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Ron Madden
09-14-2021, 02:49 PM
Reds
1. Jonathan India (R) 2B
2. Kyle Farmer (R) SS
3. Nick Castellanos (R) RF
4. Joey Votto (L) 1B
5. Eugenio Suarez (R) 3B
6. Aristides Aquino (R) LF
7. Delino DeShields (R) CF
8. Tucker Barnhart (L) C
9. Wade Miley (L) P

Pirates
1. Ke'Bryan Hayes (R) 3B
2. Kevin Newman (R) SS
3. Bryan Reynolds (S) CF
4. Yoshi Tsutsugo (L) 1B
5. Jacob Stallings (R) C
6. Anthony Alford (R) LF
7. Ben Gamel (L) RF
8. Wilmer Difo (S) 2B
9. Dillon Peters (L) P

OldFashionedRed
09-14-2021, 03:30 PM
At least Bell's acknowledging the black hole at the bottom of the lineup, and lumping the offenders together. I think it's a good idea. Today should be an opportunity for Suarez to drive in some runners.

Ky Fried Redleg
09-14-2021, 03:32 PM
The Reds really need to win 7 of the 9 left with the Pirates. Back when Votto was doing superhuman things and carrying the team on his back, I would have said 7 of 9 would be very likely. Not so sure now. Not so coincidentally, when Joseph came back to Earth so did the Reds. The Cardinals got a reprieve gifted to them by the Reds over the weekend. They seem to have some momentum. Hopefully, it won't last long. Cardinals usually do Cardinals' things this time of year and make a run to the postseason. It would be a shame if they did it again. Time to wake up and get serious, Redlegs!!! It starts tonight!!!

jwdoc77
09-14-2021, 03:55 PM
Is Stephenson banged up or is this just Barnhart always catches Miley? Would prefer Stephensons bat in the lineup.


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mhs95_06
09-14-2021, 04:14 PM
Is Stephenson banged up or is this just Barnhart always catches Miley? Would prefer Stephensons bat in the lineup.


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Me too, especially against the lefty. But the C position is the one that carries the least weight for a good bat to be in the starting line-up.

Tom Servo
09-14-2021, 04:16 PM
Stephenson has been slumping pretty badly despite ample playing time against LHP lately, he's hitting just .231/.322/.269 with 0 HRs over his last 20 games.

Alf_Red_E
09-14-2021, 04:29 PM
I looked at the standings, did a little math in my head and sure enough, today is the biggest game of the season.

DocRed
09-14-2021, 04:43 PM
It's sad that we don't have a better option than DeShields. That's 3 position players with sub .190 batting averages...and Miley has a better batting average than all 3!

OldFashionedRed
09-14-2021, 04:48 PM
Me too, especially against the lefty. But the C position is the one that carries the least weight for a good bat to be in the starting line-up.

Not in this offense. Stephenson is a very important bat.

KeefeCato
09-14-2021, 04:53 PM
It's sad that we don't have a better option than DeShields. That's 3 position players with sub .190 batting averages...and Miley has a better batting average than all 3!

I guess that tells us that Inciarte's career is pretty much done. Or the Reds at least thought he was. Of course DeShields spot would have gone to Senzel but looks like he will never play anything close to a full season.

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Not in this offense. Stephenson is a very important bat.

Barnhart is Miley's personal catcher.

Cadenza
09-14-2021, 05:09 PM
You think he can raise his batting average to 180?

KeefeCato
09-14-2021, 05:09 PM
They need to win at least 6 of 9 against the Pirates. Peters is beyond horrible. Hopefully he is just what the DR. Ordered to get the bats in gear. Maybe the day off helped as well.

cumberlandreds
09-14-2021, 05:16 PM
They need to win at least 6 of 9 against the Pirates. Peters is beyond horrible. Hopefully he is just what the DR. Ordered to get the bats in gear. Maybe the day off helped as well.

I agree with that 6 of 9. Then three of four against the Nats. One against the Dodgers and Chisox will get them into the playoff.

Larkin Fan
09-14-2021, 05:36 PM
Not in this offense. Stephenson is a very important bat.

The pitcher is pretty important too. Barnhart is Miley's guy and that's exactly who should be catching when he's on the mound.

Tony Cloninger
09-14-2021, 05:41 PM
Someone needs to get into a wrestling match in the clubhouse. Votto vs Zinter maybe. Then they can go on a nice 10 game winning streak.

Ron Madden
09-14-2021, 05:54 PM
The Pirates lineup has been added to the original post

Larry Schuler
09-14-2021, 06:00 PM
The Pirates lineup has been added to the original post

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3. Bad To Decent
4. Guys Who
5. Might End
6. Up Winning
7. Today And
8. Tomorrow Or
9. Thursday Too

mhs95_06
09-14-2021, 06:13 PM
I'm thinking one of the 5 teams in the chase is going to play .650 to .750 over the last 15-22 games to win the WC. StL has already won all 3 of their last 22.

KeefeCato
09-14-2021, 06:15 PM
Someone needs to get into a wrestling match in the clubhouse. Votto vs Zinter maybe. Then they can go on a nice 10 game winning streak.

Or Garrett vs. Bell. Playing off of Dibble vs. Lou. That fight would for sure get them a 10 or hell maybe they might win out. Because they need fire in there belly.
Need to stop this fraternizing with opponent's. Need to stop smiling when losing. Sparky and Lou or Bench or Rose would have knocked out Castillo cold.
I know this cause I read it on here. Maybe we need Garrett can knock out Bell. Takeover making out the lineup. Cause Barnhart never needs to play again. Neither does Farmer. Votto slumping so he needs benched. DFA SHOGO,AQUINO MOST OF THE BULLPEN SUAREZ, Moose either needs to diet or be cut loose. Cabrera cut him as well.
Bring up rookies from Louisville in this WC chase because they can't possibly be worse.
I think I have covered everything that I have read on here. Oh lets not forget bring up Lopez aka Shogo part 2 aka DeSheilds part 3.

