9-6-21 Reds @ Cubs 2:20pm

[NatiRedGals]

Reds -

[Ironman92]

Cubs have been scoring well lately….a lot of players playing for jobs or next season.

Reds need to get back to playing well.

[Kc61]

Votto is off today. He’ll be 38 in a few days. Not enough rest for him, Reds should have had a plan to reduce his playing time IMO.

Maybe they’ll begin now. He did miss time injured, but that’s not the same thing as regular rest for an older player.

[UPRedsFan]

Votto is off today. He’ll be 38 in a few days. Not enough rest for him, Reds should have had a plan to reduce his playing time IMO.

Maybe they’ll begin now. He did miss time injured, but that’s not the same thing as regular rest for an older player.

Good day to rest him. 1:00 start on a travel day.

Let's hope Mr. Cabrera shows his worth against lhp today

[TheBigLebowski]

4-9. Ouch.

[NatiRedGals]

4-9. Ouch.

Ya this is getting old I wish they would let rookies play instead of waste away in AAA instead of dying by players we already know are washed or reached there best which isn't that good

[DocRed]

A lot tougher Cubs team than they were right after the break. Schwindel and Wisdom have been on fire and they still have Contreras, Ortega, Happ and Heyward. They have won 6 in a row and 9 of their last 12. This team better be ready to play or it will be a repeat of the Tigers series or worse. I guarantee the Cubs are relishing a shot at knocking us out of the playoff picture. This is their defacto playoffs and they have nothing to lose...

Money is going into the Cubs as well. Line moved from about +155 Cubs to +125 Cubs now.

[Kc61]

Wonder if it’s a coincidence Reds are facing lefties so often now.

Or did opposing managers suddenly realize that Reds can’t hit them.

[Ky Fried Redleg]

Well... got plenty of righthanders in there. Glad to see little used DrubalRed getting a start. May need to score some runs; Cubs have been putting some markers on the board of late.

[Wonderful Monds]

That is certainly a lineup.

[DocRed]

Votto is off today. He’ll be 38 in a few days. Not enough rest for him, Reds should have had a plan to reduce his playing time IMO.

Maybe they’ll begin now. He did miss time injured, but that’s not the same thing as regular rest for an older player.

I would give him about 1 day off a week. Despite his scorching streak he still has been pretty bad against LHP this year with a .655 OPS. I doubt this happens though as we don't really have a great RHB option to take his place and the fact that management has been hesitant to sit him even when he wasn't playing well. Asdrubal would be the only decent replacement for him there and he hasn't actually done much since joining the team.

I'm guessing this is Joey's last day off this year considering we have 4 days off between now and the end of the season already.

[Flyer Guy]

Let's hope the wind is blowing out at Wrigley. Our 4 through 8 hitters will need it.

[KeefeCato]

1. Rafael Ortega (L) CF
2. Frank Schwindel (R) 1B
3. Ian Happ (S) LF
4. Willson Contreras (R) C
5. Patrick Wisdom (R) 3B
6. Jason Heyward (L) RF
7. Matt Duffy (R) 2B
8. Sergio Alcantara (S) SS
9. Justin Steele (L) P

Cubs lineup. Is Ron Okay?

[JFLegal]

That is certainly a lineup.

of all of the lineups i've ever seen ... that is without question one of them.

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1. Rafael Ortega (L) CF
2. Frank Schwindel (R) 1B
3. Ian Happ (S) LF
4. Willson Contreras (R) C
5. Patrick Wisdom (R) 3B
6. Jason Heyward (L) RF
7. Matt Duffy (R) 2B
8. Sergio Alcantara (S) SS
9. Justin Steele (L) P

Cubs lineup. Is Ron Okay?

ron forgot to log out of his burner account "natiredgals."

[Ron Madden]

Is Ron Okay?

I'm fine. Thanks.
Just thought if someone else started the thread today it might change our luck. :)

[Ironman92]

1. Rafael Ortega (L) CF
2. Frank Schwindel (R) 1B
3. Ian Happ (S) LF
4. Willson Contreras (R) C
5. Patrick Wisdom (R) 3B
6. Jason Heyward (L) RF
7. Matt Duffy (R) 2B
8. Sergio Alcantara (S) SS
9. Justin Steele (L) P

Cubs lineup. Is Ron Okay?

Depends on who you ask [emoji13]

[NebraskaRed]

I'm not saying the Reds will win this game (with the way they've been playing, who can tell), but I'm not buying this idea that the Cubs are suddenly good again.

They just beat up on the Pirates.

Who did they play before that? The last place Twins.

Before that? They lost a series against the White Sox, a good team.

Before that? The last place Rockies.

[DocRed]

I'm not saying the Reds will win this game (with the way they've been playing, who can tell), but I'm not buying this idea that the Cubs are suddenly good again.

They just beat up on the Pirates.

Who did they play before that? The last place Twins.

Before that? They lost a series against the White Sox, a good team.

Before that? The last place Rockies.

Twins might be in last place but they have been hurt all season. They just got back Buxton and Donaldson their 2 best players. They are not the same team they were a month ago. They also just took 2 of 3 from the Brewers, TB and the White Sox. Rockies are also playing way better of late and recently took 2 of 3 from the Dodgers, swept the Padres and split with the Braves recently. Teams are in flux all season long for a variety of reason and it would behoove the Reds not to look past this Cubs team. No one said the Cubs are good but they are clearly not in the same god-awful category as the Pirates.

[KeefeCato]

I'm not saying the Reds will win this game (with the way they've been playing, who can tell), but I'm not buying this idea that the Cubs are suddenly good again.

They just beat up on the Pirates.

Who did they play before that? The last place Twins.

Before that? They lost a series against the White Sox, a good team.

Before that? The last place Rockies.

Cubs are terrible. But dangerous. They have a few hitters that are on fire. Playing for starting jobs or at least bench spots on next years roster. But the Reds need to win this series. Not making excuses for the Reds. They need to take the series. Time is running out.

[NebraskaRed]

Let's not forget Larkin's words of wisdom at the end of yesterday's game: the Reds should start winning games instead of losing games.

[KronoRed]

4-9. Ouch.

Yeah, Gray should be batting higher.

