Ohio State Mens Basketball 2021/2022

[goreds2]

I seem to start this thread each year. I would think we should be in the rankings next week via the win against number one Duke.

https://ogden_images.s3.amazonaws.com/www.vindy.com/images/2021/12/01015057/OhioState-749x500.jpg

[oregonred]

That was a crazy comeback. Duke stopped scoring at the 5-minute mark.

Key and Russell were fabulous. OSU is going to be pretty fun when conference play rolls around.

OSU BB leads all NCAA teams with nine wins over #1 ranked teams while being unranked.

OSU BB has also won 8 of the last 11 overall vs. #1 ranked teams.

[RedTeamGo!]

Those are the best jerseys in the sport

[goreds2]

Next game:

Dec 5, 2021
@

Penn St.
7:30 pm
BTN

[goreds2]

Bummer the game against Kentucky was cancelled.

[Redsfaithful]

Yeah it is, I was looking forward to that one.

[goreds2]

Buckeyes currently are 10-3 and ranked 16th.

[Redsfaithful]

Team looks pretty solid this year! They're a fun group, dunno what their ceiling is, but likeable.

[RedTeamGo!]

Team looks pretty solid this year! They're a fun group, dunno what their ceiling is, but likeable.

They are a fun watch. With that said, ceiling is Sweet 16 if they have a favorable draw. Not sold on the bench or secondary scoring options.

[bucksfan2]

They are a fun watch. With that said, ceiling is Sweet 16 if they have a favorable draw. Not sold on the bench or secondary scoring options.

Need to get Sueing back, that will help on offense.

I think Liddell and Branham will be a pretty good one two punch going forward. Branham has really gotten it going lately and has a pretty big upside.

When this team struggles to shoot from 3 they can be beat by anybody.

[goreds2]

Ohio State vs. Nebraska basketball Saturday game postponed


Ohio State had its COVID-19 issues earlier in the year, and it now appears as though Nebraska is going through the same. Based on an announcement made from the Nebraska Basketball Twitter account, the game against the Buckeyes on Saturday has been postponed “due to health and safety protocols within the Husker program.”

The game was to be played in Columbus and tip at 2:15 p.m EST, but that will no longer take place. Ohio State sits at 5-2 in the Big Ten and will now have to wait until its next scheduled contest at Minnesota next Thursday.

“With players currently in health and safety protocol, Nebraska fell below the Big Ten Conference roster minimum, with fewer than seven scholarship players available, a statement from Nebraska said. “The programs will coordinate with the Big Ten Conference office to reschedule the game.”

https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/ncaabk/ohio-state-vs-nebraska-basketball-game-postponed/ar-AASZ0i1

[goreds2]

Bucks losing by 17 points to number 6 Purdue with twelve minutes remaining. Game is on CBS.

[goreds2]

Bucks losing by 17 points to number 6 Purdue with twelve minutes remaining. Game is on CBS.

Ohio State has cut it to trailing by 4 with 1:06 remaining.

[goreds2]

Dag, Ohio State tied it with 20 seconds remaining then Purdue hits a three to win it.

[goreds2]

Ohio State at Michigan today 6pm est. on ESPN3.

[goreds2]

Ohio State at Michigan today 6pm est. on ESPN3.

Bucks up by 10 with 13 minutes remaining. Game is actually on ESPN.

[goreds2]

Nice win at Michigan. For me, kind of a revenge game after losing the football game last November.

Next game is Tuesday night 8:30 est. on Big 10 Network.

[goreds2]

Ohio State Falls To No. 18 In Latest Associated Press Top 25 Men's Basketball Poll

https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/ncaabk/ohio-state-falls-to-no-18-in-latest-associated-press-top-25-mens-basketball-poll/ar-AATQnee


The Buckeyes split their last two games, including a two-point loss at Purdue and an 11-point win at Michigan.

After splitting its last two games, Ohio State fell two spots to No. 18 in the latest Associated Press Top 25 Poll, which was released on Monday afternoon.

The Buckeyes went cold late in a 66-64 loss at Rutgers on Wednesday night, missing their last seven shots from the field, but followed that up with a 68-57 win at Michigan on Saturday, which was even more impressive given the Wolverines had just knocked off No. 3 Purdue a few days prior.

Ohio State is currently 15-6 overall and 8-4 in Big Ten play, and will now finish out the season with six of its final eight games at home at Value City Arena.

That includes a matchup against Minnesota on Tuesday night (8:30 p.m. on BTN), followed by the rescheduled game against Iowa on Saturday (2:30 p.m. on FOX). The Buckeyes beat the Golden Gophers on the road, 75-64, back on Jan. 27, while this is their first and only meeting with the Hawkeyes this season.

[RedTeamGo!]

I think that is fair

[goreds2]

Busy night tonight. My 76ers start at 7:30, Buckeyes at 8:30 then Mrs. goreds2 UK Wildcats at 9pm.

I need a setup like this.

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/0f/59/de/0f59de59e0929f64a4695755a341fb4f.jpg

[goreds2]

Busy night tonight. My 76ers start at 7:30, Buckeyes at 8:30 then Mrs. goreds2 UK Wildcats at 9pm.

I need a setup like this.

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/0f/59/de/0f59de59e0929f64a4695755a341fb4f.jpg

At least the Buckeyes came through and won.

[BuckeyeRed27]

I watched the second half where they frankly looked incredible. Excellent ball movement, lots of open shots and excellent attacking defense.

