5-23-21 Reds vs Brewers 1:10pm

[Ron Madden]

Reds
1. Jesse Winker (L) LF
2. Nick Castellanos (R) RF
3. Tyler Naquin (L) CF
4. Tyler Stephenson (R) 1B
5. Tucker Barnhart (L) C
6. Eugenio Suarez (R) 3B
7. Max Schrock (L) 2B
8. Kyle Farmer (R) SS
9. Luis Castillo (R) P

Brewers
1. Kolten Wong (L) 2B
2. Omar Narvaez (L) C
3. Christian Yelich (L) LF
4. Avisail Garcia (R) RF
5. Daniel Vogelbach (L) 1B
6. Travis Shaw (L) 3B
7. Willy Adames (R) SS
8. Jackie Bradley Jr. (L) CF
9. Freddy Peralta (R) P

[NatiRedGals]

No shogo again? And Max Schrock what

[JaxRed]

Where would you play Shogo?

[CaiGuy]

They have their 3 best hitters on the team playing OF. Can Shogo play 1st?

[CrosleyVet]

Where would you play Shogo?

He can't hit just like positions 4 thru 8.

[JaxRed]

They have their 3 best hitters on the team playing OF. Can Shogo play 1st

If he could play 1st, would you want to sit Stevenson with .779 OPS for Shogo with .481 OPS?

[wally post]

Did I miss something? Where is Senzel? Is he on the IR?

[JaxRed]

Yes he is

[KeefeCato]

No shogo again? And Max Schrock what

Where are you going to play Shogo?? For Naquin? For Castellanos? For Winker? Those are the top 3 run producers on the club.

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Did I miss something? Where is Senzel? Is he on the IR?

Yes Knee

[KeefeCato]

If he could play 1st, would you want to sit Stevenson with .779 OPS for Shogo with .481 OPS?

Not a chance.

[KeefeCato]

Forget about Shogo. What is needed to win this series is a strong game for Castillo. He made one mistake pitch last game but otherwise he was really good.
Lets hope he builds on that.

[NebraskaRed]

Forget about Shogo.

Pretty sure Bell has.

[Ron Madden]

The Brewers lineup has been added to the original post

[CaiGuy]

If he could play 1st, would you want to sit Stevenson with .779 OPS for Shogo with .481 OPS?

I was being facetious.

Love that they are using 1b to get a real hitter into the lineup. Don't see how you can sit Naquin. So Shogo becomes the 4th OF, an important role anyways.

[JaxRed]

Castillo gives up soft flare to first hitter. Second guy lines out to Winker. Yelich smokes one that seemed destined to be a double but Castellanos made a real nice grab,!!

[traderumor]

is "makes the glove" a baseball call anyone has heard before, or is that a Sadek original?

[KeefeCato]

Cone on Luis find the strike out pitch.

[757690]

Castillo not fooling anyone so far. Getting by on luck so far this inning.

[traderumor]

not a good sign... Brewers looking competent at the plate early

[JaxRed]

Single by Garcia. So far this has all the signs of bad Castillo. Hopefully he gets out of this inning unscathed and gets better.

Walk to Vogelbach to load bases. Castillo has not control.

[podgejeff_]

That runner on third clearly messed with Castillo.

[klw]

Where would you play Shogo?

Either AAA or

Reds
1. Shogo Akiyama CF
2. Jesse Winker (L) LF
3. Nick Castellanos (R) 3B
4. Tyler Naquin (L) RF
5. Tyler Stephenson (R) 1B
6. Tucker Barnhart (L) C
7. Eugenio Suarez (R) SS
8. Max Schrock (L) or Kyle Farmer (R) 2B
9. Luis Castillo (R) P

[Shatz1988]

Castillo is mentally fragile on the mound. That is why Wong is dancing on 3rd.

[Shatz1988]

Larkin really brings nothing to the broadcast.

[Red Raindog]

Stunning how bad Castillo has been


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[KeefeCato]

wow just wow

[JaxRed]

Walks in a run after starting 0-2. And then gives up a single and two more runs., I assume Godeau is our long man.

[757690]

This is right back to where he was before the last start. No swings and misses on his changeup.

I’n thinking he’s either tipping his pitches or the league has figured out when the change is coming.

[BluegrassRedleg]

New suggestion for Sadak: instead of telling us how bad every Brewer who comes to the plate sucks, focus instead on how bad your pitcher is, rendering those stats irrelevant.


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[KittyDuran]

Walks in a run after starting 0-2. And then gives up a single and two more runs., I assume Godeau is our long man.

Ugh...haven’t got to my seat yet...[emoji35][emoji3062]


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[podgejeff_]

Jackie Bradley tried to kill our photographer.

[TheBigLebowski]

Look, I’m trying not to do my usual and overreact, but how much longer can this go on? It’s unbelievable how awful he’s been and it’s not just going to fix itself. Put him on the DL. Move him to the pen. Something..

I can’t recall a good pitcher cratering like this.

[klw]

Ugh...haven’t got to my seat yet...[emoji35][emoji3062]


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Clearly you jinxed him

[Red Raindog]

Ugh...haven’t got to my seat yet...[emoji35][emoji3062]


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Might want to find the adult beverages first!


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[KeefeCato]

Ugh...haven’t got to my seat yet...[emoji35][emoji3062]


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Ouch. Sorry.

[Alabama Red]

Not a good start. We need to put a couple on the board early and not let it get away too early.

[BluegrassRedleg]

is "makes the glove" a baseball call anyone has heard before, or is that a Sadek original?

Have heard “gloves it” before.


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[CaiGuy]

My biggest disappointments this year easily are Suarez and Castillo, two of my favorite Reds, going full pumpkin this year.

If they are healthy, there is not much to do then to play them through it. But man, it's hard to be that wait and be patient guy at this point.

