9-19-21 Reds vs Dodgers 1:10pm

[Ron Madden]

Reds
1. Jonathan India (R) 2B
2. Kyle Farmer (R) SS
3. Nick Castellanos (R) RF
4. Tyler Stephenson (R) 1B
5. Eugenio Suarez (R) 3B
6. Aristides Aquino (R) LF
7. Jose Barrero (R) CF
8. Tucker Barnhart (L) C
9. Wade Miley (L) P


Dodgers
1. Mookie Betts (R) RF
2. Trea Turner (R) 2B
3. Justin Turner (R) 3B
4. Albert Pujols (R) 1B
5. Corey Seager (L) SS
6. Will Smith (R) C
7. Chris Taylor (R) CF
8. Gavin Lux (L) LF
9. Clayton Kershaw (L) P

[KeefeCato]

Go Reds.

[Kc61]

Interesting lineups in matchup of LHPs. Barnhart, who catches Miley, only lefty hitter other than pitcher. Votto out against Kershaw. Barrero in CF to get another RH bat in the lineup. No DeShields. Cards with Pujois against Reds’ lefty, hitting cleanup.

[Mitri]

Barrero/Friedl platoon in CF, my Bingo card is complete.

[Wonderful Monds]

Got my monkey paw wish granted on more Barrero in the lineup

[KeefeCato]

Barrero/Friedl platoon in CF, my Bingo card is complete.

At this point they have to do that. DeSheilds is nothing more than a pinch runner/defensive replacement.

[KeefeCato]

What does Friedl project to be? 4A, Major league bench fringe ztarter/platoon player or a starter?

[Ironman92]

Good luck today….too much to get done

[Tom Servo]

What does Friedl project to be? 4A, Major league bench fringe ztarter/platoon player or a starter?
Hopefully a solid bench player, he doesn’t have much pop but he’s got speed.

[Ky Fried Redleg]

Must win today, hope for a Cardinals' loss, and then win three against Pittsburgh to have any reasonable hope of getting back in this thing.

[cumberlandreds]

Really an uphill battle now with Winker apparently gone for the season. Have to hope for the best and a miracle or three.

This is really a patchwork lineup. But you have to do those things when you have injuries and a black hole at third base.

[DocRed]

If it's a must win then you will be disappointed

[mhs95_06]

Betts and T. Turner combined have hit about .550 against Miley, so first two in the line-up will be critical.

[Ky Fried Redleg]

If it's a must win then you will be disappointed

What's up Doc? Yes, you're probably right. With the Cards on the verge of putting us four back in the loss column with 12 to go, this one today feels like a must win. A must win game against Kershaw. Daunting. Bell has to treat this one like a one game WC.

[mhs95_06]

Geno gets a great hop, but can't get a grip on it right away and only gets one out with J. Turner running.

[Cadenza]

Tough to win with reds hitters having holes in their bats. Suarez actually most times swings like he doesn’t even have a bat in his hands. He broke the Mendoza line for playing a full season. For those who don’t know what the Mendoza line is he was a shortstop who played in the 70’s and his career batting average was approx. 200. Since then no one has approached his batting average until Suarez came along and actually shattered Mendozza’s record. imagine how far ahead of the Cardinals the Reds would be if Suarez even had one half of what he usually hits. I am not even going into his fielding because that has been so terrible this year. Sad sad way to end the season.
And Castillo has proven to be a dud having the most losses in the majors this year. If he even had a 500 record Reds would be ahead of the Cardinals.

[mhs95_06]

Nice pick-off by Miley, but India brought on the rhubarb by poor execution of the rundown by throwing it prematurely! Umps got it correct in the end.

[wlf WV]

Ughhh. Just when I think we have a little better defense at third base. Wade Miley stays unshaken.

[Mitri]

Will Smith is really good.

[mhs95_06]

Then a classic 1st row GABP HR to LF is only worth one run.

[Kc61]

I guess folks are watching football, game thread not too active. Dodgers get a Will Smith HR and go ahead 1-0. Could have been worse but a Miley pickoff.

