8-20-21 Reds vs Miami 7:10pm

[Ron Madden]

Reds
1. Jonathan India (R) 2B
2. Tyler Naquin (L) CF
3. Nick Castellanos (R) RF
4. Joey Votto (L) 1B
5. Kyle Farmer (R) SS
6. Mike Moustakas (L) 3B
7. Aristides Aquino (R) LF
8. Tucker Barnhart (L) C
9. Sonny Gray (R) P

Marlins
1. Miguel Rojas (R) SS
2. Jazz Chisholm Jr. (L) 2B
3. Jesus Aguilar (R) 1B
4. Jesus Sanchez (L) RF
5. Brian Anderson (R) 3B
6. Lewis Brinson (R) CF
7. Jorge Alfaro (R) LF
8. Alex Jackson (R) C
9. Elieser Hernandez (R) P

[JFLegal]

gotta do this every month or so: thanks as always to ron for posting the lineup(s). david bell gives him the goods before anyone else. that is called relationship-building.

[reds44]

Go reds

[NCReds]

Can the Reds be tied for a wc spot after tonight? These upcoming games are going to be crucial, Padres are 3-7 in their last 10 games. We all know the Padres are way better than 3-7 over their last 10 so I expect to see them go on a pretty solid run here very soon, which means we need to go on a streak ourselves in order to stay in the race or take the wc spot. Let’s go Redlegs!

[KeefeCato]

Can the Reds be tied for a wc spot after tonight? These upcoming games are going to be crucial, Padres are 3-7 in their last 10 games. We all know the Padres are way better than 3-7 over their last 10 so I expect to see them go on a pretty solid run here very soon, which means we need to go on a streak ourselves in order to stay in the race or take the wc spot. Let’s go Redlegs!

Yes I agree. Even with a tough schedule you gotta figure the Padres will reel off a 6 games or more winning streak at some point.

[Boston Red]

Well, the Pads have to face the great Matt Moore tonight, so their slide continues!

Seriously, though, it's a shame Moore got hurt early in his career. He was poised to be a superstar.

[Ron Madden]

My Son is taking me to the game!

[KeefeCato]

My Son is taking me to the game!

Enjoy. Bring home a W.

[Mitri]

Needs more Barrero.

[OldFashionedRed]

Well, the Pads have to face the great Matt Moore tonight, so their slide continues!

Seriously, though, it's a shame Moore got hurt early in his career. He was poised to be a superstar.

I knew a guy named Matt Moore in high school (Kentucky). He was a bully. Maybe Matt's alter ego can bully the Padres tonight!

[Ron Madden]

Brian Giesenschlag
@BGiesenschlag

#Reds announce ALL night games in 2022 at GABP will be 6:40pm starts. Change is partly based on fan feedback.

[mhs95_06]

They will still end about the same time they used to in the 1960's when the starting time was 8:05, and was not daylight savings time.

[OldFashionedRed]

They will still end about the same time they used to in the 1960's when the starting time was 8:05, and was not daylight savings time.

:lol::lol:

[Ironman92]

Not based on left fielder feedback

[Ky Fried Redleg]

Needs more Barrero.

And less Moose.

[KeefeCato]

Needs more Barrero.

He is just not going to play. He really needs to be back in AAA rather than sit the bench. I would send him down call up Lopez or Schrock.

[KeefeCato]

And less Moose.

We all get it. You don't like Moose and he is fat. And he makes 16 mil. Pretty sure you have told us that a few 100 times already.

[Ky Fried Redleg]

I knew a guy named Matt Moore in high school (Kentucky). He was a bully. Maybe Matt's alter ego can bully the Padres tonight!

Me too. Hope it's not the same one. This guy was an arsenist. Maybe the Phils' Matt can channel both of these bad Matt's and bully Crybaby Machado and light a fire under his own team for a weekend series win over the Fathers.

[Rantly]

Not a fan of the 6:40 starts.

[RiverfrontRed]

Does he look at a magic 8 ball to decide where to bat Farmer??

[TheBigLebowski]

My Son is taking me to the game!

We’ve arranged for a live feed of the game thread to the GABP jumbotron if things start going badly.

[757690]

So Jim Day is doing PBP tonight. Any one know what happened to Sadak?

[Sassy Sal]

So Jim Day is doing PBP tonight. Any one know what happened to Sadak?

No, but I'm fine with JD. Maybe just a day off.

[RollyInRaleigh]

I’m not a big Jim Day fan, but I’d take him every day of the week and twice on Sundays over Sadak. He’s way better.


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[Ky Fried Redleg]

We all get it. You don't like Moose and he is fat. And he makes 16 mil. Pretty sure you have told us that a few 100 times already.

If the Reds' skipper was KeefeCato, what would you do about Moustakas? Keep running him out there to play through this 1 for 30 or whatever it is. I think he's a liability. He didn't seem to come back off the injury in very good playing shape. Maybe I'm wrong, but I let the kid play short and move Farmer to the hot corner. Or maybe let Geno get some more AB's. I feel more confident in Geno running into a few balls than I do Mike.

I open the question up to every Reds' fan on here -- what you do with Mousse? Some have said give him time to work his way back. I say back from where? His career stats are not that eye-popping ( .250 ave. , 750 OPS). He hit .285 one season years ago. Take out that one season and his career numbers are even less inspiring. I have nowhere near the baseball intellect of a David Bell or many of you fans, so what say you about Mike Moustakas? Keep in mind there are 40 games left and the Cards are one game back of us in the loss column. There has to be a sense of urgency when it comes to guys that are just seemingly lost and that have become a real liability moving forward.

Btw, sorry for the typos in the original. I typed way too fast.

[RollyInRaleigh]

Good start!


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[Larry Schuler]

Keep believing, Reds fans!

[Larry Schuler]

India’s bones were *just* strong enough to absorb the velocity of that ball. Good job, Reds fan kingdom.

[Mitri]

I’m not a big Jim Day fan, but I’d take him every day of the week and twice on Sundays over Sadak. He’s way better.


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Just listening to Day do pbp for 5 minutes tells me this is incorrect. I like Day in his role as man in the seats much better. Voice is cloying in large doses.

[cincinnati chili]

So Jim Day is doing PBP tonight. Any one know what happened to Sadak?

I’m also asking this question. Didn’t think he has the seniority yet to earn a cushy Marty schedule so I figure he’s sick or has a family obligation or something. Wanted to make sure he didn’t go Brockmire or something and get himself in trouble.