[podgejeff_]

So apparently Castillo has thrown his slider almost as much as his changeup today. Makes me think they're trying to establish a third pitch because they're just laying off the changeup now.

[JaxRed]

Look, I’m trying not to do my usual and overreact, but how much longer can this go on? It’s unbelievable how awful he’s been and it’s not just going to fix itself. Put him on the DL. Move him to the pen. Something..

I can’t recall a good pitcher cratering like this.

He actually has an option.

[Kc61]

New suggestion for Sadak: instead of telling us how bad every Brewer who comes to the plate sucks, focus instead on how bad your pitcher is, rendering those stats irrelevant.


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Too much salesmanship for my taste.

[RedTeamGo!]

My biggest disappointments this year easily are Suarez and Castillo, two of my favorite Reds, going full pumpkin this year.

If they are healthy, there is not much to do then to play them through it. But man, it's hard to be that wait and be patient guy at this point.

I actually think Castillo has been worse than Suarez. Which is really saying something.

[JaxRed]

C Trent says there was only one swing/miss in 1st

[podgejeff_]

Peralta has the busiest motion ever. I don't see how he isn't a balk machine.

[Big Klu]

Look, I’m trying not to do my usual and overreact, but how much longer can this go on? It’s unbelievable how awful he’s been and it’s not just going to fix itself. Put him on the DL. Move him to the pen. Something..

I can’t recall a good pitcher cratering like this.

Mario Soto fell off the edge of the earth at almost exactly the same age.

[klw]

Winker ks, Do we need to start worrying about Winker? he hasn't homered in like 4 at bats now.

[KeefeCato]

Mario Soto fell off the edge of the earth at almost exactly the same age.

True but he had injures.

[klw]

I actually think Castillo has been worse than Suarez. Which is really saying something.

Its close- Suarez comes in with an OPS of .581 while Castillo's is .573.

[TheBigLebowski]

He actually has an option.

Yeah, I hope that’s being considered, but I would think the optics there would be kinda ugly. But nothing is uglier than the way he’s performing.

[KeefeCato]

Peralta, Williams and Hader probably don't give up 3 runs today.

[Big Klu]

True but he had injures.

Hmm...

[klw]

Rain is stopping here, time to back to the gardening

[TheBigLebowski]

Stupid question time.

Do we know anything more about the ETA for Senzel/Mous?

[InsaneinthBrame]

You only usually see a drop like this in a pitcher if there is an injury. But he is throwing 99 so I doubt aninjury.
It must be the cold lol

[Kc61]

I actually think Castillo has been worse than Suarez. Which is really saying something.

Suarez’ problems are underscored by his constant playing time. He is the most heavily used player on the Reds - most games played, most plate appearances.

Castillo, on the other hand, has the key role as starting pitcher every fifth game.

So take your pick.

[podgejeff_]

Suarez’ problems are underscored by his constant playing time. He is the most heavily used player on the Reds. Most games played, most plate appearances.

Castillo, on the other hand, has the key role as starting pitcher every fifth game.

So take your pick.

The issue is when Suarez is bad it doesn't completely hamstring your team. When Castillo is bad you're probably going to lose that game.

[podgejeff_]

There you go Castillo.

[Alabama Red]

Suarez’ problems are underscored by his constant playing time. He is the most heavily used player on the Reds - most games played, most plate appearances.

Castillo, on the other hand, has the key role as starting pitcher every fifth game.

So take your pick.
They have both been disasters and are the main difference in being at the top of the division and the bottom. AG was just as bad early on and cost us several games but it looks like he’s turned it around.

[NebraskaRed]

I would at least try an "opener" once for one of Castillo's starts just to see how it goes.

But then again, the Reds have a philosophy of "Things are not working? Let's keep doing it and hope that it one day does start working"

[TheBigLebowski]

You only usually see a drop like this in a pitcher if there is an injury. But he is throwing 99 so I doubt aninjury.
It must be the cold lol

That’s the part that makes this all so freaking strange. He shows no signs of physical defect or injury.

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I would at least try an "opener" once for one of Castillo's starts just to see how it goes.

There’s no reason not to.

[RollyInRaleigh]

Castillo is mentally soft. He has tons of ability. His mind and competitive greatness do not match his physical skills....


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[Kc61]

The issue is when Suarez is bad it doesn't completely hamstring your team. When Castillo is bad you're probably going to lose that game.

True, although it’s quite a distinction for Suarez to have the most PAs on the Reds, given the numbers.

I’m a little more upbeat about Castillo, he has his velocity, he’s recently been missing more bats, at least from time to time.

[REDREAD]

Ugh...haven’t got to my seat yet...[emoji35][emoji3062]


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Nice to see you again Kitty!

[Mitri]

The issue is when Suarez is bad it doesn't completely hamstring your team. When Castillo is bad you're probably going to lose that game.

The problem with both of them is that they have contributed heavily to an already sunk season, so now you just have to keep rolling them out there with the hope that they sort things out or possibly one will regain enough value to trade at the deadline.

And yes, Suarez can at least contribute with the glove as he works through his batting funk. He looks good out there when he's not at SS, and occasionally makes some nice plays there too. But I get the feeling this is more of a blip for Castillo than it is for Geno.

[JaxRed]

This season is far from lost.

[podgejeff_]

Got a little something going here...

[Kc61]

True, although it’s quite a distinction for Suarez to have the most PAs on the Reds, given the numbers.

I’m a little more upbeat about Castillo, he has his velocity, he’s recently been missing more bats, at least from time to time.

Prove me wrong right now, Suarez.

[BCubb2003]

You only usually see a drop like this in a pitcher if there is an injury. But he is throwing 99 so I doubt aninjury.
It must be the cold lol

I remember an aging pitcher saying that he threw as hard as ever but the ball didn’t go as fast. Maybe to get the ball to go as fast (99), he has to throw faster than he can command.

