2022 NFL Season

[Boston Red]

Going for two after scoring to go up 7? Odd choice. And makes you say hmmm when the spread is 7.5.

[Boston Red]

Another one. Wild.

[The Operator]

Zac Taylor must be coaching for The Raiders tonight.

Had a chance to tie the game with an extra point kick and instead miss on a 2-point conversion trying to grab a lead.


What on earth.

[Boston Red]

Raiders are gonna win now.

Well, they should have. If their receivers didn't interfere with each other on 4th down. Lol

[The Operator]

Always take the points.

[The Operator]

Zac Taylor watching the game end saying to himself “Oh thank god maybe they’ll talk about someone else now.”

[The Operator]

Davante Adams knocked over some sort of member of the press on his way back to the locker room.


Classy.

[Boston Red]

Davante Adams knocked over some sort of member of the press on his way back to the locker room.


Classy.

Adams will definitely get a hefty fine. A suspension should accompany that fine.

[Tony Cloninger]

Maybe football analytics do not work as well compared to baseball.

And Jack Lambert once said something that now would be considered political incorrect about protecting QB. And we’ll they are well pass that. They are so worried about what people will say over an outlier situation. You might as well put flags on QB

[WVRed]

Maybe football analytics do not work as well compared to baseball.

And Jack Lambert once said something that now would be considered political incorrect about protecting QB. And we’ll they are well pass that. They are so worried about what people will say over an outlier situation. You might as well put flags on QB

I know this is horrible to say but I think it needs to be said.

Relax the rules, don’t protect the QB, let them suffer major injuries compared to the rest of the league, and let the market correct itself.

If Patrick Mahomes or Deshaun Watson suffered a career ending injury teams would be hesitant to offer ridiculous contracts. Will never happen but it would fix a lot.

[Kingspoint]

I know this is horrible to say but I think it needs to be said.

Relax the rules, don’t protect the QB, let them suffer major injuries compared to the rest of the league, and let the market correct itself.

If Patrick Mahomes or Deshaun Watson suffered a career ending injury teams would be hesitant to offer ridiculous contracts. Will never happen but it would fix a lot.

Yep. It's still a business. Risk/Reward.

But, then the NFL says to themselves, what kind of ratings are we going to get when it's Fields vs Wentz?

[Sea Ray]

I know this is horrible to say but I think it needs to be said.

Relax the rules, don’t protect the QB, let them suffer major injuries compared to the rest of the league, and let the market correct itself.

If Patrick Mahomes or Deshaun Watson suffered a career ending injury teams would be hesitant to offer ridiculous contracts. Will never happen but it would fix a lot.

They don't want games being played with a bunch of backup QBs. That makes for bad football...but calls like that one on Brady doesn't protect anyone. It's BS.

[Tony Cloninger]

I know this is horrible to say but I think it needs to be said.

Relax the rules, don’t protect the QB, let them suffer major injuries compared to the rest of the league, and let the market correct itself.

If Patrick Mahomes or Deshaun Watson suffered a career ending injury teams would be hesitant to offer ridiculous contracts. Will never happen but it would fix a lot.


Well I always go back to quoting Airplane!

They bought their tickets. They know what sport they are playing. They knew what they were getting into.

I don’t condone Keith Gary twisting Ken Anderson head Exorcist style in 1983. But this is very bad over correction.

[Tony Cloninger]

They don't want games being played with a bunch of backup QBs. That makes for bad football...but calls like that one on Brady doesn't protect anyone. It's BS.

The reply by Brady also chaps my hide. You don’t throw the flag? You constantly have cried for it on several occasions in the past. Always lobbying for it. You kick out at this player and should have been called for it and you were already asking the official about the flag. Thinking it was on him. This guy can’t retire fast enough. Had enough of him.

[Kingspoint]

...

[Chip R]

I know this is horrible to say but I think it needs to be said.

Relax the rules, don’t protect the QB, let them suffer major injuries compared to the rest of the league, and let the market correct itself.

If Patrick Mahomes or Deshaun Watson suffered a career ending injury teams would be hesitant to offer ridiculous contracts. Will never happen but it would fix a lot.

I'd actually go the other way. Similar to the intentional grounding rule, I would equip QBs with flags and if a defender pulls it off while he's in the the tackle box, it's a sack. However, if the QB ventures outside the tackle box, he's fair game and subject to no more protection than a running back or a wide receiver. Furthermore, the QB cannot run past the line of scrimmage at any time. Penalty is the same as intentional grounding: Yardage and loss of down. It protects the QB as long as he remains in the pocket. But it makes it easier to sack him and unless the defense goes all Turkey Jones on the QB, he can be sacked without a penalty being called. Also, the defense doesn't have to treat him like a running back.

[Slyder]

I'd actually go the other way. Similar to the intentional grounding rule, I would equip QBs with flags and if a defender pulls it off while he's in the the tackle box, it's a sack. However, if the QB ventures outside the tackle box, he's fair game and subject to no more protection than a running back or a wide receiver. Furthermore, the QB cannot run past the line of scrimmage at any time. Penalty is the same as intentional grounding: Yardage and loss of down. It protects the QB as long as he remains in the pocket. But it makes it easier to sack him and unless the defense goes all Turkey Jones on the QB, he can be sacked without a penalty being called. Also, the defense doesn't have to treat him like a running back.

Well this kills any value/entertainment guys like Jalen Hurts/Kyler Murray brings. I do like WVRed had. Same general principle as goalkeepers in soccer. If they venture out into the field their the same as the rest.

[Boston Red]

Furthermore, the QB cannot run past the line of scrimmage at any time.

I don't think the Ravens are going to vote for this proposed rule change.

[Rojo Rijo]

Davante Adams knocked over some sort of member of the press on his way back to the locker room.


Classy.

Adams has been charged with misdemeanor assault.

[Boston Red]

Fourth degree assault in Missouri is a Class C Misdemeanor and includes the following: "The person knowingly causes physical contact with another person knowing the other person will regard the contact as offensive or provocative." It also includes "The person attempts to cause or recklessly causes physical injury, physical pain, or illness to another person."

Adams is probably guilty, and the max fine is $1,000. He's obviously not getting a year in prison.

[Kingspoint]

They could easily charge him with 3rd degree Assault.

Adams has the best attorneys in the world and that's all that matters here.

Nothing will happen.

[Kingspoint]

Initially reported as a misdemeanor assault charge, Adams is actually facing a city ordinance violation, Ian Rapoport of NFL.com tweets. This checks in a bit below misdemeanor assault. It carries a $250-$1K fine and/or up to 180 days in jail.

[Bob Sheed]

When the punishment for something is just money... it's not illegal. It's just a matter of whether you can afford the buy-in or not. :dunno:

[WVRed]

New ESPN report on Snyder.

Is there anything in it we didn’t already know?

[The Operator]

Cannot wait for this Bears-Commanders game tonight.

Gonna be epic.

[KronoRed]

Bears looking good at least, like the Orange.

[Boston Red]

Just checked the score....yeah, glad I'm not watching!

[The Operator]

Has there ever been a scoreless game at the end of regulation?

Asking for a friend.

[redhawkfish]

11/7/43

Giants vs. Lions

[Assembly Hall]

Da Bears!


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[The Operator]

A touchdown!

[Boston Red]

Finally a TD, and Amazon very nearly missed it!

[Assembly Hall]

A touchdown!

Will it be enough for the Bears?


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[Boston Red]

Lol. Funny ending.

[The Operator]

A do not understand some of these plays where you throw the ball short of the target on crucial downs.

That’s the ballgame.

[RichRed]

My team is such a trash heap from top to bottom, it’s hard to even feel good when they win anymore.

[The Operator]

It’s refreshing to hear “sell the team” chants somewhere other than GABP.

[Boston Red]

Sell the team chant is funny. I don't care about the Bears, but I'd appreciate it if someone committed to downtown bought the team and the wonderful Arlington Race Course reopened.

[RichRed]

Nm

[757690]

That was without a doubt the worse, most poorly played, most boring Thursday Night Football game since last Thursday Night’s game.

[bucksfan2]

I am a big Fields fan, pretty obvious, but what the Bears have done to him is malpractice. Guys has no weapons, none, nil. They trade up for the guy, then on a team with no offensive weapons, they go defense with their first two picks in this past draft.

[Sea Ray]

I am a big Fields fan, pretty obvious, but what the Bears have done to him is malpractice. Guys has no weapons, none, nil. They trade up for the guy, then on a team with no offensive weapons, they go defense with their first two picks in this past draft.

He does have no weapons but he also appears slow to process things. Ohio State QBs generally struggle in the NFL for many reasons

1) They're rarely challenged at OSU. Most games are blowouts
2) There's very little reading the defense. The OSU athletes are so superior to their opposition, the receivers easily beat the defenders. Guys are either wide open or they break tackles for bigtime YAC
3) If your guy isn't really open, throw it up for grabs anyway. Chances are your guy is a superior athlete to the Illinois, Indiana, Northwestern etc etc guy.
4) Your athleticism in the Big Ten plays very well. Not so much in the NFL

If Fields can overcome that, he'll be the first OSU QB to do so. He has that deer in the headlights look right now

If Fields

[Assembly Hall]

He does have no weapons but he also appears slow to process things. Ohio State QBs generally struggle in the NFL for many reasons

1) They're rarely challenged at OSU. Most games are blowouts
2) There's very little reading the defense. The OSU athletes are so superior to their opposition, the receivers easily beat the defenders. Guys are either wide open or they break tackles for bigtime YAC
3) If your guy isn't really open, throw it up for grabs anyway. Chances are your guy is a superior athlete to the Illinois, Indiana, Northwestern etc etc guy.
4) Your athleticism in the Big Ten plays very well. Not so much in the NFL

If Fields can overcome that, he'll be the first OSU QB to do so. He has that deer in the headlights look right now

If Fields

I don't know about all that stuff, but always wonder why tOSU can't produce a good NFL starting QB? And that is talking going back into 70s.

[Hillsdale87]

He does have no weapons but he also appears slow to process things. Ohio State QBs generally struggle in the NFL for many reasons

1) They're rarely challenged at OSU. Most games are blowouts
2) There's very little reading the defense. The OSU athletes are so superior to their opposition, the receivers easily beat the defenders. Guys are either wide open or they break tackles for bigtime YAC
3) If your guy isn't really open, throw it up for grabs anyway. Chances are your guy is a superior athlete to the Illinois, Indiana, Northwestern etc etc guy.
4) Your athleticism in the Big Ten plays very well. Not so much in the NFL

If Fields can overcome that, he'll be the first OSU QB to do so. He has that deer in the headlights look right now

If Fields

I think this criticism of OSU QBs is so overplayed. Who is the last OSU QB who came in with high expectations to struggle in the NFL? OSU has primarily had solid/good college QBs but who were never considered NFL prospects. OSU hadn't produced a legit NFL QB prospect before Haskins in 20+ years.

On Fields, I think some of your points are fair to an extent, but largely I think his biggest issue right now (processing speed) was an issue that most evaluators were clear on coming in.

1. Yes, Fields played in a lot of blowouts. He also dominated good competition. The Clemson playoff game is probably one of the best games played by a QB in college football history
2. I actually think this is a little off base. Fields would get to his second and third reads, but the OSU OL was an elite pass blocking unit, and so he had a lot of time to go through his reads. That said, he took some back sacks where he just held the ball in the pocket too long.
3. Maybe, but this would be the case for a QB coming from any top school.
4. Fields' athleticism is playing great in the NFL. Running is where he's finding the most success right now.

