2021 NBA Draft

[adkindo]

Draft Date: Thursday, July 29th

The current aggregate mock draft (as of 07/04 (https://hoopshype.com/lists/nba-mock-draft-espn-bleacher-report-cade-cunningham/)) that compiles mock drafts from ESPN, NBADraft.net, CBS Sports, Bleacher Report, Yahoo, The Athletic, The Ringer, Yahoo and USA TODAY Sports Media Group’s For The Win is.....

1. Cade Cunningham
2. Evan Mobley
3. Jalen Green
4. Jalen Suggs
5. Jonathan Kuminga
6. Scottie Barnes
7. Keon Johnson
8. Davion Mitchell
9. Moses Moody
10. Jalen Johnson
11. Franz Wagner
12. Josh Giddey
13. Kai Jones
14. Corey Kispert
15. James Bouknight
16. Cameron Thomas
17. Ziaire Williams
18. Alperen Sengun
19. Isaiah Jackson
20. Tre Mann
21. Jaden Springer
22. Chris Duarte
23. Usman Garuba
24. Sharife Cooper
25. Jared Butler
26. Ayo Dosunmu
27. Greg Brown III
28. Josh Christopher
29. Charles Bassey
30. Roko Prkacin

[adkindo]

As a Lakers fan and someone very interested in the Magic's rebuild, I am focused on picks #5 (Magic), #8 (Magic), and #22 (Lakers).

#5 - I really hope the Magic go against the near consensus in mocks and select Scottie Barnes instead of Kuminga. I think Barnes floor is so high that he is almost a can't miss selection and even has a chance to be the best player in this draft if his jump shot develops. Unlike most players, he should be a productive player in the NBA even if the jumper does not significantly improve.

#8 - Still undecided. Looking at Keon Johnson, Josh Giddey, and James Bouknight. Johnson is a raw athletic freak, Giddey a very young and talented 6'8" PG with massive upside, and Bouknight just has that "it" factor.

#22 - Almost every mock has Duarte @ #22. The thinking seems to be he is more ready to contribute on a team in a championship window. I am not against Duarte as long as the Lakers FO is selecting him for other reasons beyond him being older and "ready to contribute". I think that approach is flawed, and the focus in the draft should be obtaining a piece to put around an AD led Lakers team after Lebron exits. I like Tre Mann if he is on the board, but I would take a perceived risk and select Deuce McBride @ #22. Yes, I have a natural bias for the WVU guard, but I think his potential is lottery level and could be a steal @ #22 in retrospect.

[Bourgeois Zee]

Five I Like More Than Most:
- Chris Duarte, G Oregon
Duarte is, IMO, the most underappreciated prospect in the draft. He's old. But he's a quality defender and knockdown shooter who's also long enough to play wing. He's a willing (and very good) rebounder, passes well, and doesn't try to do too much. He's a rotational player right now at worst with upside to be a first division starter. The only issue is that he's five years older than most prospects. Still, for the first four years of his contract, Duarte is likely to be a bargain.
Best team fit: Milwaukee
Worst team fit: Portland

- Tre Mann, G/F UF
Another tall guard who could also bulk up a bit to play wing, Mann is more of a PG than Duarte. Mann is a three-position guy who can shoot and has the tools to defend. He's too loose with the ball, but should work really well as a third PG and tertiary playmaker and starting wing. (This assumes he gets stronger and decides to play consistent defense.) Good rebounder. If he doesn't play defense, he's Lou Williams. If he does, he's got shades of SGA.
Best team fit: Los Angeles Clippers
Worst team fit: Atlanta

- Franz Wagner, F Michigan
I like Wagner more for his defense than his shot. I don't think his three-point shot is as broken as it occasionally appeared this season. (Low release is problematic, but he is, by all accounts, a hard worker.) Wagner's a hybrid forward who might also be able to play some center as he fills out. He's also an exceptional team defender who should stick on the floor for that alone. He can finish inside with a variety of moves. I think he's a contributor right away in short minutes and might be more as he fixes his shot.
Best team fit: Sacramento
Worst team fit: Detroit

- Davion Mitchell, G Baylor
How can a top 10 pick be underrated? Mitchell is already a 3 and D guy, but he's being given a third echelon grade when, IMO, he needs to be considered ahead of Kuminga, Barnes, and that ilk. Mitchell is short but has long arms and is (IMO) the second-best one-on-one defender in the draft (barely behind Barnes). He's a superior team defender too and his shot is money. Great first step, great mid-game floater, and an extremely underrated passer. Mitchell is very good off the ball and on it. He's a primary ball handler who makes few mistakes and among the smartest in the draft. I think he has All-Star potential and will be a second-division starter from the get-go. Duarte's the better bargain, but Mitchell will have a better career. He's also old, however, and that seems to be the primary driver of most draftniks.
Best team fit: Orlando
Worst team fit: New Jersey

- Moses Moody, G/F Arkansas
Moody was a beast in the SEC and IMO the best player in the league. He played offense and defense and was the driver of Arkansas' offense. His shooting percentages are deceptive because he was the late-clock guy who was charged with shooting tough shots with the ball in his hand. At the next level, I suspect he'll be more of a wing (and tertiary playmaker rather than primary) whose weapon will be that deep range. That said, he's got a good runner too. He's also got super long arms and a willingness to defend at a top level. Really likes him as a developmental prospect and as immediate help. That's pretty rare and should be recognized for its value.
Best team fit: Dallas
Worst team fit: San Antonio

Five I Like Less:
- Scottie Barnes, F FSU
Barnes will provide some value because his defense is smothering. Long arms and a willing passer, he's good at all the little things. But his jumper is broken. Like Michael Kidd Gilchrist before him, Barnes will have to completely redesign his jumper while trying to earn clock as... what exactly? A wing who can't be used on offense? What's more, he's going to have to gain serious weight and muscle even on the defensive end. Bigger wings will abuse him underneath. I think Barnes might develop into a solid player, but in this draft, he's overrated.
Best team fit: Washington
Worst team fit: OKC

- Jonathan Kuminga, F G League
Kuminga has a ton of talent, but he's another wing with a questionable jumper. In today's NBA, that's one tool you have to have to stay on the floor. Kuminga's a PF at this point in his career who bulls his way to the basket. That worked in high school. But against grown men, as we saw last year in his poor G League season, it's a recipe for disaster.
Best team fit: Indiana
Worst team fit: New York Knicks

- Keon Johnson, G/F UT
Johnson is getting some serious buzz for his outrageous physical tools. Yet he's another guy who just doesn't shoot well. Like Barnes above him, Johnson should be able to defend multiple positions well. Like Barnes above, he's got to redesign his shot completely. Unlike Barnes, Johnson is a turnover waiting to happen. He'll need at least a couple seasons to flesh out his game, and teams in the lottery will need him on the floor. That's a difficult situation to be in.
Best team fit: Toronto
Worst team fit: Denver

- Isaiah Jackson, F/C UK
With a little work, he's Nerlens Noel. Which is a difference-maker defensively with time and fit. The issue, of course, is who needs a guy who can give you what Jackson can. You can find guys like Jackson (without some of the upside, admittedly) on every team-- rim-running centers with solid defense acumen who need to gain weight and/or learn the intricacies of the professional game. He has no range, relatively poor hands, but massive athleticism. Might play for 15 years, but might not get 15 starts.
Best team fit: Charlotte
Worst team fit: Golden State

- Sharife Cooper, PG AU
Cooper is the exact kind of prospect I don't understand. He's short enough that it's an extreme liability. He makes up for that, in the college game, by flying around everyone. Great court vision, he turns the ball over a ton but has a bunch of assists too. But Cooper's jumper is horrible. At best, he's going to be a drive-the-ball-and-kick bench PG with massive holes in his game defensively, on the boards, and (in his case) from anywhere outside of three feet. Even three feet in, he's going to have to re-learn how to attack the basket. I just don't see what he offers beyond ball handling.
Best team fit: Denver
Worst team fit: Minnesota

[M2]

The thing that's going to get underrated and then after the draft we're all going to smack our heads like we should have had a V-8 is shooting. Tre Mann, Chris Duarte and Jared Butler are going to feel like steals. Almost every team in basketball could use Moses Moody.

Oh, and whoever picks Jalen Johnson loses the draft.

[Bourgeois Zee]

Oh, and whoever picks Jalen Johnson loses the draft.

I like Johnson in the right spot.

A veteran team like Utah, with good shooters and leadership would make him a weapon as a tertiary ballhandler while letting him learn on the job. He's Joe Ingles Lite at this point. Memphis would be a great spot too.

[Assembly Hall]

I like Johnson in the right spot.

A veteran team like Utah, with good shooters and leadership would make him a weapon as a tertiary ballhandler while letting him learn on the job. He's Joe Ingles Lite at this point. Memphis would be a great spot too.

He quit on his team...tough hurdle to get over with the NBA players.

[Ohayou]

As a Dayton Flyers fan, obviously I watch a lot of A-10 basketball. Nah’shon Hyland is not mentioned here, but could very well be a Top 20 pick. He reminds me a bit of Immanuel Quickley.

[DocRed]

Cavs fan here. They are gonna get a really good player here Hoping Mobley somehow falls to them but I'd be happy with one of the Jalen's. We should be able to make that work. I'm not convince about Okoro or Allen.

[Bourgeois Zee]

Cavs fan here. They are gonna get a really good player here Hoping Mobley somehow falls to them but I'd be happy with one of the Jalen's. We should be able to make that work. I'm not convince about Okoro or Allen.

I really like Allen. He needs to be given the longest of leashes to see what he's capable of. (Still hasn't been provided that opportunity.) I think he has some upside left, including a solid-looking outside shot that may top out at 37% if everything goes right. Add that to his rebounding, defensive capabilities (still not scratched the surface there, IMO), and underrated passing, and he's already a top-15 center with All-Star potential, for sure.

Mobley can play next to Allen with little issue. In fact, I'd argue that's just about the perfect pairing. (Add Love to the mix as the PF/C hybrid between the two, and Cleveland's frontcourt should prove more than capable.)

Okoro, I share your concerns. (Sexton and Garland too, fwiw.)

[adkindo]

The thing that's going to get underrated and then after the draft we're all going to smack our heads like we should have had a V-8 is shooting. Tre Mann, Chris Duarte and Jared Butler are going to feel like steals. Almost every team in basketball could use Moses Moody.

Oh, and whoever picks Jalen Johnson loses the draft.

Did Butler ever get medical clearance?

[texasdave]

I love Jalen Johnson's game, but quitting on your team is bad. Very bad. If he falls into the 20s, the Rockets should nab him.

[M2]

Did Butler ever get medical clearance?

Panel hasn't ruled yet, but he's been cleared by similar panels at the college level.

[adkindo]

Panel hasn't ruled yet, but he's been cleared by similar panels at the college level.

It is his back, right?

[Rojo Rijo]

If Green and Suggs are both gone at #5 (as they should be) and Mobley and Cunningham are the other two top 4 picks (as they should be) then I hope we take Barnes. With that being said we need to find a knockdown 3P shooter at #8. Duarte would be nice. It might be too high to pick Mann who would be undersized a bit at the 2 and we are currently flush with ball handlers but as a UF fan I can tell you that kid just gets buckets.

[M2]

It is his back, right?

Heart condition.

[Bourgeois Zee]

Who says no?

OKC trades SGA, the 6th pick, and the 18th pick to Detroit for the top pick (Cade Cunningham) and Killian Hayes.

[Puffy]

Who says no?

OKC trades SGA, the 6th pick, and the 18th pick to Detroit for the top pick (Cade Cunningham) and Killian Hayes.

Detroit says no I think

[texasdave]

If Detroit says no to that, they are crazy. SGA is an established all-star level player.

[BillDoran]

Phew! Did not realize the season SGA just had. Per game: 24 points, 5 rebounds, 6 assists on 50/40/80 shooting. All while playing good defense.

Even if you deduct for playing on as bad a team as is imaginable, that is all star-caliber for a 22-year-old.

That said, I do think you hold onto the No. 1 pick. The opportunity to pick that high is exceedingly rare (unless you're Cleveland), and this is a pretty good draft with good top-end talent. As strong as SGA is, I think you have to swing for the fences and look for a player that can be the focal point on a championship team. If nobody grades out that way for you, then maybe.

[Rojo Rijo]

Who says no?

OKC trades SGA, the 6th pick, and the 18th pick to Detroit for the top pick (Cade Cunningham) and Killian Hayes.

Both.

OKC knows they have a stud all around PG in Shai and they have two 1sts in a thick draft to build around him. That's way too much to give up in any deal. Doesn't make sense for them.

Detroit I don't think can pass up Cade on the chance he reaches what should be a very high ceiling. A 6'8 220 PG who can shoot? He's got a lot of potential and he's very marketable for a team and city that desperately needs someone. Cade is a bigger splash than Shai + whoever they'd get at #6.