[Mitri]

This season is far from lost.

Yeah, the bullpen is good too.

[podgejeff_]

I remember an aging pitcher saying that he threw as hard as ever but the ball didn’t go as fast. Maybe to get the ball to go as fast (99), he has to throw faster he can command.

But he's only 28.

[JaxRed]

I'd rather see a strong double to Right center than a homer here....

[REDREAD]

Historically, Peralta has not been that great, we can get those 3 runs back.

[BCubb2003]

But he's only 28.

Yes, but in the context of injuries. Healthy and 99, he can command. Hurt and 99, he’s throwing beyond his ability to command.

[RedTeamGo!]

Gameday is frozen. It has said “Eugenio Suarez strikes out swinging” for about 7 weeks now.

[podgejeff_]

Gameday is frozen. It has said “Eugenio Suarez strikes out swinging” for about 7 weeks now.

You need a stream?

[NatiRedGals]

Gameday is frozen. It has said “Eugenio Suarez strikes out swinging” for about 7 weeks now.

Don't worry unless max learns how to bat he probably will k to slumping geno and a triple a max back to back ew

[JaxRed]

You need a stream?

Whoosh

[RedTeamGo!]

You need a stream?

Nah I have mlb tv. Just checking sporadically on my phone

[podgejeff_]

Whoosh

Ah, right.

Look, I'm a dumb.

[NatiRedGals]

What is farmer swinging at?

[JaxRed]

Ah, right.

Look, I'm a dumb.

Happens to us all....

[Mitri]

This team is dreadful.

[NatiRedGals]

What a bottom of lineup slumping geno k max triple a fly out and triple a farmer do nothing

[Bruce Berenyi]

this season is COMPLETELY lost

[Kc61]

Chris Davis has the modern record for lowest BA by a hitter qualified for the batting title.

.168.

[NatiRedGals]

this season is COMPLETELY lost

It was lost when we started the season saying were gonna get a ss instead bob pockets the money and bell makes lineups like these just because a guy is up Peyton/Schrock doesn't mean he has to play this isn't little league

[BluegrassRedleg]

Pointless to sit here and waste a beautiful Sunday on this.


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[Alabama Red]

I don’t believe shoes and sunglasses melted

[NatiRedGals]

Well im out like that Garcia dinger until next time folks

[REDREAD]

Pointless to sit here and waste a beautiful Sunday on this.


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Yea, it's already 5-0, I think if Castillo gives up another run, I'm out.

[NebraskaRed]

Reds are looking at a 1-6 homestand this week.

Pretty, pretty awful.

[757690]

Chris Davis has the modern record for lowest BA by a hitter qualified for the batting title.

.168.

I’m actually excited to watch if Suarez can set the record.

[NebraskaRed]

I get that it's gonna be hard to win when you have Senzel, Moose, and Votto all out at the same time, but the Reds bringing Castillo out every 5 days because he will some day miraculous get it all together is absolutely negligent.

[Puff]

Reds are looking at a 1-6 homestand this week.

Pretty, pretty awful.

And rarely competitive.

[RedTeamGo!]

Ok, Castillo has to go on the IL.

[JaxRed]

Castillo ERA sits at 8.00 after getting 2nd out.

[Bushman]

Dreadful team. Dreadful homestead. And why the hell are they still running Castillo out there?

[JaxRed]

Ok, Castillo has to go on the IL.

He can't pitch on DL. Send him to AAA.

[REDREAD]

Nice catch by Schrock

[Roy Tucker]

Dreadful team. Dreadful homestead. And why the hell are they still running Castillo out there?

Same reason Suarez keeps playing.

[Puff]

Damn he’s good.

[REDREAD]

MAn, Winker and CAstanallos are good reasons to watch the Reds this year :)

[Roy Tucker]

Where did that hit? Did someone win a truck?

[Coopdaddy67]

If a team is willing to give the Reds a king's ransom for Winker at the deadline, they'd be stupid not to consider it.

I don't know how much higher his value can get and the Reds are too far away for him to be a building block.

[NebraskaRed]

If a team is willing to give the Reds a king's ransom for Winker at the deadline, they'd be stupid not to consider it.

I don't know how much higher his value can get and the Reds are too far away for him to be a building block.

You might be right but it probably won't happen. Castellini likes players that he thinks brings fans to the ballpark.

[757690]

If a team is willing to give the Reds a king's ransom for Winker at the deadline, they'd be stupid not to consider it.

I don't know how much higher his value can get and the Reds are too far away for him to be a building block.

trading Winker means a 5 year rebuild/tanking, followed by 2 years of pretending to try, then another 5 year rebuild/tank

No thank you.

[RedTeamGo!]

If a team is willing to give the Reds a king's ransom for Winker at the deadline, they'd be stupid not to consider it.

I don't know how much higher his value can get and the Reds are too far away for him to be a building block.

Why do the reds have to be far away? They could compete within 2 years if they make some smart moves.

[RedsLvr]

If a team is willing to give the Reds a king's ransom for Winker at the deadline, they'd be stupid not to consider it.

I don't know how much higher his value can get and the Reds are too far away for him to be a building block.

I mean I'm not an MLB GM for a reason but I don't think trading a young star with a couple of more years of control for prospects is a good way to build a winning team.

[BCubb2003]

trading Winker means a 5 year rebuild/tanking, followed by 2 years of pretending to try, then another 5 year rebuild/tank

No thank you.

Yes, the math has never worked. Some teams are going with the radical idea of steadily adding good players.

[NebraskaRed]

That called strike 2 was something...

