9-3-21 Reds vs Tigers 7:10pm

[Ron Madden]

Reds
1. Jonathan India (R) 2B
2. Tyler Stephenson (R) C
3. Nick Castellanos (R) RF
4. Joey Votto (L) 1B
5. Eugenio Suarez (R) 3B
6. Kyle Farmer (R) SS
7. Aristides Aquino (R) LF
8. Delino DeShields (R) CF
9. Vladimir Gutierrez (R) P

Tigers
1. Akil Baddoo (L) CF
2. Jonathan Schoop (R) 2B
3. Robbie Grossman (S) LF
4. Miguel Cabrera (R) 1B
5. Jeimer Candelario (S) 3B
6. Harold Castro (L) SS
7. Victor Reyes (S) RF
8. Dustin Garneau (R) C
9. Tyler Alexander (R) P

[NatiRedGals]

Lol

[NebraskaRed]

Lol

It's almost the same lineup as Wednesday when they scored 12 runs.

[Ron Madden]

It's almost the same lineup as Wednesday when they scored 12 runs.

Except for the pitchers spot it's exactly the same lineup

[NebraskaRed]

Except for the pitchers spot it's exactly the same lineup

oh, you're right! I forgot that Stephenson hit second on Wednesday.

[NatiRedGals]

It's almost the same lineup as Wednesday when they scored 12 runs.

It works once means it's gonna work again?

[NebraskaRed]

It works once means it's gonna work again?

Maybe, maybe not, but I'm not going to automatically post "LOL" and assume that it won't work when it literally just did in the last game.

[KittyDuran]

Here for the Q&A with Jeff Hoffman and Lucas Sims! We’ll get to see the team picture being taken as well @ 3pm.https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20210903/5eb32ebf32a233462fb08c6fccd4326f.jpg


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[Ron Madden]

The Tigers lineup has been added to the original post

[KeefeCato]

Go Reds ! Win the series. Tigers throwing another LHP tomorrow.

[KittyDuran]

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[UK Reds Fan]

It's almost the same lineup as Wednesday when they scored 12 runs.

And alot like the lineup that could barely scratch a run vs. Marlins/Cardinals.

1. Why are we batting Suarez in the 5 spot over Famer?
2. Why did we pick up Cabrera if we're going to Saurez out there vs. lefties?
3. This one I'm less confident in.....but we can trying to see if Aquino catches on....but Naquin feels like a better option in the OF today even it it's a lefty.

[Strikes Out Looking]

If we're arguing about Aquino v. Naquin starting in the outfield, we're losing the argument. Get well soon Jessie Winker.

[DocRed]

Tigers lineup and their stats are a lot better than I thought they would be. Could be a tougher series than one would think..

[DocRed]

If we're arguing about Aquino v. Naquin starting in the outfield, we're losing the argument. Get well soon Jessie Winker.

Winker still looks to be several weeks away...

[KeefeCato]

Tigers lineup and their stats are a lot better than I thought they would be. Could be a tougher series than one would think..

They have been good in the 2nd half.

[Ironman92]

They have been good in the 2nd half.

Tigers have been good since May 1st…they were over .500 in May, June, July and lost last 3 games of August or would’ve been too. Terrible April but this has been an above .500 team for 4+ months

[NebraskaRed]

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Votto suddenly looks chubby there.

Also, Amir looks as surprised as everyone else that he's still on the team.

[Ky Fried Redleg]

And alot like the lineup that could barely scratch a run vs. Marlins/Cardinals.

1. Why are we batting Suarez in the 5 spot over Famer?
2. Why did we pick up Cabrera if we're going to Saurez out there vs. lefties?
3. This one I'm less confident in.....but we can trying to see if Aquino catches on....but Naquin feels like a better option in the OF today even it it's a lefty.

You would be a fine homicide detective... very good questions.

[Ky Fried Redleg]

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Votto suddenly looks chubby there.

Also, Amir looks as surprised as everyone else that he's still on the team.



And Sonny Gray looks like he just started his sophomore year in college.

[Maldez]

It's almost the same lineup as Wednesday when they scored 12 runs.

Yeah, how funny is that?

[Maldez]

Winker still looks to be several weeks away...

There's not several weeks left to the season.

[Ron Madden]

C. Trent Rosecrans
@ctrent

Reds manager David Bell said Jesse Winker could be playing a rehab game by next weekend

[NebraskaRed]

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[TexasRedsFan]

India looks like he'd be protesting on a college campus if not playing baseball.

[JohnnyBench5]

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Votto suddenly looks chubby there.

Also, Amir looks as surprised as everyone else that he's still on the team.Amir is a player with million dollar arm and 10 cent toughness/brain it appears...maybe it is just this year...soul searching time for him in off-season

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[membengal]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rGbFbDv0gwY

Sound up

[DocRed]

Holy crap...I just realized Miguel Cabrera is owed $72M over the next 2 years with the Tigers including an $8M buyout after 2023. Votto's contract is looking better and better...

[Tadasimha]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E-YxQ7FXEBI-rR8?format=jpg&name=4096x4096

There's always that one kid

[Tom Servo]

opponent doesn't take the lead in the first inning, the streak is over :party:

[KeefeCato]

Much better first by Vlad this time.

[mhs95_06]

Three batter, 16 pitch 1st.

[Tom Servo]

oh no, I didn't realize Alexander was THAT guy, the 9 straight strikeouts guy.

[Tadasimha]

oh no, I didn't realize Alexander was THAT guy, the 9 straight strikeouts guy.

Pop out, fly out, ground out - we're good

[Tom Servo]

Vlad must have been thinking back to all the HRs he saw Miggy hit years ago instead of thinking about the guy who mostly just hits singles now, if at all.