IMO it's hard to do a fair evaluation of Fields right now. It certainly doesn't look promising, but I also don't think he's being given a chance to succeed. The biggest issue with him coming out was processing speed, and so whoever drafted him was going to need to help him with scheme early on as he developed. The Bears have given him no help. They've gifted him a terrible OL and the worst receiving corps in the NFL that can't separate. And then they've built an offense that doesn't naturally take advantage of his athleticism. He's certainly flawed, but a good coach would lean into what he does well instead of forcing him into a plan where he's going to struggle.

[Hillsdale87]

I don't know about all that stuff, but always wonder why tOSU can't produce a good NFL starting QB? And that is talking going back into 70s.

It's because until Day they haven't recruited QBs that had the chance to be NFL prospects. It probably should have been a bigger focus in recruiting under Cooper and Tressel, but it's a recruiting issue, not development. Urban wasn't producing NFL QBs either, but he won 3 national championships without a real NFL QB, so he didn't really need one for his offense to succeed. Braxton Miller and Terrelle Pryor were elite prospects, and they were dynamic college players, but it was much more about their athleticism than their quarterbacking skill.

[bucksfan2]

I don't know about all that stuff, but always wonder why tOSU can't produce a good NFL starting QB? And that is talking going back into 70s.

They had some decent guys doing the Cooper years who just peaked out as backup QB's.

But for the most part since Tressel started, OSU wasn't known as a place to develop QB's. Ryan Day has changed that, but off the top of my head, here were the QB's that OSU had:

Bellisari, Krenzel, McMullen, Zwick, Smith, Boeckman, Pryor, Braxton, JT, Cardale, Haskins, Fields, and now Stroud.

I may have missed on or two in there, but until Day got there with Haskins, Fields, and now Stroud, not one of those guys really profiled as a starting NFL QB. I think Pryor was his own worst enemy also had an OC that was terrible. Braxton got hurt, Troy was a little undersized, but the rest (prior to Day) were pretty poor NFL prospects. FWIW Krenzel got a cup of coffee in the NFL as a backup.

I think Cardale, Haskins, and Fields all had a chance at becoming a starting NFL QB. Cardale just got screwed up in 2015 and left after that season. Haskins went to the worst possible place he could have gone, and now Fields is in a dumpster fire in Chicago.

The jury is still out on Day's QB's, but he is getting top tier recruits each and every class. I don't see that slowing down anytime soon as his last three starting QB's would have gone in the 1st round.

[bucksfan2]

I think this criticism of OSU QBs is so overplayed. Who is the last OSU QB who came in with high expectations to struggle in the NFL? OSU has primarily had solid/good college QBs but who were never considered NFL prospects. OSU hadn't produced a legit NFL QB prospect before Haskins in 20+ years.

On Fields, I think some of your points are fair to an extent, but largely I think his biggest issue right now (processing speed) was an issue that most evaluators were clear on coming in.

1. Yes, Fields played in a lot of blowouts. He also dominated good competition. The Clemson playoff game is probably one of the best games played by a QB in college football history
2. I actually think this is a little off base. Fields would get to his second and third reads, but the OSU OL was an elite pass blocking unit, and so he had a lot of time to go through his reads. That said, he took some back sacks where he just held the ball in the pocket too long.
3. Maybe, but this would be the case for a QB coming from any top school.
4. Fields' athleticism is playing great in the NFL. Running is where he's finding the most success right now.

IMO it's hard to do a fair evaluation of Fields right now. It certainly doesn't look promising, but I also don't think he's being given a chance to succeed. The biggest issue with him coming out was processing speed, and so whoever drafted him was going to need to help him with scheme early on as he developed. The Bears have given him no help. They've gifted him a terrible OL and the worst receiving corps in the NFL that can't separate. And then they've built an offense that doesn't naturally take advantage of his athleticism. He's certainly flawed, but a good coach would lean into what he does well instead of forcing him into a plan where he's going to struggle.

I think it was Herbstreit who said it last night, but Chicago's OC is trying to make Fields a pocket passer. One of his best traits is the ability to scramble and use his legs. When you have a terrible OL, the worst WR corps in the game, and you are the leading rusher on your team, it doesn't spell good things to come.

[757690]

I am a big Fields fan, pretty obvious, but what the Bears have done to him is malpractice. Guys has no weapons, none, nil. They trade up for the guy, then on a team with no offensive weapons, they go defense with their first two picks in this past draft.

I think the biggest issue was the Bears rushing Fields, giving him the starting nod just a few games into his rookie season. He needed to spend the first season on the sidelines, learning and adjusting to the NFL game.

If you watch him, you can see the talent is there. He needed time to develop.

[Hillsdale87]

I think it was Herbstreit who said it last night, but Chicago's OC is trying to make Fields a pocket passer. One of his best traits is the ability to scramble and use his legs. When you have a terrible OL, the worst WR corps in the game, and you are the leading rusher on your team, it doesn't spell good things to come.

Making him a pocket passer is a good and noble goal, but that can't be the only goal. Fields needs to get better in the pocket. But he can be so much more than that. Look at the way the Eagles brought Hurts along. Maximize the existing skill set while developing the deficiencies.

I'm not convinced Fields can be a good NFL QB. But I do think the Bears should make an attempt to get some pieces around him that would allow them to figure it out.

[WVRed]

It's because until Day they haven't recruited QBs that had the chance to be NFL prospects. It probably should have been a bigger focus in recruiting under Cooper and Tressel, but it's a recruiting issue, not development. Urban wasn't producing NFL QBs either, but he won 3 national championships without a real NFL QB, so he didn't really need one for his offense to succeed. Braxton Miller and Terrelle Pryor were elite prospects, and they were dynamic college players, but it was much more about their athleticism than their quarterbacking skill.

Is it fair to compare Ryan Day to Jeff Tedford? The difference is Day hasn’t coached a QB who has lasted in the NFL yet. Tedford finally hit with Aaron Rodgers. Haskins went to the most dysfunctional franchise in pro sports and Fields is starting to look like a bust although not entirely his fault.

You could say the same about Lincoln Riley as well (Baker Mayfield, Kyler Murray, Jalen Hurts) although Riley is looking more successful developing QBs at this point.

[bucksfan2]

Is it fair to compare Ryan Day to Jeff Tedford? The difference is Day hasn’t coached a QB who has lasted in the NFL yet. Tedford finally hit with Aaron Rodgers. Haskins went to the most dysfunctional franchise in pro sports and Fields is starting to look like a bust although not entirely his fault.

You could say the same about Lincoln Riley as well (Baker Mayfield, Kyler Murray, Jalen Hurts) although Riley is looking more successful developing QBs at this point.

The Riley QB's are interesting because Baker has been a bust with one of the most talented rosters in the game. Although I think Baker could take a Jamis Winston path, as a journeyman starting QB.

Kyler went to a good situation with what some people think is an innovative offensive mind.

This is really the first season Hurts as been a quality QB. He was always a great fantasy QB, but it looks like he is turning into a good all around QB. Pederson was thought of as a great offensive mind and his current coach is offensive minded.

The crazy thing with Fields and the Bears is they trade up to get him, yet fail to surround him with any offensive talent. Defensive minded head coach and the worst offensive skill positions in the game, just leads to a tough situation.

[Hillsdale87]

Is it fair to compare Ryan Day to Jeff Tedford? The difference is Day hasn’t coached a QB who has lasted in the NFL yet. Tedford finally hit with Aaron Rodgers. Haskins went to the most dysfunctional franchise in pro sports and Fields is starting to look like a bust although not entirely his fault.

You could say the same about Lincoln Riley as well (Baker Mayfield, Kyler Murray, Jalen Hurts) although Riley is looking more successful developing QBs at this point.

I don't really have enough scheme knowledge to answer that, but from all I've read, Day runs an NFL offense. In general most QBs don't end up working out. The hit rate on first round QBs is well below 50%. Sometimes it's hard to distinguish between the player and the situation. Haskins looks like he was the worst combo of immature guy going to a terrible franchise. Fields is a hard worker in a bad situation, but he certainly has flaws. Could he overcome those in a better situation? I wonder what he'd look like if he was in Jalen Hurts' spot with the Eagles.

[WVRed]

I don't really have enough scheme knowledge to answer that, but from all I've read, Day runs an NFL offense. In general most QBs don't end up working out. The hit rate on first round QBs is well below 50%. Sometimes it's hard to distinguish between the player and the situation. Haskins looks like he was the worst combo of immature guy going to a terrible franchise. Fields is a hard worker in a bad situation, but he certainly has flaws. Could he overcome those in a better situation? I wonder what he'd look like if he was in Jalen Hurts' spot with the Eagles.

Eventually though it’ll reach a point where if you are looking to draft CJ Stroud (or whoever succeeds Stroud) you look at the bust rate Day has in his QBs so far.

It’s kinda like John Calipari or Coach K with the NBA. Yeah they get people drafted but how many of them are actually bonafide stars? Before Kyrie the joke was that Coach K squeezed every inch of talent out of them at Duke before sending the rotting carcass off to the NBA.

I think Day eventually gives the NFL a try. Maybe after he wins a championship but I don’t see him retiring in Columbus.

[bucksfan2]

Eventually though it’ll reach a point where if you are looking to draft CJ Stroud (or whoever succeeds Stroud) you look at the bust rate Day has in his QBs so far.

It’s kinda like John Calipari or Coach K with the NBA. Yeah they get people drafted but how many of them are actually bonafide stars? Before Kyrie the joke was that Coach K squeezed every inch of talent out of them at Duke before sending the rotting carcass off to the NBA.

I think Day eventually gives the NFL a try. Maybe after he wins a championship but I don’t see him retiring in Columbus.

You hear this a lot, especially when talking about the Pats job. I don't know what he is going to do, one thing to consider is his son RJ is 13 or 14, its one of those things where he probably won't leave until RJ is done with HS. And if he wants to play at OSU, that probably delays it a bit longer.

Day has been in Columbus for 6 years now. His two mentors, Urban and Chip Kelly, were both chewed up and spit out in the NFL. Urban was an embarrassment and while Chip had some success, he has been toiling away at UCLA since 2018. Does he eventually leave one of the top 3 jobs in college football for the meat grinder of the NFL? Or does he continue to coach at OSU? We are talking about the same guy who turned down the Miss St job to stay as OSU's OC. That guy who took the Miss St job? Joe Moorhead who is now Akron's head coach.

Day has been in Columbus for 6 years now, and it wouldn't surprise me if he makes it to 20.

[WVRed]

You hear this a lot, especially when talking about the Pats job. I don't know what he is going to do, one thing to consider is his son RJ is 13 or 14, its one of those things where he probably won't leave until RJ is done with HS. And if he wants to play at OSU, that probably delays it a bit longer.

Day has been in Columbus for 6 years now. His two mentors, Urban and Chip Kelly, were both chewed up and spit out in the NFL. Urban was an embarrassment and while Chip had some success, he has been toiling away at UCLA since 2018. Does he eventually leave one of the top 3 jobs in college football for the meat grinder of the NFL? Or does he continue to coach at OSU? We are talking about the same guy who turned down the Miss St job to stay as OSU's OC. That guy who took the Miss St job? Joe Moorhead who is now Akron's head coach.

Day has been in Columbus for 6 years now, and it wouldn't surprise me if he makes it to 20.

It would be easier to agree if he was from Ohio. Woody and Tressel were from the state so it was easy to consider them lifers. Day is from New Hampshire (as you alluded to with the Patriots). The fact that he came from the NFL before coming to Columbus would be a pretty strong pull.

If he doesn’t win a championship and Michigan gets better or if he does win and wants to leave on a high that’s entirely possible.

[Tony Cloninger]

Has there ever been a scoreless game at the end of regulation?

Asking for a friend.


1977 had a lot of games that were low scoring. Nothings close since then on average. Last time 14 game season and year before the no Chuck rule after 5 yards. Or the Mel Blount rule.

