Hoosier Basketball '21-'22: Welcome back Woody

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CMW gets another one...

https://n.rivals.com/content/prospects/2022/kaleb-banks-269423

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Last year for the Crossroads Classic...

https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/ncaabk/popular-crossroads-classic-basketball-event-ending-in-december/ar-AAMDp0o

[BillDoran]

Last year for the Crossroads Classic...

https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/ncaabk/popular-crossroads-classic-basketball-event-ending-in-december/ar-AAMDp0o

Glad they could end something fans really enjoyed.

It happens everywhere, but this refusal of traditional powers to play good local teams in home-and-homes or at independent sites takes a lot of the fun out of college sports.

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Glad they could end something fans really enjoyed.

It happens everywhere, but this refusal of traditional powers to play good local teams in home-and-homes or at independent sites takes a lot of the fun out of college sports.

I posted my thoughts on this on a Hoosier board but I felt the "Crossroads Classic" could have been so much better. They should have set it up like Maui or the other 8 team, 3-day tournaments. IU, Purdue, Butler, Notre Dame and adding Ball State, Valpo, Indiana St., and Evansville. Hoosier Hysteria at it's finest. But nobody listens to me.

[BillDoran]

I posted my thoughts on this on a Hoosier board but I felt the "Crossroads Classic" could have been so much better. They should have set it up like Maui or the other 8 team, 3-day tournaments. IU, Purdue, Butler, Notre Dame and adding Ball State, Valpo, Indiana St., and Evansville. Hoosier Hysteria at it's finest. But nobody listens to me.

It's all about protecting the brand. The Hoosiers can't be exposed to the likes of Ball State and Indiana State.

The logic that the dominant teams have nothing to gain by playing good local/regional competition is so wrong-headed. It's one of my least favorite trends in college sports. Give the fans what they want. Build local/regional rivalries. Battle for city bragging rights. It's fun!

That the Crossroads Classic, as limited as it was, is a rarity in college sports says it all about where things are currently. If I'm not mistaken, I believe Chris Holtmann was the catalyst. He's talked about making similar arrangements in Ohio and has already agreed to have Ohio State play other good programs in the state.

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It's all about protecting the brand. The Hoosiers can't be exposed to the likes of Ball State and Indiana State.

The logic that the dominant teams have nothing to gain by playing good local/regional competition is so wrong-headed. It's one of my least favorite trends in college sports. Give the fans what they want. Build local/regional rivalries. Battle for city bragging rights. It's fun!

That the Crossroads Classic, as limited as it was, is a rarity in college sports says it all about where things are currently. If I'm not mistaken, I believe Chris Holtmann was the catalyst. He's talked about making similar arrangements in Ohio and has already agreed to have Ohio State play other good programs in the state.

IU could fill their entire non-con schedule with in-state schools and I wouldn't bat an eyelash. Better than playing N.E. Oklahoma A&M..

[redsfanmia]

IU could fill their entire non-con schedule with in-state schools and I wouldn't bat an eyelash. Better than playing N.E. Oklahoma A&M..

I miss the Indiana and Hoosier classics myself.

[Assembly Hall]

I miss the Indiana and Hoosier classics myself.

Bobby didn't fill those tournaments with cupcakes. I miss them myself.

[Hoosier Red]

Bobby didn't fill those tournaments with cupcakes. I miss them myself.

Didn't he? I only know what it was when I was in school. The years I was there they played the following in the Indiana Classic(Bloomington) ; Santa Clara, Louisiana Tech, UW-Green Bay, South Alabama, Bowling Green(Dakich?), Boise State, Buffalo, and Indiana State.
In the Hoosier Classic(Market Square Arena) they played; Valpo, Colgate, Western Michigan, Missouri State(Alford?), Ball State, Drake, Holy Cross, and Canisius.
There were certainly some teams who turned out to be decent in there. But it's still much closer to who's that than a who's who.


*Apologies if I mixed up which was the Hoosier Classic and which was the Indiana Classic. One of them was in Bloomington the first or second weekend of December. The other was in Indianapolis between Christmas and New Year's.

