Hue Jackson suggests he was paid extra for losses as Browns head coach

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Hue Jackson suggests he was paid extra for losses as Browns head coach (https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2022/02/02/hue-jackson-suggests-he-was-paid-extra-for-losses-as-browns-head-coach/)


Former Dolphins coach Brian Flores alleges Dolphins owner Stephen Ross offered him $100,000 per loss during the 2019 season in order to ensure the team would wind up with the first overall pick and former Browns coach Hue Jackson made similar allegations in response to Flores’ lawsuit going public on Tuesday.

Jackson responded to a tweet about the case by saying Browns owner Jimmy Haslam “was happy while we kept losing” and then wrote “trust me it was a good number” in response to someone who said Haslam wasn’t offering $100,000 per loss. Jackson, who is now the head coach at Grambling, went 1-31 over his first two seasons with the Browns and was fired after a 2-5-1 start in 2018.

[Bob Sheed]

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Hue Jackson, ladies and gentlemen...

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Leader of MEN.

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[UKFlounder]

If so,he must be a billionaire…

[KronoRed]

Of course, probably happens in all the major sports by teams that tank.

[Larry Schuler]

Holy…

…is that why Devin Mesoraco was benched?

:eek:

[Stray]

Properly tanking (whether we were trying or not) got us Joe Burrow. Improperly tanking got the Dolphins Tua (bad pick). I'm not saying I'm for professional sports teams tanking, I'm just saying I freaking love that Joe Burrow is our QB.

[Sea Ray]

Joe Burrow is definitely worth tanking for.

As for Hue Jackson, it appears he's looking for an excuse for his abysmal record

[Boston Red]

He was really good at that job.

[texasdave]

He should be in high demand as a coach by the next team that decides it is going the tanking route.

OR

He coulda been a contendah!

[GAC]

He keeps cuttin' his own throat. Sad.

[RedTeamGo!]

Hue Jackson is full of ****

[BuckeyeRed27]

Hue Jackson is full of ****

He probably is, but given some of the ways they lost, does make you wonder.

[bm1475]

Holy…

…is that why Devin Mesoraco was benched?

:eek:

There's people on here who know... but they'll never, ever tell you.

[Bob Sheed]

If the Dolphins would have lost v Bengals, they would have gotten Burrow.

Then who would the Bengals have taken? Tua probably, right?

I don't think Tua takes us to the Super Bowl...

I remember that game. Neither team was tanking in my opinion. But just think about how that one game altered the trajectory of the Bengals and the Dolphins. And Brian Flores. Look where he is now. With Burrow, maybe he's a coach of the year candidate.

Life is funny. Where's the lesson here? Flores should have kissed the ring, taken the 100k installments, and selected Burrow? Because from my view of the room, his life got a lot worse because of his virtue. I guess that's not really funny now that I think about it.

[Sea Ray]

Hue Jackson is full of ****

It sounds like Hue is now kinda backing off those statements. It doesn't sound like the Browns management did anything improper

[Bob Sheed]

It sounds like Hue is now kinda backing off those statements. It doesn't sound like the Browns management did anything improper

It's no coincidence that the name "Hue" sounds like steam escaping.

[kaldaniels]

Hue doing an amazing job of making Jimmy Haslam look like the good/sane guy. Few can do that.

[GAC]

He probably is, but given some of the ways they lost, does make you wonder.

Or he just was terrible HC material? Endless list of Coordinators who excelled at that, whether offense or defense ... and that's where they probably should have stayed. Good example - Dick LaBeau.

"A man's got to know his limitations"

[bucksfan2]

I fully believe that the QB decision, benching Baker to start the season, was from the FO. I do think they thought they were a year away, and wanted the highest draft pick they could get.

Hue is a good OC, probably deserves another shot there, and probably isn't HC material, but he was the Browns coach as they were accumulating talent, and building the team that most believe is one of the more talented teams in the NFL.

[RedTeamGo!]

Goodness, Haslam straight up murdered Hue in an interview:


Cleveland Browns owner Jimmy Haslam told Knox News on Thursday former coach Hue Jackson was never paid to lose games. Jackson insinuated he was to cover up his failure as an NFL coach, Haslam said.

“Hue Jackson has never ever accepted any responsibility for our record during that time period,” Haslam said in an exclusive interview. “He’s been masterful at pointing fingers but has never accepted any blame. I have accepted a ton of blame, and rightfully so.

"There are a lot of things I could’ve done better. Hue has never accepted blame for one thing.”

“I can’t think of any individual that I’ve worked with over the past 45 years that I spent as much time trying to help be successful as I did Hue Jackson,” Haslam said. “His third year, when our roster began to pretty dramatically improve, the eight games he coached we were 2-5-1. After Hue was dismissed, we went 5-3.”

https://www.knoxnews.com/story/sports/college/university-of-tennessee/2022/02/03/jimmy-haslam-hue-jackson-paid-lose-cleveland-browns-brian-flores-lawsuit/6653752001/

[RiverRat13]

I can believe Brian Flores. I don't believe Hue.

