9-10-21 Reds @ Cardinals 8:15pm

[Ron Madden]

Reds
1. Jonathan India (R) 2B
2. Tyler Stephenson (R) C
3. Nick Castellanos (R) RF
4. Joey Votto (L) 1B
5. Eugenio Suarez (R) 3B
6. Aristides Aquino (R) LF
7. Jose Barrero (R) SS
8. Delino DeShields (R) CF
9. Tyler Mahle (R) P

Cardinals
1. Tommy Edman (S) 2B
2. Paul Goldschmidt (R) 1B
3. Tyler O'Neill (R) LF
4. Nolan Arenado (R) 3B
5. Yadier Molina (R) C
6. Dylan Carlson (S) RF
7. Paul DeJong (R) SS
8. Harrison Bader (R) CF
9. Jon Lester (L) P

[RichRed]

Happy 38th birthday, Joey Votto!

Let's score 38 runs tonight in his honor.

[Ron Madden]

obby Nightengale
@nightengalejr
Kyle Farmer was placed on the 3-day paternity list. Shortstop Jose Barrero activated on the 26-man roster. #Reds

[KeefeCato]

I think once Farmer returns that Brach gets DFAd.

[davereds24]

Prove us wrong Delino.

[Kc61]

Good luck to Reds’ dreaded lineup against lefties tonight.

[Ky Fried Redleg]

I think once Farmer returns that Brach gets DFAd.

Hope he get DFA'd before he F's us again.

[DocRed]

Giants wallop the Cubs despite a bullpen day....that's how good teams do it.

[Fil3232]

Barrero! Stephenson!

Let’s wake up the bats and get one tonight!

[bing]

Love to see barrero have some success tonight. 3-4 with a HR type success.

[DocRed]

Love to see barrero have some success tonight. 3-4 with a HR type success.

Kid might as well swing for the fences...he has nothing to lose with this management.

[KeefeCato]

Joey is going to pass Frank tonight. Book it.

[Ky Fried Redleg]

Joey is going to pass Frank tonight. Book it.

I hear ya, Keefe. Let's go!!! Let's do this!!! I feel that our SS is going to contribute tonight as well.

[NebraskaRed]

Two first pitch outs in a row.

[coryfly]

Well, that was about as awful a first inning as they could have.

[Reds Fanatic]

Reds go down quickly 1-2-3 in the first

[Tom Servo]

grip it and rip it continues to sink them after largely working for 5 months.

[JP321]

Nick.. please stop swinging at the 1st pitch.. it doesn't work well for you

[Tom Servo]

Nick.. please stop swinging at the 1st pitch.. it doesn't work well for you
He’s actually hitting .362/.389/.609 on the first pitch this season. Stephenson similarly has success with it. But when it’s not working, well, it really doesn’t work.

[coryfly]

I would bet a large sum of money Mahle throws more than 7 pitches here.

[JP321]

He’s actually hitting .362/.389/.609 on the first pitch this season. Stephenson similarly has success with it. But when it’s not working, well, it really doesn’t work.

Surprising stat.. seems he has swung at 1st pitch every at bat lately, and it's been awful

[JP321]

I almost feel like the Reds are just out of gas. Every team is drained at this point, but we are REALLY struggling

[NebraskaRed]

I'm not saying it would have been easy to grab the ball, but Mahle had quite a delayed reaction to that grounder up the middle.

[KeefeCato]

I would bet a large sum of money Mahle throws more than 7 pitches here.

If not this inning then at some point he will throw 25 pitches in a inning. That is the thing they keeps him from being in the conversation as a top tier starter.

[coryfly]

Threw more pitches to get one out than Lester did the entire inning but that was a great pitch there.

[JP321]

Mahle attacks on the road cause he isn't afraid of giving up cheap shot home runs

[KeefeCato]

I almost feel like the Reds are just out of gas. Every team is drained at this point, but we are REALLY struggling

But outside of Farmer, Votto, Castellanos and India they should be as rested as any team. The other 4 spots have been platooned for the most part.

[coryfly]

Well, not too bad. Somewhat long AB to end it but it was the only 3 ball AB he had which is a great inning for Mahle.

[NebraskaRed]

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Aquino trying to see that ball.

[NebraskaRed]

And that's 3 first pitch outs in a row.

[NebraskaRed]

Geno!

[Reds Fanatic]

Geno homers! 1-0 Reds

[coryfly]

Saurez smoked that ball.

[Red Raindog]

That was a nice poke by Suarez


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[KeefeCato]

Jose no talking to that thing that catches for the Cardinals.

[Reds Fanatic]

Everyone is going up swinging tonight. Lester only 17 pitches in the first 2 innings

[coryfly]

Well, one run on an AB where Saurez went deep in the count. Outside of that there are at least five first or second pitch outs. Lester doesn't even have 20 pitches yet.

