8-28-21 Reds @ Miami 6:10pm

[Ron Madden]

Reds
1. Jonathan India (R) 2B
2. Tyler Naquin (L) CF
3. Nick Castellanos (R) RF
4. Joey Votto (L) 1B
5. Mike Moustakas (L) 3B
6. Kyle Farmer (R) SS
7. Tucker Barnhart (L) C
8. Max Schrock (L) LF
9. Vladimir Gutierrez (R) P

Marlins
1. Miguel Rojas (R) SS
2. Jazz Chisholm Jr. (L) 2B
3. Jesus Aguilar (R) 1B
4. Jorge Alfaro (R) LF
5. Brian Anderson (R) 3B
6. Jesus Sanchez (L) RF
7. Bryan De La Cruz (R) CF
8. Alex Jackson (R) C
9. Sandy Alcantara (R) P

[Wonderful Monds]

Still no move on Cabrera yet?

[Ron Madden]

Still no move on Cabrera yet?

Haven't seen or heard anything

[KeefeCato]

Haven't seen or heard anything

Maybe they are waiting till tomorrow when the Reds face the LHP to activate him. Or maybe he has to pass Covid tests when joining a new team. Probably going to be Barrero sent down. Possibly Schrock if they wait till tomorrow to add CABRERA. I hope it is Barrero. At this point I think Schrock should be the LF against RHP.

[kaldaniels]

Goldsmith says Barrero has been optioned.

[OldFashionedRed]

Goldsmith says Barrero has been optioned.

It's best. He wasn't hitting anything.

[Ron Madden]

C. Trent Rosecrans
@ctrent
The Reds have optioned SS Jose Barrero to Triple-A Louisville and assigned him to the team's Taxi Squad, meaning he'll stay with the team in Miami. The Reds needed the roster spot when they claimed IF Asdrúbal Cabrera off of waivers. Cabrera reported to the team on Saturday.

[Tony Cloninger]

It's best. He wasn't hitting anything.

He barely had anything close to consistent AB. You really don’t like this player do you? The hype got you down?

[Tadasimha]

https://www.cbssports.com/mlb/news/reds-newcomer-asdrubal-cabrera-could-be-available-vs-marlins/

Per this CBS sports article, Cabrera should be with the team for tonight's game. Bell says primarily to be a sub for the corner infielders, Votto and Moustakis.

[Ky Fried Redleg]

He barely had anything close to consistent AB. You really don’t like this player do you? The hype got you down?

Preach it to grandma!!!

[mhs95_06]

Means Suarez is now the back-up SS!

[mhs95_06]

Means Suarez is now the back-up SS!

So Suarez started the season at SS because of offense, and now he's back-up SS due to his defense and contract!

[OldFashionedRed]

He barely had anything close to consistent AB. You really don’t like this player do you? The hype got you down?

Why so sensitive? Go back and read my posts about him. I liked his poise, his physique, his AAA numbers and his play at SS. He just couldn't hit. I don't get into hype. Peace.

EDIT: He'll get more playing time in AAA, and I'm of the opinion that SS has been held pretty solidly handled by Farmer. I'm not the only one here who feels it wasn't the right time to bring him up. Define "consistent AB". I saw a pattern with how he approached his at-bats, so I'd say he had consistent AB's.

[KeefeCato]

I am happy Barrero was sent down. Reds are in a playoff chase. They added a quality veteran bat in Cabrera. The only other option they had was to send down Schrock. I think Schrock should be the LFer till Winker returns. THEY WERE NOT GOING TO DFA ANYONE ON THE ROSTER NOR SHOULD THEY.

[KeefeCato]

I look for Votto to get his last day off tomorrow. Cabrera at 1b and Suarez at 3b.

[Banshee]

Alcantara throws easy gas, going to be a tough one. Need to get his pitch count up and get rid of him.

[Ky Fried Redleg]

Alcantara throws easy gas, going to be a tough one. Need to get his pitch count up and get rid of him.

Five-Thirty Eight has the Marlins with a decided pitching advantage tonight with Alcantara over Vlad Gutz and projects the Marlins as a slight favorite to win tonight's game.

The Reds increased their chances of winning the division to 5% after last night's win and Brewers' loss.

The Reds are now given a 78% chance of making the playoffs.