[REDREAD]

Sadak continuing to present his dumb stats.. Mig Carbera of the Tigers is only the 7th (?) player in MLB with 500 HR that has played at the GAB after he reached the milestone.. Dude, who cares?
That stuff drives me nuts.. but this will be my only complaint about him in the game thread.

[JohnnyBench5]

Go Red Legs!

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[Tom Servo]

Sadak continuing to present his dumb stats.. Mig Carbera of the Tigers is only the 7th (?) player in MLB with 500 HR that has played at the GAB after he reached the milestone.. Dude, who cares?
That stuff drives me nuts.. but this will be my only complaint about him in the game thread.
it's mildly interesting

[mhs95_06]

Maybe Vlad should use his glove for the pick-up so he can get the proper grip on the transfer!

[JohnnyBench5]

opponent doesn't take the lead in the first inning, the streak is over :party:Nice...just moved to 2nd inning apparently...

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[mhs95_06]

Two gift runs from Vlad.

[Kc61]

Two run double for Tigers.

Looked like a BP fastball down the middle.

[dakota42]

Well that sucked.

[Red Raindog]

Sub optimal


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[Tom Servo]

Vlad came up big a lot of times this season but he seems to be coming up small down the stretch.

[JP321]

Geez... we really need to stop putting ourselves in a hole every game

[mhs95_06]

Two gift runs from Vlad.

Maybe I should say the two gift baserunners score.

[REDREAD]

it's mildly interesting

He can say Cabera has 500 HRs, but to enthusiastically say "and he played a game at the GAB" as if it was some kind of accomplishment is kind of silly. Honestly, if he had said it in a Welsh tone, it would be more palatable too..

[Kc61]

Vlad came up big a lot of times this season but he seems to be coming up small down the stretch.

I dislike posts that say someone should “never’ do this or that. Especially in all caps.

But I can’t help say that Vlad should NEVER throw a fastball down the middle of the plate.

[RedTeamGo!]

The mean has arrived I think

[JohnnyBench5]

Sadak says Tigers are trying to build...who knew?

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[REDREAD]

Vlad came up big a lot of times this season but he seems to be coming up small down the stretch.

Actually, I think prior to his last 2 starts, he's had a sub 2.00 ERA , I think for maybe 4-6 weeks, something like that, a significant stretch of time (graphic was on TV, I don't remember exactly).. Things are just evening out. The hitters have more film of him to watch, etc.

[Tom Servo]

I dislike posts that say someone should “never’ do this or that. Especially in all caps.

But I can’t help say that Vlad should NEVER throw a fastball down the middle of the plate.
Real bad 0-2 pitch but putting Cabrera on with four straight wide ones and then not taking his time to get the out with the next batter probably annoy me more.

[Kc61]

Real bad 0-2 pitch but putting Cabrera on with four straight wide ones and then not taking his time to get the out with the next batter probably annoy me more.

Agree, but Vlad has to understand his fastball is not an out pitch. It should be used sparingly and tactically.

[Tom Servo]

Nice job not letting the third run score, at least.

[TheBigLebowski]

Freaking Reds and lefties. Didn’t this guy set a MLB record for consecutive strikeouts against us last year?

[dakota42]

Geno!!!!

[Stray]

Geno!

[TheBigLebowski]

I always supported Suarez. I’ve been a rock, firmly in his corner.

[Kc61]

I actually think Suarez has hit well the last few games.

For real.

[Tom Servo]

And you all wanted Asdrubal Cabrera :p

[DocRed]

That was a really good at bat for Geno. Get's ahead on the count and thus can now sit on fastballs. Made good contact on a pretty good pitch from Alexander that was at the bottom of the strike zone.

[mhs95_06]

Failed 3-0 swing by Farmer helped coax a walk!

[Ky Fried Redleg]

Confidence... So important. Maybe he's regaining some of it.

[Kc61]

Aquino, on the other hand . . . .

[TheBigLebowski]

Get Aquino out of my lineup and off my field. He’s not good at baseball. Can’t waste ABs with him in a playoff chase.

[KeefeCato]

How huge would it be if Geno could hit well down the stretch?

[Big Klu]

Updated Reds HR list (players in italics are active):

Reds 100-Home Run Club
1. Johnny Bench - 389
2. Frank Robinson - 324
3. Joey Votto - 323
4. Tony Pérez - 287
5. Adam Dunn - 270
6. Ted Kluszewski - 251
7. George Foster - 244
8. Jay Bruce - 233
9. Ken Griffey, Jr. - 210
10. Eric Davis - 203
11. Barry Larkin - 198
12. Brandon Phillips - 191
13. Vada Pinson - 186
14. Eugenio Suárez - 183
15. Wally Post - 172
16. Gus Bell - 160
17. Joe Morgan - 152
17. Pete Rose - 152
19. Lee May - 147
20. Dan Driessen - 133
21. Reggie Sanders - 125
22. Ernie Lombardi - 120
23. Sean Casey - 118
24. Frank McCormick - 110
25. Todd Frazier - 108
26. Dave Parker - 107
27. Chris Sabo - 104
28. Dave Concepción - 101

[mhs95_06]

I actually think Suarez has hit well the last few games.

For real.

Yes, he's gone from below the Norwood Lateral Zone to above, in the last 3 games(since September rolled in): .169 to .176 on 4/6 hitting

[REDREAD]

Get Aquino out of my lineup and off my field. He’s not good at baseball. Can’t waste ABs with him in a playoff chase.

Yea, I would rather they play Naquin, even though it's Lefty on Lefty, or one of the infielders out there.
Aquino is bad.
Very small sample, and it's probably too soon to say this, but I already think Deshields is a better player than Shogo.

[dakota42]

Got the run right back.