[Alabama Red]

Why do the reds have to be far away? They could compete within 2 years if they make some smart moves.
Correct. Winker would have to be part of that. Castellanos, AG, Barnhart, Gray, Miley, Moustakis and Suarez will not. That’s where the trades need to happen. Not saying all of them will go but some of those could be nice additions for teams trying to get into postseason.

[RedTeamGo!]

How many solo Homers has Winker hit this year? He’s hit 5 solo shots this weekend, right? All 5 with nobody on base. Amazing.

[NebraskaRed]

Ready for a Barnhart bomb.

[RedsLvr]

How many solo Homers has Winker hit this year? He’s hit 5 solo shots this weekend, right? All 5 with nobody on base. Amazing.

That'll happen when you bat him leadoff. Not like many other guys are getting on base anyways but still.

[REDREAD]

So I'm trying to think.. since 1980, how many times have the Reds traded a vet for a younger player, and at least came close to breaking even (or won)?
Here's what I have, which I am sure is not inclusive:
Brantely for D Young
Burba for Casey

[NebraskaRed]

Got a run, got Peralta up to almost 70 pitches. Still would have liked to capitalize right there.

[Coopdaddy67]

Why do the reds have to be far away? They could compete within 2 years if they make some smart moves.

Looking at how this team was constructed, I have a hard time believing this organization led by Bob Castellini is capable of making some smart moves.

You going to sign Winker to a monster deal in 2 years when he's 30 years old? If not, prepare to wave goodbye or trading him at the 2023 deadline. As I said, his value is through the roof right now and the Reds have a ton of holes that need filling.

[REDREAD]

I think Leake for Duvall was a win too.

[RedTeamGo!]

So I'm trying to think.. since 1980, how many times have the Reds traded a vet for a younger player, and at least came close to breaking even (or won)?
Here's what I have, which I am sure is not inclusive:
Brantely for D Young
Burba for Casey

Alfredo Simon for Eugenio Suarez
Dan Straily for Disco and Castillo

[BCubb2003]

So I'm trying to think.. since 1980, how many times have the Reds traded a vet for a younger player, and at least came close to breaking even (or won)?
Here's what I have, which I am sure is not inclusive:
Brantely for D Young
Burba for Casey

Does Alfredo Simon count? But I suppose it’s not quite like trading a major piece of the team.

[REDREAD]

Alfredo Simon for Eugenio Suarez
Dan Straily for Disco and Castillo

Those were good ones too.

[Coopdaddy67]

You might be right but it probably won't happen. Castellini likes players that he thinks brings fans to the ballpark.

Yep, which is why they waited too long last time and didn't try to get value for their premium assets until it was too late.

My hope is that he's learned his lesson, but who am I kidding?

[REDREAD]

Does Alfredo Simon count?

Yep, so I think we are up to 6 wins for the Reds now in trades like this.

[RedTeamGo!]

Castellini isn’t the GM. I still have absolutely no idea why Nick Krall gets a pass.

[TheBigLebowski]

Looking at how this team was constructed, I have a hard time believing this organization led by Bob Castellini is capable of making some smart moves.

You going to sign Winker to a monster deal in 2 years when he's 30 years old? If not, prepare to wave goodbye or trading him at the 2023 deadline. As I said, his value is through the roof right now and the Reds have a ton of holes that need filling.

Well, if we don’t have any faith they can rebuild, no reason to trade Winker. May as well keep a couple guys around we enjoy watching.

[Alabama Red]

So I'm trying to think.. since 1980, how many times have the Reds traded a vet for a younger player, and at least came close to breaking even (or won)?
Here's what I have, which I am sure is not inclusive:
Brantely for D Young
Burba for Casey
Probably wouldn’t work out this time either but none of the players that would go are part of the future. The main thing is would clear out space for younger players. Lodolo, Greene, Santillian, Antone, India, Stephenson, Garcia, and Senzel. Some of those are playing a lot now but they aren’t settled in to their position or spot in the lineup.

[NebraskaRed]

Yep, which is why they waited too long last time and didn't try to get value for their premium assets until it was too late.

My hope is that he's learned his lesson, but who am I kidding?

I know this has been discussed to death, but how he doesn't understanding that WINNING brings fans to the ballpark, is unbelievable.

[REDREAD]

wow, a Willie Greene reference.. I had forgotten about that guy.

[NebraskaRed]

Willie Greene shoutout

[TheBigLebowski]

I think Leake for Duvall was a win too.

It was, but not a knockout. Kind of a majority decision.

Duvall’s still an effective player. He really exceeded my expectations. I’d have him back in a second.

[REDREAD]

Castellini isn’t the GM. I still have absolutely no idea why Nick Krall gets a pass.

Yes, I agree. Being a Reds GM is a tough job. Even with that considered, I don't think Krall has a passing grade.
Starting the season with Bedrosian, Romano, DeLeon, and Fulmer in the bullpen is just incompetence.
Also starting the season with no SS is unforgivable.

[NebraskaRed]

Castellini isn’t the GM. I still have absolutely no idea why Nick Krall gets a pass.

True but Castellini is on record saying he has intervened and blocked trades because he thought certain players were popular with Reds fans.

[NebraskaRed]

Geno isn't improving. He isn't figuring it out. He is an automatic out and he plays every day.

[RedTeamGo!]

True but Castellini is on record saying he has intervened and blocked trades because he thought certain players were popular with Reds fans.

Yeah, like 7 years ago. We have absolutely no idea if that is still the case.

[KeefeCato]

Yes, I agree. Being a Reds GM is a tough job. Even with that considered, I don't think Krall has a passing grade.
Starting the season with Bedrosian, Romano, DeLeon, and Fulmer in the bullpen is just incompetence.
Also starting the season with no SS is unforgivable.

Add Perez to the mix. Those bullpen guys were horrible. Just bad evaluation on the Reds part. Team would be at least .500 had better arms started in the pen. Wouldn't have had to had great relievers. Just average.