[Assembly Hall]

Didn't he? I only know what it was when I was in school. The years I was there they played the following in the Indiana Classic(Bloomington) ; Santa Clara, Louisiana Tech, UW-Green Bay, South Alabama, Bowling Green(Dakich?), Boise State, Buffalo, and Indiana State.
In the Hoosier Classic(Market Square Arena) they played; Valpo, Colgate, Western Michigan, Missouri State(Alford?), Ball State, Drake, Holy Cross, and Canisius.
There were certainly some teams who turned out to be decent in there. But it's still much closer to who's that than a who's who.


*Apologies if I mixed up which was the Hoosier Classic and which was the Indiana Classic. One of them was in Bloomington the first or second weekend of December. The other was in Indianapolis between Christmas and New Year's.

Irony at it's finest...

You said that and went back to '83 as I attended both the Indiana Classic and the Hoosier Classic.

The Indiana Classic(Bloomington) consisted of:

IU(22-9 NCAA lost in the EE)

Utah St.(19-11 lost 1st Rd NIT)

Texas A&M(16-14 lost in CT final to #8 Arkansas)

Illinois St.(23-8 NCAA lost 2nd Rd to #4 DePaul)

The Hoosier Classic(Indy) consisted of:

IU(22-9 NCAA lost in the EE)

#12 Boston College(lost 2nd Rd NIT)

Iowa State(lost 1st Rd NIT)

Ball State(9-18)

[Hoosier Red]

One thing I recall Knight was good at was manipulating the early RPI system.
I'm not sure if it was even intentional or not, but when I was there at least(96-00) he seemed to have a knack for playing the best teams from the worst conferences for the guarantee games. You bring in the worst team in the MEAC or MAAAC or Patriot leage and they're probably ranked in the 300's(high 200's then when there were fewer teams) but if you play the best team in that conference? You should still win 99% of the time, but that team is ranked low 200's high 100's.

Now the tournament committee doesn't look at any given ranking number the way they once did,(rightfully so I might add) but I still find it interesting how ahead of things he could be.

[Assembly Hall]

One thing I recall Knight was good at was manipulating the early RPI system.
I'm not sure if it was even intentional or not, but when I was there at least(96-00) he seemed to have a knack for playing the best teams from the worst conferences for the guarantee games. You bring in the worst team in the MEAC or MAAAC or Patriot leage and they're probably ranked in the 300's(high 200's then when there were fewer teams) but if you play the best team in that conference? You should still win 99% of the time, but that team is ranked low 200's high 100's.

Now the tournament committee doesn't look at any given ranking number the way they once did,(rightfully so I might add) but I still find it interesting how ahead of things he could be.

Ya know, I had never given that much thought but you are on to something there. But you are also talking years when IU basketball was falling off the map. After '94 things got ugly.

[Playadlc]

JHS to IU.

Kenya Hunter has landed two out-of-state national top-30 players in about six months. I’m sure Woodson has helped close, but Kenya is getting it done.

IU is on a roll.

[Assembly Hall]

JHS to IU.

Kenya Hunter has landed two out-of-state national top-30 players in about six months. I’m sure Woodson has helped close, but Kenya is getting it done.

IU is on a roll.

https://twitter.com/ebosshoops/status/1430231899411189761?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcam p%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Etweet

[Hillsdale87]

I was initially pretty underwhelmed by the hire, but it's hard not to be excited about what Woodson has done. Team looked good in the Bahamas, the players seem to love him, and he's crushing recruiting so far. I can't wait for the season

[Assembly Hall]

'21-'22 Schedule

https://iuhoosiers.com/sports/mens-basketball/schedule

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Not IU related.....yet?

https://www.si.com/college/indiana/basketball/former-indiana-high-school-legend-luke-brown-leaves-stetson-basketball-program

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Nice little read for Hoosier fans...

https://247sports.com/college/indiana/Article/Anthony-Leal-Trey-Galloway-Indiana-IUBB-IU-Hoosiers-Hoosier-Big-Ten-Basketball-Homegrown-Hysteria-Win-Media-Day-172415248/

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In case anyone missed it:

https://www.cbssports.com/college-basketball/news/indiana-basketball-recruiting-four-star-cg-jakai-newton-commits-to-hoosiers-on-cbs-sports-hq/

[Assembly Hall]

The Woodson era tips off tonight at 6 against Eastern Michigan. Go Hoosiers!