[Larry Schuler]

If only there was something we could do to help Gutierrez here…

[mhs95_06]

Tucker needs to keep his glove back from Aguilar!

[membengal]

With alcantarra on the mound...this might be a short game thread if this goes sideways from here.

[Ironman92]

I’ve traveled 600+ miles since yesterday morning and I get home to watch this start [emoji52]

[dakota42]

Vlad really struggling right now.

[Tadasimha]

Stop the bleeding here, Impaler!

[membengal]

Vlad really struggling right now.

That was a flare single after a catcher's interference. One of the other two runners came on a ground ball single that would have been a DP but for the shift.

[OldFashionedRed]

1 2 3 4 5 6 7
8/22 0 0 0 1 0 0 0
8/17 0 0 1 0 0 1
8/12 1 0 0 0 0 0
8/7 0 0 1 0 0 0
8/1 0 0 0 0 0 1 0
7/27 2 0 0 0 0 0
7/19 3 0 0 3
7/10 1 0 0 0 0 0
7/5 0 0 1 0 0 1
total 7 0 3 4 0 3

Since beginning of July for Gutierrez, total runs allowed for each inning. Obviously, he's allowing less than 1 run per 1st inning, but that's where he's allowed most of his runs.

[Tadasimha]

Means Suarez is now the back-up SS!

Gameday lists Suarez as a shortstop, Cabrera as 3B for the bench

[dakota42]

That was a flare single after a catcher's interference. One of the other two runners came on a ground ball single that would have been a DP but for the shift.Well that home run was no flare.

[membengal]

Now THAT ball was murdered.

Ah well.

[Ironman92]

Well it’s only a 101 out….maybe I’ll go mow and come back and see how this is going

[SomeCallMeTim]

Too close to Cuba for comfort?

[BCubb2003]

As Hemingway said, “Gradually, then suddenly.”

[OldFashionedRed]

Get him out. He has no command today, just lots of movement all over the place. It doesn't help that Moose is sluggish at third, and the hitter that swings further back in the batter's box allowing that fool to get on base.

[KeefeCato]

Get him out. He has no command today, just lots of movement all over the place. It doesn't help that Moose is sluggish at third, and the hitter that swings further back in the batter's box allowing that fool to get on base.

Your Hatred for Moose gets old.

[kaldaniels]

Haven’t lost hope in Vlad by any stretch.

But he’s had several 2 strike counts and has been unable to put anyone away.

That’s where K/9 and having an out pitch can help a pitcher get out of a jam.

[OldFashionedRed]

Bell needs to get someone warming up NOW. Is he going to let this get out of hand?

[kaldaniels]

Sadak’s overpronounciation of Hispanic names is especially grating when the Reds are getting the hell beat out of them.

[OldFashionedRed]

Your Hatred for Moose gets old.

I don't 'hate' any player. That' not a word used in my house. If this is how you want to treat someone new to the forums, on ignore you will go.

[Redsfan6272]

still no pitching coach visit??? Why not??

[KeefeCato]

Whoever voted for Vlad to start game 1 of the playoffs. I bet they wanna change there vote now. What makes this worse is Bell used Hoffman 2 innings last night. So he is out for tonight. Hoffman is the only reliever that can go 3 innings or more.

[Tony Cloninger]

Why so sensitive? Go back and read my posts about him. I liked his poise, his physique, his AAA numbers and his play at SS. He just couldn't hit. I don't get into hype. Peace.

EDIT: He'll get more playing time in AAA, and I'm of the opinion that SS has been held pretty solidly handled by Farmer. I'm not the only one here who feels it wasn't the right time to bring him up. Define "consistent AB". I saw a pattern with how he approached his at-bats, so I'd say he had consistent AB's.

I grew up on Alan Alda so I get emotional sometimes.

But let me tell/sing you little story about a man named Davey from Caracas Venezuela from the early 70s. Looked as skinny as a stick. Broomstick that is. Then a man named Klu got a hold of him and by 1973 he was the best hitting shortstop in the national league. Ted Kluzewski that is. Point of the story you see is you gotta give AB’s to your rookies specially the best SS prospect since sweet fielding Pookey. Pookey Reese that is.

[KeefeCato]

still no pitching coach visit??? Why not??

He was out about 4 batters ago.

