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Ron Madden
09-23-2021, 01:55 PM
Reds
1. Jonathan India (R) 2B
2. Tyler Stephenson (R) C
3. Nick Castellanos (R) RF
4. Joey Votto (L) 1B
5. Kyle Farmer (R) SS
6. Eugenio Suarez (R) 3B
7. Delino DeShields (R) LF
8. Jose Barrero (R) CF
9. Luis Castillo (R) P


Nationals
1. Lane Thomas (R) CF
2. Alcides Escobar (R) SS
3. Juan Soto (L) RF
4. Josh Bell (S) 1B
5. Luis Garcia (L) 2B
6. Keibert Ruiz (S) C
7. Carter Kieboom (R) 3B
8. Andrew Stevenson (L) LF
9. Patrick Corbin (L) P

cumberlandreds
09-23-2021, 01:58 PM
Glad to see Barrero and hope he can hit a little this last week. I would like to see what Friedl could do also.

I'm stuck with the Nats announcers since I am in their black out zone. They pale in comparison to Thrall and Brantley.

KeefeCato
09-23-2021, 02:10 PM
See Miley is getting skipped. I was figuring it would be Vlad.

cumberlandreds
09-23-2021, 02:13 PM
See Miley is getting skipped. I was figuring it would be Vlad.

They are both worn out. So take your pick. I would like see them give Santillan another start this next week. So with off days they might could skip them both.

Ron Madden
09-23-2021, 02:16 PM
See Miley is getting skipped. I was figuring it would be Vlad.

Miley pretty much looked out of gas in his last few starts, they may be thinking the rest will do him good.

goreds2
09-23-2021, 02:48 PM
Looks like game time it will be 60 degrees and around 10-11pm it will be in low 50’s. Looks like no chance of rain.

Tony Cloninger
09-23-2021, 02:49 PM
Here’s to a 10 game winning streak and the Cardinals doing what the Braves did during the last 10 games of 2011.

Alf_Red_E
09-23-2021, 02:55 PM
It's the biggest game of the year

Cadenza
09-23-2021, 03:35 PM
Not anymore.

Ron Madden
09-23-2021, 03:43 PM
The Nationals lineup has been added to the original post

Ky Fried Redleg
09-23-2021, 04:40 PM
If the Reds can win these four against the lowly Nats, the Brewers can hold on against the Cards today, and the Cubbies can take three of four from the Redbirds at Wrigley this weekend, we will be one game back with six to go. Four of the Reds' last six games are against the Pirates, while half of the Cards' final six are against the Brewers. I guess what I'm saying... aw hell, just forget it.


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klw
09-23-2021, 05:21 PM
Joel Luckhaupt of the Pawnee Lerpiss family
@jluckhaupt
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30m

Eugenio Suarez
In 10 starts in September: .367/.487/.833, 11 hits including 5 multi-hit games

In 16 starts in August:
.148/.254/.352, 8 hits and no multi-hit games.

Hopefully the start of a lasting turnaround for next ear.

OldFashionedRed
09-23-2021, 05:45 PM
Joel Luckhaupt of the Pawnee Lerpiss family
@jluckhaupt
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30m


Hopefully the start of a lasting turnaround for next ear.

Maybe Eugenio does better without much pressure?

DocRed
09-23-2021, 06:47 PM
Brutal play by Cast

TheBigLebowski
09-23-2021, 06:51 PM
Cards came back and won. Of course.

Wouldn’t have mattered, but hope should no longer be springing eternal in the Reds fans’ collective breasts. It’s over, absolutely 110% over.

But, at least there won’t be any sort of “lost opportunity” angst, and those of you who can stomach watching this team play can just enjoy the game for the sake of the game.

cumberlandreds
09-23-2021, 06:54 PM
Castillo good comeback to get out of jam.

KeefeCato
09-23-2021, 06:55 PM
Soto is having a amazing start to his career.

Ky Fried Redleg
09-23-2021, 07:03 PM
Cards came back and won. Of course.

Wouldn’t have mattered, but hope should no longer be springing eternal in the Reds fans’ collective breasts. It’s over, absolutely 110% over.

But, at least there won’t be any sort of “lost opportunity” angst, and those of you who can stomach watching this team play can just enjoy the game for the sake of the game.

Reds' playoff hopes dropped from 3% to 2% after todays 12th straight win for the Redbirds.

OldFashionedRed
09-23-2021, 07:06 PM
Reds' playoff hopes dropped from 3% to 2% after todays 12th straight win for the Redbirds.

An absolute shame. Been awhile since I've seen a team go out with the kind of whimper that the Reds went out with. Adding insult to injury was extending Tinker Bell to a 2-year contract. How does that guy sleep at night?

KeefeCato
09-23-2021, 07:07 PM
Reds' playoff hopes dropped from 3% to 2% after todays 12th straight win for the Redbirds.