[goreds2]

Buckeyes win in overtime vs Indiana last night to keep their Big 10 title hopes alive.

Next game:

Thu, 2/24
#15
ILL
9:00 PM Est.
FS1

[bucksfan2]

OSU sorely misses Justice Sueing. The ball can get stagnant at times, with only Branham being able to make plays off the dribble. With Arhens going through his traditional late season slump, the scoring at times can get challenging.

Branham looks like a throw back player who is great off the bounce, can score at will, and will be an absolute stud in a year or two. I was surprised to see Holtman pretty much rely on him late in the 2nd to generate any kind of offense.

Every time I watch IU play I am confused as to why Jackson-Davis does not score more, that the offense will go a long time without running through him.

[RedTeamGo!]

This OSU team doesn't have a good offense. They are going to be knocked out early in the tourney.

[BuckeyeRed27]

OSU sorely misses Justice Sueing. The ball can get stagnant at times, with only Branham being able to make plays off the dribble. With Arhens going through his traditional late season slump, the scoring at times can get challenging.

Branham looks like a throw back player who is great off the bounce, can score at will, and will be an absolute stud in a year or two. I was surprised to see Holtman pretty much rely on him late in the 2nd to generate any kind of offense.

Every time I watch IU play I am confused as to why Jackson-Davis does not score more, that the offense will go a long time without running through him.

Would be awesome if he can come back. Seems like he’s been “close” for about a month. There’s no one on the roster that does what he does and he would compliment Liddell and Branham really well.

[goreds2]

Buckeyes win in overtime vs Indiana last night to keep their Big 10 title hopes alive.

Next game:

Thu, 2/24
#15
ILL
9:00 PM Est.
FS1

The Buckeyes tried to blow a 15 point lead with 5 minutes remaining but held on to defeat #15 Illinois to win by 3. Full court pressure and loud crowd really hampered the Buckeyes.

[BuckeyeRed27]

The Buckeyes tried to blow a 15 point lead with 5 minutes remaining but held on to defeat #15 Illinois to win by 3. Full court pressure and loud crowd really hampered the Buckeyes.

Lack of defense hampered the Buckeyes. Don’t let a team score on 11 consecutive possessions and you don’t have to sweat it out. Still they did what they needed to do and that is a big big win.

[RiverRat13]

This OSU team doesn't have a good offense. They are going to be knocked out early in the tourney.

Ohio State has the seventh best offense in the country according to KenPom. The defense is 94th.

[bucksfan2]

Ohio State has the seventh best offense in the country according to KenPom. The defense is 94th.

They have times where they struggle to rebound. It killed them against Iowa.

While I think Branham should come back next season, dude may be playing himself into a 1st rounder. They have two pros on their team, which could make them a tough out.

[RiverRat13]

They have times where they struggle to rebound. It killed them against Iowa.

While I think Branham should come back next season, dude may be playing himself into a 1st rounder. They have two pros on their team, which could make them a tough out.

Need a big NIL to keep him. C'mon Les Wexner!

It will be interesting to see if guys like him who are borderline 1st rounders decide to stay because they can make good NIL money. Guaranteed 1st rounders won't stay, but maybe those guys on the fringe?

[RedTeamGo!]

With the newish NBA rule where they do not have to hire an agent and call still test the NBA draft waters, I have a feeling Branham is going to do just that, find out multiple teams are interested in drafting him in the first round and he will hire an agent. He reminds me of a young Dwayne Wade at Marquette. He gone.

[RedTeamGo!]

Ohio State has the seventh best offense in the country according to KenPom. The defense is 94th.

They have two great offensive players, but I do not think they have a great offense. There is a difference. When Branaham and Liddel get cold the game swings violently in the other team's direction. See the last 5 minutes of last night and the last 10 minutes against Iowa. It is going to be their death nail in the tourney.

[BuckeyeRed27]

They have two great offensive players, but I do not think they have a great offense. There is a difference. When Branaham and Liddel get cold the game swings violently in the other team's direction. See the last 5 minutes of last night and the last 10 minutes against Iowa. It is going to be their death nail in the tourney.

There was a lot of Wheeler making bad decisions when it got close. With 6 minutes to go it was 74-58 and they gave up 25 points in 6 minutes. That’s more on defense and taking care of the ball, but your overall point I think is right. This isn’t the first, or second, or third time that a second half has looked like this. They have managed to pull off several wins including 2 this week, but it’s living dangerously.

[RedTeamGo!]

There was a lot of Wheeler making bad decisions when it got close. With 6 minutes to go it was 74-58 and they gave up 25 points in 6 minutes. That’s more on defense and taking care of the ball, but your overall point I think is right. This isn’t the first, or second, or third time that a second half has looked like this. They have managed to pull off several wins including 2 this week, but it’s living dangerously.

Aside: I went to Immigrant Son Brewing with my wife and daughter on Sunday for brunch. Was pretty good! Definitely expensive food, but it was good quality. I got the burger, wife got the shrimp and grits, and my daughter absolutely wolfed down some toast and eggs. IPA was really solid as well.

[BuckeyeRed27]

Aside: I went to Immigrant Son Brewing with my wife and daughter on Sunday for brunch. Was pretty good! Definitely expensive food, but it was good quality. I got the burger, wife got the shrimp and grits, and my daughter absolutely wolfed down some toast and eggs. IPA was really solid as well.