[Big Klu]

Updated Reds HR list (players in italics are active):

Reds 100-Home Run Club
1. Johnny Bench - 389
2. Frank Robinson - 324
2. Joey Votto - 324
4. Tony Pérez - 287
5. Adam Dunn - 270
6. Ted Kluszewski - 251
7. George Foster - 244
8. Jay Bruce - 233
9. Ken Griffey, Jr. - 210
10. Eric Davis - 203
11. Barry Larkin - 198
12. Brandon Phillips - 191
13. Vada Pinson - 186
14. Eugenio Suárez - 184
15. Wally Post - 172
16. Gus Bell - 160
17. Joe Morgan - 152
17. Pete Rose - 152
19. Lee May - 147
20. Dan Driessen - 133
21. Reggie Sanders - 125
22. Ernie Lombardi - 120
23. Sean Casey - 118
24. Frank McCormick - 110
25. Todd Frazier - 108
26. Dave Parker - 107
27. Chris Sabo - 104
28. Dave Concepción - 101

[JP321]

Better do damage on Lester.. cause with our approach, he will go 9

[Reds Fanatic]

A couple updates from the wild card chase. Phillies are losing 4-0. Mets are up 5-2

[KeefeCato]

Updated Reds HR list (players in italics are active):

Reds 100-Home Run Club
1. Johnny Bench - 389
2. Frank Robinson - 324
2. Joey Votto - 324
4. Tony Pérez - 287
5. Adam Dunn - 270
6. Ted Kluszewski - 251
7. George Foster - 244
8. Jay Bruce - 233
9. Ken Griffey, Jr. - 210
10. Eric Davis - 203
11. Barry Larkin - 198
12. Brandon Phillips - 191
13. Vada Pinson - 186
14. Eugenio Suárez - 184
15. Wally Post - 172
16. Gus Bell - 160
17. Joe Morgan - 152
17. Pete Rose - 152
19. Lee May - 147
20. Dan Driessen - 133
21. Reggie Sanders - 125
22. Ernie Lombardi - 120
23. Sean Casey - 118
24. Frank McCormick - 110
25. Todd Frazier - 108
26. Dave Parker - 107
27. Chris Sabo - 104
28. Dave Concepción - 101

Might as well go ahead and move Joey ahead of Frank. He is hitting one tonight.

[coryfly]

Nothing as infuriating as Molina getting a ******* hit.

[Kc61]

If Suarez would hit LHP it would help the Reds quite a bit. Votto too BTW, this year.

Cards with tying run on second.

[NebraskaRed]

Nice K of DeJong

[coryfly]

Would rather just walk Bader to face Lester.

- - - Updated - - -

Ball was in the zone by a couple of inches. What a garbage call.

[Red Raindog]

Ump missed that strike


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[TheBigLebowski]

Ball????

[KeefeCato]

As usual pitches piling up for Mahle.

[JP321]

Welsh says hitters don't see ball well off Mahle... yet he throes a million pitches in 5 innings

[coryfly]

Mahle just won't ever change so guess there is no reason to hope he does. Just going to be a dude with average control who throws a thousand pitches an inning and taxes your bullpen most times out.

[RedForLife]

Ump missed that strike


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I hate the Cardinals too (Reds fan since 1969).

[JP321]

Mahle and Castillo are very similar.. good stuff, but can lack control and are not pitch efficient.

[KeefeCato]

Might as well start setting up the pen for innings 6-9 if not earlier.

[Tom Servo]

It feels like in every good Mahle start people complain about the pitch count early and then he still manages to go 6 strong innings.

[JP321]

It feels like in every good Mahle start people complain about the pitch count early and then he still manages to go 6 strong innings.

Agree... but we need guys like him and Luis to go 7 imo. Bullpen needs to be used as little as possible

[coryfly]

It feels like in every good Mahle start people complain about the pitch count early and then he still manages to go 6 strong innings.

Yeah, he at least usually gets to five.

[coryfly]

Lester is definitely getting farther off the edge than Mahle is. Seems that way at least.

Team is so slow.

[KeefeCato]

Stephenson looks like he is running in quicksand.

[Mitri]

It feels like in every good Mahle start people complain about the pitch count early and then he still manages to go 6 strong innings.

It's kind of ridiculous. Mahle has been a top-20 pitcher in baseball this year and all people do is gripe about it.

[KeefeCato]

It's kind of ridiculous. Mahle has been a top-20 pitcher in baseball this year and all people do is gripe about it.

Would be top 10 if he didn't struggle with pitch count though.

[coryfly]

Eh, I like Mahle. He has been quite good this year. Discussing how inefficient he can be at times during a game he is pitching seems reasonable.

[KeefeCato]

Eh, I like Mahle. He has been quite good this year. Discussing how inefficient he can be at times during a game he is pitching seems reasonable.

Yeah every single game he has a 20 plus pitch inning. Without fail. He could be going 7 or even 8 with a 100 pitches if he would just avoid the one inning. Then you use only two relievers instead of four.

[coryfly]

Looks like the same pitch Lester has gotten three times already. Maybe a touch farther out though.

[Mitri]

Would be top 10 if he didn't struggle with pitch count though.

Thanks for proving my point pre and after-post.

[KeefeCato]

Thanks for proving my point pre and after-post.

So you would rather he not improve? His biggest weakness.

[Mitri]

Votto!