[Sea Ray]

It's because until Day they haven't recruited QBs that had the chance to be NFL prospects. It probably should have been a bigger focus in recruiting under Cooper and Tressel, but it's a recruiting issue, not development. Urban wasn't producing NFL QBs either, but he won 3 national championships without a real NFL QB, so he didn't really need one for his offense to succeed. Braxton Miller and Terrelle Pryor were elite prospects, and they were dynamic college players, but it was much more about their athleticism than their quarterbacking skill.

It's a different game, NFL and NCAA. Were I building a college team, I'd recruit guys like Tim Tebow and Vince Young. If I was drafting QBs for an NFL team I'd go for Dan Marino and Peyton Manning. So I don't know that OSU should be recruiting pro style QBs.

[Sea Ray]

I think it was Herbstreit who said it last night, but Chicago's OC is trying to make Fields a pocket passer. One of his best traits is the ability to scramble and use his legs. When you have a terrible OL, the worst WR corps in the game, and you are the leading rusher on your team, it doesn't spell good things to come.

Did you see how slowly he got up from some of those hits last night? He's not going to last long if he runs it more. Physically very few NFL QBs can withstand the pounding of running the ball

[Hillsdale87]

It's a different game, NFL and NCAA. Were I building a college team, I'd recruit guys like Tim Tebow and Vince Young. If I was drafting QBs for an NFL team I'd go for Dan Marino and Peyton Manning. So I don't know that OSU should be recruiting pro style QBs.

I'm not sure that's right though. I think it was the case 10+ years ago, but OSU has adapted with the times. Since 2013, all except 2 national championship QBs have been 1st round picks. It is a different game, but I think they're closer to each other than they've ever been.


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[Kingspoint]

To Ohio State's credit, the goal is to win National Championships, not develop NFL Quarterbacks. It's the NFL Scouts' faults for not recognizing what they need, not OSU's for not producing them. Same goes for the Oregon Ducks (with Herbert as the exception, but generally the Pac-12 always had a better chance because other passing styles than any other conference for producing quality NFL QB's, 2nd to the SEC, of course).

[WVRed]

To Ohio State's credit, the goal is to win National Championships, not develop NFL Quarterbacks. It's the NFL Scouts' faults for not recognizing what they need, not OSU's for not producing them. Same goes for the Oregon Ducks (with Herbert as the exception, but generally the Pac-12 always had a better chance because other passing styles than any other conference for producing quality NFL QB's, 2nd to the SEC, of course).

That said, if you can develop and produce NFL QBs, it greatly enhances your ability to win a national championship.

[Assembly Hall]

That said, if you can develop and produce NFL QBs, it greatly enhances your ability to win a national championship.

That hasn't worked for Purdue! lol

[Sea Ray]

I'm not sure that's right though. I think it was the case 10+ years ago, but OSU has adapted with the times. Since 2013, all except 2 national championship QBs have been 1st round picks. It is a different game, but I think they're closer to each other than they've ever been.


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I agree with you that it is getting closer. In looking at the time span you identified, I'd argue only 2 are capable of winning a championship in the NFL, Lawrence and Burrow. Granted, the jury is still out on Bryce Young

[Hillsdale87]

I agree with you that it is getting closer. In looking at the time span you identified, I'd argue only 2 are capable of winning a championship in the NFL, Lawrence and Burrow. Granted, the jury is still out on Bryce Young

Jury is out on Lawrence, but Deshaun Watson would have to be in that category too.


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[Sea Ray]

Jury is out on Lawrence, but Deshaun Watson would have to be in that category too.


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Yeah, I'm trying to forget that DeShaun Watson exists. Wish he would go away

[Hillsdale87]

Yeah, I'm trying to forget that DeShaun Watson exists. Wish he would go away

Agreed. He shouldn't play another game IMO, but he's one of the top 10 QBs in the NFL at worst


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[Assembly Hall]

Agreed. He shouldn't play another game IMO, but he's one of the top 10 QBs in the NFL at worst


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So you are assuming that Watson will pick up where he left off? I imagine Cleveland hopes you are right. I am in wait and see mode.

[Sea Ray]

Another woman has filed suit against Watson

https://sports.yahoo.com/deshaun-watson-faces-lawsuit-25th-012801019.html

[Rojo Rijo]

So you are assuming that Watson will pick up where he left off? I imagine Cleveland hopes you are right. I am in wait and see mode.

I think this is something people are overlooking. When (if) he takes a snap week 12 against the Texas it will be his first real game snap in 700 days and his first snap at all in a game aside from the 10 he took in week 1 of the preseason. Expecting him to come back and perform like a top 10 QB immediately? Not going to happen. Not only has it been that long but he's coming back to a new everything - team, coach, teammates etc.

Also between now and week 12 the Browns schedule -
New England, at Baltimore, Cincinnati, at Miami, at Buffalo, and Tampa Bay.

They could be 4-7 or 3-8 come time for him to take the field and it be too late to fight back into playoff contention with only 6 games left.

[Assembly Hall]

I think this is something people are overlooking. When (if) he takes a snap week 12 against the Texas it will be his first real game snap in 700 days and his first snap at all in a game aside from the 10 he took in week 1 of the preseason. Expecting him to come back and perform like a top 10 QB immediately? Not going to happen. Not only has it been that long but he's coming back to a new everything - team, coach, teammates etc.

Also between now and week 12 the Browns schedule -
New England, at Baltimore, Cincinnati, at Miami, at Buffalo, and Tampa Bay.

They could be 4-7 or 3-8 come time for him to take the field and it be too late to fight back into playoff contention with only 6 games left.

Personally, I hope Watson fails and does so miserably.

[Hillsdale87]

So you are assuming that Watson will pick up where he left off? I imagine Cleveland hopes you are right. I am in wait and see mode.

I'm not really making a judgment on what he will be going forward. But there's no question that he has been good enough to lead a team to a Super Bowl. If his career gets derailed, it will be because of off the field issues, not because he wasn't able to hack it in the NFL. And for a number of reasons, I hope his career is never the same


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[Slyder]

Personally, I hope Watson fails and does so miserably.

I want him to be so bad that it makes Denver go... DAMN we got lucky we ended up with that other guy.

[GAC]

I think this is something people are overlooking. When (if) he takes a snap week 12 against the Texas it will be his first real game snap in 700 days and his first snap at all in a game aside from the 10 he took in week 1 of the preseason. Expecting him to come back and perform like a top 10 QB immediately? Not going to happen. Not only has it been that long but he's coming back to a new everything - team, coach, teammates etc.

Also between now and week 12 the Browns schedule -
New England, at Baltimore, Cincinnati, at Miami, at Buffalo, and Tampa Bay.

They could be 4-7 or 3-8 come time for him to take the field and it be too late to fight back into playoff contention with only 6 games left.

They will have a firm grip on 3rd place in the conference. Good riddance as far as I'm concerned.

[Todd Gack]

Jury is out on Lawrence, but Deshaun Watson would have to be in that category too.


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Watson is 28-25 as an NFL starter.

[Kingspoint]

Trubisky woke up.

[Kingspoint]

That said, if you can develop and produce NFL QBs, it greatly enhances your ability to win a national championship.

But, why? That has nothing to do with your goals as a College Coach. Rules are different. Referees are different. Playing conditions are different. Who you answer to is different.

[Hillsdale87]

Watson is 28-25 as an NFL starter.

And Joe Burrow has a losing record. That's what happens when you've had a short career and play for a bad franchise


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[Assembly Hall]

Packers suck.

[RiverRat13]

Spags is going to Spags. Keeps leaving corners one-on-one agains elite QBs.

[RiverRat13]

Going back to the FG before half, Buffalo should have played press with 3 safeties back to take away the quick throw and anything deep. An intermediate route would have taken five seconds.

[KoryMac5]

Buffalo with a huge interception...playoffs may be going through Buffalo.

[ShyGuy]

Buffalo with a huge interception...playoffs may be going through Buffalo.

Sometimes my older cynical self wonders if that game was rigged. CBS was pushing the whole Allen vs Mahomes rivalry like Bird vs Magic

Ya know gotta give Josh some wins to make the rivalry even

[The Operator]

Did we just see a modified Ickey Shuffle?

[The Operator]

Leave it to Philly to boo an injured player.



Some things never change.

[Todd Gack]

Buffalo with a huge interception...playoffs may be going through Buffalo.

I will root for Buffalo almost as much as the Bengals.

[Todd Gack]

And Joe Burrow has a losing record. That's what happens when you've had a short career and play for a bad franchise


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Do you remember Watson's 4-12 season in 2020? His 4th NFL season where he was whining and complaining about racism? Maybe he wasn't exactly the best teammate in the world and there's a reason he's overrated?

[goreds2]

Nice win by Steelers. Next game Sunday night at Miami.

[Boston Red]

Well, we can go ahead and forget Cooper Rush's name. Cowboys will be anxious to get Dak back in there next week.

[The Operator]

Well, we can go ahead and forget Cooper Rush's name. Cowboys will be anxious to get Dak back in there next week.
He was bound to turn into a pumpkin at some point.

Frankly it was incredible how well they did for as long as they did without Dak.

[goreds2]

Leave it to Philly to boo an injured player.





And they also did boo a Dr.

[Assembly Hall]

He was bound to turn into a pumpkin at some point.

Frankly it was incredible how well they did for as long as they did without Dak.

I think the Cowboys are a good football team.

[Hillsdale87]

Do you remember Watson's 4-12 season in 2020? His 4th NFL season where he was whining and complaining about racism? Maybe he wasn't exactly the best teammate in the world and there's a reason he's overrated?

The season where the HC got fired mid-season and he led the NFL in passing yards with 33 TDs to 7 INTs behind one of the worst OLs in the league? The Texans are a garbage organization. Watson isn't perfect on the field, and he's far from it off the field of course, but he's plenty good enough to get a team to the Super Bowl if the team around him is good.

[Assembly Hall]

The season where the HC got fired mid-season and he led the NFL in passing yards with 33 TDs to 7 INTs behind one of the worst OLs in the league? The Texans are a garbage organization. Watson isn't perfect on the field, and he's far from it off the field of course, but he's plenty good enough to get a team to the Super Bowl if the team around him is good.

I hope he never sees a Super Bowl.

[Sea Ray]

Lamar Jackson has been and will likely continue to be, a topic of conversation around here. We all know what he can do but can he get it done in crunch time? Yesterday vs the Giants he did not look good in the last 5 mins of the game. He fumbled in the pocket and threw an INT in crunch time. Unless that kind of stuff changes, he's got an Andy Dalton ceiling in terms of leading his team deep into the post season

https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/giants-vs-ravens-score-takeaways-new-york-rallies-from-late-10-point-hole-to-upset-baltimore-go-to-5-1/live/

[Assembly Hall]

Lamar Jackson has been and will likely continue to be, a topic of conversation around here. We all know what he can do but can he get it done in crunch time? Yesterday vs the Giants he did not look good in the last 5 mins of the game. He fumbled in the pocket and threw an INT in crunch time. Unless that kind of stuff changes, he's got an Andy Dalton ceiling in terms of leading his team deep into the post season

https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/giants-vs-ravens-score-takeaways-new-york-rallies-from-late-10-point-hole-to-upset-baltimore-go-to-5-1/live/

Seems like I can't watch football on Sundays anymore without seeing a Raven 4th quarter collapse.

[Hillsdale87]

I hope he never sees a Super Bowl.

I hope he never plays another game. For a multitude of reasons I'm thankful not to be a Browns fan. I can't imagine enjoying watching the Browns while he's the QB


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[Assembly Hall]

I hope he never plays another game. For a multitude of reasons I'm thankful not to be a Browns fan. I can't imagine enjoying watching the Browns while he's the QB


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The Browns' fans here where I live are boycotting games...of course there are no Browns' fans where I live.

