Cincinnati Bengals 2021 Part V

[Bob Sheed]

The last time I remember the Bengals offense being this predictable was the tail end of Bob Bratkowski's tenure here.

As a fan, you could literally say he's gonna run it. Run. Pass. Punt. Pass. Pass. Run on 3rd and long. Yawn. Punt. Run. Pass. Pass. Bratkowki's play calling patterns were infuriatingly predictable. Zac Taylor's play calling patterns are infuriatingly predictable.

And yes, it was a nice win yesterday. But Taylor needs to find somebody else to call the plays. He stinks at it like Marvin Lewis use to stink at clock management. It's holding the team back.

[KoryMac5]

The Denver QB's are horrid. I do find it somewhat ironic that Elway can't find a reliable QB. They would be a super bowl team with a decent QB. Will they win the Aaron Rodgers sweepstakes next season?

The Bengals are a legit OLine away from being contenders. The patchwork OLine did ok, but they scored 15 points, two of which came on 50 yard plus FG's and their loan TD came on a long catch and run play. They never seriously threatened and made 1(?) trip to the Redzone.

Denver D is good, but you won't win many games scoring 15 points. I do think there are times where Burrow holds the ball too long, and he has to get better at that. But the Oline must be fixed going into next season. No more project draft picks, they need a T and a G, go get one. If they go into the season hoping Carmen wins a G spot, well I know how that will end up.

The O line remains a huge question mark...had they poured $$$ into it we may have run away with the division.

Not ready to write off Carmen yet he has looked good in spots he just isn't consistent...that could change by this time next season.

Mad at myself for not taking the over on the Bengals this season...really happy to not be talking about mock drafts in Dec.

[Redhook]

I think everyone in the thread and all Bengals fans are happy this year. But, I also think it’s ok to not be satisfied. I see a team that’s close to being really really good. Yes, they’ve made some big improvements, but they easily could’ve done more as well. While they signed 2 OL, they still had 2 gaping holes at C and RG (I don’t count Carmen as addressing it and neither should have the Bengals). They had plenty of cap money to address them. I’m just assessing what’s happened and what could’ve happened.

[KoryMac5]

Eli Apple has risen from the grave much like Terrance Newman...at this point I think you may have to go Apple and Chido the rest of the way.

[bucksfan2]

The O line remains a huge question mark...had they poured $$$ into it we may have run away with the division.

Not ready to write off Carmen yet he has looked good in spots he just isn't consistent...that could change by this time next season.

Mad at myself for not taking the over on the Bengals this season...really happy to not be talking about mock drafts in Dec.

They MUST pour money into the OLine. They have solidified every part of the team but the OLine.

I have written Carmen off, anything the kid can give to the team is gravy. With the current instability of the OLine, he needs to be more than a backup guy. At this point in his career he should be a starter.

I would have hammered the under so I am glad I did not.

[membengal]

Their 3rd string OT at RT yesterday...


Highest-graded #Bengals in Week 15 (min. 25 snaps):

1️⃣ Mike Hilton, CB- 83.5
2️⃣ Fred Johnson, OT- 82.8
3️⃣ Joe Burrow, QB- 78.8
4️⃣ D.J. Reader, DI- 74.6
5️⃣ Tyler Boyd, WR- 74.1

[Bob Sheed]

Yes, count me among those happily eating crow about Fred Johnson and Eli Apple.

Also, this gem from TML this morning:


Thanks to Vic Fangio, whose clock management at the end of the 1st half made all of Broncos Nation yearn for Marvin Lewis. First, he dawdled and went passive on his team’s final possession of the half. Then he didn’t use his timeouts properly. McManus missed a 51-yard FG try, leaving enough time for the Bengals to complete a 19-yard pass, followed by McPherson’s 58-yarder at the gun. That was a 6-point swing. And the ballgame.

[Reds Freak]

I think some of the frustration is because as much improved as this season has been, it is so close to bring so, do much better - the close loss to a very bad Bears team, the OT loss at home to Green Bay, the inexcusable showing against the Jets and the blown OT lead against the 49ers. Even if only half those results go the other way, we’re at 10 wins and probably a lock for the playoffs, yet all 4 went the wrong way. I think that is reslly frustrating - so much “could have been.”

Those losses were really frustrating. Like you said, get one of those and Bengals are probably a lock for the playoffs. But you're leaving out three wins that could have very easily gone the other way, giving the Bengals a 5-9 record right now (vs. Minn, vs. Jax, @ Den).

[Sea Ray]

Yes, count me among those happily eating crow about Fred Johnson and Eli Apple.

Also, this gem from TML this morning:

At the end of the 4th qtr when the clock stopped due to Mixon's injury, I think the play clock would have taken it all the way to the 2 min warning if Denver had not called a TO. I don't think it resets to 25 secs as the announcers claimed. Anyone know how that works?

[UKFlounder]

Fair point. Had Jax kicked a FG at the end of the 1st half or MN not fumbled while driving (in OT?)…



Those losses were really frustrating. Like you said, get one of those and Bengals are probably a lock for the playoffs. But you're leaving out three wins that could have very easily gone the other way, giving the Bengals a 5-9 record right now (vs. Minn, vs. Jax, @ Den).

[Reds Freak]

Fair point. Had Jax kicked a FG at the end of the 1st half or MN not fumbled while driving (in OT?)…

I believe it was OT when Minnesota fumbled in field goal range. Then the Bengals pulled off one of my favorite - and most gutsy - plays of the year, the 4th-and-1 deep floater to Uzomah to set up the game-winning FG.

[bucksfan2]

At the end of the 4th qtr when the clock stopped due to Mixon's injury, I think the play clock would have taken it all the way to the 2 min warning if Denver had not called a TO. I don't think it resets to 25 secs as the announcers claimed. Anyone know how that works?

IMO since the clock stops due to injury, the play clock resets to 25 seconds and then is wound down. I think the announcers were right, but I could be wrong. In essence it changed the way the rest of the game played out. The Bengals had the ball with third and long after the 2 minute warning with the Bronco's having no more time outs. Had Fangio not used the TO, Taylor may have been more aggressive and had Burrow throw the ball because the clock was going to stop regardless.

I know Taylor caught some flack for his play calling, but I think he called that last play correctly. Sure they could have picked up the 1st down, but running 40 seconds off the clock (up 5) was the right call.

[Redhook]

At the end of the 4th qtr when the clock stopped due to Mixon's injury, I think the play clock would have taken it all the way to the 2 min warning if Denver had not called a TO. I don't think it resets to 25 secs as the announcers claimed. Anyone know how that works?

That was a weird turn of events. Denver called the TO immediately after the play ended not knowing Mixon was hurt. Then, over the P.A., they said that Denver would not be charged a TO due to the injury. A few minutes later, the TO was still taken away from them. So, I think, Denver kind of got the short end of the stick there. If they didn’t call a TO, the game clock would’ve stopped, right? Meaning, after Mixon was off the field.

I don’t think that answered your question, but it was weird moment in the stands too. No one knew what was going on.

[Sea Ray]

That was a weird turn of events. Denver called the TO immediately after the play ended not knowing Mixon was hurt. Then, over the P.A., they said that Denver would not be charged a TO due to the injury. A few minutes later, the TO was still taken away from them. So, I think, Denver kind of got the short end of the stick there. If they didn’t call a TO, the game clock would’ve stopped, right? Meaning, after Mixon was off the field.

I don’t think that answered your question, but it was weird moment in the stands too. No one knew what was going on.

I "think" Denver was aware that they were given the TO back but they opted to take it anyway 'cause they didn't want to take time off the clock. The issue here is would "time off the clock" mean 25 secs or 40?

[KoryMac5]

I would think Carmen will be starting at RG vs Baltimore...PFF had him 85.2 in pass protection which is his best mark of the year. Mixon with ankle sprain expected to play though per Taylor.

[WrongVerb]

Mixon wil be limited in practice this week.

[Redhook]

I "think" Denver was aware that they were given the TO back but they opted to take it anyway 'cause they didn't want to take time off the clock. The issue here is would "time off the clock" mean 25 secs or 40?

Ahh, that makes more sense. Thanks for clarifying. So, when the game restarted after Mixon left the field, the play clock AND the game clock would both start? I'm surprised the game clock would start after an injury, but I don't know all the rules. Regarding the 25 vs. 40, I don't have a clue although I'm guessing it was 40 since the 2-minute warning was 36 seconds away, IIRC.