I wonder if Wade is starting to tire this season, he’s up around his normal full season (since 2016, anyway) innings number.

Very tough trio for Reds to face this weekend, maybe they can manage a few runs coming up.

[Alabama Red]

Miley getting crushed.

[Kc61]

3-0 on Lux homer. This task is going from uphill to Herculean.

[mhs95_06]

Now a 2 run front row job to RF, lined into the wind. LF was way up in helping wind. 4 straight hits against Miley. 3-0.

[Mitri]

Ugh, 3-0 Dodgers.

Fun season but this team is missing the last little oomph to make it in, and probably a few doses of oomph to actually win a playoff series.

[KeefeCato]

I guess folks are watching football, game thread not too active. Dodgers get a Will Smith HR and go ahead 1-0. Could have been worse but a Miley pickoff.

I wonder if Wade is starting to tire this season, he’s up around his normal full season (since 2016, anyway) innings number.

Very tough trio for Reds to face this weekend, maybe they can manage a few runs coming up.

Yeah, I know Dodgers have a great lineup. But I was thinking same thing. Miley might be running out of gas.

[KeefeCato]

I could be wrong. But in many instances I think the Dodgers manipulate the IL with there pitchers to keep them fresh. Again not saying most don't have legitimate injuries. But they are so deep i have thought for a few years now if they have a player with the slightest of injury they IL them immediately. Keeps pitchers more fresh for postseason.

[Kc61]

Kershaw against Aquino is one of the overmatches of the decade. At least the way AA has been going lately.

[Powder River]

My god… I am so tired of watching Suarez and Aquino at the plate. Just really, really bad stuff.

I know this has been said all too often…. I am frustrated…. Being a Reds fan…. Big sigh

[Alabama Red]

Kershaw against Aquino is one of the overmatches of the decade. At least the way AA has been going lately.

AA just isn’t an MLB caliber player. It’s time to move on from him.

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Ballgame

[Powder River]

Might be time to take Miley out

[Big Klu]

Yeah, I know Dodgers have a great lineup. But I was thinking same thing. Miley might be running out of gas.

Tommy Thrall mentioned that Miley has a history of running out of gas in September.

[RedForLife]

Dodger hitters are seeing beach balls. Sheesh!

[Big Klu]

3-0 on Lux homer. This task is going from uphill to Herculean.

Not Herculean, but Sisyphean.

[Ky Fried Redleg]

AA just isn’t an MLB caliber player. It’s time to move on from him.

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Ballgame

I agree. I've seen more than enough of him.

[REDREAD]

5-0 LA now, not sure I am going to invest much more of my Sunday in this game :(

[Kc61]

My god… I am so tired of watching Suarez and Aquino at the plate. Just really, really bad stuff.

I know this has been said all too often…. I am frustrated…. Being a Reds fan…. Big sigh

I find Suarez frustrating. He’s fallen so far at a relatively young age. Don’t really get that one.

Aquino isn’t frustrating, he just lacks the hit tool. We’ve seen others like him, tantalizing potential, but doesn’t work out. Reds will need to move on.

[Alabama Red]

5-0 LA now, not sure I am going to invest much more of my Sunday in this game :(

I’m with you on that.

[KeefeCato]

Tommy Thrall mentioned that Miley has a history of running out of gas in September.

This is why I don't get some of the posters here wanting the starters going deeper in games. 60 games last year. Reds lead mlb in starters going 6 or more innings since the all star break. This could be a big factor in Miley collapse.
For a huge part of the season the Brewers even went to a 6 man rotation.

[REDREAD]

LA with a 92% win expectancy now, I think it's time to get those mini blinds hung.
Good luck guys. I admire you if you are sticking this one out.

[Powder River]

It’s hard for me understand why the bullpen wasn’t warming in the second inning. Is Bell already punting? Get em tomorrow, I guess, huh David?

[Ky Fried Redleg]

I love the Reds but this collapse over the last month has left me mystified and despondent. Leaves me wondering if I will ever see another postseason series win.