The deal just really doesnt make sense for either team. Both are rebuilding and the deal would only shuffle the cards for each franchise.

[M2]

Both.

OKC knows they have a stud all around PG in Shai and they have two 1sts in a thick draft to build around him. That's way too much to give up in any deal. Doesn't make sense for them.

Detroit I don't think can pass up Cade on the chance he reaches what should be a very high ceiling. A 6'8 220 PG who can shoot? He's got a lot of potential and he's very marketable for a team and city that desperately needs someone. Cade is a bigger splash than Shai + whoever they'd get at #6.

The deal just really doesnt make sense for either team. Both are rebuilding and the deal would only shuffle the cards for each franchise.

I think this hits it right. It's a really compelling trade idea, but both teams have ample reason to stick with what they've got. In Detroit's case, this is the first #1 overall pick they've had since they selected Jalen Rose's dad in 1967. That's a chance to land a supposed chosen one.

[Assembly Hall]

Both.

OKC knows they have a stud all around PG in Shai and they have two 1sts in a thick draft to build around him. That's way too much to give up in any deal. Doesn't make sense for them.

Detroit I don't think can pass up Cade on the chance he reaches what should be a very high ceiling. A 6'8 220 PG who can shoot? He's got a lot of potential and he's very marketable for a team and city that desperately needs someone. Cade is a bigger splash than Shai + whoever they'd get at #6.

The deal just really doesnt make sense for either team. Both are rebuilding and the deal would only shuffle the cards for each franchise.

Seemed like every time I was watching highlights last season Cade was there. I view him as a generational franchise player. How much do they go for these days?

[Bourgeois Zee]

If Detroit says no to that, they are crazy. SGA is an established all-star level player.

Should Houston make that deal for the second pick and Christian Wood?

[Revering4Blue]

I had a mock draft ready to post, but it contained two players (Johnny Juzang and Max Abmas) who elected to return to school. With that in mind, the updated version:

1)Pistons: No explanation necessary -- Cade Cunningham.

2)Rockets: The rebuilding Rockets cannot focus upon possible positional redundancy at this point -- Evan Mobley

3)Cavaliers: Cavs reportedly covet Mobley, but land more shot-creation and playmaking ability -- Jalen Green

4)Raptors: A long-term backcourt solution, Kyle Lowry or no Kyle Lowry -- Jalen Suggs

5)Magic: Magic think long and hard about Kuminga here, and very likely come out ahead in the long run -- Scottie Barnes

6)Thunder: Scouts are divided about this selection's ceiling, but Thunder have nothing except time -- Jonathan Kuminga

7)Warriors (from T-Wolves): More dribble penetration, along with a well-rounded skillset, to further diversify the Warriors' attack -- Davion Mitchell

8)Magic (from Bulls): Magic gain a walking bucket, who was impressive during the combine -- James Bouknight

9)Kings: Not exactly a 'sexy' pick, but one that makes a ton of sense on so many levels -- Franz Wagner

10)Pelicans: A 3-and-D floor-spacing swingman to lessen the pressure on Zion -- Moses Moody

11)Hornets: Hornets resist the urge to reach for a big -- a need which they will later fill via free-agency -- and instead add another transitional weapon for Ball and company -- Keon Johnson

12)Spurs: If any franchise/culture can sap the tremendous potential of this selection, it's San Antonio -- Jalen Johnson

13)Pacers: McBuckets is an unrestricted free agent. And the second unit, with or without McBuckets, can't eschew more shooting -- Corey Kispert

14)Warriors: Having landed an immediate contributor with their previous pick, Bob Myers can afford to swing for the fences here -- Josh Giddey

15)Wizards: At last, a dependable third guard -- Chris Duarte

16)Thunder (from Boston): In time, possibly the type of solid floor-stretching, switchable-defending big that teams covet -- Kai Jones

17)Grizzlies: A 6'9" shooter, defender and all-around glue guy. And possibly the long-term answer at small forward -- Trey Murphy III

18)Thunder (from Miami): This uber-talented combo guard with a 6'9" wingspan is a strong candidate for the annual 'How in the hell did he fall so far in the draft?' award -- Nah'shon Hyland

19)Knicks: With Rose heading for free-agency, Knicks land additional backcourt scoring and shot-creation -- Tre Mann

20)Hawks: Assuming he's cleared to play (health issues), this is his absolute floor, and a perfect fit -- Jared Butler

21)Knicks (from Dallas): A center tag-team of Mitchell Robinson and this selection, who has been compared with a budding Domantas Sabonis, could eventually create havoc for opposing teams -- Alperen Sengun

22)Lakers: As for the reasoning for this selection, I echo the previous sentiments of adkindo -- Miles McBride

23)Rockets (from Portland): While he didn't exactly set the world on fire during his lone NCAA season, there's no denying the upside of this 6'10 small forward -- Ziaire Williams

24)Rockets (from Milwaukee): It's not a stretch to suggest that this combo guard possesses lottery-level talent -- Ayo Dosunmu

25)Clippers: An often overlooked floor general with tremendous on-court leadership skills, who can distribute the ball to the right personnel at the right time -- Jason Preston

26)Nuggets: A pure shooter? No, A pure scorer? One of the best that this draft has to offer, and an asset to the Nuggets second unit -- Cameron Thomas

27)Nets: Fills two needs: Bench production and a possible replacement for the likely-departing Spencer Dinwiddie -- Jaden Springer

28)76ers: This floor-stretching, switchable defender at 6'9" with a 7'3" swingman presents an intriguing option (as well as another frontcourt gun) playing next to or behind Joel Embiid -- JT Thor

29)Suns: Local hero with eye-popping upside provides additional wing depth -- Josh Christopher

30)Jazz: The playoff loss to the Clippers exposed the lack of a floor-stretching, switchable defending stretch four. The Jazz address that issue here. And what's more, gain another rim-protector in the process -- Usman Garuba

[Bourgeois Zee]

I had a mock draft ready to post, but it contained two players (Johnny Juzang and Max Abmas) who elected to return to school. With that in mind, the updated version:

1)Pistons: No explanation necessary -- Cade Cunningham.

2)Rockets: The rebuilding Rockets cannot focus upon possible positional redundancy at this point -- Evan Mobley

3)Cavaliers: Cavs reportedly covet Mobley, but land more shot-creation and playmaking ability -- Jalen Green

4)Raptors: A long-term backcourt solution, Kyle Lowry or no Kyle Lowry -- Jalen Suggs

5)Magic: Magic think long and hard about Kuminga here, and very likely come out ahead in the long run -- Scottie Barnes

6)Thunder: Scouts are divided about this selection's ceiling, but Thunder have nothing except time -- Jonathan Kuminga

7)Warriors (from T-Wolves): More dribble penetration, along with a well-rounded skillset, to further diversify the Warriors' attack -- Davion Mitchell

8)Magic (from Bulls): Magic gain a walking bucket, who was impressive during the combine -- James Bouknight

9)Kings: Not exactly a 'sexy' pick, but one that makes a ton of sense on so many levels -- Franz Wagner

10)Pelicans: A 3-and-D floor-spacing swingman to lessen the pressure on Zion -- Moses Moody

11)Hornets: Hornets resist the urge to reach for a big -- a need which they will later fill via free-agency -- and instead add another transitional weapon for Ball and company -- Keon Johnson

12)Spurs: If any franchise/culture can sap the tremendous potential of this selection, it's San Antonio -- Jalen Johnson

13)Pacers: McBuckets is an unrestricted free agent. And the second unit, with or without McBuckets, can't eschew more shooting -- Corey Kispert

14)Warriors: Having landed an immediate contributor with their previous pick, Bob Myers can afford to swing for the fences here -- Josh Giddey

15)Wizards: At last, a dependable third guard -- Chris Duarte

16)Thunder (from Boston): In time, possibly the type of solid floor-stretching, switchable-defending big that teams covet -- Kai Jones

17)Grizzlies: A 6'9" shooter, defender and all-around glue guy. And possibly the long-term answer at small forward -- Trey Murphy III

18)Thunder (from Miami): This uber-talented combo guard with a 6'9" wingspan is a strong candidate for the annual 'How in the hell did he fall so far in the draft?' award -- Nah'shon Hyland

19)Knicks: With Rose heading for free-agency, Knicks land additional backcourt scoring and shot-creation -- Tre Mann

20)Hawks: Assuming he's cleared to play (health issues), this is his absolute floor, and a perfect fit -- Jared Butler

21)Knicks (from Dallas): A center tag-team of Mitchell Robinson and this selection, who has been compared with a budding Domantas Sabonis, could eventually create havoc for opposing teams -- Alperen Sengun

22)Lakers: As for the reasoning for this selection, I echo the previous sentiments of adkindo -- Miles McBride

23)Rockets (from Portland): While he didn't exactly set the world on fire during his lone NCAA season, there's no denying the upside of this 6'10 small forward -- Ziaire Williams

24)Rockets (from Milwaukee): It's not a stretch to suggest that this combo guard possesses lottery-level talent -- Ayo Dosunmu

25)Clippers: An often overlooked floor general with tremendous on-court leadership skills, who can distribute the ball to the right personnel at the right time -- Jason Preston

26)Nuggets: A pure shooter? No, A pure scorer? One of the best that this draft has to offer, and an asset to the Nuggets second unit -- Cameron Thomas

27)Nets: Fills two needs: Bench production and a possible replacement for the likely-departing Spencer Dinwiddie -- Jaden Springer

28)76ers: This floor-stretching, switchable defender at 6'9" with a 7'3" swingman presents an intriguing option (as well as another frontcourt gun) playing next to or behind Joel Embiid -- JT Thor

29)Suns: Local hero with eye-popping upside provides additional wing depth -- Josh Christopher

30)Jazz: The playoff loss to the Clippers exposed the lack of a floor-stretching, switchable defending stretch four. The Jazz address that issue here. And what's more, gain another rim-protector in the process -- Usman Garuba

No Isaiah Jackson?

Daring choice, especially in that he shut down Combine work and hired an agent after an apparent 1st round promise.

[Bourgeois Zee]

Instead of doing a mock draft, I thought I'd go with 5 mock trades based around draft picks:

1. Cleveland trades Kevin Love, the third pick, and a future (protected) first rounder for John Wall and the second pick.
Love plays the wing shooter and pairs nicely with Christian Wood in the front court (if he can stay healthy). Houston picks Green to pair with Porter in the backcourt. Both are clear upgrades. All it costs is Mobley, who's too similar to Wood for a perfect fit, and the unwanted and bloated contract of John Wall.

2. Toronto gets James Wiseman, Andrew Wiggins, the 7th, the 14th, and an lightly protected 1st round pick for Pascal Siakam and the 4th pick.
In perhaps the biggest deal of the night, Toronto signals a complete rebuild, bringing in last year's number two pick and former top pick Wiggins, plus two high picks (a wing and a combo guard-- Mitchell and Murphy in my mock) for their All-NBA forward and the rights to Jalen Suggs. Warriors become instant contenders (assuming health).

3. Kings package Buddy Hield, Marvin Bagley, and the 9th pick for OKC's Kemba Walker and the 18th pick.
OKC needs shooting in the worst way imaginable, and Hield can provide that. They're also rebuilding and need talent. Bagley, for all his baggage, is that. The 9th pick is bonus for a team that was probably going to non-tender Walker anyway. (Now, the Kings will have to convince him to play-- which may be a chore.) The Kings-- selling low since 1957.

4. The Knicks package the 19th and 21st picks to move up to San Antonio's 12th pick.
New York needs bodies and shooting, so they naturally move up in order to draft Isaiah Jackson, C from Kentucky. Sigh. The Spurs see the value and make the deal, though that mid-round spot has been kind to San Antonio often.

5. The Sixers deal the 28th pick, a future unprotected first rounder, and Ben Simmons for Dame Lillard.
Biggest blockbuster on the day. Simmons moves to Portland (and changes positions) to strengthen their defense and help with ball movement. The 28th pick is incidental (as is the future pick, which will undoubtedly be in the late 20's), but helpful to build depth and maybe steal a guy who's dropped. (Bones Hyland, perhaps? Philly gets a lead ball handler and All-NBA guy who can win games nearly by himself. He won't play much D, but with the guys around him, he won't really need to, will he? Lillard makes Philly the team to beat in the East.

[Revering4Blue]

No Isaiah Jackson?

Daring choice, especially in that he shut down Combine work and hired an agent after an apparent 1st round promise.Much depends, IMO, on Mobley. Specifically, if Houston passes on him. If so, the Rockets will assuredly go big with one of their later two picks. I also anticipate NY doing the same, ditto with OKC.

And given the value/ceilings of players available, I'm just not envisioning Charlotte or San Antonio going big, need be damned. But who knows?

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[Ohayou]

I really like Isaiah Jackson. He reminds me of Kenneth Faried.

[Bourgeois Zee]

I really like Isaiah Jackson. He reminds me of Kenneth Faried.