[JT Redlegs]

Hoping Cody Reed for Riley O'Brien turns into one of those trade wins... would be nice to recuperate something of value from the disatrous Cueto deal.

[Alabama Red]

Geno isn't improving. He isn't figuring it out. He is an automatic out and he plays every day.
Suarez is up there guessing every at bat. If he guesses right and it’s right down the middle he might hit a HR. That’s all he has at this point and that’s not much unless you move him to 8th in the order.

[KeefeCato]

Schrock using launch angle swing is laughable.

[NebraskaRed]

Hoping Cody Reed for Riley O'Brien turns into one of those trade wins... would be nice to recuperate something of value from the disatrous Cueto deal.

I am 3/4 Irish so I can say this, his name is too Irish.

[REDREAD]

Add Perez to the mix. Those bullpen guys were horrible. Just bad evaluation on the Reds part. Team would be at least .500 had better arms started in the pen. Wouldn't have had to had great relievers. Just average.

Thank you. I guess Perez gave me so much PTSD , I forgot about him :)
So that's starting the season with 5 garbage guys in the pen.
I can understand trading for a guy like Perez and parking him in AAA as a project, but a guy like that should not be on the ML roster.

[Coopdaddy67]

Castellini isn’t the GM. I still have absolutely no idea why Nick Krall gets a pass.

Nick Krall just took over and was immediately told to drastically cut payroll. That's why.

[757690]

I wouldn’t be surprised to learn that Reds ownership has been planning for a lockout next season, which would explain the inactivity.

[Big Klu]

So I'm trying to think.. since 1980, how many times have the Reds traded a vet for a younger player, and at least came close to breaking even (or won)?
Here's what I have, which I am sure is not inclusive:
Brantely for D Young
Burba for Casey

Dave Parker for Jose Rijo and Tim Birtsas

[REDREAD]

Nick Krall just took over and was immediately told to drastically cut payroll. That's why.

Yea, it's hard to figure out how much say Krall had when Williams was president.. but at the same time, I think he deserves at least some of the responsiblity for the spending spree that
ate up all payroll flexibility.. Some of those moves were good.. In fact, now even Miley is looking good.. but just think we had Shogo's money to spend on the bullpen instead of him being a 5th OF.
That would have made a difference.

[JaxRed]

Wily Mo for Bronson

[KeefeCato]

India , Blandino ,Schrock , Payton, Heineman , Hoffman , Goudeau. That is 7 players on a 26 man roster that should not be in the majors right now. I know 3-4 of them would not be if not for injures. Add Castillo possibly the worst starter in MLB right now and Suarez worst hitter in MLB right now.
You can't win like that. Only prayer this team has is to get healthy in the next 2-3 weeks stay healthy and reel off 12 out of 15 game winning streak. Add a couple relief arms and a bench bat at the deadline.
Way too many ifs.

[REDREAD]

Dave Parker for Jose Rijo and Tim Birtsas

Yes, most definitely.. so now we are up to 7.

[RedTeamGo!]

Nick Krall just took over and was immediately told to drastically cut payroll. That's why.

Nick Krall was indeed given chicken **** and asked to make chicken salad. However, instead of trying to make the chicken salad he just lit it on fire and threw it out a 10 story window. Nobody said it was an easy job, he didn’t even try to do the job, though. And he’s paid millions for this. If my boss came to me and told me to book a truck for a customer from Toledo to San Francisco for $3000. I would say “that’s going to be extremely difficult to get done, but I’m on it.” I wouldn’t say “that’s going to be extremely difficult to get done” and then go take a nap.

[Coopdaddy67]

Yea, it's hard to figure out how much say Krall had when Williams was president.. but at the same time, I think he deserves at least some of the responsiblity for the spending spree that
ate up all payroll flexibility.. Some of those moves were good.. In fact, now even Miley is looking good.. but just think we had Shogo's money to spend on the bullpen instead of him being a 5th OF.
That would have made a difference.

Eh, I think it's hard to give him credit or blame when he wasn't the guy making the final decisions.

I've always felt that the Shogo signing was more about getting access into Japan than anything.

[REDREAD]

Wily Mo for Bronson

I'll count this, as it was a fantastic trade. One of the best ever. I was looking for trades that saved us cash mostly.
So that puts us at 8.

[NebraskaRed]

Castillo ending his day with a couple good innings would only give the Reds reason to send him back out there in 5 games.

Same with Geno hitting a home run every couple weeks. Just gives Bell reason to keep him in the lineup.

[Big Klu]

Wily Mo for Bronson

You got it backwards. The Reds traded the young guy for the veteran in that case.

[KeefeCato]

Yes, most definitely.. so now we are up to 7.

Power and Stillwell for Danny Jackson. In all my years of following the Reds. I predicted that trade a month before it happened. I have never before or since predicted a trade right.

[Tom Servo]

Nick Krall was indeed given chicken **** and asked to make chicken salad. However, instead of trying to make the chicken salad he just lit it on fire and threw it out a 10 story window. Nobody said it was an easy job, he didn’t even try to do the job, though. And he’s paid millions for this. If my boss came to me and told me to book a truck for a customer from Toledo to San Francisco for $3000. I would say “that’s going to be extremely difficult to get done, but I’m on it.” I wouldn’t say “that’s going to be extremely difficult to get done” and then go take a nap.
Thing is we just don't know how these inner machinations work. Maybe Krall had deals lined up to trade Castillo and Suarez that would be looking really good right now and Castellini nixed them. Everything about this team's management is just too much of a black box to really assign individual blame.

[RedTeamGo!]

Thing is we just don't know how these inner machinations work. Maybe Krall had deals lined up to trade Castillo and Suarez that would be looking really good right now and Castellini nixed them. Everything about this team's management is just too much of a black box to really assign individual blame.