[KeefeCato]

Ya this is getting old I wish they would let rookies play instead of waste away in AAA instead of dying by players we already know are washed or reached there best which isn't that good

What young guys? Barrero is in AAA. Could he help maybe, maybe not. Few if any team would put a rookie who has not been with the team since the start of the season in the lineup in a playoff race. If your talking Lopez he can't hit a ball hard. He is a 4A/fringe major leaguer Shogo part 2.
I haven't heard you call for Shogo of late. You must have finally realized what nearly everyone here tried to tell you. Shogo can't hit. Thank goodness they didn't bench or even send down Naquin like you were calling for back in June.

[Mitri]

Today would be a good time to fix the sinking ship.

[NebraskaRed]

"Be aggressive early" seems to be the plan today. Not much luck with that, so far.

[KeefeCato]

Both Stephenson and India are struggling a bit. First time playing the 162 game grind for them.

[KeefeCato]

I love watching Castellanos play. Guy hustles non stop.

[Mitri]

Ugh. They really need to get Barrero up and move Farmer to 3B vs. LHPs.

[Ky Fried Redleg]

I'm fine. Thanks.
Just thought if someone else started the thread today it might change our luck. :)

Baseball guys are so superstitious. ;)

[Kc61]

I forgot to shut the TV sound off when Suarez was up.

I try not to listen to to the announcers talk about him. Insufferable in my view.

[KeefeCato]

I forgot to shut the TV sound off when Suarez was up.

I try not to listen to to the announcers talk about him. Insufferable in my view.

Imagine it is orders from Bob.

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Small sample. But Schwindel looks to be a great hitter.

[NebraskaRed]

Not the best start...

[Tom Servo]

It’s always Ian Happ.

[Reds Fanatic]

Here we go again 3,run homer for Happ

[Mitri]

Wow.

[Powel Crosley]

We need orders to walk Ian Happ from now on.

[BluegrassRedleg]

Only team in MLB that doesn't have a GD scouting report on Ian F'ing Happ.

[KeefeCato]

Wow. Reds will sign Ian Happ in the offseason. Problem is he only hits against the Reds.

[NebraskaRed]

I'm not saying the Reds will win this game (with the way they've been playing, who can tell), but I'm not buying this idea that the Cubs are suddenly good again.

They just beat up on the Pirates.

Who did they play before that? The last place Twins.

Before that? They lost a series against the White Sox, a good team.

Before that? The last place Rockies.

I'm an idiot

[Alabama Red]

This team is on the verge of blowing it.

[redsfan9988]

Wow. This is getting ugly. Reds pitching single-handedly keeping Ian Happ from his fallback career as manager of Foot Locker.

[RedsFanInMS]

This crap is unbelievable. 9 straight games we've been behind first.

[REDREAD]

And you know what? Votto finally gets a day off, so Caberera makes an error on the leadoff hitter, which later scores.
Meaning: Votto makes that play.
That's just the way things have been for the Reds lately, anything that can go bad, is going bad.
This is not a criticism of giving Votto a day off (he needed one) or even criticizing Caberera.. But man, the "Breaks" are few and
far between for us lately.

[Kc61]

This crap is unbelievable. 9 straight games we've been behind first.

Against LHP it doesn’t matter when they fall behind. For the season they have an OPS against LHP below .700. They’ve been lucky not to face many of them.

[Alabama Red]

And you know what? Votto finally gets a day off, so Caberera makes an error on the leadoff hitter, which later scores.
Meaning: Votto makes that play.
That's just the way things have been for the Reds lately, anything that can go bad, is going bad.
This is not a criticism of giving Votto a day off (he needed one) or even criticizing Caberera.. But man, the "Breaks" are few and
far between for us lately.
The hits have been few and far between too.

[REDREAD]

Wow. Reds will sign Ian Happ in the offseason. Problem is he only hits against the Reds.

If the price is right, I'd welcome Happ. He's been hitting pretty good of late (granted, against not so great teams).
He's better than Shogo or AA, and a better CF than Naquin. Not a start, but not a horrible player either.
And yea, taking him off the Cubs probably gains us 2-3 more wins on the season :lol:

[TheBigLebowski]

This team is done. Can’t recall the last time I’ve seen a team collapse like this.

[Kc61]

And you know what? Votto finally gets a day off, so Caberera makes an error on the leadoff hitter, which later scores.
Meaning: Votto makes that play.
That's just the way things have been for the Reds lately, anything that can go bad, is going bad.
This is not a criticism of giving Votto a day off (he needed one) or even criticizing Caberera.. But man, the "Breaks" are few and
far between for us lately.

If you use players out of position they will make errors.

Cabrera has played some first, but it’s not his main position.

[REDREAD]

Cabererea really looked overmatched in that at bat.

[NebraskaRed]

Cabererea really looked overmatched in that at bat.

He worked a walk yesterday and that was the first (and so far, the only) time that he looked comfortable at the plate since becoming a Red.

[Kc61]

Cabererea really looked overmatched in that at bat.

In defense of Cabrera, Reds should have given him a couple of games to get some at bats. He’s probably ice cold sitting around and not getting any playing time.

[REDREAD]

He worked a walk yesterday and that was the first (and so far, the only) time that he looked comfortable at the plate since becoming a Red.

Yea, I have not given up on him, I think he will look better the second time he sees the kid.

[Ky Fried Redleg]

CB Bucknor as crew chief says a lot abut the state of today's umpiring.

[Wonderful Monds]

Let's not forget Larkin's words of wisdom at the end of yesterday's game: the Reds should start winning games instead of losing games.

I hope the reds score more runs than the cubs

[REDREAD]

good catch by Cabrera

[Bruce Berenyi]

the heath and sean and lucas crap show blew games that will cost them the playoffs

[Kc61]

I hope the reds score more runs than the cubs

I hope the Reds score more runs than zero.

[Mitri]

And you know what? Votto finally gets a day off, so Caberera makes an error on the leadoff hitter, which later scores.
Meaning: Votto makes that play.
That's just the way things have been for the Reds lately, anything that can go bad, is going bad.
This is not a criticism of giving Votto a day off (he needed one) or even criticizing Caberera.. But man, the "Breaks" are few and
far between for us lately.

Votto literally flubbed that play last night too. Exact same place. Team defense sucks on all the corners, really.

[NebraskaRed]

I hope the reds score more runs than the cubs

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[Kc61]

Votto literally flubbed that play last night too. Exact same place. Team defense sucks on all the corners, really.

Lot of guys who might be DHs in the American League.