[Mitri]

Man Larkin really has a man crush on Rojas. Two nights in a row he’s been slobbering over his “gifts”.

[mhs95_06]

Great job of situational hitting by Farmer getting that 2nd run in. Common failure in that situation is for the hitter to fool around and get 2 strikes, but he fouled the first pitch and got a good SF on the 2nd.

[podgejeff_]

He's safe.

[Red Raindog]

Looks safe to me on the steal


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[KeefeCato]

If the Reds' skipper was KeefeCato, what would you do about Moustakas? Keep running him out there to play through this 1 for 30 or whatever it is. I think he's a liability. He didn't seem to come back off the injury in very good playing shape. Maybe I'm wrong, but I let the kid play short and move Farmer to the hot corner. Or maybe let Geno get some more AB's. I feel more confident in Geno running into a few balls than I do Mike.

I open the question up to every Reds' fan on here -- what you do with Mousse? Some have said give him time to work his way back. I say back from where? His career stats are not that eye-popping ( .250 ave. , 750 OPS). He hit .285 one season years ago. Take out that one season and his career numbers are even less inspiring. I have nowhere near the baseball intellect of a David Bell or many of you fans, so what say you about Mike Moustakas? Keep in mind there are 40 games left and the Cards are one game back of us in the loss column. There has to be a sense of urgency when it comes to guys that are just seemingly lost and that have become a real liability moving forward.

Btw, sorry for the typos in the original. I typed way too fast.

You play Moose. Moose can hit he is in a funk. Most hitters don't come off of long layoffs and hit right away. Just about every team in a playoff chase would play the Vet over the kid. Fans always wanna give up on the Vet when he is struggling and play the hot prospect. If the Reds were not in the race. Then yes you play the kid. But they are and the Vets are going to play. Had Barrero began the season with the Reds like India then I believe he would be the starting SS now. But they didn't deem him ready in Apr.
Best thing for Barreo would be sent back to AAA so he can play regular. Call up Lopez or Schrock for the bench.

[Red Raindog]

Gray looked so dominant in the first three innings but he sure can lose it quickly


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[mhs95_06]

What a throw by Naquin! 3rd base coach and baserunner made the right decision!

[podgejeff_]

Great throw by Naquin and the deke by Votto.

[JohnnyBench5]

Go Red Legs!

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[mhs95_06]

I wonder if Shogo was in CF, he would have properly deferred to AA for the throw.

[Red Raindog]

And fortunately this time he got it back quickly


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[podgejeff_]

Rough inning and Gray toughs it out, pitch count is still within the good range. Very nice.

[Tom Servo]

Nice to see Sonny escape the 4th unscathed, that’s where things have started to go south for him recently.

[RollyInRaleigh]

Just listening to Day do pbp for 5 minutes tells me this is incorrect. I like Day in his role as man in the seats much better. Voice is cloying in large doses.

As opposed to the disgusting excess of Sadak. Yeah right...


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[Tadasimha]

What? Some team other than the Reds loaded the bases and didn't score a run? I was assured by gamethread commentary that it only happened to the Reds!

Stop the world, I want to get off!
:laugh:

[podgejeff_]

Kyle Farmer is having himself a game.

[JohnnyBench5]

I wonder if Shogo was in CF, he would have properly deferred to AA for the throw.Naquin did fine and had the better line...

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[mhs95_06]

Moose took 5 swings and couldn't get a grounder or SF! Poor!

[TheBigLebowski]

I can’t take any more Mousse.

[Tom Servo]

Moose has made a new home on the struggle bus. Yeesh.

[dakota42]

At least Geno can pop a homer every now and then.

[Ky Fried Redleg]

You play Moose. Moose can hit he is in a funk. Most hitters don't come off of long layoffs and hit right away. Just about every team in a playoff chase would play the Vet over the kid. Fans always wanna give up on the Vet when he is struggling and play the hot prospect. If the Reds were not in the race. Then yes you play the kid. But they are and the Vets are going to play. Had Barrero began the season with the Reds like India then I believe he would be the starting SS now. But they didn't deem him ready in Apr.
Best thing for Barreo would be sent back to AAA so he can play regular. Call up Lopez or Schrock for the bench.

Thanks,I appreciate your response. I'm just not convinced he can hit. Unless one calls .210 and .230 being able to hit(what he has hit since the Reds have paid his salary).

[mhs95_06]

Naquin did fine and had the better line...

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I agree, I think he was the right guy to take that and make the throw. Aquino is stronger, but less accurate, but Shogo should never be the the one to make the throw on that play!

[Ky Fried Redleg]

At least Geno can pop a homer every now and then.

Yep.

[Tom Servo]

Thanks,I appreciate your response. I'm just not convinced he can hit. Unless one calls .210 and .230 being able to hit(what he has hit since the Reds have paid his salary).
.799 OPS last year

[mhs95_06]

Poor, poor situational hitting by 7 and 8 hitters! Maybe Sonny can bail them out and then retire the 7,8,9 hitters.

[JohnnyBench5]

What? Some team other than the Reds loaded the bases and didn't score a run? I was assured by gamethread commentary that it only happened to the Reds!

Stop the world, I want to get off!
[emoji23]Don't worry we will match them soon...oh look we are going to in our next at bat...

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[JohnnyBench5]

The Moose is not loose and he is crapping all over the field...I assume all the money left in his contract is guaranteed...sigh...

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[JohnnyBench5]

On the other hand...do an AL...Just win baby!

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[RedsBrick]

That one hurts.

[Redsfan5]

Free Geno!


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[Roy Tucker]

That’s really true about the NYT crossword. Monday to Thursday is doable, Friday is hard, I usually don’t get Saturday done, and Sunday is a b*tch.

[Mitri]

Aquino needs a new home. I think I’d rather see Barrero out there than AA. Definitely Schrock vs righties.

[Ky Fried Redleg]

The Moose is not loose and he is crapping all over the field...I assume all the money left in his contract is guaranteed...sigh...

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Just take that last Reds' inning and fast forward a few weeks to Dodger Stadium. Do you want Moustakas at the dish in a tight "win or go home "game with two in scoring position and less than two outs? He's a rally killer waiting to happen.

[kaldaniels]

There will be no “Play Geno” allowed for the rest of the year while I’m on watch.