OldFashionedRed
09-14-2021, 06:33 PM
The pitcher is pretty important too. Barnhart is Miley's guy and that's exactly who should be catching when he's on the mound.

In this instance, yes. Miley has done well with Barnhart behind the plate, some of the other starters have done significantly better with Stephenson back there. And there's no denying that Stephenson has the better bat. Since the Reds did well against the Pirates the last time Miley was on the mound, it makes sense to go with Barnhart for pitching purposes. For offense purposes, no way, and the thing hurting this club the most is the inability to produce runs.

Red Raindog
09-14-2021, 06:40 PM
That was easy for Peters


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NebraskaRed
09-14-2021, 06:42 PM
When's the last time the Reds scored a run in the first inning?

JP321
09-14-2021, 06:45 PM
The Reds look like a team that is going through the motions. I don't believe they have quit or anything like that, but the recent bad play can make you look like this. They need a big spark from someone to get this thing rolling again

HammerTime
09-14-2021, 06:46 PM
When's the last time the Reds scored a run in the first inning?

Last Tuesday...

NebraskaRed
09-14-2021, 06:47 PM
Reds are losing again

Red Raindog
09-14-2021, 06:49 PM
I’ve seen this movie before


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TheBigLebowski
09-14-2021, 06:49 PM
It’s time we just put this group out of its misery. A modified form of euthanasia. They’re miserable and I’m quite sure most of us are as well.

dakota42
09-14-2021, 06:49 PM
Now Miley is pitching like crap.Just great.

RedsFanInMS
09-14-2021, 06:50 PM
This is just depressing. Every fricking game get behind and then cant score any runs. I'm about done this year. Fricking pathetic.

Ky Fried Redleg
09-14-2021, 06:50 PM
Someone needs to get into a wrestling match in the clubhouse. Votto vs Zinter maybe. Then they can go on a nice 10 game winning streak.

Right. Something.... anything... other than "aw shucks, we tried, let's get 'em tomorrow."

NebraskaRed
09-14-2021, 06:50 PM
Then Geno does that.

JP321
09-14-2021, 06:50 PM
This is really bad folks... real bad

NebraskaRed
09-14-2021, 06:51 PM
I'm just really hoping that the top of the 2nd isn't the Reds swinging weakly at the first pitch for quick ground outs.

757690
09-14-2021, 06:51 PM
So when does the easy part of the schedule start?

dakota42
09-14-2021, 06:52 PM
I'm afraid this team has just quit.

NebraskaRed
09-14-2021, 06:53 PM
That was a god awful inning.

Sassy Sal
09-14-2021, 06:53 PM
I think the excessive crowd noise must be getting to them. This is bad.

TheBigLebowski
09-14-2021, 06:53 PM
Baseball’s weird but you can’t file this swan dive in that folder. This is epic. Beyond the sport. 25 people simultaneously forgetting how to do anything other than reek of death’s rotting scent. They’re done.

mhs95_06
09-14-2021, 06:53 PM
Great pick-off play by Miley and great job by Farmer to jump n and get the out quick to keep the runner at 3rd with 2 outs, then it has gone down hill from there with 3 runs. Looks like we may need the Pirates new hitting coach!

NebraskaRed
09-14-2021, 06:53 PM
I think the excessive crowd noise must be getting to them. This is bad.

Sounds like one of last year's games.

RedsFanInMS
09-14-2021, 06:54 PM
This is the nail in the coffin. After that Cubs series I half heartedly stated that I hope we just finish over .500. At this point Im not sure we do.

Joeyjection19
09-14-2021, 06:55 PM
It feels appropriate that MLB.TV plays a ton of cologuard commercials during Reds broadcasts later this year.

JP321
09-14-2021, 06:56 PM
The Reds haven't quit.. let's be real. They just look like a team that is fighting themselves to get to the finish line. When it rains it pours, and right now the Reds feel they have a monsoon over them

Ky Fried Redleg
09-14-2021, 06:57 PM
Even if this one doesn't go our way, don't fret; we'll get 'em tomorrow. LOL

Coopdaddy67
09-14-2021, 06:57 PM
It's the 2nd inning. Everybody relax.

Tom Servo
09-14-2021, 06:57 PM
I'm afraid this team has just quit.
I’m sure they are trying, they’re apparently just not good enough to finish off a successful season.

mhs95_06
09-14-2021, 06:59 PM
This is just depressing. Every fricking game get behind and then cant score any runs. I'm about done this year. Fricking pathetic.

Reds are leading a pack of 5 teams within 3.5 games of each other for the last wild card spot with 18 games left, and you are about done? Not much of a fan!

NebraskaRed
09-14-2021, 06:59 PM
I wish someone could tabulate the number of times people have said "they're done" or "season's over" in all of the game threads this year.

I'd just really be curious to see what that number is.

Ky Fried Redleg
09-14-2021, 06:59 PM
It's the 2nd inning. Everybody relax.

If mid April I would agree with you.

Tom Servo
09-14-2021, 07:02 PM
I wish someone could tabulate the number of times people have said "they're done" or "season's over" in all of the game threads this year.

I'd just really be curious to see what that number is.
Over 9000.

That said, while it’s still a sign of weak constitution, I do get the reaction tonight. That one inning from the Pirates offense so far looked better than the overwhelming majority of Reds offensive innings we’ve seen over the last three weeks now.

dakota42
09-14-2021, 07:02 PM
I guess Clayton Kershaw is pitching against us tonight.:bang:

wally post
09-14-2021, 07:02 PM
Ugh... If they lose tonight, Bell better throw a bunch of bats into the shower. "Lollygagers!!

Or something.

Sassy Sal
09-14-2021, 07:02 PM
I wish someone could tabulate the number of times people have said "they're done" or "season's over" in all of the game threads this year.

I'd just really be curious to see what that number is.