[Kc61]

It’s hard for me understand why the bullpen wasn’t warming in the second inning. Is Bell already punting? Get em tomorrow, I guess, huh David?

Bell is being realistic.

[Roy Tucker]

Checking in here to hopefully see some good news. But, alas…

[mhs95_06]

It’s hard for me understand why the bullpen wasn’t warming in the second inning. Is Bell already punting? Get em tomorrow, I guess, huh David?

Some said winning 1 of 3 with LA was enough! I guess they didn't count on the Cards not losing for over a week!

[Big Klu]

I find Suarez frustrating. He’s fallen so far at a relatively young age. Don’t really get that one.

Aquino isn’t frustrating, he just lacks the hit tool. We’ve seen others like him, tantalizing potential, but doesn’t work out. Reds will need to move on.

Aquino is Rolando Roomes 2.0.

19-year-old Big Klu had high hopes that the former Jamaican cricket player could become Eric Davis Lite, but he just couldn't make enough contact. Aquino is similar to Roomes in having tantalizing physical tools, but he just doesn't have the essential baseball skills.

[Kc61]

Some said winning 1 of 3 with LA was enough! I guess they didn't count on the Cards not losing for over a week!

It’s not “enough” but Reds faced a daunting task against this Dodger pitching trio.

Not sure any team has faced a tougher trio of starting pitchers.

Bad timing, but they didn’t get swept, still have an outside chance for WC, keep the pen rested for Pirates.

[Ky Fried Redleg]

Some said winning 1 of 3 with LA was enough! I guess they didn't count on the Cards not losing for over a week!

I did. That's why I said they needed at least two of these. When the Cardinals are given a lifeline in September, they have a history of taking advantage. They've earned their playoff spot if they get it. I hate to admit it (I mean HATE to admit it) but the Cards organization has been better than the Reds for a long time now.

[gagliano]

What's up Doc? Yes, you're probably right. With the Cards on the verge of putting us four back in the loss column with 12 to go, this one today feels like a must win. A must win game against Kershaw. Daunting. Bell has to treat this one like a one game WC.

It's a must win for the reds so my giants can whittle their magic numbet down again.

[OldFashionedRed]

I bet Miley was livid on the mound today.

[jhc2010]

Sam Lecure joining the booth. Time to change the channel to TBS to watch the game there.

[BCubb2003]

Not Herculean, but Sisyphean.

All we have is Aristides, a mere mortal.

[TheBigLebowski]

This just about does it.

I hope this team looks very different next year.

[OldFashionedRed]

This just about does it.

I hope this team looks very different next year.

I'm probably wrong here, but I think it's going to look very different. The culture is just wrong right now.

[Jomama]

Cardinals jump out 5-0 on the Padres in the bottom of the 1st inning.

[Big Klu]

Congratulations to T.J. Friedl on his first big-league hit and home run!

[Cadenza]

Cardinals jump out 5-0 on the Padres in the bottom of the 1st inning.
Padres gave it up also.

[Jomama]

Hopefully a solid bench player, he doesn’t have much pop but he’s got speed.

Like clockwork, Friedl homers...LOL.

[KeefeCato]

In his 2nd career AB Freidl does something Shogo still hasn't done.

[Big Klu]

Wasn't Friedl the somewhat highly regarded college player who went undrafted because nobody in MLB (except the Reds) knew he was eligible for the draft, and then the Reds signed him as an undrafted free agent (with a decent signing bonus)?

[Mitri]

Wasn't Friedl the somewhat highly regarded college player who went undrafted because nobody in MLB (except the Reds) knew he was eligible for the draft, and then the Reds signed him as an undrafted free agent (with a decent signing bonus)?

Yes. He’s been quietly pretty damn good in the minors and plays a position the Reds are clearly thin at.

Rooting for him.

[JCM11]

Tommy Thrall mentioned that Miley has a history of running out of gas in September.