Moose can hit .000 and I’m starting him out of spite.

[Tadasimha]

Sonny through 5 on only 60 pitches. Impressive
17582

[Mitri]

Just take that last Reds' inning and fast forward a few weeks to Dodger Stadium. Do you want Moustakas at the dish in a tight "win or go home "game with two in scoring position and less than two outs? He's a rally killer waiting to happen.

Moose has been bad but has definitely earned more rope to get his timing back.

Give it a rest, dude.

[Roy Tucker]

Just take that last Reds' inning and fast forward a few weeks to Dodger Stadium. Do you want Moustakas at the dish in a tight "win or go home "game with two in scoring position and less than two outs? He's a rally killer waiting to happen.

Actually, yes. He’ll come around. And he’s a proven veteran hitter. Aquino? No.

[Tom Servo]

Just take that last Reds' inning and fast forward a few weeks to Dodger Stadium. Do you want Moustakas at the dish in a tight "win or go home "game with two in scoring position and less than two outs? He's a rally killer waiting to happen.
The hope is that by that time he’s gotten back into rhythm after this slump. Obviously if he’s still doing this for another two weeks you can’t play him but for now it’s been what, maybe 50 PAs at most? He doesn’t get an endless rope but he does get more slack than that.

[kaldaniels]

Tejay could be back on Tuesday…

[Tadasimha]

Boomstick!

[Big Klu]

Not a fan of the 6:40 starts.

Definitely not a fan. I always miss the first half hour of the 6:40 starts on radio or TV, and this pretty much ends any chance of me making it to another night game. Normally for a 7:00 start, I roll into town between 6:00 and 6:30. (I can't get there any sooner.) With the new 6:40 start, it won't leave me much wiggle room for any unforeseen circumstances.

[podgejeff_]

God Naquin destroyed that.

[Redsfan5]

Naquin RED HOT


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[Ky Fried Redleg]

Naquin's bat looks really, really good right now. He's locked in.

[mhs95_06]

Naquin takes care of that middle, middle slider!

[kaldaniels]

Most other broadcasts couldn’t give a damn whether or not India (or someone on that club) goes “flaps down,” yet it’s been the topic of discussion for the week.

Which then segues into a riff on “Dunner.”

Gotta love Cincy media.

[TheBigLebowski]

Naquin. NICE.

[Roy Tucker]

Hearing Lark talk about Dunn (I’m sure I’ve mentioned it before) but I saw Larkin and Dunn hanging out at the Forest Fair Mall back in the day. Larkin looked like very athletic guy but Dunn looked like an NFL defensive end.

[kaldaniels]

Oh hell no.

[Redsfan5]

Vottmatic


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[podgejeff_]

Eventually they're gonna think twice about throwing inside to Cast with Votto right behind him.

[TheBigLebowski]

Joseph. Daniel.

[Reds Fanatic]

Joey Votto!

[Larry Schuler]

Strongest bones in Reds history.

Congrats, JDV.

[Powel Crosley]

You hit a guy? You give up a Votto home run!!

[Ky Fried Redleg]

See Moose, it's that damn easy!!!! lol

[Tadasimha]

Vottomus Prime!

[UKWhoDey]

Listening on Sirius so I'm like 2 min behind you TV viewers. Naquin is some kind of red hot tonight!!!!! Castellanos, take your base hoss!

[Roy Tucker]

Such a quick bat.

[kaldaniels]

Day cued that call up nicely.

Sadak often tries but it never works out for him.

[KeefeCato]

Thanks,I appreciate your response. I'm just not convinced he can hit. Unless one calls .210 and .230 being able to hit(what he has hit since the Reds have paid his salary).

You just have to ride it out at least for a while with him. Naquin was bad after April now he is on fire again. People wanted him benched. Farmer was bad first 3 months people wanted him benched then he got hot. Most hitters are up and down during the long season. Not everybody is going to be hot all season or at the same time. You just got to hope everyone don't go cold all at once. I believe in Moose. But I believed in Geno as well and he is not going to hit at all this season.
But ride with Moose give him some time to work through this. Now if the rest of the lineup goes cold and they need offence then you look at making the switch to bench Moose. We need Moose. He has postseason exp.

[adampad]

Jim Day called it. Last four times Nick was hit by pitch, Votto homers. Crazy.

[Redsfan5]

Here comes Donnie Baseball


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[Larkin Fan]

Votto is amazing.

[RedForLife]

Jim Day called it. Last four times Nick was hit by pitch, Votto homers. Crazy.

Can we get Nick to step a little closer to the plate from here on out, then? I only ask because Joey's on fire!

[Big Klu]

#notelite


Updated Reds HR list (players in italics are active):

Reds 100-Home Run Club
1. Johnny Bench - 389
2. Frank Robinson - 324
3. Joey Votto - 323
4. Tony Pérez - 287
5. Adam Dunn - 270
6. Ted Kluszewski - 251
7. George Foster - 244
8. Jay Bruce - 233
9. Ken Griffey, Jr. - 210
10. Eric Davis - 203
11. Barry Larkin - 198
12. Brandon Phillips - 191
13. Vada Pinson - 186
14. Eugenio Suárez - 181
15. Wally Post - 172
16. Gus Bell - 160
17. Joe Morgan - 152
17. Pete Rose - 152
19. Lee May - 147
20. Dan Driessen - 133
21. Reggie Sanders - 125
22. Ernie Lombardi - 120
23. Sean Casey - 118
24. Frank McCormick - 110
25. Todd Frazier - 108
26. Dave Parker - 107
27. Chris Sabo - 104
28. Dave Concepción - 101

[KeefeCato]

Jim Day called it. Last four times Nick was hit by pitch, Votto homers. Crazy.

Votto has got Castellanos back everytime.

[Roy Tucker]

I guess Mattingly must really love baseball. I can’t imagine he needs the money. But to be the manager of the Marlins can’t be that much fun.

[podgejeff_]

#notelite



Note lite indeed.

[Ky Fried Redleg]

Okay Moose...it's time, guy. It's time. Let's get a hit.

[JohnnyBench5]

There will be no “Play Geno” allowed for the rest of the year while I’m on watch.

Moose can hit .000 and I’m starting him out of spite.Bench both of them...

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[podgejeff_]

I guess Mattingly must really love baseball. I can’t imagine he needs the money. But to be the manager of the Marlins can’t be that much fun.

Something tells me Mattingly really, really loves baseball.