[Redhook]

The O line remains a huge question mark...had they poured $$$ into it we may have run away with the division.

They had the money and sat on it. They've never liked or believed in spending on the interior line. You just have to wonder how good Burrow and the offense could be if he had a line that was better than average or just average. Hopefully, that'll happen next year and for many years after.

[Stray]

Line isn't great, but the sack #s are misleading a bit. A lot of the sacks Burrow takes are on him.

[ScotlandRed]

Line isn't great, but the sack #s are misleading a bit. A lot of the sacks Burrow takes are on him.

True, but I feel as the season has gone on he’s had to use his legs and great off script play to bail out have sacks that really should have been there, so works both ways for me.

[KoryMac5]

Bachie tore his ACL...tough ending for the kid.

[WrongVerb]

Depleted LB corps going against Mark Andrews could get ugly.

[bucksfan2]

Line isn't great, but the sack #s are misleading a bit. A lot of the sacks Burrow takes are on him.

Burrow seems like a guy who is going to be more inclined to hold the ball in the pocket longer. I doubt he will ever a Brady like QB with a quick release who can get buy with a porous offensive line. The Bengals are going to have to invest in the OLine.

[KoryMac5]

Depleted LB corps going against Mark Andrews could get ugly.

I think Lou had Flowers on him last time they played which may be the strategy going forward...

[Sea Ray]

Burrow seems like a guy who is going to be more inclined to hold the ball in the pocket longer. I doubt he will ever a Brady like QB with a quick release who can get buy with a porous offensive line. The Bengals are going to have to invest in the OLine.

Brady has never had a porous O line

[Sea Ray]

Depleted LB corps going against Mark Andrews could get ugly.

The next week vs Travis Kelce will likely be even worse. Every good team has a threat at TE

[WrongVerb]

The one thing I don't see the Bengals have on defense is a truly dynamic playmaker. That's what they need to focus on in the draft. And honestly, the Bengals have enough depth on the roster now that they could probably afford to trade up in the first few rounds to secure those types of players. I would target a DT with the first pick, moving up to nab him if necessary.

[KoryMac5]

The one thing I don't see the Bengals have on defense is a truly dynamic playmaker. That's what they need to focus on in the draft. And honestly, the Bengals have enough depth on the roster now that they could probably afford to trade up in the first few rounds to secure those types of players. I would target a DT with the first pick, moving up to nab him if necessary.

Hendrickson is entering into the elite pass rusher category...I also think Reader as far as DT's go is top 5 in the league...BJ Hill is a guy I would like to see resigned long term, what a find he has been. They could use a tackling machine at LB though...I think that might put this D over the edge.

[KoryMac5]

Highest PFF through 14 games...


1️⃣ Joe Burrow, QB- 90.4
2️⃣ D.J. Reader, DI- 81.7
3️⃣ Tee Higgins, WR- 81.4
4️⃣ Joe Mixon, RB- 80.6
5️⃣ Chidobe Awuzie, CB- 80.2

Nice looking list...

[Redsfaithful]

Highest PFF through 14 games...


1️⃣ Joe Burrow, QB- 90.4
2️⃣ D.J. Reader, DI- 81.7
3️⃣ Tee Higgins, WR- 81.4
4️⃣ Joe Mixon, RB- 80.6
5️⃣ Chidobe Awuzie, CB- 80.2

Nice looking list...

Burrow is PFF's #1 QB too now.

The next couple weeks are going to come down to COVID-19 in a lot of cases, so I hope the Bengals catch some luck there.

[Sea Ray]

Since they're cutting way back on testing, C19 should be less of an issue

[UKFlounder]

Charlie Goldsmith on Twitter:

The Bengals announced that practice squad wide receiver Pooka Williams has been suspended for two games without pay for violating the NFL Policy on Performance-Enhancing Substances.

Williams will be eligible to return on Jan. 3.

[Tony Cloninger]

Jeepers not Pooka. Anyone but Pooka.

[Bob Sheed]

Take my eyes but not Pooka.

[WVRed]

I mean he’s not wrong. Other cities have nightclubs, Cincinnati has the Brass Ass:

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/32924799/joe-burrow-believes-low-covid-19-totals-cincinnati-bengals-partly-due-city-lack-nightlife

[CTA513]

I mean he’s not wrong. Other cities have nightclubs, Cincinnati has the Brass Ass:

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/32924799/joe-burrow-believes-low-covid-19-totals-cincinnati-bengals-partly-due-city-lack-nightlife

Didn't stop former Bengals from going out and getting into trouble.

[Ohayou]

I suspect he's only joking, but Burrow's personality makes me think he's definitely not a bar or club guy lol. Wouldn't surprise me if he didn't drink at all.

[texasdave]

Three Bengals make the Pro Bowl roster: https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/32918868/2022-nfl-pro-bowl-rosters-afc-nfc-bucs-tom-brady-gets-record-15th-selection

[Reds Freak]

Three Bengals make the Pro Bowl roster: https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/32918868/2022-nfl-pro-bowl-rosters-afc-nfc-bucs-tom-brady-gets-record-15th-selection

Good to see you back, texasdave.

[KoryMac5]

Doubtful status on Lamar...we will see if he gets in work today.
Huntley is challenging as he gets the ball out quicker than Jackson plus he only looks for short and intermediate routes which is exactly what the Jets did to the Bengals.

Should be interesting chess match between Lou and Greg Roman. I would think they put Tre Flowers on Andrews all game. Tre is a bigger safety/corner type...and Andrews is a beast.

I like what the Bengals have found in Markus Bailey...fast, smart lb who flies all over the field.

[KoryMac5]

Fred Johnson DNP with illness might be back to Prince who has held up well.
Mike Thomas to CV 19

[KoryMac5]

Paul Dehner on asking Hendrickson what it means to make the Pro Bowl...


“I always try to take the positives out of things,” Hendrickson said. “I don’t really look into the negative. I’m not really motivated by negative feedback. I was more excited to prove the Brown family correct. I was more excited to wear the logo that believed in me, that’s the Cincinnati Bengals. I was more excited to have the opportunity to rush for a guy like Marion Hobby, Lou Anarumo and Mark Duffner and show them they got a guy they can say, ‘We are proud of him.’ That means more to me, when they came up and told me they were proud, than any negative media. If I did my job, I knew the pieces would fall in place.”

[WrongVerb]

Baltimore Ravens expected to start Tyler Huntley vs. Cincinnati Bengals despite non-COVID-19 illness, source says (https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/32934634/baltimore-ravens-expected-start-tyler-huntley-vs-cincinnati-bengals-non-covid-19-illness-source-says)


Tyler Huntley is expected to start against the Cincinnati Bengals despite not practicing Friday with a non-COVID-19 illness, according to a source.

Huntley would start in place of Lamar Jackson, who hasn't practiced the past two weeks because of an injured right ankle. The Ravens have officially listed Huntley and Jackson as questionable.

This would mark Huntley's third career start, but none has been as important as Sunday's game in Cincinnati, where the Ravens (8-6) and Bengals (8-6) are battling for first place in the AFC North. With a victory, Baltimore would have a 67% chance of winning the AFC North, according to ESPN's Football Power Index. The Ravens' chances of capturing the division plummet to 8.5% if they lose to the Bengals.

[KoryMac5]

Merry Christmas to all...my Christmas wish for all of you is a Bengal Playoff victory.

Zac Taylor my wish for you...unleash Joe Burrow on Sunday! The Ravens can't stop the pass...Packers would have blown them out had they kept throwing the football. they gained 9.9 yds per completion last Sunday...3.8 per rush.

[UKFlounder]

Huntley is now on the Covid list per Ian Rapoport


#Ravens QB Tyler Huntley is headed to the COVID-19 reserve list, per me and @AKinkhabwala. Sick yesterday, now on the list today. He’s out for Sunday.


Baltimore Ravens expected to start Tyler Huntley vs. Cincinnati Bengals despite non-COVID-19 illness, source says (https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/32934634/baltimore-ravens-expected-start-tyler-huntley-vs-cincinnati-bengals-non-covid-19-illness-source-says)

[WrongVerb]

Huntley is now on the Covid list per Ian Rapoport


#Ravens QB Tyler Huntley is headed to the COVID-19 reserve list, per me and @AKinkhabwala. Sick yesterday, now on the list today. He’s out for Sunday.

Wow. Just saw that alert on my phone. They don't stand a chance.

[WVRed]

Wow. Just saw that alert on my phone. They don't stand a chance.

