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Ron Madden
05-21-2021, 03:00 PM
Reds
1. Jesse Winker (L) LF
2. Nick Castellanos (R) RF
3. Tyler Stephenson (R) 1B
4. Tyler Naquin (L) CF
5. Eugenio Suarez (R) 3B
6. Tucker Barnhart (L) C
7. Kyle Farmer (R) SS
8. Jonathan India (R) 2B
9. Jeff Hoffman (R) P

Brewers
1. Kolten Wong (L) 2B
2. Lorenzo Cain (R) CF
3. Christian Yelich (L) LF
4. Omar Narvaez (L) C
5. Daniel Vogelbach (L) 1B
6. Travis Shaw (L) 3B
7. Jackie Bradley Jr. (L) RF
8. Luis Urias (R) SS
9. Adrian Houser (R) P

NebraskaRed
05-21-2021, 03:03 PM
Bell seemed confident that Senzel would be in the lineup today. I guess he was wrong.

klw
05-21-2021, 03:05 PM
Thoughts on the lineup:

If Hoffman stays in long enough to bat the lineup will feature:
3 guys in a row whose first name starts with a "J", 2 in a row call Tyler, a Barn followed by a Farmer, and perhaps a MLB record of 3 guys whose first name include "yle"



That is all, Carry on.


PS: Send down Shogo to get at bats and bring up Alf Rod.

NebraskaRed
05-21-2021, 03:12 PM
Well, there you go


Joe Danneman
@FOX19Joe
The #Reds today placed on the 10-day injured list Wade Miley (left foot sprain) and Nick Senzel (left knee inflammation).

DocRed
05-21-2021, 03:14 PM
I kinda feel bad for Akiyama

NebraskaRed
05-21-2021, 03:19 PM
Bell seemed confident that Senzel would be in the lineup today. I guess he was wrong.

This is what I was referring to


Bobby Nightengale
@nightengalejr
David Bell said he is very confident Nick Senzel will be back in the lineup tomorrow. #Reds

KeefeCato
05-21-2021, 03:36 PM
Reds
1. Jesse Winker (L) LF
2. Nick Castellanos (R) RF
3. Tyler Stephenson (R) 1B
4. Tyler Naquin (L) CF
5. Eugenio Suarez (R) 3B
6. Tucker Barnhart (L) C
7. Kyle Farmer (R) SS
8. Jonathan India (R) 2B
9. Jeff Hoffman (R) P

Brewers

That is about the best 8 they can put on the field right now. With guys out.

Kc61
05-21-2021, 04:00 PM
I kinda feel bad for Akiyama

DH removal was strike one for Shogo. Naquin hitting well was strike two.

Too bad, hard to see a spot opening for him near term.

NebraskaRed
05-21-2021, 04:11 PM
DH removal was strike one for Shogo. Naquin hitting well was strike two.

Too bad, hard to see a spot opening for him near term.


Agreed, which is why he needs to be in Louisville until they trade Naquin (which I think is coming sooner rather than later).

757690
05-21-2021, 04:17 PM
All the moves made today

17285

CaiGuy
05-21-2021, 04:21 PM
I actually think Hoffman is fine for a 5th stater, he's been about league average overall. Hope he can hang in there tonight .

The problem is most of the rest of the rotation underperforming.

NebraskaRed
05-21-2021, 04:27 PM
Brewers will be without 2 of their relievers


Jeff Passan
@JeffPassan

Right-hander Trevor Richards is going along with shortstop Willy Adames to the Brewers in exchange for relievers Drew Rasmussen and J.P. Feyereisen, sources tell ESPN. That's the full trade.

REDREAD
05-21-2021, 04:47 PM
Fulmer got DFAed.. YAY
:jump:

mth123
05-21-2021, 04:47 PM
Wow Adames didn't bring much back. If the reds had just held onto their pitching depth instead of giving it away, they may have been able to make a deal for Adames.

Ron Madden
05-21-2021, 05:02 PM
C. Trent Rosecrans@ ctrent

Goudeau will be in the Reds bullpen and the team will likely use someone else in Wade Miley's spot in the rotation, David Bell said. It'll likely be one of the three of José De León, Vladimir Gutiérrez or Tony Santillan, all of whom are on the 40-man roster.

NebraskaRed
05-21-2021, 05:09 PM
Todd Rosiak
@Todd_Rosiak

Stearns says neither Adames nor Richards will be able to make it to Cincinnati in time for tonight's game.

Reds need to knock that starter out as early as possible in order to get to that depleted bullpen.

Ron Madden
05-21-2021, 05:22 PM
Reds need to knock that starter out as early as possible in order to get to that depleted bullpen.

Adrian Houser is a pretty good hitting pitcher, if he's pitching half way decent they'll probably leave him in as long as possible, so they can get to Hader or Williams

DocRed
05-21-2021, 05:28 PM
Watch Urias hit 3 HR's tonight now

DocRed
05-21-2021, 05:29 PM
Wow Adames didn't bring much back. If the reds had just held onto their pitching depth instead of giving it away, they may have been able to make a deal for Adames.

That would actually require some effort and brainpower from the front office.

Kc61
05-21-2021, 05:39 PM
I actually think Hoffman is fine for a 5th stater, he's been about league average overall. Hope he can hang in there tonight .

The problem is most of the rest of the rotation underperforming.

I’m not as comfortable with Hoffman in the rotation.

Hoffman’s got a below average K rate, a high BB rate, and a low GB rate. His ERA is 4.67 but his expected ERA (xERA) is 5.71. His HR/9 is ok so far, just over 1, but lifetime it’s 1.70.

Hope he proves me wrong and pitches great tonight.

KeefeCato
05-21-2021, 05:58 PM
One positive for tonight. The game is not on You Tube.

CrosleyVet
05-21-2021, 06:36 PM
This is probably the most pathetic lineup the Reds have ever had. after 1 and 2 its 7 straightouts.