[mhs95_06]

That was a really good at bat for Geno. Get's ahead on the count and thus can now sit on fastballs. Made good contact on a pretty good pitch from Alexander that was at the bottom of the strike zone.

It was a good AB. That last pitch was a change-up though, that he hit out!

[JP321]

Cmon Reds... this is not the time to play bad baseball

[Kc61]

I gladly accept Vlad’s wins for the Reds this year. He’s had some effective games and gets kudos for that.

I just don’t see his stuff being successful as a starter, ultimately. He just seems too easy to hit. And a bad match with GABP.

Hope he continues to prove me wrong.

[Tom Servo]

need 2-3 scoreless from Vlad now

[mhs95_06]

Need to get to the lefty before he gets through the line-up twice. First two didn't do much their 2nd time.

[Alabama Red]

Our starters are struggling.

[Red Raindog]

I wonder if Vlad is tiring


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[dakota42]

Vlad just doesn't have it for the second game in a row.

[TheBigLebowski]

These guys are going to choke this wildcard away. Blows

[GullyFoyle]

Vlad is starting to pitch to his fundamentals.

[Tom Servo]

Lucky that the HRs have only been solo shots .

[mhs95_06]

need 2-3 scoreless from Vlad now

Looks like it'll soon be up to the lower tier bullpen guys to hold the Tigers and hope the offense can get going big.

[Tom Servo]

Our starters are struggling.
to be fair only Miley and Vlad have had a tough go of it the last time through while the other guys pitched fine, though this is two in a row now for the latter.

[DocRed]

Bring in Hoffman...Vlad just doesn't have it tonight.

[BluegrassRedleg]

For the love of god, stephenson, quit calling for the cement-mixer tonight.

[mhs95_06]

Lucky that the HRs have only been solo shots .

Yes, but those two gift baserunners were killers when they turned into the first 2 runs.

[REDREAD]

At least the Phillies are trailing the Marlins.
Wow, and Vlad gets the hook this early.

[BluegrassRedleg]

Tanking at the worst possible time: India, Stephenson, Gutierrez

[Red Raindog]

I can’t blame Bell for getting Vlad here.

I didn’t see much quality to his game tonight


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[Tom Servo]

Probably the right call, he doesn’t have the track record of a Miley and it doesn’t seem like it was going to get any better.

[Kc61]

Tony Santillan is relieving Vlad.

It should be the other way around.

Of the candidates for fifth starter, Hoffman, Vlad, Santillan - Tony has the best stuff.

[Tom Servo]

Not that not winning this specific game means its over but at some point this team will need to show they can storm back from several runs down, something I can't recall them doing recently except for that brutal loss in Atlanta last month. They didn't in Vlad's last start when it was 5-0 and now it's 4-1, and at home. The Phillies just yesterday beat the Nationals in Washington after trailing 6-0 after 5. You need to find a way to get it done.

[Falls City Beer]

I hate playing the AL.

[The Operator]

Man it’s hard not to worry at this point.

They’ve lost 3 straight series and down against The Tigers now. Vlad seems to be regressing to his peripherals and the offense is absolutely nowhere to be found.

Sigh. I hope I’m being a chicken little.

[REDREAD]

Cast with a "tone setting single" :lol:

[dakota42]

Cards up 2-0 on Brewers.

[KeefeCato]

Man it’s hard not to worry at this point.

They’ve lost 3 straight series and down against The Tigers now. Vlad seems to be regressing to his peripherals and the offense is absolutely nowhere to be found.

Sigh. I hope I’m being a chicken little.

I think Reds fan would be crazy not to at least be a little worried at this point. At least one of the Cardinals, Phillies or Padres are going to play good baseball from here on out. Can the Reds match them? I don't think there will be any backing into the wild card.

[Tom Servo]

I think Reds fan would be crazy not to at least be a little worried at this point.
seriously who could be sitting here right now saying “oh yeah no worries we got it” lol

It’s stressful as hell, I just don’t see any point in doing the “well it’s over” bit until it’s, ya know, over.

[mhs95_06]

So Larkin is willing to take strike 3 because it is not in a location that he wants to attack?

[Tom Servo]

Great AB by Suarez even if he probably should have been rung up earlier

[KeefeCato]

One heck of an at bat by Geno.

[mhs95_06]

Geno gets a break on strike 3 and "earns" a walk!

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Payback by the ump to Farmer for not calling strike 3 on Geno!

[KeefeCato]

Great AB by Suarez even if he probably should have been rung up earlier

You hesitate to say maybe he is turning the corner. Have thought that a few times this season and we know how that turned out. He has at least been taking better at bats these past few games. Baby steps. But it would be beyond huge if he could be just average down the stretch.

[BluegrassRedleg]

Upper cut

Upper cut

Upper cut

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Team knows no other way to score.

[Tom Servo]

Was about to say we need a big blow and then get into the Tigers pen, but Hinch with the real fast hook here.

PH Naquin for Aquino? I’d probably do it.

[mhs95_06]

Detroit manager must want Bell to deplete his bench as he waited until a righty that Bell might pinch hit for came up.

[KeefeCato]

Was about to say we need a big blow and then get into the Tigers pen, but Hinch with the real fast hook here.

PH Naquin for Aquino? I’d probably do it.

Yes every time.

[Tom Servo]

Wow Funkhouser has a 2.77 ERA? Felt like every time saw his name in the minors or majors over the years the ERA started with a 6.

And of course Naquin pops the first one up. Big blown chance.

[TheBigLebowski]

lol

[KeefeCato]

Huge wasted chance.

[mhs95_06]

Hinch trying to avoid having 3 hitter minimum captive pitchers!

[Tom Servo]

Nice work Tony

5 innings against the Detroit bullpen. If the Reds must lose this game I want it to be because of the bullpen, the offense needs to do their part.

[TexasRedsFan]

Assist to Santillan's glove there.