This is the same team who made Mike White look like the second coming of Brett Favre. Who’s to say that doesn’t happen with Josh Johnson?

And yes, Josh Johnson who played one game for the Jets earlier this year was signed off the practice squad by Baltimore and is expected to start tomorrow.

[WrongVerb]

This is the same team who made Mike White look like the second coming of Brett Favre. Who’s to say that doesn’t happen with Josh Johnson?

And yes, Josh Johnson who played one game for the Jets earlier this year was signed off the practice squad by Baltimore and is expected to start tomorrow.

The problem is that Johnson has had no time to practice with the starters. Timing will be off. And I'd bet dollars to donuts that Johnson doesn't have a firm grasp on the playbook, either. I expect the Ravens to offset that by running the ball most of the time.

[WrongVerb]

I'm actually a little shocked they haven't pushed the game back to Tuesday.

[KoryMac5]

I can see lamar going all Willis Reed...if he is questionable I could see him trying to play.

[KoryMac5]

Lamar out...wow...Must win game for Bengals.

[membengal]

If they can’t beat old friend josh Johnson they don’t deserve the playoffs at any rate…

[Reds Freak]

Lamar out...wow...Must win game for Bengals.

Part of me wishes Lamar was 100%. These are the types of ridiculous games the Bengals have lost in the history of this franchise.

[ScotlandRed]

Reader out for tomorrow on COVID list.

[KoryMac5]

Part of me wishes Lamar was 100%. These are the types of ridiculous games the Bengals have lost in the history of this franchise.

What better way to dispel those ghosts with a big win tomorrow.

[Todd Gack]

What better way to dispel those ghosts with a big win tomorrow.

It's getting to the point where the Ravens might be better off sitting some of their guys who are banged up or questionable and get ready for LAR. Their defense is absurdly thin. But, dems the breaks.

[UKFlounder]

Nm -it was already mentioned. My bad

[Todd Gack]

Is this a “must win” for the Bengals, especially for the playoffs?

With the state of health of Baltimore? Of course.

[Kingspoint]

This is the same team who made Mike White look like the second coming of Brett Favre. Who’s to say that doesn’t happen with Josh Johnson?

And yes, Josh Johnson who played one game for the Jets earlier this year was signed off the practice squad by Baltimore and is expected to start tomorrow.

Because this isn't Cleveland, it's Cincinnati! They've learned from that mistake this year.

[Bob Sheed]

Because this isn't Cleveland, it's Cincinnati! They've learned from that mistake this year.

Yeah, if the Bengals come out and rush 4 all game, letting the opposing QB run the offense like he has a red shirt on and these are just practice squad drills...

Then they deserve to get beat.

[The Operator]

How the hell did Burrow avoid that sack on the opening play?

Wow.

[The Operator]

Another drive stalls out.

[The Operator]

You’ve gotta be kidding me LOL.

Bengals challenge alleging Baltimore has 12 on the field. Turns out Bengals also have 12 men on the field.

Hahaha

[The Operator]

Josh Johnson doing a pretty good Mike White impression so far.

[The Operator]

Soooo many people around the internet laughed at The Ravens starting Josh Johnson.

He just absolutely carved this defense up on the opening drive. 7-3 Ravens.


NEVER underestimate a nobody quarterback against The Cincinnati Bengals.

[KoryMac5]

Johnson has been around the league...you don't hang around if you aren't capable. That being said can he do it for an entire game.

[The Operator]

False start by Boyd coming out of an injury timeout? Yikes.

[KoryMac5]

Ravens keep adding to their injuries...I would throw the rest of the game.

[The Operator]

Beautiful catch at the sidelines by Chase.

[The Operator]

Zac’s red zone play calling continues to be baffling but Mixon finally punches it in on 4th & goal.

[KoryMac5]

Nice drive...I think they could score every time down...need to put pressure on Baltimore to be perfect today.

[The Operator]

Got lucky there. Fumbled snap by Johnson forces a punt.

[The Operator]

Boyd!!!!!!


Hopefully no penalty on the flip into the end zone but I’ll take the 63 yard score!

[The Operator]

Scratch that, 68 yards apparently.

17-7 Bengals

[Kilgore_Trout]

Boyd!!!!!!


Hopefully no penalty on the flip into the end zone but I’ll take the 63 yard score!

Sprints 70 yards then flips into the endzone… these folks are just built differently.

[KoryMac5]

They have no secondary...throw the ball 60 times today!

[KoryMac5]

Burrow is playing out of his mind today...

[The Operator]

Defense has given up two huge 3rd & long conversions on this drive.


And another missed INT, likely a pick 6, this time Vonn Bell. Bengals have to lead the league on those.

[The Operator]

Another conversion for 28 yards on 3rd & 10.

Whatever Lou is dialing up on 3rd down ain’t working right now.

[KoryMac5]

Defense has given up two huge 3rd & long conversions on this drive.


And another missed INT, likely a pick 6, this time Vonn Bell. Bengals have to lead the league on those.

There is a reason these guys play safety and not wide receiver...very frustrating to let loose of 6 pts.

[WrongVerb]

Another conversion for 28 yards on 3rd & 10.

Whatever Lou is dialing up on 3rd down ain’t working right now.

They're attacking the linebackers on those plays.

[Hillsdale87]

3rd down defense is pathetic. Inexcusable to allow Josh Johnson to march down the field like that. I don't understand how they look worse against Mike White, Baker, and Josh Johnson than against Lamar, Rodgers, etc.


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[UKFlounder]

Bengals defense was a godsend to the Jets and now to the depleted Ravens.

[The Operator]

Really need to March down for another TD here heading into halftime.


Ravens get the ball to start 3rd quarter and it’s still very much a ballgame.

[The Operator]

Practice squad defender comes through untouched and demolishes Burrow.

He already leads the league in sacks (last I checked) and he has evaded sooo many others. Ugh.

[The Operator]

Higgins you magnificent beast!!!


Wow!

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That was a catch. That’s a catch.

You cannot overturn that.

[The Operator]

They got it right. Good call.

[KoryMac5]

Keep dialing it up they can't cover the Trio...

[The Operator]

Touchdown!!!

Needed that.

[KoryMac5]

Touchdown!!!

Needed that.

As much as we are banging on the D...The offense has been perfect today.

[The Operator]

Burrow with 299 passing yards heading to halftime. Most of any QB before halftime this year.


I’m sure Tua and Herbert would both have at least 500, though.

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As much as we are banging on the D...The offense has been perfect today.

They have been a lot of fun to watch. Caught a little break with a very close call on that defensive holding call to wipe out an INT, but they’ve been very good.

[WrongVerb]

Practice squad defender comes through untouched and demolishes Burrow.

He already leads the league in sacks (last I checked) and he has evaded sooo many others. Ugh.

I'm thinking that one might have been on Burrow. They were wide set. And Burrow's got to recognize the potential blitzer and bring Evans back to protect.

[The Operator]

31-14 lead at the half.

Keep your foot on the gas in the 2nd half, boys.

[The Operator]

I'm thinking that one might have been on Burrow. They were wide set. And Burrow's got to recognize thed potential blitzer and bring Evans back to protect.

That’s certainly possible.

Some of y’all are much better than I am at recognizing that stuff in real time.

I’m more of a “sack = bad” kinda guy. :laugh:

[WrongVerb]

That was a fantastic catch by Higgins, to hold on like that.

[The Operator]

That was a fantastic catch by Higgins, to hold on like that.

He has really stepped up as the season has gone on and teams have started taking away Chase on a lot of plays.


Chase/Higgins/Boyd is a really nice receiver corps.

[membengal]

I still have to pinch myself that I am not dreaming and that Joe burrow is this team’s qb.

[texasdave]

Sprints 70 yards then flips into the endzone… these folks are just built differently.

In football gear. :eek:

[KoryMac5]

That was a fantastic catch by Higgins, to hold on like that.

Agree nice throw by Burrow but even better catch by Higgins.

[The Operator]

In football gear. :eek:

I heard someone say once that about 95% of regular people wouldn’t be able to walk under their own power after most of the hits these guys take.

The more I watch, the more I think it’s probably true. These men are freaks… in a good way.

[The Operator]

Another conversion given up on 3rd down.

[The Operator]

Hendrickson with sack #14.

The streak continues!

[The Operator]

Force a punt. Nice.

[The Operator]

Stupid taunting penalty on Chase.

Ugh.

[Hillsdale87]

What a pathetic taunting call


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[KoryMac5]

You see what Chase just did every single week in the NFL...be consistent with the calls.