Rantly
05-21-2021, 07:06 PM
I actually think Hoffman is fine for a 5th stater, he's been about league average overall. Hope he can hang in there tonight .

The problem is most of the rest of the rotation underperforming.

Yea his year long stats are league average since he started out so well but his last 4 or so starts resemble the back of his baseball card which is very concerning.

NebraskaRed
05-21-2021, 07:08 PM
I didn't realize Sadak was getting two days off in a row.

I bet he's at home learning some new pop culture references.

Maldez
05-21-2021, 07:09 PM
This is probably the most pathetic lineup the Reds have ever had. after 1 and 2 its 7 straightouts.

Nah...the 2 Tylers swing pretty good bats, Suarez is coming on as is Farmer, and Barnhart's hitting around .300.

WrongVerb
05-21-2021, 07:10 PM
This is probably the most pathetic lineup the Reds have ever had. after 1 and 2 its 7 straightouts.

I still vote for the 1983 lineup that had Kelly Paris playing 1b and leading off...

https://www.baseball-reference.com/boxes/ATL/ATL198307040.shtml

Phoenix2
05-21-2021, 07:10 PM
I predict a better game than yesterday.

Rantly
05-21-2021, 07:12 PM
I still vote for the 1983 lineup that had Kelly Paris playing 1b and leading off...

https://www.baseball-reference.com/boxes/ATL/ATL198307040.shtml

Anything in 82-83 was the worst ever except poor Mario Soto.

Tom Servo
05-21-2021, 07:16 PM
Fairly easy first for Hoffman.

NebraskaRed
05-21-2021, 07:16 PM
Good inning for the Hoff

Tom Servo
05-21-2021, 07:19 PM
"This team can hit, this team can score, that has not been their problem."

au contraire, mon frère

NebraskaRed
05-21-2021, 07:24 PM
Good to see Votto there

Tom Servo
05-21-2021, 07:26 PM
Naquin! :jump:

3 run shot! Needed one of those for a while now.

NebraskaRed
05-21-2021, 07:26 PM
Naquin!

757690
05-21-2021, 07:26 PM
Short Term Memory Reds

Tom Servo
05-21-2021, 07:28 PM
Geno what you swinging at

RedTeamGo!
05-21-2021, 07:29 PM
Garbage offense!

wally post
05-21-2021, 07:33 PM
I'm going to enjoy the lead while it lasts (and hope it does)

Tom Servo
05-21-2021, 07:33 PM
you don't see many big boys like Vogelbach around anymore

NebraskaRed
05-21-2021, 07:35 PM
you don't see many big boys like Vogelbach around anymore

Just thinking about what comments Thom would be making about his body.

Tom Servo
05-21-2021, 07:40 PM
Hoffman got four outs to start the game and now he starts nibbling and walking guys.

Tony Cloninger
05-21-2021, 07:43 PM
Anything in 82-83 was the worst ever except poor Mario Soto.

I thought Gary Redus would be a very good hitter. He walked a lot. And he could run. Hit for power. He had a good 1983 except for BA. which as we all know is the primary thing you look for.

NebraskaRed
05-21-2021, 07:43 PM
Good lord, Hoff

Shatz1988
05-21-2021, 07:43 PM
It's almost painful to watch Hoffman pitch.

Tom Servo
05-21-2021, 07:44 PM
Getting hard to watch, Hoffman keeps getting ahead and then just lets the AB get away from him. Three straight batters now.

BluegrassRedleg
05-21-2021, 07:44 PM
This guy is so awful, it almost defies words.


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JaxRed
05-21-2021, 07:47 PM
Hoffman got four outs to start the game and now he starts nibbling and walking guys.

Along those lines I can't believe Godreau got called up. He walked like 5 or 6 guy last game.

Tom Servo
05-21-2021, 07:48 PM
Alright someone needs to be warming right now if they aren't already. He's all over the place.

BluegrassRedleg
05-21-2021, 07:48 PM
My old coach: “He’s got nuthin’ in his toolbox.”


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BluegrassRedleg
05-21-2021, 07:49 PM
44 pitches for 4 outs.


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Tom Servo
05-21-2021, 07:49 PM
jesus

NebraskaRed
05-21-2021, 07:49 PM
Come on

Shatz1988
05-21-2021, 07:50 PM
get this bum out of baseball ASAP

WVRedsFan
05-21-2021, 07:51 PM
There is no judgment in the games. Continuing to put Hoffman out there is insane

Tom Servo
05-21-2021, 07:51 PM
Hoffman's BB/9 is actually higher as a Red than in his career as a Rockie.

texasdave
05-21-2021, 07:51 PM
Houser has 2 homers already this year.

Dodged a bullet. LOL.

Tom Servo
05-21-2021, 07:52 PM
If he had just lobbed it over the plate to Vogelbach and Shaw the inning almost certainly would have worked out better than this mess he got into

NebraskaRed
05-21-2021, 07:53 PM
Yay..I guess?

texasdave
05-21-2021, 07:53 PM
Escaped relatively unscathed.

Red Raindog
05-21-2021, 07:54 PM
Hoffman is just painful to watch


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JaxRed
05-21-2021, 07:56 PM
Agreed, which is why he needs to be in Louisville until they trade Naquin (which I think is coming sooner rather than later).

I think there is very little chance of trading Naquin. We can't score runs and he is cheap and maybe our third best hitter.

NebraskaRed
05-21-2021, 07:57 PM
Just gotta get Houser to throw 40 or so pitches this inning.

Tony Cloninger
05-21-2021, 07:59 PM
Maybe some pitchers just need to pitch to contact. Their odds are better to get outs then by trying to strike them out.

JaxRed
05-21-2021, 08:00 PM
Fredericksburg up 1-0 in 3rd

NebraskaRed
05-21-2021, 08:02 PM
I think there is very little chance of trading Naquin. We can't score runs and he is cheap and maybe our third best hitter.