[Reds Fanatic]

Votto homers! 2nd place all time for the Reds!

[RedForLife]

JOEY!!!

[coryfly]

Votto! Man, though Bader was going to get it.

[TheBigLebowski]

So posters are now getting angry at other posters for being critical about Mahle’s consistently high pitch counts? Nothing anyone posted is off base or even inaccurate. It’s a legitimate issue for him.

Every one of these game threads devolves into one group of posters who make critical remarks about players (yes, oftentimes baseless) and another group of posters who criticizes the first group. Both of these factions are no stranger to hyperbole and baseless ad hominem attacks. Every night. It’s more predictable than the Reds looking lost against a junk tossing lefty.

[KeefeCato]

I called it.

[Kc61]

I like Mahle as he is. If he starts throwing more in the zone, he will probably allow more runs. He doesn’t give in to hitters. He isn’t afraid to go deep in the count or walk somebody.

Over time, he’ll refine his approach and maybe throw a few less pitches.

[Mitri]

So you would rather he not improve? His biggest weakness.

I'd rather not come here and nitpick our very best players and complain about the smallest problems on a team with problems. Seems counter-productive. I come here to discuss the good and the bad, but sometimes with you new guys it just feels like piling on. It's depressing. Mahle is a damn good pitcher. He's not perfect, but he's better than 90% of the league's starting pitchers.

This place has become miserable.

[Maldez]

I called it.

Bragger

[KeefeCato]

I'd rather not come here and nitpick our very best players and complain about the smallest problems on a team with problems. Seems counter-productive. I come here to discuss the good and the bad, but sometimes with you new guys it just feels like piling out. It's depressing. Mahle is a damn good pitcher. He's not perfect, but he's better than 90% of the league's starting pitchers.

This place is miserable.

Check my posts and see how often I pile on Reds players. Sorry I didn't join in 2004. And I am not piling on Mahle at all. Simply stating he struggles with pitch count. Every person in baseball knows he does.

[coryfly]

I like Mahle as he is. If he starts throwing more in the zone, he will probably allow more runs. He doesn’t give in to hitters. He isn’t afraid to go deep in the count or walk somebody.

Over time, he’ll refine his approach and maybe throw a few less pitches.

Yeah, would certainly prefer he not just toss it right down the middle. I think what he could do is simply miss in a way to generate more swings and misses (or swings to preferred contact) but that is obviously tough against major league hitters.

[Big Klu]

Congratulations to Joey Votto, who has passed legendary Hall of Famer Frank Robinson for second place on the Reds all-time home run list!

#notelite #happybirthday


Updated Reds HR list (players in italics are active):

Reds 100-Home Run Club
1. Johnny Bench - 389
2. Joey Votto - 325
3. Frank Robinson - 324
4. Tony Pérez - 287
5. Adam Dunn - 270
6. Ted Kluszewski - 251
7. George Foster - 244
8. Jay Bruce - 233
9. Ken Griffey, Jr. - 210
10. Eric Davis - 203
11. Barry Larkin - 198
12. Brandon Phillips - 191
13. Vada Pinson - 186
14. Eugenio Suárez - 184
15. Wally Post - 172
16. Gus Bell - 160
17. Joe Morgan - 152
17. Pete Rose - 152
19. Lee May - 147
20. Dan Driessen - 133
21. Reggie Sanders - 125
22. Ernie Lombardi - 120
23. Sean Casey - 118
24. Frank McCormick - 110
25. Todd Frazier - 108
26. Dave Parker - 107
27. Chris Sabo - 104
28. Dave Concepción - 101

[Kinsm]

So posters are now getting angry at other posters for being critical about Mahle’s consistently high pitch counts? Nothing anyone posted is off base or even inaccurate. It’s a legitimate issue for him.

Every one of these game threads devolves into one group of posters who make critical remarks about players (yes, oftentimes baseless) and another group of posters who criticizes the first group. Both of these factions are no stranger to hyperbole and baseless ad hominem attacks. Every night. It’s more predictable than the Reds looking lost against a junk tossing lefty.

So, you are saying RZone game threads are just like the rest of America?

[TheBigLebowski]

Aquino actually worked a very nice AB.

[RedForLife]

So posters are now getting angry at other posters for being critical about Mahle’s consistently high pitch counts? Nothing anyone posted is off base or even inaccurate. It’s a legitimate issue for him.

Every one of these game threads devolves into one group of posters who make critical remarks about players (yes, oftentimes baseless) and another group of posters who criticizes the first group. Both of these factions are no stranger to hyperbole and baseless ad hominem attacks. Every night. It’s more predictable than the Reds looking lost against a junk tossing lefty.

I think Mahle is becoming more and more like Glavine and Maddux. He's becoming better at hitting the edge of the plate, inside or outside. He also throws harder than they did. He's going to have a nice, long career and I hope it's with the Reds!

[Kc61]

Yeah, would certainly prefer he not just toss it right down the middle. I think what he could do is simply miss in a way to generate more swings and misses (or swings to preferred contact) but that is obviously tough against major league hitters.

One thing I hate in pitchers is fear of the walk. Or fear of falling behind in the count.