[KoryMac5]

Taylor being aggressive is nice to see

[KoryMac5]

That drive took forever...Bengals headed into the 4th now...

[UKFlounder]

19 play drive, more than 10 minutes and they don’t even get in the end zone. At least they got 3, but a TD would have been nice

[The Operator]

A rare kickoff mistake from McPherson goes out of bounds.

Ravens start at the 40 after a FG made it 34-14 Bengals.

[RiverRat13]

Kelce is going to have 200 yards next week.

[The Operator]

Johnson marching them right down the field again.

Thank god the offense has 34 on the board.

[KoryMac5]

Kelce is going to have 200 yards next week.

Andrews and Kittle have carved Lou up...I would expect KC with Kelce and Cleveland with Hooper to follow suit.

[KoryMac5]

Baltimore has a heck of a coaching staff to be keeping this one close...especially with all of the injuries and CV 19 cases.

[KoryMac5]

Burrow with 299 passing yards heading to halftime. Most of any QB before halftime this year.


I’m sure Tua and Herbert would both have at least 500, though.

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They have been a lot of fun to watch. Caught a little break with a very close call on that defensive holding call to wipe out an INT, but they’ve been very good.

Burrow might get to 500 today...439 right now.

[The Operator]

Higgins!!!

Loved staying aggressive on that drive.

[The Operator]

Burrow might get to 500 today...439 right now.

I’m sure we’ll still be schooled at some point about how much better Tua and/or Justin Herbert are. Lol.

[KoryMac5]

They have been moving Chase around a bit for the first time this season...

[oregonred]

Yep. All passes. Guess Zac learned Mixon can't break a tackle today and Baltimore can't stop #9.

[RiverRat13]

That might be my favorite drive of the year.

[KoryMac5]

Yep. All passes. Guess Zac learned Mixon can't break a tackle today and Baltimore can't stop #9.

It's been the book on Baltimore all season you can throw freely on them but they are really stout against the run...

[KoryMac5]

Wink said not to put the gold jacket on Joe just yet...that an the Pro Bowl snub may have been motivation for Burrow.

Also the Black uniforms today are pretty sweet.

[membengal]

This is LSU burrow . This is what I was so desperate to tank for all those threads ago.

[KoryMac5]

The Chargers laying an egg vs Houston does nothing but help the Bengals...

[The Operator]

Turnover on downs! With great field position at the BAL 34.


Punch this right in for another TD.

[oregonred]

Joe is still just 13 months off surgery and looks better and more poised in the pocket each week

[WrongVerb]

The Chargers laying an egg vs Houston does nothing but help the Bengals...

Came here to say this. Huge.

[oregonred]

Odd time for Zac to be aggressive but I guess at least breaking tendency.

[The Operator]

Another covid replacement defender wallops Burrow.

As much s I want points he probably should be short for staying in this game.

[oregonred]

Odd time to be aggressive. Feed Perine and call it a day...

[The Operator]

Burrow takes another sack.

I cringe every time I see him get hit.

[schmidty622]

Threw a buck at Burrow 320+ Yards, 27+ Completions, at least 4 Tds. -7300. Not bad!

[The Operator]

Boyd!!!!

32 yard jump ball TD!!!!


Wow.

[KoryMac5]

Came here to say this. Huge.

Whoever played Rex Burkhead in DFS has come up huge...almost 150 yds and 2 TD's

[oregonred]

That will get overturned. Such an odd offensive series when Zac should just be conservative

[KoryMac5]

Joe Burrow is on fire today...this is fun...

[oregonred]

I just don't get exposing Burrow with unnecessary hits in late Dec. This is just atupid.

[KoryMac5]

Herbert just picked 6...Chargers will fall to Houston. They are 8-7 now...

[The Operator]

And it’s overturned. Blech.

- - - Updated - - -

That 3rd and 20 play was truly bizarre.

[KoryMac5]

I just don't get exposing Burrow with unnecessary hits in late Dec
Burrow is not the type to ask off the field but sometimes as a coach you have to weigh health vs records.

[WrongVerb]

And it’s overturned. Blech.

- - - Updated - - -

That 3rd and 20 play was truly bizarre.

Can't figure out if Burrow is more Montana or Favre.

[The Operator]

TV guys jinx McPherson into missing his first FG from 50+.


Very weird offensive series there.

[oregonred]

Terrible coaching there. Health is more important with game in hand. That was bad and lucky it wasn't disastrous.

[The Operator]

INT!!!

They finally managed to hang onto one!!

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Please bring in the backup QB now.


Please.

[The Operator]

Burrow still in the game up 41-21 with 3 minutes left.

I don’t get this.

[oregonred]

Four stress free 2td+ wins over Baltimore and Pitt in the same year. Crazy :)

[Redsfaithful]

I love this thread. It doesn't matter what happens, there are always people in here complaining.

Amazing to watch Joe Burrow absolutely own Pittsburgh and Baltimore this year. Onward and upwards.

[RiverRat13]

Feels like this may be payback for Wink throwing a fit last year that the Bengals kicked a FG late to avoid a shutout and the Ravens didn't exactly take the gas off against a depleted Bengals team in Week 17 last year.

Not worth risking Joe for it, though.

[WrongVerb]

Kelce is going to have 200 yards next week.

Kelce didn't test off the covid list, which means he might have it. Not sure what that means for his availability next week, but I have to believe his presence next week isn't assured.

[Redsfaithful]

Burrow sets an NFL record:

https://twitter.com/fbgchase/status/1475208563148611591


Burrow now has 469 yards today, so....

Most passing yards by a QB against a team in a single season:

885 - Joe Burrow against the 2021 Ravens, now the #1 performance ever.

Previously:


Most passing yards by a QB against a team in a single season:

874 - Joe Montana against 1990 Falcons
874 - Dan Marino against 1988 Jets

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Not worth risking Joe for it, though.

Y'all are too worried

[KoryMac5]

I love this thread. It doesn't matter what happens, there are always people in here complaining.

Amazing to watch Joe Burrow absolutely own Pittsburgh and Baltimore this year. Onward and upwards.

Have to give the Offense an A today...love moving Chase around.

[The Operator]

Deep pass to Mixon!

That has to be 500 yards for Burrow.


Yep, 521! WOW.

[WrongVerb]

Burrow with the third most passing yards in NFL history.

[Redsfaithful]

New franchise record for single games passing yards - Joe Burrow.

Watching the greatest quarterback to ever play for the Bengals, right here, right now. Hope everyone is enjoying it.

[The Operator]

Bengals go into victory formation and that’s the game.


What an incredible performance by the offense. Wow.

[UKFlounder]

Nice to win again, taking advantage of a depleted team as they should

Next week will be tough, but if they could finally get 3 in a row, it would be a great time.

[The Operator]

New franchise record for single games passing yards - Joe Burrow.

Watching the greatest quarterback to ever play for the Bengals, right here, right now. Hope everyone is enjoying it.

There’s a dude who will still drop by to tell us how they should have drafted Tua or Herbert. Never fails. Every week.

[UKFlounder]

Clinched a winning season

[Reds Freak]

There’s a dude who will still drop by to tell us how they should have drafted Tua or Herbert. Never fails. Every week.

Nah, no way he pops in the thread today. Wait until he throws a pick next week and he'll trip over himself running to the laptop to post.

[oregonred]

This is way too ahead of the horse, but is there a path to the #1 seed winning out the next two weeks.

Assuming NE loses to Buffalo today, KC loses twice and Tenn loses another game.

The fact we can even talk about that on Dec 26th after the last two seasons is insane...

[Reds Freak]

This is way too ahead of the horse, but is there a path to the #1 seed winning out the next two weeks.

Assuming NE loses to Buffalo today, KC loses twice and Tenn loses another game.

The fact we can even talk about that on Dec 26th after the last two seasons is insane...

You'd almost need to have Steelers beat the Chiefs today, which I have no interest in seeing.

[Larkin90]

Great game by Burrow today!

[WrongVerb]

Mahomes is 21-0 in November and December. Good thing the Bengals play him in January.

[The Operator]

You'd almost need to have Steelers beat the Chiefs today, which I have no interest in seeing.

Doesn’t look like that’s gonna happen based on what we’re seeing so far. Lol.

[RiverRat13]

Should we talk about how many big plays the Bengals would not have made had Joe just thrown it away like some on here want him to?

[KoryMac5]

Should we talk about how many big plays the Bengals would not have made had Joe just thrown it away like some on here want him to?