Cardinals got hot at the right time. But they are about to peak. There is no way they keep this up for next 9 days and into the playoffs. They very well could win the joke of a 1 game WC vs, the Giants or the Dodgers. But should they do that. whichever one of the Giants or Dodgers will be waiting in a real playoff series.
Little consolation for us Reds fans I know.

Bob Sheed
09-23-2021, 07:14 PM
6. .182
7. .172
8. .148
9. .152

I mean...

TheBigLebowski
09-23-2021, 07:16 PM
Cardinals got hot at the right time. But they are about to peak. There is no way they keep this up for next 9 days and into the playoffs. They very well could win the joke of a 1 game WC vs, the Giants or the Dodgers. But should they do that. whichever one of the Giants or Dodgers will be waiting in a real playoff series.
Little consolation for us Reds fans I know.

Getting hot and winning 12 of 13 are in the same phylum, but they’ve transcended hot. They’re unconscious, which is also a great description of these Reds, but in a negative perspective.

OldFashionedRed
09-23-2021, 07:16 PM
6. .182
7. .172
8. .148
9. .152

I mean...

It's almost like Bell saved common sense for after the contract extension. Royally pisses me off.

OldFashionedRed
09-23-2021, 07:18 PM
Delino is aWeSummerz with that great baserunning.

Bob Sheed
09-23-2021, 07:19 PM
It's almost like Bell saved common sense for after the contract extension. Royally pisses me off.

That bottom half isn't gonna put a lot of ducks on the pond...

NebraskaRed
09-23-2021, 07:21 PM
Bobby Nightengale
@nightengalejr

Delino DeShields has stolen two bases in the last two games. That ties him for third-most on the team this season. #Reds

It took me a minute to realize that he wasn't joking.

NebraskaRed
09-23-2021, 07:24 PM
And Barrero has been pretty good in CF, so far.

OldFashionedRed
09-23-2021, 07:24 PM
It took me a minute to realize that he wasn't joking.

It looked like he was trying to steal second and third there at the same time, lol.

coryfly
09-23-2021, 07:28 PM
A legit good call from Angel on that check swing.

OldFashionedRed
09-23-2021, 07:29 PM
Castillo fidgets way too much. Just pitch. And throw strikes.

cumberlandreds
09-23-2021, 07:32 PM
Nice running catch byBarrero.

cumberlandreds
09-23-2021, 07:35 PM
E4

cumberlandreds
09-23-2021, 07:36 PM
Lucky sac by caztillo. We will take it.

NebraskaRed
09-23-2021, 07:37 PM
Larking is trying really hard to show that he's better at speaking Spanish than Sadak.

KeefeCato
09-23-2021, 07:37 PM
Zero doubt in my mind that Barrero can be a really good CFer if that is the route they go. Suppose they replace Castellanos with another corner OFer instead of a CFer I would be fine with him in CF. I know some of the folks here are not sold on him hitting. I am. Will there be growing pains? I think that is a very good chance there will be. But I believe in him.
Would I rather see him at SS? Yes I would. But not if it means Barrero to SS and some veteran scrub in CF. I would rather have Farmer over a OF scrub. I know half the people here think Farmer is a scrub. I don't. It would be better if he was a super sub. But this is the Reds we are talking about. And they could do a lot worse than Farmer starting at SS.

cumberlandreds
09-23-2021, 07:38 PM
India walks.

NebraskaRed
09-23-2021, 07:41 PM
Bases loaded.

cumberlandreds
09-23-2021, 07:41 PM
Steve walks. Bases loaded. HR time here.

coryfly
09-23-2021, 07:42 PM
8 balls in a row. Let's see what Nick can do.

OldFashionedRed
09-23-2021, 07:44 PM
Next year's roster I'd like to see:

C - Stephenson
1B - Votto
2B - India
SS - Barrero
3B - Suarez
RF - Schrock
CF - Winker
LF - Friedl

BENCH
C - Barnhart
IF - Farmer
IF - Moustakas
OF - Senzel
OF - Acquino

DocRed
09-23-2021, 07:44 PM
8 balls in a row. Let's see what Nick can do.

He swings at a ball in dirt after 9 straight balls

cumberlandreds
09-23-2021, 07:44 PM
Cast way over anxoius.

NebraskaRed
09-23-2021, 07:44 PM
Cast wanted to be the hero and wound up with nothing.

He would have walked in a run.

coryfly
09-23-2021, 07:45 PM
He swings at a ball in dirt after 9 straight balls

Yeah, that was not smart baseball.

OldFashionedRed
09-23-2021, 07:45 PM
Castellanos. Why.

Red Raindog
09-23-2021, 07:45 PM
Ugly one by Nick


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DocRed
09-23-2021, 07:45 PM
12 straight balls...but Cast swung at 3 of them and strikes out per Barry Larking...ugh

OldFashionedRed
09-23-2021, 07:46 PM
I wish more hitters were cerebral like Votto, and had some of his fire.

DocRed
09-23-2021, 07:46 PM
Cast way over anxoius.