Or in the past 20 years would be even more interesting.

mhs95_06
09-14-2021, 07:03 PM
Even if this one doesn't go our way, don't fret; we'll get 'em tomorrow. LOL

Correct! And they'd be no more than a half game back tomorrow, still in reasonable position.

NebraskaRed
09-14-2021, 07:04 PM
Over 9000.

That said, while it’s still a sign of weak constitution, I do get the reaction tonight. That one inning from the Pirates offense so far looked better than the overwhelming majority of Reds offensive innings we’ve seen over the last three weeks now.

Oh, I get negativity. I'm posting some negative stuff myself. It's the "the end of the world is here" stuff that is just ridiculous.

dakota42
09-14-2021, 07:04 PM
Correct! And they'd be no more than a half game back tomorrow, still in reasonable position.It's good the other teams suck as bad as the Reds do.

RedsFanInMS
09-14-2021, 07:04 PM
Reds are leading a pack of 5 teams within 3.5 games of each other for the last wild card spot with 1 games left, and you are about done? Not much of a fan!

I've been a Reds fan for 43 years. I love these bastards. It just makes me sick to my stomach to see us blowing a chance at the playoffs which doesn't come around much. Don't question my Reds fandom.

coryfly
09-14-2021, 07:04 PM
Really thought a Miley start against the Pirates was the one thing to count on. Team just does not look good.

coryfly
09-14-2021, 07:05 PM
I've been a Reds fan for 43 years. I love these bastards. It just makes me sick to my stomach to see us blowing a chance at the playoffs which doesn't come around much. Don't question my Reds fandom.

I think that is a lot of it. So many seasons the playoffs aren't an option. It's been that way for years. This year they have a legit shot and look terrible. Just seem to crumble under pressure.

BluegrassRedleg
09-14-2021, 07:07 PM
This is simply a pathetic organization, and it's been that way for almost all of a quarter of a century. It's not changing without new ownership at the top and leadership down the line, people who have pride in the product, and a deep desire to win. You can't go out there with Eugenio Suarez starting a game and BATTING FIFTH ffs when your season is on life support. Wouldn't happen in STL, an organization that's going to sneak into this year's playoffs due to this CIN team's incompetence.

Larry Schuler
09-14-2021, 07:08 PM
Bad teams get excited to knock out teams that are in the playoffs. They might have a little more sharp focus and energy than the Reds' tired, bone-weak bodies that just want to make it to the end of the month alive.

Ky Fried Redleg
09-14-2021, 07:08 PM
Correct! And they'd be no more than a half game back tomorrow, still in reasonable position.

Neat...

dakota42
09-14-2021, 07:11 PM
I know Winker is terrific but is the offense really this horrid without him?

JohnnyBench5
09-14-2021, 07:11 PM
Go Redlegs!...

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Tom Servo
09-14-2021, 07:11 PM
Neat...
I’m not so optimistic but it’s a viewpoint that makes a lot more sense than the “this is an EMBARRASSMENT TO BASEBALL and I’ve wasted my life watching this pathetic organization. btw see you tomorrow” stuff.

NebraskaRed
09-14-2021, 07:12 PM
Neat...

What is it that you want? Do you want to accept the reality of where they are right now or just be really mad about it all the time?

JohnnyBench5
09-14-2021, 07:13 PM
It's sad that we don't have a better option than DeShields. That's 3 position players with sub .190 batting averages...and Miley has a better batting average than all 3!No wonder we suck....3 players starting batting under .190.

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Kc61
09-14-2021, 07:13 PM
I know Winker is terrific but is the offense really this horrid without him?

Winker hasn’t hit lefties this year. His absence isn’t the difference tonight.

DocRed
09-14-2021, 07:15 PM
This team is playing like garbage...no offense to actual garbage

NebraskaRed
09-14-2021, 07:16 PM
You'd think the Reds would realize that swinging at every single pitch has not been working for them all month.

coryfly
09-14-2021, 07:17 PM
39 pitches to completely shut them out through 3 innings.

Monster Man
09-14-2021, 07:17 PM
Lifeless offense, you wouldn’t know they’re in a race for a wildcard spot.

Ky Fried Redleg
09-14-2021, 07:22 PM
Ugh... If they lose tonight, Bell better throw a bunch of bats into the shower. "Lollygagers!!

Or something.

That, or maybe just something like, "These type of performances are totally unacceptable in this organization. I expect better from these players. Win or lose, we ARE going to play with more focus, with a greater sense of urgency and with greater energy. We WILL play these games like they matter, because they do. I won't tolerate anything less!!!"

Kc61
09-14-2021, 07:23 PM
Reds have fourth worst OPS against lefties in MLB.

The problem against lefties is that Reds can’t hit lefties.

They don’t need a speech. They need more players who can hit lefties.

KeefeCato
09-14-2021, 07:24 PM
Winker hasn’t hit lefties this year. His absence isn’t the difference tonight.

Careful you will get attacked by some on here for saying he should be platooned. Even though the career numbers say he should be. Problem is they have no good RH bat to platoon with him on this years team. A RH bat or two for the bench next season is a need behind CF and bullpen.

Ky Fried Redleg
09-14-2021, 07:25 PM
Reds have fourth worst OPS against lefties in MLB.

The problem against lefties is that Reds can’t hit lefties.

They don’t need a speech. They need more players who can hit lefties.

They need both.

NebraskaRed
09-14-2021, 07:26 PM
Cast was swinging at every single thing.

KeefeCato
09-14-2021, 07:27 PM
Ugh... If they lose tonight, Bell better throw a bunch of bats into the shower. "Lollygagers!!

Or something.

I hear Bell did tell Votto he was a lolly gager but Votto said coach I am running at my top speed.

REDREAD
09-14-2021, 07:28 PM
I don't get this discussion sadak is having about "Winker being LH But..."
It's not that complicated.. Winker is a lot better than Aquino, even vs LH pitching.