His pocket presence is on a different level than earlier in the season...

[KoryMac5]

I thought there was a little extra from Burrow today given what their DC had to say this week.



Bengals QB Joe Burrow said he was aware of Ravens def. coordinator Wink Martindale's comment about not having a gold jacket yet.

Burrow: "I didn't think it was a necessary comment."

[WrongVerb]

I'm calling it. Bengals will make a deep playoff run. Burrow has the same look in his eye as when he dismantled Clemson, and came off the field taking about unfinished business and the following game against Alabama for the Championship. Not sure they have the defense to go all the way, but Burrow can smell it. This is going to be a fun run.

[Kingspoint]

"Merry Christmas, Joe B!"

[Kingspoint]

Clinched a winning season

Want that #2 Seed....home-field first two rounds.

We own most tie-breakers...very possible.

[WVRed]

Great game by Burrow today!

Christmas miracle!

Glad to see you coming around.

[WVRed]

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20211227/b148964771aadb96a81eb2c37bbd4b49.jpg

[membengal]

I think we want Steelers to beat browns next week to take browns off the table. And of course rams to beat ravens. That would set up a ravens win over Steelers in baltimore in week 18 would put us in no matter what. Even if we didn’t win another game.

If they would just go ahead and find a way to KC next week, that would solve a lot of problems.

[Playadlc]

I'm calling it. Bengals will make a deep playoff run. Burrow has the same look in his eye as when he dismantled Clemson, and came off the field taking about unfinished business and the following game against Alabama for the Championship. Not sure they have the defense to go all the way, but Burrow can smell it. This is going to be a fun run.

I’m getting this vibe as well. The Bengals are also flying a little under the radar in terms of media attention, which is a good thing right now I think.

When this team takes care of the football they are incredibly tough to beat.

Also, the Bengals have the best QB “talent” in the AFC not named Mahomes. That plays in January.

[Todd Gack]

I’m getting this vibe as well. The Bengals are also flying a little under the radar in terms of media attention, which is a good thing right now I think.

When this team takes care of the football they are incredibly tough to beat.

Also, the Bengals have the best QB “talent” in the AFC not named Mahomes. That plays in January.

We definitely have most of the tools to do it. Every team has its weaknesses this time of the year but ours are bigger than others. And you guys know I'm definitely more negative about things so let me point out things that disappointed me today in the midst of a game we were supposed to win against the JV Ravens squad.

1) Defense: WTF? We gave up 21 points to Josh Johnson and he actually looked like a competent NFL QB today. Our secondary scares me at times and just general conservative play calling. Lack of blitzes against him were concerning. Mike Hilton seemed to be getting abused today. With that said, you wouldn't even know our MLB has been hurt. Bachie and Bailey have been great.

2) Joey B in the Redzone is starting to worry me. He had another pick there but was bailed out by a terrible call. That would've been his league leading 4th INT in the Redzone and he's 25th in the NFL in Passing Attempts there. His pass to Uzomah was bad too. I feel like teams are starting to figure us out with our recent struggles there. Joe seems to force more there PLUS Zac is just a terrible playcaller when it matters so it's a combination of bad things.

3) OL: Another 3 sacks given up today. 2 of them to DL who got their first sacks of the season and 1 of those guys was just signed off the practice squad. Ugggh. We were lucky Joe escaped a couple more PLUS 1 sack was negated because of penalty that had no effect on the play.

4) Zac's Playcalling: I feel like Zac has the propensity to prove that he's smarter than everybody. We can be moving the ball with ease down the field by passing or running and then he just mixes things up in the RZ for no apparent reason. I've always been a "If it ain't broke, don't fix it" style but obviously Zac hasn't figured that out yet. His playcalling improved as game went on because he realized just how bad the Ravens defense was, but I mean, come on. . . it wasn't really that hard to make playcalls today.

[dubc47834]

Can we slow down on the Joe B as the best QB in franchise history. He is having a great season and if he continues to progress is trending that way for sure. Let him win a playoff game 1st before he gets anointed. I do think they have a very good to great QB.

[Todd Gack]

His pocket presence is on a different level than earlier in the season...

I partially agree. He did escape a lot of tackles today running directly into guys so it's hard to say how much but it's definitely improved a little.

[Playadlc]

Can we slow down on the Joe B as the best QB in franchise history. He is having a great season and if he continues to progress is trending that way for sure. Let him win a playoff game 1st before he gets anointed. I do think they have a very good to great QB.

I’m not slowing down on it. Barring crazy injuries, I think he’s a lock to be the greatest Bengals QB of all-time.

[Bob Sheed]

Now that was another fun game to watch.

[oregonred]

17943

That is crazy. 21 and 22 years old with a franchise QB in his second season

[GAC]

Can we slow down on the Joe B as the best QB in franchise history. He is having a great season and if he continues to progress is trending that way for sure. Let him win a playoff game 1st before he gets anointed. I do think they have a very good to great QB.

It was a great game to watch. Especially embarrassing a division opponent like Baltimore. And I'm glad Burrows had a great game. And don't anyone take this as a slght on Burrow's ability; but the Ravens were without their top CBs, starting safety, a top pass-rusher and two starting defensive linemen. And on the offensive side they had to start their 3rd string QB, a 35 yr old Johnson they signed to the practice squad a week earlier. The Ravens are running on fumes. I was getting a little bummed out watching the Bengal's defense allow him to throw for 300+ yds and 2 TDs (1 INT)(98.3 RTG) and put 21 points on the board.

After watching the other games of play-off contending teams, I'd say the Bengals have a solid shot to go deep into the play-offs in the AFC, and yes, could reach the SB. In the AFC, IMO, the Chiefs, who are on fire right now, hitting on all cylinders, are the team to beat. And KC comes to Cincy next week. Gutsy win by the Bills over the Pats yesterday, even being short handed due to Covid. Covid has had such a huge impact this year on team's rosters it's hard to predict anything because you could wake up next week and have 12 players entering covid protocols. This varient is more contagious, but far less serious as far as extent of the sickness.

But looking at the division leaders, their respective strengths/weaknesses? ... oh yeah, the Bengals have a shot.

[dubc47834]

It was a great game to watch. Especially embarrassing a division opponent like Baltimore. And I'm glad Burrows had a great game. And don't anyone take this as a slght on Burrow's ability; but the Ravens were without their top CBs, starting safety, a top pass-rusher and two starting defensive linemen. And on the offensive side they had to start their 3rd string QB, a 35 yr old Johnson they signed to the practice squad a week earlier. The Ravens are running on fumes. I was getting a little bummed out watching the Bengal's defense allow him to throw for 300+ yds and 2 TDs (1 INT)(98.3 RTG) and put 21 points on the board.

After watching the other games of play-off contending teams, I'd say the Bengals have a solid shot to go deep into the play-offs in the AFC, and yes, could reach the SB. In the AFC, IMO, the Chiefs, who are on fire right now, hitting on all cylinders, are the team to beat. And KC comes to Cincy next week. Gutsy win by the Bills over the Pats yesterday, even being short handed due to Covid. Covid has had such a huge impact this year on team's rosters it's hard to predict anything because you could wake up next week and have 12 players entering covid protocols. This varient is more contagious, but far less serious as far as extent of the sickness.

But looking at the division leaders, their respective strengths/weaknesses? ... oh yeah, the Bengals have a shot.

I agree with this take. The Bengals and Burrow are playing really well right now. Next week will be a really good test to see where the Bengals fall with the great teams of the AFC. They have a shot to make a deep run, but I do think it would take an awful lot to happen for them to make and even win the SB. But barring injuries, the Bengals are set up pretty good for at least the next few years. They have a good young team.

[ScotlandRed]

17943

That is crazy. 21 and 22 years old with a franchise QB in his second season

Bengals gonna have a top 5 Qb, 2 top 10 WR and a top 5 RB for next 6/7 years

[GAC]

I agree with this take. The Bengals and Burrow are playing really well right now. Next week will be a really good test to see where the Bengals fall with the great teams of the AFC. They have a shot to make a deep run, but I do think it would take an awful lot to happen for them to make and even win the SB. But barring injuries, the Bengals are set up pretty good for at least the next few years. They have a good young team.

It's basically the same situation - and one can say this about anyone I guess - of which Bengal's team shows up next week? I think this is one of most talented Bengal teams in recent history. Match-up vs KC? I think the Bengals, as far as talent goes, match up quite well. IMO, I'll take Burrow's arm vs Mahome's. Especially throwing down field. I good part of Reid's offense is the short dumps and intermediate passing game (front of coverage) or short crossing patterns. And it's a successful formula. That will be a test for the Bengal's ML's and secondary.