Feels like he wants to buff up his numbers for free agency

OldFashionedRed
09-23-2021, 07:48 PM
Votto got lucky there.

coryfly
09-23-2021, 07:49 PM
Guess it doesn't matter how many outs there are. Bases loaded period just seems to often not work out for this team.

NebraskaRed
09-23-2021, 07:49 PM
Reds are certainly leading in the all important metric: bases loaded but no runs scored (BLBNRS).

cumberlandreds
09-23-2021, 07:50 PM
The inning was the last Three weeks in microcosm.

BCubb2003
09-23-2021, 07:51 PM
At least nobody hit … sigh.

Redsfan6272
09-23-2021, 07:51 PM
Next year's roster I'd like to see:

C - Stephenson
1B - Votto
2B - India
SS - Barrero
3B - Suarez
RF - Schrock
CF - Winker
LF - Friedl

BENCH
C - Barnhart
IF - Farmer
IF - Moustakas
OF - Senzel
OF - Acquino

Sorry that lineup will not beat the Cardinals or Brewers to win anything

OldFashionedRed
09-23-2021, 07:53 PM
Feels like he wants to buff up his numbers for free agency

He's not been very good for about 3 months now. Here are his numbers through September, and the end of the two previous months.

BAVG-OBP-OPS
SEP .276 / .313 / .852
AUG .261 / .327 / .827
JUL .214 / .298 / .703

Redsfan6272
09-23-2021, 07:56 PM
Zinter needs to be replaced...

coryfly
09-23-2021, 07:56 PM
Great inning from Castillo.

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Zinter needs to be replaced...

Whole staff does but it isn't happening.

KeefeCato
09-23-2021, 07:58 PM
Next year's roster I'd like to see:

C - Stephenson
1B - Votto
2B - India
SS - Barrero
3B - Suarez
RF - Schrock
CF - Winker
LF - Friedl

BENCH
C - Barnhart
IF - Farmer
IF - Moustakas
OF - Senzel
OF - Acquino

Schrock is a nice bench player and start once a week guy.
Friedl way too soon to tell if he is a major leaguer let alone a starter. Teams would run wild on his noodle arm. At best he could make it as a bench player.
Stephenson needs to be the starter so there is no need to spend money on a aging veteran like Barnhart. If he is only starting once or twice a week tops.
Aquino just needs to be gone. I have predicted for a while now he will be sold to Japan. No idea if he will or not, but I do think he will be non tendered and be gone.
I hope you are right about Senzel being on the team in some capacity and healthy.
As of now if healthy. Moose will be the DH against RHP next season IMO.

Coopdaddy67
09-23-2021, 08:00 PM
Next year's roster I'd like to see:

C - Stephenson
1B - Votto
2B - India
SS - Barrero
3B - Suarez
RF - Schrock
CF - Winker
LF - Friedl

BENCH
C - Barnhart
IF - Farmer
IF - Moustakas
OF - Senzel
OF - Acquino

Why on Earth would you want to see that?

KeefeCato
09-23-2021, 08:01 PM
He's not been very good for about 3 months now. Here are his numbers through September, and the end of the two previous months.

BAVG-OBP-OPS
SEP .276 / .313 / .852
AUG .261 / .327 / .827
JUL .214 / .298 / .703

UMM you do realize over .800 OPS is good?

OldFashionedRed
09-23-2021, 08:02 PM
Schrock is a nice bench player and start once a week guy.
Friedl way too soon to tell if he is a major leaguer let alone a starter. Teams would run wild on his noodle arm. At best he could make it as a bench player.
Stephenson needs to be the starter so there is no need to spend money on a aging veteran like Barnhart. If he is only starting once or twice a week tops.
Aquino just needs to be gone. I have predicted for a while now he will be sold to Japan. No idea if he will or not, but I do think he will be non tendered and be gone.
I hope you are right about Senzel being on the team in some capacity and healthy.
As of now if healthy. Moose will be the DH against RHP next season IMO.

I forgot about Friedl's noodle arm. Maybe he could play IF? Aquino I don't honestly think will be here, either, but I was thinking the happy compromise if he's not going to be somewhere else, is for him to be in AAA learning how to it, and maybe he finally gets it. He's got a lot of power. I just didn't want certain people saying OMGZ REDZ HATERZ ALERT

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UMM you do realize over .800 OPS is good?

I said "very good". :D

OldFashionedRed
09-23-2021, 08:03 PM
Why on Earth would you want to see that?

Because that's the best of what we've currently got to work with. It's my only rational. I don't expect the FO to actually go out and get great players.

cumberlandreds
09-23-2021, 08:05 PM
E6 Gnats fielding like gnats.

KeefeCato
09-23-2021, 08:06 PM
I forgot about Friedl's noodle arm. Maybe he could play IF? Aquino I don't honestly think will be here, either, but I was thinking the happy compromise if he's not going to be somewhere else, is for him to be in AAA learning how to it, and maybe he finally gets it. He's got a lot of power. I just didn't want certain people saying OMGZ REDZ HATERZ ALERT

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I said "very good". :D

Someone mentioned the other day and I had forgot all about it. Maybe this has something to do with how bad Aquino has been. Maybe it has nothing to do with it and he is just bad. But he did break his Hamate bone.