[REDREAD]

Time to empty the bench :) Not complaining, just it's so Bell.

[Strikes Out Looking]

Wow Funkhouser has a 2.77 ERA? Felt like every time saw his name in the minors or majors over the years the ERA started with a 6.

And of course Naquin pops the first one up. Big blown chance.

Obviously, we need to curb our enthusiasm that the Reds will hit off of him.

[TheBigLebowski]

I have always wanted my last name to be Funkhouser. And I wouldn’t need a first name. No one uses your first name when your last name is Funkhouser.

[BluegrassRedleg]

Better upper cut!

[Tom Servo]

India!!!!! :jump:

4-3 game

[TexasRedsFan]

India's power has really surprised me.

[redsfan9988]

India hits one to Mumbai!

[TheBigLebowski]

17659

Go FLORIDA GATORS BASEBALL

[Kc61]

409 foot homer by India on a fastball right down the heart of the plate, perhaps a couple inches below middle.

[Maldez]

Here's Johnny !!

[redsfan9988]

Time for Votto to end the power drought.

[TexasRedsFan]

What a weak throw. :laugh:

[RedForLife]

Time for Votto to end the power drought.

I like the way you think!

[Tom Servo]

Cardinals knocked out Peralta and now they’re laying it on. Goldschmidt and Arenado are trying to will them over the finish line. FCB is rooting them on.

Reds need to get it done.

[mhs95_06]

Great hurry by Funkhouser, but he pulled the throw to a Miggy who isn't as flexible as he once was.

[Kc61]

Second and third, Tigers should walk Votto.

Surprised they are pitching to him.

[JohnnyBench5]

India....ROY

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[mhs95_06]

What a weak throw. :laugh:

Because he had to hurry so much. Great job getting it off that fast, just didn't work out!

[mhs95_06]

Time for Votto to end the power drought.

No, just keep the line moving!

[Tom Servo]

damn it Joseph

[RedsfaninMT]

Gah!

[TexasRedsFan]

Damn, Joey gets FunkHoused.

[JohnnyBench5]

Up next...En Fuego....Geno...lol...come on Mr. September Geno!

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[mhs95_06]

No, just keep the line moving!

And at least put the ball in play with the tying run on 3rd with one out and no DP situation!

[BluegrassRedleg]

Once again, only scoring if someone hits one over the wall.

[Tom Servo]

Productive inning but should have at least tied it, Votto and Suarez needed to come through.

[Red Raindog]

4/5 hole with a major fail there


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[TexasRedsFan]

Suarez was expected, but I wish Joey would've lightened up on those swings instead of trying to hit it into the river.

[mhs95_06]

And Geno couldn't pick up his good buddy Joey and Ks on a perfectly placed 3-2 slider. Closed the gap to one run again!

[mhs95_06]

Suarez was expected, but I wish Joey would've lightened up on those swings instead of trying to hit it into the river.

I don't think he was trying to hit it in the river, but he was swinging too hard. A single takes the lead. a SF ties it.

[Alabama Red]

Votto needs to put the ball in play there. Leaving up to 175 Geno is too much to ask.

[mhs95_06]

I thought since Moose pinch hit for the pitcher I was hoping he wouldn't be on defense!

[Kc61]

Tigers showing some speed.

[mhs95_06]

Next time if Joey is facing a captive lefty, Cabrera will be on deck.

[TexasRedsFan]

I don't think he was trying to hit it in the river, but he was swinging too hard. A single takes the lead. a SF ties it.

On strike 2, he practically tripped himself. But yes, I agree with you.

Wow, I look away for one minute and Tigers have 2 more runs. :confused:

[mhs95_06]

Moose a defensive liability!

[Red Raindog]

What am I watching?


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[BluegrassRedleg]

Train wreck.

[Tom Servo]

smh

[dakota42]

It's over.What a mess.:rolleyes:

[Tom Servo]

6 runs, potentially 7 or more now, in 6 innings at home against Detroit just isn’t going to do it. Bad.

[TheBigLebowski]

This is garbage. Choke job from a team with more than sufficient veteran leadership. And Mousse can leave.

[Tom Servo]

This is garbage. Choke job from a team with more than sufficient veteran leadership. And Mousse can leave.
Ah well, at least you weren’t the same exact stuff back in April.

[mhs95_06]

6 runs, potentially 7 or more now, in 6 innings at home against Detroit just isn’t going to do it. Bad.

Everybody likes hitting in GABP, especially when the Reds pitching and defense gives you a lot!

[Falls City Beer]

I really really want to do away with interleague play. The Reds are terrible at it. I’ll wager the Reds would benefit from no interleague more than just about any franchise in baseball. They have to be near the absolute bottom in overall win-loss vs the AL.

[TheBigLebowski]

Ah well, at least you weren’t the same exact stuff back in April.

I have no idea what this means, and fortunately I don’t care.

[TheBigLebowski]

The humanity.

These guys are literally collapsing.

[Tom Servo]

I have no idea what this means, and fortunately I don’t care.
You’re a broken record, and it wouldn’t be so bad if it wasn’t played so much. You gave up on this team on April just like you did every year, like when you said “Castellanos can go” about 30 ABs into his Reds career.

[RedForLife]

This is not a good time for our pitching to go south.

[Red Raindog]

I really really want to do away with interleague play. The Reds are terrible at it.

Worst in baseball


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[SomeCallMeTim]

The humanity.

These guys are literally collapsing.

https://media2.giphy.com/media/l2SqdhlBuxhefO7Ly/giphy.gif

[TexasRedsFan]

Do we have Blandino available to pitch yet?

[Alabama Red]

This is going to end up being a wild September. I thought when we were two up on the Padres we’d run away with it. Then we lose 7 out of 10.