Reducing that number should be a major off-season project of Reds.

Especially those who don’t hit.

[TheBigLebowski]

That’s Reds Baseball right now. Screamer up the middle hits the P and bounces harmlessly to 2nd.

Ho hum.

[NebraskaRed]

Gray has looked really good (minus the first 3 batters...but, you know)

[Ironman92]

Lefty and day game…..reds aren’t seeing it well.

Nick got robbed but he didn’t hit it great the first time and got a double. He appears to be our only hitter today.

[Ironman92]

Farmer time…let’s go

[BluegrassRedleg]

To call this pathetic doesn't seem strong enough.

[NebraskaRed]

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[Ky Fried Redleg]

Forget J. Steele , Justin Beiber could shut us down at this point.

[Ironman92]

Terribly handled by ump

Missed the original strike 3 but then next pitch he correctly calls it but waits forever leading Cubs player assuming a walk….then rings him up

Just make the damn call

[Ironman92]

Lol Nick not very bendy on that play

[Ironman92]

Ball was scorched and hate to break it to Cowboy….but the Reds don’t have a first baseman that’s going to throw his body in front of it. Votto is side playing that rocket every time….he learned it from Dat Dude.

[NebraskaRed]

Cabrera is not the backup first baseman that Chuckie dreamed of having.

[Ironman92]

Cowboy is completely full of crap ….good lord just lie to everyone watching to make a point

[Kc61]

Brantley saying Reds are pressing at the plate.

But he’s ignoring that the team hasn’t hit lefties all year.

[Red Buckeye]

I bought Reds Dodgers tickets a couple weeks with the expectation the Reds would be in the playoff race.
Now i am regretting my purchase. It's like this team doesn't want to play in the postseason. Losing game after game to teams that gave up.

[NebraskaRed]

Swinging at 3-1 with the pitcher up next?

[NebraskaRed]

Everyone is trying to be the hero and the result is that nobody is doing anything.

[RedsFanInMS]

We are playing freaking Asdrubal Cabrera and Delino Deshields Jr while trying to win a playoff spot. Enough said.

[Ky Fried Redleg]

"It's a hard, unforgiving game." Yeah, and they are getting paid $15 MIL / per to play it. Come on, man! When you can't keep the lights and heat on at the house or put food in the kids' mouths...that's HARD!

[Ky Fried Redleg]

We are playing freaking Asdrubal Cabrera and Delino Deshields Jr while trying to win a playoff spot. Enough said.

Big picture...why is that?

[Kc61]

Big picture...why is that?

Reds have a weak RHH platoon?

[NebraskaRed]

I expected the Reds offense to disappear once they got into the playoffs, but apparently they decided to get a headstart on that.

[Kc61]

C’mon Suarez, you had two lousy at bats today. Time to do something.

[NebraskaRed]

Geno takes one for the team

[Kc61]

Two HBP.

The keys to offense.

A run!

[NebraskaRed]

Cabrera takes one for the team.

Gotta say, that was the ideal outcome for those 2 hitters.

[RedsFanInMS]

Suarez and Cabrera playing the Roger Dorn role to a t

[Kc61]

Cubs bringing in a RHP.

I like Farmer but I’d go right to my LHH platoon. Right here.

I’d go with Moose, Votto, Schrock, Naquin right now.

Reds sticking with Farmer, bases loaded, no outs.

[BluegrassRedleg]

Triple-play coming.

[Hillsdale87]

I'm not sure I've ever seen somebody stand as far from the plate as Cabrera, and he somehow still got hit. I'll take it


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[Ky Fried Redleg]

That's the key it seems!!! Now if Kershaw will hit twelve Reds' batters, we might knock off the Dodgers in that WC game.

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Triple-play coming.

:laugh:

[mhs95_06]

Castellanos very slow in reacting to that WP!

[Kc61]

Two HBP, and a Wild Pitch.

Two runs in.

[BluegrassRedleg]

Suarez sucks so bad, it's unimaginable. What is his purpose??? RUN JAGOFF

[NebraskaRed]

Farmer looked intent on striking out during that AB, so let's be thankful for that wild pitch

[TheBigLebowski]

Why is Suarez still at 2nd???

[Ky Fried Redleg]

Come on... more hit batters and wild pitches...PLEASE!!!

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Why is Suarez still at 2nd???

Because he's Suarez.

[Playadlc]

Why is Suarez still at 2nd???

So incredibly stupid for him not to be at 3rd.

[RedsFanInMS]

Why is Suarez still at 2nd???

That's little league bad

[TheBigLebowski]

If the Reds lose this game 3-2 he needs a pink slip. That is completely inexcusable.

[Hillsdale87]

Barrero needs to be up and playing every day. Farmer was fun in July. For this team to have a chance in the playoffs, they need to be hoping to hit a ceiling. Barrero at least gives them that


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[BluegrassRedleg]

Schrock & Roll Ain't Base Pollution

[BCubb2003]

Red Schrocktober!

[Kc61]

Cubs put in a righty pitcher. Strategic mistake.

[mhs95_06]

3-2 count on that hit allowed the runners to get where they should be. Would have the lead now had they all moved up on the WP.

[Ky Fried Redleg]

MAX SCHROCK ... one of Reds' best hitter!!!

[RedsFanInMS]

Great AB by Moose. Gray could've done that.

[TheBigLebowski]

Shrock saved Suarez. I hope the guy is up for good now. He’s clearly good enough.

[OldFashionedRed]

Red Schrocktober!

I like the sound of that:beerme:

[Ky Fried Redleg]

Moose the Liability.

[NebraskaRed]

Saw that Moose pop up coming a mile away

[TexasRedsFan]

I would like to see Schrock still in a Reds uniform in 2022.

[davereds24]

Shrock saved Suarez. I hope the guy is up for good now. He’s clearly good enough.

Not really, still cost them a run there.

[Ky Fried Redleg]

Great AB by Moose. Gray could've done that.

I'll take the verbal tonguelashing... Moose is awful.

[Kc61]

3-2 count on that hit allowed the runners to get where they should be. Would have the lead now had they all moved up on the WP.

More generally, the Reds are totally station-to-station. Painfully slow baseball team. It costs them trying to score when not hitting home runs.