[Ironman92]

Hoffman went 2 last night?

Yikes.

Santillan hopefully can go 3…but doubtful

[Tadasimha]

bell needs to get someone warming up now. Is he going to let this get out of hand?

17634 hit it!

[Redsfan6272]

He was out about 4 batters ago.

my bad i missed that

[Ky Fried Redleg]

I don't 'hate' any player. That' not a word used in my house. If this is how you want to treat someone new to the forums, on ignore you will go.

Not only that but your observation about sluggishness was spot on.

[Ironman92]

Haven’t lost hope in Vlad by any stretch.

But he’s had several 2 strike counts and has been unable to put anyone away.

That’s where K/9 and having an out pitch can help a pitcher get out of a jam.

Not missing in the middle would be a better choice than he’s doing

[OldFashionedRed]

I grew up on Alan Alda so I get emotional sometimes.

But let me tell/sing you little story about a man named Davey from Caracas Venezuela from the early 70s. Looked as skinny as a stick. Broomstick that is. Then a man named Klu got a hold of him and by 1973 he was the best hitting shortstop in the national league. Ted Kluzewski that is. Point of the story you see is you gotta give AB’s to your rookies specially the best SS prospect since sweet fielding Pookey. Pookey Reese that is.

I just feel that the margin is so small this year for getting into the playoffs, that it just isn't the right time to bring up Barrero just for defense. But I'm not a manager, and won't pretend to know his potential.

[Ironman92]

Whoever voted for Vlad to start game 1 of the playoffs. I bet they wanna change there vote now. What makes this worse is Bell used Hoffman 2 innings last night. So he is out for tonight. Hoffman is the only reliever that can go 3 innings or more.

He still might dominate September [emoji2371]

[WVRedsFan]

I said the Reds would sweep or get two of three. This is the game I thought would lose. I hate to be right sometimes.

[Ironman92]

Yeesh

[OldFashionedRed]

17634 hit it!

I admit that I'm concerned. The tv crew stated just about exactly what I stated. Blame them. :lol:

[dakota42]

I hope the Angels can get it together and beat the Padres tonight.

[KeefeCato]

Well most of us know Vlad is the weak link in the rotation. He has been out pitching what his stuff says he is. He has been outstanding. Great 5th starter. But compared to the other 4 guys he is the weakest link. And that is not a knock on him.

[KeefeCato]

Only hope they have is to run Alcantara's pitch count up and get him out of the game. Get into there pen.

[Ironman92]

Yikes. 23 tickets….probably wishes he was pitching in Nome tonight

[KeefeCato]

Not only that but your observation about sluggishness was spot on.

Actually KY I thought you posted that about Moose. Because everyone here knows you hate Moose.

[Ky Fried Redleg]

Here's Harry Caray's take on the Marlins ...


https://youtu.be/NTY13Ea314A

[KeefeCato]

Now Barrero can return back to Cincinnati and Moose to the IL.

[OldFashionedRed]

Nice inning by Vlad. That will get the ppi down.

[KeefeCato]

Nice inning by Vlad. That will get the ppi down.

I wonder if they hit for him this inning?

[OldFashionedRed]

Man, I love watching Schrock hit. Just uses all parts of the field.

[dakota42]

LOL at that bunt but it got it done.

[Tony Cloninger]

I just feel that the margin is so small this year for getting into the playoffs, that it just isn't the right time to bring up Barrero just for defense. But I'm not a manager, and won't pretend to know his potential.

Good point and I, like several others think the issue is more about Suarez sitting. Farmer goes to 3B more often so Jose can play SS more. Learn to hit up in the majors faster.

[Big Klu]

Good bunt, Vlad! :D

[Tadasimha]

What's Moose's injury?

[Ky Fried Redleg]

Actually KY I thought you posted that about Moose. Because everyone here knows you hate Moose.

I thought you probably confused her with me. lol As I have explained ad nauseum, I don't hate any of the Reds' player. In fact, hate is not an emotion that I allow. But Moose has struggled to get to balls at third since he came back. I never have thought he looked quite comfortable . Maybe he came back before his body was really ready .

[Tadasimha]

No DP, Tyler

[Big Klu]

What's Moose's injury?

Looks like he strained something in his foot.