Don't care for his game, but it's certain he's got a 1st round promise some where.

I'm guessing Knicks, Rockets, or Nets.

(The Nets would be an ideal landing spot for him, IMO. He'd do none of the heavy lifting and focus only on blocking shots, playing defense, and providing energy. Harden knows all about that-- Jackson as Capela Lite is a nice fit that late.)

[Rojo Rijo]

Who says no?

Orlando trades the #5, #33, and Terrence Ross to Golden State for the #7, James Wiseman and Jordan Poole.

Orlando looks to miss out on what they truly needed, the chance to draft Green, Cade, or Suggs. Barnes/Kuminga appears to be the pick but while both highly talented neither fit that star guard profile that the Magic desperately need. This trade gives them a potential star big in the making and the chance to draft two from that next level of prospects in the draft - Johnson, Bouknight, Mitchell, Kispert, Moody, Williams etc. If Orlando could come away from the draft with James Wiseman, Keon Johnson, Moses Moody, and Jordan Poole that would be quite the accomplishment.

Golden State would have to match salaries - Wiseman and Poole - to absorb Ross. They move up in the draft and take Scottie Barnes (if available - its likely) at #5 and add a veteran shooter off the bench in Ross. They also go from 4.5 and 3.0 million contract guarantees on the #7 and #14 to just 5.5 million on the #5, saving them 2 million. They then have the chance to draft a solid player at #33 (deep draft) without any contract guarantee. If they come away from the draft with Terrence Ross, Scottie Barnes, Zaire Williams, and Isaiah Jackson I think they're very happy. Barnes could contribute immediately off the bench, Williams has the size to provide minutes when others need rest/games off, and Jackson would be replacing Wiseman obviously with far less potential but still a very athletic and raw big. Ross would give Golden State the chance to create another nightmare lineup of Steph/Klay/Dray/Ross/Wiggins, plus Ross has the athleticism to get to the rack when the defense spreads itself to far.

The risk here for Orlando is Barnes becoming a superstar but Golden State is taking the same risk with Wiseman.

[adkindo]

Who says no?

Orlando trades the #5, #33, and Terrence Ross to Golden State for the #7, James Wiseman and Jordan Poole.

Orlando looks to miss out on what they truly needed, the chance to draft Green, Cade, or Suggs. Barnes/Kuminga appears to be the pick but while both highly talented neither fit that star guard profile that the Magic desperately need. This trade gives them a potential star big in the making and the chance to draft two from that next level of prospects in the draft - Johnson, Bouknight, Mitchell, Kispert, Moody, Williams etc. If Orlando could come away from the draft with James Wiseman, Keon Johnson, Moses Moody, and Jordan Poole that would be quite the accomplishment.

Golden State would have to match salaries - Wiseman and Poole - to absorb Ross. They move up in the draft and take Scottie Barnes (if available - its likely) at #5 and add a veteran shooter off the bench in Ross. They also go from 4.5 and 3.0 million contract guarantees on the #7 and #14 to just 5.5 million on the #5, saving them 2 million. They then have the chance to draft a solid player at #33 (deep draft) without any contract guarantee. If they come away from the draft with Terrence Ross, Scottie Barnes, Zaire Williams, and Isaiah Jackson I think they're very happy. Barnes could contribute immediately off the bench, Williams has the size to provide minutes when others need rest/games off, and Jackson would be replacing Wiseman obviously with far less potential but still a very athletic and raw big. Ross would give Golden State the chance to create another nightmare lineup of Steph/Klay/Dray/Ross/Wiggins, plus Ross has the athleticism to get to the rack when the defense spreads itself to far.

The risk here for Orlando is Barnes becoming a superstar but Golden State is taking the same risk with Wiseman.

I do not do it if I am Orlando because I think Wiseman's ceiling is a really good role player. Non-elite centers have such limited value, especially when they are not surrounded by elite talent. I can see Wiseman being good with a healthy Steph and Klay, but a less impactful player with Orlando's roster. Also, I really like Barnes.

[Bourgeois Zee]

The Warriors give up way too much in that deal, IMO.

Wiseman was the second pick in last year's draft. He's 19. He has more value (IMO) than Barnes-- by a fairly significant margin. The seventh pick and Jordan Poole, then, are far, far more valuable than Terrence Ross (who's okay, I guess, as a bench scorer) and the 33rd pick.

[M2]

The Warriors give up way too much in that deal, IMO.

Wiseman was the second pick in last year's draft. He's 19. He has more value (IMO) than Barnes-- by a fairly significant margin. The seventh pick and Jordan Poole, then, are far, far more valuable than Terrence Ross (who's okay, I guess, as a bench scorer) and the 33rd pick.

Also, the Warriors are shopping for a key component for a potential title run. Ross isn't that.

[BillDoran]

Also, the Warriors are shopping for a key component for a potential title run. Ross isn't that.

Yep. The Warriors appear to be a pretty smart organization. They know their title window is now. They know they need substantial improvements.

I'd be shocked to see the Warriors stand pat. I expect they'll acquire at least one star or two substantial upgrades. Wiseman seems like the likely cost of doing so.

[Rojo Rijo]

The Warriors give up way too much in that deal, IMO.

Wiseman was the second pick in last year's draft. He's 19. He has more value (IMO) than Barnes-- by a fairly significant margin. The seventh pick and Jordan Poole, then, are far, far more valuable than Terrence Ross (who's okay, I guess, as a bench scorer) and the 33rd pick.

Well, Wiseman was the #2 in a much weaker class. I don't see how he has significantly more value than a guy who is more versatile on both ends of the court. Barnes is 6'9 with a 7'2 wingspan, he can guard almost every position and offensively he can even run the offense, as passing is one of his best attributes. Wiseman has the better scoring profile but Golden State doesnt need more scoring. Between Steph, Klay, and Wiggins there won't be a ton of looks. There are even articles about how Barnes has Draymond ability.

Terrence Ross is one of the best bench shooters in the NBA. Golden State adding another marksman to play alongside the splash brothers would be a smart move. He allows them to be just as dangerous from the arc even when one of Steph or Klay are resting or out.

Poole and Wiseman match Ross's salary. If it needs to balance more then Orlando throws in their '22 first, top 10 protected in '22 and '23 and becomes a '23 and '24 second if not conveyed by '23.

[Rojo Rijo]

Yep. The Warriors appear to be a pretty smart organization. They know their title window is now. They know they need substantial improvements.

I'd be shocked to see the Warriors stand pat. I expect they'll acquire at least one star or two substantial upgrades. Wiseman seems like the likely cost of doing so.

He has to be. Their only other chips are Poole and their 2022 1st. They have already traded their 2024 1st so they can't trade away their 1st in 2023 or 2025.

Golden State is already slated to be 25.2 million over the luxury cap and that doesnt include options on Lee, Mulder, and Payton which would add another 5.6 million which would put them 30 million over the luxury cap. Im not sure how they plan on making any significant changes outside of the draft or signing aging vet stars to league minimum deals. They arent trading Steph, Klay, or Dray and Wiggins still carries a 2/65 million tag with him. Going to be difficult to move him in any deal without attaching something valuable to it or bringing back something another team needs to rid.

[Rojo Rijo]

Also, the Warriors are shopping for a key component for a potential title run. Ross isn't that.

Kevin Durant isnt walking through that door. Who are they expecting to get and how are they expecting to get them? I know teams have incredibly smart and talented individuals who manage and work the cap but they are pretty maxed out. Even if they tried to flip the 7 and 14 (one or both) they'd still have to move out salary, either Wiggins, or a combination of Wiseman and Looney.

[M2]

Kevin Durant isnt walking through that door. Who are they expecting to get and how are they expecting to get them? I know teams have incredibly smart and talented individuals who manage and work the cap but they are pretty maxed out. Even if they tried to flip the 7 and 14 (one or both) they'd still have to move out salary, either Wiggins, or a combination of Wiseman and Looney.

They'll get somebody pretty good. They'd be kind of fascinating if they could make Sabonis happen.

[adkindo]

The Warriors give up way too much in that deal, IMO.

Wiseman was the second pick in last year's draft. He's 19. He has more value (IMO) than Barnes-- by a fairly significant margin. The seventh pick and Jordan Poole, then, are far, far more valuable than Terrence Ross (who's okay, I guess, as a bench scorer) and the 33rd pick.

Wiseman would not be sniffing #2 in this years draft....nor would he be #2 in a redraft.

[Betterread]

Wiseman would not be sniffing #2 in this years draft....nor would he be #2 in a redraft.

That is low hanging fruit. Not sure Wiseman would be top 10 in a redraft…for last year. Where would estimate Edwards and Ball would be picked in this year’s draft?

[M2]

Wiseman would not be sniffing #2 in this years draft....nor would he be #2 in a redraft.

I'm thinking he'd go #5 in this draft. His per 36 was 19.3/9.7 with 1.6 blocks. Also, I'm not wild about the cliff in this draft after the #4 pick.

[adkindo]

That is low hanging fruit. Not sure Wiseman would be top 10 in a redraft…for last year. Where would estimate Edwards and Ball would be picked in this year’s draft?

I think Ball has a pretty strong case for #1 if it is based on what we know from last year. Are any of this years guys going to put up 16/6/6 (Per 36 numbers of 20/8/8) and shoot 35% from 3 as a 6'6" guard that can play on and off ball? If you watch LaMelo, he is still very raw but he has the ability to change a game beyond the boxscore numbers with his ability to play at pace and move the ball. I think Edwards would likely go in the #7-#10 range. Wiseman probably in a similar range. In regards to Wiseman, it would depend on how many teams would be willing the draft a more traditional Center in the lottery, as he would clearly be behind Mobley.

[Betterread]

I think Ball has a pretty strong case for #1 if it is based on what we know from last year. Are any of this years guys going to put up 16/6/6 (Per 36 numbers of 20/8/8) and shoot 35% from 3 as a 6'6" guard that can play on and off ball? If you watch LaMelo, he is still very raw but he has the ability to change a game beyond the boxscore numbers with his ability to play at pace and move the ball. I think Edwards would likely go in the #7-#10 range. Wiseman probably in a similar range. In regards to Wiseman, it would depend on how many teams would be willing the draft a more traditional Center in the lottery, as he would clearly be behind Mobley.
Interesting take. I am curious to see if Cunningham, Mosley and Suggs will have stronger rookie years than Ball, Edwards and Wiseman.
I am surprised Green has passed Suggs. Whatever the stats say, GS is down on Wiseman. Down as in they will trade him before a decision on his first three years.

[Bourgeois Zee]

Well, Wiseman was the #2 in a much weaker class. I don't see how he has significantly more value than a guy who is more versatile on both ends of the court. Barnes is 6'9 with a 7'2 wingspan, he can guard almost every position and offensively he can even run the offense, as passing is one of his best attributes. Wiseman has the better scoring profile but Golden State doesnt need more scoring. Between Steph, Klay, and Wiggins there won't be a ton of looks. There are even articles about how Barnes has Draymond ability.

Terrence Ross is one of the best bench shooters in the NBA. Golden State adding another marksman to play alongside the splash brothers would be a smart move. He allows them to be just as dangerous from the arc even when one of Steph or Klay are resting or out.

Poole and Wiseman match Ross's salary. If it needs to balance more then Orlando throws in their '22 first, top 10 protected in '22 and '23 and becomes a '23 and '24 second if not conveyed by '23.

We disagree pretty strongly on the value of Wiseman and Barnes.

Barnes is a phenomenal defensive player, but there are serious questions about all of his offensive game. Those types of players tend to struggle for years to establish/ learn how to help on the offensive side.


We also disagree on the value of Ross.

His offensive rating last year was 103. For his career, he's at 105. Defensively, he was a sieve (115 last season).

The Warriors, as a championship-chasing club, can find that on the open market for cheaper than Ross's $12.5M-- and have the draft picks and players to get it too.
Wiseman, for all his warts, has a floor of what he provided last season. Which is much more than I think Barnes will provide over the next couple of years.

[adkindo]

Wiseman, for all his warts, has a floor of what he provided last season. Which is much more than I think Barnes will provide over the next couple of years.

I am not sure if you are correct or incorrect, but I do think there is a ton of nuance in those situations depending on where Barnes lands. I think Wiseman benefits and will continue to benefit if he remains with GSW to play with guys like Steph and Draymond....those two guys are just going to make easier to highlight his strengths while hiding his weaknesses. If Barnes lands with Orlando or another non playoff team, he will not have that luxury.

[Rojo Rijo]

We disagree pretty strongly on the value of Wiseman and Barnes.

Barnes is a phenomenal defensive player, but there are serious questions about all of his offensive game. Those types of players tend to struggle for years to establish/ learn how to help on the offensive side.


We also disagree on the value of Ross.

His offensive rating last year was 103. For his career, he's at 105. Defensively, he was a sieve (115 last season).