[Revering4Blue]

The Woodson era tips off tonight at 6 against Eastern Michigan. Go Hoosiers!Anxious moments last night, but at least they held on for the win. Still - and I realize that it was the opening game - the looming issues of poor 3 point marksmanship and bricking free throws seem quite alarming, and it may come down to actually being on the receiving end of fortunate breaks for a change.

IMHO, should even half of the breaks go 'our' way, which wasn't the case at all during the Miller era, the Hoosiers should return to NCAA tournament play. That's a start.

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[Assembly Hall]

Anxious moments last night, but at least they held on for the win. Still - and I realize that it was the opening game - the looming issues of poor 3 point marksmanship and bricking free throws seem quite alarming, and it may come down to actually being on the receiving end of fortunate breaks for a change.

IMHO, should even half of the breaks go 'our' way, which wasn't the case at all during the Miller era, the Hoosiers should return to NCAA tournament play. That's a start.

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Things were going according to plan until about 15 minutes to go. 21 point lead and then the bottom fell out. Archie ball reared it's ugly head.

And I think IU fans better get used to the opponents fouling down the stretch until the Hoosiers prove they can make them. And personally I don't think we have anybody that can be a consistent 3-pt. threat. I hope I am wrong and that someone will develop.

But a NCAAT birth is what most fans are after and I think we will easily get that.

[dubc47834]

Things were going according to plan until about 15 minutes to go. 21 point lead and then the bottom fell out. Archie ball reared it's ugly head.

And I think IU fans better get used to the opponents fouling down the stretch until the Hoosiers prove they can make them. And personally I don't think we have anybody that can be a consistent 3-pt. threat. I hope I am wrong and that someone will develop.

But a NCAAT birth is what most fans are after and I think we will easily get that.

I don't know about easily, but I do think they should make the field. I think we have a couple ugly losses early as Woody has a lot of coaching to do. If the new guys don't turn out to be better shooters than what we had last year, we aren't going to get much better results. TJD can only do so much in the post. If he hasn't developed some sort of jumper other teams are just going to pack it in on him. It's for sure gonna be an interesting season. I'm a believer in Woodson tho!

[Assembly Hall]

I don't know about easily, but I do think they should make the field. I think we have a couple ugly losses early as Woody has a lot of coaching to do. If the new guys don't turn out to be better shooters than what we had last year, we aren't going to get much better results. TJD can only do so much in the post. If he hasn't developed some sort of jumper other teams are just going to pack it in on him. It's for sure gonna be an interesting season. I'm a believer in Woodson tho!

It was just the 1st game under a new regime. So it is best to see how they fare the next game. If the 3-pt shooting woes continue I suspect that Woody might be forced insert Leal into the line-up in some shape or form. It is also worth noting that Lander is also still on the bench.

[dubc47834]

It was just the 1st game under a new regime. So it is best to see how they fare the next game. If the 3-pt shooting woes continue I suspect that Woody might be forced insert Leal into the line-up in some shape or form. It is also worth noting that Lander is also still on the bench.

I agree with all your points. It's probably not going to be till late December when we see what this is going to be for the year. Woody has done some great things so far, and I expect he will continue to do the same.

[Hoosier Red]

Things were going according to plan until about 15 minutes to go. 21 point lead and then the bottom fell out. Archie ball reared it's ugly head.

And I think IU fans better get used to the opponents fouling down the stretch until the Hoosiers prove they can make them. And personally I don't think we have anybody that can be a consistent 3-pt. threat. I hope I am wrong and that someone will develop.

But a NCAAT birth is what most fans are after and I think we will easily get that.

One thing that will help the overall free throw percentage is if Johnson can be a decent free throw shooter. Last year they had Al who was a good FT shooter but I never felt like Al really scared teams as a penetrator so he couldn't force fouls the way hopefully Johnson and Bates can.

[Assembly Hall]

One thing that will help the overall free throw percentage is if Johnson can be a decent free throw shooter. Last year they had Al who was a good FT shooter but I never felt like Al really scared teams as a penetrator so he couldn't force fouls the way hopefully Johnson and Bates can.

LOL on AL. Seemed like more than half the time he would charge into the lane and throw up some circus attempt and pray for the whistle while laying on his backside under the basket.

[Assembly Hall]

Much better showing last night.

[Assembly Hall]

4-0 and got to see some of the Lander potential.