That’s fair about the black box. However, the proof is in the pudding and this pudding tastes like ****.

[NebraskaRed]

Last couple years it seemed like Dick Williams was doing interviews weekly. Krall has seemed relatively quiet in comparison.

[RedTeamGo!]

I’ve legit not heard a peep out of Krall since ST. Where is he? Does he live in Cincinnati? Do the beat writers have any access to him?

[REDREAD]

Eh, I think it's hard to give him credit or blame when he wasn't the guy making the final decisions.

I've always felt that the Shogo signing was more about getting access into Japan than anything.

I can go along with giving Krall a pass on Shogo, just to give him the benefit of the doubt.
I don't think burning 21 million to pretend it will help us sign future Japaneese players is defensible.
To me, it looks like the Reds didn't even scout Shogo. They never watched him hit.
I'm an amatuer, it's obvious to me that this guy can not hit MLB pitching (other than an occasional bloop or infield single) and he has zero power.
He has a great eye, but in MLB, most pitchers can challenge him and not worry about walking him.
Gausman, I think he walked Shogo twice because he couldn't find the plate.. But when Gausman was throwing strikes, Shogo had no chance.


Haha and he just hits a good double as I am typing it :lol: But that's the exception more than the rule.

[NebraskaRed]

Shogo showing Bell what he can do.

Now we won't see Shogo again for a week.

[REDREAD]

Power and Stillwell for Danny Jackson. In all my years of following the Reds. I predicted that trade a month before it happened. I have never before or since predicted a trade right.

Yep, so that's 9

[InsaneinthBrame]

One of the biggest impacts of Castillo struggling is that this off season would be the perfect time to trade him.(very Rays like move). The Reds have Greene Lodolo and Antone.
So we have young starting depth.

[JaxRed]

Best hit for Shogo all year !!!

[KeefeCato]

I’ve legit not heard a peep out of Krall since ST. Where is he? Does he live in Cincinnati? Do the beat writers have any access to him?

Maybe it is this way with every club. But doesn't it seem the Reds beat writers never ask the tough questions?

[Redsfan6272]

They keep playing like this dont expect a packed house to watch a bad Reds team.. noway they are even close to last years team.. if Winker and Cast hit like this last year we would have won the division.. Castillo and Gray were supposed to pick up Bauers departure and they have failed. Im so sick of this front office who never have accountability for failures this last off season to go get what they needed to go further in the playoffs. The team out the gate going 6-1 is not the same team now. Its just so frustrating that excuses are ok when the team fails instead of having the guts to admit they failed at trades, failing to draft, failing to cultivate a winning atmosphere. Losing is ok by this ownership. My kids have yet to grow up seeing a World series appearance so they are not diehards.. they rather go hang out with friends or play video games than care for a losing citys sports franchise... that should worry this ownership. Losing a generation of fans thinking all we will see is whats in the past In the Reds HOF. Nothing points to caring about winning a Championship for the fans of the city they got a tax paid stadium from

[KeefeCato]

Where is Nati fan at? Shogo hits one as far as he can hit one.

[RedTeamGo!]

Maybe it is this way with every club. But doesn't it seem the Reds beat writers never ask the tough questions?

Never.

[NebraskaRed]

Does Vogelbach just swallow baseballs and puff up like Kirby?

[Big Klu]

Power and Stillwell for Danny Jackson. In all my years of following the Reds. I predicted that trade a month before it happened. I have never before or since predicted a trade right.

I predicted the Alan Knicely for Bo Diaz trade about a month before it happened in 1985.

[KeefeCato]

Casty almost breaks down the OF wall with that rocket.

[KeefeCato]

I predicted the Alan Knicely for Bo Diaz trade about a month before it happened in 1985.

To be fair. I didn't even know who Angel Salazar was. He completed the Jackson trade.

[Big Klu]

Tim Leary to the Yankees for Hal Morris

[KeefeCato]

Tim Leary to the Yankees for Hal Morris

Huge win there.

[757690]

It’s a close game guys, well within reach, in case anyone is noticing.

[RedTeamGo!]

Does Vogelbach just swallow baseballs and puff up like Kirby?

Little known fact. Kirby was based on Nintendo’s North American attorney who won a crucial lawsuit for the company in the 80s. Universal Studios sued Nintendo on copyright infringement stating Donkey Kong was based off of King Kong. This was early enough where if Universal had won the lawsuit there’s a good chance Nintendo as we know it would have never happened. The lawyer’s name was Kirby and he had a big bald head. Miyamoto created the character of Kirby in his honor because of how much respect he had for the man.

[NebraskaRed]

Little known fact. Kirby was based on Nintendo’s North American attorney who won a crucial lawsuit for the company in the 80s. Universal Studios sued Nintendo on copyright infringement stating Donkey Kong was based off of King Kong. This was early enough where if Universal had won the lawsuit there’s a good chance Nintendo as we know it would have never happened. The lawyer’s name was Kirby and he had a big bald head. Miyamoto created the character of Kirby in his honor because of how much respect he had for the man.

https://media.giphy.com/media/l4FGA2XplwqFDcLwk/giphy.gif

[JaxRed]

If TySteve could park one here it would be a game...

[Wonderful Monds]

Yeah, like 7 years ago. We have absolutely no idea if that is still the case.

It was also true a few years ago on Billy Hamilton still.

[NebraskaRed]

heck of an AB by Stephenson

[Tom Servo]

Nice AB by Ty Steve

A roaring comeback here is sorely needed

[Wonderful Monds]

Little known fact. Kirby was based on Nintendo’s North American attorney who won a crucial lawsuit for the company in the 80s. Universal Studios sued Nintendo on copyright infringement stating Donkey Kong was based off of King Kong. This was early enough where if Universal had won the lawsuit there’s a good chance Nintendo as we know it would have never happened. The lawyer’s name was Kirby and he had a big bald head. Miyamoto created the character of Kirby in his honor because of how much respect he had for the man.