[Banshee]

Naquin still on fire, nice!~

[KeefeCato]

What's Moose's injury?

Somewhere in foot are again. Possible that it was his ankle. IL stint probably. Cabrera hit LHP much better than RHP. I hope he gets the 3B job if Moose is indeed put on IL. We have all saw enough of Suarez. But Moose being out will hurt this team against RHP.

[Tadasimha]

Rally 'round, boys!

[OldFashionedRed]

What's Moose's injury?

TV crew didn't seem sure there was an injury, they thought it might have just been a misstep.

[KeefeCato]

I thought you probably confused her with me. lol As I have explained ad nauseum, I don't hate any of the Reds' player. In fact, hate is not an emotion that I allow. But Moose has struggled to get to balls at third since he came back. I never have thought he looked quite comfortable . Maybe he came back before his body was really ready .

I do like your posts. But if you don't hate Moose you strongly dislike him.

[VR]

Nick got a little pull happy that ab. Would have like to see him punch one through the wide open right side.

[Ironman92]

Awful Nick

Pick him up Joe

[KeefeCato]

TV crew didn't seem sure there was an injury, they thought it might have just been a misstep.

Yeah I heard them say that. But it looks like a injury for sure. Probably a IL thing given his foot troubles.

[OldFashionedRed]

I thought you probably confused her with me. lol As I have explained ad nauseum, I don't hate any of the Reds' player. In fact, hate is not an emotion that I allow. But Moose has struggled to get to balls at third since he came back. I never have thought he looked quite comfortable . Maybe he came back before his body was really ready .

Suarez has better defense at 3B (anyone remember those stops he had several weeks ago?), Moose with the better bat. It's a tough one. Maybe platoon them with innings? Have suarez play most of the game, and Moose the last couple of innings?

[Big Klu]

Yeah I heard them say that. But it looks like a injury for sure. Probably a IL thing given his foot troubles.

Shut him down for 10 days, and reactivate Barrero.

[OldFashionedRed]

Good decision by Votto to swing, results in only one strike.

[Ironman92]

Votto bullied the ump

[KeefeCato]

Suarez has better defense at 3B (anyone remember those stops he had several weeks ago?), Moose with the better bat. It's a tough one. Maybe platoon them with innings? Have suarez play most of the game, and Moose the last couple of innings?

They have Cabrera now. If Moose is out. Hopefully Cabrera takes over 3b.

[Ironman92]

Huh? I missed picking up Cabrera lol

[KeefeCato]

Huh? I missed picking up Cabrera lol

D-BACKS WAVIED HIM. He kills LHP. Only average against RHP though.

[Ironman92]

D-BACKS WAVIED HIM. He kills LHP. Only average against RHP though.

Oh I know him…..just didn’t know we had him

[Big Klu]

Huh? I missed picking up Cabrera lol

It's not Miguel Cabrera, but it is Asdrubal Cabrera -- which is still not bad.

[KeefeCato]

Oh I know him…..just didn’t know we had him

Looks like he was going to platoon with Moose. But who knows now.

[Ironman92]

Looks like he was going to platoon with Moose. But who knows now.

Doesn’t look like Moose’s heel is good.

[Ironman92]

Holy schnikes

[KeefeCato]

India could win a gold glove one day.

[JohnnyBench5]

India is so good!

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[JohnnyBench5]

Somewhere in foot are again. Possible that it was his ankle. IL stint probably. Cabrera hit LHP much better than RHP. I hope he gets the 3B job if Moose is indeed put on IL. We have all saw enough of Suarez. But Moose being out will hurt this team against RHP.Do you play a doctor on the internet? You know alot from watching him skip a couple steps on the infield...

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[TheBigLebowski]

What happened to Mous?

[BluegrassRedleg]

Schrock & Roll Never Forgets

[Tony Cloninger]

What happened to Mous?

RZ buried Moose.

[BluegrassRedleg]

You're gonna PH your backup catcher down 4 in the 4th? Unless he hits a HR or stays in the game for Barnhart, this is not ideal.

[Tom Servo]

baserunners left on the last two innings is not a great sign for coming back in this one

[Ky Fried Redleg]

I do like your posts. But if you don't hate Moose you strongly dislike him.

LOL . Thanks. I enjoy yours as well. I hope Moose comes back and helps us in the stretch drive. He just hasn't looked totally comfortable moving around on the field.