[KeefeCato]

#notelite


Updated Reds HR list (players in italics are active):

Reds 100-Home Run Club
1. Johnny Bench - 389
2. Frank Robinson - 324
3. Joey Votto - 323
4. Tony Pérez - 287
5. Adam Dunn - 270
6. Ted Kluszewski - 251
7. George Foster - 244
8. Jay Bruce - 233
9. Ken Griffey, Jr. - 210
10. Eric Davis - 203
11. Barry Larkin - 198
12. Brandon Phillips - 191
13. Vada Pinson - 186
14. Eugenio Suárez - 181
15. Wally Post - 172
16. Gus Bell - 160
17. Joe Morgan - 152
17. Pete Rose - 152
19. Lee May - 147
20. Dan Driessen - 133
21. Reggie Sanders - 125
22. Ernie Lombardi - 120
23. Sean Casey - 118
24. Frank McCormick - 110
25. Todd Frazier - 108
26. Dave Parker - 107
27. Chris Sabo - 104
28. Dave Concepción - 101

I called it about 15 HRs ago. That Votto was going to pass Frank.

[podgejeff_]

I called it about 15 HRs ago. That Votto was going to pass Frank.

I'll call it now: he passes Bench too.

[GullyFoyle]

Bench both of them...

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Farmer to third.

[Regulus]

My mention would jinx for the future, so I won't refer to it directly but that is ****ing amazing.

[podgejeff_]

Farmer to third.

You know, Senzel started as a 3b. Just sayin'...

[KeefeCato]

Something tells me Mattingly really, really loves baseball.

The Marlins could be the Yankees or at least the Rays. Most seasons. If they held onto there talent in the past. They need to just relocate both Florida teams. That state doesn't deserve a MLB team. Look at the Rays best record in the AL and they are breaking attendance records for lowest crowds. That is sad. I feel for the few hardcore Rays fans.

[mhs95_06]

OK Sonny, your out of slam range, no more than 2 balls to any hitter! If you don't give up any walks and no more than 3 hits you should get 7 innings in.

[KeefeCato]

Hope your right. Health will play a big part.

[Ironman92]

All those years Clint Purple Hurdle and the Pirates kept hitting Reds hitters and everyone always screaming to hit them back….the correct way to retaliate is being shown by Votto.

Just do that.

[JohnnyBench5]

I called it about 15 HRs ago. That Votto was going to pass Frank.Yea...I remember that...don't hurt yourself patting yourself on the back though...

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[RedsBrick]

You know, Senzel started as a 3b. Just sayin'...

As he heads back to the IL, Senzel feels all but forgotten.

[Roy Tucker]

Maybe Votto will go on a Ted Williams-like late 30’s run. From age 37 to 39, Williams went 1.084, 1.257, 1.042 OPS.

[Redsfan5]

E2 still best defensive catcher in BB


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[mhs95_06]

Did that cost Tucker the gold glove?

[Larkin Fan]

Wow, E2 on Barnhart due to catcher's interference. The error less streak is over.

[mhs95_06]

Did that cost Tucker the gold glove?

I heard that this year Tucker is not ranked the best in the same ratings they used to award him the GG last season.

[Roy Tucker]

Was Barnhart close up to the batter or was the batter way back in the batters box?

[Ky Fried Redleg]

Baltimore headed for their 16th consecutive loss!

[PuffyPig]

Did that cost Tucker the gold glove?

I assume this is a joke. Other catchers have errors you know. Many in fact.


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[Big Klu]

I called it about 15 HRs ago. That Votto was going to pass Frank.

You called it 15 hours ago? Not exactly Nostradamus there! :D

[RedForLife]

You just have to ride it out at least for a while with him. Naquin was bad after April now he is on fire again. People wanted him benched. Farmer was bad first 3 months people wanted him benched then he got hot. Most hitters are up and down during the long season. Not everybody is going to be hot all season or at the same time. You just got to hope everyone don't go cold all at once. I believe in Moose. But I believed in Geno as well and he is not going to hit at all this season.
But ride with Moose give him some time to work through this. Now if the rest of the lineup goes cold and they need offence then you look at making the switch to bench Moose. We need Moose. He has postseason exp.

This is what Geno has done for the Reds:

Year Age Tm Lg G PA AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI SB CS BB SO BA OBP SLG OPS OPS+ TB GDP HBP SH SF IBB Pos Awards
2014 22 DET AL 85 277 244 33 59 9 1 4 23 3 2 22 67 .242 .316 .336 .652 85 82 3 5 5 1 1 6/H5D
2015 23 CIN NL 97 398 372 42 104 19 2 13 48 4 1 17 94 .280 .315 .446 .761 106 166 7 3 4 2 0 6/H5
2016 24 CIN NL 159 627 565 78 140 25 2 21 70 11 5 51 155 .248 .317 .411 .728 92 232 10 8 0 3 0 *5/H6D
2017 25 CIN NL 156 632 534 87 139 25 2 26 82 4 5 84 147 .260 .367 .461 .828 115 246 16 9 0 5 1 *5/H6
2018 26 CIN NL 143 606 527 79 149 22 2 34 104 1 1 64 142 .283 .366 .526 .892 136 277 20 9 0 6 7 *5/6H AS,MVP-18
2019 27 CIN NL 159 662 575 87 156 22 2 49 103 3 2 70 189 .271 .358 .572 .930 129 329 12 11 0 6 4 *5/HD MVP-15
2020 28 CIN NL 57 231 198 29 40 8 0 15 38 2 0 30 67 .202 .312 .470 .781 98 93 5 2 0 1 1 *5
2021 29 CIN NL 114 472 419 55 72 15 0 23 65 0 1 44 144 .172 .258 .372 .631 58 156 12 6 0 3 0 56/H
Johnny Bench had a terrible year in 1971. Should we have traded him? In 1972 he was voted the MVP for the 2nd time. You never know in this game. I'm willing to give Suarez a mulligan for this season. If he starts in the remaining 38 games he's projected to have 87 rbi's. That's ok in my book. And I'm not willing to give up his power and experience just because of one bad season (I don't include 2020). I'm not a fair-weather fan and he's earned the benefit of the doubt. There are several members of this forum that was calling for Joey Votto to step aside before this season because they perceived his skills are diminsished. BS! Eugenio will come back!

[podgejeff_]

Was Barnhart close up to the batter or was the batter way back in the batters box?