Mario was also based on a guy who repaired their original arcade cabinets out there in Seattle I wanna say?

[REDREAD]

Tim Leary to the Yankees for Hal Morris

yep, that's 10.

[KeefeCato]

Charlton for Kevin Mitchell.

[RedTeamGo!]

Naquin starting to turn back into a pumpkin. Did this act every year in Cleveland.

[Big Klu]

Huge win there.

I was in college at the time, and the guy who lived in the dorm room next to me was a huge minor-league baseball fan. He knew all about minor-leaguers for each club. He says to me, "I see the Reds made a trade."

I said, "Yeah, they traded Tim Leary to the Yanks for some minor-league outfielder. Don't know much about him, but Leary's a bum."

He said, "Dude! You got Hal Morris! You're gonna LOVE Hal Morris!"

[KeefeCato]

They need to hammer Boxberger.

[Hamilton95]

Did you guys hear Larkin talking about moving Winker down a spot or two to drive in some runs and maybe put Akiyama at lead off? Five solo home runs in this series. I wish Larkin was manager over David Bell.

[Tom Servo]

Naquin starting to turn back into a pumpkin. Did this act every year in Cleveland.
Feels like this same post has been made every week this season so far. I'd still be giving him pretty regular playing time for the forseeable future.

[Hamilton95]

Did you guys hear Larkin talking about moving Winker down a spot or two to drive in some runs and maybe put Akiyama at lead off? Five solo home runs in this series. I wish Larkin was manager over David Bell.

I have been saying they need to do this all season.

[Wonderful Monds]

Did you guys hear Larkin talking about moving Winker down a spot or two to drive in some runs and maybe put Akiyama at lead off? Five solo home runs in this series. I wish Larkin was manager over David Bell.

He also gushed about Winker grounding out to the right and advancing Shogo a base lol


I’m not what you’d call a fan of Bell, but I also don’t want Barry anywhere near the dugout, much as I love the guy.

[RedTeamGo!]

Feels like this same post has been made every week this season so far. I'd still be giving him pretty regular playing time for the forseeable future.

I would too, I’m just saying, it’s his way.

[KeefeCato]

Feels like this same post has been made every week this season so far. I'd still be giving him pretty regular playing time for the forseeable future.

I was on the when he comes back Shogo needs to play train. Naquin has more than earned a starting spot over Shogo. Happy to be wrong on that.

[JaxRed]

I want to keep Barry far far away from manager's office...

[REDREAD]

Charlton for Kevin Mitchell.

Great trade, but Mitchell had already won an MVP, not exactly trading for a prospect.
I think I should probably not count Arroyo either, as he was not a prospect. Still an awesome trade though.
Danny Jackson too.. He was not a prospect. Stilwell was the prospect.

I Think that puts us to 8.

[Hamilton95]

Feels like this same post has been made every week this season so far. I'd still be giving him pretty regular playing time for the forseeable future.

They need to trade him before he falls off. Between Winker, Castellanos, Senzel, Akiyama, Aquino and Heinneman, we don't need him.

[Tom Servo]

Up to Suarez with the bases loaded :help:

[Big Klu]

To be fair. I didn't even know who Angel Salazar was. He completed the Jackson trade.

All I knew was that Angel Salazar was a utility infielder who had played for Les Expos a couple of years before that.

[Tom Servo]

You know things are rough when I'm looking at the bench right now and thinking the RH batters (India, Heineman, Blandino) are all better options here than Suarez, though Suarez is better than the one LH option (Payton).

[KeefeCato]

Boxberger please hit Geno's bat with a fastball here.

[REDREAD]

That was disappointing. I hope we get another chance like that..

[NebraskaRed]

Man...

[RedTeamGo!]

Suarez man. Wow.

[Wonderful Monds]

Has anyone considered that Geno is trying to hit so poorly his average glitches out through the bottom and rolls over to being 1.000? Yeah didn’t think so

[TheBigLebowski]

Freaking Suarez.

[Tom Servo]

If you have nothing nice to say...

[Phoenix2]

How did he get so bad? Scratching my head...

[JT Redlegs]

Mr. 50 homers comes up clutch again....

[Shatz1988]

Suarez is done. The fans and team need to come to grips with that. He's not a major league player at this time.

[NCReds]

Man, Geno is really letting this team down offensively. Bell has got to sit him out for a few games... seriously doesn’t make any sense at all to leave him in there at this point.

[JaxRed]

With averages sinking throughout baseball, will in years to come people be saying "He struggled to keep his average above the Suarez line of .150"

[RedTeamGo!]

This is how I know a former great is toast: when he comes up with the bases loaded with 2 outs, down by 3, and my thought is “I’d pinch hit Alex Freaking Blandino” for him. You’ve got to phantom IL him at this point. No other options.

[Alabama Red]

You know it’s going bad when the announcers have to talk about how nice of a person you are and make excuses every at bat as to why you’re in the lineup.

[KeefeCato]

Like I said yesterday. Bell has got to sit him down. They need to bring someone in. A former Reds great someone anyone to work with Saurez. He at this point needs to rework his swing. And Zinter does not need to be part of it.

[JT Redlegs]

For anyone keeping track, Suarez is currently on pace for 223 Strikeouts this season, which would tie Mark Reynolds for the single-season major league record.

[Wonderful Monds]

Like I said yesterday. Bell has got to sit him down. They need to bring someone in. A former Reds great someone anyone to work with Saurez. He at this point needs to rework his swing. And Zinter does not need to be part of it.