A 5.51 career ERA in September confirms that. July and August are his best months then the ERA goes up by 2 full runs in September. I'm sure Bell was aware of this which is why Miley got that long rest around the ASB, but he just can't handle a full season. Houston had to take him out of the rotation in 2019 after he was brilliant the first 5 months.

[Boston Red]

That double play kind of sums up the Reds' stretch "run".

[Big Klu]

Friedl with another hit!

India doubles to score Friedl. I'm impressed with Friedl's speed -- something this club desperately needs.

[OldFashionedRed]

If by miracle the Reds win the wildcard I want none other than Castillo on the mound. And he's pitching until his legs fall off. The offense has to step up.

[Ironman92]

Friedl with another hit!

India doubles to score Friedl. I'm impressed with Friedl's speed -- something this club desperately needs.

Part of it is that so many Reds main guys are at or near a bottom tier speed…anyone fairly athletic on the Reds looks like Eric Davis nowadays. To us Harrison Bader is basically Bo Jackson

[Ironman92]

First defensive issue I’ve seen of Farmer all season…extra hop but then bad throw.

[Jomama]

Just like Bell...nobody warming up in the bullpen. Manager is not a job for a quitter.

[DocRed]

Bringing in Hoffman down 2 after battling back from 6-0 in the 9th makes no sense....guy is trash. Yet the idiots on the front office won't bring up Dauri Moreta.

Oh and now they warm up Cessa 8-4!??! WTH? No reason to blow Cessa now...

[OldFashionedRed]

First defensive issue I’ve seen of Farmer all season…extra hop but then bad throw.

You haven't been watching, then. He makes a lot of plays, but a number of them came off a bobble. The guy bobbles a lot over there at short. Next year he needs to be a utility guy.

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Bringing in Hoffman down 2 after battling back from 6-0 in the 9th makes no sense....guy is trash

Yeap. The guy, in maybe the biggest game of the year, can't throw a darn strike.

[Jomama]

Bringing in Hoffman down 2 after battling back from 6-0 in the 9th makes no sense....guy is trash

Agreed. It's like Bell wants to be fired.

[jhc2010]

TBS broadcast is doing some major questioning why a better reliever (Givens or Lorenzen) isn't in the game. They argue that the Reds should be pitching who they would go to in game 7 of a playoff series in this situation since their season hanging in the balance.

[Coopdaddy67]

Bringing in Hoffman down 2 after battling back from 6-0 in the 9th makes no sense....

The Dodgers had a 89% win probability to start the inning.

When you're going to need the better RPs as early as tomorrow, don't waste them in a game you almost certainly aren't going to win.

[OldFashionedRed]

Agreed. It's like Bell wants to be fired.

Oh he's making a good case for it.

[Red Raindog]

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20210919/20bf07e1b7f593fbd28389a1be7010bd.jpg

I’m getting this feeling
Sigh


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[DocRed]

TBS broadcast is doing some major questioning why a better reliever (Givens or Lorenzen) isn't in the game. They argue that the Reds should be pitching who they would go to in game 7 of a playoff series in this situation since their season hanging in the balance.

Seriously. Bell blew this one....not that we would have won but you have to treat today like a playoff game. We aren't 10 games into the season. The Carindals are about to go up 3 games with a bout a dozen games left.

[OldFashionedRed]

I want Hoffman gone next year, along with:

Aquino
Shogo
Moose
Garrett
(Maybe) Suarez


A complete rebuild is needed.

[Jomama]

TBS broadcast is doing some major questioning why a better reliever (Givens or Lorenzen) isn't in the game. They argue that the Reds should be pitching who they would go to in game 7 of a playoff series in this situation since their season hanging in the balance.

They are not wrong. I'm not saying the Reds have the horses needed to win, but you at least have to try to push the right buttons.

[DocRed]

The Dodgers had a 89% win probability to start the inning.

When you're going to need the better RPs as early as tomorrow, don't waste them in a game you almost certainly aren't going to win.