[Big Klu]

You're gonna PH your backup catcher down 4 in the 4th? Unless he hits a HR or stays in the game for Barnhart, this is not ideal.

Yeah, that seemed a little strange. I would have used an outfielder -- probably Shogo.

[KeefeCato]

Pirates release Polanco.

[TheBigLebowski]

Pirates release Polanco.

I’d rather have him than Aristedes Akiyama

[George Foster]

St. Louis killing Pirates 6-0 in 3rd... don't sleep on them. I'm not worried about the San Diego.

[JohnnyBench5]

Big trouble in little Miami...Amir is warming up..

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[BluegrassRedleg]

I’d rather have him than Aristedes Akiyama

He has one leg... but you may still be right.

[podgejeff_]

I’d rather have him than Aristedes Akiyama

I can't tell if I like this or Shogo Aquino more.

[KeefeCato]

I’d rather have him than Aristedes Akiyama

They wouldn't go for that. Polanco LH. Bell wouldn't want no RH OFer on the bench.

[Ironman92]

Amir must be part cat

[BluegrassRedleg]

It's unbelievable this guy is still gainfully employed by the Cincinnati Reds.

[KeefeCato]

Please Reds call up a pitcher and end Garrett's Reds career.

[OldFashionedRed]

Just release the guy already. Isn't there anyone they can replace him with in the roster?

[Tom Servo]

St. Louis killing Pirates 6-0 in 3rd... don't sleep on them. I'm not worried about the San Diego.
Assuming they win this one (no sure thing), they'll move to 3-3 against Pittsburgh in the last 8 days. They are still hanging around somewhat ominously but they just aren't very good, the Padres still have way more talent then them.

[KeefeCato]

Assuming they win this one (no sure thing), they'll move to 3-3 against Pittsburgh in the last 8 days. They are still hanging around somewhat ominously but they just aren't very good, the Padres still have way more talent then them.

Cardinals still dangerous though they have head to head games left with the Reds.

[Tom Servo]

Cardinals still dangerous though they have head to head games left with the Reds.
I just don't see any reason to give them credit until they actually do something besides lurk. If they take it to the Reds and leapfrog 'em then I'll give them credit, but until then they don't impress me much.

[Ironman92]

Alcantara has been just filthy….that 4th inning he made our best look silly.

This slinging 100 mph with good movement, yikes

[Kc61]

Garrett really struggling this season. Doesn’t seem like the same pitcher.

[podgejeff_]

For some reason, we seem to have nothing for Alcantara. Maybe we scout him terribly or something.

[Wonderful Monds]

Games like these are why you don’t start Vlad in a win or go home wild card game, as some RZers have rather insanely suggested

[Ironman92]

For some reason, we seem to have nothing for Alcantara. Maybe we scout him terribly or something.

I’ve not seen a pitcher look better. He’s hitting 100 with movement and that SEOP out of the zone pitch is killer. He’s buried the edges with high end stuff most of the night.

[Big Klu]

I just don't see any reason to give them credit until they actually do something besides lurk. If they take it to the Reds and leapfrog 'em then I'll give them credit, but until then they don't impress me much.

That reminds me of the 1976 road racing film, "The Gumball Rally". Raul Julia plays an Italian F1 driver who gets into his Ferrari, rips the rear view mirror off the windshield, and tells his driving partner, "The first rule of Italian racing: What's behind me is not important."

[Wonderful Monds]

Also I’m coming in late but did Moose’s foot really fall off again? **** dude

[Ky Fried Redleg]

Amir must be part cat

Wonder if he climbs drapes?

[Ky Fried Redleg]

Please Reds call up a pitcher and end Garrett's Reds career.

Yep, I've seen enough of his circus show.

[Big Klu]

Lefthander Richard Bleier now pitching for the Fish.

If my name was Bleier, there would be no way I'm not wearing #20.

https://memmo-live-attachments-live.imgix.net/b9136de2-cfad-45e5-bf88-9eadc3172b1f/b9136de2-cfad-45e5-bf88-9eadc3172b1f-processed.jpeg?auto=format&w=400&h=740&fit=crop

[Ky Fried Redleg]

Games like these are why you don’t start Vlad in a win or go home wild card game, as some RZers have rather insanely suggested

Yeah, I was kinda baffled by that as well.

