2022 NFL Season

[goreds2]

Chiefs, Bills Open With Best Odds to Win 2023 Super Bowl

The Rams open with third-best odds to repeat as champions

https://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/sports/super-bowl-2022/chiefs-bills-open-with-best-odds-to-win-2023-super-bowl/3551966/


Here is a look at some of the odds to win the 2023 Super Bowl.

Kansas City Chiefs +650

Buffalo Bills +750

Los Angeles Rams +1100

Green Bay Packers +1400

San Francisco 49ers +1400

Dallas Cowboys +1500

Baltimore Ravens +1600

Cincinnati Bengals +1600

Tennessee Titans +2000

Denver Broncos +2200

Los Angeles Chargers +2200

New England Patriots +2200

Tampa Bay Buccaneers +2200



Full list is in the article link above.

[dubc47834]

Chiefs, Bills Open With Best Odds to Win 2023 Super Bowl

The Rams open with third-best odds to repeat as champions

https://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/sports/super-bowl-2022/chiefs-bills-open-with-best-odds-to-win-2023-super-bowl/3551966/



Full list is in the article link above.

Not sure how the Cowboys, Ravens, and 49er's are that far up the list but whatever. Bengals, Pats, and Chargers should all be higher up the list.

[Todd Gack]

I think we'll open with a primetime game the opening weekend. Could be vs Chiefs or Titans.

[goreds2]

I think we'll open with a primetime game the opening weekend. Could be vs Chiefs or Titans.

I read another possibility is Cowboys at LA Rams.

[goreds2]

Ryan Shazier Names His Favorite for Steelers Next QB

The former linebacker thinks the Pittsburgh Steelers should avoid a rookie.

https://www.si.com/nfl/steelers/news/ryan-shazier-jimmy-garoppolo-pittsburgh-steelers-quarterback


Shazier spoke with 93.7 The Fan about the Steelers next quarterback and said his choice is San Fransisco 49ers passer Jimmy Garoppolo.

"I think somebody like Jimmy Garoppolo could really help," Shazier said. "Personally, I don’t think we should draft a quarterback this year."

The Steelers have been linked to both Pitt's Kenny Pickett and Liberty's Malik Willis in the 2022 NFL Draft. Meanwhile, Garoppolo is expected to leave the 49ers this offseason but Pittsburgh will need to trade for him, as he's not a free agent until 2023.

[RiverRat13]

Not sure how the Cowboys, Ravens, and 49er's are that far up the list but whatever. Bengals, Pats, and Chargers should all be higher up the list.

The Cowboys have a terrible division and are obviously a fan favorite so they will get a lot of action odds-wise. The Ravens had just a boatload of injuries this year. A few key ones before the season even started. I can understand their odds being the same as Cincinnati's as of right now.

[oregonred]

The pecking order in the weaker QB NFc at the moment seems more clear. It's a 6 team race again with the 4 current division Champs + 49ers/Az and likely minus TB. The 2022 AFC is a scrum.

The knee jerk opening odds seem to reflect that train of thought.

[Todd Gack]

I think there's good value with the Broncos/Titans at +2000 or +2200. I think one of them could get Rodgers.

[JaxRed]

BTW I seriously doubt that Aaron Donald retires.

[WVRed]

I thought Burfict knocked a screw loose on AB but apparently it runs in the family:

https://www.si.com/nfl/ravens/news/conjecture-surrounds-marquise-browns-future-with-ravens

[WVRed]

Titans looking at building a new stadium possibly:

https://www.axios.com/local/nashville/2022/02/17/tennessee-titans-new-stadium?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=news_tab

[Slyder]

Titans looking at building a new stadium possibly:

https://www.axios.com/local/nashville/2022/02/17/tennessee-titans-new-stadium?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=news_tab

I'm getting old, some of the "new" stadiums from when I was a kid are beginning to be replaced and are outdated.

[goreds2]

Terrell Davis thinks Aaron Rodgers will join Broncos in 2022


I do,” Davis said when asked if he believes Rodgers will become Denver’s next quarterback. “And I’m not playing, I’m serious. I’ve heard from too many insiders, too many sources — it makes too much sense for us not to get Aaron Rodgers. That’s the talk of Denver …. it sounds like that is the most likely scenario.”

Davis said he thinks former Packers offensive coordinator Nathaniel Hackett becoming the Broncos’ new head coach helps the chances of a trade.

Rodgers is expected to make a decision — either retirement, staying in Green Bay or request a trade — by early March.

https://broncoswire.usatoday.com/2022/02/18/nfl-terrell-davis-thinks-aaron-rodgers-will-join-denver-broncos/

EDIT - I should have placed this in the 2022's QB Carousel thread.