[Hillsdale87]

Suarez not taking a base was so bad. Should be 4-3. Then Bell probably wouldn't have pinch hit for Gray. Had to take out a hot pitcher and trust the bullpen


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[mhs95_06]

Great AB by Moose. Gray could've done that.

Yes, but Moose had a higher ceiling!

[Falls City Beer]

17670

Max Schreck approves of Max Schrock.

[TheBigLebowski]

I'll take the verbal tonguelashing... Moose is awful.

You’ll get no pushback from me. I hope he’s elsewhere next season.

[OldFashionedRed]

Should have kept Gray in. He's got 66 pitches. If he truly can't stay out there more than that, then he needs to be a long reliever.

[TheBigLebowski]

Let me try positivity. Sims is going to get 6 easy outs.

[RedsFanInMS]

Not really, still cost them a run there.
Yep. Cabrera would've been on 2nd and scored. That's really bad. That kind of crap gets you DFA'd.

[mhs95_06]

Yes, but Moose had a higher ceiling!

Sometimes you need the higher floor, and Farmer has a much higher floor than Barrero.

[NebraskaRed]

Should have kept Gray in. He's got 66 pitches. If he truly can't stay out there more than that, then he needs to be a long reliever.

He could. Bell pulled him so that Moose could maybe extend the inning, which of course he did not.

[Ky Fried Redleg]

Cubs bringing in a RHP.

I like Farmer but I’d go right to my LHH platoon. Right here.

I’d go with Moose, Votto, Schrock, Naquin right now.

Reds sticking with Farmer, bases loaded, no outs.

No

[Kc61]

Should have kept Gray in. He's got 66 pitches. If he truly can't stay out there more than that, then he needs to be a long reliever.

Have to try and take the lead with a pinch hitter.

Can’t let that opportunity go by without trying.

[OldFashionedRed]

I'll take the verbal tonguelashing... Moose is awful.

He's still working off the pizzas.

[Ky Fried Redleg]

He could. Bell pulled him so that Moose could maybe extend the inning, which of course he did not.

I trust Gray more at the plate than I do our Moose.

[Kc61]

I trust Gray more at the plate than I do our Moose.

A joke, right?

C’mon, Moose was injured, had a slow return. But he’s a good hitter.

[Ky Fried Redleg]

He's still working off the pizzas.

I read where he said In and Out Burgers is his favorite .

[OldFashionedRed]

He could. Bell pulled him so that Moose could maybe extend the inning, which of course he did not.

But needing to extend the inning, on what should have been the lead before Moose came to the plate, is on the rest of the offense, not on Gray. Gray was rolling. It's up to the rest of the offense to provide run support. Bell making changes that make my cats quietly disappear from the room.

[OldFashionedRed]

I read where he said In and Out Burgers is his favorite .

Maybe he meant Inn Burgers.

[Kc61]

But needing to extend the inning, on what should have been the lead before Moose came to the plate, is on the rest of the offense, not on Gray. Gray was rolling. It's up to the rest of the offense to provide run support. Bell making changes that make my cats quietly disappear from the room.

It was 3-3, men on base, sixth inning. Have to pinch hit.

[NebraskaRed]

But needing to extend the inning, on what should have been the lead before Moose came to the plate, is on the rest of the offense, not on Gray. Gray was rolling. It's up to the rest of the offense to provide run support. Bell making changes that make my cats quietly disappear from the room.

Oh, I agree. I was just saying that Gray was capable of pitching more.

[Ky Fried Redleg]

A joke, right?

C’mon, Moose was injured, had a slow return. But he’s a good hitter.

Kinda joking. But, no, Moose is definitely not a good hitter. At least, I haven't seen any really good hitting from the Mooster the last two seasons. Maybe I missed something.

[OldFashionedRed]

It was 3-3, men on base, sixth inning. Have to pinch hit.

No, you don't. The top of the offense has to step up. You're punishing the pitching for something the offense didn't do.

[Kc61]

Kinda joking. But, no, Moose is definitely not a good hitter. At least, I haven't seen the last two seasons. Maybe I missed something.

Moose hit .799 OPS last year.

That’s pretty good.

[mhs95_06]

Sims ends the inning with a middle, middle slider. Lucky Wisdom was looking for something else!

[TheBigLebowski]

Sims looks untouchable sometimes. And then there..are other times.

[mhs95_06]

No, you don't. The top of the offense has to step up. You're punishing the pitching for something the offense didn't do.

That's the nature of baseball, a team game.

[Wonderful Monds]

I trust Gray more at the plate than I do our Moose.

Genuinely don’t get your problem. Your weird bashing of Moustakas is one of the most annoying bits this board has had in a while.

[mhs95_06]

Sims looks untouchable sometimes. And then there..are other times.

Brantley with a nice discussion of why.

[Wonderful Monds]

Kinda joking. But, no, Moose is definitely not a good hitter. At least, I haven't seen the last two seasons. Maybe I missed something.

Yeah you did. He had an 800 OPS last year, which has been pointed out to you by a handful of different people here. Not sure why you choose to ignore that.

[RedsFanInMS]

Genuinely don’t get your problem. Your weird bashing of Moustakas is one of the most annoying bits this board has had in a while.

Moose is being paid lots of money by a small market club, and he hasn't returned very much on that investment. He's been hurt way too much and hasn't been clutch at all. To be fair for his salary he's way underperformed.

[PuffyPig]

Mets blow their game in the 9th.


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[PuffyPig]

But needing to extend the inning, on what should have been the lead before Moose came to the plate, is on the rest of the offense, not on Gray. Gray was rolling. It's up to the rest of the offense to provide run support. Bell making changes that make my cats quietly disappear from the room.

Bell managed that inning perfectly.


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[Kc61]

Moose is being paid lots of money by a small market club, and he hasn't returned very much on that investment. He's been hurt way too much and hasn't been clutch at all. To be fair for his salary he's way underperformed.

Moose came up clutch quite often last season.

[RedsFanInMS]

Bell managed that inning perfectly.


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He indeed did. The highly paid player didn't perform in the clutch. Nothing Bell can do about that.

[Kc61]

He indeed did. The highly paid player didn't perform in the clutch. Nothing Bell can do about that.

Moose hit .364 with runners in scoring position last season. Very high OPS too.

[RedsFanInMS]

Moose came up clutch quite often last season.

You sure about that?

[PuffyPig]

Cards down 4-0 in the first vs. Scherzer and the Dodgers.