If Mahle pitches one or two fewer outs due to pitch count, I’m fine with it. His main problem is pitching at GABP, not the deep counts.

[TheBigLebowski]

So, you are saying RZone game threads are just like the rest of America?

Yes. Exactly what it is.

[coryfly]

One thing I hate in pitchers is fear of the walk. Or fear of falling behind in the count.

If Mahle pitches one or two fewer outs due to pitch count, I’m fine with it. His main problem is pitching at GABP, not the deep counts.

Yeah, he really has been incredibly good on the road.

[TheBigLebowski]

Check my posts and see how often I pile on Reds players. Sorry I didn't join in 2004. And I am not piling on Mahle at all. Simply stating he struggles with pitch count. Every person in baseball knows he does.

Doesn’t matter how often you do it or when you joined. Follow rules, say what you want and just ignore the self-appointed post police.

[Ky Fried Redleg]

Joey is going to pass Frank tonight. Book it.

Keefestradamus !!!

[Reds Fanatic]

Molina homers. Tie game

[Red Raindog]

I do not like Molina


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[dakota42]

Well that sucked.

[Tom Servo]

I myself have complained about Mahle’s pitch count, it just it what it is. What I don’t get is why each time it’s treated like “here we go, he’s gonna be done after 4 innings” even when that almost never happens.

[The Operator]

Ugh I hate Yadier Molina

[TheBigLebowski]

I think Mahle is becoming more and more like Glavine and Maddux. He's becoming better at hitting the edge of the plate, inside or outside. He also throws harder than they did. He's going to have a nice, long career and I hope it's with the Reds!

I’d rather have him than not. But he’s been much worse at home, absolutely does have issue with control and a team with a bullpen like ours needs starters who can consistently work into the 7th, thus minimizing our bullpen’s exposure. If we had the Brewers pen, it wouldn’t be such a big issue. We do NOT.

And now he’s tattooed by that human bucket of snot known as Yadier Molina.

[coryfly]

That is where the balls hurt you. If you live behind in the count guys will eventually get you. I am a big believer in winning pitchers getting ahead.

[dakota42]

The walk is what is so frustrating.At least make them hit the ball.

[Kinsm]

Mahle just won't ever change so guess there is no reason to hope he does. Just going to be a dude with average control who throws a thousand pitches an inning and taxes your bullpen most times out.

He's not taxing the bullpen, not any more so than anyone else.

He's averaging 5.5 IP/GS this year, that ranks 54th in the majors out of 123 qualifiers. Only 13 starters in the entire league are averaging 6 or more. He's averaging 1 or 2 less batters than aces per start.

[Kc61]

That is where the balls hurt you. If you live behind in the count guys will eventually get you. I am a big believer in winning pitchers getting ahead.

Mahle does not live behind in the count.

[coryfly]

Other side but that has been a strike all night on the outside corner for their pitcher.

[TheBigLebowski]

Stephenson just did that and was out. Bader hits the exact same dribbler and is safe at first without a throw. These are the little things that generally plague this group.

[coryfly]

Mahle does not live behind in the count.

Right, wasn't trying to say he does, though get it read that way. But he has control problems at times and there his control problems put him behind, which lead to a tie game. In general ABs that hurt seem to be when pitchers get behind.

He certainly gets ahead in the count a ton, which is when people get frustrated with him because he then doesn't put guys away.

[Roy Tucker]

I’ll be really glad when Molina retires.

[Mitri]

Right, wasn't trying to say he does, though get it read that way. But he has control problems at times and there his control problems put him behind, which lead to a tie game. In general ABs that hurt seem to be when pitchers get behind.

He certainly gets ahead in the count a ton, which is when people get frustrated with him because he then doesn't put guys away.

Jesus, just stop already.

[coryfly]

Jesus, just stop already.

Stop what. You have a problem speak up or shut up. You seem to be the one starting things with people.

[NebraskaRed]

The anger level in this game thread is just a little high haha

[RedForLife]

I’d rather have him than not. But he’s been much worse at home, absolutely does have issue with control and a team with a bullpen like ours needs starters who can consistently work into the 7th, thus minimizing our bullpen’s exposure. If we had the Brewers pen, it wouldn’t be such a big issue. We do NOT.

And now he’s tattooed by that human bucket of snot known as Yadier Molina.

Nailed it! If we had a bullpen with a traditional setup man and a traditional closer he'd be a 15-20 game winner (if, as you say, learns how to pitch better at GABP). He can't approach home games the same as those on the road. At GABP, he needs to learn to specialize in lower location with his repertoire of pitches. I just keep hoping we'll find a closer like Eric Gagne. He terrorized hitters for 3 years with the LAD.

[Bob Sheed]

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[coryfly]

Nailed it! If we had a bullpen with a traditional setup man and a traditional closer he'd be a 15-20 game winner (if, as you say, learns how to pitch better at GABP). He can't approach home games the same as those on the road. At GABP, he needs to learn to specialize in lower location with his repertoire of pitches. I just keep hoping we'll find a closer like Eric Gagne. He terrorized hitters for 3 years with the LAD.