NebraskaRed
09-14-2021, 07:28 PM
Nice double there

Tom Servo
09-14-2021, 07:29 PM
I don't get this discussion sadak is having about "Winker being LH But..."
It's not that complicated.. Winker is a lot better than Aquino, even vs LH pitching.
Statistically speaking that is not true of 2021. Aquino .787 OPS against LH pitching, Winker .572. Sadak's right.

NebraskaRed
09-14-2021, 07:31 PM
Regardless of the out come, Geno has shown discipline in both ABs while most of the team has not.

Kc61
09-14-2021, 07:31 PM
They need both.

The only speech Reds need is the hitting coach reminding them of fundamentals. Like hitting oppo and being patient.

NebraskaRed
09-14-2021, 07:31 PM
And he gets on base both times.

Red Raindog
09-14-2021, 07:32 PM
Statistically speaking that is not true of 2021. Aquino .787 OPS against LH pitching, Winker .572. Sadak's right.

But I would still rather have Winker in LF

Not much expectation of good AB from Aquino coming from me


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Red Raindog
09-14-2021, 07:34 PM
Ump blew it


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NebraskaRed
09-14-2021, 07:34 PM
That strike 2 call...

coryfly
09-14-2021, 07:34 PM
That is just an embarrassing strike call. Eventually baseball has to hold these umpires accountable and only allow competent ones behind the plate.

Red Buckeye
09-14-2021, 07:35 PM
That is just an embarrassing strike call. Eventually baseball has to hold these umpires accountable and only allow competent ones behind the plate.


Or maybe finally have a robot ump call strikes and balls.

Playadlc
09-14-2021, 07:36 PM
They just can not get a big hit.

Man this is frustrating.

mhs95_06
09-14-2021, 07:36 PM
As soon as he got the 2nd strike on an inside fastball called that was well off the plate, AA was set-up for the K if he could throw a good change-up, which he did. that tied his career high in Ks in a game on the 2nd out in the 4th inning.

JP321
09-14-2021, 07:37 PM
Nothing is going right... nothing

Monster Man
09-14-2021, 07:38 PM
That is just an embarrassing strike call. Eventually baseball has to hold these umpires accountable and only allow competent ones behind the plate.

It won’t happen, lousy umpires are protected by their union.

Tom Servo
09-14-2021, 07:38 PM
Dillon Peters.

mhs95_06
09-14-2021, 07:39 PM
Regardless of the out come, Geno has shown discipline in both ABs while most of the team has not.

AA did until he got the bad call. And bad calls tend to make you less disciplined and wary of how the calls will go.

REDREAD
09-14-2021, 07:42 PM
Statistically speaking that is not true of 2021. Aquino .787 OPS against LH pitching, Winker .572. Sadak's right.

I guess I will disagree. Aquino has a good slugging percentage because every once in awhile he will hit a HR, but he's a strikeout machine and a poor OBP.
Winker has struggled against LH pitching, but I would still rather have him in the lineup instead of Aquino.
Look at what just happened now.. 2 guys on base, Aquino swings at ball 4 on a 3-1 count. Even Mr Sadak got frustrated at that.
If you want to go by pure 2021 OPS, I can understand that.. it's a valid argument. IMO, Winker is just a better player, better eye for the strike zone.
I know Winker's career numbers vs LH pitching are bad too.. In fact, I am sure Aquino has a better career OPS vs LH pitching, but I would still put Winker in.

OldFashionedRed
09-14-2021, 07:44 PM
Reminds me. I need to check on my tv dinner. It's been done for awhile.

I would like to see a new manager next season, one who stresses fundamentals, sacrificing for your teammates,100% effort, pulling guys from lineup when the show a habit of taking third strikes. One who identify a lineup that works, and then sticking to that lineup. Bell doesn't check off any of those things.

Red Raindog
09-14-2021, 07:44 PM
In the immortal words of Jack Brickhouse

Snake bit


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JFLegal
09-14-2021, 07:45 PM
wow, the 2021 reds will always be remembered for choking down the stretch ... against really bad teams.

coryfly
09-14-2021, 07:46 PM
Good job by Miley there.

Mutaman
09-14-2021, 07:47 PM
The only speech Reds need is the hitting coach reminding them of fundamentals. Like hitting oppo and being patient.

Reds don't hit
Blame the hitting coach
Fire the hitting coach
Hire new hitting coach
Eat. Sleep. Conquer. Repeat.

NebraskaRed
09-14-2021, 07:48 PM
Good job by Miley there

Ky Fried Redleg
09-14-2021, 07:48 PM
Reminds me. I need to check on my tv dinner. It's been done for awhile.

I would like to see a new manager next season, one who stresses fundamentals, sacrificing for your teammates,100% effort, pulling guys from lineup when the show a habit of taking third strikes. One who identify a lineup that works, and then sticking to that lineup. Bell doesn't check off any of those things.

Good post. This team is so fundamentally unsound. Unfortunately, Bell's going nowhere.

coryfly
09-14-2021, 07:48 PM
wow, the 2021 reds will always be remembered for choking down the stretch ... against really bad teams.

Choked in the playoffs last year (though it was kind of the fake playoffs for them anyway) as well. Just a team that doesn't seem to be able to perform under pressure.

Mutaman
09-14-2021, 07:49 PM
In the immortal words of Jack Brickhouse

Snake bit


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Hey Hey Hey

Sassy Sal
09-14-2021, 07:49 PM
Might be time to call the motivational speaker from The Natural. Losing is a disease. Like syphilis or gonorrhea.

Tom Servo
09-14-2021, 07:50 PM
I guess I will disagree. Aquino has a good slugging percentage because every once in awhile he will hit a HR, but he's a strikeout machine and a poor OBP.
Winker has struggled against LH pitching, but I would still rather have him in the lineup instead of Aquino.
Look at what just happened now.. 2 guys on base, Aquino swings at ball 4 on a 3-1 count. Even Mr Sadak got frustrated at that.
If you want to go by pure 2021 OPS, I can understand that.. it's a valid argument. IMO, Winker is just a better player, better eye for the strike zone.
I know Winker's career numbers vs LH pitching are bad too.. In fact, I am sure Aquino has a better career OPS vs LH pitching, but I would still put Winker in.
I'd probably play Winker too, just saying I don't think it's patently ridiculous for Sadak or anyone to suggest Aquino getting more playing time against LH over Winker.