Depends on what they do for the next month or so. If things keep doing downhill, he'll be gone.

JaxRed
05-21-2021, 08:04 PM
Depends on what they do for the next month or so. If things keep doing downhill, he'll be gone.

No matter what happens, He'll be here

Tom Servo
05-21-2021, 08:05 PM
You get the feeling the lead isn't going to make it through this inning.

Red Raindog
05-21-2021, 08:05 PM
No matter what happens, hell be here

Well it feels like hell be here


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BCubb2003
05-21-2021, 08:06 PM
The Brewers look like they’re wearing Cub Scout uniforms.

NebraskaRed
05-21-2021, 08:07 PM
No matter what happens, He'll be here


https://youtu.be/1vBesOFURek

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Yelich should be forced to give back his MVP award for that AB

NebraskaRed
05-21-2021, 08:11 PM
Cain was on second with no outs and never made it home. That'll do.

Bob Sheed
05-21-2021, 08:11 PM
Well it feels like hell be here


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Tom Servo
05-21-2021, 08:14 PM
Da Winky! :jump:

Bob Sheed
05-21-2021, 08:15 PM
Winker just cost the Brewers another merit badge!

RedTeamGo!
05-21-2021, 08:17 PM
Wink me daddy

757690
05-21-2021, 08:17 PM
Winker’s statcast numbers says he’s been due for a slump for awhile. Still waiting…

Tom Servo
05-21-2021, 08:21 PM
Winker’s statcast numbers says he’s been due for a slump for awhile. Still waiting…
He slumped for like 2 games there and decided it's not his style

DocRed
05-21-2021, 08:22 PM
Jeff Hoffman is a disaster waiting to happen....good God get Antone or somebody up

KeefeCato
05-21-2021, 08:27 PM
Jeff Hoffman is a disaster waiting to happen....good God get Antone or somebody up

He doesn't have a put away pitch. So when he gets ahead in the count he nibbles. Which leads to walks.

BCubb2003
05-21-2021, 08:27 PM
The Milwaukee announcers are pleading with Hoffman to stop nibbling.

HammerTime
05-21-2021, 08:28 PM
That was the most stressful 4 innings of 1 run baseball I’ve ever seen.

coryfly
05-21-2021, 08:30 PM
Hoffman isn't really a great arm but he has battled and kept the Reds in the lead tonight.

KeefeCato
05-21-2021, 08:32 PM
Pujols wearing his age for his jersey number. 55

RedForLife
05-21-2021, 08:32 PM
I haven't been able to catch many games on TV so far this season because work has been nothing short of brutal but, getting home just in time to see Naquin's blast and then Winker's bomb makes it all worth it. Got beer! Got Beam! Go Reds!

Tom Servo
05-21-2021, 08:36 PM
https://i.imgur.com/IFwCGlo.jpg

NebraskaRed
05-21-2021, 08:39 PM
Getting Houser's pitch count up is important. They're short 2 people in their bullpen.

RedForLife
05-21-2021, 08:39 PM
Hoffman isn't really a great arm but he has battled and kept the Reds in the lead tonight.

He's had some tough outings but, he's also filled in quite well. He hasn't been terrible and that's the good part. Lodolo and Greene aren't far away. When they come up for good we're really gonna be a team to reckon with. Go Reds!

NebraskaRed
05-21-2021, 08:41 PM
Have we discussed the fact that India is wearing shorts?

RedForLife
05-21-2021, 08:43 PM
He slumped for like 2 games there and decided it's not his style

LMAO! He must've thought, "Slump... nah, not for me."

RedForLife
05-21-2021, 08:44 PM
Have we discussed the fact that India is wearing shorts?

Trend setter. It's OK when Reds players break new ground.

NebraskaRed
05-21-2021, 08:49 PM
Wong looked bad there.

Wonderful Monds
05-21-2021, 08:51 PM
Dear god the FS1 broadcast looks so much better than Bally.


Never thought I’d say this in my life but.......I....miss Fox?

Bob Sheed
05-21-2021, 08:52 PM
https://media.giphy.com/media/LPgzFFR2Itfa0/giphy.gif

NebraskaRed
05-21-2021, 08:54 PM
Good work by Hoffman. Didn't think he'd make it this far into the game

RedForLife
05-21-2021, 08:54 PM
Jeff (not Trevor) Hoffman delivered a great inning there, didn't he!

Stray
05-21-2021, 08:54 PM
Good job by Hoffman. He found a way.

757690
05-21-2021, 08:55 PM
Hoffman makes Yelich look bad.

NebraskaRed
05-21-2021, 08:55 PM
Hoffman makes Yelich look bad.

There's no way that Yelich's back is ok.

Tom Servo
05-21-2021, 08:55 PM
Who would have guessed Hoff would throw 3 scoreless after that slog of a second inning

klw
05-21-2021, 08:55 PM
https://media.giphy.com/media/LPgzFFR2Itfa0/giphy.gif


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JOCtdw9FG-s

Great recovery by Hoffman to K Yelich and get through 5. Please go Antone now.

Stray
05-21-2021, 08:57 PM
Goodness Winker owns this guy

NebraskaRed
05-21-2021, 08:57 PM
Da Wink!

Tom Servo
05-21-2021, 08:57 PM
Da Winky! Again! :jump:

Wonderful Monds
05-21-2021, 08:57 PM
Da Wink!!!!!

RedForLife
05-21-2021, 08:57 PM
WINKER!!! Slump? What slump!

BluegrassRedleg
05-21-2021, 08:58 PM
Jesse is good at baseball.


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klw
05-21-2021, 08:58 PM
So I like to think of my self as a good person and a man of faith, I may never sit in this chair again, and there is a drive by Winker to make it a 5-1 ball game.

NebraskaRed
05-21-2021, 08:59 PM
So I like to think of my self as a good person and a man of faith, I may never sit in this chair again, and there is a drive by Winker to make it a 5-1 ball game.