The Bengals played a solid game vs GB earlier in the season. Lost 25-22. GB then lost a tight one to KC 13-7. I personally think this GB team is over-rated. So we'll see. Which HC has, and executes, his game plan? Who out coaches who? A solid test for the young Bengal's coach. Both the Bengal's and KC's "woe" is their pass defense. Both bottom tier. An edge that the Bengals may hold, and hopefully can exploit, is in the running game. GB's run D is so-so, allowing 116 yds/G, while the Bengals is top tier.

[dubc47834]

It's basically the same situation - and one can say this about anyone I guess - of which Bengal's team shows up next week? I think this is one of most talented Bengal teams in recent history. Match-up vs KC? I think the Bengals, as far as talent goes, match up quite well. IMO, I'll take Burrow's arm vs Mahome's. Especially throwing down field. I good part of Reid's offense is the short dumps and intermediate passing game (front of coverage) or short crossing patterns. And it's a successful formula. That will be a test for the Bengal's ML's and seccondary.

The Bengals played a solid game vs GB earlier in the season. Lost 25-22. GB then lost a tight one to KC 13-7. I personally think this GB team is over-rated. So we'll see. Which HC has, and executes, his game plan? Who out coaches who? A solid test for the young Bengal's coach. Both the Bengal's and KC's "woe" is their pass defense. Both bottom tier. An edge that the Bengals may hold, and hopefully can exploit, is in the running game. GB's run D is so-so, allowing 116 yds/G, while the Bengals is top tier.

I know this may sound crazy, but KC's defense will present the biggest challenge for the Bengals next week. Weather won't be an issue as KC plays outside as well.

[Tony Cloninger]

It is exciting. So was 2005. So was what became the 5 year playoff run. We just hope the FO does all it can to help this team take the next steps to maintain the winning. I’m just enjoying all of it. Hopefully they can get a playoff win to put that issue to bed.

[WrongVerb]

Bengals win and they're in the playoffs.

If they lose next, they still won't have secured a playoff spot. BTW, here's a neat little tool (https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2021/upshot/cincinnati-bengals-nfl-playoff-picture.html) that you can waste too much time figuring out different playoff scenarios for next week.

[RiverRat13]

The Ravens beat the Bengals 38-3 last year in Week 17. The Bengals had practice squad defensive tackles, neither of their starting corners, guys they signed off the street at guard, no Burrow, no Hopkins, no Mixon, and Higgins got injured in the first quarter. So yeah, I don't think anyone with the Bengals wants to hear the Ravens crying about who they didn't have yesterday.

[KoryMac5]

By this time Sunday I am thinking the Bengals will be tired of hearing how they are supposed to lose to KC Sunday..

Burrow and the boys will need a chip on their shoulders...

[Redsfaithful]

Can we slow down on the Joe B as the best QB in franchise history.

no

[dubc47834]

no

:lol: OK...just sayin...he hasn't played a full season yet. hasn't even won a playoff game yet. Both are good chances to happen this year, but dang.

[KoryMac5]

Highest-graded #Bengals in Week 16 (min. 25 snaps):

1️⃣ Tee Higgins, WR- 91.0
2️⃣ Joe Burrow, QB- 89.9
3️⃣ Vonn Bell, S- 88.9
4️⃣ Ja’Marr Chase, WR- 82.3
5️⃣ Eli Apple, CB- 72.5

[KoryMac5]

:lol: OK...just sayin...he hasn't played a full season yet. hasn't even won a playoff game yet. Both are good chances to happen this year, but dang.

Being a Bengals fan is so doom and gloom and for good reason, however it is nice to see the excitement about Burrow starting to churn. Well deserved. Next week is another measuring stick though...

[dubc47834]

Being a Bengals fan is so doom and gloom and for good reason, however it is nice to see the excitement about Burrow starting to churn. Well deserved. Next week is another measuring stick though...

For sure...I'm not trying to poo poo on his parade. I'm just saying Bengals fans should probably slow down some. I get it, the kid just threw for the 4th most passing yards in a game in league history. That takes a ton of talent, but that also takes a really crappy defense. I've repeatedly said the Bengals future is bright.

[KoryMac5]

Brandon Allen placed on Covid list...yikes!

[WVRed]

So let’s assume the Bengals win or back their way in over the next two weeks.

Who do you want to play and who do you not want to play?

The one team I want to avoid is Indianapolis. Colts are on fire right now.

Realistically I’d like to see them play Pittsburgh or Baltimore again but it’s hard to beat a team three times.

The Patriots would be intriguing. Mac Jones vs our defense. Burrow vs Belichick. I have a feeling it will be the Pats or Bills.

[Fil3232]

For sure...I'm not trying to poo poo on his parade. I'm just saying Bengals fans should probably slow down some. I get it, the kid just threw for the 4th most passing yards in a game in league history. That takes a ton of talent, but that also takes a really crappy defense. I've repeatedly said the Bengals future is bright.

He’s the highest graded QB in the NFL. The future is now. There’s no reason not to be excited. Burrow is the most talented QB to ever wear stripes, that’s not getting ahead of ourselves—it’s just a fact.

[Redsfaithful]

Brandon Allen placed on Covid list...yikes!

If we have to have an outbreak, I guess I hope it's this week. The Browns game is more important, and we really don't want it to happen in the playoffs.

[Redsfaithful]

So let’s assume the Bengals win or back their way in over the next two weeks.

Who do you want to play and who do you not want to play?

The one team I want to avoid is Indianapolis. Colts are on fire right now.

Realistically I’d like to see them play Pittsburgh or Baltimore again but it’s hard to beat a team three times.

The Patriots would be intriguing. Mac Jones vs our defense. Burrow vs Belichick. I have a feeling it will be the Pats or Bills.

I honestly don't care, they can beat anybody (and lose to anybody.)

This is so different from the Andy Dalton years where I'd sweat out the last few weeks hoping they'd avoid tough teams in the playoffs.

Bring it on. The best this team is capable of playing is good enough to beat anyone.

[Wonderful Monds]

Joe Burrow (25): 4,165 yards

Joe Mixon (25): 1,159 yards

Ja'Marr Chase (21): 1,163 yards

Tee Higgins (22): 1,029 yards

The Bengals are the first team in NFL history to have a 4,000-yard passer, 1,000-yard rusher and 2 1,000-yard receivers all 25 or younger in the same season.

https://twitter.com/FieldYates/status/1475451900594114562?s=20


Blew my mind that Mixon and Burrow are the same age

[WrongVerb]

He’s the highest graded QB in the NFL. The future is now. There’s no reason not to be excited. Burrow is the most talented QB to ever wear stripes, that’s not getting ahead of ourselves—it’s just a fact.

I mean, who are they going to select ahead of him? Boomer? Palmer? Blake? The only one you could reasonably make an argument for is Anderson, and my guess is Burrow eclipses even him, if he hasn't already.

[KoryMac5]

If I am Lou I put a corner on Kelce all game...

Fun fact from Twitter


Eli Apple continues to rise up and play great football for the #Bengals.

Since they returned from the bye in Week 11, among CBs, Apple ranks:

��- PFF Coverage Grade (88.6)
��- NFL Passer Rating Against (11.0)
��- Catch Rate Per Target (35%)

[Redsfaithful]

Eli Apple is a real feather in the cap for the Bengals coaching staff. The talent was always there.

[KoryMac5]

Eli Apple is a real feather in the cap for the Bengals coaching staff. The talent was always there.

Reminds me a lot of when Terrance Newman came here and Zimmer really coached him up...extended his career another 5-6 yrs.

[Oxilon]

Reminds me a lot of when Terrance Newman came here and Zimmer really coached him up...extended his career another 5-6 yrs.

Newman definitely had a rebirth of his career here but he had some really good years with Dallas to begin with. If anything, I feel Reggie Nelson may be a better comp. High pick who flamed out at Jacksonville to only find success under Zimmer a few years later.

[Wonderful Monds]

Palmer was pretty talented. I think it was in 05, he was consistently ranked a top 3 QB alongside Brady and Manning. I think he had HOF talent had the knee injury not snowballed into a host of other issues for him.

[WVRed]

Palmer was pretty talented. I think it was in 05, he was consistently ranked a top 3 QB alongside Brady and Manning. I think he had HOF talent had the knee injury not snowballed into a host of other issues for him.