Strikes Out Looking
09-14-2021, 07:52 PM
Meanwhile the Phillies are up and the Mets are beating the Cardinals. Not that it seems to matter, except for draft positions in 2022.

NebraskaRed
09-14-2021, 07:52 PM
Tucker is just purely guessing up there.

Tom Servo
09-14-2021, 07:53 PM
Those games a few weeks ago against the Pirates where the Reds would put up crooked numbers on them like it was routine feel like a lifetime ago.

RedTeamGo!
09-14-2021, 07:53 PM
Goodness this team sucks right now. Just an absolute choke job.

Roy Tucker
09-14-2021, 07:54 PM
This game put me to sleep.

RedTeamGo!
09-14-2021, 07:54 PM
Might be time to call the motivational speaker from The Natural. Losing is a disease. Like syphilis or gonorrhea.

At least you have fun catching STDs

Ky Fried Redleg
09-14-2021, 07:54 PM
Choked in the playoffs last year (though it was kind of the fake playoffs for them anyway) as well. Just a team that doesn't seem to be able to perform under pressure.

I just don't get the feel that it is so much choking under pressure as it is just the Law of Large Numbers catching up to them. Over 162 game season, you tend to wind up settling in at just who you are. Who the Reds are is a .500 team plus or minus 3 games.

OldFashionedRed
09-14-2021, 07:55 PM
One of the biggest weaknesses this club has is no depth on the bench. That means no repercussions.

NC Reds
09-14-2021, 07:55 PM
Those games a few weeks ago against the Pirates where the Reds would put up crooked numbers on them like it was routine feel like a lifetime ago.

I was at that four game series in August. This team bears no resemblance.

SomeCallMeTim
09-14-2021, 07:56 PM
Once we ruled the WC seas, now…

https://media2.giphy.com/media/o0eOCNkn7cSD6/giphy.gif

RedsFanInMS
09-14-2021, 07:56 PM
20 straight innings without a run. When you run out three hitters plus your pitcher hitting in the .100's this will happen.

OldFashionedRed
09-14-2021, 07:57 PM
I was at that four game series in August. This team bears no resemblance.

How many of us would feel motivated by a POSSIBLE wildcard berth? These guys appear to just be going through the motions.

Tom Servo
09-14-2021, 07:57 PM
20 straight innings without a run. When you run out three hitters plus your pitcher hitting in the .100's this will happen.
This kind of talk just lets everyone else off the hook. None of them are capable of popping a homer? None of them can get a single after another guy doubles? It's a team-wide effort, not just 3 guys.

JFLegal
09-14-2021, 07:57 PM
farmer is the man i mean lol

Tom Servo
09-14-2021, 07:58 PM
How many of us would feel motivated by a POSSIBLE wildcard berth? These guys appear to just be going through the motions.
Yeah they should let US play!

NebraskaRed
09-14-2021, 07:58 PM
farmer is the man i mean

Farmer read this between pitches and decided to single

DocRed
09-14-2021, 07:58 PM
Screw all umps..they are WORTHLESS FAT*SS IMBECILES FIRE THEM ALL

Red Raindog
09-14-2021, 08:00 PM
Baseball gods need a sacrifice


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JFLegal
09-14-2021, 08:00 PM
Farmer read this between pitches and decided to single

you're welcome

dakota42
09-14-2021, 08:00 PM
LOL.Even when they hit it hard it's an out.

Reds Fanatic
09-14-2021, 08:00 PM
Awful now 20 straight scoreless innings

Roy Tucker
09-14-2021, 08:00 PM
That’s emblematic of the Reds’ luck. Oi vey.

JFLegal
09-14-2021, 08:00 PM
can the reds salvage a series win here against this great pittsburgh team?

BluegrassRedleg
09-14-2021, 08:00 PM
These guys haven't put three or four hits together in what feels like three or four weeks.

Roy Tucker
09-14-2021, 08:01 PM
If it weren’t for bad luck, I’d have no luck at all

DocRed
09-14-2021, 08:03 PM
This offense is Choke City...

mhs95_06
09-14-2021, 08:04 PM
Farmer read this between pitches and decided to single

I think he read that the second baseman had moved to the right of 2B once he had 2 strikes and SS moved more toward 2B, then hit it in the 5.5 hole. Then Castellanos hit it in the 5.5 hole and the third baseman was right there to grab his head high liner for the 3rd out.

Kc61
09-14-2021, 08:09 PM
Wade needs to throw a DP grounder here.

REDREAD
09-14-2021, 08:10 PM
well, that sucked :(

coryfly
09-14-2021, 08:10 PM
Well, that was a DP grounder but not with that players set up there.

NC Reds
09-14-2021, 08:10 PM
gO redZ

Red Raindog
09-14-2021, 08:11 PM
Man oh man this one has now gotten away


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DocRed
09-14-2021, 08:11 PM
Hot Garbage...this team is awful. NOT a playoff team...accept it already

dakota42
09-14-2021, 08:11 PM
Wade Miley is garbage tonight.

Mitri
09-14-2021, 08:11 PM
LOL, this team is awful right now. Worst they've looked all season.

RiverfrontRed
09-14-2021, 08:11 PM
This is getting embarrassing. And this righty/lefty strategy works better when you don't have 3 players in the lineup hitting .175 in September.

Tom Servo
09-14-2021, 08:12 PM
Alright the winning streak starts tomorrow. Again. For real.

Coopdaddy67
09-14-2021, 08:12 PM
In positive news, the Cards are down 0-2 to the Mets.