Honestly I really wasn't sure how it happened. Tucker didn't look too far up or anything and Aguilar was in the batter's box. I just think Aguilar has a really long swing or something.

[GullyFoyle]

Was Barnhart close up to the batter or was the batter way back in the batters box?

The batter was way back. I thought someone would say something about him being out of the box … hard to tell with the chalk lines.

[mhs95_06]

Moose is an adventure waiting to happen at 3B!

[GullyFoyle]

The batter was way back. I thought someone would say something about him being out of the box … hard to tell with the chalk lines.

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[podgejeff_]

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20210821/cf9a6438c5cee1d61b3b48eb977aa3b3.jpg

There ya go.

[JohnnyBench5]

Nice pick by Votto...if Moose is going to be throwing the ball to first like that regularly...bring in the rook.

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[mhs95_06]

There ya go.

But look how far forward Tucker was reaching. The C has to wait for the pitch to come to him and not reach forward. I think that is the most common cause of that interference, catchers losing their discipline on not reaching forward, combined with a hitter trying to wait as long as possible to spoil a middle of the zone height pitch.

[Redsfan5]

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Do AG Slater have a Pierre Delecto Account


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[Alf_Red_E]

Who would have thought scoreboard watching as September approaches

[NCReds]

Feels great to see Sonny have a game like this again. Feels like he hasn’t had a game like this in forever. And still has more in the tank….

[RedsBrick]

Have a game, Sonny.

[JohnnyBench5]

Any news on whether Amir and Donothing are even dressed?

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[Alf_Red_E]

41-13 after the starter goes 6 would be better if the bullpen wasn't so horrible

[mhs95_06]

Have a game, Sonny.

69% strikes!

[RedsBrick]

That first base ump wears a high hat.

[Roy Tucker]

Any news on whether Amir and Donothing are even dressed?

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They were sent to bed with no dinner.

[Ky Fried Redleg]

I reiterate what I said in the other thread. One WC game, Dodger Stadium --- what about Sonny for (1-5) , Lorenzen for (6-7), Givens(8-9) ? It won't happen, of course, but it's not a bad plan. Sonny is a gamer on the big stage.

[KeefeCato]

This is what Geno has done for the Reds:

Year Age Tm Lg G PA AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI SB CS BB SO BA OBP SLG OPS OPS+ TB GDP HBP SH SF IBB Pos Awards
2014 22 DET AL 85 277 244 33 59 9 1 4 23 3 2 22 67 .242 .316 .336 .652 85 82 3 5 5 1 1 6/H5D
2015 23 CIN NL 97 398 372 42 104 19 2 13 48 4 1 17 94 .280 .315 .446 .761 106 166 7 3 4 2 0 6/H5
2016 24 CIN NL 159 627 565 78 140 25 2 21 70 11 5 51 155 .248 .317 .411 .728 92 232 10 8 0 3 0 *5/H6D
2017 25 CIN NL 156 632 534 87 139 25 2 26 82 4 5 84 147 .260 .367 .461 .828 115 246 16 9 0 5 1 *5/H6
2018 26 CIN NL 143 606 527 79 149 22 2 34 104 1 1 64 142 .283 .366 .526 .892 136 277 20 9 0 6 7 *5/6H AS,MVP-18
2019 27 CIN NL 159 662 575 87 156 22 2 49 103 3 2 70 189 .271 .358 .572 .930 129 329 12 11 0 6 4 *5/HD MVP-15
2020 28 CIN NL 57 231 198 29 40 8 0 15 38 2 0 30 67 .202 .312 .470 .781 98 93 5 2 0 1 1 *5
2021 29 CIN NL 114 472 419 55 72 15 0 23 65 0 1 44 144 .172 .258 .372 .631 58 156 12 6 0 3 0 56/H
Johnny Bench had a terrible year in 1971. Should we have traded him? In 1972 he was voted the MVP for the 2nd time. You never know in this game. I'm willing to give Suarez a mulligan for this season. If he starts in the remaining 38 games he's projected to have 87 rbi's. That's ok in my book. And I'm not willing to give up his power and experience just because of one bad season (I don't include 2020). I'm not a fair-weather fan and he's earned the benefit of the doubt. There are several members of this forum that was calling for Joey Votto to step aside before this season because they perceived his skills are diminsished. BS! Eugenio will come back!

WOAH Wait I said Geno is not going to hit this season. I never said I gave up on him.

[RedsBrick]

5-0 lead, Sims. Pump strikes.

[Tadasimha]

Would have let Sonny start the 8th, personally

[mhs95_06]

Sims goes 1-2 on the first hitter, then never throws another strike and walks him!

[JohnnyBench5]

Good thing we pulled the pitcher throwing a one hitter...

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[Mitri]

Sims just hasn't been good at all this season.

[TheBigLebowski]

Good gravy Sims is pure crap.

[JP321]

Bell has overmanaged this situation. He should have let Gray pitch 8th.. and now it's 5-3

[Larkin Fan]

Nice way to ruin a great shutout by Gray.

[mhs95_06]

If the ump would have properly called the first pitch strike, Sims wouldn't have gone back in to the wheelhouse of many lefties!

[Roy Tucker]

Well.

[stvnegert]

Didnt Johnny Bench win a Gold Glove and hit .238 during his terrible year? I would take that from Geno every year!!

[Larkin Fan]

Would have let Sonny start the 8th, personally

Anything else was overthinking it.

[JP321]

I mean, I have backed Bell a lot this yr, but this is 100% on him

[KeefeCato]

WTF is the matter with you...you don't know crap about whether Florida deserves MLB. We are the 3rd most populous state...almost twice as many folks as Ohio...Ohio is Florida's b...h. Get out of here with that weak sauce...and they went to the World Series last year. Bite me!

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What you should do is block me. I have had you blocked for a while. I would not have even saw your comment but others quoted you. Florida is a great state. But they don't deserve a baseball team because they don't support the teams they have. First place Rays Record low crowds. I am not from Ohio.

[mhs95_06]

Anything else was overthinking it.

I disagree.

[TheBigLebowski]

Bell has overmanaged this situation. He should have let Gray pitch 8th.. and now it's 5-3

Combine Bell’s decision making and this bullpen’s ability to start a wildfire in Antarctica and this is what happens.