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[Alabama Red]

Why did they cut that gay girl out of the children’s hospital commercial? I just noticed she got whacked out.

[PuffyPig]

You sure about that?

I believe he is.


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[mhs95_06]

Bell managed that inning perfectly.


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The interesting dilemma would have been if the Reds led 4-3 with at least one runner in scoring position when Gray came up, if Bell would have pinch hit for Gray.

[Kc61]

You sure about that?

According to MLB.com, Moose hit .364 with men in scoring position last year.

Very high OPS.

So I’m pretty sure.

[OldFashionedRed]

Bell managed that inning perfectly.


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He should have left Gray in. We'll agree to disagree.

[TexasRedsFan]

Damn, I thought Farmer had put that in the basket.

[onehand]

Bell managed that inning perfectly.


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Perhaps with the exception of not pinch running for Cabrera... although it wouldn't have mattered due to Geno looking lost on the bases.

[BluegrassRedleg]

Moose is being paid lots of money by a small market club, and he hasn't returned very much on that investment. He's been hurt way too much and hasn't been clutch at all. To be fair for his salary he's way underperformed.

Do you complain when a player is out-producing his contract and demand he get more? Seems fair.

[NebraskaRed]

Cards down 4-0 in the first vs. Scherzer and the Dodgers.


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Phillies up 4-0 over the Brewers

[RedsFanInMS]

Do you complain when a player is out-producing his contract and demand he get more? Seems fair.

Not if he deserves it. Like Castellanos. Winker deserves more.

[NebraskaRed]

Phillies up 4-0 over the Brewers

5-0

[Ironman92]

Farmer so close

[KeefeCato]

So have used Sims 6th Cessa 7th Lorenzen 8th and I imagine Givens 9th. Better win this game next inning. Cause if it goes extras pitchers left will be
Garrett, Wilson, Brach, Santillan , Hoffman.

[Ironman92]

Why did they cut that gay girl out of the children’s hospital commercial? I just noticed she got whacked out.

Lol what?

[PuffyPig]

He should have left Gray in. We'll agree to disagree.

Gray was likely only pitching one more inning, based on his previous usage. The chance to get two runs likely trumped that one more inning IMO.

But it’s debatable, and likely depended on what Gray told him about how he felt, news we are not privy to.


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[Ky Fried Redleg]

Genuinely don’t get your problem. Your weird bashing of Moustakas is one of the most annoying bits this board has had in a while.

The guy doesn't perform. He's out of shape; he can't get to balls at third ; he can't throw balls to first ; he can't hit balls(he CAN pop up balls). He can also buy a lot of balls with 16 MIL. So, I guess you're right, he's not deserving of criticism. Actually, "weird" is an apt description of defending Mooseplay.

[DocRed]

Mikey about to blow it...

[dakota42]

Of course.

[BluegrassRedleg]

Nice job, Lorenzen.

[RedsFanInMS]

Mikey about to blow it...

Mikey did blow it

[coryfly]

Up 0-2 would think you at least try to get them to chase a couple.


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[Ky Fried Redleg]

That's the kind of hitting approach you need. Why do our Reds not try that?

[TexasRedsFan]

According to MLB.com, Moose hit .364 with men in scoring position last year.

Very high OPS.

So I’m pretty sure.

Yes, but let's not get carried away with last season. It was 44 games and 139 at-bats. This year, more at-bats and worse results. I get that he's been injured and Bell has also done him NO favors by yanking him in and out of the lineup. Neither of those things are his fault, but bottom line is he's paid a ton of money to produce and this year in particular, he just hasn't. So I'm a little frustrated with him too and considering the shape he's in, I don't have high hopes that the fortunes will change much.

Reds have to make a decision on Moose and Suarez before 2022. They can't both be back next season. They'll probably have to pay most of at least one of those contracts to get something back in trade. Don't think I feel comfortable penciling in either as the regular 3rd baseman next year.

[DocRed]

Losing Antone was a HUGE blow for the Reds IMO. Trading Raisel for cash was equally huge. There is your quality set up man and closer...both are now distant memories that we won't have for the closing stretch. I think in the end the Bullpen or lack of one will keep us out of the playoffs. We have the starting pitching and hitting but we do not have a quality pen.

[OldFashionedRed]

That's the kind of hitting approach you need. Why do our Reds not try that?

Wait for pitches down the middle to swing at? We've got the first part of that right. :lol:

[RedsFanInMS]

Will this team finish over .500 is now the question?

[Wonderful Monds]

The guy doesn't perform. He's out of shape; he can't get to balls at third ; he can't throw balls to first ; he can't hit balls(he CAN pop up balls). He can also buy a lot of balls with 16 MIL. So, I guess you're right, he's not deserving of criticism. Actually, "weird" is an apt description of defending Mooseplay.

He played well last year and is injured this year. There’s some level of apt criticism for that. Claiming that he’s too fat to exist on a baseball field and is a worse hitter than a pitcher is not that. It’s also extremely dumb and objectively wrong.

Guys get hurt sometimes. Let it go.

[Alabama Red]

Lol what?
Earlier in the season they had a girl and it said something like who can can face gender identity or something like that. Then It said, Kids can. She has now been removed from the commercial and the rest of the commercial is the same.

[Ky Fried Redleg]

Losing Antone was a HUGE blow for the Reds IMO. Trading Raisel for cash was equally huge. There is your quality set up man and closer...both are now distant memories that we won't have for the closing stretch. I think in the end the Bullpen or lack of one will keep us out of the playoffs. We have the starting pitching and hitting but we do not have a quality pen.

Hope our owner is enjoying his cash.

[DocRed]

3 run HR coming up.

[PuffyPig]

Yes, but let's not carried away with last season. It was 44 games and 139 at-bats. This year, more at-bats and worse results. I get that he's been injured and Bell has also done him NO favors by yanking him in and out of the lineup. Neither of those things are his fault, but bottom line is he's paid a ton of money to produce and this year in particular, he just hasn't. So I'm a little frustrated with him too and considering the shape he's in, I don't have high hopes that the fortunes will change much.

Reds have to make a decision on Moose and Suarez before 2022. They can't both be back next season. They'll probably have to pay most of at least one of those contracts to get something back in trade. Don't think I feel comfortable penciling in either as the regular 3rd baseman next year.

Since the poster referred to Moose not being clutch last year, I don’t think the sample size really matters.