Nice! The food is heavy is my only knock on that place, so gotta watch the order a bit but food is solid. The Langos is the best thing, which is basically just fried dough but it’s awesome next time you go.

I’ve like all the beer so far but my favorites are English Porter and the winter ale they had. I play shuffle board at Forest City and they have their lager on draft which I thought was pretty cool.

[RedTeamGo!]

Nice! The food is heavy is my only knock on that place, so gotta watch the order a bit but food is solid. The Langos is the best thing, which is basically just fried dough but it’s awesome next time you go.

I’ve like all the beer so far but my favorites are English Porter and the winter ale they had. I play shuffle board at Forest City and they have their lager on draft which I thought was pretty cool.

Ha, was just at Forest City 2 weeks ago! My son loves shuffleboard

[bucksfan2]

With the newish NBA rule where they do not have to hire an agent and call still test the NBA draft waters, I have a feeling Branham is going to do just that, find out multiple teams are interested in drafting him in the first round and he will hire an agent. He reminds me of a young Dwayne Wade at Marquette. He gone.

Wade put on one of the best performances in the tournament we have ever seen. He was also age wise a Jr after that season.

I don't think he is a lottery pick, think he has more development to do, and making some serious NIL money in Columbus all the while getting ready to play in the NBA isn't that bad of a decision.

I wonder with the NIL if guys will be more likely to stay in college an extra year instead of ridding the pine in the NBA. I can't help think of all the guys who left early to play in the G-League only to spend their winters in Canton, OH or Ft Wayne, IN, instead of playing in college and being the big man on campus.

[RedTeamGo!]

Wade put on one of the best performances in the tournament we have ever seen. He was also age wise a Jr after that season.

I don't think he is a lottery pick, think he has more development to do, and making some serious NIL money in Columbus all the while getting ready to play in the NBA isn't that bad of a decision.

I wonder with the NIL if guys will be more likely to stay in college an extra year instead of ridding the pine in the NBA. I can't help think of all the guys who left early to play in the G-League only to spend their winters in Canton, OH or Ft Wayne, IN, instead of playing in college and being the big man on campus.

How much do bball players get Nil wise in Cbus? Gotta figure the vast majority of that money is going to football players.

I know Wade left as a junior. I’m just saying he reminds me of Wade play-wise.

[RiverRat13]

How much do bball players get Nil wise in Cbus? Gotta figure the vast majority of that money is going to football players.

I know Wade left as a junior. I’m just saying he reminds me of Wade play-wise.

I don't know dollar amounts but I did see Zed Key in a car commercial.

[goreds2]

Ohio State basketball's E.J. Liddell addresses 'disrespectful' Illinois fans after road win

https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/ohio-state-basketballs-e-j-200829840.html

Next game:

Sun, 2/27
@
MD
4:00 PM
CBS

[BuckeyeRed27]

Sparty just beat Purdue, which is helpful.

[goreds2]

Ohio State basketball's E.J. Liddell addresses 'disrespectful' Illinois fans after road win

https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/ohio-state-basketballs-e-j-200829840.html

Next game:

Sun, 2/27
@
MD
4:00 PM
CBS

Buckeyes lose by 15.

[Assembly Hall]

Buckeyes lose by 15.

Ugly loss.

[RedTeamGo!]

Liddell and Branham had mediocre games and the buckeyes lost to an absolutely garbage Maryland team by 15. I rest my case.

[RedTeamGo!]

And what happened to Ahrens? Dude went from being a potential sharp shooting role player on either an nba team or euro team to selling insurance next year. He is absolutely horrible.

Like I was saying, buckeyes don’t have a good offense.

[BuckeyeRed27]

I only watched a bit of the second half, but they just looked gassed.

[RedTeamGo!]

I only watched a bit of the second half, but they just looked gassed.

They have absolutely no depth

[BuckeyeRed27]

They have absolutely no depth

I think they have depth, they just don’t have much flexibility. They play the same way no matter who is out there. Like you said Aherns is massive let down. He simply isn’t useful as a 35% shooter. And they desperately need Sueing, if they are going to anything.

[bucksfan2]

I only caught the 2nd half and it was an ugly game. They struggle to rebound on defense which leads to massive issues. They hung in there for a while but there was a stretch of two possessions in a row with an offensive rebound, and then a 3 hit shortly afterward. One was on a FT which shouldn't happen and the other they had everyone boxed out and just got beat to the ball.

Arhens isn't the only one who looks lost. Key looks lost as well, just a shell of what you thought he would become. And while Kyle Young has had a very good career, he isn't as good this season as he was last year. Don't know why.

As for Branham, yesterday's game poured some ice water on the hyperbolic rise. As for his marketability, it won't be as high as a star football player, but he should be able to make some serious cash. OSU is weird in that there is a pretty big basketball following, it just doesn't start til mid January. If Branham isn't a lottery pick, I think he should return to school, because I think his ceiling is that of a top 10 pick.

[RedTeamGo!]

Get smoked by the 8-21 Nebraska Cornhuskers. At this point are they going to make the tourney?

[goreds2]

OMG, Ohio State down by 10 with 15 min. remaining.

[goreds2]

Get smoked by the 8-21 Nebraska Cornhuskers. At this point are they going to make the tourney?

Buckeyes lose.

[RedTeamGo!]

OSU has to start asking questions about Holtmann IMHO. Inexcusable loss. Not this offseason, but another season like this next year (or worse without EJ Liddell and possible Branham) - time to move on.

[Assembly Hall]

Wow.