[WVRed]

I'm getting old, some of the "new" stadiums from when I was a kid are beginning to be replaced and are outdated.

Same here. I thought it was ridiculous when the Braves built their new ballpark.

Tennessee getting a football stadium would have ramifications in other sports, namely the SEC.

[CTA513]

Wonder if this might help or hurt them in free agency.



Steelers hire Brian Flores as senior defensive assistant/linebackers coach

Former Dolphins coach Brian Flores may never become an NFL head coach again. However, he’s back in the league.
The Steelers have announced that Flores has been hired to be the team’s senior defensive assistant/linebackers coach.

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2022/02/19/steelers-hire-brian-flores-as-senior-defensive-assistant-linebackers-coach/

[oregonred]

Same here. I thought it was ridiculous when the Braves built their new ballpark.

Tennessee getting a football stadium would have ramifications in other sports, namely the SEC.

Why is that? Vandy might go 1-7 or 2-6 in the SEC instead of the usual 0-8

[KronoRed]

Vandy would never move to a huge stadium where their paltry crowds would look even more pathetic, also I doubt you see the SEC title game move to Nashville, if it ever leaves Atlanta it is going to Arlington.

[goreds2]

PITTSBURGH (AP) — Brian Flores is back in the NFL.

The Pittsburgh Steelers hired the former Miami Dolphins coach on Saturday to serve as a senior defensive assistant. Flores will specialize in working with Pittsburgh’s linebackers, a group that includes NFL Defensive Player of the Year T.J. Watt.

The hiring comes less than three weeks after Flores, who is Black, sued the NFL and three teams over alleged racist hiring practices following his dismissal by Miami. Flores led the Dolphins to consecutive winning seasons before he was fired in January.

Though he has returned to coaching in the league, Flores will not abandon the lawsuit.

https://www.newsnationnow.com/sports/flores-hired-to-steelers-staff-lawsuit-against-nfl-proceeds/

Flores hired to Steelers staff; lawsuit against NFL proceeds

[WrongVerb]

Good move by Pittsburgh.

[WVRed]

Vandy would never move to a huge stadium where their paltry crowds would look even more pathetic, also I doubt you see the SEC title game move to Nashville, if it ever leaves Atlanta it is going to Arlington.

This was what I was referring to but yeah, I don’t see Vandy moving to a NFL stadium.

I could see Nashville using it to attract a SEC title game either in football or basketball. UK would probably jump on it for a neutral site game.

[Tuff Nut]

Vandy would never move to a huge stadium where their paltry crowds would look even more pathetic, also I doubt you see the SEC title game move to Nashville, if it ever leaves Atlanta it is going to Arlington.

I have heard that they are looking at putting a roof on the stadium, so if that happens, I wouldn't rule out the potential for an SEC championship game.

[757690]

I was glad Brady retired, so I wouldn’t have to see him play on Sundays. Now, I’m not so sure…

https://theathletic.com/news/tom-brady-to-produce-paramount-road-trip-movie-80-for-brady-first-project-post-retirement-report/2EBnFAVFc1qS/


Tom Brady to produce Paramount road trip movie '80 for Brady'; first project post-retirement: Report


The movie stars critically acclaimed actresses Lily Tomlin, Jane Fonda, Rita Moreno and Sally Field. The plot chronicles four New England Patriots fans traveling to Houston for Super Bowl LI in 2017, where Brady and the Patriots overcame a 28-3 deficit against the Atlanta Falcons to win another title. Production for the film is scheduled to begin in the spring.

[WVRed]

Troy Aikman to ESPN to be the lead analyst for MNF.

Speculation is Al Michaels could be joining him.

https://nypost.com/2022/02/23/troy-aikman-close-to-leaving-fox-for-monday-night-football/

[goreds2]

Troy Aikman to ESPN to be the lead analyst for MNF.

Speculation is Al Michaels could be joining him.

https://nypost.com/2022/02/23/troy-aikman-close-to-leaving-fox-for-monday-night-football/ That would be a nice different combination for Monday Nights.

[JaxRed]

NFL drops all Covid protocols and rules.

[bm1475]

It was pretty obvious they informally dropped it when suddenly not a single playoff team had any COVID issues of any kind, but at least it's officially out there now.

[WVRed]

Looks like the Falcons need a receiver.

Ridley is suspended the entire season for betting on games.

[kaldaniels]

Calvin Ridley suspended for 2022 for gambling on NFL games.

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[15fan]

Ridley clearly has a lot of demons.