The Warriors, as a championship-chasing club, can find that on the open market for cheaper than Ross's $12.5M-- and have the draft picks and players to get it too.
Wiseman, for all his warts, has a floor of what he provided last season. Which is much more than I think Barnes will provide over the next couple of years.

Barnes grades high with ball handling, passing, and ability to attack the rim. I'll give you his shooting but that's it, the rest of his offensive game grades out well.

Ross is not winning any DPOY awards and he's far from it but you give him open 3s with the spacing that team will provide him and his offensive rating would be higher. He's nowhere near a star player but he's a solid veteran who can be lethal from outside and still has enough athleticism to attack the rim. He averaged 15.6 PPG shooting 41%/34%/85%.

The Warriors better outbid the others for Lillard, cause there don't seem to be too many stars on the move this offseason and they can't make any big FA signings.

[Revering4Blue]

Did Butler ever get medical clearance?

Great news on that front!

Baylor guard Jared Butler medically cleared to play in NBA

https://therookiewire.usatoday.com/2021/07/17/baylor-jared-butler-medically-cleared/

[Bourgeois Zee]

Great news on that front!

Baylor guard Jared Butler medically cleared to play in NBA

https://therookiewire.usatoday.com/2021/07/17/baylor-jared-butler-medically-cleared/

I think he's a sleeper great fit for just about every team. Great defense, great shooting. Secondary playmaker who also rebounds fairly well. A little loose with the ball, but in the more open NBA, that shouldn't be too big of an issue. Really like his fit in today's NBA.

[Bourgeois Zee]

Barnes grades high with ball handling, passing, and ability to attack the rim. I'll give you his shooting but that's it, the rest of his offensive game grades out well.

Barnes' shot isn't just below average-- it's broken. He shot around 50% from the free throw line in his one season at FSU. That usually augers at least a three-year struggle to fix mechanics, break down old habits, and learn to shoot better. Most of the time, that doesn't work.

Now, I'm not saying he can't do it. But there's enough doubt there, for me, to keep him out of my top 10 list in a draft year seemingly filled with solid to above average rotational players.

More than that, Barnes' fit in Golden State is much poorer than Wiseman's. They're a team that's competing to win championships now. Why take on a less experienced developmental project when they'd be giving up on one just as highly rated, more experienced, playing the position in which they have a massive need?

[M2]

I think he's a sleeper great fit for just about every team. Great defense, great shooting. Secondary playmaker who also rebounds fairly well. A little loose with the ball, but in the more open NBA, that shouldn't be too big of an issue. Really like his fit in today's NBA.

He's almost assuredly going to be one of those picks that makes you wonder what teams that passed on him were thinking.

[adkindo]

looks good in PnG....

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E6h_kO1VoAAJLJd?format=jpg&name=small

[Bourgeois Zee]

Anyone have a personal mock draft yet (aside from the one already posted)?

I'm torn as to whether we should include hypothetical trades or just pick players.

[M2]

Anyone have a personal mock draft yet (aside from the one already posted)?

I'm torn as to whether we should include hypothetical trades or just pick players.

I like the hypothetical trades. If you're going to mock, go full mock.

[M2]

General thoughts:

1. It's going to be easier to build a team around Jalen Suggs than Evan Mobley or Jalen Green. He's the guy who's going to run your team and get the most out of the pieces around him. Look no farther than the NBA finals for an example of two teams with high PG IQ. Toronto probably can't believe its luck because it looks like Suggs is going to fall into their laps.

2. Kuminga seems the most likely to be an outright bust.

3. Davion Mitchell makes more sense to me on Orlando than on Golden State. The Warriors need some length (Franz Wagner or Josh Giddey might be good fits). Orlando needs a culture reset. Handing the keys over to Mitchell would be a good start.

4. If New Orleans passes on Moses Moody they're hopeless.

5. Age is a real bad reason to pass on a shooter as good as Chris Duarte.

6. OKC should be balling up all three of its first rounders in an effort to move into the top four, and Houston and Cleveland have bare enough cupboards that they should give that move serious consideration.

[Rojo Rijo]

Word is both Toronto and Orlando have made offers to move up to #3 and the Cavs have received significant interest from teams for that pick.

[Bourgeois Zee]

BZ's Semi-Annual 2021 NBA Mock Draft

1. Detroit: Cade Cunningham
No need to overthink this. In a draft filled with what appear to be very good prospects, he's the best of the lot. Detroit might entertain offers, but I doubt anyone gives them the type of goods to actually make a deal make sense. Cunningham gives the Pistons a ball-dominant lead scorer and playmaker who actually plays some semblance of defense.

2. Houston: Jalen Green
The Rockets try to trade down, but only within the top echelon. Neither Cleveland nor Toronto call their bluff, so they make the upside play in Green. He's a great fit on a team that has two playmaking wings and Christian Wood as its base. That could well be a nice base from which to chase free agents. Green and Porter are going to be turnover-prone, and one of them has to find the desire to defend. (At least.) But I really like Green's fit here.

3. Toronto: Evan Mobley
TRADE ALERT Raps make a blockbuster deal with Cleveland and New York. (Knicks give RJ Barrett and their 19th pick to Toronto and receive Collin Sexton from Cleveland and Rodney Hood's desiccated corpse from Toronto. Cleveland ships Kevin Love to Toronto and gets Pascal Siakam and Malachi Flynn from Toronto.) Nice fit for the Raptors here, as they draft Mobley. He's a Serge Ibaka clone who should be able to knock down shots out to 15 feet right now and supply some rim protection while defending at a fairly high level from about January on. He won't need plays run for him, is a willing passer, and should fit Nick Nurse's offense like a glove. Really like this fit.

3. Cleveland: Jalen Suggs
And suddenly, Cleveland has a really interesting team. Siakam's a phenomenal get as the scorer and playmaker they need, and he falls into their lap a bit here. Not only that, Suggs can replace just about everything Sexton does well-- and also do all the things he did poorly better. His fit next to Garland is nearly perfect, and a starting five of Jarrett Allen (who'd have to be kept, even with a massive overpay), Siakam, Okoro, Suggs, and Garland could be a top four seed in a couple of seasons. Shorter if Suggs proves precocious.

5. Orlando: Scottie Barnes
Rumors afloat say that the Magic are enamored with Barnes. I don't like the fit, as he's a long, long way from being a contributor offensively-- his jump shot will need to be reworked completely. And the Magic desperately need guys who can score. You can find a dozen guys who can guard forwards and big guards, but what do I know? I'm just a fan.

6. Philadelphia: James Bouknight
TRADE ALERT Philly makes a gamble that Kemba still has it, trading its 28th pick, Mytisse Thybulle, and Ben Simmons for the 6th pick, a future number one, Kemba Walker, and Luguentz Dort. They then pick Bouknight to provide some second unit playmaking. The key here, obviously, is Walker. He helps them win now and, IMO, is a much better fit for the Sixers than Simmons. Bouknight teams with Maxey on the second unit to form an all-energy scoring unit that'll be fun to watch. Dort will play the Tony Allen role (though he can shoot far better). Like the deal for both teams.

7. Golden State: Jonathan Kuminga
Kuminga's mini-slide stops here, as he's too enticing as a possible defensive stopper and secondary playmaker. Golden State is playing for the future with this pick and Wiseman-- a wise strategy considering the age of Curry, Green, and Thompson. Kuminga learns on the job as a second unit Draymond Green PF clone. He'll need a year or two, but if he can learn shot selection, he's a solid fit.

8. Orlando: Keon Johnson
Orlando has a type. That type includes long arms, elite athleticism, and questionable jumpers. Johnson is Scottie Barnes without the defensive reputation. Monster athleticism, he's an upside pick that'll take a couple of years to develop-- if he does. Not my cup of tea, but it is what it is.

9. New Orleans: Moses Moody
TRADE ALERT Sacramento trades Buddy Hield and Marvin Bagley to NOLA for Steven Adams and a switch of first round picks, getting rid of two malcontents while filling a need at center (by overpaying in prospect, talent, and trade capital because KAINGZ!) NOLA wants Moody and sees him as Mykal Bridges Lite. They may be right. It's a great pick to balance out a team that's younger and more talented. If the GM doesn't screw it up.

10 Sacramento: Franz Wagner
Wagner should be solid defensively. He might be solid as a shooter-- if he works on that low release. I like his willingness as a passer, though he tried to do too much in college. As a tertiary playmaker, he could be fine. It's not what I'd do, but it's the most Kings thing to do.

11. Charlotte: Alperen Sengun
Again, it's not what I'd do, but I think this is what Charlotte will do. Sengun's put up some remarkable numbers in Turkey, and the big man is having a bit of a mini-Renaissance. Instead of paying through the nose for Richaun Holmes, the Hornets will grab Sengun and see if he's for real. It's a defensible upside pick.

12. San Antonio: Davion Mitchell
The Spurs aren't stupid. They know a value when they see one, and Mitchell is a phenomenal value at number 12. He can play either guard spot, and, with Keldon Johnson's Olympic play a catalyst for a jump in production, Mitchell and Johnson form a more than capable wing component post-DeRozan. Mitchell's a scorer, defender, passer, and rebounder. He is, in this spot, a great bet for the All-Rookie 1st Team.

13. Indiana: Corey Kispert
The Pacers also have a type, and Kispert is a great fit here. He can fill the Dougie McBuckets role as a shoot-first 3-and-D guy (who, in this lineup, isn't really required to D all that much). He's a win-now guy too. If Lamb, LeVert, and Warren are healthy, he's kind of superfluous, but when has that ever happened in Indiana?

14. Washington: Kai Jones
TRADE ALERT Golden State, attempting to win it all, deals this pick and Andrew Wiggins to Washington for Davis Bertans and Thomas Bryant. While neither plays anything resembling defense, both are excellent shooters at their positions and should make the Warriors an incredibly interesting team. The Wiz can now play a bit smaller, with Daniel Gafford given as much time as he deserves (to see if he's for real). Jones becomes a PF/ C defense-first guy whose upside is massive. I think he'll play more PF but can toggle between the two right now and not kill his team.

15. New York: Trey Murphy
TRADE ALERT The Knicks package both later first rounders to move up to draft Murphy. They see an elite catch-and-shoot wing who pairs nicely with Sexton, Randle, and perhaps Toppin. (I'm waiting for the Knicks to realize that Toppin and Randle can play together with Toppin as a small ball center. It may take another year.) Murphy becomes the shooter they needed last season, when Reggie Bullock couldn't make one in the post-season.

16. Oklahoma City: Jalen Johnson
OKC goes upside with Jalen Johnson. He's got all the tools, and the Thunder need guys wings who can shoot. Will he stick it out? I'm guessing SGA can help him a bit here, as can the Thunder development people. I like this pick for this team at this point. Johnson will have a lot to prove-- and I think he might. (Duke and Coach K aren't for everyone.)

17. Memphis: Josh Giddey
Another upside play here, Giddey will need some time to develop. He doesn't have a shot yet and will need to experience the speed with which the NBA plays, but he's a 6'9" PG who can handle, pass, and rebound. I like him as a second unit point forward, a la Paul Pressey. Memphis needs wings, but he's too talented to let slip.

18. Oklahoma City: Chris Duarte
OKC needs shooters, and Duarte might be the best one in the draft. He's also a good (and willing) defender. Reminds me of Tyler Herro. Best for Duarte, he has a role as a starter for OKC. Speaking of, the Thunder would have a starting five of SGA, Duarte, Johnson, Simmons, and Poku. That's an All-NBA Pass Team. They'd lead the league in TOs, assists, and highlight reels.

19. Washington: Usman Garuba
Garuba has a high floor and should be among the better defenders in the league from the day he's signed. Reminds me of Ben Wallace, in terms of motor, aggressiveness, and willingness to do the dirty work. Unfortunately, he's also similar to Wallace offensively. Still, with Jones (not to mention holdovers Hachimura and Gafford), Garuba will create a formidable frontline of willing defenders for Washington.

20. Portland: Jared Butler
TRADE ALERT The biggest deal of the night is a true blockbuster. The Blazers give up Dame Time for the 20th pick, DeAndre Hunter, and the rights to John Collins (signed to a $22+M contract with escalators). It's a re-tooling, of sorts, but may make them better, as they pick a great combo guard, Butler, who's going to guard people, can shoot from all three areas, and should be a help from day one. Like the deal for both squads... If Trae Young's willing to share.

21. Washington: Cam Thomas
Thomas is a scorer. He's Lou Williams with even less conscience-- and even less of a desire to play defense. He might average double figures his first season, but his defense will determine his value. In other words, he's what would happen if you cloned Russell Westbrook and Bradley Beal together.

22. Los Angeles: Trey Mann
Mann's been a bit under the radar, and that works well for the Lakers. He's a shooter who has the tools to be good defensively as well. Nice value here.

23. Houston: Sharife Cooper
Undersized PGs don't end up very valuable most of the time. Especially those who struggle to shoot. But Cooper has fantastic change of direction and might be a solid second unit guy for awhile. Meh pick. At this point, just about anything the Rockets do helps their roster. They're building depth here.