It might never stop being funny to me.

RedForLife
05-21-2021, 09:00 PM
There's no way that Yelich's back is ok.

And that's a bad thing? Let's take advantage of it. Go Reds!

Tom Servo
05-21-2021, 09:01 PM
Opportunity to pull away for good in this inning

TexasRedsFan
05-21-2021, 09:01 PM
When should the Reds offer Wink a long term deal? I say tomorrow.

NebraskaRed
05-21-2021, 09:01 PM
And to their bullpen we go.

RedForLife
05-21-2021, 09:01 PM
Jesse is good at baseball.


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Tonight is a great example!

klw
05-21-2021, 09:01 PM
I think that is all for Doogie tonight.

RedForLife
05-21-2021, 09:02 PM
When should the Reds offer Wink a long term deal? I say tomorrow.

Yesterday.

Rantly
05-21-2021, 09:02 PM
I thought Gary Redus would be a very good hitter. He walked a lot. And he could run. Hit for power. He had a good 1983 except for BA. which as we all know is the primary thing you look for.

I agree with you. Just didn’t pan out for whatever the reason.

RedForLife
05-21-2021, 09:03 PM
Opportunity to pull away for good in this inning

Yup. We're due for a 15-1 game... in our favor!

klw
05-21-2021, 09:04 PM
I agree with you. Just didn’t pan out for whatever the reason.

Redus was in the bigs for 13 seasons and had a career OPS+ of 107. I think he panned out pretty well, just couldn't his Billings video game numbers.

RedForLife
05-21-2021, 09:05 PM
Yes!

Maldez
05-21-2021, 09:06 PM
When should the Reds offer Wink a long term deal? I say tomorrow.

Weren't guys here talking about trading Winker just yesterday?

Tom Servo
05-21-2021, 09:06 PM
So the Brewers have both Angel Perdomo and Luis Perdomo on their roster, that's not confusing at all.

NebraskaRed
05-21-2021, 09:07 PM
Reds went to Costco today and bought a pallet of runs. Don't need to go through them all in one game, fellas.

Parcel them out

757690
05-21-2021, 09:07 PM
Good time for Suarez’s luck to turn around

RedForLife
05-21-2021, 09:07 PM
I'm just the type of Reds fan that believes that Naquin needs to be in the lineup every day.

REDREAD
05-21-2021, 09:07 PM
It's great to have a low stress game where we have a big lead :)

Tom Servo
05-21-2021, 09:08 PM
come on man

Wonderful Monds
05-21-2021, 09:08 PM
When’s the last time Geno had a 3-0 count

NebraskaRed
05-21-2021, 09:08 PM
Man, why would you swing on 3-0

BluegrassRedleg
05-21-2021, 09:09 PM
Selfish as hell.

klw
05-21-2021, 09:09 PM
So Suarez just has to swing 3-0. Seriously they just walked the bases loaded and you swing 3-0?

Stray
05-21-2021, 09:09 PM
Had a great pitch to hit. Tough to watch Suarez struggle like this. He used to park that fastball in the rightfield stands.

RedForLife
05-21-2021, 09:10 PM
Tuck with the deep SF! Hell yeah!

RedsBrick
05-21-2021, 09:10 PM
Man Suarez. Pretty dang selfish of you.

Tom Servo
05-21-2021, 09:10 PM
At least Barnhart does his job right

Should have been a bigger inning if not for Geno

Wonderful Monds
05-21-2021, 09:10 PM
Geno’s average over the last 7, 15, and 30 games: .160, .175, .136


His bounceback might’ve been a bit oversold

NebraskaRed
05-21-2021, 09:10 PM
Disappointing to only get 1 run out of that.

George Foster
05-21-2021, 09:11 PM
Swinging 3-0 batting a buck 50 is not high I.Q. baseball.

klw
05-21-2021, 09:11 PM
So with a short bull pen they walk the bases loaded, go 3-0 and then the Reds swing at 3 straight pitches?????????????????


My bad, Barnhart's SF was on the 2nd pitch.

KeefeCato
05-21-2021, 09:11 PM
Sadak would have lost his mind on those last two fly balls.

BluegrassRedleg
05-21-2021, 09:11 PM
A real manager would pull Suarez here.

Monster Man
05-21-2021, 09:11 PM
Why was a .160 hitter given the green light on a 3-0 count with the bases loaded? Is Bell trying to get him going? If so, terrible game management by a consistently bad manager.

NebraskaRed
05-21-2021, 09:11 PM
Sadak would have lost his mind on those last two fly balls.

I think I could hear him screaming from his house.

davereds24
05-21-2021, 09:12 PM
It sure has been nice to see so many quality ABs by Tucker this season.

Wonderful Monds
05-21-2021, 09:12 PM
A real manager would pull Suarez here.

For who? Payton? Schrock?

BluegrassRedleg
05-21-2021, 09:12 PM
For who? Payton? Schrock?

Whoever. Unless Bell was the moron who gave the green light, you have to address that right now.

Tom Servo
05-21-2021, 09:13 PM
Geno’s average over the last 7, 15, and 30 games: .160, .175, .136


His bounceback might’ve been a bit oversold
Yeah I'm still seeing little to nothing besides popping the occasional HR. Still constantly late, still seemingly totally guessing at the plate.

klw
05-21-2021, 09:13 PM
No Antone?


Oh well, it is past my bedtime anyway.

RedForLife
05-21-2021, 09:14 PM
So the Brewers have both Angel Perdomo and Luis Perdomo on their roster, that's not confusing at all.

Every time I hear 'Angel' I think 'Hernandez.' World's worst umpire.

757690
05-21-2021, 09:14 PM
I don’t blame Suarez for swinging on 3-0. He had a great pitch to drive.

What worries me is that he popped up a great pitch to drive. He’s still messed up.