[BuckeyeRed27]

OSU has to start asking questions about Holtmann IMHO. Inexcusable loss. Not this offseason, but another season like this next year (or worse without EJ Liddell and possible Branham) - time to move on.

They do seem to have an annual funk for some reason under Holtmann. It usually comes earlier in the season than this.

They just can’t get stops. They are an extremely poor defensive team.

[goreds2]

The Lady Buckeyes have it together:

“ The Ohio State women's basketball team is going into the 2022 Big Ten Tournament with momentum.

The Buckeyes won 13 of their final 15 games, including a 61-55 win in the regular season finale against Michigan State.

At 22-5 and 14-4 in the Big Ten, Ohio State enters the conference tournament as the No. 1 overall seed. “

[Assembly Hall]

They just can’t get stops. They are an extremely poor defensive team.

Did I read the box right? The Huskers with only 4 turnovers last night? Or was it a typo?

[RiverRat13]

OSU has to start asking questions about Holtmann IMHO. Inexcusable loss. Not this offseason, but another season like this next year (or worse without EJ Liddell and possible Branham) - time to move on.

They could be really bad next year if Branham leaves.

[bucksfan2]

There will be some overreactions, deservedly so. And if I were a betting man I would bet against them Thursday and this weekend as well.

They are completely gassed right now. The covid make up games are crowding the schedule, and they are dealing with some injuries as well.

Last night Key was out, Young was out after the 1st half, Liddell was playing with cramps, and Wheeler had two gauze sticks in his nose.

Defense has been a mess all season long, and they just got beat to a lot of balls over the past couple of games.

[RedTeamGo!]

There will be some overreactions, deservedly so. And if I were a betting man I would bet against them Thursday and this weekend as well.

They are completely gassed right now. The covid make up games are crowding the schedule, and they are dealing with some injuries as well.

Last night Key was out, Young was out after the 1st half, Liddell was playing with cramps, and Wheeler had two gauze sticks in his nose.

Defense has been a mess all season long, and they just got beat to a lot of balls over the past couple of games.

They have zero quality depth.

Jimmy Sotos is horrible and has no business even suiting up for a program like OSU. He is a mid-major player. Some can make the jump to big time college bball, some cannot. He cannot.

[Redsfaithful]

They have zero quality depth.

Jimmy Sotos is horrible and has no business even suiting up for a program like OSU. He is a mid-major player. Some can make the jump to big time college bball, some cannot. He cannot.

What's happened with recruiting anyway? Thad Matta fell off at the end, but it felt like he was always bringing in first tier guys.

[BuckeyeRed27]

What's happened with recruiting anyway? Thad Matta fell off at the end, but it felt like he was always bringing in first tier guys.

They have 5 guys coming in next year. 4 of them are top 100 guys and 2 of them profile as potential NBA guys.

[bucksfan2]

They have zero quality depth.

Jimmy Sotos is horrible and has no business even suiting up for a program like OSU. He is a mid-major player. Some can make the jump to big time college bball, some cannot. He cannot.

You are right, he shouldn't be, and has played very sparingly.

I have no clue why things went they way they did last night. There seems to be some stalled development of some guys, Meechie comes to mind. Sotos is a depth piece who should get a couple minutes a game if Wheeler needs a rest.

While its an easy excuse, Sueing being out does hurt this team. He basically was a point forward, who could slash and actually score the ball.

Washington going to the league early was a surprise to many, and I am sure to Holtman as well. FWIW this team looks a lot different with Washington and Sueing in the 7 man rotation and Towns being a rotational piece when needed. But things got blown up rather early this season and just haven't improved.

They have had 7 games in the span of two weeks. That in itself is a pretty brutal schedule, but what is ironic, they beat the best two teams they played in that stretch.

As for recruiting, there definitely have been some misses. The last couple of highly rated classes OSU has brought up have gone up in flames. Dating back to the Thad years. Next season they seem loaded, especially if Branham comes back.

[Redsfaithful]

They have 5 guys coming in next year. 4 of them are top 100 guys and 2 of them profile as potential NBA guys.

Oh weird, the way people talk it sounded like the roster was getting nuked after some of these current guys leave.

[BuckeyeRed27]

Oh weird, the way people talk it sounded like the roster was getting nuked after some of these current guys leave.

There is going to be a huge amount of turn over and it’ll be a super young team. If Branham comes back they will be pretty good though.

Here’s the 11W write up on the class
https://www.elevenwarriors.com/ohio-state-basketball/2021/11/126626/bruce-thornton-felix-okpara-roddy-gayle-brice-sensabaugh-bowen-hardman-sign-national-letters-of-intent-with-ohio

[RedTeamGo!]

Oh weird, the way people talk it sounded like the roster was getting nuked after some of these current guys leave.

Basketball recruiting out of like the top 10-20 is a complete crap shoot. Michigan had an incredible class coming in this year and they were expected to run away with the conference and the recruits just haven’t lived up to their rankings.

Liddell being gone next year is just a huge loss.

[goreds2]

Playing right now on ESPN.

[BuckeyeRed27]

The Joey Brunk game?

[goreds2]

Buckeyes bounce back from the Tuesday night disaster and defeat Michigan State. Ohio State never trailed in this game. 80-69

Next game is Sunday 12:30 pm est. on FOX.

[BuckeyeRed27]

Buckeyes bounce back from the Tuesday night disaster and defeat Michigan State. Ohio State never trailed in this game. 80-69

Next game is Sunday 12:30 pm est. on FOX.