It’s scary how much that offense parallels to this one:

QB-Palmer/Burrow
RB-Rudi, Perry/Mixon, Perine, and Evans
WR-Ocho, Houshmanzadeh, Henry/Chase, Huggins, Boyd

A lot of people forget Chris Perry led the NFL in catches for a RB that year. Palmer getting Kimoed and Dalton getting hurt ten years later are probably the biggest what might have beens in this programs history.

[Sea Ray]

It’s scary how much that offense parallels to this one:

QB-Palmer/Burrow
RB-Rudi, Perry/Mixon, Perine, and Evans
WR-Ocho, Houshmanzadeh, Henry/Chase, Huggins, Boyd

A lot of people forget Chris Perry led the NFL in catches for a RB that year. Palmer getting Kimoed and Dalton getting hurt ten years later are probably the biggest what might have beens in this programs history.

The might have beens go much further. Krumrie's broken leg in the Super Bowl, Stanley Wilson is another and of course Greg Cook

[GAC]

The Ravens beat the Bengals 38-3 last year in Week 17. The Bengals had practice squad defensive tackles, neither of their starting corners, guys they signed off the street at guard, no Burrow, no Hopkins, no Mixon, and Higgins got injured in the first quarter. So yeah, I don't think anyone with the Bengals wants to hear the Ravens crying about who they didn't have yesterday.

Exactly. A lot of teams have been hurt by Covid (protocols) this season. The reason why so many are flirting with .500, when more was expected?

[KoryMac5]

Peter King's latest column is out some really good stuff on the Colts, Josh Allen, and Joe Burrow....


https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2021/12/27/colts-covid-josh-allen-bills-nfl-week-16-fmia-peter-king/?cid=fmiatw

[Kingspoint]

Bengals have a severe outbreak of COVID running through the team.

[Kingspoint]

Exactly. A lot of teams have been hurt by Covid (protocols) this season. The reason why so many are flirting with .500, when more was expected?

NO. Not at all.

The "league" has gotten progressively worse just as cities have exponentially week after week for the last six weeks. It's at a major crisis level right now.

[GAC]

NO. Not at all.

I didn't say all did I? ;)

It shouldn't be at crisis level if people, our leadership, were actually listening to, and following, the science when it comes to this varient omnicron, whose symptoms are the same as a seasonal flu, and pretty mild overall. That's why the NFL revised (loosened) it's protocols.


Bengals have a severe outbreak of COVID running through the team.

I can't find any news on this?

[KoryMac5]

I didn't say all did I? ;)

It shouldn't be at crisis level if people, our leadership, were actually listening to, and following, the science when it comes to this varient omnicron, whose symptoms are the same as a seasonal flu, and pretty mild overall. That's why the NFL revised (loosened) it's protocols.



I can't find any news on this?

Brandon Allen was the only one I saw...Taylor said Burrow would not even test this week due to no symptoms and being vaccinated. Reader was down last week but I would think he will be back this week. Other than that the Bengals are relatively healthy...knock on wood.

[bucksfan2]

I mean, who are they going to select ahead of him? Boomer? Palmer? Blake? The only one you could reasonably make an argument for is Anderson, and my guess is Burrow eclipses even him, if he hasn't already.

Boomer was better, and at this point I don't think its even close. NFL MVP, 4X Pro Bowler (when it actually mattered), took the team to the Super Bowl. Lets pump the brakes on calling Burrow the franchises best QB.

Both Boomer and Anderson played in a completely different era. I think Burrow will set every Bengal franchise record, but comparably he needs to become a HOF level QB to be the best franchise QB.

[Hypnotoad]

Every time things have come up roses for the Bengals this season, things then turn around start coming up Milhouse, so that makes me nervous.

If they do make the playoffs, *then* Covid will hit, taking at a minimum Burrow out. That would be very Bengal-ish.

[Redsfaithful]

comparably he needs to become a HOF level QB to be the best franchise QB.

That's his level of play this year, the only thing that's going to derail this train is if he gets catastrophically injured.

[dubc47834]

That's his level of play this year, the only thing that's going to derail this train is if he gets catastrophically injured.

You mean another injury like the one he's already had!

[Redsfaithful]

You mean another injury like the one he's already had!

Joe is Iron Man, it would take something Joe Theisman-ish

[dubc47834]

Joe is Iron Man, it would take something Joe Theisman-ish

OK...hopefully we don't have to find out. I wouldn't wish that on anyone.

[bucksfan2]

That's his level of play this year, the only thing that's going to derail this train is if he gets catastrophically injured.

The same stuff was being said about Palmer early on in his career. The brakes need to be pumped a little bit as I still think Burrow has some developing to do. He needs to limit the mistakes, he needs to cut back on his INT's. As mentioned before, he threw a bad pick in the endzone right before the half that was wiped out by a holding call on the DB. He has a couple of those poor throws where he needs to pocket the ball or throw it away. His pocket presence is getting better but that is an area where he needs to get better. That should come with reps.

He has it in him to be great. He has it in him to be a top tier QB year in year out. IMO he has put himself in the conversation as the best young QB with Herbert and Allen. And I think each franchise is happy with their guy.

I am interested to see what he does against the Chiefs. I think a guy like Burrow always gives you a punchers chance in games against better teams. And with a WR corps that they have, they always have a shot.

[RedEye]

The same stuff was being said about Palmer early on in his career. The brakes need to be pumped a little bit as I still think Burrow has some developing to do. He needs to limit the mistakes

Agree that we need to be cautious with projections, but the analytics picture says that his apparent "mistakes" have often been due to factors outside of his control. He has at least 5 INT (I think) that were caused by teammates more than his own errors or misjudgment -- the ridiculous one Chase bobbled against LA the most obvious. There have also been four or five dropped TD passes. If he was at 35 TD and 9 or 10 INT I don't think we are having the same conversation. Over the past five weeks, he's been the best passer in the NFL in almost every category. His adjusted completion percentage is like 80% over that span. That's ridiculous.

Nothing is guaranteed moving forward and I'm not ready to really compare him to Bengals greats of the past. Not career-wise anyway. But give this guy better pass protection, and the sky is the limit for what he can do. Listening to the Athletic podcast, I liked what PDJ said about the BAL game. It looked like LSU vs. Texas Tech! He is an absolute assassin.


I am interested to see what he does against the Chiefs. I think a guy like Burrow always gives you a punchers chance in games against better teams.

For sure. Great match-up. I don't think I've seen a Bengals QB who seems to relish the spotlight more. Palmer was just okay after flashing big time in 2005. Dalton folded every time -- we always had to find excuses for his performance. Boomer had a few years where he was "that dude"; always regretted that trade and the abrupt transition to Klingler. I was too young to really see Kenny perform in his prime.

Let's see what this kid's got next week. Gonna be fun!

[KoryMac5]

The same stuff was being said about Palmer early on in his career. The brakes need to be pumped a little bit as I still think Burrow has some developing to do. He needs to limit the mistakes, he needs to cut back on his INT's. As mentioned before, he threw a bad pick in the endzone right before the half that was wiped out by a holding call on the DB. He has a couple of those poor throws where he needs to pocket the ball or throw it away. His pocket presence is getting better but that is an area where he needs to get better. That should come with reps.

He has it in him to be great. He has it in him to be a top tier QB year in year out. IMO he has put himself in the conversation as the best young QB with Herbert and Allen. And I think each franchise is happy with their guy.

I am interested to see what he does against the Chiefs. I think a guy like Burrow always gives you a punchers chance in games against better teams. And with a WR corps that they have, they always have a shot.

After the last few seasons I can see the excitement and it is nice to watch it build here...Burrow actually makes me feel we have a chance against KC. I feel he lives for moments like this.

Kid has quite the chip on his shoulder. I like the fire.

[Tony Cloninger]

Unbelievable to think they could lose these 2 games while Pittsburgh could still beat Cleveland and Baltimore. And win the freaking division

[dubc47834]

Agree that we need to be cautious with projections, but the analytics picture says that his apparent "mistakes" have often been due to factors outside of his control. He has at least 5 INT (I think) that were caused by teammates more than his own errors or misjudgment -- the ridiculous one Chase bobbled against LA the most obvious. There have also been four or five dropped TD passes. If he was at 35 TD and 9 or 10 INT I don't think we are having the same conversation. Over the past five weeks, he's been the best passer in the NFL in almost every category. His adjusted completion percentage is like 80% over that span. That's ridiculous.