NebraskaRed
05-21-2021, 09:15 PM
Nice grab by Naquin

NCReds
05-21-2021, 09:15 PM
Just all around a terrible swing on 3-0 count for Suarez. Not only did it seem selfish but also gave a struggling pitcher confidence on the next two batters. I’m sure Geno is as anxious as any of us to get this year going offensively but with the way he has started, that should be take all the way and just wait for a pitch to drive, whether it’s a HR or a hard grounder through the shift.

Stray
05-21-2021, 09:15 PM
I don't mind the swing on 3-0 as much as others here. In that situation he's getting a fastball, if it's in his spot then I'm fine with it. It was out over the plate and should have been crushed somewhere.

Wonderful Monds
05-21-2021, 09:15 PM
Yeah I'm still seeing little to nothing besides popping the occasional HR. Still constantly late, still seemingly totally guessing at the plate.

I said I thought he might be at least post-2015 Todd Frazier now, but it would still be a monumental leap for him to get to even that point.

The couple of doubles he had last week are the highlight of his season since the first week. Otherwise he’s still stuck firmly in Chris Davis territory.

Stray
05-21-2021, 09:16 PM
That's a 6 pitch inning for AG.

KeefeCato
05-21-2021, 09:17 PM
No Antone?
I am good with that. At least till the Brewers score a run. There lineup is loaded with LHB. See if Garrett and Doolittle can finish up. Save Antone for closer game tomorrow. Need to win this series.

Oh well, it is past my bedtime anyway.

Wonderful Monds
05-21-2021, 09:18 PM
I don't mind the swing on 3-0 as much as others here. In that situation he's getting a fastball, if it's in his spot then I'm fine with it. It was out over the plate and should have been crushed somewhere.

I don’t in theory either, I think if you get your pitch you should swing at it, but he should just try to hit the ball hard where it’s pitched. He was clearly trying to uppercut the ball there swinging for the fences, because that’s still all he ever really tries to do anymore, so instead we get an infield pop out.

NebraskaRed
05-21-2021, 09:19 PM
Mr. Shorts Man

coryfly
05-21-2021, 09:19 PM
I think Saurez has always been a guess hitter. He had some tremendous streaks guessing right. Now when he does he still is pretty awful, and moving him to SS even takes away what he could give the team on defense. He just isn't a very good player outside of being a good clubhouse guy IMO.

Wonderful Monds
05-21-2021, 09:19 PM
I dig these Brewers unis actually, they’re much better than the awful script Reds equivalent alternates we’ve worn 90% of the time this season.

RedForLife
05-21-2021, 09:20 PM
Everyone needs to relax.
Geno. Will. Come around.

Roy Tucker
05-21-2021, 09:20 PM
Reds 6-1. This is good, right?

KeefeCato
05-21-2021, 09:20 PM
Looks like he is going Sims 7th Doolittle 8th and Antone in the 9th. All should be available tomorrow if so.

Tom Servo
05-21-2021, 09:21 PM
I think Saurez has always been a guess hitter. He had some tremendous streaks guessing right. Now when he does he still is pretty awful, and moving him to SS even takes away what he could give the team on defense. He just isn't a very good player outside of being a good clubhouse guy IMO.
He was a good regular from 2015-2017 and played at an elite level in 2018-2019, it wasn’t like it was just one decent season he had.

757690
05-21-2021, 09:21 PM
Reds 6-1. This is good, right?

With this pen, good-ish

NebraskaRed
05-21-2021, 09:22 PM
Heineman is a bust. DFA him now.

George Foster
05-21-2021, 09:22 PM
And another way to look at it is if you can't do anything with a 3-0 fastball with the bases loaded batting 150ish and after last year's 60 game average maybe it's time to change your approach. It's not working.

Wonderful Monds
05-21-2021, 09:22 PM
I think Saurez has always been a guess hitter. He had some tremendous streaks guessing right. Now when he does he still is pretty awful, and moving him to SS even takes away what he could give the team on defense. He just isn't a very good player outside of being a good clubhouse guy IMO.

I don’t think a guy who walks as much as he has in the past and displays a fair amount of related plate discipline is going to be a pure guess hitter. I don’t think that’s really the problem.


Everyone needs to relax.
Geno. Will. Come around.

Man I hope so, I don’t see a lot of hope at the moment. Hitting in the mid 100s and it’s nearly June. Even when he does get a hit, it’s a home run (or a couple of doubles off the wall) because he won’t adjust his approach beyond swinging for the fences every AB.

Roy Tucker
05-21-2021, 09:23 PM
With this pen, good-ish

Positive vibes, man.

Wonderful Monds
05-21-2021, 09:24 PM
Did FS1 just drop a mic through the Mariana Trench into the depths of hell, goddamn what is this noise

coryfly
05-21-2021, 09:24 PM
He was a good regular from 2015-2017 and played at an elite level in 2018-2019, it wasn’t like it was just one decent season he had.


Yeah, I was a big fan. He was a good player then even though I still think he did a lot of guessing. A lot of hitting is guessing to some extent though. I just think at this point he is what he is and I think the chances of him getting back to that point are slim.

Roy Tucker
05-21-2021, 09:26 PM
Did FS1 just drop a mic through the Mariana Trench into the depths of hell, goddamn what is this noise

A disturbance in the force.

Wonderful Monds
05-21-2021, 09:26 PM
Kind of a glib outlook here: given the Reds kind of middle of the road talent level, both at the major and minor league level, I think they either need to trade Winker or sign him to a decent length extension by the end of the calendar year. He’s one of the few younger players on the roster who’s actually truly great, and he’s only got a couple years of control after this season.

I don’t think they’re gonna have enough to put them over the top to be championship in the next couple seasons that’ll cover the rest of his arbitration years, point being

RedForLife
05-21-2021, 09:27 PM
And another way to look at it is if you can't do anything with a 3-0 fastball with the bases loaded batting 150ish and after last year's 60 game average maybe it's time to change your approach. It's not working.

I think Geno is going to be just fine. I think he's going to be especially powerful in June, July and August. Go Geno! Go Reds!