24. Houston: Charles Bassey
The Rockets surprise with the addition of Bassey, an oft-injured but productive big (emphasis on BIG) from WKU. He's got really soft hands, a penchant for rebounding, and can score from a variety of post moves. This (and the likely re-signing of Olynyk) allows Wood to defend the smaller of the two frontcourt players Houston plays. That should save some minutes for their would-be second star.

25. LA Clippers: Bones Hyland
All Hyland has done is dominate scrimmages, according to sources around NBA circles. The Clippers have everything (assuming Kawhi stays put), but that dog PG. Perhaps he's it. He's worth the shot this low. I like the gamble here.

26. Denver: Joe Wieskamp
The Nuggets need shooters and ball handlers. Wieskamp is perhaps the best shooter in the draft. He'll get lots of open looks and could surprise in terms of production. This is a little higher than most project him, but shooting is at a premium, and he fits Denver's need now (with Murray hurt) and perhaps later (as Porter's backup).

27. Brooklyn: Isaiah Jackson
In this mock, Jackson is a big slider, and the Nets get a lottery talent way lower than he should be drafted. The Nets need some defense and rim protection, and Jackson is an energy/ defense jumping jack who'll luck into two or three dunks and blocks a night-- and probably foul out in 10 minutes. He's Mitchell Robinson Redux. Given the right coaching and development, he's a great pick this low. He fits the Nets like no other team in the game, as they won't ever ask him to do much of anything other than what he already does well-- rebound, block shots, defend, and run like hell.

28. Oklahoma City: Day'Ron Sharpe
OKC rounds out its draft with a weakness-- a big center. Poku could fake it... if he gained 50 lbs. (No, check that. Poku might break the world if he gained 50 lbs.) Simmons could be a next-gen rich man's/ better version of Bam at center too. (I want that so much.) But OKC is a bit more orthodox in its lineup construction, so they settle on the former Tar Heel. Sharpe provides good hands and a massive frame. If nothing more, he's six (hard) fouls. With work, he could end up like another former UNC player, Brendan Haywood.

29. Phoenix: Jaden Springer
Springer is likely to replace Cam Payne on the roster (JeVon Carter, IMO, takes most of Payne's minutes.) That's a good fit for the Suns, as they'll need his legs. Could play dividends as early as next season-- Chris Paul is 115 in NBA player years. He can't shoot yet, but Phoenix seems to figure that out. Good with the ball, Springer showed improvement all season and really doesn't belong this low in a typical draft. He's a steal this low.

30. Utah: Ziaire Williams
Things couldn't have worked out more perfectly for Utah if they scripted it. Williams is a lottery talent who slides to the last pick in the first round-- where he'll almost immediately get an opportunity for real minutes on a championship-caliber club. Best of all for Williams, it's in the west. He may need some time, but Quin Snyder will figure out how to use Williams well early, then as a possible difference-maker in year two.

[Ohayou]

Big fan of Bassey and Wieskamp. I could see them sneaking into the first. Another guy to watch is Aaron Wiggins, who sort of reminds me of Anthony Edwards.

[Bourgeois Zee]

Big fan of Bassey and Wieskamp. I could see them sneaking into the first. Another guy to watch is Aaron Wiggins, who sort of reminds me of Anthony Edwards.

Quentin Grimes is getting some first round love too.

[SteelSD]

BZ's Semi-Annual 2021 NBA Mock Draft

6. Philadelphia: James Bouknight
TRADE ALERT Philly makes a gamble that Kemba still has it, trading its 28th pick, Mytisse Thybulle, and Ben Simmons for the 6th pick, a future number one, Kemba Walker, and Luguentz Dort. They then pick Bouknight to provide some second unit playmaking. The key here, obviously, is Walker. He helps them win now and, IMO, is a much better fit for the Sixers than Simmons. Bouknight teams with Maxey on the second unit to form an all-energy scoring unit that'll be fun to watch. Dort will play the Tony Allen role (though he can shoot far better). Like the deal for both teams.

I appreciate all the work you put into that post- it was a really fun read. That being said, if Philly does something like this, I'd expect Embiid to demand a trade in short order. Prime-age, healthy Kemba might be a decent target, but his knees may just be shot. Dort didn't shoot well last season at all (47% shooting Efficiency last season, 34.3% from beyond the arc). Bouknight posted a three-point percentage in college of sub-30% (29.3%) last season. I watched a bunch of film on him as he'd maybe be a target at 28 (although, yes, he's recently been climbing in some mocks). I didn't see anything resembling a real handle and he was used way too much in the dunker spot for my tastes. The guy smells a bit too much like Zhaire Smith; the basketball version of an "If he hits..." prospect. I wouldn't give up Simmons by himself for that kind of return, and absolutely wouldn't be throwing in Thybulle.

If Philly can't get in on someone like Lillard, Beal, or LaVine (maybe McCollum...maybe), they need to wait.

[M2]

Big trade between the Pelicans and the Grizz.

New Orleans sent Eric Bledsoe, Steven Adams, picks #10 and #40 in this draft and the Laker's top 10 protected 1st rounder next season in exchange for Jonas Valanciunas and picks #17 and #51 in this draft.

First impression is I like the deal for New Orleans a lot more than Memphis. Valanciunas is the best player in the deal and I think he'll slot in next to Zion much better than Adams. They also have some cash to spend on free agents. The Grizz immediately get worse and have less cash on hand. It's also hard to imagine the difference between picks 10 and 17 is going to net them much extra in the way of near-term help.

[UKFlounder]

I’ve read that Bledsoe don’t remain in Memphis but did not see anything about his next destination. He certainly has learned NBA geography in the past 12 years.



Big trade between the Pelicans and the Grizz.

New Orleans sent Eric Bledsoe, Steven Adams, picks #10 and #40 in this draft and the Laker's top 10 protected 1st rounder next season in exchange for Jonas Valanciunas and picks #17 and #51 in this draft.

First impression is I like the deal for New Orleans a lot more than Memphis. Valanciunas is the best player in the deal and I think he'll slot in next to Zion much better than Adams. They also have some cash to spend on free agents. The Grizz immediately get worse and have less cash on hand. It's also hard to imagine the difference between picks 10 and 17 is going to net them much extra in the way of near-term help.

[M2]

I’ve read that Bledsoe don’t remain in Memphis but did not see anything about his next destination. He certainly has learned NBA geography in the past 12 years.

Moving him along would make sense as he's got nowhere to play on Memphis except as a wildly overpaid backup. Though that's a big sucker the Grizz have on the line if someone is willing to take Bledsoe.

[RichRed]

I have nothing to add about the draft, other than to say that Moses Moody is an All-NBA caliber name.

[BillDoran]

I’ve read that Bledsoe don’t remain in Memphis but did not see anything about his next destination. He certainly has learned NBA geography in the past 12 years.

Sam Presti is having his locker tag made as we speak. His modest request: All your draft picks.

[Bourgeois Zee]

Moving him along would make sense as he's got nowhere to play on Memphis except as a wildly overpaid backup. Though that's a big sucker the Grizz have on the line if someone is willing to take Bledsoe.

If they choose to buy him out, Bledsoe would make all sorts of sense with the Clippers.

[M2]

If they choose to buy him out, Bledsoe would make all sorts of sense with the Clippers.

That is a heavy hit to carry on your books all for a marginal draft pick improvement this season and a Lakers pick next season that probably isn't going to be very sexy.

[Bourgeois Zee]

That is a heavy hit to carry on your books all for a marginal draft pick improvement this season and a Lakers pick next season that probably isn't going to be very sexy.

Would it be better if the Grizzlies dealt him to the Clippers for Luke Kennard and a couple lesser contracts?

[M2]

Would it be better if the Grizzlies dealt him to the Clippers for Luke Kennard and a couple lesser contracts?

Bad contract challenge trade!

I kind of like it. Kennard could be the guy who gets easy shot because you forgot about him while Ja Morant does Ja Morant things. And the Clips could use an anonymous PG like Bledsoe.

[M2]

Don't know where else to put this, but is anybody else watching Olympic basketball and thinking the ball looks like a pretzel bite?

[adkindo]

Givony's new mock has Orlando getting Barnes @ #5 and Kuminga @ #8....that would be very good for Orlando.

[Bourgeois Zee]

Givony's new mock has Orlando getting Barnes @ #5 and Kuminga @ #8....that would be very good for Orlando.

Maybe.

Neither is a good shooter at all.

They'll defend, of course. But Orlando needs guys who can fill it up. Last season, they ranked 30 in field goal percentage-- and that was with Aaron Gordon, Evan Fournier, and Nicola Vucevic. Okeke, Ross, Anthony, Fultz, Bamba, Hampton, Garry Harris-- none of them have shown a penchant for shooting well. Adding two more would be a difficult ask of an offense that labors even under the best of circumstances.

I'd package them to move up in order to draft Jalen Green (if possible). If that didn't work, I'd move down or just draft a shooter with at least one of the picks. There are lots to choose from-- Davion Mitchell, Chris Duarte, Moritz's little bro, Corey Kispert.

[Betterread]

Bledsoe and the Knicks are destined to be together.
Jaylen Green, Evan Mobley and Jaden Springer are three prospects in this year’s draft that I think have a good combination of skill and physical projection. Of course their development will depend on which organizations draft them, their coachability and luck (injuries, opportunities for playing time, etc).

[M2]

Maybe.

Neither is a good shooter at all.

That was my first reaction. Haven't the Magic had enough of "he'll be great if he learns to shoot" guys?

[Bourgeois Zee]

Bledsoe and the Knicks are destined to be together.

I actually like Bledsoe as a PG for the Knicks.

He's far better than Elfrid Payton and could play that role well.

They'd need him cheap, though.

[Bourgeois Zee]

That was my first reaction. Haven't the Magic had enough of "he'll be great if he learns to shoot" guys?

That's been their entire drafting philosophy for a decade.

I think Courtney Lee was their last draftee who didn't have questions about his shot. That was 2008.

[Rojo Rijo]

That's been their entire drafting philosophy for a decade.

I think Courtney Lee was their last draftee who didn't have questions about his shot. That was 2008.

In the 11 years since we drafted Lee we have only drafted 4 real guards - Oladipo, Liggins, Tyler Harvey, and Anthony.

Even if you did include every draft pick since Lee only 4 out of 23 picks have been guards and only 2 of 11 1sts have been guards.

[Bourgeois Zee]

In the 11 years since we drafted Lee we have only drafted 4 real guards - Oladipo, Liggins, Tyler Harvey, and Anthony.

Even if you did include every draft pick since Lee only 4 out of 23 picks have been guards and only 2 of 11 1sts have been guards.

The forwards and centers had major questions about their offensive games as well. Even those-- like Sabonis-- who've worked out well have needed to develop into shooters over the course of their careers.

[adkindo]

Maybe.

Neither is a good shooter at all.

They'll defend, of course. But Orlando needs guys who can fill it up. Last season, they ranked 30 in field goal percentage-- and that was with Aaron Gordon, Evan Fournier, and Nicola Vucevic. Okeke, Ross, Anthony, Fultz, Bamba, Hampton, Garry Harris-- none of them have shown a penchant for shooting well. Adding two more would be a difficult ask of an offense that labors even under the best of circumstances.

I'd package them to move up in order to draft Jalen Green (if possible). If that didn't work, I'd move down or just draft a shooter with at least one of the picks. There are lots to choose from-- Davion Mitchell, Chris Duarte, Moritz's little bro, Corey Kispert.

I disagree....the Magic are near ground zero in their rebuild. They should be focused on the highest upside guys possible. This is not about winning games this year or next....this is about finding a future All Star or even Superstar. Both of these guys have All Star level ceilings....and even though Kuminga clearly has a "bust" floor, the risk is worth it at this point in the rebuild. In two years, maybe they need to become a little more conservative with their swings, but I think this is the exact time to have pure freedom with big swings.

[Bourgeois Zee]

I disagree....the Magic are near ground zero in their rebuild. They should be focused on the highest upside guys possible. This is not about winning games this year or next....this is about finding a future All Star or even Superstar. Both of these guys have All Star level ceilings....and even though Kuminga clearly has a "bust" floor, the risk is worth it at this point in the rebuild. In two years, maybe they need to become a little more conservative with their swings, but I think this is the exact time to have pure freedom with big swings.

We disagree in our philosophies.

I'm targeting upside All-Star level guys who have higher floors with at least one of those picks. To be clear, I'm okay with one upside pick of Barnes or Kuminga, but not both. Targeting, say, Barnes and Moses Moody strikes me as the best choice for both this year and the rebuild in general.

Were I the Magic GM, I'd probably look to trade up or down with those two top 10 picks. I'd also look to see who wanted Terrence Ross. (I'd call the Lakers about a sign-and-trade with THT to gauge interest there, if possible.) There are a ton of other options, as they should be in the catbird seat when other teams want to trade up. (The Knicks might be a prime team, but I'd want a lightly protected 2022 first rounder and their 21st pick this year instead of the two picks in 2021. OKC would be another option.)