Coopdaddy67
09-23-2021, 08:07 PM
Because that's the best of what we've currently got to work with. It's my only rational. I don't expect the FO to actually go out and get great players.

There's nothing rational about Winker in CF or Schrock as a regular RF. Add in a guy with 4 MLB games under his belt and it would be a historically bad OF.

OldFashionedRed
09-23-2021, 08:11 PM
There's nothing rational about Winker in CF or Schrock as a regular RF. Add in a guy with 4 MLB games under his belt and it would be a historically bad OF.

This is what we currently have. Castellanos isn't resigning. Senzel is far too often injured. By putting Schrock in RF I'm minimizing his exposure to RHP. Winker can play CF. Until we have new acquisitions, and assuming guys perform similarly next year, this is it. I don't keep up with the lower leagues. All just my opinion, of course!

cumberlandreds
09-23-2021, 08:13 PM
Even MASN has Peloton. Lets go plant dads!

coryfly
09-23-2021, 08:16 PM
Lecure sounds frustrated with how bad the offense is.

Ky Fried Redleg
09-23-2021, 08:18 PM
6. .182
7. .172
8. .148
9. .152

I mean...

I agree with Crosley58 ; that should be an automatic forfeit.

cumberlandreds
09-23-2021, 08:19 PM
Cast can't lay off that slider.

Tom Servo
09-23-2021, 08:19 PM
Maybe Cast is trying to work his way back to the Reds after all.

Ironman92
09-23-2021, 08:22 PM
Castellanos not been good of late

Alabama Red
09-23-2021, 08:22 PM
Following up on the Cast discussion, I think he may be back next year. His second ball is down from the first by a large margin. Now he had an injury and I don’t know if that is part of it or not but since I have t heard anything I’ll assume it’s not an issue. His numbers in GABP are also way higher than his road numbers and that will be a negative in FA. I’m not sure how much interest there will be in beating the Reds price. The Reds could also sweeten the pot some to have him not use his opt out option. I think his salary may be close to his market value so I think it will come down to whether he thinks he can win with the Reds. I think any offers he may get will come from teams in about the same boat as the Reds.

cumberlandreds
09-23-2021, 08:22 PM
Soto is pretty good.

Ironman92
09-23-2021, 08:23 PM
That’s impressive as hell.

Soto down 0-1…..took best pitcher’s pitch possible on bottom edge of plate, nods head in agreement on a pitch many ***** about and then drives an oppo HR

OldFashionedRed
09-23-2021, 08:24 PM
Following up on the Cast discussion, I think he may be back next year. His second ball is down from the first by a large margin. Now he had an injury and I don’t know if that is part of it or not but since I have t heard anything I’ll assume it’s not an issue. His numbers in GABP are also way higher than his road numbers and that will be a negative in FA. I’m not sure how much interest there will be in beating the Reds price. The Reds could also sweeten the pot some to have him not use his opt out option. I think his salary may be close to his market value so I think it will come down to whether he thinks he can win with the Reds. I think any offers he may get will come from teams in about the same boat as the Reds.

I think the Reds should ABSOLUTELY NOT sign him to some long-term contract. His career numbers don't bear it out.

OldFashionedRed
09-23-2021, 08:25 PM
Will Cast get 6 innings in?

Redsfan6272
09-23-2021, 08:25 PM
This Reds team looks beat. No fire aftwr the 8 series losses.. congrats Bell, your team is not prepared again.. cant wait for your nightly excuses after this game and another series loss

OldFashionedRed
09-23-2021, 08:27 PM
This Reds team looks beat. No fire aftwr the 8 series losses.. congrats Bell, your team is not prepared again.. cant wait for your nightly excuses after this game and another series loss

But they can't be any more tired than the other teams. Did you mean they look like they can't be motivated?

cumberlandreds
09-23-2021, 08:27 PM
That’s impressive as hell.

Soto down 0-1…..took best pitcher’s pitch possible on bottom edge of plate, nods head in agreement on a pitch many ***** about and then drives an oppo HR

He has had three real good Ab's against Castillo. Very impressive.

Redsfan6272
09-23-2021, 08:29 PM
But they can't be any more tired than the other teams. Did you mean they look like they can't be motivated?

Yes, you can see it in thier eyes. And body language

KeefeCato
09-23-2021, 08:30 PM
He has had three real good Ab's against Castillo. Very impressive.

Special player.

RedTeamGo!
09-23-2021, 08:32 PM
We starting to think about draft position or nah?

OldFashionedRed
09-23-2021, 08:33 PM
Impressive getting out of that jam.

cumberlandreds
09-23-2021, 08:33 PM
Overall good night from Castillo. Just no run support.