[Tom Servo]

I’ve stuck up for Sims at times this year but this is just flat out bad

[JohnnyBench5]

Bell has overmanaged this situation. He should have let Gray pitch 8th.. and now it's 5-3The Reds are in first place if Counsel was our manager...Bell is TURRIBLE...

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[Wonderful Monds]

Sims now up to a shiny 5.91 ERA


The guy is starting be closer to the Amir Garrett tier of Reds reliever than the Tejay Antone tier

[Larkin Fan]

I disagree.

Okay...

[TexasRedsFan]

I guess Bell was dying to get someone a save opportunity.

Hopefully next year's Reds will have enough actual relievers to finally cut bait on these fringe guys like Sims.

[JP321]

His thinking was, don't burn Gray in a game we should easily win... now u have let lead slip and are gonna have to burn our closer in a game he shouldn't have to pitch to hold on. And I mean not let Gray throw 100+ pitches

[KeefeCato]

Do AG Slater have a Pierre Delecto Account


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Yes I think so. I know they hate me.

[Tom Servo]

You’re free to get on Bell for taking out Gray but I’d estimate 9 out of 10 managers probably do the same thing so you’re tilting at windmills, managers just don’t leave starters like they used to.

[KeefeCato]

I’ve stuck up for Sims at times this year but this is just flat out bad

I wonder how Antione will be post sticky?

[M2]

Sims just hasn't been good at all this season.

It's time to send Lucas to the cornfield.

[JP321]

You’re free to get on Bell for taking out Gray but I’d estimate 9 out of 10 managers probably do the same thing so you’re tilting at windmills, managers just don’t leave starters like they used to.

I get his thinking. But now he is trying to hold on to a win he should have EASILY had. So he better hope we finish this game off and never pull this stunt again

[Roy Tucker]

Yeah, pulling Sonny after 7 innings wasn’t a bad move. It’s not just this game, it’s the accumulated wear on Gray’s arm and giving him a little oomph on his next start. Of course, we have to assume that the bullpen will be decent and not give up 3 run bombs.

[Mitri]

It's time to send Lucas to the cornfield.

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[KeefeCato]

You’re free to get on Bell for taking out Gray but I’d estimate 9 out of 10 managers probably do the same thing so you’re tilting at windmills, managers just don’t leave starters like they used to.

Yes it is not like Gray hasn't had injury trouble. 60 Games last year. All managers are trying to cut innings back when possible. You want to have Gray healthy for a playoff chance. This is 100% on Sims.

[Ky Fried Redleg]

Sims is another one of our relievers that leaves me reaching for a nerve pill.

[RedsBrick]

I agree that Gray pitched a whale of a game and he was done. He has rarely pitched past 5 this year, so 7 complete was stellar.

Sims simply needs to pitch better.

[Mitri]

Antone and Winker can't come back quickly enough. Both dudes are kind of essential to finishing this run off.

[coryfly]

You’re free to get on Bell for taking out Gray but I’d estimate 9 out of 10 managers probably do the same thing so you’re tilting at windmills, managers just don’t leave starters like they used to.

I agree. Thought going to the BP was an easy call. Personally, I thought you pull Sims after three batters because that is what he deserved after walking the leadoff guy up 5-0. That was were the mistake was IMO. However, that means you would have had to have someone warming which I guess wasn't the case.

[Wonderful Monds]

Antone and Winker can't come back quickly enough. Both dudes are kind of essential to finishing this run off.

As mentioned by others, I’m worried what Antone is gonna be when he comes back since we haven’t seen what he can do without the spider tack magic stuff.


Also damn man it just feels like that dude has been gone forever at this point in general

[WVRedsFan]

We should now refer to Sims, Doolittle, and many others as the old bullpen A


Those that usual fail should be referred to as the old bullpen and Cessa, Lorenzen, Wilson (and others) as the new bullpen and forbid Bell to use the old bullpen. And yes, poor judgment on not letting Sonny start the 8th. Just very poor. Simms should be kept for blowouts only.

[JohnnyBench5]

What you should do is block me. I have had you blocked for a while. I would not have even saw your comment but others quoted you. Florida is a great state. But they don't deserve a baseball team because they don't support the teams they have. First place Rays Record low crowds. I am not from Ohio.I am not scared to hear things I disagree with so I block no one. Ohio deserves no baseball because they haven't won a World Series in decades...my comment is as silly as yours except I didn't actually mean mine. Attendance isn't everything nowadays based on ease of watching games in several formats now...there are several playoff games every year that don't sell out... your claim is silly and was called out... other stuff you say I have no problem with...normally.

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[Wonderful Monds]

I am not scared to hear things I disagree with so I block no one. Ohio deserves no baseball because they haven't won a World Series in decades...my comment is as silly as yours except I didn't actually mean mine. Attendance isn't everything nowadays based on ease of watching games in several formats now...there are several playoff games every year that don't sell out... your claim is silly and was called out... other stuff you say I have no problem with...normally.

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No one cares.

[Roy Tucker]

Never understood why the Reds pretty well gave away Dylan Floro to the Dodgers.

[mhs95_06]

Sims is another one of our relievers that leaves me reaching for a nerve pill.

Managers need a lot of nerve. The trick for them is to get more total wins by getting less easy wins!

[M2]

I get his thinking. But now he is trying to hold on to a win he should have EASILY had. So he better hope we finish this game off and never pull this stunt again

I expect he'll take the option of handing his relievers a clean inning more often than not.

[Big Klu]

I would have stayed with Gray unless he told Bell in the dugout that he was out of gas.

[mhs95_06]

Never understood why the Reds pretty well gave away Dylan Floro to the Dodgers.

Probably because many on here called for him to be cut immediately! Watch Hembree really help the Mets!

[RedForLife]

WOAH Wait I said Geno is not going to hit this season. I never said I gave up on him.

OK, cool.

[GullyFoyle]

Radio Booth just said John Sadak broke something today but is doing well.

[Tom Servo]

Never understood why the Reds pretty well gave away Dylan Floro to the Dodgers.
I thought it made sense at the time because Floro had been absolutely nothing to that point and his peripherals weren’t good but it turns out he’d figured something out with us and then got even better when he went to LA, so yeah chalk that one up as an L.

[JohnnyBench5]

I get his thinking. But now he is trying to hold on to a win he should have EASILY had. So he better hope we finish this game off and never pull this stunt againHe pulls this crap weekly....