[Strikes Out Looking]

Woody has regained a home field advantage for the Hoosiers - the test is now if they can win a few games on the road. Yesterday's performance against Minnesota was good, but they need to be consistent in trying to get the ball inside to the two big guys and let them distribute the ball when they can't get to the basket - the 3 pointers they were successful with yesterday were largely on the inside-out game.

[dubc47834]

Woody has regained a home field advantage for the Hoosiers - the test is now if they can win a few games on the road. Yesterday's performance against Minnesota was good, but they need to be consistent in trying to get the ball inside to the two big guys and let them distribute the ball when they can't get to the basket - the 3 pointers they were successful with yesterday were largely on the inside-out game.

It's great to see the home court advantage back. I think if they can lose no more than 2 at home, then win 2-4 on the road, they should be pretty good as far as making the tourney. I think they have a good shot and winning at least one of these next 2 that are on the road. I think both could be winnable if they play like they have recently.

[Hoosier Red]

It's great to see the home court advantage back. I think if they can lose no more than 2 at home, then win 2-4 on the road, they should be pretty good as far as making the tourney. I think they have a good shot and winning at least one of these next 2 that are on the road. I think both could be winnable if they play like they have recently.

I'm fairly encouraged by the way they played against Wisconsin and tPSU. They played relatively poorly but still had a chance to win both games. It's not like they need to play world's better to win, just a little bit better.

[dubc47834]

I'm fairly encouraged by the way they played against Wisconsin and tPSU. They played relatively poorly but still had a chance to win both games. It's not like they need to play world's better to win, just a little bit better.

I agree....the Wisconsin game was so disappointing looking back on it. They are a good team, we had them down and out, and let them back in it.

[dubc47834]

Yuuuuuuge win tonite!!!!!!!!!!

[dubc47834]

Yuuuuuuge win tonite!!!!!!!!!!

Aaaaannnnnddddd they follow it up with a bad loss. Not much has changed!!!

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Aaaaannnnnddddd they follow it up with a bad loss. Not much has changed!!!

Be interesting to see how they play tonight vs. Penn St.

[dubc47834]

Be interesting to see how they play tonight vs. Penn St.

A great 1st half, followed by a dud of a 2nd half. The way we played in the 1st half, we could beat ANYONE in the country. The 2nd half, we could get beat by ANYONE in the country!!!

[Assembly Hall]

A great 1st half, followed by a dud of a 2nd half. The way we played in the 1st half, we could beat ANYONE in the country. The 2nd half, we could get beat by ANYONE in the country!!!

LOL. True that. I am just happy with the W.

[dubc47834]

LOL. True that. I am just happy with the W.

Yes...any W is a good W. Some good news on Phinisee tho. Won't play Saturday, but day to day after that.

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Yes...any W is a good W. Some good news on Phinisee tho. Won't play Saturday, but day to day after that.

I will be curious to see how Rob's minutes get distributed come Saturday.

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Do or die time for my Hoosiers.

[dubc47834]

Do or die time for my Hoosiers.

Absolutely...these games are getting to be almost must wins. Tonite's game is huge, and getting a "W" against another ranked team will only help solidify a tourney bid. I completely understand why he had to suspend the 5, but man that lose hurts...big time!

[FlightRick]

Make no mistake: I'm a strong proponent of Instant Replay.

But I think there are limitations on what you review. If you say the ball was out of bounds to one team, you can check to make sure you got the right team, but you can't just randomly decide "Oh, the ball was never out of bounds. Ooops. We'll randomly give the ball to whoever we feel like."

I know all the rules for baseball, but is there a provision for playing a game under protest? If so, IU should be finishing this game that way.

[Assembly Hall]

NIT here we come. Ugh.

[dubc47834]

Make no mistake: I'm a strong proponent of Instant Replay.

But I think there are limitations on what you review. If you say the ball was out of bounds to one team, you can check to make sure you got the right team, but you can't just randomly decide "Oh, the ball was never out of bounds. Ooops. We'll randomly give the ball to whoever we feel like."

I know all the rules for baseball, but is there a provision for playing a game under protest? If so, IU should be finishing this game that way.

If I recall, one of the announcers even mentioned that he'd never seen that type of play reviewed. I agree that this shouldn't have been reviewed. Once that can of worms is opened, there's no getting them back in. I'm sure Wisconsin fans loved it tho.