757690
05-21-2021, 09:28 PM
Gotta luv all these outside experts predicting the Reds will trade Winker at the deadline

BluegrassRedleg
05-21-2021, 09:28 PM
These FS1 announcers VASTLY underestimate the Reds' ability to straddle the fence.

Roy Tucker
05-21-2021, 09:28 PM
Interesting to hear these FS announcers talk about the Reds.

George Foster
05-21-2021, 09:29 PM
Announcers talking about a rebuild. They obviously don't know the history of our current front office.

757690
05-21-2021, 09:29 PM
Kind of a glib outlook here: given the Reds kind of middle of the road talent level, both at the major and minor league level, I think they either need to trade Winker or sign him to a decent length extension by the end of the calendar year. He’s one of the few younger players on the roster who’s actually truly great, and he’s only got a couple years of control after this season.

I don’t think they’re gonna have enough to put them over the top to be championship in the next couple seasons that’ll cover the rest of his arbitration years, point being

The one thing the early 2010’s taught me, was that the Reds should wait until the last minute before extending players.

Wonderful Monds
05-21-2021, 09:30 PM
Gotta luv all these outside experts predicting the Reds will trade Winker at the deadline

I’m coming around to the idea that they need to retool at the very least, and Winker might be their only true major chip left suddenly, but Idk about the trade deadline. How often is it that players with years of control left on their arbitration seasons get traded midseason? Seems like those are usually offseason trades.

Big Klu
05-21-2021, 09:31 PM
I dig these Brewers unis actually, they’re much better than the awful script Reds equivalent alternates we’ve worn 90% of the time this season.

The Brewers' caps are outstanding. They should make them their regular road cap instead of just an alternate. (The solid blue cap should remain the home cap.)

Roy Tucker
05-21-2021, 09:31 PM
I like to hear some outside opinions. Us Reds fans and announcers tend to be a little inbred and groupthink.

Need some refreshing of the gene pool.

George Foster
05-21-2021, 09:32 PM
So...we were in a rebuild since 2013, made it to the playoffs last year, didn't do much of anything in the off season and now it's time for another rebuild. Got it.

Wonderful Monds
05-21-2021, 09:33 PM
The Brewers' caps are outstanding. They should make them their regular road cap instead of just an alternate. (The solid blue game should remain the home cap.)

Their royal blue ones they have are pretty dope.


Same with the similar ones the Mariners have with the cream/royal blue/gold scheme. I’m assuming they’re kinda taking the same inspiration, going back to the Brewers’ roots in Seattle.

Big Klu
05-21-2021, 09:33 PM
So...we were in a rebuild since 2013, made it to the playoffs last year, didn't do much of anything in the off season and now it's time for another rebuild. Got it.

Need to play for draft picks.

Roy Tucker
05-21-2021, 09:35 PM
Like that chat Barnhart had with Sims after a basehit and a 2-0 count.

Tony Cloninger
05-21-2021, 09:36 PM
Kudos to Hoffman for surviving like 1999 Jason Bere or Steve Avery.

Wonderful Monds
05-21-2021, 09:37 PM
Blah. Sims is too hittable too often for my tastes.

WrongVerb
05-21-2021, 09:38 PM
Stephenson, Garcia, India, Senzel is a very good up-the-middle of the future. Winker is still young enough that he could supplement that.

757690
05-21-2021, 09:38 PM
I’m coming around to the idea that they need to retool at the very least, and Winker might be their only true major chip left suddenly, but Idk about the trade deadline. How often is it that players with years of control left on their arbitration seasons get traded midseason? Seems like those are usually offseason trades.

The Reds have no future over the next 5 years if they trade Winker. There’s a reason why he’s the best trade chip. He’s their next franchise player.

Wonderful Monds
05-21-2021, 09:39 PM
The Reds have no future over the next 5 years if they trade Winker. There’s a reason why he’s the best trade chip. He’s their next franchise player.

They gotta extend him then. Because I don’t think they’re going anywhere this year or next at the very least.

Bob Sheed
05-21-2021, 09:40 PM
https://media.giphy.com/media/xT5LMGHlk4JWu8NdaE/giphy.gif

757690
05-21-2021, 09:40 PM
Stephenson, Garcia, India, Senzel is a very good up-the-middle of the future. Winker is still young enough that he could supplement that.

Plus Greene, Lodolo and a bunch of pitchers about a year away. I like the Reds next window.

coryfly
05-21-2021, 09:42 PM
Yeah, think they have to play for the next window when some of these arms get better and young players improve. They are going to have to spend some money though, especially on decent bullpen arms.

Wonderful Monds
05-21-2021, 09:42 PM
Stephenson, Garcia, India, Senzel is a very good up-the-middle of the future. Winker is still young enough that he could supplement that.

Kind of potentially, India was pretty dynamite the first week but he’s been a dud since. Senzel has been okay and showing some signs of progress this year, but still isn’t really setting the world on fire by any means. Meanwhile he’s still being held together by chewing gum and twine. I like Garcia, he’s lighting up the minors, but still has to prove anything in the majors. TySteve has been pretty great though.

I like the potential, but still feels like they’re pretty far off, and have a ton to prove before I’m hanging my cap on them collectively.


I do agree with the general point; that’s their real window plus Greene and Lodolo. Not this one. The Cast/Moose Reds are stuck in neutral.

757690
05-21-2021, 09:43 PM
They gotta extend him then. Because I don’t think they’re going anywhere this year or next at the very least.

Strongly disagree. They are at .500 this year, with a lot going wrong and no pen. They aren’t losing much after this year while adding Greene, and Lodolo

Roy Tucker
05-21-2021, 09:44 PM
Suck it up, Wong.

RedForLife
05-21-2021, 09:44 PM
I’m coming around to the idea that they need to retool at the very least, and Winker might be their only true major chip left suddenly, but Idk about the trade deadline. How often is it that players with years of control left on their arbitration seasons get traded midseason? Seems like those are usually offseason trades.