Powel Crosley
09-14-2021, 08:12 PM
This isn't ideal.

Red Raindog
09-14-2021, 08:12 PM
The recent ineptitude against lefties is mind numbing


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JP321
09-14-2021, 08:12 PM
Think the magic ride may be over fellas. Votto and Nick aren't hitting, and the cast of role players aren't picking up the slack. May just be a heartbreak of a September at this point

Roy Tucker
09-14-2021, 08:13 PM
Number of games left is dwindling.

Sassy Sal
09-14-2021, 08:13 PM
Wow. This is turning out even worse than I imagined. They are really screwing the pooch.

Kc61
09-14-2021, 08:13 PM
Aquino may be ok in RF. But he can’t play LF.

And his great arm is inaccurate and doesn’t result in outs.

Seems like a nice guy, has had some good homers, one great streak in 2019, talented, maybe just needs a change in scenery. I’d prefer somebody else next season.

REDREAD
09-14-2021, 08:13 PM
I'd probably play Winker too, just saying I don't think it's patently ridiculous for Sadak or anyone to suggest Aquino getting more playing time against LH over Winker.

Ok, I see what you mean.

Oh , to be fair to Sadak, he ddn't mention Aquino.
He was talking about how even though Winker is LH, you can put him in there, a RH reliever might come in later (and maybe something else)
My point was that (IMO) Winker > Aquino.
I didn't mean to misrepresent what Sadak said..

Roy Tucker
09-14-2021, 08:14 PM
Playing like a bunch of lollygaggers

Strikes Out Looking
09-14-2021, 08:15 PM
Ok, I see what you mean.

Oh , to be fair to Sadak, he ddn't mention Aquino.
He was talking about how even though Winker is LH, you can put him in there, a RH reliever might come in later (and maybe something else)
My point was that (IMO) Winker > Aquino.
I didn't mean to misrepresent what Sadak said..

I would have had Winker in the starting lineup tonight. But what do I know (I do believe in my heart that I (and many on here) are smarter than Reds ownership and management).

BCubb2003
09-14-2021, 08:15 PM
Playing like a bunch of lollygaggers

Time to throw the bats in the shower.

DocRed
09-14-2021, 08:16 PM
Flat out Garbage baseball for the last 2 weeks. This teams has no one to blame but themselves. Add to that a below average manager and an incompetent GM and abysmally terrible owner.

KeefeCato
09-14-2021, 08:16 PM
I still say Aquino will be sold to Japan and hit 60 and be a hero over there.

Tom Servo
09-14-2021, 08:17 PM
As brutal as this has been it is worth noting it's really only relevant because of the far worse collapse by San Diego.

Monster Man
09-14-2021, 08:18 PM
I’m thinking this team has hit rock bottom with this pathetic “effort”.

KeefeCato
09-14-2021, 08:18 PM
As brutal as this has been it is worth noting it's really only relevant because of the far worse collapse by San Diego.

Yeah I don't think S.D. has any shot at all. I haven't for a long while. Cardinals probably wins the WC.

Roy Tucker
09-14-2021, 08:18 PM
Flat out Garbage baseball for the last 2 weeks. This teams has no one to blame but themselves. Add to that a below average manager and an incompetent GM and abysmally terrible owner.

Besides all that, they aren’t too bad.

JFLegal
09-14-2021, 08:19 PM
what this team lacks in grit they make up for by choking. against really bad teams no less.

TheBigLebowski
09-14-2021, 08:20 PM
Good Gracious this team is awful.

wally post
09-14-2021, 08:20 PM
I still say Aquino will be sold to Japan and hit 60 and be a hero over there.

Maybe make a deal with Shogo attached?

Roy Tucker
09-14-2021, 08:21 PM
That’s a bizarre Carvana commercial.

wally post
09-14-2021, 08:23 PM
Cards tied at 2 with Mets and Stroman pitching

JP321
09-14-2021, 08:23 PM
We are in the home stretch, and maybe they just ran out of gas. The whole team is playing bad right now. So it's not like some of the reserves are costing us. Our stars aren't producing either. I don't know, I could be wrong, but I refuse to believe they don't want to make playoffs. The boys are trying, its just not happening

Roy Tucker
09-14-2021, 08:24 PM
Time to throw the bats in the shower.

Or slump busters.

Jomama
09-14-2021, 08:24 PM
Cardinals have tied it up with the Mets.

Tom Servo
09-14-2021, 08:24 PM
Yeah I don't think S.D. has any shot at all. I haven't for a long while. Cardinals probably wins the WC.
Everyone keeps saying that but I don’t see what they’ve done that’s so impressive, they beat us 2 out of 3 (albeit twice) just like the Marlins and Cubs and Tigers and everyone else has for weeks now. Otherwise they haven’t exactly been racking up wins, and they’ve got a lot of games left with the Brewers.

I think the Phillies have the best path but they’re like us, unable to rise above mediocrity.

OldFashionedRed
09-14-2021, 08:26 PM
Flat out Garbage baseball for the last 2 weeks. This teams has no one to blame but themselves. Add to that a below average manager and an incompetent GM and abysmally terrible owner.

Well said. Not a thing could be argued.

dakota42
09-14-2021, 08:26 PM
It's going to suck if the Cardinals make the Wild Card.They are such *****es.

Kc61
09-14-2021, 08:27 PM
Everyone keeps saying that but I don’t see what they’ve done that’s so impressive, they beat us 2 out of 3 (albeit twice) just like the Marlins and Cubs and Tigers and everyone else has for weeks now. Otherwise they haven’t exactly been racking up wins, and they’ve got a lot of games left with the Brewers.

I think the Phillies have the best path but they’re like us, unable to rise above mediocrity.

I thought Phils too. Except the Cards finish with 14 against the Cubs and Brewers. And the Brewers have nothing to play for except resting for playoffs.

Kc61
09-14-2021, 08:32 PM
Reds have the bases loaded, one out.