[BluegrassRedleg]

I have no idea what this means, and fortunately I don’t care.

We've reached the portion of a Reds piss-down-the-leg game where Servo turns his anger with the team upon fellow RedZoners expressing their anger with the team. Don't take it personally. :p

[Ironman92]

Got home in time to watch Moose with an awful and weak throw to first and then couldn’t make a 50 ft throw to 2nd without about killing India.

LeCure blaming Schrock is the dumbest thing I’ve heard.

[Tom Servo]

We've reached the portion of a Reds piss-down-the-leg game where Servo turns his anger with the team upon fellow RedZoners expressing their anger with the team. Don't take it personally. :p
You said the Reds losing the second game on Wednesday was a lock but yeah I’m the one who looks bad here.

The Reds ARE pissing this away. It doesn’t make me any less able to tolerable this kind of crap that passes as “insight”. It’s garbage posting, it’s too bad the good posters left over the years and this is what we’re left with.

[RedForLife]

It's over.What a mess.:rolleyes:

It ain't over til some fat, drunken lady falls over the railing onto the field and starts singing some old Britney Spears song.

[Red Raindog]

Givens has certainly digressed


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[RedForLife]

Not only was he out but, VERY OUT!

[RedTeamGo!]

Yikes, glad I’m watching football tonight. Sparty doesn’t look bad.

[Falls City Beer]

You know what would’ve helped?

Having a bullpen in April.

That would’ve helped.

[KeefeCato]

Not only was he out but, VERY OUT!

Umps are so bad.

[Falls City Beer]

It ain't over til some fat, drunken lady falls over the railing onto the field and starts singing some old Britney Spears song.

No, this game is over. Luckily, we’ve got better starters.

[KeefeCato]

You know what would’ve helped?

Having a bullpen in April.

That would’ve helped.

No doubt about that. Would be right there close to the Brewers. And have a big WC lead.

[Kc61]

Wild Card contenders like the Reds aren’t great teams. I can live with a stinker like this once in awhile.

Much harder to accept games given away, like Wednesday afternoon against the Cards. Those will kill you down the stretch, losing games you should have won.

Tonight, happens, on to the next.

[RedTeamGo!]

Been saying for a month the Tigers aren’t a pushover. Folks been penciling this series as a win for awhile.

[REDREAD]

You know what would’ve helped?

Having a bullpen in April.

That would’ve helped.

Yep, hopefully that poor planning doesn't cost us the wildcard.
No excuse for Krall to have the team open the season with that bad of a bullpen.

[SomeCallMeTim]

Packing for vacation and everytime I check back the Tigers are scoring in pairs.

What has happened to this team?

[Alabama Red]

Is Hoffman our only relief pitcher? Maybe these other guys would be better if they ever got to pitch.

[Falls City Beer]

Been saying for a month the Tigers aren’t a pushover. Folks been penciling this series as a win for awhile.

Not I. The AL owns us.

[TheBigLebowski]

You’re a broken record, and it wouldn’t be so bad if it wasn’t played so much. You gave up on this team on April just like you did every year, like when you said “Castellanos can go” about 30 ABs into his Reds career.

No. I didn’t. And if anyone is a broken record here it’s you. Drop tiny little worthless observations but spend most of your time criticizing people for what you believe to be excessive negativity. It’s ok when you do it but if someone else expresses the exact same thought but with a little more stank on it, you pounce with this tired, disheveled holier-than-thou attitude with a heavy side of condescension. I think you’d probably spend days crying in a corner if you realized that you’re nowhere near as clever or important as you believe. I’ve had you on ignore for a long time and it’s great. It’s not 100% effective but it’s good enough. There is nothing you have ever posted I am better off for having read. You probably think the same about me, so do yourself a favor and put me on ignore. There is no reason for you not to do it. I don’t want to waste my time reading your drivel anf I’m quite sure you feel the same about me.

[KeefeCato]

Been saying for a month the Tigers aren’t a pushover. Folks been penciling this series as a win for awhile.

Anyone who pays attention shouldn't have been penciling it in. Tigers are not horrible.

[TexasRedsFan]

Wild Card contenders like the Reds aren’t great teams. I can live with a stinker like this once in awhile.

Much harder to accept games given away, like Wednesday afternoon against the Cards. Those will kill you down the stretch, losing games you should have won.

Tonight, happens, on to the next.

Agreed. Sometimes even great teams get their brains beat in. Hopefully they bounce back tomorrow.

[Sassy Sal]

Can anyone explain why Cast didn't try to catch that ball?

[KeefeCato]

Agreed. Sometimes even great teams get their brains beat in. Hopefully they bounce back tomorrow.

Not ready to call this a L yet. 5 runs in 4 ABs in this park not impossible at all. Question is will the pen give the bats a small chance?

[BluegrassRedleg]

You said the Reds losing the second game on Wednesday was a lock but yeah I’m the one who looks bad here.

The Reds ARE pissing this away. It doesn’t make me any less able to tolerable this kind of crap that passes as “insight”. It’s garbage posting, it’s too bad the good posters left over the years and this is what we’re left with.

I'm not concerned with looking good/bad on a sports message board. And I'm just having fun with you. Chill.

[Tom Servo]

No. I didn’t. And if anyone is a broken record here it’s you. Drop tiny little worthless observations but spend most of your time criticizing people for what you believe to be excessive negativity. It’s ok when you do it but if someone else expresses the exact same thought but with a little more stank on it, you pounce with this tired, disheveled holier-than-thou attitude with a heavy side of condescension. I think you’d probably spend days crying in a corner if you realized that you’re nowhere near as clever or important as you believe. I’ve had you on ignore for a long time and it’s great. It’s not 100% effective but it’s good enough. There is nothing you have ever posted I am better off for having read. You probably think the same about me, so do yourself a favor and put me on ignore. There is no reason for you not to do it. I don’t want to waste my time reading your drivel anf I’m quite sure you feel the same about me.
I’ve never said a guy was totally worthless after a handful of ABs, I’ve never declared a season over because of one game, and in sum I don’t treat baseball like football the way you have for years on end.