When you are about to go 3 games down to the Cardinals with 13 games left tomorrow might not even matter. Especially after you battle back from 6-0 to make it a game at 6-4.

[DocRed]

Reds will never DFA Hoffman because that would mean they have to admit they were wrong in that trade which they will never do. BTW Robert Stephenson now has an ERA of about 3.50 pitching in Colorado...

[Redsfan6272]

I want Hoffman gone next year, along with:

Aquino
Shogo
Moose
Garrett
(Maybe) Suarez


A complete rebuild is needed.

Along with Krall and Bell

[Red Buckeye]

3 games back after today. I would say this series and the Cardinals winning streak has all but wrapped up the season. And Bungals lose today. What a crappy weekend of sports.

[Coopdaddy67]

When you are about to go 3 games down to the Cardinals with 13 games down tomorrow might not even matter. Especially after you battle back from 6-0 to make it a game at 6-4.

The Reds battled back while pitching Santillan, Wilson, Warren and Garrett.

Bell doesn't have the luxury of only thinking about today's game. He knew the win probability heading into the inning and more importantly, what he has going tomorrow (Gutierrez).

[Kc61]

You haven't been watching, then. He makes a lot of plays, but a number of them came off a bobble. The guy bobbles a lot over there at short. Next year he needs to be a utility guy.


.

Farmer had a couple of bobbles this series. Other than that rock solid. 5 errors at short all year.

Barrero had a few problems in Cardinal series, also not perfect.

Utility guy? There’s no Mr. Perfect around.

[DocRed]

The Reds battled back while pitching Santillan, Wilson, Warren and Garrett.

Bell doesn't have the luxury of only thinking about today's game. He knew the win probability heading into the inning and more importantly, what he has going tomorrow (Gutierrez).

Then why did he start warming up Cessa after being down 8-4?

Also we are playing the Pirates tomorrow...if we can't beat them without 3 or 4 of our best relievers than we don't deserve to be even I the hunt.

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Yes 6-5!!!! One more to go....oh wait NM

[Big Klu]

Updated Reds HR list (players in italics are active):

Reds 100-Home Run Club
1. Johnny Bench - 389
2. Joey Votto - 326
3. Frank Robinson - 324
4. Tony Pérez - 287
5. Adam Dunn - 270
6. Ted Kluszewski - 251
7. George Foster - 244
8. Jay Bruce - 233
9. Ken Griffey, Jr. - 210
10. Eric Davis - 203
11. Barry Larkin - 198
12. Brandon Phillips - 191
13. Vada Pinson - 186
14. Eugenio Suárez - 184
15. Wally Post - 172
16. Gus Bell - 160
17. Joe Morgan - 152
17. Pete Rose - 152
19. Lee May - 147
20. Dan Driessen - 133
21. Reggie Sanders - 125
22. Ernie Lombardi - 120
23. Sean Casey - 118
24. Frank McCormick - 110
25. Todd Frazier - 108
26. Dave Parker - 107
27. Chris Sabo - 104
28. Dave Concepción - 101

[DocRed]

Honestly I'd sit Moose the rest of the year. Whether it's timing or whatever he's been way worse than Suarez since being back.

[Red Raindog]

Tucker K’s

That’s baseball


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[OldFashionedRed]

Farmer had a couple of bobbles this series. Other than that rock solid. 5 or 6 errors all year.

Barrero had a few problems in Cardinal series, also not perfect.

Utility guy? There’s no Mr. Perfect around.

I said he's been bobbling balls all season, it's just that he recovered from most of them. Bobbling takes away the double play, and ups the chance of a bad throw, which is what happened today. I've watched A LOT of games this season. He's a utility guy. No one said he was perfect. Oh, and Barrero is getting a taste of reality in the big leagues. They need to rebuild, and Farmer needs to be utility next season.

[RedForLife]

Seriously. Bell blew this one....not that we would have won but you have to treat today like a playoff game. We aren't 10 games into the season. The Carindals are about to go up 3 games with a bout a dozen games left.