[The Operator]

Bogus roughing the passer call.

[Kingspoint]

I never expected the Bucs to be in the post-season this year, but it looks like the RAMS are going to miss the post-season, also.

The RAMS have nobody left to play along their Offensive Line. They wish they had what Burrow had last season.

[Kingspoint]

Packers suck.

Ownership sucks, not the Packers'. You can only leave Rodgers without O-Linemen and Wide Receivers for so many years before he eventually can't save their asses. He was completely stripped of O-Linemen and Wide Receivers before the season began. Their stubbornness to be the last team to embrace Free Agency in the NFL (even though the signing of Reggie White turned the franchise around) has caught up with them. They look now to be a team that won't see the playoffs again for another 20 years.

[Kingspoint]

Broncos were never going to figure anthing out until they started targeting Jeudy 12 times per game.

[Stray]

Bogus roughing the passer call.

Lot of those going around.

[Stray]

So happy to see our Bearcats playing well. Sauce has been great for the Jets, and NY media is going to make him a superstar. Pierce caught a game winner for the Colts, and Coby Bryant has FOUR forced fumbles already? Just awesome.

[Kingspoint]

If they target Jeudy, they can win this game, but they have to do it a few times.

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Talk about no respect for Russell Wilson...giving up and going into OT was definitely disrespecting of Wilson, and rightfully so.

[Kingspoint]

Can't believe how bad the Coaching is throughout the NFL.

[Kingspoint]

Congratulations to Robbie Anderson on getting out of Carolina. Unfortunately, he goes to the inept play-calling of Arizona, who may have just lost Marquise Brown for the season. They are getting DeAndre Hopkins back this week from suspension, but Kyler "Playstation" Murray is still the QB led by a play-caller that is challenging the Bengals' and Broncos' as the league's worst.

Oh, and the Cardinals have a short week playing the Saints on Thursday. Another fun Thursday Night matchup.

The Times-Picayune's Jeff Duncan reports that the Saints do not expect to have Jarvis Landry, Michael Thomas, or Marshon Lattimore against the Cardinals on Thursday Night Football.

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Broken ribs, and Herbert is throwing the ball more than 50 times, including an option of a Hail Mary on the 45th pass.

[Kingspoint]

There may be more ties in the NFL this season from ineptitude than there's been in over 30 seasons.

[Kingspoint]

I like the Bengals' chances of making the playoffs.

[The Operator]

Pretty brutal special teams gaffe right there by The Broncos.

That’s very likely the game.

[The Operator]

And that’s the game. Denver drops to 2-4.

Russ hit his first 10 passes but much of the same after the first quarter. Their offense is really struggling.

[Kingspoint]

I haven't been that happy for a Kicker in a long time.

[Kingspoint]

57 pass attempts by Herbert with broken ribs. Dude is tough.

Burrow is tough.

Allen is tough.

Mahomes is tough.

Those four are going to see each other in the playoffs every year.

[Rojo Rijo]

"If it feels like you've been force fed this train wreck of a team, that's right – Monday's loss occurring in Denver's fourth prime-time appearance already. It tapers off moving forward, but there's still a London game, a Sunday nighter and a Christmas showcase."

Sums up exactly how I feel about Denver right now.

[redsfandan]

So happy to see our Bearcats playing well. Sauce has been great for the Jets, and NY media is going to make him a superstar. Pierce caught a game winner for the Colts, and Coby Bryant has FOUR forced fumbles already? Just awesome.

Teams that I want to make the playoffs:

The Bengals

The Jets (just because it's always nice to see a team in the playoffs when they weren't expected to make the playoffs).

[Kingspoint]

"If it feels like you've been force fed this train wreck of a team, that's right – Monday's loss occurring in Denver's fourth prime-time appearance already. It tapers off moving forward, but there's still a London game, a Sunday nighter and a Christmas showcase."

Sums up exactly how I feel about Denver right now.

There's a maximum of five prime-time games a team can have in a season, with the exception of a possible 6th in the late-season time-slot moves and Saturday games.

[WVRed]

Teams that I want to make the playoffs:

The Bengals

The Jets (just because it's always nice to see a team in the playoffs when they weren't expected to make the playoffs).

I can’t get behind a NY or Philly team in the playoffs. Although the youth movement of the Jets make them palatable.

[Kingspoint]

Eagles have always been my favorite team in the NFC.

[Kingspoint]

To run down the list of Rams O-line injuries, Noteboom joins starting left guard David Edwards and guard/center Coleman Shelton on IR. Guard fill-in Tremayne Anchrum, who was filling in as a starter after Brian Allen‘s Week 1 injury, is also on IR. Allen has not played since Week 1 but is expected to return after the team’s Week 7 bye. The Rams lost third-round rookie guard Logan Bruss to an ACL tear during the preseason.

[Assembly Hall]

I can’t get behind a NY or Philly team in the playoffs. Although the youth movement of the Jets make them palatable.

I liked the Ron Jaworski Eagles and the Richard Todd Jets. And my rooting for either team ended there.

[Kingspoint]

I liked the Ron Jaworski Eagles and the Richard Todd Jets. And my rooting for either team ended there.

I liked the Norm Snead Eagles and the Don Maynard Jets.

[Assembly Hall]

I liked the Norm Snead Eagles and the Don Maynard Jets.

Before my time. But I have heard of them.

[Kingspoint]

Where are all of Kyler Murray's toys?

At home.

Where have the Cardinals lost 8 in a row?

At Home.

So, we have a QB who can't win at home because he plays with his toys too much when there. How old is he? 10 years old? Call of Duty just came out. Uh-oh!

No team is ever prepared on Thursdays. So, what good does it do to have Hopkins back along with Robbie Anderson in the mix on a Thursday Night with a Quarterback who is never prepared at home?

Nada.

Give me the running game of the Saints, the 5-20 yard passes of Dalton over the middle and the Defense of the Saints to easily win this game. If you want points, you get 2-1/2. I'll take the better odds and bet them winning outright.

There are some horrible QB contracts and Kyler Murray's is one of them.

[Assembly Hall]

Where are all of Kyler Murray's toys?

At home.

Where have the Cardinals lost 8 in a row?

At Home.

So, we have a QB who can't win at home because he plays with his toys too much when there. How old is he? 10 years old? Call of Duty just came out. Uh-oh!

No team is ever prepared on Thursdays. So, what good does it do to have Hopkins back along with Robbie Anderson in the mix on a Thursday Night with a Quarterback who is never prepared at home?

Nada.

Give me the running game of the Saints, the 5-20 yard passes of Dalton over the middle and the Defense of the Saints to easily win this game. If you want points, you get 2-1/2. I'll take the better odds and bet them winning outright.

There are some horrible QB contracts and Kyler Murray's is one of them.

I just played a simulated game on my Atari and the Cards won.

[The Operator]

Ah, there’s the Andy Dalton we all know and love.

Two pick-6’s within 90 seconds of each other.

[RiverRat13]

Ah, there’s the Andy Dalton we all know and love.

Two pick-6’s within 90 seconds of each other.

First one wasn’t his fault, though.

[Assembly Hall]

Ah, there’s the Andy Dalton we all know and love.

Two pick-6’s within 90 seconds of each other.

The Saints should have stuck with the running game.

[The Operator]

First one wasn’t his fault, though.

Yea the first one was a good throw. It’s just such a “prime time Dalton” turn of events. Lol

[Slyder]

Ah, there’s the Andy Dalton we all know and love.

Two pick-6’s within 90 seconds of each other.

MAAAAAAAAAAAAAAN I wish I had been able to check my fantasy football teams before the game. I was going to add them.

[WVRed]

Run CMC traded to the 49ers.

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/34842974/sources-panthers-trading-star-christian-mccaffrey-49ers

2nd, 3rd, 4th round picks going this year and a fifth next. Carolina needed the picks in the middle rounds and they are going for a complete rebuild. Would have liked to have seen the Bengals in on him but not for the price.

[Assembly Hall]

Run CMC traded to the 49ers.

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/34842974/sources-panthers-trading-star-christian-mccaffrey-49ers

2nd, 3rd, 4th round picks going this year and a fifth next. Carolina needed the picks in the middle rounds and they are going for a complete rebuild. Would have liked to have seen the Bengals in on him but not for the price.

Niners favorites to win the West now?

[WVRed]

Niners favorites to win the West now?

They will go as far as Jimmy G takes them and if they can stay healthy.

But yeah, they should win the west. The Rams O-line is in shambles and “F” them picks is going to set them back for decades for one ring. The Cardinals have a history of collapsing down the stretch and Seattle is in a rebuild despite Geno Smiths new lease on life.

[Assembly Hall]

They will go as far as Jimmy G takes them and if they can stay healthy.

But yeah, they should win the west. The Rams O-line is in shambles and “F” them picks is going to set them back for decades for one ring. The Cardinals have a history of collapsing down the stretch and Seattle is in a rebuild despite Geno Smiths new lease on life.

One could even pencil them in to be a favorite for the NFC Championship.

[Sea Ray]

Ah, there’s the Andy Dalton we all know and love.

Two pick-6’s within 90 seconds of each other.

It's "bad" Andy night. We know those well

[Chip R]

One could even pencil them in to be a favorite for the NFC Championship.

Absolutely. Even without CMC which they most likely be eventually. Eagles are good but they have played a lot of bad teams. Cowboys are overrated as usual. No one in the North should scare anyone - including Green Bay. Tampa could be scary if Brady rights the ship. Rams will make the playoffs but aren't as good as last year.

[Kingspoint]

Niners favorites to win the West now?

They already were. Now, they'r favorites to win the NFC.

[Hillsdale87]

They already were. Now, they'r favorites to win the NFC.

I think it's still the Eagles. 49ers are very good when healthy, but they're a mess with injuries right now. Hopefully they get everybody back, but it's a concern. I'm excited to see what Shanahan can do with his new toy, but the 49ers problem is that they have the worst QB of the contenders.

The Eagles aren't quite as good at the skill positions, but they're still very dangerous. And they have an elite OL. And most importantly, Hurts seems to have taken a step forward this year. Both QBs are question marks, but I'd give a significant edge to Hurts


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[KoryMac5]

Not sure why the addition of CMAC makes the Niners the faves now...their run game was never the issue on that team. Shanahan teams have always been able to run the ball no matter the running back. The issue for the Niners will always be the QB, they will go as far as Jimmy G takes them.

The Eagles have a shot at going undefeated their schedule is cake the rest of the season the playoffs will be going through Philly in the NFC and Buffalo in the AFC.

[Kingspoint]

I think it's still the Eagles. 49ers are very good when healthy, but they're a mess with injuries right now. Hopefully they get everybody back, but it's a concern. I'm excited to see what Shanahan can do with his new toy, but the 49ers problem is that they have the worst QB of the contenders.

The Eagles aren't quite as good at the skill positions, but they're still very dangerous. And they have an elite OL. And most importantly, Hurts seems to have taken a step forward this year. Both QBs are question marks, but I'd give a significant edge to Hurts


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I say the 49ers because their Head Coach is so seasoned as a playoff leader. He knows how to win playoff games and get the most out of his assets. Now he has Aiyuk, Kittle, Deebo and Run CMC? He just needs his Defense to get healthy, which they will, and then all pressure will be removed from Jimmy G.

[Kingspoint]

Not sure why the addition of CMAC makes the Niners the faves now...their run game was never the issue on that team. Shanahan teams have always been able to run the ball no matter the running back. The issue for the Niners will always be the QB, they will go as far as Jimmy G takes them.

The Eagles have a shot at going undefeated their schedule is cake the rest of the season the playoffs will be going through Philly in the NFC and Buffalo in the AFC.