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[Ky Fried Redleg]

Yes it is not like Gray hasn't had injury trouble. 60 Games last year. All managers are trying to cut innings back when possible. You want to have Gray healthy for a playoff chance. This is 100% on Sims.

Agree, Keefe. Sure, Gray could have gone another and probably put up another zero, but a manager should be able to at least expect a pitcher to throw an inning and protect a five-run advantage. Sadly, Sims couldn't do that.

[TheBigLebowski]

Never understood why the Reds pretty well gave away Dylan Floro to the Dodgers.

Even the paltry return from the Raisel trade, Noe Ramirez, is pitching well for the snakes. We cut him loose for nothing.

[JohnnyBench5]

Sims is another one of our relievers that leaves me reaching for a nerve pill.The Braves cut him loose...now we know why...

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[JohnnyBench5]

Antone and Winker can't come back quickly enough. Both dudes are kind of essential to finishing this run off.Agree 100%

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[Sassy Sal]

Radio Booth just said John Sadak broke something today but is doing well.

Tripped over a tricky Spanish name. He be OK though. He sounds like a nice guy. Get well John!

[mhs95_06]

I am not scared to hear things I disagree with so I block no one. Ohio deserves no baseball because they haven't won a World Series in decades...my comment is as silly as yours except I didn't actually mean mine. Attendance isn't everything nowadays based on ease of watching games in several formats now...there are several playoff games every year that don't sell out... your claim is silly and was called out... other stuff you say I have no problem with...normally.

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Many sell-outs mean marketing is not optimized! Prices should be set to what you think will sell 90% of the seats. I think pricing should be much more optimized according to opponents, standings, and more increments in seat prices in line with their relative value!

[Roy Tucker]

Probably because many on here called for him to be cut immediately! Watch Hembree really help the Mets!

But he pitched fairly decently. Shrug.

Oh well, it’s water under the dam.

[KeefeCato]

I just hope Antione is the same without the sticky stuff. Because he was using it big time. Like Sims was.

[mhs95_06]

Agree, Keefe. Sure, Gray could have gone another and probably put up another zero, but a manager should be able to at least expect a pitcher to throw an inning and protect a five-run advantage. Sadly, Sims couldn't do that.

He didn't keep it at 5 runs, but he got 3 outs and still had a 2 run lead. Seems like too many are too skittish because the Reds have so many blown saves!

[Alf_Red_E]

I've been on Bell for A LOT of his decisions (mostly surrounding Suarez)... but Sitting a guy who has given you 7 innings and near his pitch limit isn't one of them.... This is on Sims, but he is the kind of guy I'd want with a 5 run lead

[M2]

Even the paltry return from the Raisel trade, Noe Ramirez, is pitching well for the snakes. We cut him loose for nothing.

That was a serious mistake.

[JP321]

Tying run to plate..

[WVRedsFan]

Oh my

[JohnnyBench5]

No one cares.I do...therefore, I spoke up...

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[Sassy Sal]

He didn't keep it at 5 runs, but he got 3 outs and still had a 2 run lead. Seems like too many are too skittish because the Reds have so many blown saves!

I'm definitely still a little shell shocked by all the games blown.

[mhs95_06]

Radio Booth just said John Sadak broke something today but is doing well.

His jaw?

[Tadasimha]

It's ovah, it's all ovah

[RedForLife]

GO REDS!

[NCReds]

Boom!!!! Now let’s go Phillies!!!

[Ky Fried Redleg]

I agree. Thought going to the BP was an easy call. Personally, I thought you pull Sims after three batters because that is what he deserved after walking the leadoff guy up 5-0. That was were the mistake was IMO. However, that means you would have had to have someone warming which I guess wasn't the case.

I wish Bell would start doing just that everytime they walk a leadoff batter and certainly if they walk two batters.

[Alf_Red_E]

Satisfying game almost all the way around

[Ky Fried Redleg]

I love my Goose!!!!

[Ironman92]

Not a team win tonight…..

But a Gray, Votto, Naquin, Farmer, Givens, Castellanos win

[M2]

I really want the Reds to keep Mychal Givens long-term.

[JohnnyBench5]

He didn't keep it at 5 runs, but he got 3 outs and still had a 2 run lead. Seems like too many are too skittish because the Reds have so many blown saves!It is called PTSD...

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[Roy Tucker]

I like the way the Reds are playing.

[TheBigLebowski]

phew

[WVRedsFan]

Reds win!!!

[Sassy Sal]

I really want the Reds to keep Mychal Givens long-term.

He's no Mariano Rivera, but he's probably among the best we have right now. Good enuff!

[VR]

Jeez....Givens almost gave up his first run as a Red.

[Alf_Red_E]

I like the way the Reds are playing.

I like the idea of getting on another roll just in time to steamroll MIL

[JohnnyBench5]

Reds win...Go Phillies!

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[VR]

I really want the Reds to keep Mychal Givens long-term.

He's got an Arthur Rhodes feel about him. Calm, professional, all business.

[Ky Fried Redleg]

I really want the Reds to keep Mychal Givens long-term.

Damn right. Lock up the Goose for good !!!

[Tom Servo]

We’re still good! :beerme:

[Alf_Red_E]

I might be the last guy on the Naquin bandwagon, but I haven't regretted it.

[Ky Fried Redleg]

He's no Mariano Rivera, but he's probably among the best we have right now. Good enuff!

Marianos are generational talents. I love the Goose, though.

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I might be the last guy on the Naquin bandwagon, but I haven't regretted it.

Really like his swing right now. Hope it lasts awhile.

[Ky Fried Redleg]

Reds win...Go Phillies!

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GO PIRATES !!!! I know I'm dreaming, but if they could just win one of the three against the Redbirds...

[Ky Fried Redleg]

He's got an Arthur Rhodes feel about him. Calm, professional, all business.

Yep. All qualities that you want in the last guy you have on the bump. He DOES NOT get rattled!!!

He is the anti-AG .

[TexasRedsFan]

I might be the last guy on the Naquin bandwagon, but I haven't regretted it.

He's stepped up nicely in Winker's absence.

[mhs95_06]

I like the idea of getting on another roll just in time to steamroll MIL

We don't need to steamroll, just play it close to the vest, smartly, fundamentally, and eke out wins! I don't like for people to have a desire to dominate!

[Tony Cloninger]

You’re free to get on Bell for taking out Gray but I’d estimate 9 out of 10 managers probably do the same thing so you’re tilting at windmills, managers just don’t leave starters like they used to.