Trade Winker? NO! Trade Senzel? Yes. He can't stay on the field more than a week. He had an exceptional game defensively at 3B a couple of games ago but, one good game defensively doesn't cut it. He always seems to get hurt every other week. For cryin' out loud, trade him while he's still relatively young for some relief pitching and maybe also a draft pick. We have Naquin to fill his spot in center. He sure isn't mashing it at the plate this year either.

Wonderful Monds
05-21-2021, 09:45 PM
Strongly disagree. They are at .500 this year, with a lot going wrong and no pen. They aren’t losing much after this year while adding Greene, and Lodolo

Castellanos is pretty much the backbone of the team, he’s the NL MVP so far this year. He’s definitely going to opt out and get a bigger contract this offseason. Moose will be a year older and he already can’t stay on the field. There’s a fork halfway stuck in Suarez. The window with this version of the team is essentially already closed.

traderumor
05-21-2021, 09:46 PM
another stellar outing from Sims. Just when you think you have a stud, he suddenly becomes a dud.

Wonderful Monds
05-21-2021, 09:46 PM
What’re we doing here, Sims.

coryfly
05-21-2021, 09:46 PM
Well, that was bad from Sims.

George Foster
05-21-2021, 09:46 PM
I like a healthy Senzel however I think he'd get hurt in a chess tournament.

Shatz1988
05-21-2021, 09:46 PM
Sims looked awful tonight.

Wonderful Monds
05-21-2021, 09:47 PM
Trade Winker? NO! Trade Senzel? Yes. He can't stay on the field more than a week. He had an exceptional game defensively at 3B a couple of games ago but, one good game defensively doesn't cut it. He always seems to get hurt every other week. For cryin' out loud, trade him while he's still relatively young for some relief pitching and maybe also a draft pick. We have Naquin to fill his spot in center. He sure isn't mashing it at the plate this year either.

With Senzel’s upside, you can’t just up and trade him for a relief pitcher. He’s just worth more to the Reds at that point.

Bob Sheed
05-21-2021, 09:47 PM
Sims out of the game.

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/47/20/16/472016f44ce623c10e85eaa1b21d5abb.jpg

BluegrassRedleg
05-21-2021, 09:48 PM
So...we were in a rebuild since 2013, made it to the playoffs last year, didn't do much of anything in the off season and now it's time for another rebuild. Got it.

They never committed to a rebuild in any of those years. It was all half-ass. They tried something different for a change before last season, it didn't work, and they pulled the plug. Back to status quo, which is "no man's land." Neither rebuilding or trying to compete.

Wonderful Monds
05-21-2021, 09:48 PM
I think the crowning of Sims as closer (or future closer material anyway) over the offseason was a little premature. He’s firmly just a guy, a decent middle reliever.

Roy Tucker
05-21-2021, 09:48 PM
Sims with way too many pitches in the heart of the plate.

757690
05-21-2021, 09:49 PM
Castellanos is pretty much the backbone of the team, he’s the NL MVP so far this year. He’s definitely going to opt out and get a bigger contract this offseason. Moose will be a year older and he already can’t stay on the field. There’s a fork halfway stuck in Suarez. The window with this version of the team is essentially already closed.

If that’s the case, trade everyone at the deadline and play for draft picks for the next 5 seasons.

Roy Tucker
05-21-2021, 09:49 PM
Antone throws 100?

757690
05-21-2021, 09:50 PM
Using Antone here speaks volumes of Bell’s confidence in Doolittle.

BluegrassRedleg
05-21-2021, 09:51 PM
The selfish Suarez F-up is going to loom large before this one is over.

Shatz1988
05-21-2021, 09:51 PM
Plus Greene, Lodolo and a bunch of pitchers about a year away. I like the Reds next window.

India hasn't shown he can hit outside of a weeks worth of games. Senzel probably injured something else when I typed his name. Garcia has looked good in the minors and Stephenson has shown some flashes. I honestly have more confidence in Garcia and Stephenson than I do India and/or Senzel.

George Foster
05-21-2021, 09:51 PM
With no movement on his fastball. Straight as an arrow.

REDREAD
05-21-2021, 09:52 PM
Good job by Antone to limit the damage. This team would be a mess without him in the pen.

- - - Updated - - -

How cool, when they went to the commerical they played "Shaking off the rust" by the Blue Stones. I had no idea Fox was so progressive.

Wonderful Monds
05-21-2021, 09:54 PM
If that’s the case, trade everyone at the deadline and play for draft picks for the next 5 seasons.

I don’t think that’s necessary. I think they have a decent core with potential and a lot of upside, but they won’t be in full swing for a couple more years. I would retool to load up for the Greene/Lodolo/possibly Antone window. At the very least that means trading one of Gray or Castillo, hoping Geno recovers some value and getting what you can for him, getting whatever haul you can get for Castellanos at the deadline.


But they’re half asleep this season, and next will be mostly for getting guys that will probably still qualify as rookie to take their lumps. They have half of a decent lineup after 2022-23ish, but they need reinforcements that aren’t currently in the organization. They need to be proactive and start having a plan for that, and not just sleepwalking and pulling everything out of their ass as they go along.

Roy Tucker
05-21-2021, 09:54 PM
I’d still love to see Antone in the rotation but I get why he’s in the bullpen.

George Foster
05-21-2021, 09:54 PM
I think India now has a scouting report.

RedForLife
05-21-2021, 09:55 PM
Kind of potentially, India was pretty dynamite the first week but he’s been a dud since. Senzel has been okay and showing some signs of progress this year, but still isn’t really setting the world on fire by any means. Meanwhile he’s still being held together by chewing gum and twine. I like Garcia, he’s lighting up the minors, but still has to prove anything in the majors. TySteve has been pretty great though.

I like the potential, but still feels like they’re pretty far off, and have a ton to prove before I’m hanging my cap on them collectively.