Because Samuel had to be overused, Kittle had to be used as a blocker more often instead of taking advantage of his amazing Receiving game, and Aiyuk had to be used as a #1 WR. Now, with Run CMC in the backfield instead of the terrible-on-any-other-team Jeff Wilson, and Defenses will have to face Samuel, Aiyuk and Kittle scaring the living daylights out of opposing Secondaries and Linebackers. McCaffery has always had to face 7 or 8 in the box, and no Defense can get away with that against the 49ers now. How they don't score 30+ every week, while controlling the time of possession, too, will be a shocker if both don't happen.

The Eagles do not have quality playoff experience among most of their players. They have a 1st year HC with the team. That will all be exposed in the playoffs and down the stretch in January. They should have lost in Arizona if not for the bone-headed brain of Murray. Dallas almost came from behind, by rushing the ball against them, which is what the 49ers do best, before the Cooper-rush led Cowboys fell short.

I was one here professing last Spring that it was a no-brainer that Jalen Hurts should have his option year picked up, that he actually played well last season, and that his major fault was poor play-calling by his staff and incontinuity with a continuous change of Coordinators and systems, that he needed to be given (along with Daniel Jones) one more full season to see what they could do and that the Eagles (and Giants) should not draft a QB early in the draft. Nationally and here so many were trying to move on from him for the Eagles and calling him a bust, but as the off-season progressed and people got a closer look to what he did last season, there was realization that the faults in Philly were not Jalen Hurts'.

But, that's not going to get you to the Super Bowl. The playoffs in the NFL are something totally different. DAL still has a great path towards winning the Division making Philly get to the Super Bowl by having to win road games. 49ers will be playing at home. They only have Seattle challenging them for the Division and that challenge will disappear after Thanksgiving. Philly could get the #1 Seed or the #4 seed. 49ers won't be worse than the #2 seed.

[WVRed]

Not sure why the addition of CMAC makes the Niners the faves now...their run game was never the issue on that team. Shanahan teams have always been able to run the ball no matter the running back. The issue for the Niners will always be the QB, they will go as far as Jimmy G takes them.

The Eagles have a shot at going undefeated their schedule is cake the rest of the season the playoffs will be going through Philly in the NFC and Buffalo in the AFC.

The Eagles play in the best division right now in football and could send three teams to the playoffs. They have Dallas again and the Giants twice. Don’t see them going undefeated in that conference.

[Hillsdale87]

I know the Packers don't have many weapons, but Rodgers is a mess too. They're such a disappointment so far this year


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[Hillsdale87]

It also seems like Byron Leftwich might not be very good. Brady apparently had issues with Arians, but they're much worse without him


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[Boston Red]

I suspect Cleveland had a better shot going for fourth and 10 than trying a 60 yard FG.

[Sea Ray]

Washington showing why they're Washington. They gave Aaron Rodgers about half the yards on that drive via penalty. A FG now wins it for GB. We'll see if they get the ball back for Rodgers. Seeing as though this is the Washington Football Team, they probably will

[KoryMac5]

Losing Adams was a huge blow...I don't think they have decided what their identity is as a team. To me I would pound Jones and Dillon however I don't think Rodgers has gotten that memo yet.

[Kingspoint]

The Eagles play in the best division right now in football and could send three teams to the playoffs. They have Dallas again and the Giants twice. Don’t see them going undefeated in that conference.

There's a bonus to playing in the NFC. You get to play a lot of terrible teams. It's much more difficult to get losses if you are just an average NFL team. I think the AFC East is the best. I'd place the NFC East on par with the AFC West and the AFC North.

[Kingspoint]

Losing Adams was a huge blow...I don't think they have decided what their identity is as a team. To me I would pound Jones and Dillon however I don't think Rodgers has gotten that memo yet.

It looks like they tried to do it today. A lot of times that normally would have been a Rodgers pass attempt were runs by a Halfback.

[Kingspoint]

It is really, really, really early in the season. Teams have not even formed into a shell of what they will be a month from now. A couple of teams are starting to take shape, but nearly every team is just beginning to mold themselves into an identity.

[KoryMac5]

It looks like they tried to do it today. A lot of times that normally would have been a Rodgers pass attempt were runs by a Halfback.

They had 12 rushes to 35 pass attempts...thats not much balance. I would think the Packers would sniff around DJ Moore.

[KoryMac5]

Awful Int by Jimmy G in the endzone...

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Huge injuries...Breece Hall and DK Metcalf both carted off today, hate to see that.

[The Operator]

The 49’ers had great opportunities to get the ball back on back to back drives and wound up giving up huge conversions of 3rd & 20 the first time and 3rd & 11 the second time. Both drives resulted in TD’s.

Gotta be able to stop them at least once.

[Kingspoint]

The 49’ers had great opportunities to get the ball back on back to back drives and wound up giving up huge conversions of 3rd & 20 the first time and 3rd & 11 the second time. Both drives resulted in TD’s.

Gotta be able to stop them at least once.

It's going to take them a month to get healthy on Defense.

[The Operator]

Jimmy G gets sacked in the end zone for a safety.

Ouch.

[WrongVerb]

Who had the Jets at 5-2 to start the season?

[KoryMac5]

Who had the Jets at 5-2 to start the season?

Hall getting carted off is a huge blow if he is out...Jets fans were ready to fire Saleh after the first few games.

[Kingspoint]

Kenneth Walker III in the 2nd Round.

Ridiculous!

[KoryMac5]

Metcalf and Hall both are feared to have torn ACL's. Saleh stated initial eval on Hall is not good...huge blow for the Jets.

[KoryMac5]

Boggles my mind how Pitts always gets away with helmet to helmet hits week after week season after season...

[WVRed]

Pickett looking like Pickit right now.

I hope the Steelers ride with him for awhile.

[Assembly Hall]

Who had the Jets at 5-2 to start the season?

Mike Greenberg?

[The Operator]

I could do without the SNF announcing crew just gushing over Ben Roethlisberger.


He’s the original Deshaun Watson and somehow everyone conveniently forgot about it.

[Tony Cloninger]

Pittsburgh OL gives Pickett a cleaner pocket than what the Bengals give Burrow. Even with improved play Joe is still getting hit.

[goreds2]

Steelers have the ball the second half. Let’s go!

[The Operator]

So many coaches are chasing TD’s on 4th down in field goal range and getting stuffed.


It’s been something else.

[SteelSD]

Steelers have the ball the second half. Let’s go!

So, are you enjoying Matt Canada's plan of attempting to drive down the field three yards at a time?

I'm not.

[The Operator]

That should about do it in Miami.

[SteelSD]

Fourth dropped interception of the night. Good god.

[The Operator]

Okay, maybe not.

[RiverRat13]

Where were these dropped picks in Week 1?

[The Operator]

That’s an interception.

That WILL do it.

[SteelSD]

I don't know at what point the Steelers fire their offensive coordinator, but any other team would be well past that point.

[WVRed]

I don't know at what point the Steelers fire their offensive coordinator, but any other team would be well past that point.

Or they could keep forcing a square peg into a round hole and keep trying to atone for not taking Dan Marino by keeping Pickett.

I know Canada for sure isn’t the answer. I don’t think Pickett is either.

[KoryMac5]

Or they could keep forcing a square peg into a round hole and keep trying to atone for not taking Dan Marino by keeping Pickett.

I know Canada for sure isn’t the answer. I don’t think Pickett is either.

Tough to say that after only a few games...Picket has talent and actually reminds me of Andy Dalton in that he can does everything good but doesn't grade out as great.

Pitts is an odd team Harris seems to have regressed a bit and Pickens who is their best receiver seems to disappear at times in favor of Johnson and Claypool. If Watt comes back this season they will be trouble.

[KoryMac5]

I don't know at what point the Steelers fire their offensive coordinator, but any other team would be well past that point.

I don't know if they trust anyone else on the staff to take over at this point. It's and end of the year gut job at this point.

[Bob Sheed]

Boggles my mind how Pitts always gets away with helmet to helmet hits week after week season after season...

That's just hard nosed blue collar football right there, nothing more. :rolleyes:

Anyone denying that the NFL doesn't manufacture and encourage narratives like this, doesn't understand the NFL.

Dirty football is as much a part of Steelers identity as Jack Lambert. And if someone doesn't understand that, then they probably see no difference in how Tom Brady is treated vs every other QB either.

[Sea Ray]

Tough to say that after only a few games...Picket has talent and actually reminds me of Andy Dalton in that he can does everything good but doesn't grade out as great.

Pitts is an odd team Harris seems to have regressed a bit and Pickens who is their best receiver seems to disappear at times in favor of Johnson and Claypool. If Watt comes back this season they will be trouble.

Andy Dalton was never an interception machine. He was leading his team to the playoffs starting with his rookie yr. Pickett is looking far worse than that to this point. He's looking more like Jon Kitna than Andy Dalton but it is early

[SteelSD]

Tough to say that after only a few games...Picket has talent and actually reminds me of Andy Dalton in that he can does everything good but doesn't grade out as great.

Pitts is an odd team Harris seems to have regressed a bit and Pickens who is their best receiver seems to disappear at times in favor of Johnson and Claypool. If Watt comes back this season they will be trouble.

Part of it is the system and the fact that Pickens is already drawing #1 opposing CB's.

And yeah, Pickett has two full games under his belt, running plays conceived by an incompetent offensive coordinator, behind a poor O-Line, and no running game. I'm not worried about the picks- last night for sure. The first was likely an uncalled PI, and the last two were just a rookie QB being put in a horrible situation. I don't know why WV has convinced himself that Pickett stinks, but it's likely coming from way before he was an NFL draft pick. Me? I'll take the 68.5% completion rate and see where it leads us.


I don't know if they trust anyone else on the staff to take over at this point. It's and end of the year gut job at this point.

I don't care if the Steelers win another game this year. But I'd rather have the rest of the season for the team to practice plays that have a chance of leading to a solid 2023 season rather than having them continue to run crap Canada has scribbled in Crayon on a Post-It note. It's he can't figure out those plays only work at lower-level football because the star offensive players they're written for have much more talent that the average defender. Ain't like that in the NFL.

[Boston Red]

Someone is going to win the NFC South and make the playoffs.

[Sea Ray]

Someone is going to win the NFC South and make the playoffs.

Nice year to draw that division on your schedule

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Part of it is the system and the fact that Pickens is already drawing #1 opposing QB's.

And yeah, Pickett has two full games under his belt, running plays conceived by an incompetent offensive coordinator, behind a poor O-Line, and no running game. I'm not worried about the picks- last night for sure. The first was likely an uncalled PI, and the last two were just a rookie QB being put in a horrible situation. I don't know why WV has convinced himself that Pickett stinks, but it's likely coming from way before he was an NFL draft pick. Me? I'll take the 68.5% completion rate and see where it leads us.



I don't care if the Steelers win another game this year. But I'd rather have the rest of the season for the team to practice plays that have a chance of leading to a solid 2023 season rather than having them continue to run crap Canada has scribbled in Crayon on a Post-It note. It's he can't figure out those plays only work at lower-level football because the star offensive players they're written for have much more talent that the average defender. Ain't like that in the NFL.

I hope the Steelers are really patient with Pickett. I hope they stick with him for 3-4 yrs and give him a chance to work things out. Same way I hoped the same for Cleveland and Baker

[Chip R]

Matt Ryan has been benched for the rest of the season.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nfl/colts-benching-qb-matt-ryan-will-start-sam-ehlinger-week-8-vs-commanders/ar-AA13kl40?cvid=92f0697eb89e4ef7afb2096c9409493d

[Boston Red]

Weird. The Colts are still very much in the mix in their division. Why go with Ehlinger over Foles?

[Hillsdale87]

Weird. The Colts are still very much in the mix in their division. Why go with Ehlinger over Foles?