OldFashionedRed
09-23-2021, 08:34 PM
Yes, the team needs to go with the younger talent. I'd like to see more offense down the road.

cumberlandreds
09-23-2021, 08:37 PM
Votto a solid single.

Alabama Red
09-23-2021, 08:37 PM
I think the Reds should ABSOLUTELY NOT sign him to some long-term contract. His career numbers don't bear it out.
I would add some dollars to the current contract or maybe go one more year. Nothing like a 7 year deal on 25MM a year.

elrojo
09-23-2021, 08:38 PM
Agreed. Spend the money on a center fielder.

Ironman92
09-23-2021, 08:38 PM
Great AB by Joey….and Larkin is on point

Ky Fried Redleg
09-23-2021, 08:39 PM
Is Patrick Corbin good?

Ironman92
09-23-2021, 08:40 PM
Agreed. Spend the money on a center fielder.

I say just give Asdrubal 150 starts there next year

gagliano
09-23-2021, 08:42 PM
An absolute shame. Been awhile since I've seen a team go out with the kind of whimper that the Reds went out with. Adding insult to injury was extending Tinker Bell to a 2-year contract. How does that guy sleep at night?

He's pretty much asleep in the daytime

KeefeCato
09-23-2021, 08:42 PM
Is Patrick Corbin good?

I wouldn't be shocked if the season he is having is close to what Miley's season will be next year. Miley was far better than I thought he would be. I don't think he repeats it next year. If they pick up his option. I wouldn't be shocked if he makes it through the season without being released. Hope to be wrong. But I am just not sold on Miley being good next year.

Tom Servo
09-23-2021, 08:42 PM
Is Patrick Corbin good?
You've never heard of him?

Ky Fried Redleg
09-23-2021, 08:45 PM
I wouldn't be shocked if the season he is having is close to what Miley's season will be next year. Miley was far better than I thought he would be. I don't think he repeats it next year. If they pick up his option. I wouldn't be shocked if he makes it through the season without being released. Hope to be wrong. But I am just not sold on Miley being good next year.

You have a really good baseball intellect. I think you are spot on. And I hope we are both wrong.

Ironman92
09-23-2021, 08:47 PM
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Impressive

Ky Fried Redleg
09-23-2021, 08:51 PM
You've never heard of him?

Yeah, was being facetious. :) We have struggled against some of the pitching dregs of the league.

Ironman92
09-23-2021, 08:51 PM
He is so GD good. My god how do you get him out? Facing a guy that retired 27 straight hitters…..pitched him perfectly and he drives another oppo HR


That was damn good baseball

RedsFanInMS
09-23-2021, 08:51 PM
In all seriousness are the Reds the worst team in the NL right now?

OldFashionedRed
09-23-2021, 08:51 PM
The team is done for. Done. They need to just rest the veterans for next year, put in the guys they either want to look at, or are thinking of cutting.

KeefeCato
09-23-2021, 08:51 PM
Soto is amazing hitter. But I hate GABP. Both his HRs have been Oppo but still GABP specials.

Ky Fried Redleg
09-23-2021, 08:52 PM
Why not let's let the best player in the league beat us? There's eight others we could pitch to, I think. Right?

Ironman92
09-23-2021, 08:53 PM
Soto is amazing hitter. But I hate GABP. Both his HRs have been Oppo but still GABP specials.

Ok….so they are oppo doubles

KeefeCato
09-23-2021, 08:54 PM
Ok….so they are oppo doubles

Exactly. Post wasn't meant to take away from Soto at all. But those are doubles nearly everywhere else.

Redsfan6272
09-23-2021, 08:55 PM
So if this team looses the llast 10 games, Krall going to say Bell is the right guy to lead this team??

Ky Fried Redleg
09-23-2021, 08:55 PM
Soto is amazing hitter. But I hate GABP. Both his HRs have been Oppo but still GABP specials.

He's one of those handful of guys you pay money just to watch him play.

Kc61
09-23-2021, 08:56 PM
In all seriousness are the Reds the worst team in the NL right now?

Maybe the DBacks, but it’s close.

BCubb2003
09-23-2021, 08:56 PM
I think John Franco in 1987 threw a reliever’s no-hitter. (There was an error by Buddy Bell, of all people.)

Ky Fried Redleg
09-23-2021, 08:58 PM
In all seriousness are the Reds the worst team in the NL right now?

Sadly, I think they may be. Pirates played with much more energy than the Reds did over the last two series with them. It's very embarrassing to watch this product.

Bushman
09-23-2021, 08:58 PM
Welp, was gonna go down tomorrow and see the game. Decided to save the cash and frustration. I know, I won't be missed. But my cash will be.

OldFashionedRed
09-23-2021, 08:59 PM
Even though Barrero didn't hit that ball anywhere near going out, he easily could have. Angle was only off just a tad. Big boy up there!

KeefeCato
09-23-2021, 09:00 PM
Aquino and Shogo will not be back next season. Writing is on the wall. Aquino isn't even starting against LHP anymore. Shogo has had maybe 3 starts in the last 4-5 weeks.