[Rojo Rijo]

Updates:

Detroit announced they will select Cade Cunningham #1 overall tonight

New York interested in trading for Terrence Ross. Could potentially send one of their two 1sts (19/21) to Orlando.

Lakers look to package the #22 along with Kuzma, potentially for Buddy Hield but sounds like Harrell would also be in the deal

Sixers are looking across the league for a Simmons suitor. The price is steep (likened to the Harden package). If that's the case I wouldnt expect many suitors. Philadelphia needs to stop pretending that Simmons is a superstar.

[adkindo]

We disagree in our philosophies.

I'm targeting upside All-Star level guys who have higher floors with at least one of those picks. To be clear, I'm okay with one upside pick of Barnes or Kuminga, but not both. Targeting, say, Barnes and Moses Moody strikes me as the best choice for both this year and the rebuild in general.

Were I the Magic GM, I'd probably look to trade up or down with those two top 10 picks. I'd also look to see who wanted Terrence Ross. (I'd call the Lakers about a sign-and-trade with THT to gauge interest there, if possible.) There are a ton of other options, as they should be in the catbird seat when other teams want to trade up. (The Knicks might be a prime team, but I'd want a lightly protected 2022 first rounder and their 21st pick this year instead of the two picks in 2021. OKC would be another option.)

I think one of our differences is how we view Barnes....I think I view his floor higher than you do.

[adkindo]

Lakers look to package the #22 along with Kuzma, potentially for Buddy Hield but sounds like Harrell would also be in the deal

Cleveland 2.0....just always shuffling the deck chairs so Lebron has an excuse. I can't wait until he is no longer a Laker.

[Bourgeois Zee]

I think one of our differences is how we view Barnes....I think I view his floor higher than you do.

How highly do you view his floor?

[Bourgeois Zee]

New York interested in trading for Terrence Ross. Could potentially send one of their two 1sts (19/21) to Orlando.

Probably not a bad deal for both teams. The Knicks need a guy who can get tough buckets. Orlando needs more young talent.


Lakers look to package the #22 along with Kuzma, potentially for Buddy Hield but sounds like Harrell would also be in the deal

That's a no-brainer for Sacramento. (And a sneaky good deal for LA. Especially after they get five or six veterans on minimum contracts to chase a ring with LeBron.) Both Harrell and Kuzma could be starters with Fox, Haliburton, and Barnes.

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Cleveland 2.0....just always shuffling the deck chairs so Lebron has an excuse. I can't wait until he is no longer a Laker.

Right, because all he did was lead your favorite team to a championship...

:rolleyes:

[adkindo]

How highly do you view his floor?

He will be a contributor in the league for over a decade even if he never becomes an above average shooter.

[Bourgeois Zee]

He will be a contributor in the league for over a decade even if he never becomes an above average shooter.

I agree that he will "contribute."

I view his floor contributions similar to those of MKG-- second division starter as long as his elite athleticism holds out, barely playable after that.

[adkindo]

Right, because all he did was lead your favorite team to a championship...

:rolleyes:

16, 17....what does it really matter if you do not enjoy the players and direction of the team? I find him to be one of the most repulsive people to ever wear PnG. He is all about pointing fingers.

[Bourgeois Zee]

16, 17....what does it really matter if you do not enjoy the players and direction of the team? I find him to be one of the most repulsive people to ever wear PnG. He is all about pointing fingers.

Your politics flavor your fandom.

Methinks you never heard Jerry West or Kareem speak on civil rights.

(Or, at that time, you were able to separate them easier.)

[BillDoran]

16, 17....what does it really matter if you do not enjoy the players and direction of the team? I find him to be one of the most repulsive people to ever wear PnG. He is all about pointing fingers.

One of the five best basketball players ever is leading your favorite team to a title, and you're not enjoying it?

Calling him "repulsive"? He's a basketball player, not Muammar Gaddafi.

Sounds you like you have a personal LeBron problem, buddy.

[Slyder]

I know the Lakers have been tied to Deuce McBride from WVU but anyone know where he might end up?

[Revering4Blue]

How highly do you view his floor?

Barnes' floor comp: A shooting-deprived Boris Diaw.

Barnes' ceiling comp (not saying he'll reach this ceiling): Ben Simmon's draft '16 ceiling.

Barnes' "happy medium" comp: A cross between the Warriors version of Billy Owens - before injuries began to curtail his career - and Draymond Green.

FWIW, there are whispers that Toronto will select Barnes. Anyone buying that?

[Revering4Blue]

I know the Lakers have been tied to Deuce McBride from WVU but anyone know where he might end up?

Anywhere from #20 to Atlanta (if they don't trade up) to early second round.

[M2]

I disagree....the Magic are near ground zero in their rebuild. They should be focused on the highest upside guys possible. This is not about winning games this year or next....this is about finding a future All Star or even Superstar. Both of these guys have All Star level ceilings....and even though Kuminga clearly has a "bust" floor, the risk is worth it at this point in the rebuild. In two years, maybe they need to become a little more conservative with their swings, but I think this is the exact time to have pure freedom with big swings.

Seems like a "let's be terrible forever" plan. What they ought to be doing is offering Toronto or Cleveland whatever it takes to get Suggs and then letting him run what hopefully evolves into a basketball team rather than a collection of guys with great vertical leaps.

[M2]

Michael Carter-Williams strikes me as a realistic comp for Scottie Barnes. MCW is a useful bench dude - defends multiple positions, distributes, rebounds well. It's just that his scoring ability is severely lacking. Sounds kind of like Barnes. Obviously Barnes is young enough to evolve into something better, but that's his current hoops genus.

[UKFlounder]

Russell Westbrook to the Lakers being discussed per Twitter reports, though not final

[Rojo Rijo]

Your politics flavor your fandom.

Methinks you never heard Jerry West or Kareem speak on civil rights.

(Or, at that time, you were able to separate them easier.)

I don't think it has to be politics. I've always thought that Lebron seemed like a tremendous individual but I cannot stand the way he plays the game with the flopping and crying.

[Rojo Rijo]

Russell Westbrook to the Lakers being discussed per Twitter reports, though not final

Yep, hearing its #22, Kuz, Trez, THT, and KCP

[Rojo Rijo]

So supposedly Golden State turned down Philadelphias offer of....

Ben Simmons for Wiggins, Wiseman, #7, #14, and two future firsts

I cannot tell you how hard I laughed when I read that. Even the article said Golden State took the offer as a joke.

[M2]

Yep, hearing its #22, Kuz, Trez, THT, and KCP

That's fascinating. That might work for both teams, though I would assume the Wiz are trading Beal too if they make that deal.

[Rojo Rijo]

That's fascinating. That might work for both teams, though I would assume the Wiz are trading Beal too if they make that deal.

Agreed. It had been talked about that Russ would have to go if Beal were traded but I feel like it's the same thing if Russ goes. Maybe we get a Beal to Golden State deal put together within the next 3-4 hours.

[SteelSD]

So supposedly Golden State turned down Philadelphias offer of....

Ben Simmons for Wiggins, Wiseman, #7, #14, and two future firsts

I cannot tell you how hard I laughed when I read that. Even the article said Golden State took the offer as a joke.

Yeah, that's too much.

That being said, I'd rather have Morey asking for that rather than accepting Jeff Hornacek, Tim Perry, and Andrew Lange for Simmons.

The Sixers don't have to trade Simmons, so why in the world wouldn't a guy like Morey (if we can trust the rumor) start out asking for a ton?

[adkindo]

Sounds like Brodie is a Laker...

[M2]

Cavs may have gotten a steal at #3 with Mobley.

[adkindo]

Raptors take Barnes....Magic should grab Suggs

[Rojo Rijo]

Raptors take Barnes....Magic should grab Suggs

Sooooo happy about this

[M2]

Sooooo happy about this

Your team just won the lottery.

[Bourgeois Zee]

Suggs in Orlando makes them much more interesting.

He'll be able to get places on the floor and space as well. As a bonus, he can play with Anthony or Fultz in the backcourt as PG or SG. He can be ball-dominant, but doesn't have to be.

Just an outstanding "get" for the Magic.

EDIT: I forgot about RJ Hampton in the backcourt. I'd love to see if the Magic can pull some 2020 OKC fun with a three-guard lineup of Anthony/ Fultz, Hampton/ Okeke, and Suggs.

[adkindo]

Kuminga should be on the board for the Magic if they want him.

[M2]

Kuminga should be on the board for the Magic if they want him.

Can't imagine the Warriors are taking him unless they're trading him.

I like that OKC went outside the box with Giddey. No idea if he's a good pick, but I like when teams buck conventional thinking.

[Bourgeois Zee]

I think OKC's plan is to create a Mon-Star team.

They are huge tall across their team, and Giddey, as the nominal SG, would make them even taller.

Too bad no one aside from SGA can shoot.

[adkindo]

Can't imagine the Warriors are taking him unless they're trading him.

I like that OKC went outside the box with Giddey. No idea if he's a good pick, but I like when teams buck conventional thinking.

I have been very interested in Giddey....think the ceiling is pretty high.

[adkindo]

WOW

[adkindo]

Magic about to go Wagner?

[M2]

WOW

I'm thinking there's a Kuminga trade coming fairly soon.

[adkindo]

Lakers need to try to buy a 2nd round pick....they will need some cheap warm bodies.

[adkindo]

Wagner pick does nothing for my excitement in the Magic.....he will be a solid role player.

[Revering4Blue]

Lakers need to try to buy a 2nd round pick....they will need some cheap warm bodies.I suspect that's the case with so many teams owning multiple second rounders. Should also be some value there, too. They've done well with second rounders spanning Kupchak to current regime.

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[Bourgeois Zee]

Magic actual draft is dominating its pseudo-draft.

[M2]

Wagner pick does nothing for my excitement in the Magic.....he will be a solid role player.

I think the Magic are having a spectacular night. Supposedly he's grown two inches, which makes him a versatile big with shooting skills and passing touch. They got a complete culture change tonight because the guys who fit their traditional dead end model got snagged right before them.

[Bourgeois Zee]

Wagner pick does nothing for my excitement in the Magic.....he will be a solid role player.

He's going to end up putting up some real numbers as early as this season. He's smart and is already a solid team defender. If he's grown the three inches he says he has, he might even play center. I'm guessing he'll be a slightly better than league average shooter from deep (and perhaps more). That profile plays for a decade and puts up some tasty numbers.

[adkindo]

do not like that pick for the Pels/Grizz

[adkindo]

Hornets going to go with another UConn guy?

[SteelSD]

The ESPN analyst group has spent almost the entire lottery stating that Pick <insert number>'s shooting doesn't match up with his shooting.

[adkindo]

The ESPN analyst group has spent almost the entire lottery stating that Pick <insert number>'s shooting doesn't match up with his shooting.

my shooting in pickup games rarely matches up with my "real" shooting ability

[M2]

I never understand what the Spurs are doing. If they were still winning all the time, that would be fine. Now they sort of seem like an organization that thinks it's way smarter than it is.

[SteelSD]

my shooting in pickup games rarely matches up with my "real" shooting ability

My shooting wasn't as good as my shooting, but will be better than my shooting was when I shoot what I didn't shoot when I shot.

[Bourgeois Zee]

I never understand what the Spurs are doing. If they were still winning all the time, that would be fine. Now they sort of seem like an organization that thinks it's way smarter than it is.

Primo would have almost assuredly been available 10 picks later. I'm guessing New York would have been fine with dealing both picks for #12.

[SteelSD]

I never understand what the Spurs are doing. If they were still winning all the time, that would be fine. Now they sort of seem like an organization that thinks it's way smarter than it is.

I ran across a couple mocks over the last few days that had Primo slotted at the Sixers #28.

[Bourgeois Zee]

Duarte before Moody is interesting.

He definitely makes sense for Indiana.

[Bourgeois Zee]

Really like the two guys Golden State got for their team.

Kuminga as a PF backup for Green might be his best fit, and Moody as a bench scorer and possible third gun with Curry and Thompson should also be of help.

Now watch-- they'll deal them both before the night is through...

[Revering4Blue]

Duarte before Moody is interesting.

He definitely makes sense for Indiana.I would've been damn happy with either one of them. Never believed that both would have been available at 13 in the first place.

Also, Indiana has acquired pick 31 from the Bucks for picks 54 and 60.

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[Revering4Blue]

Really like the two guys Golden State got for their team.

Kuminga as a PF backup for Green might be his best fit, and Moody as a bench scorer and possible third gun with Curry and Thompson should also be of help.

Now watch-- they'll deal them both before the night is through...Pascal Siakam to the Bay Area?

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[Bourgeois Zee]

Pascal Siakam to the Bay Area.

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For real?

[M2]

Houston traded two future picks to get Sengun at #16.

[Revering4Blue]

For real?