They may be in the mix in the division, but they're terrible. I'm guessing they want to spend the rest of the year finding out what they have in Ehlinger before deciding how to approach the draft.

[Assembly Hall]

Weird. The Colts are still very much in the mix in their division. Why go with Ehlinger over Foles?

A frustrated/angry order from Irsay?

[Sea Ray]

Matt Ryan has been benched for the rest of the season.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nfl/colts-benching-qb-matt-ryan-will-start-sam-ehlinger-week-8-vs-commanders/ar-AA13kl40?cvid=92f0697eb89e4ef7afb2096c9409493d

Interesting. That didn't take long

It appears that we're really seeing a changing of the guard this year. Brady, Rodgers and now Ryan are "moving on" and clearing the way for the next generation. Perhaps Stafford and Wilson are kinda in that boat too. Doesn't mean they'll necessarily retire but they're no longer elite

[KoryMac5]

Andy Dalton was never an interception machine. He was leading his team to the playoffs starting with his rookie yr. Pickett is looking far worse than that to this point. He's looking more like Jon Kitna than Andy Dalton but it is early

He threw 60 picks his first 4 seasons...playing for a better team than Pickett currently is on.

[KoryMac5]

Matt Ryan guaranteed 36 mil over the next 2 seasons...ouch.

[Sea Ray]

He threw 60 picks his first 4 seasons...playing for a better team than Pickett currently is on.

So less than one pick per game? Does that include post season? Yeah, Pickett isn't looking that good

[Revering4Blue]

Weird. The Colts are still very much in the mix in their division. Why go with Ehlinger over Foles?

RPO dimension that Ehlinger offers. It’s certainly worth a try.


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[WVRed]

So less than one pick per game? Does that include post season? Yeah, Pickett isn't looking that good

If we are debating the ceiling of Pickett being Andy Dalton then that should be all there is to say.

Andy Dalton at best was a game manager. He could never put the team on his back and carry them across the finish line. Some QBs can do it (Brady, Burrow), some can’t. Andy Dalton was never going to be that QB so he had to have the weapons around him to succeed.

What’s bad about Pittsburgh right now is the foundation as a whole is questionable. Chase Claypool has been a disappointment and Najee Harris isn’t evoking memories of Jerome Bettis either.

[Sea Ray]

If we are debating the ceiling of Pickett being Andy Dalton then that should be all there is to say.

Andy Dalton at best was a game manager. He could never put the team on his back and carry them across the finish line. Some QBs can do it (Brady, Burrow), some can’t. Andy Dalton was never going to be that QB so he had to have the weapons around him to succeed.

What’s bad about Pittsburgh right now is the foundation as a whole is questionable. Chase Claypool has been a disappointment and Najee Harris isn’t evoking memories of Jerome Bettis either.

We know exactly what Andy Dalton was. He got us to the playoffs 5 yrs in a row, which is quite a feat (especially for this franchise) but he absolutely could not win a playoff game. But he really wasn't a pickoff machine. Game managers aren't really pick off machines. Pickett looks more the part of gunslinger than game manager.

[Assembly Hall]

RPO dimension that Ehlinger offers. It’s certainly worth a try.


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Don't forget that hang onto football dimension.

[WVRed]

We know exactly what Andy Dalton was. He got us to the playoffs 5 yrs in a row, which is quite a feat (especially for this franchise) but he absolutely could not win a playoff game. But he really wasn't a pickoff machine. Game managers aren't really pick off machines. Pickett looks more the part of gunslinger than game manager.

Point remains, if Andy Dalton is the ceiling for Pickett, it’s not much of a ceiling, especially for a franchise like the Steelers.

I think a lot of it is fans want the local kid to succeed. If the roles were reversed and Burrow was putting up numbers like Pickett I’d say Bengals fans (including myself) would be defending him the way Steel and others are.

That’s not to say he won’t get better. I’d say he likely will especially if the Steelers do change coordinators after the season. But if the best you can hope for is Andy Dalton, that’s not really reaching very high. As you put it, we know exactly who Andy Dalton was.

On that note, I have some friends who are Steeler fans. When things go south they are VERY quick to jump the coaches. I know both of them have called for Tomlins head more than once forgetting the fact that the Rooney’s are more loyal to a fault with their coaches than the Brown family although one has had a lot more success.

[Assembly Hall]

Don't forget that hang onto the football dimension.

[The Operator]

Man, The Colts have had quite the QB Carousel since Luck’s retirement.

It would be hard for anyone to match the last two decades of Cleveland’s QB instability but they’re definitely giving the 1990’s Bengals a run for their money. At some point you have to stop trying to bring in over the hill veterans and develop a young guy. We’ll see how this goes for them.

[Sea Ray]

Point remains, if Andy Dalton is the ceiling for Pickett, it’s not much of a ceiling, especially for a franchise like the Steelers.

I think a lot of it is fans want the local kid to succeed. If the roles were reversed and Burrow was putting up numbers like Pickett I’d say Bengals fans (including myself) would be defending him the way Steel and others are.

That’s not to say he won’t get better. I’d say he likely will especially if the Steelers do change coordinators after the season. But if the best you can hope for is Andy Dalton, that’s not really reaching very high. As you put it, we know exactly who Andy Dalton was.

On that note, I have some friends who are Steeler fans. When things go south they are VERY quick to jump the coaches. I know both of them have called for Tomlins head more than once forgetting the fact that the Rooney’s are more loyal to a fault with their coaches than the Brown family although one has had a lot more success.

As I said it's really early. Of course they should just give Pickett time and see what they've got. Early returns aren't good but it is early

[KoryMac5]

As I said it's really early. Of course they should just give Pickett time and see what they've got. Early returns aren't good but it is early

It's early I would want to see him in a different offense and see what he looks like...Pitts is just so vanilla right now. Had they been smart they would should have gone full tank as soon as Watt went down...

[KoryMac5]

Man, The Colts have had quite the QB Carousel since Luck’s retirement.

It would be hard for anyone to match the last two decades of Cleveland’s QB instability but they’re definitely giving the 1990’s Bengals a run for their money. At some point you have to stop trying to bring in over the hill veterans and develop a young guy. We’ll see how this goes for them.

Agreed 100% how do you whiff on both Wentz and Ryan...also why do you take a chance on either. I believe Reich ultimately pays the price at years end.

[Bob Sheed]

We know exactly what Andy Dalton was. He got us to the playoffs 5 yrs in a row, which is quite a feat (especially for this franchise) but he absolutely could not win a playoff game. But he really wasn't a pickoff machine. Game managers aren't really pick off machines. Pickett looks more the part of gunslinger than game manager.

Sometime I think people forget what Andy Dalton's shortcomings truly were.

1. He was inconsistent. You had Good Andy, and you had Bad Andy. Besides that 2015 season cut short by injury, he was like a box of chocolates.

2. For quite a few seasons, Dalton had trouble seeing the middle of the field over the linemen. This lead to defenses cheating toward the sidelines, and this led to a whole bunch of what you might expect it leading to. Dalton is listed at 6'2''. No way.

3. Terrible at improv. This is the guy that threw it out of bounds on 4th and whatever, last play of the game.

4. Really nice guy but sans the "it factor."

5. Couldn't win in prime time, or just about any game with any pressure attached to it. But he'd light up those Steve Tasker / Ian Eagle 1pm games though.

6. Much like many other serviceable-at-best QBs, his stats are padded with garbage time numbers against the prevent. See: Jon Kitna.

There's more of course, but you get the idea.

[KoryMac5]

Jets go out and get James Robinson from Jax...for a conditional 6th rounder.

[WVRed]

Man, The Colts have had quite the QB Carousel since Luck’s retirement.

It would be hard for anyone to match the last two decades of Cleveland’s QB instability but they’re definitely giving the 1990’s Bengals a run for their money. At some point you have to stop trying to bring in over the hill veterans and develop a young guy. We’ll see how this goes for them.

Part of me thinks they have always been waiting to see if Luck has a change of heart.

I get it because the team is built to win now. They are kinda like the Steelers or Broncos in that they are set up at all the skill positions just don’t or didn’t have a QB. The difference is the Colts are a little more questionable on the defensive side of the ball.

[Sea Ray]

It's early I would want to see him in a different offense and see what he looks like...Pitts is just so vanilla right now. Had they been smart they would should have gone full tank as soon as Watt went down...

They're vanilla for a reason. What does it say if a QB throws INTs in a vanilla offense? If you open it up then the mistakes will get even greater. It's not in Pittsburgh's DNA to tank and I respect that

[SteelSD]

It's early I would want to see him in a different offense and see what he looks like...Pitts is just so vanilla right now. Had they been smart they would should have gone full tank as soon as Watt went down...

Exactly. The offensive game plan is putrid, and it's not due to personnel. Canada actually thinks his offense is good. It's been exactly the same since he was promoted from QB coach. Pre-snap motion for motion's sake, jet sweeps that don't fool anyone, first down runs behind a terrible O-line, and two-yard passes on third and six. It's a plan designed to put together 15 to 20-play drives. But because that's the plan, if anything goes wrong, it's over. It wouldn't work behind a good offensive line, and certainly doesn't behind a poor one. It was terrible with Roethisberger running it, terrible with Trubisky behind center, and similarly awful with a rookie QB, who clearly wants the ball to move forward rather than sideways.

[The Operator]

Did Mac Jones get hurt again?

I took a break to talk to my mom and next thing I know Zappe is in, and The Patriots are rolling.

[Boston Red]

Jones just sucked.

[The Operator]

Jones just sucked.

So is he out of a job now? Pretty big move to bench the 1st rounder but New England does seem to have some experience hitting on unheralded late round QB’s. That would be about their luck.

[The Operator]

Justin Fields can do serious damage with his legs.


Chicago absolutely has to put some weapons around him and play to his strengths.

[The Operator]

Bears are putting a good old fashioned butt whoopin’ on New England.

[Sea Ray]

So is he out of a job now? Pretty big move to bench the 1st rounder but New England does seem to have some experience hitting on unheralded late round QB’s. That would be about their luck.

Yes, I would say he's done in NE

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Bears are putting a good old fashioned butt whoopin’ on New England.

Patriots look horrible, particularly their tackling. Very devoid of talent

[The Operator]

So assuming Jones is done in New England, is there a trade market for him? Or would NE keep him around since he’s still on a rookie deal and as insurance for Zappe?


If Indy’s young guy doesn’t pan out the rest of the season, would they be interested in going for a young guy like Jones with starting and playoff experience instead of bringing in over the hill veterans like they have for the past 3 years?

[Kingspoint]

Ravens against the Bucs this weekend. Whoever loses will get talked about more than whoever wins.

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So assuming Jones is done in New England, is there a trade market for him? Or would NE keep him around since he’s still on a rookie deal and as insurance for Zappe?


If Indy’s young guy doesn’t pan out the rest of the season, would they be interested in going for a young guy like Jones with starting and playoff experience instead of bringing in over the hill veterans like they have for the past 3 years?

Belichick milks QB assets for draft picks. Since the season is so long and it's likely that Batte gets hurt at least once, he'll need Jones for the rest of this season, and in the meantime, increase his trade value.

[Kingspoint]

Bears are putting a good old fashioned butt whoopin’ on New England.

Like the Bears of old, they seem to like adverse weather. But, so have all of the Belichick teams.

[Kingspoint]

Speaking of weather, we're supposed to have a worse than normal Winter.

Should that happen, Northern teams without Domes are going to have a huge advantage the last quarter of the season and the playoffs.

For those who don't know it, even though the Seahawks don't get snow (though they might this year), their stadium is designed North to South to get miserable, freezing and wet rain that's worse than snow.