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[OldFashionedRed]

Will this team finish over .500 is now the question?

I think they will, but I don't see them getting the wildcard. Too many holes.

[Alabama Red]

This game has had it all. Poor starting pitching, poor defense, poor hitting and poor relief pitching.

[RedsFanInMS]

He played well last year and is injured this year. There’s some level of apt criticism for that. Claiming that he’s too fat to exist on a baseball field and is a worse hitter than a pitcher is not that. It’s also extremely dumb and objectively wrong.

Guys get hurt sometimes. Let it go.
He didn't play well last year. He hit .230 with 8 homers and 27 RBI's. For his salary that's well below average. I like Moose. I want him to do well here. He just hasn't. Why can't we handle that truth? He's underperformed and been injury prone since he's been here. I hate it, but it is what it is.

[DocRed]

Moose between being injured and his overall production has done nothing to earn his $16M a year and yes being able to stay healthy matters.

[WVRedsFan]

Michael Lorenzen is never the answer.

[OldFashionedRed]

He didn't play well last year. He hit .230 with 8 homers and 27 RBI's. For his salary that's well below average. I like Moose. I want him to do well here. He just hasn't. Why can't we handle that truth? He's underperformed and been injury prone since he's been here. I hate it, but it is what it is.

Fans feel buyer's remorse, too. ;)

[lnn6574]

This game has had it all. Poor starting pitching, poor defense, poor hitting and poor relief pitching.

Poor base running. Geno has gotten too Jobu happy.


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[Wonderful Monds]

He didn't play well last year. He hit .230 with 8 homers and 27 RBI's. For his salary that's well below average. I like Moose. I want him to do well here. He just hasn't. Why can't we handle that truth? He's underperformed and been injury prone since he's been here. I hate it, but it is what it is.

Maybe he should’ve hit better but he was hardly dead weight or literally incapable of doing anything right on the field as KY over there wants to claim. If you wanna call his contract a disappointment, fine by me. Acting like he’s one of the worst players in baseball or was an obviously bad player when they signed him is dumb and annoying though.

[Ky Fried Redleg]

He played well last year and is injured this year. There’s some level of apt criticism for that. Claiming that he’s too fat to exist on a baseball field and is a worse hitter than a pitcher is not that. It’s also extremely dumb and objectively wrong.

Guys get hurt sometimes. Let it go.

And out of shape guys hurt teams sometimes as well. I wish Bob had never written the check. Just my opinion. I'm sure many agree it was an outstanding investment.

[Ironman92]

Earlier in the season they had a girl and it said something like who can can face gender identity or something like that. Then It said, Kids can. She has now been removed from the commercial and the rest of the commercial is the same.

[emoji2371]…no clue

[Ironman92]

Michael Lorenzen is never the answer.

He’s been one of our best since he returned

[BluegrassRedleg]

Votto to PH against LHP. Bell, idiot.


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[dakota42]

He’s been one of our best since he returned
That's not saying much with this group.

[DocRed]

3 lefties vs a LHP pitcher in the 9th...awesome.

[WVRedsFan]

I don’t get this using Joey’s middle name all the time.

[Coopdaddy67]

Votto to PH against LHP. Bell, idiot.


I don't think any other RH are left.

I'll gladly take my chances with Votto anyway.

[davereds24]

Id love to see Jim Day or whoever is there ask Bell about the Suarez baserunning but doubt it happens.

[Wonderful Monds]

And out of shape guys hurt teams sometimes as well. I wish Bob had never written the check. Just my opinion. I'm sure many agree it was an outstanding investment.

Yeah, right, this. This is what’s dumb. The guy looks more or less as he always has. He’s probably not in peak playing condition, because as you’ll recall, he literally could not walk correctly for a month or two this summer. But you act like he’s just some caveman jagoff baffoon who became a tub of lard just to spite Reds fan. It’s the same level of banana phone analysis that complained about Griffey and Dunn having recliners in the clubhouse.

And I’d be more sympathetic to these criticisms, if not for the fact that it’s obvious you have a weird bone to pick with him for some bizarre. Like I remember you recently said he was bad in 2019 because he had a .250 average, a season in which he was also an all star and had an .845 OPS.


I don’t know if you’re the kind of fan that just loses their mind the second a player starts getting paid more than chump change or what the deal is, don’t really care either, but the whole act is very grating.

[OldFashionedRed]

Just swing at strikes. Jeez, Votto. You need hits.

[DocRed]

Its gotta be a great day to be a Cubs fan.....congrats. 7 straight now. Baez and Rizzo are smiling

[Wonderful Monds]

I don’t get this using Joey’s middle name all the time.

I’m assuming this is a Sadak thing, in which case the answer is because he’s a bad announcer who constantly tries to force that fake sense of grandiosity.

[OldFashionedRed]

Great job, Lorenzen.

[RedsFanInMS]

The slide continues. I love the Reds, but this team is done. I hope we can just finish over .500.

[WVRedsFan]

4-9 against “easy” teams. I give up.

[mhs95_06]

So have used Sims 6th Cessa 7th Lorenzen 8th and I imagine Givens 9th. Better win this game next inning. Cause if it goes extras pitchers left will be
Garrett, Wilson, Brach, Santillan , Hoffman.

Turns out we didn't see those five, or Givens! Blame that on base-running and defense.

[Ironman92]

That's not saying much with this group.

Going into today he had pitched in 16 games and did the job in 15 of them.

[TheBigLebowski]

Dunzo. They’re tapped. Even the addition of Delino DeShields Jr wasn’t enough to stop the Reds from inevitably realizing they are still the Reds.

[Tony Cloninger]

And out of shape guys hurt teams sometimes as well. I wish Bob had never written the check. Just my opinion. I'm sure many agree it was an outstanding investment.

No one thought Moose would turn into Blutto Blutowski but The inactivity prior to the season starting last year didn’t help.

[OldFashionedRed]

4-9 against “easy” teams. I give up.

It's just not what winning teams do. The closer they get to the end, the closer they become what they were. It saddens me, how many great teams have we had since 1990?

[Alabama Red]

The Reds are playing awful baseball and are just in the WC race because the other 3 teams aren’t doing much better. At some point they’re going to have run off 5-6 in a row. Even with that I think the Phillies may catch us.