And yeah I’ve got you on ignore, don’t worry. But that pesky “view post” option still sits there tantalizingly and yet any time I press it I’m just reminded why I hit ignore in the first place. I won’t make the mistake again, I can fill in the blank in my head. “The Reds are pathetic, Stephenson/India/Hunter Greene/Matt McLain can go”.

[KeefeCato]

Hoffman's arm will fall off by seasons end at the rate Bell is using him.

[REDREAD]

Hopefully, over the winter, they cut bait with Hoffman.

[Kc61]

After a game like this, it’s time to bring back the Sell? thread.

[Alabama Red]

Just a pitiful performance tonight and for the last 10 games. In interviews these guys talk about what a good team they are and they just need to keep grinding. They’ve been grinding for two years and I don’t think many people would describe the team as good.

[KeefeCato]

Hopefully, over the winter, they cut bait with Hoffman.

It wouldn't hurt my feelings at all. But I doubt they do. He has been a little better as a reliever. But he is still nothing more than a long man mop up guy.

[Falls City Beer]

I’ve never said a guy was totally worthless after a handful of ABs, I’ve never declared a season over because of one game, and in sum I don’t treat baseball like football the way you have for years on end.

And yeah I’ve got you on ignore, don’t worry. But that pesky “view post” option still sits there tantalizingly and yet any time I press it I’m just reminded why I hit ignore in the first place. I won’t make the mistake again, I can fill in the blank in my head. “The Reds are pathetic, Stephenson/India/Hunter Greene/Matt McLain can go”.

Ok, but I’m the bad guy around here. Sheesh.

[REDREAD]

It wouldn't hurt my feelings at all. But I doubt they do. He has been a little better as a reliever. But he is still nothing more than a long man mop up guy.

Agreed, they likely keep him. Plenty of holes in the pen to be filled. Doubt they will get around to filling his spot. He's actually ok in games like this.

[Tom Servo]

Ok, but I’m the bad guy around here. Sheesh.
You’re not a bad guy, I like you despite your Cardinals love. It’s mindless Twitter rando tier takes I can’t handle, I guess the old ORG system of “be better or don’t be here at all” had that effect on me.

[TexasRedsFan]

For once, I'm all in favor of Amir getting some work.

[KeefeCato]

Agreed, they likely keep him. Plenty of holes in the pen to be filled. Doubt they will get around to filling his spot. He's actually ok in games like this.

Yeah he is probably on par with most teams 13th pitcher. He shouldn't be used in games your winning or within 2-3 runs. Bell has used him that way some though.

[Falls City Beer]

Just a pitiful performance tonight and for the last 10 games. In interviews these guys talk about what a good team they are and they just need to keep grinding. They’ve been grinding for two years and I don’t think many people would describe the team as good.

I agree. They weren’t ready for prime time last season, and they’re looking like a .500 team this one. The front office has to start doing what they’re paid ridiculous amounts of money to do, which is maximize their roster by April 1. The season is 6 months long. It’s time to start building a team for that duration.

[Strikes Out Looking]

Nick Kroll and David Bell brought a knife to a gun fight.

[KeefeCato]

For once, I'm all in favor of Amir getting some work.

Agree. But I would be more in favor of reading about his release.

[Strikes Out Looking]

Agree. But I would be more in favor of reading about his release.

Nope, he just needs a sports psychiatrist. He's still got great stuff.

[BluegrassRedleg]

You’re not a bad guy, I like you despite your Cardinals love. It’s mindless Twitter rando tier takes I can’t handle, I guess the old ORG system of “be better or don’t be here at all” had that effect on me.

It's a game thread, man. It has ALWAYS been like this. If it was rando, fly-by topics on the ORG, different story.

Whether you realize it or not, your tendency is to take frustration with the team out on other people. Let folks vent every now and then, even if it's foolish. You don't HAVE to respond to everything.

#Peace

[RedForLife]

In the position the Reds are, at this stage of the season, we should not be losing to a team like this. I'm not one to admire TinkerBell's managing tactics but, what about our hitters taking so many fastball strikes right down the pipe and then swinging on the next pitch down and away in the dirt? Now is the time to take that first pitch fatty and hit it out instead of trying to make up on the second piece of crap second pitch. I know I'm grasping at straws but, it's been a long time since we've had a really good Reds team to really get behind. If Winker comes back and can maintain his brilliance and if Geno is finally waking up then we are unbeatable. Our pitchers have to pitch with attitude also. Who in the clubhouse can jack everybody up? Go Reds!!!

[BluegrassRedleg]

Detroit Schrock City

[TexasRedsFan]

Agree. But I would be more in favor of reading about his release.

They seem committed to him through this season at least, but then I didn't think they'd actually release Doolittle, so who knows.

[redsfan9988]

When I die, my version of hell will be an eternity of watching the Reds lose a blowout while listening to John Sadak and Barry Larking discuss the merits of bunting the whole time.

[Tom Servo]

It's a game thread, man. It has ALWAYS been like this. If it was rando, fly-by topics on the ORG, different story.

Whether you realize it or not, your tendency is to take frustration with the team out on other people. Let folks vent every now and then, even if it's foolish. You don't HAVE to respond to everything.

#Peace
I think if I replied to every negative comment I’d still be backlogged. I think Raisor used to try and do that and I don’t want to end up like THAT. I know the nature of the beast.