[Kingspoint]

Belichick is going to discover that he couldn't get away with low-round draft picks and undrafted players to make up most of his Offensive Line. Brady could overcome it with how quickly he got rid of the ball along with identifying weak links of a Defense. But, without that type of Quarterback, Belichick's Offensive Lines, which are void of real talent, are going to be exposed. The days of Pro Bowl O-Linemen coming from New England are over. Brady made them what they were.

[Kingspoint]

The Jets will send a 2023 sixth-round pick to the Jaguars, which will become a fifth-rounder if Robinson rushes for 600 yards this season, according to ESPN. Robinson already has 340 yards.

The 24-year-old Robinson is in the final year of his contract and will be a restricted free agent in 2023, meaning the Jets can hold onto him if they like what they see over the final 10 games of this season.

[Kingspoint]

From NBC Sports w/ NBC Sports' comments:


Speaking Monday, Chargers HC Brandon Staley told reporters that WR Mike Williams (ankle) will miss "weeks not days." It's an ominous quote from Staley and one that likely signals a trip to injured reserve for Williams. Keenan Allen was able to play through his hamstring injury in Week 7 and now has a Week 8 bye for additional rest, but Williams' absence will still leave a major hole on the outside for the Chargers. It's possible they could be in the market for an outside wide receiver, given that Josh Palmer has struggled this season. Jalen Guyton, who has been phased out of the offense this season, could see more work on the outside with Williams out. The Chargers will also likely find ways to get DeAndre Carter and Allen on the field together.

SOURCE: Daniel Popper on Twitter



The Athletic's Daniel Popper reports that Chargers CB J.C. Jackson suffered a ruptured patellar tendon and is out for the season. Jackson was reported to suffer a dislocated knee cap after exiting against the Seahawks in the second quarter, but unfortunately, he suffered additional damage as well. The injury will cause him to miss the remainder of 2022 and could impact his 2023 to a degree, as patellar tendon ruptures can be accompanied by significant recovery timelines. Jackson was struggling with the Chargers this season and was notably benched in Week 6, but his loss will still impact a vulnerable Chargers secondary that has turned Los Angeles into a pass funnel, despite the fact that they can't stop the run.

SOURCE: Daniel Popper on Twitter

[Kingspoint]

From NBC Sports w/ NBC Sports' comments:

Jets RT Alijah Vera-Tucker (triceps) will miss the remainder of the 2022 season. Vera-Tucker has started 23 games for the Jets since being drafted as the 14th overall pick in the 2021 NFL Draft. Vera-Tucker has started games at right guard, right tackle and left tackle for the Jets this season, and was injured early in the team's Week 7 win over the Broncos. Backup Cedric Ogbuehi replaced Vera-Tucker in Sunday's game and is expected to start at right tackle in Week 8 against the Patriots.

I only posted this because so many here know intimately his replacement. Good Luck James Robinson.

[Kingspoint]

They may be in the mix in the division, but they're terrible. I'm guessing they want to spend the rest of the year finding out what they have in Ehlinger before deciding how to approach the draft.

With Shaq Leonard unexpectedly missing the whole season so far, this removes the possible error of bringing their All-Pro Defender back to early (like the Chargers did with J. C. Jackson) and then getting him hurt worse. They know they have Nick Foles, and if their Running game had shown more and Leonard was playing and playing well (not showing signs of being hurt), then with this exact same record, they could go for it this season and try to make the playoffs with so many teams in the AFC losing early in the season.

Ryan has looked so bad that it's the prudent thing to do. They must feel blessed that they aren't in the same situation as the Broncos are with Wilson.

[Kingspoint]

Never thought there'd be a reason to post anything about the Seahawks this season, but they are relevant and exciting to watch. Walker runs like Tony Dorsett (the worst trade the Seahawks made in their history).

From NBC Sports w/ NBC Sports' comments:

Speaking Monday, Seahawks HC Pete Carroll told reporters that WR DK Metcalf (knee) will not require surgery. Carroll characterized it as a "great report" saying that Metcalf "hurt his patellar tendon some." It's unclear how long Metcalf could be out, but he appears to have avoided a long-term injury, which appeared to be very much on the table when he was carted off against the Chargers. Fantasy managers should have a backup plan in place for Week 8, but we should have more information on Metcalf's timeline in the coming days.

[Kingspoint]

And this guy was written off this Summer that he might not even make the team....

From NBC Sports w/ NBC Sports' comments:

Josh Jacobs rushed 20 times for 143 yards and three touchdowns in the Raiders' Week 7 win over the Texans. After rushing for a career-high 154 yards in Week 5, Jacobs continued his hot running in Week 7. Averaging an impressive 7.2 YPC on the afternoon, Jacobs scored from four, seven and 15 yards out, mauling the Texans' helpless defense all afternoon. Jacobs had seven carries of 10 or more yards on the day and has now rushed for 140+ yards in three-straight games. The Raiders are likely to continue feeding Jacobs as long as game script permits. Looking like one of the top backs in the league, Jacobs should be treated as an RB1 next week against the Saints.

[Kingspoint]

While he's not Jalen Hurts, he should be getting a little more love in the headlines compared to Jalen Hurts, because he basically has just one Receiver worthy of throwing a pass to....

From NBC Sports w/ NBC Sports' comments:

Daniel Jones completed 19-of-30 passes for 202 yards and one touchdown in the Giants’ 23-17, Week 7 win over the Jaguars. He also rushed 11 times for 107 yards and a touchdown. Jones does it again, he finds a way. Playing within the confines of the offense, Jones was able to put together a nice day. Jones was effective when given time to make routine throws. His best throw of the day came on a deep touchdown to Darius Slayton on the Giants’ first drive.

[Kingspoint]

The Falcons were not prepared to play a team that can stop the run. Desmond Ridder will start getting 1st team reps in practice so they can at least throw him out there when they are behind by two touchdowns, though that wouldn't be fair to him.

The Falcons need to quit using Mariota and go full-time with Ridder starting this week.

[Kingspoint]

The Broncos are thinking of Starting Russell Wilson despite this:

From NBC Sports w/ NBC Sports' comments:

NFL Network's Ian Rapoport reports Russell Wilson has a "partially torn hamstring, leaving his status in doubt beyond the start he'll miss today against the Jets." The Broncos get the Jaguars next week in London and then have their bye. Giving Wilson one more week off would give him plenty of time to fully recover from the Grade 2 hamstring strain. Wilson was able to practice in a limited capacity this week, but Brett Rypien was prepped to be the starter as early as Wednesday. Rypien will draw the start this week versus the Jets.

[KoryMac5]

The Broncos are thinking of Starting Russell Wilson despite this:

From NBC Sports w/ NBC Sports' comments:

NFL Network's Ian Rapoport reports Russell Wilson has a "partially torn hamstring, leaving his status in doubt beyond the start he'll miss today against the Jets." The Broncos get the Jaguars next week in London and then have their bye. Giving Wilson one more week off would give him plenty of time to fully recover from the Grade 2 hamstring strain. Wilson was able to practice in a limited capacity this week, but Brett Rypien was prepped to be the starter as early as Wednesday. Rypien will draw the start this week versus the Jets.

Hackett is coaching for his job no other reason to put Russ out there with a torn hammy

[KoryMac5]

Hoodie with a rare mistake last night in starting Jones, should have waited a week and started Jones on the road against the Jets.

The Zappe chants after every failed NE drive were deafening...

[Hillsdale87]

The Falcons were not prepared to play a team that can stop the run. Desmond Ridder will start getting 1st team reps in practice so they can at least throw him out there when they are behind by two touchdowns, though that wouldn't be fair to him.

The Falcons need to quit using Mariota and go full-time with Ridder starting this week.

It's not going to matter if they keep focusing on the running game no matter the game situation. The way they kept running the ball down 18 was so weird.


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[WVRed]

It's not going to matter if they keep focusing on the running game no matter the game situation. The way they kept running the ball down 18 was so weird.


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I think Bryce Young would be a perfect fit for the Falcons. Doubt he makes it to them though.

[Sea Ray]

Hoodie with a rare mistake last night in starting Jones, should have waited a week and started Jones on the road against the Jets.

The Zappe chants after every failed NE drive were deafening...

I don't think Zappe is the answer either

[Assembly Hall]

Here's to hoping that Sam Ehlinger morphs into a young Tom Brady.

[Chip R]

The NFL has added a Black Friday game for next season.

https://www.nfl.com/news/prime-video-to-stream-black-friday-nfl-game-in-2023

Now you may be asking yourself why it's starting at 3 p.m. Because of the Sports Broadcasting Act of 1961. Long story short, this prevents the NFL from broadcasting their games from 6 p.m. on Fridays to midnight on Saturdays from the second Saturday on September to the second Saturday in December. That's why the NFL can show games on Saturdays in late December. The law was a result of the NFL's decision to pool broadcast rights and share it equally. DOJ said it was an antitrust violation because it prevented individual teams to compete for separate TV deals. College Football didn't like it cause they thought the NFL would start playing on Saturdays. So they passed the SBA with the restrictions from September through mid-December. Now College Football people are somewhat concerned that their expanded playoff is going to conflict with NFL games on Thursdays, Fridays, Saturdays and, of course, Sundays. ESPN has a say in this and they aren't keen on going up against the NFL. If' you have a subscription to The Athletic a more detailed version is there.

https://theathletic.com/3729913/2022/10/26/nfl-college-football-playoff-tv/?source=pulsenewsletter&campaign=5350427

[Boston Red]

3pm on Black Friday is kind of perfect, though.

[Kingspoint]

It's not going to matter if they keep focusing on the running game no matter the game situation. The way they kept running the ball down 18 was so weird.


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That's how little trust they had in Mariota. He completion rate was only 50% over his last three games going into the Bengals' shelacking. But, then Mahomes (and every other QB over the last 13 games) couldn't complete anything in their 2nd Halves against the Bengals' Defense, either, so can you blame them for not throwing? So, the solution would have been to insert Ridder at halftime (they couldn't run, either, averaging only 2.7 yards per carry for the game) if you have that little faith in Mariota, and begin the inevitable process. Mariota had a good first game of the season, along with good pre-season games. But, after that, it's been all downhill. Mariota's days of Starting in the NFL are over, and his days as a backup may soon be, too. A backup who can't throw the ball is not worth stashing on a team.

[Kingspoint]

Hackett is coaching for his job no other reason to put Russ out there with a torn hammy

October 25th, 2022 at 6:31pm CST by Sam Robinson
Nathaniel Hackett‘s offense submitted another second-half dud against the Jets, extending the Broncos’ losing streak to four and increasing the temperature on the first-year coach’s unexpectedly hot seat.

The Broncos’ 16-9 loss leaves them with 100 points. That is not only the NFL’s basement mark, counting the teams that have had their bye week, it is, per The Athletic, the lowest seven-game Denver total since 1966. Considering the Broncos’ struggles during that period and much of the 1970s, the statistics keep looking worse for Hackett, a veteran offensive coordinator hired to repair Denver’s long-anemic attack.

[RELATED: Bradley Chubb, Jerry Jeudy Drawing Trade Interest]

Although this Broncos edition’s 14.3 points per game is well behind Pat Shurmur‘s 2021 offense (19.7, 23rd) — a unit that largely led to Vic Fangio‘s firing — Hackett is not considering ceding his play-calling responsibilities or making staff changes at this point.

“Right now, on a short week, we’re going to keep the status quo. We’re all going to work together to build a great plan,” Hackett said, via Denver7’s Troy Renck. “I feel like our operation has been going well. We held the ball for a long time, and we moved the ball; we just didn’t convert on some third downs. That kind of stalled us, but we’re going to keep going how we are, and we’ll evaluate everything; we always do.”