No. Just a rumor. I failed to place a question mark at the end, which I have since corrected.

[Bourgeois Zee]

Houston traded two future picks to get Sengun at #16.

Smart move by OKC.

(Maybe.)

[adkindo]

For real?

if that happens, and you approve of the Raptors getting those two guys....

[Bourgeois Zee]

Don't anyone panic, but the Thunder finally drafted someone who can shoot.

[adkindo]

I like Tre Mann to OKC

[Bourgeois Zee]

if that happens, and you approve of the Raptors getting those two guys....

I like Moody a bunch.

I can see the appeal of Kuminga.

For Siakam, though?

That's way, way, way too light.

[M2]

Smart move by OKC.

(Maybe.)

I don't know. OKC already has a billion draft picks.

[adkindo]

I like Moody a bunch.

I can see the appeal of Kuminga.

For Siakam, though?

That's way, way, way too light.

I was talking about if the Raptors ended up with Barnes and Kuminga

[M2]

I like Moody a bunch.

I can see the appeal of Kuminga.

For Siakam, though?

That's way, way, way too light.

They'd have to move some compensating salary, which almost has to be Wiggins.

[adkindo]

loving Kai Jones suit

[Bourgeois Zee]

I don't know. OKC already has a billion draft picks.

They've pushed one of this year's picks off to next season.

That's a good use of a resource, IMO. Especially because they have two first rounders this year already.

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I was talking about if the Raptors ended up with Barnes and Kuminga

I don't like Barnes at all.

As stated earlier.

[Bourgeois Zee]

They'd have to move some compensating salary, which almost has to be Wiggins.

Which would be too light still.

By far.

Unless Siakam's murdered somebody's dog, or something. Even then... Nah, nevermind.

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loving Kai Jones suit

Great suit.

Questionable pick.

Ah, it's for Charlotte. Defensible, then. Like his pairing with Ball.

[M2]

Which would be too light still.

By far.

Unless Siakam's murdered somebody's dog, or something. Even then... Nah, nevermind.

I'm gonna hot take take this one. Are we sure Spicy P is better than Andrew Wiggins?

[Bourgeois Zee]

I'm gonna hot take take this one. Are we sure Spicy P is better than Andrew Wiggins?

VORP says this is an easy one.

Or, to put it in slightly more narrative format, one of Wiggins' most comparable players by win share for his career is Andrea Bargnani.

Siakam has Orlando Woolridge, Danny Manning, and Sidney Wicks.

[Bourgeois Zee]

So far today, the Wizards have added:

Kyle Kuzma PF
Kentavious Caldwell-Pope SG
Montrezl Harris C
Isaiah Jackson PF/C
Corey Kispert SF

and lost Russell Westbrook

That's a lot of adequacy in DC. And a little upside.

Anyone thinking Beal's done in DC?

[Revering4Blue]

Ah, it's for Charlotte. Defensible, then. Like his pairing with Ball.

Bouknight

Jones

Plumlee AND pick 37 in exchange for pick 57

Not a bad night for the Hornets.

[UKFlounder]

Jackson to Indiana for Aaron Holiday and pick #31




So far today, the Wizards have added:

Kyle Kuzma PF
Kentavious Caldwell-Pope SG
Montrezl Harris C
Isaiah Jackson PF/C
Corey Kispert SF

and lost Russell Westbrook

That's a lot of adequacy in DC. And a little upside.

Anyone thinking Beal's done in DC?

[adkindo]

So the Pacers get Isaiah Jackson?

[Bourgeois Zee]

Love the Garuba pick this late.

Alperen Dengun, Christian Wood, and Usman Garuba can tag-team the front court in all sorts of interesting ways. Green, Porter, and Josh Christopher are really talented (if they can keep their heads on straight) too. Houston might well be Team Upside.

[UKFlounder]

Yes, as of the last update I saw



So the Pacers get Isaiah Jackson?

[M2]

Bouknight

Jones

Plumlee AND pick 37 in exchange for pick 57

Not a bad night for the Hornets.

If you're losing a Zeller you gotta get a Plumlee.

[Revering4Blue]

So the Pacers get Isaiah Jackson?

In exchange for Aaron Holiday and pick 31 per Shams.

Perhaps Myles Turner, not Siakam, is headed to the Warriors.

[Bourgeois Zee]

Jackson to Indiana for Aaron Holiday and pick #31

Jackson backing up Turner and Sabonis makes sense, but so does Bitadze.

I'm thinking Turner's actually going to get dealt...?

[Bourgeois Zee]

If you're losing a Zeller you gotta get a Plumlee.

Charlotte's got some of that upside too.

Ball, Bridges, Bouknight, PJ Washington, Hayward, Plumlee, Kai Jones, and Scary Terry is a decent top eight.

They've got lots to spend too.

Guessing at least one of Monk and Graham aren't coming back. Maybe both.

[M2]

Prediction: the Nuggets will pick Jared Butler.

Update: Never try to predict late 1st round picks. They went with Bones Hyland.

[Revering4Blue]

Love the Garuba pick this late.

Alperen Dengun, Christian Wood, and Usman Garuba can tag-team the front court in all sorts of interesting ways. Green, Porter, and Josh Christopher are really talented (if they can keep their heads on straight) too. Houston might well be Team Upside.

Agreed.

I wouldn't be adverse to retaining Olynyk, as only Wood (of the bigs) can stretch the floor.

[adkindo]

Prediction: the Nuggets will pick Jared Butler.

Bones

[Bourgeois Zee]

I like the Grimes pick for the Knicks.

He's a point getter and a solid defender.

Similar to Quickley last season.

[adkindo]

In exchange for Aaron Holiday and pick 31 per Shams.

Perhaps Myles Turner, not Siakam, is headed to the Warriors.

saw Myles welcoming Duarte on social....so he must not think he is exiting?

[Bourgeois Zee]

Hyland's a good pick this late too. Denver will definitely give him some rope.

That's a good spot to be in, IMO, if you're a young guard.

You know Jokic can handle it if you get in trouble. You don't have to worry too much about playmaking. Porter's a shot-maker with great hands. Gordon's a defensive savant who can catch just about anything near the rim). If you can hit the open jumper, Jokic will find you. And there isn't really much in front of you (or behind you) to keep you out of the lineup.

[adkindo]

how many shots will Cam get in Brooklyn?

[Bourgeois Zee]

how many shots will Cam get in Brooklyn?

If his history is any indication, as many as he can get.

Brooklyn's team reminds me of one of those make-it, take-it teams on the playground. Each guy gets the ball at the top of the key and tries to score on his man.

[M2]

I cannot wait to see Cam Thomas get the ball with the choice between a bad shot and passing to any one of an open KD, Harden or Kyrie. He's taking the bad shot every time.

[Revering4Blue]

Jackson backing up Turner and Sabonis makes sense, but so does Bitadze.

I'm thinking Turner's actually going to get dealt...?


saw Myles welcoming Duarte on social....so he must not think he is exiting?

Who knows?

In addition to protecting the rim, Jackson is capable of defending on the perimeter, which isn't exactly a strength of the current Pacers bigs. Jackson may actually fit well alongside Turner. And, as BZ pointed out, the Pacers are rarely healthy anyway.

[Bourgeois Zee]

I cannot wait to see Cam Thomas get the ball with the choice between a bad shot and passing to any one of an open KD, Harden or Kyrie. He's taking the bad shot every time.

I'm here for Harden and Kyrie taking him under their wing to convince him to pass it to them, so they can take the same bad shot he was going to take.

[adkindo]

oh hell no....I would not take Springer over McBride

[Bourgeois Zee]

Who knows?

In addition to protecting the rim, Jackson is capable of defending on the perimeter, which isn't exactly a strength of the current Pacers bigs. Jackson may actually fit well alongside Turner. And, as BZ pointed out, the Pacers are rarely healthy anyway.

Really like their addition of Duarte and the fit of Jackson as a fourth big/ G League backup (for a year).

[Bourgeois Zee]

In true Doc fashion, Philly takes yet another combo guard who won't play unless literally every veteran is hobbled by injury, massive slump, or Covid.

Springer's addition is interesting in the now-they-can-trade-Simmons camp, I guess.

[adkindo]

thinking Deuce may go to Utah

[Bourgeois Zee]

Like the Sharpe pick for Brooklyn. They won't need him to be anything other than what he is-- and he could be pretty good if he develops.

Nice bit of draftmanship by Sean Marks and Steve Nash, getting a BPA in Thomas plus the big they needed a bit later (not to mention the rights to backup PG Jevon Carter). Thomas takes over Shamet's instant offense job, Sharpe could play relatively big minutes at center, and Carter gives them needed quality depth.

[adkindo]

Like the Sharpe pick for Brooklyn. They won't need him to be anything other than what he is-- and he could be pretty good if he develops.

Nice bit of draftmanship by Sean Marks and Steve Nash, getting a BPA in Thomas plus the big they needed a bit later (not to mention the rights to backup PG Jevon Carter). Thomas takes over Shamet's instant offense job, Sharpe could play relatively big minutes at center, and Carter gives them needed quality depth.

broke my heart that Jevon never got to a Final 4....but decent odds he will get to his 2nd straight NBA Finals

Personally, I may have taken Bassey over Sharpe

[Revering4Blue]

Really like their addition of Duarte and the fit of Jackson as a fourth big/ G League backup (for a year).

Pacers Nation, though they're kinda nervous about a potential Turner deal, seems pleased. The consensus, with Holiday gone: So long, McBuckets and welcome back, TJ McConnell.

[Bourgeois Zee]

Pacers Nation, though they're kinda nervous about a potential Turner deal, seems pleased. The consensus, with Holiday gone: So long, McBuckets and welcome back, TJ McConnell.

Four wings-- LeVert, Lamb, Warren, and Duarte-- plus Brogdon and McConnell? Add Sabonis. And Turner. (Maybe.)

If Indiana could stay healthy, they might take a couple of leaps forward.

[adkindo]

Come on Magic....take Deuce!

[Bourgeois Zee]

Personally, I may have taken Bassey over Sharpe

I see their thinking. Bassey just hasn't played enough good bigs to determine if he's too slow to guard them. (He's not, IMO.)

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Did the Knicks really just draft a power forward?

[adkindo]

I can definitely see Deuce going to OKC at 34 or 36....or the Pels at 35.....all would be nice spots for him to land. Would love to see him in NO with Ingram and Zion

[adkindo]

I see their thinking. Bassey just hasn't played enough good bigs to determine if he's too slow to guard them. (He's not, IMO.)

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Did the Knicks really just draft a power forward?

i think their charter requires they carry at least 8

Bassey looked pretty good against WVU's bigs....Oscar and Culver if I recall

[Bourgeois Zee]

I'm looking for Wieskamp to be a nice pick somewhere around here.

Massively underrated as an athlete and, IMO, the best shooter in the draft.

[Revering4Blue]

Like the Sharpe pick for Brooklyn. They won't need him to be anything other than what he is-- and he could be pretty good if he develops.

Nice bit of draftmanship by Sean Marks and Steve Nash, getting a BPA in Thomas plus the big they needed a bit later (not to mention the rights to backup PG Jevon Carter). Thomas takes over Shamet's instant offense job, Sharpe could play relatively big minutes at center, and Carter gives them needed quality depth.

Between Sharpe and Massey - who was mocked as a late 1st round pick by many - it will be interesting to see who's the better NBA big man moving forward. As for the Suns/Nets trade, I'm not particularly fond of it from the Phoenix point of view. I'm just not as high on Shamet as most.

. And Carter - a bulldog on defense - as a 'throw-in' could make a larger contribution than expected, as both he and Bruce Brown (if he's retained) can defend and neither need the ball. Both qualities this Nets team can sorely use.

[Revering4Blue]

Four wings-- LeVert, Lamb, Warren, and Duarte-- plus Brogdon and McConnell? Add Sabonis. And Turner. (Maybe.)

If Indiana could stay healthy, they might take a couple of leaps forward.

Brisset and/or Stanley may also be keepers.

But the division itself, should be tougher than last season. Low bar, I know.

[Bourgeois Zee]

New York gets Rokas Jokubaitis, which sounds like a disease you get on Times Square.

[adkindo]

Deuce going to Knicks at @36

[Revering4Blue]

Come on Magic....take Deuce!

He's going to the Knicks via OKC.

[adkindo]

He's going to the Knicks via OKC.

massive opportunity....bright lights of MSG. Keep the receipt....they got a steal.

[Revering4Blue]

Jason Preston to the Clippers may be an absolute steal and just what the Dr. ordered.

[Bourgeois Zee]

Like JT Thor for Detroit.

He could well be good if he develops at all. Worthy gamble this late.

[adkindo]

I'm looking for Wieskamp to be a nice pick somewhere around here.

Massively underrated as an athlete and, IMO, the best shooter in the draft.

Lakers could use him if they could get a pick

[Bourgeois Zee]

Jason Preston to the Clippers may be an absolute steal and just what the Dr. ordered.