Well call me Don Quixote and find me a horse to beat to death on because I can’t stand this type of over the top managing.
I can understand not wanting 120 pitches thrown. Even 110. But now it’s not even 90 which I realize would have been at 100 by the time the inning was over. I think 1 start where a guy can go a little over 100 pitches during a month. Save a bullpen. Might not be a bad thing to do.

Oh and. Gooooo Reds.

[Ron Madden]

There's never a bad night at the ballpark but nothing beats a win no matter what the final score is.

We will need Sonny Gray in the push for the playoffs and in the postseason if we get there.

I totally understand why David Bell pulled him when he did.

[M2]

Well call me Don Quixote and find me a horse to beat to death on because I can’t stand this type of over the top managing.
I can understand not wanting 120 pitches thrown. Even 110. But now it’s not even 90 which I realize would have been at 100 by the time the inning was over. I think 1 start where a guy can go a little over 100 pitches during a month. Save a bullpen. Might not be a bad thing to do.

Oh and. Gooooo Reds.

The pen only threw 2 IP tonight, and I get not wanting to summon the pen if there's baserunners. They've had 7 games this month where the SP has gone 100+ pitches. It's not like Bell refuses to do it. Just didn't do it tonight.

[NCReds]

And just like that, we are tied the for a wildcard spot[emoji41]

[Ky Fried Redleg]

These are some diehard Reds' fans on this board!!! Up at 2am waiting for a Padres' game to finish. That's a loyal Reds' fan!!!!

[George Foster]

Didnt Johnny Bench win a Gold Glove and hit .238 during his terrible year? I would take that from Geno every year!!
Most Reds fans don't know or remember this. By his own admission he was never the same hitter after the surgery.

Unknown to Reds fans, Bench was diagnosed with a lesion in his right lung during a routine physical in the 1972 season. Surgery was held off at Bench's insistence until the season ended. It was performed at Christ Hospital on December 11, 1972. The lesion wasn't malignant but it was major surgery– it lasted two hours.

[Ky Fried Redleg]

Most Reds fans don't know or remember this. By his own admission he was never the same hitter after the surgery.

Unknown to Reds fans, Bench was diagnosed with a lesion in his right lung during a routine physical in the 1972 season. Surgery was held off at Bench's insistence until the season ended. It was performed at Christ Hospital on December 11, 1972. The lesion wasn't malignant but it was major surgery– it lasted two hours.

Remember that well.

[KeefeCato]

Naquin's bat looks really, really good right now. He's locked in.

Yes and this is where they need Moose to be. Naquin was huge in Apr along with Winker and Castellanos. Castellanos went down Votto and Farmer stepped up.
Winker goes down Naquin steps up. Hoffman went down Vlad stepped up, Antone goes down Brach and Hembree stepped up.
Guys have picked each other up all season. What a winning team does.
Which is why they have to give Moose more time to get right. Will he? I think he will. Of course what I think means nothing and he may not hit at all. He was a huge part of those Royal postseason teams.
Now I do agree you can't wait till the end of the season for him to get going. But he needs to be given more ABs. I still think Barrero would be best in AAA playing everyday. Lopez or Schrock can fill his spot as a PH. You don't wanna let him sit on the bench and get stale. But there really isn't a starting spot for him. Had Senzel been healthy he would have took Winker's spot. But they probably wanna keep Barrero up here as Moose insurance and he needs to be up on Aug 31 to be postseason eligible. Sounds like Winker won't be back till at least Sept 1 anyway. If Barrero does stay up they do need to get him starts. At least a couple a week. Maybe you try a OF of Castellanos Barrero and a Naquin/Aquino platoon. Barrero is very athletic so I imagine with some work on the side he would do fine in either LF or CF.

[Alf_Red_E]

Yes and this is where they need Moose to be. Naquin was huge in Apr along with Winker and Castellanos. Castellanos went down Votto and Farmer stepped up.
Winker goes down Naquin steps up. Hoffman went down Vlad stepped up, Antone goes down Brach and Hembree stepped up.
Guys have picked each other up all season. What a winning team does.
Which is why they have to give Moose more time to get right. Will he? I think he will. Of course what I think means nothing and he may not hit at all. He was a huge part of those Royal postseason teams.
Now I do agree you can't wait till the end of the season for him to get going. But he needs to be given more ABs. I still think Barrero would be best in AAA playing everyday. Lopez or Schrock can fill his spot as a PH. You don't wanna let him sit on the bench and get stale. But there really isn't a starting spot for him. Had Senzel been healthy he would have took Winker's spot. But they probably wanna keep Barrero up here as Moose insurance and he needs to be up on Aug 31 to be postseason eligible. Sounds like Winker won't be back till at least Sept 1 anyway. If Barrero does stay up they do need to get him starts. At least a couple a week. Maybe you try a OF of Castellanos Barrero and a Naquin/Aquino platoon. Barrero is very athletic so I imagine with some work on the side he would do fine in either LF or CF.

I would have thought that Barrero was here to give Farmer a day off here and there

[carlitoway1985]

moose need a week off too

[Ky Fried Redleg]

Yes and this is where they need Moose to be. Naquin was huge in Apr along with Winker and Castellanos. Castellanos went down Votto and Farmer stepped up.
Winker goes down Naquin steps up. Hoffman went down Vlad stepped up, Antone goes down Brach and Hembree stepped up.
Guys have picked each other up all season. What a winning team does.
Which is why they have to give Moose more time to get right. Will he? I think he will. Of course what I think means nothing and he may not hit at all. He was a huge part of those Royal postseason teams.
Now I do agree you can't wait till the end of the season for him to get going. But he needs to be given more ABs. I still think Barrero would be best in AAA playing everyday. Lopez or Schrock can fill his spot as a PH. You don't wanna let him sit on the bench and get stale. But there really isn't a starting spot for him. Had Senzel been healthy he would have took Winker's spot. But they probably wanna keep Barrero up here as Moose insurance and he needs to be up on Aug 31 to be postseason eligible. Sounds like Winker won't be back till at least Sept 1 anyway. If Barrero does stay up they do need to get him starts. At least a couple a week. Maybe you try a OF of Castellanos Barrero and a Naquin/Aquino platoon. Barrero is very athletic so I imagine with some work on the side he would do fine in either LF or CF.

This tickled my funny bone. Nice!