Had the Bengals beaten the Dolphins, they still would have only had 2 wins to Miami's 3. That loss clinched the 1st pick but they could have thrown Tank Commander Finley back out there against the Browns had they beaten the Dolphins.

[WVRed]

If the Dolphins would have lost v Bengals, they would have gotten Burrow.

Then who would the Bengals have taken? Tua probably, right?

I don't think Tua takes us to the Super Bowl...

I remember that game. Neither team was tanking in my opinion. But just think about how that one game altered the trajectory of the Bengals and the Dolphins. And Brian Flores. Look where he is now. With Burrow, maybe he's a coach of the year candidate.

Life is funny. Where's the lesson here? Flores should have kissed the ring, taken the 100k installments, and selected Burrow? Because from my view of the room, his life got a lot worse because of his virtue. I guess that's not really funny now that I think about it.

I think it’s Herbert over Tua in an alternate reality world where Miami had the first pick.

And to be honest, I don’t know if I will ever buy that the Dolphins were willing to go full Ricky Williams to get Burrow. Before that season played out and Burrow took off Tua was the next big thing and was pegged to Miami to the point I think they were elated to get him at 5.

If SoP wouldn’t take what the Saints were offering back then for what ended up being Akili Smith on the Bengals end there’s no way he would have entertained the notion of trading a semi local product when fan support was in the toilet at the time.

[KoryMac5]

I think it’s Herbert over Tua in an alternate reality world where Miami had the first pick.

And to be honest, I don’t know if I will ever buy that the Dolphins were willing to go full Ricky Williams to get Burrow. Before that season played out and Burrow took off Tua was the next big thing and was pegged to Miami to the point I think they were elated to get him at 5.

If SoP wouldn’t take what the Saints were offering back then for what ended up being Akili Smith on the Bengals end there’s no way he would have entertained the notion of trading a semi local product when fan support was in the toilet at the time.

Too much smoke around that though lots of published reports that they were willing to part with 3 1sts to get Burrow as Ross the owner fell in love with him Burrow...Thankfully The Bengals hung up the phone. Rappaport had the initial report on this and he is usually pretty reliable.

[757690]

In an TV interview Hue Jackson says he has receipts about intentional tanking and will be providing them shortly. He has said that he was never paid to lose, but that losing was part of a 4 year plan.

[JaxRed]

In an TV interview Hue Jackson says he has receipts about intentional tanking and will be providing them shortly. He has said that he was never paid to lose, but that losing was part of a 4 year plan.

Sounds like Hue was blowing smoke.

[GAC]

In an TV interview Hue Jackson says he has receipts about intentional tanking and will be providing them shortly. He has said that he was never paid to lose, but that losing was part of a 4 year plan.

You get a receipt for intentional tanking? I thought it was just a 15 yard penalty and automatic 1st down? LOL

He sounds like a vey bitter man who has burned any bridges that may have existed for him to get another chance in the NFL.

[Sea Ray]

It's no secret Hue Jackson suffered from mental issues during his time with the Browns. I'm not buying anything he says until I see his evidence

[traderumor]

I feel like the only winners in all this, as most disputes, will be the attorneys for the various sides. Win, lose, or draw, the billable hours clock will be ticking.

[757690]

You get a receipt for intentional tanking? I thought it was just a 15 yard penalty and automatic 1st down? LOL

He sounds like a vey bitter man who has burned any bridges that may have existed for him to get another chance in the NFL.

I’m neutral on all this. The receipts Jackson claimed to have are official complaints he made about it the league that were ignored. If he can provide those, it does change the conversation.

[GAC]

I’m neutral on all this. The receipts Jackson claimed to have are official complaints he made about it the league that were ignored. If he can provide those, it does change the conversation.

And since he made that accusation, he's been given the opportunity to bring that evidence forth, and he has yet to do so, and is back-tracking on some of the stuff he said.

As far as I'm concerned, his standing as a human being feel somewhat even more with me. Why? If what he says is true- and this is a pretty serious accusation - then, IMO, he's simply a cohort in a "crime" who decided to turn squealer when it was convenient, in his mind, to do so. He took the money, complied with their supposed directives, and purposely threw games. His conscience didn't seem to bother him then.

I saw this guy coach in Cleveland for three years, and the talent he had to work with. He wasn't throwing anything intentionally. LOL

He was given the opportunity to be a head coach, knew he was going into a very difficult environment of losing in Cleveland ... and failed MISERABLY to make any headway at all.

After this ... I doubt any NFL owner will hire him for even a coordinator job. Would you? I wouldn't.