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The NFL has added a Black Friday game for next season.

https://www.nfl.com/news/prime-video-to-stream-black-friday-nfl-game-in-2023

Now you may be asking yourself why it's starting at 3 p.m. Because of the Sports Broadcasting Act of 1961. Long story short, this prevents the NFL from broadcasting their games from 6 p.m. on Fridays to midnight on Saturdays from the second Saturday on September to the second Saturday in December. That's why the NFL can show games on Saturdays in late December. The law was a result of the NFL's decision to pool broadcast rights and share it equally. DOJ said it was an antitrust violation because it prevented individual teams to compete for separate TV deals. College Football didn't like it cause they thought the NFL would start playing on Saturdays. So they passed the SBA with the restrictions from September through mid-December. Now College Football people are somewhat concerned that their expanded playoff is going to conflict with NFL games on Thursdays, Fridays, Saturdays and, of course, Sundays. ESPN has a say in this and they aren't keen on going up against the NFL. If' you have a subscription to The Athletic a more detailed version is there.

https://theathletic.com/3729913/2022/10/26/nfl-college-football-playoff-tv/?source=pulsenewsletter&campaign=5350427

OMG! That's going to interfere with the World Cornhole Playoffs!

[Kingspoint]

3pm on Black Friday is kind of perfect, though.

Wish Madden was around to do the game.

[Sea Ray]

Mariota was not a stellar #2 overall pick. Actually that draft was not good for QBs. Winston has been OK in spurts but other than that, a big nothing

[Boston Red]

Ravens vs. Bucs isn't quite the premier matchup it looked like it was going to be at the start of the season, but hard to complain too much about a Brady vs. Jackson Thursday night game. Should be much better than a lot of the Prime stinkers.

[Kingspoint]

October 26th, 2022 at 2:57pm CST by Sam Robinson

After holding onto Robert Quinn during the initial months of their rebuild, the Bears have found a taker for his contract. The Eagles are acquiring Quinn, Ian Rapoport and Mike Garafolo of NFL.com report (on Twitter). Quinn, 32, is in the third season of his five-year, $70MM deal. The Eagles lost Derek Barnett early this season and have now replaced him with a three-time Pro Bowler. No stranger to in-season trades under GM Howie Roseman, the Eagles are adding a 12th-year veteran coming off an 18.5-sack season. The Bears will pick up a fourth-round pick for Quinn, Adam Schefter of ESPN.com tweets. This mid-round choice will change sides because of the Bears’ willingness to pick up much of Quinn’s $12.8MM salary. Chicago will be on the hook for most of Quinn’s remaining money (less than $9MM), Garafolo adds (on Twitter).

This move is similar to the Broncos’ decision to pay most of Von Miller‘s salary last year. That financial call led to second- and third-round compensation from the Rams. The Eagles will not be responsible for much of Quinn’s 2022 money; he has nonguaranteed salaries ($13.9MM, $12.9MM) in 2023 and ’24. If Quinn fares well during his first games in Philly, it would not surprise to see the Eagles restructure that contract. They have gone to this well numerous times in recent years. This trade comes seven months after the Bears acquired second- and sixth-round choices for Khalil Mack, who went to the Chargers. Chicago shed several contracts from its veteran front seven this offseason, also moving on from Akiem Hicks, Eddie Goldman and Danny Trevathan. Quinn did not seem to fit, and the Bears began shopping him again earlier this month. Roquan Smith, who requested a trade this summer, will be the last one left from that talented front seven.

Philadelphia used trades to bolster its 2017 roster, bringing in Ronald Darby shortly before the season and Jay Ajayi during the year. D-linemen Fletcher Cox and Brandon Graham remain from that Super Bowl-winning squad, and the Eagles have continued to add pieces to that front in the years since. Quinn will join a line also housing veterans Javon Hargrave, Haason Reddick and Josh Sweat, along with first-rounder Jordan Davis. Philly now rosters one of the deepest defensive end crews in recent memory. The 6-0 team will be able to throw a Reddick-Sweat-Graham-Quinn wave at teams. The Eagles entered the week ranked fourth in both total defense and points allowed. They are well off the Cowboys’ sack pace, however, sitting on 17. Dallas leads the NFL with 29.

The Bears probably could have gotten more for Quinn had they moved him this offseason, when he was coming off that 18.5-sack season. Quinn excelled as a Cowboys one-and-done in 2019, leading to the Bears contract, but registered only two sacks in 2020. Mack went down with a foot injury midway through last season, and Quinn proceeded to break Richard Dent‘s Bears single-season sack record. That certainly put him back on the map. Despite Quinn skipping minicamp and being linked to wanting a new team, he reported to training camp and said he did not want to be traded for a third time. With the Bears pivoting to a rebuild, however, the move became logical.

Quinn will head to Philly sitting on just one sack and three quarterback hits. Pro Football Focus has not been impressed by his 2022 work, ranking him near the bottom (124th) among edge defenders. The Eagles are obviously betting that is not indicative of what the former Rams first-rounder has left. It will be interesting to see how the Eagles use Quinn, but he has thrived after trades in the past. Although Quinn’s Rams-to-Dolphins move (2018) did not lead to major production, he totaled 11 sacks with the Cowboys after being dealt during the 2019 offseason. This marks Quinn’s first in-season trade.

[Kingspoint]

Mariota was not a stellar #2 overall pick. Actually that draft was not good for QBs. Winston has been OK in spurts but other than that, a big nothing

He lacked the mental makeup to be an NFL Quarterback. For one, he was too nice of a guy. Secondly, he could not process in a timely fashion defensive schemes. The NFL game is too fast for him and he never made that adjustment.

[WVRed]

He lacked the mental makeup to be an NFL Quarterback. For one, he was too nice of a guy. Secondly, he could not process in a timely fashion defensive schemes. The NFL game is too fast for him and he never made that adjustment.

I think Ohio State showed that in the Playoff.

[Kingspoint]

Did not expect this...

From NBC Sports w/ NBC Sports' comments:

Saints coach Dennis Allen said Andy Dalton will start in Week 8 against the Raiders. Allen called the choice an "offensive decision." He said the team will continue doing what it has been under Dalton. After getting trounced by the Cardinals in a game that saw Dalton throw two pick-sixes, the choice to roll with him as the starter is odd, to say the least. One of the pick-sixes can also be blamed on Marquez Callaway, who tipped the ball to a waiting defender. To Allen's credit, Jameis Winston had four scores and five interceptions before going down with the back injury, so his options to choose from aren't great. Chris Olave has been the focal point of the offense no matter who is under center, and that will continue in Week 8 versus the Raiders. Alvin Kamara will also continue to soak up targets. Dalton will be nothing more than a fantasy QB2.

Saints coach Dennis Allen said the decision to bench Jameis Winston is about "performance". Allen noted that Winston, who has been dealing with back and ankle issues, is healthy. He practiced in full on Wednesday. The team will stick with Andy Dalton as their starter for Week 8 against the Raiders. Dalton threw for 381 yards, four scores, and three interceptions last week. Two of his interceptions were taken back for touchdowns. Winston wasn't much better to start the year, throwing five interceptions and just four touchdowns in three appearances. Winston will serve as Dalton's backup this week.

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Also, from NBC Sports w/ NBC Sports' comments:

ESPN's Field Yates reports Mac Jones will start Week 8 against the Jets. Yates reports Jones took about 90% of the first-team reps in Wednesday's practice. He started last Monday night against the Bears but was benched after one quarter, going 3-of-6 for 13 yards and an interception. Bailey Zappe came in to lead a pair of touchdown drives on his first two series, but the rookie produced zero second-half points and turned it over three times. Jones will likely get a longer leash this time.

SOURCE: Field Yates on Twitter

[Kingspoint]

Though they have many key defenders to go, the 49ers begin to get healthier on Defense:

From NBC Sports w/ NBC Sports' comments:

49ers activated CB Jason Verrett (knee) from the reserve/PUP list. At the start of the season, Verrett was still recovering from the torn ACL he suffered in Week 1 of the 2021 season. The 49ers played it safe and sent him to the PUP list, giving him extra time to work his way back. In 2020, Verrett stayed mostly healthy and logged two interceptions plus seven pass defenses. He will likely be eased into the lineup for his first game of the 2022 season.

SOURCE: Tom Pelissero on Twitter

[Kingspoint]

This is huge for the Cardinals...

From NBC Sports w/ NBC Sports' comments:

James Conner (ribs) returned to practice Wednesday. Conner has missed the Cardinals' previous two games with the rib injury. Darrel Williams, who was back at practice on Wednesday, has also been sidelined for a pair of games. In their absences, Eno Benjamin has stepped into a three-down role. Benjamin has 27 carries and seven catches in his pair of starts. With both backs on track to play in Week 8, fantasy managers can send Benjamin back to the waiver wire.

SOURCE: Darren Urban on Twitter


Darrel Williams (knee) returned to practice Wednesday. Williams has been out because of the knee issue for two weeks. With James Conner also out, the Cardinals have been leaning on Eno Benjamin. Conner will reclaim his starting role this week, though Benjamin's strong performance in Week 7 could earn him sole possession of the backup gig, even with Williams healthy.

SOURCE: Darren Urban on Twitter

[Kingspoint]

Well,....because you can't make this stuff up.....

From NBC Sports w/ NBC Sports' comments:

Russell Wilson (hamstring) said he's "feeling good" and "ready to rock" after logging a limited practice Wednesday. We'll know for sure if Wilson will play this week against the Jaguars if he says, "Broncos country, let's ride." All kidding aside, it seems Wilson will be available for Sunday's London game against the Jaguars after missing Week 7 with a hamstring injury. His mobility could be limited, making him a (very) shaky fantasy option in 12-team leagues. Wilson should remain on the waiver wire in 10-team formats. Jacksonville has allowed the 10th lowest EPA per drop back through Week 7.

SOURCE: Nick Kosmider on Twitter

[Kingspoint]

I think Dan Graziano's a major dolt, but this just makes too much sense...

From NBC Sports w/ NBC Sports' comments:

ESPN's Dan Graziano said a league source told him "not to be surprised if the Packers' solution at receiver ended up being a tight end." The Packers, struggling with receiver injuries and generally poor wideout play, are reportedly interested in upgrading the team's pass catchers before the NFL's November 1 trade deadline. Mike Gesicki, meanwhile, has been the subject of many trade rumors over the past month, even as his playing time and involvement in the Miami passing attack increases. It would be strange to address wideout issues with a tight end, but Gesicki would pose a major issue for Robert Tonyan, who has 17 receptions over this past three games. Graziano also mentioned Albert Okwuegbunam as a potential trade candidate who would make sense in Green Bay.

SOURCE: ESPN.com

[WVRed]

Chiefs trade for Kedarius Toney.

Anyone want to bet this is one that is an under the radar move that will give Mahomes another scoring option?

[Kingspoint]

Chiefs trade for Kedarius Toney.

Anyone want to bet this is one that is an under the radar move that will give Mahomes another scoring option?

Let me know when Toney gets and stays on the field for back-to-back games.

[Rojo Rijo]

While there is no denying Toney is injury plagued, he is also immensely talented. I'm also certain that him not being on the field this season hasnt really been because of injuries, those have just been a nice scapegoat for a bad situation. Toney and the Giants have never been on the same page.

That being said don't be surprised at all if he turns into cheetah 2.0 for KC and Mahomes. The speed and elusiveness are top notch.

[Todd Gack]

Chiefs trade for Kedarius Toney.

Anyone want to bet this is one that is an under the radar move that will give Mahomes another scoring option?

Why would anyone make significant trades in the middle of an NFL season?

[Boston Red]

Lamar should have taken the money the Ravens offered.

[Hillsdale87]

Brady looks pretty bad. I hate to say he's washed because he's proven people wrong so many times, but some of these throws are terrible


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[Todd Gack]

Lamar should have taken the money the Ravens offered.

Lamar Jackson is the only person who thought it was a bad deal.