And despite all of that he is still a guy with a sub 4 ERA who has been quite valuable for the team. As a guy who wasn't suppose to be your top guy that is pretty solid.

[Kinsm]

The Reds are 17-11 in Mahle's starts this year.

Only 7 starters in the entire majors can say they have more "team" wins in their starts (Urias, Buehler, Wainwright, Scherzer, Gausman, Flexen, and DeSclafani).

[Kc61]

I’d rather have him than not. But he’s been much worse at home, absolutely does have issue with control and a team with a bullpen like ours needs starters who can consistently work into the 7th, thus minimizing our bullpen’s exposure. If we had the Brewers pen, it wouldn’t be such a big issue. We do NOT.

And now he’s tattooed by that human bucket of snot known as Yadier Molina.

The Reds have zero starters who consistently work into the 7th. Miley is just about 6 innings per start on average. Everybody else is less.

[coryfly]

The Reds are 17-11 in Mahle's starts this year.

Only 7 starters in the entire majors can say they have more "team" wins in their starts (Urias, Buehler, Wainwright, Scherzer, Gausman, Flexen, and DeSclafani).

Shows that he never has a lot of those awful games where he gives up 6 or so runs. Was looking at his game logs earlier today and I don't think he even had a game where he allowed more than 4 or 5 runs.

I think some of us just think he could potentially be dominant, which is kind of a fan thing I guess. Ragging on his pitch count was just kind of a running thing I thought. Didn't realize people got so defensive about it tbh. My bad.

And just like Tom said, he has settled down and should easily get through six, lol.

[TheBigLebowski]

DeShields: 2-15 since joining CIN
Cabrera: 0-8 since joining CIN.

Probably a little worse than we expected.

Barrero: 2-13 in his ML at bats. Hopefully he’s only here until Farmer returns.

Akiyama is .199 ytd in 156 ABs.

Aquino is .195 ytd with 9 HR. 150 ABs.

We have a lot of bad hitters on this bench.

[RedForLife]

And despite all of that he is still a guy with a sub 4 ERA who has been quite valuable for the team. As a guy who wasn't suppose to be your top guy that is pretty solid.

Yes! He's a keeper! He is only going to get better.

[DocRed]

This team sucks

[Kinsm]

Stat of the night:

367 players have started a game this year - an average of 12.23 per team. The Reds have only had to use 8, and 2 of the 8 have combined for just 6 starts this year.

[TheBigLebowski]

The Reds have zero starters who consistently work into the 7th. Miley is just about 6 innings per start on average. Everybody else is less.

Yeah. And we’ve lost a lot of games because of that. I don’t know what the ML average is and I don’t need to know. This team either needs a better pen or guys who can go deeper in games. Mahle is not alone in this assessment.

[TheBigLebowski]

Nailed it! If we had a bullpen with a traditional setup man and a traditional closer he'd be a 15-20 game winner (if, as you say, learns how to pitch better at GABP). He can't approach home games the same as those on the road. At GABP, he needs to learn to specialize in lower location with his repertoire of pitches. I just keep hoping we'll find a closer like Eric Gagne. He terrorized hitters for 3 years with the LAD.

We probably need to start looking harder.

[coryfly]

DeShields: 2-15 since joining CIN
Cabrera: 0-8 since joining CIN.

Probably a little worse than we expected.

Barrero: 2-13 in his ML at bats. Hopefully he’s only here until Farmer returns.

Akiyama is .199 ytd in 156 ABs.

Aquino is .195 ytd with 9 HR. 150 ABs.

We have a lot of bad hitters on this bench.

Yeah, right now the issue is clearly the offense. Without Winker they just seem kind of lifeless.

[Kinsm]

Barrero: 2-13 in his ML at bats. Hopefully he’s only here until Farmer returns.
.

Go away

Farmer is hitting .233 - .257 - .357 since August 1st. 31 year old journeyman with one good month in his entire big league career.

[RedForLife]

DeShields: 2-15 since joining CIN
Cabrera: 0-8 since joining CIN.

Probably a little worse than we expected.

Barrero: 2-13 in his ML at bats. Hopefully he’s only here until Farmer returns.

Akiyama is .199 ytd in 156 ABs.

Aquino is .195 ytd with 9 HR. 150 ABs.

We have a lot of bad hitters on this bench.

I hate referencing 2020 because I consider that a throwaway year (Covid-19) but, Akiyama did smack the ball fairly well down the stretch. And he has done an above average job on defense. If I was in the FO this offseason, I'd dump Senzel, Moustakas and Aquino for superior relief pitching. Eugenio will (and has lately) come out of his funk and be a Reds force again.

[DocRed]

Offense...out to lunch again

[Kinsm]

Yeah. And we’ve lost a lot of games because of that. I don’t know what the ML average is and I don’t need to know. This team either needs a better pen or guys who can go deeper in games. Mahle is not alone in this assessment.

I'll correct Kc's post....not a single team in the majors has a guy who regularly works into the 7th. The pen being crap is not Mahle's fault.

[Ky Fried Redleg]

We have a plethora of really bad hitters.