Nothing is guaranteed moving forward and I'm not ready to really compare him to Bengals greats of the past. Not career-wise anyway. But give this guy better pass protection, and the sky is the limit for what he can do. Listening to the Athletic podcast, I liked what PDJ said about the BAL game. It looked like LSU vs. Texas Tech! He is an absolute assassin.



For sure. Great match-up. I don't think I've seen a Bengals QB who seems to relish the spotlight more. Palmer was just okay after flashing big time in 2005. Dalton folded every time -- we always had to find excuses for his performance. Boomer had a few years where he was "that dude"; always regretted that trade and the abrupt transition to Klingler. I was too young to really see Kenny perform in his prime.

Let's see what this kid's got next week. Gonna be fun!

For the most part, I think the interception numbers are about what he is right now. Sure there are some that were out of his control, but there are also some that were negated by penalty or whatever other kind of ways they can be called back. I certainly hope that he ends up being as great as you Bengal fans think he is going to be. My father is a huge Bengals fan, and at his age, would love to see them have some good years. Next week will be a good test for sure. KC's defense has been really good lately.

[ScotlandRed]

For the most part, I think the interception numbers are about what he is right now. Sure there are some that were out of his control, but there are also some that were negated by penalty or whatever other kind of ways they can be called back. I certainly hope that he ends up being as great as you Bengal fans think he is going to be. My father is a huge Bengals fan, and at his age, would love to see them have some good years. Next week will be a good test for sure. KC's defense has been really good lately.

This is why his PFF grade is so high though IMO, that’s probably not the case. Some people don’t like PFF but I think for QB’s is really good. I don’t think he’s been QB1 in the NFL but he’s been a lot better than his TD/INT ratio suggests.

[KoryMac5]

Unbelievable to think they could lose these 2 games while Pittsburgh could still beat Cleveland and Baltimore. And win the freaking division

as bad as they have been this year that defense and running game kept them in games...

[WVRed]

Unbelievable to think they could lose these 2 games while Pittsburgh could still beat Cleveland and Baltimore. And win the freaking division

Conversely Cleveland could do the same thing (beat Pittsburgh and Cincinnati).

[KoryMac5]

If you want to beat KC on Sunday you have to contain Kelce as to me he drives that offense...I am wondering if Lou throws Waynes at him. Waynes is a bigger corner who likes to play physical and is still a good tackler.

Conversely Spagnola is an old Jim johnson disciple from his Philly days and likes to bring heat...He will definitely try and expose the weaknesses in our line for sure.

[Redsfaithful]

The same stuff was being said about Palmer early on in his career.

It was accurate too, Palmer just couldn't get back to that level after the injury. He was still very good though.

Burrow is better than either version of Palmer, but it's close with 2005.

[GAC]

IMO ... looking at your QB and the weapons he has ... it would behoove Bengal's management/coaching staff to keep emphasis on maintaining a strong offensive line. And that includes your bench (reserve) strength. It's really important to have strong reserves too when it comes to your line. Not just to cover an injury if it occurs; but a coach can give players a break, make substitutions that help keep their starters fresher as the game progresses. They are also confident that "substitute" can do an adequate job while in their.

Don't be afraid, if necessary, to spend to maintain that offensive line to protect those valuable assets.

[KoryMac5]

Burrow quote...


“This is the NFL,” Burrow told PFT after the game by phone. “This isn’t peewee, this isn’t high school where you go out and run up the score. You play until the final whistle. I don’t care what the score is. We’ve been in spots where teams go out and do that to us. They did it to us last year. No sympathy from me.”

[WVRed]

IMO ... looking at your QB and the weapons he has ... it would behoove Bengal's management/coaching staff to keep emphasis on maintaining a strong offensive line. And that includes your bench (reserve) strength. It's really important to have strong reserves too when it comes to your line. Not just to cover an injury if it occurs; but a coach can give players a break, make substitutions that help keep their starters fresher as the game progresses. They are also confident that "substitute" can do an adequate job while in their.

Don't be afraid, if necessary, to spend to maintain that offensive line to protect those valuable assets.

How’d that work out for the Browns?

I don’t disagree with you btw but at some point other areas on the team are going to need to be addressed. The Vikings are a perfect example. They’ve invested heavily in the OL there the last 3-4 years and Kirk Cousins isn’t any better for it.

[oregonred]

The great thing about Burrow's development is that I don't even worry about 2021. It's remains a bonus year as far as I am concerned.

The future is crazy bright as long as Joey is at the helm and healthy.

[Sea Ray]

If you want to beat KC on Sunday you have to contain Kelce as to me he drives that offense...I am wondering if Lou throws Waynes at him. Waynes is a bigger corner who likes to play physical and is still a good tackler.

Conversely Spagnola is an old Jim johnson disciple from his Philly days and likes to bring heat...He will definitely try and expose the weaknesses in our line for sure.

The Chiefs had no problem with Pittsburgh w/o Kelce

[KoryMac5]

The Chiefs had no problem with Pittsburgh w/o Kelce

Pitts laid down and died that game...not sure if I would use that game as a measuring stick.

[KoryMac5]

Pratt is in the CV 19 protocol...huge hit to the LB room...he could possibly clear with 2 negative tests by Sun but it is doubtful.

[WrongVerb]

NFL Rumors
@nflrums

The #Chiefs are expected to get TE Travis Kelce back from the COVID-19 list today.
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[Redsfaithful]

Pratt is in the CV 19 protocol...huge hit to the LB room...he could possibly clear with 2 negative tests by Sun but it is doubtful.

KC is going to be able to score at will I think. If DJ Reader could come back that would help, but I expect KC to score 30-40+ on Sunday.

The Browns game is looming pretty large.

[Sea Ray]

KC is going to be able to score at will I think. If DJ Reader could come back that would help, but I expect KC to score 30-40+ on Sunday.

The Browns game is looming pretty large.

Agree 100%

[membengal]

On a potential good news front - Logan Wilson dressed out and practiced today.

[KoryMac5]

KC is going to be able to score at will I think. If DJ Reader could come back that would help, but I expect KC to score 30-40+ on Sunday.

The Browns game is looming pretty large.

An old fashioned AFC shoot out...Taylor said he was optimistic about the rest of the guys on the COVID list today...so I am hopeful for Reader

[RiverRat13]

Pratt is terrible in coverage, so his loss may not be felt as much this week as it would against Cleveland.

[WVRed]

Without doing the simulators…

If the Bengals drop the next two games, do they still make the playoffs with help or do they have to win at least one to get in?

[Hillsdale87]

Without doing the simulators…

If the Bengals drop the next two games, do they still make the playoffs with help or do they have to win at least one to get in?

They could still get in. I think they need Steelers to beat Browns, Ravens to lose to Rams, and then Ravens to beat Steelers in week 18


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[Redsfaithful]

Without doing the simulators…

If the Bengals drop the next two games, do they still make the playoffs with help or do they have to win at least one to get in?

Really don't see them losing to the Browns. I may even lay some money depending on Covid and whatever the line ends up being.

[BuckeyeRed27]

Without doing the simulators…

If the Bengals drop the next two games, do they still make the playoffs with help or do they have to win at least one to get in?

They can’t win the division, but it looks like if the Chargers lose once and the Colts lose both, Bengals are the WC if they lose out. Colts play Jacksonville last though so…

[WVRed]

Another thought:

Bengals and Browns flexed to SNF if the division isn’t wrapped up?

[Boss-Hog]

They can’t win the division, but it looks like if the Chargers lose once and the Colts lose both, Bengals are the WC if they lose out. Colts play Jacksonville last though so…I believe they'd win the division with two losses if the Steelers beat the Browns, the Rams beat the Ravens and the Ravens beat the Steelers. That'd put the Bengals and Ravens at 9-8, the Steelers at 8-8-1 and the Browns at 8-9. The Bengals would have the head to head tiebreaker over the Ravens. Otherwise, I believe that's the only way they can win the division while losing out; as was mentioned, they could sneak in as a wild card with two losses, but the odds wouldn't be in favor of that. Regardless, I'm pretty confident in saying we want to root for the Steelers over the Browns next Monday, as that would eliminate the Browns from the playoff hunt, and they'd have a lot less to play for vs. the Bengals in week 18.

[membengal]

They could still get in. I think they need Steelers to beat Browns, Ravens to lose to Rams, and then Ravens to beat Steelers in week 18


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That is correct. The key in there is the Monday night Browns/Steelers game really.
Browns are favored there.