The one out is an Aquino strike out.

Barnhart up.

Maybe they can do something.

mhs95_06
09-14-2021, 08:33 PM
Reds have the bases loaded, one out.

The one out is an Aquino strike out.

Barnhart up.

Maybe they can do something.

Looked like AA didn't swing at strike 3 because he thought it was a change-up!

Roy Tucker
09-14-2021, 08:33 PM
Barnhart swinging at pitches he’ll never hit

OldFashionedRed
09-14-2021, 08:34 PM
Looked like AA didn't swing at strike 3 because he thought it was a change-up!

If it's in the strike zone you swing at it. All of the best hitters seem to be able to do that, so it's a thing.

Kc61
09-14-2021, 08:35 PM
Barnhart swinging at pitches he’ll never hit

At least he can foul them off.

A number of Reds would be sitting for several minutes.

coryfly
09-14-2021, 08:35 PM
Barnhart puts some runs on the board.

Red Raindog
09-14-2021, 08:35 PM
No shut out!


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REDREAD
09-14-2021, 08:36 PM
Ok, there's 2 back :)

Playadlc
09-14-2021, 08:36 PM
Rally!!!!

OldFashionedRed
09-14-2021, 08:36 PM
We are in the home stretch, and maybe they just ran out of gas. The whole team is playing bad right now. So it's not like some of the reserves are costing us. Our stars aren't producing either. I don't know, I could be wrong, but I refuse to believe they don't want to make playoffs. The boys are trying, its just not happening

I don't think they ran out of gas. Some guys just came back down to where their trending numbers say they should be, and they still have a manager who throws darts at a board when making out the lineup card.

BCubb2003
09-14-2021, 08:36 PM
Tucker has the heart of a barn.

Kc61
09-14-2021, 08:36 PM
Barnhart puts some runs on the board.

Contact is good.

coryfly
09-14-2021, 08:36 PM
No idea why the Pirates brought in a right handed pitcher. That was pretty dumb.

Playadlc
09-14-2021, 08:36 PM
A Moose bomb would be ideal here.

Roy Tucker
09-14-2021, 08:36 PM
Barnhart battles hard and bloops in a couple runs.

Kc61
09-14-2021, 08:38 PM
Moose singles, bases loaded, India up.

coryfly
09-14-2021, 08:40 PM
Well, could have been worse. At least a run got home.

mhs95_06
09-14-2021, 08:41 PM
Too bad Suarez couldn't have read a couple other plays that well! Like getting to 3rd on an earlier hit by DeShields to put 2 in scoring position, getting back to third on the throw from catcher on what turned out to be a foul ball, and be ready to get a throw off to first for a DP on the throw to him from Miley on the fair bunt.

Reds Fanatic
09-14-2021, 08:41 PM
Big hit by Farmer. 6-4

Playadlc
09-14-2021, 08:41 PM
Huge!! Back in it.

Roy Tucker
09-14-2021, 08:42 PM
Ground ball by India that I thought was a DP but India hustles it out.

Kc61
09-14-2021, 08:42 PM
Contact is good. Like I said.

Red Raindog
09-14-2021, 08:42 PM
I thought India would score


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coryfly
09-14-2021, 08:42 PM
India needs to stop looking at the ball with two outs there. That is just bad fundamental baserunning.

DocRed
09-14-2021, 08:42 PM
Aquino sucks...DFA his A88 already

Roy Tucker
09-14-2021, 08:42 PM
Time for Nick to park one.

JP321
09-14-2021, 08:44 PM
Nick looks so bad hitting

Coopdaddy67
09-14-2021, 08:46 PM
India needs to stop looking at the ball with two outs there. That is just bad fundamental baserunning.

He had to know where it's going. If the RF fields it on a hop, he's gunned at 3B.

Reds Fanatic
09-14-2021, 08:47 PM
So Farmer leaves in a double switch and Suarez moves to short yes that will work well

OldFashionedRed
09-14-2021, 08:47 PM
Has a club EVER prevented a player from attending games in the dugout, due to not being able to trade said player away (bad contract), and wanting more of a winning spirit around the guys?

mhs95_06
09-14-2021, 08:51 PM
Good job by India flying down to 1B to beat the DP to get a run and keep the inning alive for more! On the original view, i thought he was out, and in slow motion with the throw 15' from first I still thought that, but he was really flying and did beat it, WOW!

Tony Cloninger
09-14-2021, 08:53 PM
Right. Something.... anything... other than "aw shucks, we tried, let's get 'em tomorrow."

I’m speaking sarcasm but sure why not. Desperate times. Is this the last of act of a desperate man?!

Tony Cloninger
09-14-2021, 08:55 PM
Hot Garbage...this team is awful. NOT a playoff team...accept it already


I’ve got nowhere else to go!!

coryfly
09-14-2021, 08:56 PM
He had to know where it's going. If the RF fields it on a hop, he's gunned at 3B.

I suppose but we always watched the third base coach for that. That guy sucks in right and doubt he can throw out India there regardless. I see what you mean though.

MrRedSkull
09-14-2021, 08:56 PM
So Farmer leaves in a double switch and Suarez moves to short yes that will work well

These constant, unnecessary moves are what really drive me nuts about Bell. What logic is there in sitting Farmer for Suarez? Why is Aquino still in the game? Why does he have to make multiple double switches every game? These moves are why the Reds routinely run short of players by the 8th inning & get stuck with defensive replacements hitting in key situations. In most cases I don’t think a manager really plays that big of a role in winning & losing. But, I see Bell’s fingerprints all over several losses due to his incessant micromanaging.

coryfly
09-14-2021, 08:57 PM
Good job by India flying down to 1B to beat the DP to get a run and keep the inning alive for more! On the original view, i thought he was out, and in slow motion with the throw 15' from first I still thought that, but he was really flying and did beat it, WOW!