Falcons gotta trade their # 8 overall pick to add more capital in 2022 or 2023 drafts. They have a lot of needs and can definitely get top notch WR to pair with Kyle Pitts in the back half of round 1 draft this year. Having 2 2nd rounders this draft helps, but not enough to fill the holes on the roster.

[Rojo Rijo]

I know this isnt going to sit well with some people but the amount of defending Ridley all through last season by a lot of people was one the most nauseating things I can remember. You couldnt ask if there were updates or if anyone thought he'd be out the whole season without getting rained upon with "There are more important things in life than football" or "He's focusing on himself and I doubt he cares what some random ******* fan thinks of him" etc. etc etc.

To me, thats all fine but for a star WR to just go out and not really say anything then it comes out he's focusing on mental health but you get zero information week after week? Something doesnt add up. Now we find out he was out there Pete Rose'n.

[WrongVerb]

Aaron Rodgers signing new deal stay with Packers (https://nypost.com/2022/03/08/aaron-rodgers-signing-new-deal-stay-with-packers/)

Looks like he got 4/$200 for his troubles.

[Kingspoint]

Brady is not retired. He's just too smart to be stupid enough to play a stupid 17-game regular season, training camp, preseason games and then four playoff games, when he's in position to control the situation. He's not a retired Phillip Rivers waiting to get a call. He's the GOAT, who is probably at this time, the most intelligent QB in the NFL. Almost two weeks to get his timing down if he comes in before a team's bye-week before his first game. Cut the total games in half and he can be healthier for his future, more effective in the playoffs, and still make the same amount of money through non-NFL paychecks by being in the spotlight. He can join any team mid-season who has a chance to go for it, who loses their starting QB (because of the ridiculous length of the season).

I'd say there's an 80% chance he's in the playoffs next season for some team who loses their QB, or is close with an ineffective QB (PHI/WAS).

[Kingspoint]

At least 3 TE's have been franchise-tagged today ($10M). Next off-season's tag number will likely rise significantly.

[redsfandan]

Brady is not retired. He's just too smart to be stupid enough to play a stupid 17-game regular season, training camp, preseason games and then four playoff games, when he's in position to control the situation. He's not a retired Phillip Rivers waiting to get a call. He's the GOAT, who is probably at this time, the most intelligent QB in the NFL. Almost two weeks to get his timing down if he comes in before a team's bye-week before his first game. Cut the total games in half and he can be healthier for his future, more effective in the playoffs, and still make the same amount of money through non-NFL paychecks by being in the spotlight. He can join any team mid-season who has a chance to go for it, who loses their starting QB (because of the ridiculous length of the season).

I'd say there's an 80% chance he's in the playoffs next season for some team who loses their QB, or is close with an ineffective QB (PHI/WAS).

Doesn't he still have a contract with the Bucs?

[Kingspoint]

Doesn't he still have a contract with the Bucs?

Not if they don't pay him when the first roster bonus is due (I believe tomorrow).

[redsfandan]

Not if they don't pay him when the first roster bonus is due (I believe tomorrow).

So they wouldn't own his rights anymore?

[JaxRed]

So they wouldn't own his rights anymore?

I believe the Bucs would still own his rights. You have to file paperwork I believe to retire. I wonder if that's been done. TB has said they won't trade TB. Those who believe he might play again, think he will wait till Tampa makes a move at QB and then unretire, putting Tampa in a bad position.

[UKFlounder]

Tampa owns his rights and would have to trade or cut him for him to play elsewhere.

Retired players don’t receive roster bonuses or any paychecks

[WVRed]

After trading Russell Wilson the Seahawks released Bobby Wagner.

I could see him ending up in Pittsburgh.

[dubc47834]

Tampa owns his rights and would have to trade or cut him for him to play elsewhere.

Retired players don’t receive roster bonuses or any paychecks

Brady will go on the Reserve/Retired list on June 1st. Tampa will still own his rights. He would have to be released or his rights traded for him to play somewhere else next year. that's why Arians said a couple weeks ago they weren't trading his rights, because they would welcome Brady back.

[Kingspoint]

Brady will go on the Reserve/Retired list on June 1st. Tampa will still own his rights. He would have to be released or his rights traded for him to play somewhere else next year. that's why Arians said a couple weeks ago they weren't trading his rights, because they would welcome Brady back.

Thank you.

[WVRed]

Khalil Mack to the Chargers.

[redsfandan]

The Bears have just traded Khalil Mack to the Chargers for a 2nd round pick, a 6th round pick, . . . and that's it. Mack and Bosa will have fun welcoming Russell Wilson to the AFC West.

[WVRed]

Amari Cooper to the Browns. Doesn’t really move the needle much IMO.