Ironman92
09-23-2021, 09:00 PM
Refreshing watching DeShields wear a Reds uniform and still run fast.

Ironman92
09-23-2021, 09:02 PM
I wish Aquino well. Seems like a good dude.

Ky Fried Redleg
09-23-2021, 09:02 PM
Rolando Roomes was better than Aquino.

coryfly
09-23-2021, 09:03 PM
Corbin has been pretty bad all year and just completely shut them down so offensively they have to be close to the worst team in the NL at this point. Pretty shocking how quickly they became really bad.

Tom Servo
09-23-2021, 09:03 PM
No more Aquino

OldFashionedRed
09-23-2021, 09:03 PM
I wish Aquino well. Seems like a good dude.

I will give him that. Goes about his business, but he looks like he's never been in the bigs before. Something's not clicking. Was it really just all those pitchers throwing him BP when he went on that torrid streak two years ago?

KeefeCato
09-23-2021, 09:04 PM
No more Aquino

That needs to be said about a good many that is on the current roster sadly.

BCubb2003
09-23-2021, 09:05 PM
I wouldn’t be surprised if Aquino goes to a rebuilding team that puts him in the lineup and leaves him alone, and he figures it out.

Alabama Red
09-23-2021, 09:05 PM
Aquino and Shogo will not be back next season. Writing is on the wall. Aquino isn't even starting against LHP anymore. Shogo has had maybe 3 starts in the last 4-5 weeks.
Moustakas needs to go with them. There is no spot on the team for him and Bell will find a way to get him in. Just wait until January or so and an article will come out that India has been working out in the outfield.

OldFashionedRed
09-23-2021, 09:06 PM
Corbin has been pretty bad all year and just completely shut them down so offensively they have to be close to the worst team in the NL at this point. Pretty shocking how quickly they became really bad.

It's not really shocking to me when I look at their makeup. They literally have no one on that team who is truly vocal. I think their last vocal guy was Puig.

BCubb2003
09-23-2021, 09:07 PM
The Reds are playing like Juan Soto is in the draft.

Tom Servo
09-23-2021, 09:08 PM
I think it's actually more comforting to think that they've just packed it in as opposed to this actually being their best effort.

KeefeCato
09-23-2021, 09:08 PM
Moustakas needs to go with them. There is no spot on the team for him and Bell will find a way to get him in. Just wait until January or so and an article will come out that India has been working out in the outfield.

He is going nowhere. You just have to hope for health. He will be the DH next year if healthy enough. He has hit in the past maybe he bounces back to league average.

Tom Servo
09-23-2021, 09:08 PM
It's not really shocking to me when I look at their makeup. They literally have no one on that team who is truly vocal. I think their last vocal guy was Puig.
Oh really, you get that vibe from all your time spent in the clubhouse?

Redsfan6272
09-23-2021, 09:09 PM
I can see Bell after the game say " we are too good of a team to keep playing like this, I believe we will turn it around before the end of the season" blah blah blah

Ky Fried Redleg
09-23-2021, 09:10 PM
Corbin has been pretty bad all year and just completely shut them down so offensively they have to be close to the worst team in the NL at this point. Pretty shocking how quickly they became really bad.

I'm blaming Jesus Luzardo and Isdreadful Cabrera for all this pissy mess. Hitters were never the same after Jesus' miracle in Miami and I think that's also when Isdreadful joined the club.

Redsfan6272
09-23-2021, 09:10 PM
I think it's actually more comforting to think that they've just packed it in as opposed to this actually being their best effort.

And you reward the manager with a extension????

Ky Fried Redleg
09-23-2021, 09:12 PM
Moustakas needs to go with them. There is no spot on the team for him and Bell will find a way to get him in. Just wait until January or so and an article will come out that India has been working out in the outfield.

I agree, but it won't happen. The guy's useful years are behind him.

OldFashionedRed
09-23-2021, 09:15 PM
I agree, but it won't happen. The guy's useful years are behind him.

I think it sends an awful message to the clubhouse when a guy who has been injured can't even keep his weight in check. I mean, at least come looking like you're ready to play. Talk about highway robbery.

OldFashionedRed
09-23-2021, 09:17 PM
Stephenson, do you maybe think you could be a little more aggressive? I don't know, swing at pitches down the middle of the plate?

Ironman92
09-23-2021, 09:19 PM
The Reds are playing like Juan Soto is in the draft.

And gonna fall to 16 lol

Ironman92
09-23-2021, 09:20 PM
I can see Bell after the game say " we are too good of a team to keep playing like this, I believe we will turn it around before the end of the season" blah blah blah

While supporting a heart rate of 52 BPM

Coopdaddy67
09-23-2021, 09:21 PM
I think it's actually more comforting to think that they've just packed it in as opposed to this actually being their best effort.

I think that's the case. Most of them look like they'd rather be anywhere else right now.