Yeah, thought he was out as well. India almost always seems to give it his all. He really has been a great surprise this year along with Stephenson.

coryfly
09-14-2021, 08:59 PM
Left hander shuts them down. Maybe they will run out of them.

Monster Man
09-14-2021, 08:59 PM
Once again, Sadak getting excited about a routine fly ball.

Roy Tucker
09-14-2021, 08:59 PM
Seeing the name Shreve reminds me of Bob Shreve and the Schoenling All-Night Theater.

coryfly
09-14-2021, 09:01 PM
These constant, unnecessary moves are what really drive me nuts about Bell. What logic is there in sitting Farmer for Suarez? Why is Aquino still in the game? Why does he have to make multiple double switches every game? These moves are why the Reds routinely run short of players by the 8th inning & get stuck with defensive replacements hitting in key situations. In most cases I don’t think a manager really plays that big of a role in winning & losing. But, I see Bell’s fingerprints all over several losses due to his incessant micromanaging.

I think he is awful but never thought they should have hired him so probably just look for bad decisions to reinforce my opinion, lol. He has never really been successful anywhere though so not sure why he was considered a good hire. Awful fundamentals, no accountability, bad lineups, subpar decision making in the clutch, etc... All things he is directly responsible for.

Coopdaddy67
09-14-2021, 09:01 PM
I suppose but we always watched the third base coach for that. That guy sucks in right and doubt he can throw out India there regardless. I see what you mean though.

It was right in front of India. Much harder for a 3B coach to judge from his angle. In that situation you can't get thrown out, so you're going to be more conservative.

coryfly
09-14-2021, 09:02 PM
Another strike called a ball.

coryfly
09-14-2021, 09:04 PM
It was right in front of India. Much harder for a 3B coach to judge from his angle. In that situation you can't get thrown out, so you're going to be more conservative.

Yeah, I see what you mean.



Cessa has been really good so far.

KeefeCato
09-14-2021, 09:07 PM
Yeah, I see what you mean.



Cessa has been really good so far.

Cessa has been better than I thought he would be.

coryfly
09-14-2021, 09:08 PM
Would prefer to let Schrock hit and then PH Tyler.

KeefeCato
09-14-2021, 09:09 PM
The 9th inning guy for the Pirates has been very solid. They need to score right now.

Tony Cloninger
09-14-2021, 09:11 PM
So Larry Rothschild was not the issue with the Padres pitching after all. They’re pitching has gotten a lot worse since he left.

Coopdaddy67
09-14-2021, 09:12 PM
Conforto sac fly, 3-2 Mets.

DocRed
09-14-2021, 09:14 PM
Awful and pathetic...

REDREAD
09-14-2021, 09:17 PM
Typical day in the wild card race: Reds, Phils, and Cards all losing :lol:

gagliano
09-14-2021, 09:17 PM
Ugh... If they lose tonight, Bell better throw a bunch of bats into the shower. "Lollygagers!!

Or something.

"That's it! No more mr. Nice guy! From here on out, no more post game pizza!"

KeefeCato
09-14-2021, 09:19 PM
Typical day in the wild card race: Reds, Phils, and Cards all losing :lol:

Whoever wins this WC if by some miracle they win the one game playoff. They are going to get waxed next round. None of the teams are deserving of a playoff spot right now.

mhs95_06
09-14-2021, 09:20 PM
Who would be the C if Stephenson got hot a bit over to the left?

Roy Tucker
09-14-2021, 09:21 PM
Difo looks about 4’2”

NC Reds
09-14-2021, 09:23 PM
Good job Amir.

Rally time!

coryfly
09-14-2021, 09:23 PM
Dang, Miley has to feel bad when even Garrett strikes out the side.

Red Raindog
09-14-2021, 09:23 PM
Got to admit I was cringing at Amir


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mhs95_06
09-14-2021, 09:24 PM
Dang, Miley has to feel bad when even Garrett strikes out the side.

Garrett has the stuff if he could just control it, and himself!

mhs95_06
09-14-2021, 09:28 PM
The call on that fastball for strike 2, made a that 4th pitch a killer for the K on India!

JFLegal
09-14-2021, 09:30 PM
golden corral cabrera. how is he even on a team?

NC Reds
09-14-2021, 09:32 PM
Coincidence or not, we’ve been a far worse team since Shogo was banished to the doghouse.

Cabrera has added nothing.

Roy Tucker
09-14-2021, 09:32 PM
Dang.

DocRed
09-14-2021, 09:32 PM
Cut Asdrubal already...he is fat and old and useless.

Reds Fanatic
09-14-2021, 09:32 PM
Cabrera just missed getting a hit and then flies out to the track

Tom Servo
09-14-2021, 09:32 PM
great AB and then out at the wall lol, of course

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Cut Asdrubal already...he is fat and old and useless.
That’s a mirror.

Reds Fanatic
09-14-2021, 09:33 PM
Castellanos homers

Tom Servo
09-14-2021, 09:33 PM
lol of course

Roy Tucker
09-14-2021, 09:33 PM
I figured that would happen. Castellanos homers with nobody on.

coryfly
09-14-2021, 09:33 PM
Castellanos going deep. Just needed one guy on.

Red Raindog
09-14-2021, 09:33 PM
Joey please


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mhs95_06
09-14-2021, 09:33 PM
I think Asdrubal is ready to get a hit next time! Pirate announcers were saying they needed to face Castellanos up with 2 out!

BluegrassRedleg
09-14-2021, 09:35 PM
Of course. LOL


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Tom Servo
09-14-2021, 09:36 PM
Storming back from down 6-0 to lose 6-5…that’s Red.

mhs95_06
09-14-2021, 09:36 PM
Votto jumped too much at the 2-1 pitch he wishes he had back!

Roy Tucker
09-14-2021, 09:36 PM
Bah.

JFLegal
09-14-2021, 09:36 PM
reds going full choke show against bad teams.

DocRed
09-14-2021, 09:36 PM
Another loss...by a pathetic team