My frustration is with this team, it’s crunch time and they’re not acting like it. Lebowski”s “Mousse can go” did get me though, I’ve just seen that same crap way too many times. He said it about Winker, about Castellanos, about everyone.

[REDREAD]

Not a complaint, but an observation.
Sadak needs to stop trying to be the stat expert and argue with Larkin and Lecure.. It's just not a good look.. Just let those guys praise the bunt, it's ok.. It's kind of like arguing politics.. arguing with those guys about bunts is not going to resolve anything. There already seems to be tension with Lark and Sadak.

[redsfan9988]

In the position the Reds are, at this stage of the season, we should not be losing to a team like this. I'm not one to admire TinkerBell's managing tactics but, what about our hitters taking so many fastball strikes right down the pipe and then swinging on the next pitch down and away in the dirt? Now is the time to take that first pitch fatty and hit it out instead of trying to make up on the second piece of crap second pitch. I know I'm grasping at straws but, it's been a long time since we've had a really good Reds team to really get behind. If Winker comes back and can maintain his brilliance and if Geno is finally waking up then we are unbeatable. Our pitchers have to pitch with attitude also. Who in the clubhouse can jack everybody up? Go Reds!!!

A. It’s baseball. You’re gonna lose. A lot. Even to mediocre teams
B. The Tigers have played pretty well since early June. There’s an outside chance they finish 2nd in their division.

[BluegrassRedleg]

India dipping badly on everything. Kinda lucked into a HR last time. What happened to the line-drive swing?

[NCReds]

We’re all Reds fans here, we all have that in common. I think the fact that Reds have shown great playoff capability this season and at the same time have shown that they can absolutely s**t the bed has caused a variety of emotions within this thread. Again, we’re all Reds fans. Let’s be optimistic and hope that this team can turn it around the last part of this season. And if not, this team has a bright future ahead of them.

[RedForLife]

I think if I replied to every negative comment I’d still be backlogged. I think Raisor used to try and do that and I don’t want to end up like THAT. I know the nature of the beast.

My frustration is with this team, it’s crunch time and they’re not acting like it. Lebowski”s “Mousse can go” did get me though, I’ve just seen that same crap way too many times. He said it about Winker, about Castellanos, about everyone.

If you really look at it, everybody that has posted here has dumped on just about every player on this team from time to time. It's frustration. We just want the Reds to win. You included.

[Falls City Beer]

If you really look at it, everybody that has posted here has dumped on just about every player on this team from time to time. It's frustration. We just want the Reds to win. You included.

Keep this same energy when you guys come for head lol.

[redsfan9988]

Keep this same energy when you guys come for head lol.

Don’t worry, bro… I won’t be coming to you for that.

[Tony Cloninger]

It’s a bad 10 game stretch after a great 20-30 one. They’ve bounced back before after bad losses. Hoffman has been good at the early season Romano role he had. Votto needs a day off. Suarez needs the rest of the year off.

[Alabama Red]

Not a complaint, but an observation.
Sadak needs to stop trying to be the stat expert and argue with Larkin and Lecure.. It's just not a good look.. Just let those guys praise the bunt, it's ok.. It's kind of like arguing politics.. arguing with those guys about bunts is not going to resolve anything. There already seems to be tension with Lark and Sadak.
To me Larkin seems to argue with everything Sadak says. Welsh does too but not as bad. I think Larkin got mad there and brought the old “guys who played the game” card.

[RedForLife]

India dipping badly on everything. Kinda lucked into a HR last time. What happened to the line-drive swing?

Luck counts.

[Falls City Beer]

Don’t worry, bro… I won’t be coming to you for that.

What then? My feet?

[BluegrassRedleg]

Twice in this game, second and third with less than two outs. Twice, meat of the order. Twice, failure.

That's the thing holding this team back the most right now. Yeah, the pitching let them down tonight, but this should be a 10-7 or 10-8 type game right now with three more swings at them.

[Alabama Red]

Well I’m going to call it a night. This one is out of reach and I’ve got to get up early to go watch the Tide dominate.

[Tony Cloninger]

Keep this same energy when you guys come for head lol.

Family board?? Or are you quoting the song Jet Boy, Jet Girl?

[redsfan9988]

What then? My feet?

*clears browser history* … no…

[mhs95_06]

India dipping badly on everything. Kinda lucked into a HR last time. What happened to the line-drive swing?

Yes, trying to do too much that AB, keep the line moving, a single scores 2 runs.

[RedForLife]

A. It’s baseball. You’re gonna lose. A lot. Even to mediocre teams
B. The Tigers have played pretty well since early June. There’s an outside chance they finish 2nd in their division.

Yup. Just searching for the blue sky.

[Tom Servo]

Twice in this game, second and third with less than two outs. Twice, meat of the order. Twice, failure.

That's the thing holding this team back the most right now. Yeah, the pitching let them down tonight, but this should be a 10-7 or 10-8 type game right now with three more swings at them.
definitely can't let the pitching and defense off the hook but yeah, a real lack of quality ABs in big spots outside of India's HR. The Marlins and Tigers haven't had that problem, and the Cubs probably won't either. They need to get this fixed.

[TexasRedsFan]

I like the way Bell's used Hoffman out of the pen. It's usually lower leverage, he mostly gets the job done and it's a benefit to have a guy who can go multiple innings without a sweat.

Of course before I could finish posting that, he gives up a homer.

[Falls City Beer]

Family board?? Or are you quoting the song Jet Boy, Jet Girl?

Huh? I’m asking for tolerance, guys. That’s all. Lol

[redsfan9988]

Well I’m going to call it a night. This one is out of reach and I’ve got to get up early to go watch the Tide dominate.

I’m from Miami… so here’s some totally unfounded South Florida confidence: Canes cover 19.5 at home.