Red Raindog
09-23-2021, 09:22 PM
It looks like Nick has checked out


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coryfly
09-23-2021, 09:24 PM
I think it's actually more comforting to think that they've just packed it in as opposed to this actually being their best effort.

Probably so but if that is the case then it makes the resigning of the manager pretty depressing. Either way it is pretty sobering I guess.

coryfly
09-23-2021, 09:26 PM
Funny commercials talking about a playoff run.

Alabama Red
09-23-2021, 09:26 PM
I can see Bell after the game say " we are too good of a team to keep playing like this, I believe we will turn it around before the end of the season" blah blah blah

Why do the players and manager think they’re good? That has baffled me the last few years. They thing they’re a great team and it will finally click.

gagliano
09-23-2021, 09:27 PM
Probably so but if that is the case then it makes the resigning of the manager pretty depressing. Either way it is pretty sobering I guess.

On ORG board, bruce berenyi likened bell's managerial pizazz to darrel chaney's hitting. That might be the most accurate post of the 2021 RZ season.

Ky Fried Redleg
09-23-2021, 09:33 PM
On ORG board, bruce berenyi likened bell's managerial pizazz to darrel chaney's hitting. That might be the most accurate post of the 2021 RZ season.

I also thought the great Berenyi analogy was quite precise. However, Chaney's hitting prowess might have exceeded Bell's pizazz.

DocRed
09-23-2021, 09:33 PM
Art Warren nasty as usual. Really starting to believe he is the real deal. He has now only allowed runs in 2 of his 22 appearances this year. And in short career in just 2 out of 28 appearances.

Ky Fried Redleg
09-23-2021, 09:34 PM
Art Warren nasty as usual. Really starting to believe he is the real deal.

Yep. I want to see him again next year.

RedForLife
09-23-2021, 09:35 PM
It seems to me that if any team wants to beat the Reds all they have to do is line up their worst pitchers (or sign one) and they're guaranteed a win. Our hitters will make them all look like Cy Young Award candidates. I guess Zinter will get an extension, too.

DocRed
09-23-2021, 09:37 PM
Suarez killed that ball. Good to see him get hard contact that isn't necessarily a HR

gagliano
09-23-2021, 09:41 PM
I also thought the great Berenyi analogy was quite precise. However, Chaney's hitting prowess might have exceeded Bell's pizazz.

LMAO

Tom Servo
09-23-2021, 09:41 PM
Schrock you like a hurricane

KeefeCato
09-23-2021, 09:42 PM
Art Warren nasty as usual. Really starting to believe he is the real deal. He has now only allowed runs in 2 of his 22 appearances this year. And in short career in just 2 out of 28 appearances.

I have liked Warren for a good while now. Possible future closer.

BCubb2003
09-23-2021, 09:43 PM
Good Schrockin’ Tonight.

gagliano
09-23-2021, 09:45 PM
I also thought the great Berenyi analogy was quite precise. However, Chaney's hitting prowess might have exceeded Bell's pizazz.

Always thought chaney resembled led zep's john paul jones

Ky Fried Redleg
09-23-2021, 09:46 PM
Gotta hand it to those fans behind home plate. They are more excited than the Reds are.

gagliano
09-23-2021, 09:46 PM
T. J. Friedl'd while rome burned

OldFashionedRed
09-23-2021, 09:47 PM
Nick definitely has not helped his FA cause these past 2 months or so. The Reds need to try and leverage that.

Coopdaddy67
09-23-2021, 09:49 PM
Nick definitely has not helped his FA cause these past 2 months or so. The Reds need to try and leverage that.

They have no leverage. He got hurt and came back at less than 100% to try and help the team. He can get considerably more in guaranteed money than $34 mil. He's had a great year.

KeefeCato
09-23-2021, 09:51 PM
Always thought chaney resembled led zep's john paul jones

Who would you rather have? Vuckovich, Chaney, Crowley and Rettenmund or Bailey, Lum and Youngblood?
Clay and Tom Carroll, Hall and Kirby or Alcala, Hinton, Henderson and Zachry?

gagliano
09-23-2021, 09:53 PM
Who would you rather have? Vuckovich, Chaney, Crowley and Rettenmund or Bailey, Lum and Youngblood?
Clay and Tom Carroll, Hall and Kirby or Alcala, Hinton, Henderson and Zachry?

That's an embarassment of riches. Especially with santo alcala in that mix. Don"t tease me keefe lol

Tom Servo
09-23-2021, 09:54 PM
Stephenson's rookie regression certainly hit the Reds hard in the last month, still a fine season but he was playing an oversized role when things were going well.

REDREAD
09-23-2021, 09:55 PM
Aquino and Shogo will not be back next season. Writing is on the wall. Aquino isn't even starting against LHP anymore. Shogo has had maybe 3 starts in the last 4-5 weeks.

Let's hope that's true. To be honest, I will be thrilled if just one of those is jettisoned. I agree with you though, you can't have two OF on the roster than can't hit.. Ideally, you want zero that can't hit, but at least one is tolerable.