There’s a guy in the broadcast booth right now whose name rhymes with “Larry Barkin”.....



(Not sure how much I’m kidding on this one actually)

[gagliano]

Mr. 50 homers comes up clutch again....

!!!!!!

[KeefeCato]

There’s a guy in the broadcast booth right now whose name rhymes with “Larry Barkin”.....



(Not sure how much I’m kidding on this one actually)

That would work. Suarez you would hope at his point would be willing to make changes. And if they haven't yet I would be giving him a eye exam pronto.

[JaxRed]

I think that's the toughest test for a manager. Will he have the guts to sit regulars that aren't producing. So far Bell won't sit Suarez or Castillo. Castillo needs to go to AAA until he works things out, and Suarez neds to sit every other day.

[KeefeCato]

I think that's the toughest test for a manager. Will he have the guts to sit regulars that aren't producing. So far Bell won't sit Suarez or Castillo. Castillo needs to go to AAA until he works things out, and Suarez neds to sit every other day.

What gets me is he did sit Votto last season. And Votto wasn't hitting half as bad as Suarez is now.

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Feliz will be a solid addition to the pen. I think Brach will be as well.

[Big Klu]

John Smiley and Jeff Branson to the Tribe for Danny Graves, Damian Jackson, Jim Crowell, and Scott Winchester

[Bruce Berenyi]

bobby tolan and wayne granger to reds for an ancient vada pinson a great steal

[Wonderful Monds]

I think that's the toughest test for a manager. Will he have the guts to sit regulars that aren't producing. So far Bell won't sit Suarez or Castillo. Castillo needs to go to AAA until he works things out, and Suarez neds to sit every other day.

They both need to hit the DL with a mysterious case of fractured talent bone

[NebraskaRed]

Gotta wonder if Votto and Moose being on the IL is factoring into this. If you bench Geno, you've got 3/4 of the starting infield not playing.

Not saying it should factor into that decision, but it might.

[Tom Servo]

Well that's probably that for this one.

[NebraskaRed]

Reds get guys on base and nothing happens.

Other teams get guys on base and...

[Wonderful Monds]

Doolittle is the MVP of surrendering inherited runners

[Tom Servo]

Reds get guys on base and nothing happens.

Other teams get guys on base and...
Just wait until they get home to GABP

wait

[RedTeamGo!]

Castillo needs to be optioned and figure it out in AAA.

[JaxRed]

In theory bringing in a lefty was smart. Maybe Garrett was better choice.

[Wonderful Monds]

How is Kolten Wong of all people killing us

[Hamilton95]

Doolittle is the MVP of surrendering inherited runners

I think he has allowed every one of his inherited runners to score this season. I don't know how or where to find that stat, just going off of memory.

[NebraskaRed]

Sadak sounds depressed. The reality of watching a seasons' worth of Reds games is starting to hit him.

[JaxRed]

10/12 inherited runners is crazy bad....

[REDREAD]

John Smiley and Jeff Branson to the Tribe for Danny Graves, Damian Jackson, Jim Crowell, and Scott Winchester

yep, that counts, that gives us 9.

[TheBigLebowski]

How is Kolten Wong of all people killing us

If Kolten is Wong I don’t want to be right.


Tip your waitresses.

[REDREAD]

Sadak sounds depressed. The reality of watching a seasons' worth of Reds games is starting to hit him.

2021 Reds' motto "We will break your spirit and make you lose all hope" :lol:

[JaxRed]

I watched Goudeau pitch on minor League TV. He wasn't bad but had trouble throwing strikes.

[gagliano]

Gal Goudot is the answer!

[KeefeCato]

I watched Goudeau pitch on minor League TV. He wasn't bad but had trouble throwing strikes.

He should fit right in then.

[Bruce Berenyi]

i am sure they will win we must be positive

[REDREAD]

This Richards guy, with the gray hair, looks like he's 45 years old.

[NebraskaRed]

Petition to the move the last few innings of the game to Coors Field because then the Reds would have at least a whisper of a chance.

[TexasRedsFan]

Wonder if any organization would see Suarez and Castillo are worthy reclamation projects and give us one useful piece for both. That's about where I am with them.

[NebraskaRed]

I was half listening and thought Sadak was talking about wanting to break Yelich's kneecaps.

[TheBigLebowski]

I know in the grand scheme of things it’s silly to think they’re out of it. 20-25, 45 games out of 162. 25%.

But man oh man, does it ever feelover. Even in best case scenarios it’s hard to imagine a way they could realistically get to 85 wins.

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Wonder if any organization would see Suarez and Castillo are worthy reclamation projects and give us one useful piece for both. That's about where I am with them.

That’d be one more useful piece than we currently have.

[Big Klu]

Rafael Landestoy to the Dodgers for John Franco

[NebraskaRed]

I know in the grand scheme of things it’s silly to think they’re out of it. 20-25, 45 games out of 162. 25%.

But man oh man, does it ever feelover. Even in best case scenarios it’s hard to imagine a way they could realistically get to 85 wins.

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That’d be one more useful piece than we currently have.

I'm feeling the same thing.

But, if they were able to stay somewhat where they are in the stansings until Moose, Votto, Senzel comes back, maybe do something about Castillo....maybe then something could happen.

[gagliano]

Gal Gaudot perfecto!

[JaxRed]

If you snugged that tie up, you'd be looking smart there Sergeant

[Tom Servo]

I'm feeling the same thing.

But, if they were able to stay somewhat where they are in the stansings until Moose, Votto, Senzel comes back, maybe do something about Castillo....maybe then something could happen.
Just hard to see things not getting worse when you're dropping six of seven at home, to be honest.

[Rantly]

In theory bringing in a lefty was smart. Maybe Garrett was better choice.

Can’t bring in your better relievers in a “down” game per Bell