[Wonderful Monds]

I’ve more or less mentally conceded the playoffs over the last few days. It’s still technically possible I guess, but they are clearly just completely melting down and I don’t see that changing when half the lineup is AAAA fodder and Suarez.

[NebraskaRed]

They didn't listen to Larkin's advice from yesterday.

[WVRedsFan]

That's not saying much with this group.Oh, he’s heard it locally. I have no idea why. Only person who ever did it to me was my mother when I was in trouble. Grates on me.

[REDREAD]

Why did they cut that gay girl out of the children’s hospital commercial? I just noticed she got whacked out.

She's still in the commercial, just not wearing the mask with the rainbow on.
I think all the masks are cut out of that commercial now.

[Kc61]

Yes, but let's not get carried away with last season. It was 44 games and 139 at-bats. This year, more at-bats and worse results. I get that he's been injured and Bell has also done him NO favors by yanking him in and out of the lineup. Neither of those things are his fault, but bottom line is he's paid a ton of money to produce and this year in particular, he just hasn't. So I'm a little frustrated with him too and considering the shape he's in, I don't have high hopes that the fortunes will change much.

Reds have to make a decision on Moose and Suarez before 2022. They can't both be back next season. They'll probably have to pay most of at least one of those contracts to get something back in trade. Don't think I feel comfortable penciling in either as the regular 3rd baseman next year.

If you don’t want to get carried away with last season, then look before that. Moose is a multi-time all star player.

Moose got hurt this year, plain and simple.

The worst thing Reds could do is overreact to an injury. Moose will get healthier.

[Wonderful Monds]

If you don’t want to get carried away with last season, then look before that. Multi-time all star player.

Moose got hurt this year, plain and simple.

The worst thing Reds could do is take a hit on some bad deal. He’ll get healthier.

And when he’s healthy and in the lineup, the Reds play like a completely different team. He had an OPS well over 800 in early August. The foot issue is clearly still bothering him quite a bit.

Can’t stand some of the new guys around here acting like they’ve never seen an injured player before.

[KeefeCato]

The slide continues. I love the Reds, but this team is done. I hope we can just finish over .500.

This is how I see it. There are winning and losing streaks during the season. Bad time for a losing streak right now. But teams are never as good as they look during winning streaks or as bad as they look during losing streaks.
I think they turn it around. Question is will it be too late? Ii think they finish above .500. 50/50 right now on making WC.

[WVRedsFan]

Oh, he’s heard it locally. I have no idea why. Only person who ever did it to me was my mother when I was in trouble. Grates on me.
That was for Wonderful Monds. Oops.

[RedTeamGo!]

Pretty simple: the Reds be choking

[REDREAD]

I don’t get this using Joey’s middle name all the time.

yea, another annoying thing Sadak does.

[Tony Cloninger]

I’m not confident Moose can just get healthy at his age and with his body type.

[TheBigLebowski]

And when he’s healthy and in the lineup, the Reds play like a completely different team. He had an OPS well over 800 in early August. The foot issue is clearly still bothering him quite a bit.

Can’t stand some of the new guys around here acting like they’ve never seen an injured player before.

I don’t want him next year either. I think he’s well past his “use by” date as evidenced by the physical breakdowns, the substandard production even when healthy and the price tag. His days of being a +WAR player are sadly in the rear view. Good guy, seems like a good teammate but from a purely objective standpoint he’s no longer an asset.

[DocRed]

Thankfully I got distracted with the Solheim Cup most of the day and missed most of the game...could be the most epic comeback in history in case you are interested.

[DocRed]

Pretty simple: the Reds be choking


Pretty sure you aren't allowed to use that type of language on this board...

[REDREAD]

I’ve more or less mentally conceded the playoffs over the last few days. It’s still technically possible I guess, but they are clearly just completely melting down and I don’t see that changing when half the lineup is AAAA fodder and Suarez.

Yea, the Reds might still win the WC because SD has a hard schedule and STL and Philly are not exactly great teams, but
they really don't look like a good team now. Still time to turn it around (STL has been helping us with bullpen meltdowns),
but at some point soon, they need to start winning series.

[Billy_Bearcat]

yea, another annoying thing Sadak does.

Nothing will be as bad as his fake Spanish accent.

[TheBigLebowski]

Thankfully I got distracted with the Solheim Cup most of the day and missed most of the game...could be the most epic comeback in history in case you are interested.

Justin Steele singlehandedly letting the Reds back in the game by actually exploding on the mound made for a pretty epic comeback, but it fell just short as Suarez continued to flummox this team in every way possible by staying put at 2nd on a wild pitch that ended up on the campus of Northwestern.

[DocRed]

Justin Steele singlehandedly letting the Reds back in the game by actually exploding on the mound made for a pretty epic comeback, but it fell just short as Suarez continued to flummox this team in every way possible by staying put at 2nd on a wild pitch that ended up on the campus of Northwestern.

What else is new LOL? Also did it even matter? Didn't Suarez end up scoring anyways?

[Wonderful Monds]

I don’t want him next year either. I think he’s well past his “use by” date as evidenced by the physical breakdowns, the substandard production even when healthy and the price tag. His days of being a +WAR player are sadly in the rear view. Good guy, seems like a good teammate but from a purely objective standpoint he’s no longer an asset.

That might possibly be the case, but even still, they’re going have him on the roster either way. Nobody is going to trade for him with his contract and his injury issues this year. They also definitely won’t DFA him. I think it’s not out of the realm they find a way to cut bait with Geno somehow. But they won’t do it with both Moose and Geno, and then also go out and use further resources on 3B.

At this point, my preference would be to find a way to get rid of Suarez, plug in Moose at 3rd and give him a chance to bounceback. Because one of those guys is definitely going to be the 3B next year, and I’d prefer it to be the guy that has shown signs of life in his bat this year instead of Geno who looks like he should be playing in low A ball.

[UPRedsFan]

When do the Bengals start? I don’t even like the NFL

[TexasRedsFan]

If you don’t want to get carried away with last season, then look before that. Moose is a multi-time all star player.

Moose got hurt this year, plain and simple.

The worst thing Reds could do is overreact to an injury. Moose will get healthier.

I like Moose and want him to do well. But I'm also not going to just ignore current results. You seem to assume that because his name is still Mike Moustakas, he will definitely go back to being the same reliable bat he was before. And I'm just saying I see little reason to just automatically think that. He wouldn't be the first player to never be as effective again after injuries. What someone did in the past is completely irrelevant if they're not able to help the team NOW. I'm hoping he can start with a clean slate next year and we can see for sure because the Reds have little choice with his salary but to keep playing him.