[JP321]

The offense has zero life. It doesn't matter what pitching does at this point. Until the 8 guys in field start mashing again, we are toast

[Roy Tucker]

Offense...out to lunch again

Ham and Swiss on rye. Brown mustard. Side of chips. And a pickle please.

And cold draft beer.

[TheBigLebowski]

6.1 IP 1 ER last start, 6 IP 2 ER this start. And he may be coming back out.

[Patrick Bateman]

The anger level in this game thread is just a little high haha

Kinda understandable. This recent stretch where they could have ran away with the wc spot has been incredibly frustrating.


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[Kinsm]

We have a plethora of really bad hitters.

They desperately need a healthy Winker in this lineup.

[TheBigLebowski]

I'll correct Kc's post....not a single team in the majors has a guy who regularly works into the 7th. The pen being crap is not Mahle's fault.

No. Obviously not.

[coryfly]

Last two innings have been Mahle's best probably. Just need the offense to wake up.

[Roy Tucker]

Kinda understandable. This recent stretch where they could have ran away with the wc spot has been incredibly frustrating.


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Such is the lot of a baseball fan.

[RedForLife]

Go away

Farmer is hitting .233 - .257 - .357 since August 1st. 31 year old journeyman with one good month in his entire big league career.

But, he has had several clutch hits. And he's 30, not 31. As far as I'm concerned, he's been pretty consistent and has made several great plays on defense. I'm quite happy with Farmer at SS. Big name phenoms and big name FA's don't mean sh*t to me. He's been way above admirable.

[Mitri]

But, he has had several clutch hits. And he's 30, not 31. As far as I'm concerned, he's been pretty consistent and has made several great plays on defense. I'm quite happy with Farmer at SS. Big name phenoms and big name FA's don't mean sh*t to me. He's been way above admirable.

Farmer has been a fine fill-in. It's time for Barrero to take over.

[coryfly]

Not much to show for it but some solid ABs for Aquino.

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I like Farmer but am all in on Barrero getting more time. Think they need to start giving some of these younger talented guys the chance to really play.

[Kinsm]

But, he has had several clutch hits. And he's 30, not 31. As far as I'm concerned, he's been pretty consistent and has made several great plays on defense. I'm quite happy with Farmer at SS. Big name phenoms and big name FA's don't mean sh*t to me. He's been way above admirable.

He's 31 and he's a terrible hitter in a terrible lineup.

[Kinsm]

Mahle's night is over, his IP/GS average ticks up just a smidge.

[DocRed]

Asdrubal...do something for ONCE

[Patrick Bateman]

But, he has had several clutch hits. And he's 30, not 31. As far as I'm concerned, he's been pretty consistent and has made several great plays on defense. I'm quite happy with Farmer at SS. Big name phenoms and big name FA's don't mean sh*t to me. He's been way above admirable.

It’s irrelevant, but factually he’s 31.


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[Kinsm]

Reds strand the rook.

[coryfly]

The last couple of signings have not really paid off at all.

[DocRed]

So much for that...

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We gonna lose...again

[Gunner44]

Why does Cabrera stand 5 feet from the plate? Any pitcher with a pulse will pitch him outside. Good idea Bell.

[JP321]

Usually helps if you don't try and pull every pitch you swing at. The opposite side of field is legal to use

[TheBigLebowski]

Cabrera is terrible.

[Ky Fried Redleg]

Why does Cabrera stand 5 feet from the plate? Any pitcher with a pulse will pitch him outside. Good idea Bell.

I was thinking the same thing. I don't see how ever gets to any pitch on the outer part of the plate.

[DocRed]

Cabrera is terrible.
Fat old and useless...

[Kinsm]

So much for that...

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We gonna lose...again

Get back here, this isn't over!

17680

[Roy Tucker]

Fat old and useless...

You are just a ray of sunshine.

[Ky Fried Redleg]

Usually helps if you don't try and pull every pitch you swing at. The opposite side of field is legal to use

Is Zinter being negligent in his duties or are his students giving him the palm?

[KeefeCato]

Please don't get beat by a Nootbaar.

[NebraskaRed]

Fat old and useless...

https://frinkiac.com/meme/S08E08/812377.jpg?b64lines=IEhFWSwgSEVZLCBJIE1BWSBCRSBVR0 xZCiBBTkQgSEFURS1GSUxMRUQsIEJVVCBJLAogVU0uLi4gV0hB VCBXQVMgVEhFIFRISVJECiBUSElORyBZT1UgU0FJRD8=

[GADawg]

is Nootbaar related to Tootblan

[TheBigLebowski]

Fat old and useless...

I loved the pickup when it was made. Looks like there was a reason no one else wanted him. They need to jettison him and find another lotto ticket or just keep Barrero here. Cabrera adds nothing.

[KeefeCato]

Nootbaar is not happy.

[Mitri]

Cabrera is terrible.

They should just cut bait when Farmer returns. Rather have Barrero.

[KeefeCato]

I loved the pickup when it was made. Looks like there was a reason no one else wanted him. They need to jettison him and find another lotto ticket or just keep Barrero here. Cabrera adds nothing.