[757690]

And since he made that accusation, he's been given the opportunity to bring that evidence forth, and he has yet to do so, and is back-tracking on some of the stuff he said.

As far as I'm concerned, his standing as a human being feel somewhat even more with me. Why? If what he says is true- and this is a pretty serious accusation - then, IMO, he's simply a cohort in a "crime" who decided to turn squealer when it was convenient, in his mind, to do so. He took the money, complied with their supposed directives, and purposely threw games. His conscience didn't seem to bother him then.

I saw this guy coach in Cleveland for three years, and the talent he had to work with. He wasn't throwing anything intentionally. LOL

He was given the opportunity to be a head coach, knew he was going into a very difficult environment of losing in Cleveland ... and failed MISERABLY to make any headway at all.

After this ... I doubt any NFL owner will hire him for even a coordinator job. Would you? I wouldn't.

If I were a Browns fan, I would feel the same way about Jackson. Another benefit of not being a Browns fan, lol.

My guess is that Flores is hoping that Jackson doesn’t join his lawsuit, and just silently goes away.

[Sea Ray]

And since he made that accusation, he's been given the opportunity to bring that evidence forth, and he has yet to do so, and is back-tracking on some of the stuff he said.

As far as I'm concerned, his standing as a human being feel somewhat even more with me. Why? If what he says is true- and this is a pretty serious accusation - then, IMO, he's simply a cohort in a "crime" who decided to turn squealer when it was convenient, in his mind, to do so. He took the money, complied with their supposed directives, and purposely threw games. His conscience didn't seem to bother him then.

I saw this guy coach in Cleveland for three years, and the talent he had to work with. He wasn't throwing anything intentionally. LOL

He was given the opportunity to be a head coach, knew he was going into a very difficult environment of losing in Cleveland ... and failed MISERABLY to make any headway at all.

After this ... I doubt any NFL owner will hire him for even a coordinator job. Would you? I wouldn't.

He didn't do well with the talent he had in Oakland either

[GAC]

He didn't do well with the talent he had in Oakland either

But at least he had a .500 record (8-8) to show for it. But Oakland must have saw something because they didn't retain him. He did a solid job in Cincy, and was seen as a future HC candidate. I remember many Bengal fans were lamenting losing both him and Zimmer from their coachng rank, and wanted one of them to replace Marvin. And at that time it seemed a reasonable aproach, seeing the coaching success both had in Cincy, and many felt Lewis was past his time, didn't have the passion he once had.

Again, all one can say is that some excel at coordinating then head coaching. Though Zimmer wasn't awful at Minnesota. Just couldn't get over the hump (so to speak).

[BuckeyeRed27]

Jackson seems to be alluding to a more 76ers “process” type tanking. The team wasn’t actively going after top free agents and looking to get cap room and high picks. So in the sense that they weren’t exactly trying to put the best team on the field, I suppose he has a point, but lots of teams do that and it doesn’t mean they are actively trying to lose each Sunday, just are more likely to do so. That’s not what Flores is accusing Ross of doing.

[GAC]

Jackson seems to be alluding to a more 76ers “process” type tanking. The team wasn’t actively going after top free agents and looking to get cap room and high picks. So in the sense that they weren’t exactly trying to put the best team on the field, I suppose he has a point, but lots of teams do that and it doesn’t mean they are actively trying to lose each Sunday, just are more likely to do so. That’s not what Flores is accusing Ross of doing.

I agree. Just read a good article where there's sound reason as to why Flores, while he mentioned many names in that suit, didn't mention Jackson. And why he also didn't ask Jackson to be a part of his lawsuit.

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2022/02/06/brian-flores-should-not-want-hue-jackson-to-join-the-lawsuit/

[bucksfan2]

Jackson seems to be alluding to a more 76ers “process” type tanking. The team wasn’t actively going after top free agents and looking to get cap room and high picks. So in the sense that they weren’t exactly trying to put the best team on the field, I suppose he has a point, but lots of teams do that and it doesn’t mean they are actively trying to lose each Sunday, just are more likely to do so. That’s not what Flores is accusing Ross of doing.

IMO the Browns made the prudent decision after a decade plus of being an embarrassment. As I have said before, I think the FO said to sit Baker to start the season, thinking they could rack up some losses, get a better draft pick, and really start to compete the next season.

FWIW in 2019, the season after they fired Jackson, they started to make big time moves, ie trading for OBJ.

[GAC]

IMO the Browns made the prudent decision after a decade plus of being an embarrassment. As I have said before, I think the FO said to sit Baker to start the season, thinking they could rack up some losses, get a better draft pick, and really start to compete the next season.

FWIW in 2019, the season after they fired Jackson, they started to make big time moves, ie trading for OBJ.

Hiring Andrew Berry as GM and Executive VP in '20 was a very prudent move.