I do agree with the general point; that’s their real window plus Greene and Lodolo. Not this one. The Cast/Moose Reds are stuck in neutral.

Get rid of Senzel. Greene and Lodolo come up and coupled with Gray (provided we keep him) and Castillo, we have quite possibly one of the most formidable rotations in baseball. If we traded Senzel for some relief help it would help us immediately also. Good bullpen to back up good rotation can only mean more Reds wins! I'm an optimist, what can I say.

Wonderful Monds
05-21-2021, 09:55 PM
I’d still love to see Antone in the rotation but I get why he’s in the bullpen.

They gotta try it eventually though

Phoenix2
05-21-2021, 09:55 PM
What more can you say about Antone. He is great. The Reds should probably trade him and get what they can....of course and watch him become one of the best starters in the NL.

REDREAD
05-21-2021, 09:55 PM
Wow, fantastic catch by Cain.

George Foster
05-21-2021, 09:55 PM
Catch of the week. Golf clap!

Wonderful Monds
05-21-2021, 09:55 PM
Dang, TySteve just got totally robbed

Roy Tucker
05-21-2021, 09:56 PM
Helluva catch by Cain but crap.

BluegrassRedleg
05-21-2021, 09:56 PM
Jesus, what a catch by Cain.

WVRedsFan
05-21-2021, 09:56 PM
Wow

HammerTime
05-21-2021, 09:56 PM
What more can you say about Antone. He is great. The Reds should probably trade him and get what they can....of course and watch him become one of the best starters in the NL.

Why the hell would they trade him. That’s just silly.

RedForLife
05-21-2021, 09:56 PM
Throw your glove out, you might catch it. And, he did. Damn!

Shatz1988
05-21-2021, 09:57 PM
incredible catch

Tom Servo
05-21-2021, 09:57 PM
Really needed better from Sims there. He’s certainly been shaky so far this year but that was probably as outright bad as he’s ever looked.

HammerTime
05-21-2021, 09:57 PM
Tyler Stephenson off RHP Josh Lindblom - 106.3 mph, 19 degrees (367 ft Lineout, .750 xBA)
90.8 mph 4-Seam Fastball

KeefeCato
05-21-2021, 09:59 PM
Really needed better from Sims there. He’s certainly been shaky so far this year but that was probably as outright bad as he’s ever looked.

Yeah he has not been close to what I thought he would be this season. Forced Bell to use Antone for multiple innings most likely. And he may be done for the series.

TexasRedsFan
05-21-2021, 09:59 PM
Castellanos is pretty much the backbone of the team, he’s the NL MVP so far this year.

See, I would say the exact same thing about Winker. I think he's more valuable because he's less prone to long slumps. Ideally, you keep both if you're serious about competing for a championship. But we know at this point that the Reds (or at least their owner) are not. If I can only afford one, I don't even think twice about moving Cast.

George Foster
05-21-2021, 10:00 PM
Tyler Stephenson off RHP Josh Lindblom - 106.3 mph, 19 degrees (367 ft Lineout, .750 xBA)
90.8 mph 4-Seam Fastball

And he could hit his next one off the handle down the line with a 75 mph exit velo for a double.. baseball is brutal.

REDREAD
05-21-2021, 10:00 PM
Really needed better from Sims there. He’s certainly been shaky so far this year but that was probably as outright bad as he’s ever looked.

Well, on the bright side, it came when the Reds had a big lead and didn't cost them the game.. that's how Reds' luck usually goes..

Larkin Fan
05-21-2021, 10:00 PM
Wow, fantastic catch by Cain.

I was at a game a number of years ago where Cain knocked himself out running into the wall on a similar play. Crazy.

RedForLife
05-21-2021, 10:01 PM
See, I would say the exact same thing about Winker. I think he's more valuable because he's less prone to long slumps. Ideally, you keep both if you're serious about competing for a championship. But we know at this point that the Reds (or at least their owner) are not. If I can only afford one, I don't even think twice about moving Cast.

If I was in the FO, I'd make every effort to keep both.

WVRedsFan
05-21-2021, 10:01 PM
Suarez needs to be introduced to Mr. Bench and not Johnnie

KeefeCato
05-21-2021, 10:01 PM
Cain has really had a nice career. I think him and Moose are pretty close friends.

Roy Tucker
05-21-2021, 10:03 PM
Lindblom with a lot of junk.

Wonderful Monds
05-21-2021, 10:03 PM
If I was in the FO, I'd make every effort to keep both.

I think Castellanos could get like a 125-150 million dollar contract into his mid 30s. That gives me a lot of pause with his skilllset.

Winker I’d be less worried about, but when Cast starts losing his bat on ball skills I think he’ll decline pretty fast

RedForLife
05-21-2021, 10:04 PM
Good eye, Tuck!

Shatz1988
05-21-2021, 10:05 PM
Looking forward to another garbage AB by Farmer.

The Operator
05-21-2021, 10:05 PM
Just now getting to check in.

What is up with Sims? Just a couple of bad outings making his ERA bloated? Typical reliever volatility?

Wonderful Monds
05-21-2021, 10:05 PM
Really confused where Barnhart’s silver slugger act is coming from this season, dude must really be feeling the contract year heat

RedForLife
05-21-2021, 10:06 PM
I think Castellanos could get like a 125-150 million dollar contract into his mid 30s. That gives me a lot of pause with his skilllset.

Winker I’d be less worried about, but when Cast starts losing his bat on ball skills I think he’ll decline pretty fast

We have a good team. If you wanna see it gel... get rid of Bell.

Mitri
05-21-2021, 10:06 PM
Trade Cast, no doubt he’s opting out. Extend Winker.

Reds Fanatic
05-21-2021, 10:06 PM
Big hit by Farmer! 7-4

George Foster
05-21-2021, 10:07 PM
Looking forward to another garbage AB by Farmer.

Time to apologise..��