I think they need to win and have Iowa either lose tonight or to Illinois to get the 4 seed and the double bye.

[goreds2]

Lady Buckeyes, Number 1 seed in the Big 10 Tournament are now playing on the Big 10 Network. Started at 11:35am est.

[RedTeamGo!]

Ahrens is absolutely horrible. Addition by subtraction when he graduates.

How about Joseph Brunk!!??

[RedTeamGo!]

Need to get Ahrens off the court. An absolute liability right now.

[RedTeamGo!]

I will be absolutely shocked if this OSU team makes it out of the first weekend.

[RedTeamGo!]

Get ahrens off the court

[Assembly Hall]

Get ahrens off the court

Lots of blame to be passed around.

[goreds2]

Thu, 3/10
vs
TBD* (winner of Minn/Penn State game)
9:00 PM
BTN

[goreds2]

Tie game with 5 minutes remaining. (Vs Penn State)

[RedTeamGo!]

This is a bad OSU team. I’m honestly good on Holtmann. Not a good coach. Some of these losses the last few weeks are absolutely inexcusable. This is an embarrassing loss.

[RiverRat13]

This is a bad OSU team. I’m honestly good on Holtmann. Not a good coach. Some of these losses the last few weeks are absolutely inexcusable. This is an embarrassing loss.

The defense of Holtmann would be that they are missing four of their top nine guys and had to fit two make-up games into the end of the schedule, so being worn down makes sense. But the reality is another mediocre season should put him on the hot seat. By firing Thad, Gene Smith signaled that he was not going to tolerate an average OSU basketball program. But that's what he has right now with Holtmann.

[RedTeamGo!]

The defense of Holtmann would be that they are missing four of their top nine guys and had to fit two make-up games into the end of the schedule, so being worn down makes sense. But the reality is another mediocre season should put him on the hot seat. By firing Thad, Gene Smith signaled that he was not going to tolerate an average OSU basketball program. But that's what he has right now with Holtmann.

Losses to Maryland, Nebraska, and Penn State (In the big ten tourney) are inexcusable. And honestly, Sueing is a good player, but Towns is not. Having 1 player out for the season is just not a valid excuse for a mediocre season. I know Young and Key have been hurt the last week or so, but they were having mediocre results before that. I defending Holtmann the first 3 years or so, but after being knocked out by a 15 seed in the tourney last year and just completely wasting Liddell this season, time to move on.

[Kingspoint]

Iowa will win the Big-10 tournament and get to the Elite 8 in the NCAA tournament.

[Assembly Hall]

Iowa will win the Big-10 tournament and get to the Elite 8 in the NCAA tournament.

We will shall see what my Hoosiers have to say about that BTT thing.

[Kingspoint]

Go Hawkeyes!

Hoping they win the NCAA tournament.

[goreds2]

Mar 18, 2022
Ohio State
vs
Loyola Chi.
12:15 pm est. on CBS

[RedTeamGo!]

Go Hawkeyes!

Hoping they win the NCAA tournament.

This is the OSU thread, I think you clicked on the wrong one.

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Mar 18, 2022
Ohio State
vs
Loyola Chi.
12:15 pm est. on CBS

This is going to be an L for OSU. Hopefully will end Holtmann's tenure.

[bucksfan2]

Losses to Maryland, Nebraska, and Penn State (In the big ten tourney) are inexcusable. And honestly, Sueing is a good player, but Towns is not. Having 1 player out for the season is just not a valid excuse for a mediocre season. I know Young and Key have been hurt the last week or so, but they were having mediocre results before that. I defending Holtmann the first 3 years or so, but after being knocked out by a 15 seed in the tourney last year and just completely wasting Liddell this season, time to move on.

The backloaded schedule with a worn down team really showed up. They should have not lost to all three of Maryland, Nebraska, and PSU, and went from a #4 seed to a #7 seed, but I do think you undersell the issues with the team.

Sueing would have been their #2-3 scorer this season. For a team that struggles to score from time to time, that would have been a big bonus. Branham came along in the second half of the season, but in the first half it seemed like the EJ Liddell show with little else.

Towns would would have been a valuable bench player, especially with Arhens taking up minutes and being pretty ineffective.

Holtmann will be back next season, probably on the hot seat, but when you look back in hindsight, he has done everything you would have expected out of him. FWIW Tournament runs are crapshoots, plenty of top tier coaches have lost to 15 seeds.

[RedTeamGo!]

Towns would would have been a valuable bench player

Everyone always says this and I legitimately do not know why

[bucksfan2]

Everyone always says this and I legitimately do not know why

He was highly sought of coming out of Harvard, I believe it was down to Duke and OSU.

He has never been fully healthy at OSU so its difficult to judge what type of player he would have been.

Put it this way, he would have been a better option than Ahrnes or Russell, both being forced to pay important minutes.

I don't follow the ins and outs of college roster building, but I have to think there was a time where Holtmann thought he had Washington, Liddell, Branham, and Sueing as his core players. That didn't work out like planned, and part of that is on Holtmann and part of that is on things he can't control.

[Kingspoint]

This is the OSU thread, I think you clicked on the wrong one.

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This is going to be an L for OSU. Hopefully will end Holtmann's tenure.

Sorry about that.

[goreds2]

Lady Buckeyes play around 2:30pm est. today on ESPN.