[Mitri]

definitely can't let the pitching and defense off the hook but yeah, a real lack of quality ABs in big spots outside of India's HR. The Marlins and Tigers haven't had that problem, and the Cubs probably won't either. They need to get this fixed.

Yeah, this offense has been my concern for a while. Considering the bullpen they have, the bats have to be top-5 in the league and it's been clear for a while that they ain't close to that.

[REDREAD]

To me Larkin seems to argue with everything Sadak says. Welsh does too but not as bad. I think Larkin got mad there and brought the old “guys who played the game” card.

Larkin had a good point though. If the Reds' LH hitters knew how to bunt and did it every time the shift was on, teams would stop shifting on them. So short term, it hurts their slugging, but boosts OBP. Once the shift stops, they can go back to pulling everything and doing the loft angle thing.
Barry wasn't saying to just bunt for the heck of it.
Sadak's response was "people complain about walks, so how are bunt singles good".. Very weak.
Larkin does know a lot more about the game than Sadak.
Sadak pretty much just parrots what Lecure and Welsh say.

[Tony Cloninger]

Huh? I’m asking for tolerance, guys. That’s all. Lol

When you read what you wrote it sounded worse then what you meant. That song just popped in my head.

[REDREAD]

Huh? I’m asking for tolerance, guys. That’s all. Lol

you said "when you come for head". You meant to say "when you come for my head".
Thus, the jokes.

[Tom Servo]

Yeah, this offense has been my concern for a while. Considering the bullpen they have, the bats have to be top-5 in the league and it's been clear for a while that they ain't close to that.
It's just strange because on paper the offense is good and there are stretches where they live up to that, but then there come the disconcertingly long stretches where string of mediocre arms can neutralize them for a full week or longer.

I can accept that the offense won't always deliver on the road, but there's no good reason why they've disappeared so much recently at GABP.

[redsfan9988]

Yeah, this offense has been my concern for a while. Considering the bullpen they have, the bats have to be top-5 in the league and it's been clear for a while that they ain't close to that.

Reds have 8 consecutive favorable pitching matchups after tonight, and after that, play the Pirates in 9 of the last 18. It’s been a disappointing couple of weeks, but remember, we are ahead of where we should be. I thought it would take until mid-September to get the WC spot, and there’s a decent chance we’ll still be in sole possession after tonight.

[mhs95_06]

Larkin had a good point though. If the Reds' LH hitters knew how to bunt and did it every time the shift was on, teams would stop shifting on them. So short term, it hurts their slugging, but boosts OBP. Once the shift stops, they can go back to pulling everything and doing the loft angle thing.
Barry wasn't saying to just bunt for the heck of it.
Sadak's response was "people complain about walks, so how are bunt singles good".. Very weak.
Larkin does know a lot more about the game than Sadak.
Sadak pretty much just parrots what Lecure and Welsh say.

A hitter can do a lot of good by just hitting the ball the opposite way without bunting.

[REDREAD]

Reds have 8 consecutive favorable pitching matchups after tonight, and after that, play the Pirates in 9 of the last 18. It’s been a disappointing couple of weeks, but remember, we are ahead of where we should be. I thought it would take until mid-September to get the WC spot, and there’s a decent chance we’ll still be in sole possession after tonight.

If the Pirates ever stop tanking, that's going to seriously hurt our chances to contend :)

[KeefeCato]

India dipping badly on everything. Kinda lucked into a HR last time. What happened to the line-drive swing?

He is probably tired. Rookie this is his first 162 games season. He hasn't had many days off and his body is beat up. Month left. He should win ROY but I don't think it is the lock is was even a couple weeks ago.

[Falls City Beer]

Yeah, this offense has been my concern for a while. Considering the bullpen they have, the bats have to be top-5 in the league and it's been clear for a while that they ain't close to that.

Castellanos is super streaky. Probably more .750 OPS than .850 at this point in his career. That’s probably just regression you’re seeing with him. Not having Winker in the lineup hurts them.

[redsfan9988]

There’s a non-zero chance that AJ Hinch and the gang are banging on trash cans tonight. Wow.

[Tom Servo]

this is just embarrassing now

[RedTeamGo!]

Castellanos is super streaky. Probably more .750 OPS than .850 at this point in his career. That’s probably just regression you’re seeing with him. Not having Winker in the lineup hurts them.

.750?

No.

[redsfan9988]

Hoffman keeps it within triple-slam-range!

[RedForLife]

Aug. 3, 1989.
https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-1989-08-04-sp-647-story.html#:~:text=The%20Reds%20scored%2014%20runs %20on%2016%20hits%2C,against%20the%20Detroit%20Tig ers%20on%20June%2018%2C%201953.

1989 Houston Astros Logo
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Cincinnati Reds 14 0 0 0 0 0 3 1 X 18 26 0
WP: Tom Browning (9-10) • LP: Jim Clancy (5-9)

[Tom Servo]

Castellanos is super streaky. Probably more .750 OPS than .850 at this point in his career. That’s probably just regression you’re seeing with him.
just when I said I like you FCB you say something like this. The guy hit .286/.336/.504 over 4 full seasons before coming to the Reds, in absolutely no universe is he close to just a .750 OPS bat.

[mhs95_06]

It's just strange because on paper the offense is good and there are stretches where they live up to that, but then there come the disconcertingly long stretches where string of mediocre arms can neutralize them for a full week or longer.

I can accept that the offense won't always deliver on the road, but there's no good reason why they've disappeared so much recently at GABP.

Its not a good reason, but I think the visions of sugar plums(HRs) get in their heads and overtake the prudent hitting approaches they should have, moreso than on the road, although it isn't that good on the road because in parks that play big they hit warning track flies way too often.

[TexasRedsFan]

I know it's not over, but I'd start resting Cast and some other guys for tomorrow. No sense risking injury in a game like this.