Lue doesn't play rookies either.

Next season, maybe he'll scratch the floor a bit.

[Bourgeois Zee]

Ayo Dosunmu to Chicago could not work out any better.

I even like the fit with the team.

[Revering4Blue]

Like JT Thor for Detroit.

He could well be good if he develops at all. Worthy gamble this late.

He's going to Charlotte along with Plumlee. So he adds to their collection of young bigs with tremendous potential. IMHO, and I may be crazy, Nick Richards has a higher ceiling than Vernon Carey Jr.

Detroit will pick 57 via Charlotte.

[Bourgeois Zee]

He's going to Charlotte along with Plumlee. So he adds to their collection of young bigs with tremendous potential. IMHO, and I may be crazy, Nick Richards has a higher ceiling than Vernon Carey Jr.

Detroit will pick 57 via Charlotte.

Thor as a backup for PJ Washington (and a G League guy) also makes sense.

Charlotte's killing it.

[Revering4Blue]

The long wait for Jared Butler is finally over. But he landed in New Orleans - a great fit.

[Bourgeois Zee]

Butler and Wieskamp go back to back at 40 and 41.

Hot take: Both players out-produce the first rounders the Pelicans (Zahaire Williams) and San Antonio (Josh Primo) drafted.

[Revering4Blue]

Thor as a backup for PJ Washington (and a G League guy) also makes sense.

Charlotte's killing it.

Definitely.

Conversely, that's sort of an odd trade for Detroit, even factoring in the increase in minutes for Stewart. I have to wonder what Troy Weaver (The Mad Scientist) has up his sleeve.

[Bourgeois Zee]

Portland trades into the draft to pick Greg Brown, a carbon copy of Derrick Jones, a guy they already have-- and benched-- on the team.

[M2]

The long wait for Jared Butler is finally over. But he landed in New Orleans - a great fit.

I think he's getting traded to Utah. Also a great fit.

[Bourgeois Zee]

Definitely.

Conversely, that's sort of an odd trade for Detroit, even factoring in the increase in minutes for Stewart. I have to wonder what Troy Weaver (The Mad Scientist) has up his sleeve.

No Plumlees, no problems?

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I think he's getting traded to Utah. Also a great fit.

Might even argue it's better.

[Revering4Blue]

Portland trades into the draft to pick Greg Brown, a carbon copy of Derrick Jones, a guy they already have-- and benched-- on the team.

Brown's ceiling is higher than Jones Jr's. It's clearly a pick for the future.

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I think he's getting traded to Utah. Also a great fit.

An absolute steal for the Jazz.

[adkindo]

Garza got drafted...

[Bourgeois Zee]

I like Petrusev as a draft pick. Kid can score and apparently now has developed some consistent three-point range.

The Adriatic League is no joke, and Petrusev dominated it.

[Bourgeois Zee]

Garza got drafted...

As Plumlee Lite (Heavy?), Garza can play behind Stewart and provide some help.

I hope.

He's fun to watch, honestly.

[Bourgeois Zee]

Bassey to Philly too, apparently. With Embiid, Bassey, and Petrusev, Dwight Howard's short tenure with the Sixers is probably over.

(I like the 76ers draft a lot.)

[adkindo]

Bassey to Philly too, apparently. With Embiid, Bassey, and Petrusev, Dwight Howard's short tenure with the Sixers is probably over.

(I like the 76ers draft a lot.)

maybe Dwight can go back to the Lakers....just looked at their roster, after the Westbrook trade, they will have 4 guys under contract next season....and I assume Gasol is still considering retiring. Then they have Alfonso McKinnie on a non-guaranteed deal. Sure they will bring back Caruso and THT....and maybe do something with Schroder's rights....but they are going to need a lot of cheap labor.

[Revering4Blue]

Bassey to Philly too, apparently. With Embiid, Bassey, and Petrusev, Dwight Howard's short tenure with the Sixers is probably over.

(I like the 76ers draft a lot.)

I suspect it's over. He was basically unplayable in many playoff lineups.

The 76ers were desperate for frontcourt bench production. A wild card in said search, who rarely gained NBA minutes last year: Paul Reed, should he develop as expected.

[Bourgeois Zee]

Knicks pick Jericho Sims is a sneaky good choice. He has a real shot to stick with the team all season as a backup.

[SteelSD]

I suspect it's over. He was basically unplayable in many playoff lineups.

The 76ers were desperate for frontcourt bench production. A wild card in said search, who rarely gained NBA minutes last year: Paul Reed, should he develop as expected.

I'm holding out hope that B-ball Paul can develop into a solid stretch-4. I agree that Dwight probably won't, and shouldn't, be back. The guy had some great games and moments backing up Embiid. But he also, too often, did incredibly dumb things at exactly the wrong time.

[SteelSD]

Well, I do not hate the Sixers draft. Really like Springer's overall game and both the 2nd-round bigs were productive in college. Petrusev doesn't appear to be a Euro-stash pick, so that's good if he's kept.

Edit: Reports now coming in that Petrusev will be a draft-and-stash. Ick.

[Bourgeois Zee]

Knee-jerk (emphasis on jerk) reactions on draft night:

1. Raptors had an opportunity, then overthought it.
Barnes should be a fine player. Suggs is better at just about everything on the basketball court. He's also a winner and as tough (and clutch) a competitor as you can find. You don't overthink that draft, but they did. Then, to compound matters, they drafted an extreme project (Dalano Banton) who's primary strength seems to be that he's Canadian and David Johnson, who was... fine... as a college player. None of the three of them can shoot much at all. I don't get it.

2. Clippers swung hard... and missed.
Again, in a draft filled with shooter, LA managed to find three non-shooters in Keon Johnson, Jason Preston, and BJ Boston. For a team that knows the importance of shooting well, this draft was shocking.

3. Houston added some big-time upside pieces.
Green might be the best scorer in the draft. Sengun showed the best low-post moves of anyone in the draft and arguably had the greatest season of anyone as well. Garuba might be the best defender. And Christopher might have the most speed from end to end (and is a sneaky great scorer himself). All four have All-Star potential. Really like the depth of quality pieces the Rockets were able to acquire.

4. Nets had low-key solid draft day...
Brooklyn added a whole bunch of help via the Landry Shamet trade, then added Cam Thomas as instant offense off the bench and Day'Ron Sharpe as a PF/C prospect who'll get plenty of minutes. They later added a couple interesting pieces in the second round too-- defense-first Kessler Edwards and MCW's brother (really!) Marcus Zegarowski, a shooter from Creighton with underrated athleticism

5. ... But Detroit had the BEST draft day.
Cade Cunningham is going to be very, very good. He might even be great-- and very soon. Hometown kid Livers, when he gets healthy, is probably a rotational 3 and D guy who might end up an elite shooter. Garza, as everybody's All-American, has already lost a ton of weight and is working on re-making himself as a rotation and glue guy. Guys that smart tend to carve out roles for themselves. The Pistons suddenly have lots of depth and at least a couple of big-time scorers. They might even hit .500 next year.

[RichRed]

I'm not very familiar with Mr. Bontemps' work but I like the cut of his jib here:


Bontemps: The Washington Wizards not only moved Russell Westbrook without having to give up a first-round pick, or take on bad money, but also netted a first-rounder in the deal. Just terrific work by general manager Tommy Sheppard, who turned arguably the worst contract in the league right now, John Wall, into long-term flexibility -- and did so without being at a draft-pick deficit. On the other hand for the Lakers, let's just say I don't think this is going to work out, as Westbrook heads to his fourth team in as many seasons.

https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/31915713/2021-nba-draft-winners-losers-surprises-bold-predictions

[M2]

Well, I do not hate the Sixers draft. Really like Springer's overall game and both the 2nd-round bigs were productive in college. Petrusev doesn't appear to be a Euro-stash pick, so that's good if he's kept.

Edit: Reports now coming in that Petrusev will be a draft-and-stash. Ick.

And I would assume Bassey's taking Amtrak down one stop to Wilmington.

[adkindo]

I'm not very familiar with Mr. Bontemps' work but I like the cut of his jib here:



https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/31915713/2021-nba-draft-winners-losers-surprises-bold-predictions

He use to be with WAPO.....has always had issues with the Lakers. He was a hater when they were winning 20 games a year with Jordan Clarkson, DLo and Randle. Not really related, but he has to go into the podcast HOF for the time he fell asleep on a podcast. He use to be a visiting contributor to Windhorst's ESPN NBA podcast with Pelton and others. Bontemps was in his hotel and literally fell asleep during the podcast....he was snoring to the point where they had the end the podcast.

I expect Westbrook to make a lot of the doubters look silly.

[RichRed]

He use to be with WAPO.....has always had issues with the Lakers. He was a hater when they were winning 20 games a year with Jordan Clarkson, DLo and Randle. Not really related, but he has to go into the podcast HOF for the time he fell asleep on a podcast. He use to be a visiting contributor to Windhorst's ESPN NBA podcast with Pelton and others. Bontemps was in his hotel and literally fell asleep during the podcast....he was snoring to the point where they had the end the podcast.

I expect Westbrook to make a lot of the doubters look silly.

I like Russ and enjoyed having him play in DC for a year, but I do agree that Sheppard pulled off a nice piece of, umm, Wizardry with these moves.

[M2]

I expect Westbrook to make a lot of the doubters look silly.

Me too. His constant urgency is something that will benefit that team.

[Bourgeois Zee]

Me too. His constant urgency is something that will benefit that team.

And his need to have the ball in his hands will hurt them.

So will his nonexistent jumper.

Westbrook's going to win the Lakers some games, no doubt.

He'll lose them a few too.

The key is that the latter don't outweigh the former on a consistent basis.

Early in Washington, he was largely trash. Once he figured out how to play with Beal, they went on a monster tear.

He's a Jeckyll and Hyde guy, at this point in his career.

[BillDoran]

If they can get him to buy-in and wreck havoc without the ball in his hands, this could be great for the Lakers. Effectively, he needs to dial down his offensive usage while keeping his engine running at the same break-neck pace.

He's never done that and has never shown signs of doing anything on offense that doesn't generate stats. He plays bad defense and requires the ball on offense. If they could convince him to move without the basketball and generally de-ephasize scoring, he'd be an incredible No. 3 behind Bron and AD. Folks have been saying this for years though, and he hasn't changed a lick.

Throw in the natural decline--last year, he posted his second lowest WS/48 (rookie season) and his second lowest TS% (last OKC year)-- and the fact that he Lakers also will have absolutely no depth. It's going to be a mess.

[adkindo]

And his need to have the ball in his hands will hurt them.

So will his nonexistent jumper.

Westbrook's going to win the Lakers some games, no doubt.

He'll lose them a few too.

The key is that the latter don't outweigh the former on a consistent basis.

Early in Washington, he was largely trash. Once he figured out how to play with Beal, they went on a monster tear.

He's a Jeckyll and Hyde guy, at this point in his career.

My thoughts are the Lakers remaining healthy is far more crucial than the fit issues of Russ. If those 3 can play 70ish games each next season, my worries are significantly less. Also a big key will be what type of player they can get with the TPMLE....they are hoping someone worth far more, and if they can S&T Schroder for something of value.

[M2]

Early in Washington, he was largely trash. Once he figured out how to play with Beal, they went on a monster tear.

I think right there is the key part. He'll figure it out.

[Bourgeois Zee]

I think right there is the key part. He'll figure it out.

Depending on Westbrook figuring it out is a fool's errand, largely.

[M2]

Depending on Westbrook figuring it out is a fool's errand, largely.

His teams are always good. I'd say depending on him to carry you in a playoffs is a fool's errand, but the Lakers have two other guys for that.

[Bourgeois Zee]

His teams are always good. I'd say depending on him to carry you in a playoffs is a fool's errand, but the Lakers have two other guys for that.

If they ever get the ball.

[M2]

If they ever get the ball.

Serious question, who in NBA history has played with more 30+ ppg scorers than Russ? I think they'll get the ball.

[Bourgeois Zee]

Serious question, who in NBA history has played with more 30+ ppg scorers than Russ? I think they'll get the ball.

But isn't that the point, M2?

In OKC, he had Durant and Harden on his team, yet who took all the last second shots?

In Houston, it was Harden again.

In Washington, Beal.

I mean, at some point, we know what he does, right?

[M2]

But isn't that the point, M2?

In OKC, he had Durant and Harden on his team, yet who took all the last second shots?

In Houston, it was Harden again.

In Washington, Beal.

I mean, at some point, we know what he does, right?

PG13, Harden and Beal have taken the bulk of the late shots on his most recent teams. Russ doesn't take no shots, but he does try to get the ball to his designated scorer dudes. Teams sometimes try to get Russ to take open deep shots and he falls for it, though sometimes it bites the other team in the ass. Yet I do think he'll lighten the ballhandling load on LeBron and I'd bet the over on AD's scoring totals this season.