Hopefully once Farmer returns. Brach goes. You don't need 9 relievers with all the off days the rest of the season.

[Ky Fried Redleg]

I wish Sims had pitched the 10th against the Cubs on Wed. instead of Candyman Brach.

[GADawg]

I wish Sims had pitched the 10th against the Cubs on Wed. instead of Candyman Brach.

Brach has had a day of rest....just sayin'

[coryfly]

Hopefully once Farmer returns. Brach goes. You don't need 9 relievers with all the off days the rest of the season.

Yeah, didn't understand why he was ever called up anyway.

[KeefeCato]

Would be a good idea to score here. I hope Cessa in the 8th. But I bet it is Biceps instead.

[RedForLife]

Brach has had a day of rest....just sayin'

I'd rather we'd kept Doolittle than Brach.

[GADawg]

I'd rather we'd kept Doolittle than Brach.

if Bell tells him to go out there maybe he'll refuse

[Kinsm]

Hopefully once Farmer returns. Brach goes. You don't need 9 relievers with all the off days the rest of the season.

Hopefully they cut Brach and bring up Moreta or Sanmartin.

both those guys have to have their contracts purchased when the WS ends, just do it now.

[KeefeCato]

Can add Stephenson to the many Reds that are slumping.

[GADawg]

Can add Stephenson to the many Reds that are slumping.

i think he grabbed the fungo by mistake

[TheBigLebowski]

Hopefully once Farmer returns. Brach goes.

This is all you needed to say. Could have opted for more brevity and just said Brach goes.

[RedForLife]

It’s irrelevant, but factually he’s 31.


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Yup, as of Aug. 17, he's 31. My bad. I still like him. He's a gamer.

[TheBigLebowski]

Can add Stephenson to the many Reds that are slumping.

The list of Reds who aren’t is far more exclusive

[The Operator]

How on earth is that a strike

[RedForLife]

He's 31 and he's a terrible hitter in a terrible lineup.

We have the possibility of having a great lineup. That belongs to the manager.

[DocRed]

God damn..F888 these clueless F888ing UMPS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[TheBigLebowski]

Not sure why Votto is doing the Tommy Boy “Fat Guy in a Little Coat” routine, but I like it.

[RedForLife]

The last couple of signings have not really paid off at all.

Akiyama is more productive than they have been. Plus, he's been awesome in centerfield.

[Roy Tucker]

Barrero is smooth.

[Ky Fried Redleg]

Me thinks Doc is mad.... :)

[TheBigLebowski]

Akiyama is more productive than they have been. Plus, he's been awesome in centerfield.

If we feel Akiyama is a better option, the season is officially over.

[RedForLife]

That was 1990 nasty!

[The Operator]

Ah crap

[dakota42]

Hope that doesn't come back to haunt us.:(

[RedForLife]

If we feel Akiyama is a better option, the season is officially over.

If we feel Barrero is a better option, the season is officially over.

[DocRed]

Nice error by Barrero...

[Roy Tucker]

Barrero is smooth.

The kiss of death.

[DocRed]

2 run HR coming up

[KeefeCato]

A rookie SS who hasn't been up but a handful of games this year. In a playoff push. Maybe this is why the Reds choose to stick with Farmer.

[Ky Fried Redleg]

The last five letters in our shortstop's name can be arranged to form the word "error."

[George Foster]

A rookie SS who hasn't been up but a handful of games this year. In a playoff push. Maybe this is why the Reds choose to stick with Farmer.

This all day long!!!

[coryfly]

Very encouraging from Lorenzen.

[Kc61]

Barrero is going to knock in the run to win this.

[Tom Servo]

score a run

[NebraskaRed]

With Farmer out on paternity leave, who else did you all want at SS? Geno?

[The Operator]

Molina damn near throw it into the outfield but they snag Shogo at second for the fielder’s choice.

Ugh

[Tony Cloninger]

Goodbye offense. It’s been nice. Hope you find some more hits tonight.

[Kinsm]

A rookie SS who hasn't been up but a handful of games this year. In a playoff push. Maybe this is why the Reds choose to stick with Farmer.

The Reds chose to stick with Farmer because he hit .650 in a 5 week span and hoped that he could keep some of that up.

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Barrero knocks in Aquino!!!!

[Kinsm]

Yeah Jose!!!!

[The Operator]

Barrero!!!!

3-2 Reds!!!!!

[Kc61]

Barrero is going to knock in the run to win this.

Told ya.

[Reds Fanatic]

Huge hit for Barrero!!! 3-2 Reds

[Red Raindog]

That was great Jose


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[Mitri]

Incredible AB by Barrero. My man!!!

[RedForLife]

Way to go Jose!
And great hustle by Aquino!

[coryfly]

Offense! Runs!

[George Foster]

[QUOTE=Kinsm;4330341]The Reds chose to stick with Farmer because he hit .650 in a 5 week span and hoped that he could keep some of that up.

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Barrero knocks in Aquino!!!![/QUOTE

Made up for the error...

[Roy Tucker]

Nice.

[Mitri]

Barrero sporting a Jamie Tartt headband?

[M2]

JOSE BARRERO!