[Redsfaithful]

Really had no idea they had that kind of defensive performance in them. They were suffocating! I don't expect them to keep it up against Villanova, but I appreciate that effort.

[BuckeyeRed27]

Really had no idea they had that kind of defensive performance in them. They were suffocating! I don't expect them to keep it up against Villanova, but I appreciate that effort.

They had a big length advantage that they don’t have against most teams. Young and Key being back was also important.

Villanova is probably the weakest 2 seed, but they are gonna need to carry over at least some of that defense.

[BuckeyeRed27]

Oh well

[goreds2]

Still have the women’s team.

Mon, 3/21
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[RedTeamGo!]

Oh well

They should just pull off the band-aid and fire Holtmann now, but we will be subjected to at least one more season of mediocre results with no hope of seeing the 2nd weekend. Holtmann is a mid-major coach, he is out of his element in the B1G. Buckeyes are about to lose both Liddell and Branham to the NBA draft. I know they have a solid class coming in, but its not a Kentucky class, like people are talking themselves into believing.

[BuckeyeRed27]

They should just pull off the band-aid and fire Holtmann now, but we will be subjected to at least one more season of mediocre results with no hope of seeing the 2nd weekend. Holtmann is a mid-major coach, he is out of his element in the B1G. Buckeyes are about to lose both Liddell and Branham to the NBA draft. I know they have a solid class coming in, but its not a Kentucky class, like people are talking themselves into believing.

To get who? Being competitive in the Big Ten and making the tournament is basically the standard for OSU basketball. Every once in a while you jump up and get into the Elite 8 or so, great, but it’s not the standard. Is there an obvious coach out there that would do that? I don’t see one.

I don’t think Branham is leaving. He needs a lot of work on his handle, passing and defense to be an NBA player.

[RedTeamGo!]

To get who? Being competitive in the Big Ten and making the tournament is basically the standard for OSU basketball. Every once in a while you jump up and get into the Elite 8 or so, great, but it’s not the standard. Is there an obvious coach out there that would do that? I don’t see one.

I don’t think Branham is leaving. He needs a lot of work on his handle, passing and defense to be an NBA player.

I call BS on OSU not being able to do better than Holtmann. Complete and utter BS.

You mention jumping up to the Elite 8, with Holtmann I do not think that is possible.

As for Branham, he gone.

[Boston Red]

Holtmann went to the Sweet Sixteen with Butler and won first round games his other two years there. It seems a stretch to think he couldn't get Ohio State a step further than that. And he was doing that with Butler in the Big East, so it wasn't like he had the advantage of a solft league.

Obviously, I'm not saying he WILL, but "impossible" seems a bit of an overstatement.

[BuckeyeRed27]

I call BS on OSU not being able to do better than Holtmann. Complete and utter BS.

You mention jumping up to the Elite 8, with Holtmann I do not think that is possible.

As for Branham, he gone.

Ok who is coming in to make that step? I’m open to ideas. I think it’s easy to say we gotta fire this guy and a lot harder to say to what end.

Holtmann has the second best winning percentage in OSU history. If there is a circa 2005 Thad Matta that wants to walk through that door, awesome, let’s get that guy. Otherwise Holtmann has OSU basketball relevant, but not elite, which is better than basically everyone else that has been here.

[bucksfan2]

Branham "should" come back. He has star potential, but he is a ways off. I think a season in college, working on his ball handling, his outside shot, and his strength could go a long way to being an effective NBA player. He absolutely can be a 1st rounder this season, but will spend the vast majority of his rookie season sitting on the bench (while getting paid.)

Next year is a prove it year for Holtmann. OSU should expect a better result in the tournament, but at the same time its a complete crapshoot at times. And FWIW the B1G needs to examine what in the world is going wrong with their teams flaming out early in the tournament.

I don't think this gets brought up when talking about Matta. He was one heck of a coach, and a good to great recruiter. But at the same time, Ohio was loaded with talent during his tenure, and most of his damage came from an area within a 5 hour drive. Connely, Oden, Cook, Lighty, Craft, Sullinger, Diebler, Mullins, Kufos, Turner, and Thomas were all "local" kids.

Thad was great, but its hard to imagine a good coach not taking advantage of Ohio during those years.

[goreds2]

Lady Buckeyes upset #3 seed LSU to advance.

[RedTeamGo!]

NBAdraft.net latest mock has Branham going 8th overall

https://www.nbadraft.net/nba-mock-drafts/

In my experience this is the most accurate nba mock draft.

He gone.

The Buckeyes had two first round draft picks and couldn’t get to the sweet 16. That’s on the head coach.

[BuckeyeRed27]

NBAdraft.net latest mock has Branham going 8th overall

https://www.nbadraft.net/nba-mock-drafts/

In my experience this is the most accurate nba mock draft.

He gone.

The Buckeyes had two first round draft picks and couldn’t get to the sweet 16. That’s on the head coach.

I mean if he’s getting those type of grades he obviously has to go, but that would shock me.

He doesn’t have an NBA level handle to be able to get his own shot and he’s just not good on defense. He doesn’t need to get better at both of those things, but he does need to improve one of them before I take him seriously as a NBA guy.

[RedTeamGo!]

I mean if he’s getting those type of grades he obviously has to go, but that would shock me.

He doesn’t have an NBA level handle to be able to get his own shot and he’s just not good on defense. He doesn’t need to get better at both of those things, but he does need to improve one of them before I take him seriously as a NBA guy.

I think we’re watching a different player. Disagree completely about his handle.