OldFashionedRed
09-23-2021, 09:55 PM
They have no leverage. He got hurt and came back at less than 100% to try and help the team. He can get considerably more in guaranteed money than $34 mil. He's had a great year.

When I talk about leverage, I mean his career stats. Go look at them. Has nothing to do with his injury. The guy has years of history.

2013-2021 career average:

493 PA's 18 HR 64 RBI .278 BAVG / .329 OBP / .812 OPS. You can't make that up.

The Reds don't need to try and outbid anyone for him.

Ky Fried Redleg
09-23-2021, 09:58 PM
Who would you rather have? Vuckovich, Chaney, Crowley and Rettenmund or Bailey, Lum and Youngblood?
Clay and Tom Carroll, Hall and Kirby or Alcala, Hinton, Henderson and Zachry?

Listen at you spouting some old school Redspeak. :thumbup:

KeefeCato
09-23-2021, 10:01 PM
Listen at you spouting some old school Redspeak. :thumbup:

There is a reason I grouped these guys together. What is the reason? It has nothing to do with performance.

coryfly
09-23-2021, 10:04 PM
Let's hope that's true. To be honest, I will be thrilled if just one of those is jettisoned. I agree with you though, you can't have two OF on the roster than can't hit.. Ideally, you want zero that can't hit, but at least one is tolerable.

Yeah, I always loved Hamilton and thought he would be a very valuable piece IF you had a very good lineup around him. Reds never had enough to make that a thing though.

Coopdaddy67
09-23-2021, 10:16 PM
When I talk about leverage, I mean his career stats. Go look at them. Has nothing to do with his injury. The guy has years of history.

Looking at stats from when he was 21, 22 and 23 is pointless. He's not the same player he was back then. You want a decent representation, look at 2018, 2019 and 2021. I generally disregard 2020 (good or bad) for obvious reasons, but feel free to include it in the #s if you'd like.

There are going to be plenty of teams willing to offer him 3-5 year deals that increase his total guaranteed salary by a decent margin. Even more teams if the DH comes to both leagues. This is his last chance to get a nice guaranteed total. Oh, and he's a Boras client.

WVRedsFan
09-23-2021, 10:18 PM
All this Aquino talk reminds me of Adam Duvall. You know how he's doing these days?

KeefeCato
09-23-2021, 10:36 PM
All this Aquino talk reminds me of Adam Duvall. You know how he's doing these days?

Same as he did as a Red. Great power with very low OBP.

Kc61
09-23-2021, 10:58 PM
All this Aquino talk reminds me of Adam Duvall. You know how he's doing these days?

Duvall has 37 homers and a league leading 109 RBIs this year. When Aquino produces that, please let me know.

Coopdaddy67
09-23-2021, 10:59 PM
Duvall has 37 homers and a league leading 109 RBIs this year. When Aquino produces that, please let me know.

Not to mention his defense, which is very valuable.

Ironman92
09-23-2021, 11:14 PM
All this Aquino talk reminds me of Adam Duvall. You know how he's doing these days?

I don’t see that

REDREAD
09-24-2021, 12:03 AM
All this Aquino talk reminds me of Adam Duvall. You know how he's doing these days?

I don't think that's a good comparison. Before he was traded Duvall was an all star and he was able to fetch Sims and another pitcher in a trade (who I think ended up being a mediocre reliever elsewhere).
In contrast, Auqino was exposed maybe 3-5 years ago (I forget which year) and no one wanted him.
If he was let go tomorrow, a good chance his career is over. Aquino has zero trade value.. Every team has minor leaguers that can't make contact and they are hoping something clicks.

gagliano
09-24-2021, 12:24 PM
Who would you rather have? Vuckovich, Chaney, Crowley and Rettenmund or Bailey, Lum and Youngblood?
Clay and Tom Carroll, Hall and Kirby or Alcala, Hinton, Henderson and Zachry?

Didnt the first group all play 3b for the reds at one time? Second group all relievers? Help me out

cumberlandreds
09-24-2021, 12:32 PM
There is a reason I grouped these guys together. What is the reason? It has nothing to do with performance.

First part of each group played on the 75 Reds and the 2nd part of each group played on the 76 Reds.

KeefeCato
09-24-2021, 03:26 PM
First part of each group played on the 75 Reds and the 2nd part of each group played on the 76 Reds.

Correct.

KeefeCato
09-24-2021, 03:27 PM
Didnt the first group all play 3b for the reds at one time? Second group all relievers? Help me out

Fun useless fact of the day. For some reason. Crowley never played the field in 1975 till Mid August. Only Pinch Hit till then.

gagliano
09-24-2021, 04:06 PM
Fun useless fact of the day. For some reason. Crowley never played the field in 1975 till Mid August. Only Pinch Hit till then.

Very odd

Big Klu
09-24-2021, 04:13 PM
Didnt the first group all play 3b for the reds at one time? Second group all relievers? Help me out

Terry Crowley was left-handed. He only played RF, LF, and 1B in his major-league career.