Bell is blowing the season. He's still seemingly playing the numbers instead of managing the talent we have game by game. Injuries happen to every team. He definitely doesn't possess any motivational skills. Earlier this month Suarez got hot and Bell then benches him. You always keep a hot bat in the lineup! When Shogo was making several dazzling plays in CF it really seemed to fire this team up. It isn't always a bat that fires a team up. Then Bell basically removes him from the lineup and the fire isn't even a smoldering ember anymore. Fire Bell and hire Paul O'Neill as manager.

[Kc61]

I said he's been bobbling balls all season, it's just that he recovered from most of them. Bobbling takes away the double play, and ups the chance of a bad throw, which is what happened today. I've watched A LOT of games this season. He's a utility guy. No one said he was perfect. Oh, and Barrero is getting a taste of reality in the big leagues. They need to rebuild, and Farmer needs to be utility next season.

I’ve watched most of the games this season. And Farmer has not been bobbling balls all season.

If he had been, how is it possible that he has only 5 errors in 930 chances at shortstop?

The Reds lost because the starting pitcher allowed 6 runs in the early innings. Enough.

[Tom Servo]

The Reds lost because the starting pitcher allowed 6 runs in the early innings. Enough.
The September swoon of Miley appears to be a real thing and not a one off. Sucks, but he's ultimately still way outperformed expectations this year.

[RedForLife]

I’ve watched most of the games this season. And Farmer has not been bobbling balls all season.

If he had been, how is it possible that he has only 5 errors in 930 chances at shortstop?

The Reds lost because the starting pitcher allowed 6 runs in the early innings. Enough.

Thank you! The only consistent 'bobbling' I've seen this season is from David Bell.

[OldFashionedRed]

I’ve watched most of the games this season. And Farmer has not been bobbling balls all season.

If he had been, how is it possible that he has only 5 errors in 930 chances at shortstop?

The Reds lost because the starting pitcher allowed 6 runs in the early innings. Enough.

You can bobble balls and not have errors. He often bobbles and then has to rush the throw to first, or he goes to second and that's all they get. We'll agree to disagree, but I'm not backing down from what my own two eyes have seen. Peace.

[OldFashionedRed]

Bell is blowing the season. He's still seemingly playing the numbers instead of managing the talent we have game by game. Injuries happen to every team. He definitely doesn't possess any motivational skills. Earlier this month Suarez got hot and Bell then benches him. You always keep a hot bat in the lineup! When Shogo was making several dazzling plays in CF it really seemed to fire this team up. It isn't always a bat that fires a team up. Then Bell basically removes him from the lineup and the fire isn't even a smoldering ember anymore. Fire Bell and hire Paul O'Neill as manager.

I don't know what Paul O'Neil is like as a manager. I stopped following him when he went to the Spankees. But I remember the guy being super firey. Bell just slaps them on the butt and probably presses the heart button on all of their tweets. And Bell takes WAY TOO LONG to remove guys from the lineup, 2 batters too late, or 8 games too late if you are a batter.

[Ky Fried Redleg]

You can bobble balls and not have errors. He often bobbles and then has to rush the throw to first, or he goes to second and that's all they get. We'll agree to disagree, but I'm not backing down from what my own two eyes have seen. Peace.

Love it. You go, lady!!!



https://youtu.be/nvlTJrNJ5lA

[Thisyear]

The September swoon of Miley appears to be a real thing and not a one off. Sucks, but he's ultimately still way outperformed expectations this year.

I agree Tommy. You are the smartest.

[cumberlandreds]

You can bobble balls and not have errors. He often bobbles and then has to rush the throw to first, or he goes to second and that's all they get. We'll agree to disagree, but I'm not backing down from what my own two eyes have seen. Peace.
You need your eyes examined.

[LARKIN]

Tough loss. 3-7 over the last 10 but that’s ok because we played well a few months ago!

[OldFashionedRed]

Tough loss. 3-7 over the last 10 but that’s ok because we played well a few months ago!

:laugh:

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You need your eyes examined.

Nah my eyes are good :p