[REDREAD]

That might possibly be the case, but even still, they’re going have him on the roster either way. Nobody is going to trade for him with his contract and his injury issues this year. They also definitely won’t DFA him. I think it’s not out of the realm they find a way to cut bait with Geno somehow. But they won’t do it with both Moose and Geno, and then also go out and use further resources on 3B.

At this point, my preference would be to find a way to get rid of Suarez, plug in Moose at 3rd and give him a chance to bounceback. Because one of those guys is definitely going to be the 3B next year, and I’d prefer it to be the guy that has shown signs of life in his bat this year instead of Geno who looks like he should be playing in low A ball.

It's hard to predict for sure.
My guess is that both Geno and Moose are not movable.. therefore , they will both be on the team next year.
That's the Reds' MO.. hold on to a struggling player with a big contract , hoping he turns it around and is tradable.
If they put the DH in the NL next year, both are likely in the lineup just about every day.

[Ky Fried Redleg]

Pretty sure you aren't allowed to use that type of language on this board...

Or, God forbid, criticize Moosetracks for his out of shape body and inept performance.

[DocRed]

Thankfully I got distracted with the Solheim Cup most of the day and missed most of the game...could be the most epic comeback in history in case you are interested.

Bleh NM..the US just blew it. I should learn to keep my mouth shut. Reds lose, US Women lose the Solheim Cup and looks like zero Americans left in the US Open after today. What an awful sporting day...

[Wonderful Monds]

Or, God forbid, criticize Moosetracks for his out of shape body and inept performance.


https://youtu.be/Q_9VMaX61nI

[Tom Servo]

The Reds have decided to pee and poop their pants and fall apart instead of taking advantage of the gilded path in front of them. What can ya do?

[Mitri]

I think I predicted 83 or 84 wins this season. Reds might actually make it close with the way they’re playing. Pretty sure they’re the worst team in baseball right now.

[Coopdaddy67]

They're only 1 game back.

They just need to take a breath, forget about the past couple weeks and get back on track.

[mhs95_06]

4-9 against “easy” teams. I give up.

No MLB team is easy to beat, especially down the stretch drive.

[Ky Fried Redleg]

I think I predicted 83 or 84 wins this season. Reds might actually make it close with the way they’re playing. Pretty sure they’re the worst team in baseball right now.

Today, the Pirates handled those powerful Tigers that the Reds lost a series to over the weekend.

- - - Updated - - -


They're only 1 game back.

They just need to take a breath, forget about the past couple weeks and get back on track.

Yep, but we've been saying that for a week now.

[Kc61]

I like Moose and want him to do well. But I'm also not going to just ignore current results. You seem to assume that because his name is still Mike Moustakas, he will definitely go back to being the same reliable bat he was before. And I'm just saying I see little reason to just automatically think that. He wouldn't be the first player to never be as effective again after injuries. What someone did in the past is completely irrelevant if they're not able to help the team NOW. I'm hoping he can start with a clean slate next year and we can see for sure because the Reds have little choice with his salary but to keep playing him.

THe overreaction about Moose is simply frustration with the team’s decline. He’s a good player who got injured. Usually, they come back. Unless his injury was severe and long-lasting, he probably will too.

[NC-Red]

I tried to tell everyone here that this is still an awful team. I tried to say stop looking at how the pitching is doing and pay attention to how bad the offense is. You can’t win with only 3 guys in the lineup who could hit. I also said that the Indians would be ahead of the Reds if they played in the NL central which still holds true. Thank God college football is back so I don’t have to watch anymore of this train wreck franchise

[Ky Fried Redleg]

It's hard to predict for sure.
My guess is that both Geno and Moose are not movable.. therefore , they will both be on the team next year.
That's the Reds' MO.. hold on to a struggling player with a big contract , hoping he turns it around and is tradable.
If they put the DH in the NL next year, both are likely in the lineup just about every day.

Now THAT's truly wonderful!!!:rolleyes:

[Big Klu]

I don’t get this using Joey’s middle name all the time.

It's a bit of a Cincinnati tradition. I've heard several local broadcasters (including Marty Brennaman) talk about Johnny Lee Bench and Peter Edward Rose.

[Mitri]

I tried to tell everyone here that this is still an awful team. I tried to say stop looking at how the pitching is doing and pay attention to how bad the offense is. You can’t win with only 3 guys in the lineup who could hit. I also said that the Indians would be ahead of the Reds if they played in the NL central which still holds true. Thank God college football is back so I don’t have to watch anymore of this train wreck franchise

Good riddance. See you in April!

[cumberlandreds]

I tried to tell everyone here that this is still an awful team. I tried to say stop looking at how the pitching is doing and pay attention to how bad the offense is. You can’t win with only 3 guys in the lineup who could hit. I also said that the Indians would be ahead of the Reds if they played in the NL central which still holds true. Thank God college football is back so I don’t have to watch anymore of this train wreck franchise

Good! That means we won't have to read anymore of your posts this season. :thumbup:

[Indymoon]

What else is new LOL? Also did it even matter? Didn't Suarez end up scoring anyways?

Yes, but Cabrera was behind him and would have scored on Schrock’s double as well if not for Geno's mistake.

[Ky Fried Redleg]

THe overreaction about Moose is simply frustration with the team’s decline. He’s a good player who got injured. Usually, they come back. Unless his injury was severe and long-lasting, he probably will too.

I was singing the same tune about the Moose when the Reds were twelve games over .500. Moose didn't just get bad and out of shape when the Reds started losing. I wasn't the only one lamenting Moose's liabilities three weeks ago. We all want the average to above average Moose of six or seven years ago to reappear but , then again, I want Steve Perry & Journey to do it again just like they did in the early eighties but it ain't happening.

[Ky Fried Redleg]

Yes, but Cabrera was behind him and would have scored on Schrock’s double as well if not for Geno's mistake.

Our beloved team is a very, very fundamentally unsound team. Those fundamental mistakes add up to cost you ballgames and it did yet again today.

[gagliano]

Earlier in the season they had a girl and it said something like who can can face gender identity or something like that. Then It said, Kids can. She has now been removed from the commercial and the rest of the commercial is the same.

Lol...ohio