[podgejeff_]

Games like these are why you don’t start Vlad in a win or go home wild card game, as some RZers have rather insanely suggested

Nobody seriously thought that. There's no way.

[KeefeCato]

Hoping the Reds give Votto a rest tomorrow against the LHP. Should be his last rest of the season.

[WVRedsFan]

What does Bell see in Garrett the we cannot?

[BluegrassRedleg]

Lefthander Richard Bleier now pitching for the Fish.

If my name was Bleier, there would be no way I'm not wearing #20.

https://memmo-live-attachments-live.imgix.net/b9136de2-cfad-45e5-bf88-9eadc3172b1f/b9136de2-cfad-45e5-bf88-9eadc3172b1f-processed.jpeg?auto=format&w=400&h=740&fit=crop

Guy had half a foot blown off in 'Nam and could still pitch better than Amir Garrett.

[Wonderful Monds]

Yeah, I was kinda baffled by that as well.

He’s had some gutsy starts, but part of his appeal has been that he seemingly keeps outperforming his peripherals or actual talent level. That’s cool and all, but a guy like that has a great chance of coming back to earth against a team like the Dodgers for example.

[Wonderful Monds]

Nobody seriously thought that. There's no way.

There was the poll thread over on the ORG about it, and a handful of people said they wanted Vlad. Not to single anyone out specifically, but off the top of my head I know Dan was one of them.

[OldFashionedRed]

What does Bell see in Garrett the we cannot?

It has to be orders from above.

[Ky Fried Redleg]

Nobody seriously thought that. There's no way.

Actually, I think a few actually did reason for Vlad if I'm not mistaken.

[OldFashionedRed]

Credit has to be given to the opposing starter. He has OWNED the Reds this season.

[KeefeCato]

Actually, I think a few actually did reason for Vlad if I'm not mistaken.

They did. I almost left Vlad off the poll. I should have but didn't. Didn't actually think he would get votes but he did.

[OldFashionedRed]

Garrett really struggling this season. Doesn’t seem like the same pitcher.

It's an upstairs issue. Runs his mouth, even when he's not yapping at the opposition. Gets into fist fights. Just can't seem to come into games ready to pitch. It has to be a deep rooted issue. The guy needs to see a shrink, it's not like his arm has fallen off. Has to be the only reason he's still getting opportunities.

[KeefeCato]

Has Wilson shown enough as a Red only for them to use him when a couple of LHB are due up in close games?

[TheBigLebowski]

This wasn’t the best we’ve looked. But at least AG got a chance to do what he do.

- - - Updated - - -


It has to be orders from above.

God favors Garrett?

[BluegrassRedleg]

Miley was the only correct answer for that poll, and he goes out and proves it with every outing.

[Ron Madden]

Well, not the best game of the year.
Not the end of the world as we know it.

Come back and win tomorrow then keep winning series the rest of the way.

[OldFashionedRed]

The Reds really have got to stop signing guys to top dollar contracts for such long periods of time. Sign shorter contracts and reap the benefits of more frequent 'contract year' performances.

[KeefeCato]

Miley was the only correct answer for that poll, and he goes out and proves it with every outing.

Miley is 100% not going to be the Reds choice for a game 1 playoff.

[Ky Fried Redleg]

They did. I almost left Vlad off the poll. I should have but didn't. Didn't actually think he would get votes but he did.

Yeah, he received 7% of votes, same as Mahle. I think a couple of folks liked his unflappable attiude out on the mound. He flapped tonight...

[Tom Servo]

Take the series tomorrow, Luzardo is no Alcantara.

[Ky Fried Redleg]

Miley was the only correct answer for that poll, and he goes out and proves it with every outing.

I can appreciate that opinion , but I'm still leaning towards Luis. He can be as dominate as Alcantara was tonight. Also, the way Sonny Gray has kicked it in of late, I would feel okay with Sonny taking the ball.

[KeefeCato]

I can appreciate that opinion , but I'm still leaning towards Luis. He can be as dominate as Alcantara was tonight. Also, the way Sonny Gray has kicked it in of late, I would feel okay with Sonny taking the ball.