[Redsfaithful]

The Buckeyes had two first round draft picks and couldn’t get to the sweet 16. That’s on the head coach.

As a casual fan here I have to agree. Bottom line, I can't figure out why they can't recruit nationally. The football team, frankly, hasn't always been like this. Elite, of course, but recruiting nationally so well, annually being in the top 5, no.

I really thought Matta would have taken that leap if he hadn't had the health problems, but five years with these results from Holtmann is enough to show that they need to start looking looking for someone else to elevate their level. There's just no excuse for a program with the resources of Ohio State to not be in the top 10-15 year after year.

[BuckeyeRed27]

I think we’re watching a different player. Disagree completely about his handle.

It’s loose. He gets away with it against college guys. But if he doesn’t tighten it up he’s gonna end up being a catch and shoot guy and those are a dime a dozen.

[bucksfan2]

It’s loose. He gets away with it against college guys. But if he doesn’t tighten it up he’s gonna end up being a catch and shoot guy and those are a dime a dozen.

I agree with this, and it was exposed in the tournament. It was loose and sloppy at times. He also needs to get stronger as he was bullied at times down the stretch.

If he is a lottery pick he has to go. I don't see that after this season, but who knows.

[RedTeamGo!]

Branham declared for the draft, but did not hire an agent. He said if he goes first round he will leave. As I have been saying for months - he gone.

Ahrens entered transfer portal last night - thank god. Terrible player, should not be near a P5 roster. I bet he ends up in the MAC.

Buckeyes brought in a transfer from Wright State. Averaged 20 ppg last year and got to the FT line more than any other player in the country. Not sure how that will translate to the B1G, but could be a solid player to have.

[BuckeyeRed27]

Yeah the transfer guy looks good.

I still think Branham comes back. I know he’s getting mocked in the high first round, but I don’t think that’s what teams are going to tell him. This is also a pretty deep draft.

Ahrens worked hard and seemed like a good teammate and all that, but the expectation was he was going to be Jon Diebler…and he wasn’t…

[RedTeamGo!]

Yeah the transfer guy looks good.

I still think Branham comes back. I know he’s getting mocked in the high first round, but I don’t think that’s what teams are going to tell him. This is also a pretty deep draft.

Ahrens worked hard and seemed like a good teammate and all that, but the expectation was he was going to be Jon Diebler…and he wasn’t…

Worst case scenario for Branham is between picks 20-30. He is absolutely going.

[BuckeyeRed27]

Worst case scenario for Branham is between picks 20-30. He is absolutely going.

There’s a big difference between being a fringe first round guy and a lottery pick. Although if he did go he would probably benefit from being on a good team that’s picking in the 20s.

[RedTeamGo!]

There’s a big difference between being a fringe first round guy and a lottery pick. Although if he did go he would probably benefit from being on a good team that’s picking in the 20s.

He said if he goes in first round he is leaving

[Revering4Blue]

Worst case scenario for Branham is between picks 20-30. He is absolutely going.

Yup.

Your point is absolutely true, especially considering the number of teams with multiple first round picks able to swing for the fences with high-upside - regardless of fit, which is essentially an obsolete form of drafting - like Branham.


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[bucksfan2]

Yup.

Your point is absolutely true, especially considering the number of teams with multiple first round picks able to swing for the fences with high-upside - regardless of fit, which is essentially an obsolete form of drafting - like Branham.


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I don't know what the pre-draft process entails. I also don't follow the NBA close to enough to know what the difference between being a lottery pick and outside the lottery really means. I don't know if its a substantial amount of money or not, I just know 1st rounders are guaranteed and 2nd rounders are not.

If the worst case scenario is 20-30, is that a risk Branham wants to take? Basically you are talking about the potential of falling out of the 1st round completely. If there is the potential to be a top 10 pick as opposed to a 20-30, its an interesting decision.

I don't have the slightest idea to what he will do. I know he isn't ready yet, but that has never stopped players from going and NBA teams from drafting. He is that an interesting prospect in that there is room for him to improve his draft stock. I wonder if Jaden Ivey is a good comp for him, very good freshman year but turning into a top 5-10 draft pick.

[BuckeyeRed27]

I don't know what the pre-draft process entails. I also don't follow the NBA close to enough to know what the difference between being a lottery pick and outside the lottery really means. I don't know if its a substantial amount of money or not, I just know 1st rounders are guaranteed and 2nd rounders are not.

If the worst case scenario is 20-30, is that a risk Branham wants to take? Basically you are talking about the potential of falling out of the 1st round completely. If there is the potential to be a top 10 pick as opposed to a 20-30, its an interesting decision.

I don't have the slightest idea to what he will do. I know he isn't ready yet, but that has never stopped players from going and NBA teams from drafting. He is that an interesting prospect in that there is room for him to improve his draft stock. I wonder if Jaden Ivey is a good comp for him, very good freshman year but turning into a top 5-10 draft pick.

Yeah this is kinda what I meant. The pre draft process isn’t going to say “you are the 27th pick”. It’s basically going to break it down into lottery or not. He’s taking a huge risk by going if he isn’t a consensus lottery pick and I don’t think that’s going to be what he gets.

[Assembly Hall]

Worst case scenario for Branham is between picks 20-30. He is absolutely going.

And I would say he is closer to 20 than 30.

[Revering4Blue]

I don't know what the pre-draft process entails. I also don't follow the NBA close to enough to know what the difference between being a lottery pick and outside the lottery really means. I don't know if its a substantial amount of money or not, I just know 1st rounders are guaranteed and 2nd rounders are not.