[boxseat]

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[Assembly Hall]

This most likely makes six years without an NCAA tournament appearance. Unheard of in Bloomington.

I still have a tad bit of faith that the ship will be righted and the streak will end this year.

[Assembly Hall]

Another must win today. Hopefully XJ has the kind of game he did against Maryland.

[dubc47834]

Another must win today. Hopefully XJ has the kind of game he did against Maryland.

Must win for sure. Right now Lunardi has the as Last 4 in. A month ago they were a 7 seed

[Assembly Hall]

Well they tried to piss it away. Hoosiers still on life support.

[Assembly Hall]

And here we go again. Battle on the bubble in Bloomington tonight.

[dubc47834]

Well...I think we have a shot at the #1 seed in the NIT.

[Assembly Hall]

Well...I think we have a shot at the #1 seed in the NIT.

Just freakin' sad.

[dubc47834]

How bout dem Hoosiers!!!

[Assembly Hall]

How bout dem Hoosiers!!!

Appears that IU is on a revenge tour. Next up? Iowa.

[SunDeck]

Don Fisher, "I hate Jordan Bohannon".

[Hoosier Red]

Don Fisher, "I hate Jordan Bohannon".

Don't worry, no one's ever been granted a 15th year of eligibility so I'm pretty sure he's gone after this year.

[Assembly Hall]

Speaking of Jordans...the Hoosiers really missed Geronimo yesterday. Needed his defense.

[dubc47834]

Don Fisher, "I hate Jordan Bohannon".

I heard Bohannon is going to retire finally. Said he wanted to spend time with his grandkids!!!

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Our boys played like crap last night, but still pulled out the dubya. Says a lot when you can play bad and still win. Gonna need a lot better all around performance to beat St. Mary's.

[Assembly Hall]

Survive and advance.

[dubc47834]

Coach Woodson has a great class coming in next year. These guys play like they can, and TJD comes back, we are looking at a possible Top 10 team.

[Assembly Hall]

TJD is coming back.

[fearofpopvol1]

Seth Davis has IU currently ranked preseason #12 (the highest of any B10 team). Next highest ranked team is OSU at #21.

https://theathletic.com/3343215/2022/06/02/college-basketball-top-25-kentucky/


12. Indiana
Last time: NR

When Trayce Jackson-Davis came to Indiana as a freshman, most people thought he would stay just one or two years. On May 20, Jackson-Davis decided to withdraw from the draft and return to Bloomington for his senior season. That means Indiana will return four starters from the team that won its NCAA Tournament First Four game over Wyoming before losing to Saint Mary’s. Mike Woodson is also bringing in three freshmen who were ranked in the top 100 in the 247Sports Composite — 6-5 guard Jalen Hood-Schifino, 6-8 forward Malik Reneau and 6-8 forward Kaleb Banks.

[Assembly Hall]

Seth Davis has IU currently ranked preseason #12 (the highest of any B10 team). Next highest ranked team is OSU at #21.

https://theathletic.com/3343215/2022/06/02/college-basketball-top-25-kentucky/

It seems like it has been forever since I have been this excited about an upcoming season.

[Assembly Hall]

B1G schedule: https://www.insidethehall.com/2022/06/16/big-ten-announces-mens-basketball-conference-opponents-for-2022-23-season/?fbclid=IwAR15yBcgcaQ6af0E2jBcUywLrJcDqPQtaSs07kPF ymsfcNszZ6vaK5R_s74

[Revering4Blue]

It seems like it has been forever since I have been this excited about an upcoming season.

Hard to believe that the 12'-'13 season with "Dipo, Zeller, Hulls et all occurred a decade ago. That's the last time I believe that anyone of us were this excited about an upcoming season.

[dubc47834]

Hard to believe that the 12'-'13 season with "Dipo, Zeller, Hulls et all occurred a decade ago. That's the last time I believe that anyone of us were this excited about an upcoming season.

I know...my daughter goes to IU and I was just telling her the other day that if she has a chance to get tickets and doesn't, I'm going to disown her. I was only kidding...kinda...LOL. This season is going to be exciting for sure, should be the best since the Crean years. Which says a lot!

[Assembly Hall]

Hard to believe that the 12'-'13 season with "Dipo, Zeller, Hulls et all occurred a decade ago. That's the last time I believe that anyone of us were this excited about an upcoming season.

I hope it is worth the wait.