I'm prepared for him to be terrorizing MLB in a Reds uniform for the rest of this decade.

[Kc61]

Have to get the fly ball now.

[TheBigLebowski]

Thank you BARRERO

[George Foster]

Have to get the fly ball now.

He can do it!!

[Kinsm]

JOSE BARRERO!

I'm prepared for him to be terrorizing MLB in a Reds uniform for the rest of this decade.

I'll settle for a moderately successful 2022 starting at SS.

[Kc61]

Deshields, two strikes, don’t strike out.

Do not strike out.

[Roy Tucker]

Let’s get this other run in.

[George Foster]

Can't strand him,!!

[Kinsm]

Barrero is safe!

[Reds Fanatic]

Barrero beats the throw home! 4-2

[The Operator]

Safe at home!!!


4-2 Reds!!!!

[NebraskaRed]

yes!

[Mitri]

Barrero can just do things Kyle Farmer can't. Sorry but it's true.

[Mutaman]

Barrero is going to knock in the run to win this.

kudos

[Roy Tucker]

Nice slide.

[The Operator]

Man that was a brilliant slide by Barrero

[RedForLife]

Gotta love hustle! Go Reds!

[M2]

I'll settle for a moderately successful 2022 starting at SS.

I just want the Reds to crush their enemies. See them driven before us. And to hear the lamentations of their women.

[JCM11]

Great slide by Barrero he brings much needed athleticism to the team.

[JP321]

Big 9th for Barrero!!!

[Ky Fried Redleg]

I hear ya, Keefe. Let's go!!! Let's do this!!! I feel that our SS is going to contribute tonight as well.

Said it before the game started ... Will somebody please call me KENTUCKY FRIEDSTRADAMUS ????!!!!

[George Foster]

We really need this...

[The Operator]

And Moose gets doubled up.

But we have a lead!

[TheBigLebowski]

Gosh that turned me on

[Kinsm]

Come on bullpen - Do Your Job!

[KeefeCato]

I'll settle for a moderately successful 2022 starting at SS.

He has a shot to be great. Not good. Not league average. But Great.

[M2]

Gotta love hustle! Go Reds!

That isn't hustle. That's speed.

[coryfly]

Feel great for the young man. What a great ninth on offense.

[JP321]

If DeShields doesn't steal that is a hit for Moose.

But we have a lead, now Givens needs to finish it off

[TheBigLebowski]

I just want the Reds to crush their enemies. See them driven before us. And to hear the lamentations of their women.

And eat not but the finest meats and cheeses in a clubhouse feast - Kenny Mayne

[Kinsm]

I just want the Reds to crush their enemies. See them driven before us. And to hear the lamentations of their women.

If they crushed their enemies they'd have no one to play the rest of the season. Just a bruised rib or bloody eye every series will do.

[George Foster]

Make sure you hat and glasses are properly secure. Buckle up.

[KeefeCato]

I do think in his first few seasons like all young SS with great range he will make a ton of errors. You live with that though if your the Reds.

[Mitri]

Votto's greeting to Barrero as he entered the dugout after his hit/run - priceless (and almost bringing me to tears).

[George Foster]

I do think in his first few seasons like all young SS with great range he will make a ton of errors. You live with that though if your the Reds.

If he hits....

[TheBigLebowski]

These MLB Network commercials are the worst thing mankind has produced since the flowbee.

[The Operator]

1 down!

[Kinsm]

M2, do you think Conan could cut a ball in half swinging his sword or would he whiff?

[Larry Schuler]

“The Reds season is over”
“The Cards are going to pass them by”
“There’s no hope”

What if I told you that all we needed to do to help the Reds win is believe in them?

[Kinsm]

These MLB Network commercials are the worst thing mankind has produced since the flowbee.

You jonesing for some JTM commercials?

[The Operator]

Damn

[Reds Fanatic]

Carlson with a 1 out hit

[KeefeCato]

If he hits....

I think he will hit. Maybe not right away over a full season. But he has star written all over him. I still see why they choose to go with the veteran steady fielding SS the rest of the year though.

[George Foster]

I think he will hit. Maybe not right away over a full season. But he has star written all over him. I still see why they choose to go with the veteran steady fielding SS the rest of the year though.

I totally agree. He's the SS of next year and the future... just not now.

[Reds Fanatic]

DeJong flies out. 2 outs

[The Operator]

I think he will hit. Maybe not right away over a full season. But he has star written all over him. I still see why they choose to go with the veteran steady fielding SS the rest of the year though.
There’s something about him that reminds me of Lindor.

Obviously that’s an incredibly high bar and not a realistic expectation. But he obviously has lots of talent.

[Ron Madden]

One More Out!!!

[KeefeCato]

Aquino is scary in the OF. He looks nervous catching a routine fly ball.

[Mitri]

I think he will hit. Maybe not right away over a full season. But he has star written all over him. I still see why they choose to go with the veteran steady fielding SS the rest of the year though.

Agree with the first part. But Barrero just sort of Pipped Farmer. At least I hope. Not as 100% starter, but he should be here to stay and it's been made evident this fine evening.