If the worst case scenario is 20-30, is that a risk Branham wants to take? Basically you are talking about the potential of falling out of the 1st round completely. If there is the potential to be a top 10 pick as opposed to a 20-30, its an interesting decision.

I don't have the slightest idea to what he will do. I know he isn't ready yet, but that has never stopped players from going and NBA teams from drafting. He is that an interesting prospect in that there is room for him to improve his draft stock. I wonder if Jaden Ivey is a good comp for him, very good freshman year but turning into a top 5-10 draft pick.


Yeah this is kinda what I meant. The pre draft process isn’t going to say “you are the 27th pick”. It’s basically going to break it down into lottery or not. He’s taking a huge risk by going if he isn’t a consensus lottery pick and I don’t think that’s going to be what he gets.

Branham is ranked anywhere from 8 to 16 so far according to mock drafts. As for the salary differences between draft position:

NBA Rookie Pay Scale: How Much They Make Depending on Draft Position https://www.si.com/nba/2018/06/22/rookie-pay-scale-how-much-money-they-make-pick

[RedTeamGo!]

Branham is ranked anywhere from 8 to 16 so far according to mock drafts. As for the salary differences between draft position:

NBA Rookie Pay Scale: How Much They Make Depending on Draft Position https://www.si.com/nba/2018/06/22/rookie-pay-scale-how-much-money-they-make-pick

So, instant millionaire.

[BuckeyeRed27]

Branham is ranked anywhere from 8 to 16 so far according to mock drafts. As for the salary differences between draft position:

NBA Rookie Pay Scale: How Much They Make Depending on Draft Position https://www.si.com/nba/2018/06/22/rookie-pay-scale-how-much-money-they-make-pick

And if he’s getting 8-16 type grades he should absolutely go pro. He’s a lottery pick.

If he’s getting low first round grades, he shouldn’t go. That means he could slip into the second round and the economics change dramatically.

[bucksfan2]

And if he’s getting 8-16 type grades he should absolutely go pro. He’s a lottery pick.

If he’s getting low first round grades, he shouldn’t go. That means he could slip into the second round and the economics change dramatically.

Exactly. I don't know if he is strong enough to play right away in the NBA. I went back and did a quick wiki search of the 2021 draft. One thing I noticed is once you got around the 15 pick mark, a lot of those guys spend time in the GLeague.

A back end of the first round grade is dicey position to be in. It pretty much means you are spending your first year in the GLeague. And yes, you sign you name and you are an instant millionaire, but if you aren't developed the right way, you are passing up tens of millions in career earnings.

Basketball is that weird sport where the vast majority of players come out not ready and rely on a level of basketball (the G League) that is just crap. I am a NBA novice, but it seems like if you aren't a big time star (massive shoe deal) you really make it when you get your first FA contract.

[WVRed]

Sean McNeil from WVU committed to Ohio State tonight.

Good 3 point and free throw shooter but undersized for a wing and a turnstile on defense.

[Sea Ray]

Sean McNeil from WVU committed to Ohio State tonight.

Good 3 point and free throw shooter but undersized for a wing and a turnstile on defense.

Why the exodus from Huggins?

[WVRed]

Why the exodus from Huggins?

I’d say the opportunity for NIL money is better in Columbus than Morgantown.

In a nutshell though, Huggins needs to retire.

[bucksfan2]

I’d say the opportunity for NIL money is better in Columbus than Morgantown.

In a nutshell though, Huggins needs to retire.

Huggs seems like the exact coach that NIL and free transfers is going to kill.

His style of coaching is a tough love coaching that requires kids to buy in. I don't see that working in today's era. Looking back at all the great UC teams he had, I don't think any of them stick together under the current environment.

I remember times where he would kick kids out of the locker room, that doesn't work today.

[RedTeamGo!]

So, basically, Holtmann replaced Ahrens with Ahrens and picked up a tiny conference forward that relies on getting to the free throw line.

Sooooo, who we all thinking for the new head coach after next season?

[BuckeyeRed27]

So, basically, Holtmann replaced Ahrens with Ahrens and picked up a tiny conference forward that relies on getting to the free throw line.

Sooooo, who we all thinking for the new head coach after next season?

He’s a little better than Ahrens, but he’s not a huge difference maker.

Holtmann needs to be rooting for some bad draft grades for Branham and at least two of the freshman to hit or it’s gonna be a tough one.

[WVRed]

Huggs seems like the exact coach that NIL and free transfers is going to kill.

His style of coaching is a tough love coaching that requires kids to buy in. I don't see that working in today's era. Looking back at all the great UC teams he had, I don't think any of them stick together under the current environment.

I remember times where he would kick kids out of the locker room, that doesn't work today.

It doesn’t help his case that one of his transfers went on to sweep every major player of the year award.

And that another was a local kid who transferred within the Big 12.

[BuckeyeRed27]

Branham is having a press conference with Holtmann tomorrow afternoon, presumably to officially declare his decision either way.

[RedTeamGo!]

Like I said 2 months ago: he gone.

Branham officially not coming back.

[bucksfan2]

I wish Branham well. It was a pleasure to watch him down the stretch of the season.

I hope he goes in the first half of the draft. Personally I think he is a couple of years away from being a starting caliber player. Hopefully he is able to develop and turn into the player I think he can be.

Good for him for getting his money.