.

Note I didn't say Reds HR ball.

[NebraskaRed]

I think we maybe seeing the end of Fulmer being on the team. They should have just thrown Hoffman out there when Mahle was knocked out and said finish it.

This definitely looks like Fulmer's last appearance.

[The Operator]

I literally looked away for a few minutes and it’s 18-1 when I looked back.

My oh my this is awful

[NebraskaRed]

Giants better be careful. Reds just need 4 grand slams and they'll still be behind one run.

[Fil3232]

I’d rather lose 18-1 than 1-0!

[KeefeCato]

Looks like the Giants brought in there Jose DeLeon guy.

[membengal]

Every Red who has taken the mound today has given up at least one run?

That's kinda amazing.

[membengal]

Pythag killer

Qu'est-ce que c'est
Fa-fa-fa-fa-fa-fa-fa-fa-fa-far better
Run, run, run, run, run, run, run away oh, oh, oh

[NebraskaRed]

17277

Confirmed: Fulmer is the devil

[BUTLER REDSFAN]

Does anybody out there know that happy days was a spin off of love American style? I thought you should know that on this kind of day

[Puff]

Four grand slams and we would still be down. I’m not sure how I feel about that.

[Puff]

You beat me to it. Just thinking the same thing.

[0-2 Count]

I'm headed to GABP on Saturday. Picked a heck of a week to go see a game.