Reds will 100% use Castillo in game 1. Unless they had to use him one of the last couple games of the season in order to get in the playoffs.
Toss up I think for game 2 between the other three. I may lean Mahle on the road. Because you don't wanna see him in a playoff game at home. First two would be on the road. I think the Reds in game 2 would use either Miley or Gray and in a game 3 use the one they didn't in game 2. Don't think Mahle would start a first round best of 3 playoff series.

[Ky Fried Redleg]

Reds will 100% use Castillo in game 1. Unless they had to use him one of the last couple games of the season in order to get in the playoffs.
Toss up I think for game 2 between the other three. I may lean Mahle on the road. Because you don't wanna see him in a playoff game at home. First two would be on the road. I think the Reds in game 2 would use either Miley or Gray and in a game 3 use the one they didn't in game 2. Don't think Mahle would start a first round best of 3 playoff series.

Yeah, I just feel like Castillo offers the Reds the best chance of holding a team like LA to a run or less over seven innings , and that's what they will need in a one-off game like that, where the Reds will be hard pressed to do a lot of scoring.

[Ron Madden]

Bobby Nightengale
@nightengalejr
Mike Moustakas left tonight's game with right hip tightness.

[Big Klu]

Guy had half a foot blown off in 'Nam and could still pitch better than Amir Garrett.

I can't stand the Steelers, but he is one Steeler who I respect more than any other.

[BluegrassRedleg]

Miley is 100% not going to be the Reds choice for a game 1 playoff.

That's different from being the right answer, though. ;)

[BluegrassRedleg]

National League Pitching Leaders
Wins Above Replacement--all

1. Miley • CIN 6.5
2. Buehler • LAD 5.9
3. Wheeler • PHI 5.8
4. Tatis • SDP 5.4
5. Muncy • LAD 5.3
6. deGrom • NYM 5.2
7. Cronenworth • SDP 4.9
8. Soto • WSN 4.9
9. Gausman • SFG 4.9
10. Woodruff • MIL 4.8

WAR for Pitchers

1. Miley • CIN 6.3
2. Buehler • LAD 5.8
3. Wheeler • PHI 5.7
4. Woodruff • MIL 4.9
5. Gausman • SFG 4.7
6. deGrom • NYM 4.5
7. Burnes • MIL 4.4
8. Mahle • CIN 4.3
9. Scherzer • 2TM 4.3
10. Peralta • MIL 3.7

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National League Pitching Leaders
Wins Above Replacement--all

1. Miley • CIN 6.5
2. Buehler • LAD 5.9
3. Wheeler • PHI 5.8
4. Tatis • SDP 5.4
5. Muncy • LAD 5.3
6. deGrom • NYM 5.2
7. Cronenworth • SDP 4.9
8. Soto • WSN 4.9
9. Gausman • SFG 4.9
10. Woodruff • MIL 4.8

WAR for Pitchers

1. Miley • CIN 6.3
2. Buehler • LAD 5.8
3. Wheeler • PHI 5.7
4. Woodruff • MIL 4.9
5. Gausman • SFG 4.7
6. deGrom • NYM 4.5
7. Burnes • MIL 4.4
8. Mahle • CIN 4.3
9. Scherzer • 2TM 4.3
10. Peralta • MIL 3.7

I saw that and that tells me how ridiculous war for pitchers is. Miley has been outstanding. But he is not a top tier pitcher.

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I saw that and that tells me how ridiculous war for pitchers is. Miley has been outstanding. But he is not a top tier pitcher.

That’s based on bWAR, which emphasizes ERA. fWAR, which emphasizes peripherals, has Miley as the 19th most productive pitcher in the majors, with a 3.2 fWAR, compared to Burnes with a 5.9 fWAR.

Both are flawed, but fWAR tends to be more accurate imo.

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That’s based on bWAR, which emphasizes ERA. fWAR, which emphasizes peripherals, has Miley as the 19th most productive pitcher in the majors, with a 3.2 fWAR, compared to Burnes with a 5.9 fWAR.

Both are flawed, but fWAR tends to be more accurate imo.

19th sounds right in line with Miley's season.

[JCM11]

Why was Barnhart catching Vlad? I thought that Stephenson had caught all of his previous starts. At this point Miley is the only starter Tucker should be catching. Stephenson is a better player than Tucker period the end.