[RiverRat13]

Anyone know Amari Cooper's dad's video editing skills?

[RedTeamGo!]

Great move by the Browns

[oregonred]

Cooper feels like poor man's OBJ part 2 in Cleveland. Kind of a head scratcher.

[Wonderful Monds]

The Bears have just traded Khalil Mack to the Chargers for a 2nd round pick, a 6th round pick, . . . and that's it. Mack and Bosa will have fun welcoming Russell Wilson to the AFC West.

Ah man. I wish the Bengals had been in on that.

[Rdirtypirates]

Great move by the Browns

20million and you get an even more we will say outspoken receiver when things don't go well. Landry is better and you are releasing him. This just doenst make them better in my book.

[redsfandan]

Ah man. I wish the Bengals had been in on that.
I'd love to see the Bengals strong on both sides of the line. But, this was mostly a salary dump for Chicago. San Diego will have to pay Mack $63.9 million over the next three years. The Bengals wouldn't have done that.

[Wonderful Monds]

I'd love to see the Bengals strong on both sides of the line. But, this was mostly a salary dump for Chicago. San Diego will have to pay Mack $63.9 million over the next three years. The Bengals wouldn't have done that.

That’s true, although they do have quite a bit of cap space. For that size it probably should go to the OL though.

[KoryMac5]

Great move by the Browns

For a 5th rounder it was a no-brainer for them...

[WVRed]

For a 5th rounder it was a no-brainer for them...

I’d imagine they took on quite a chunk of change from Dallas though that will go toward their salary cap.

[KoryMac5]

I’d imagine they took on quite a chunk of change from Dallas though that will go toward their salary cap.

Browns are taking on 20 million but can release him next year at a 4 million dollar cap hit…worth a shot to see if the can motivate him.

[Betterread]

Paying Amari Cooper $20 million for next year and expecting commensurate production is a move smacking of desperation.

[KoryMac5]

Paying Amari Cooper $20 million for next year and expecting commensurate production is a move smacking of desperation.

It’s risky because you don’t know how motivated he is…as he disappears for multiple games. However it’s a 5th round pick so worth the gamble and they only have to commit to 20 million this upcoming season.

[RedTeamGo!]

Paying Amari Cooper $20 million for next year and expecting commensurate production is a move smacking of desperation.

Folks are acting like he didn’t have 1000+ yards 3 of the last 4 years and 8 TDs last season

[Rdirtypirates]

Folks are acting like he didn’t have 1000+ yards 3 of the last 4 years and 8 TDs last season

If he called dak the black kirk Cousins what is he going to think of Baker? Amari is a great player, I just don't see the fit.

[RedTeamGo!]

If he called dak the black kirk Cousins what is he going to think of Baker? Amari is a great player, I just don't see the fit.

Well, he was 100% correct about Dak, so probably will tell the truth about Baker, lol. I don’t think they are going into 2022 with Baker at the helm.

[Rdirtypirates]

Well, he was 100% correct about Dak, so probably will tell the truth about Baker, lol. I don’t think they are going into 2022 with Baker at the helm.

Any opinions on who that may be because you are a qb away from being really good.

[RedTeamGo!]

Any opinions on who that may be because you are a qb away from being really good.

Honestly don’t know, I just know Baker isn’t the answer.

[WVRed]

Honestly don’t know, I just know Baker isn’t the answer.

Unless they manage to land Deshaun Watson I don’t see anyone in the draft or FA who is an instant upgrade over Baker.

[RedTeamGo!]

Unless they manage to land Deshaun Watson I don’t see anyone in the draft or FA who is an instant upgrade over Baker.

Baker was the worst or 2nd to worst Qb in the nfl last year IIRC

[Bob Sheed]

So Brady is coming back.

[KoryMac5]

So Brady is coming back.

How would you like to be the person who bought Brady's last TD pass ball for 500,000 right now...

[Boston Red]

How would you like to be the person who bought Brady's last TD pass ball for 500,000 right now...

I would love to be a person capable of spending that sum of money on something so trivial.

[Kingspoint]

How would you like to be the person who bought Brady's last TD pass ball for 500,000 right now...

Jalen Ramsey had a great tweet...

"THANK YOU. Throw that last TD pass against somebody else."

[Kingspoint]

I knew Brady wasn't retired. Just thought he'd figured out a way to not play so many games. Bucs had too many older players miss games last season because of that ridiculously long schedule they play. Bucs need to go Popovich with their older players and rest them regularly during the regular season. They can waltz into the playoffs in the NFC, so missing 4 regular season games for all of their older players, including Brady, shouldn't impact their ability to make the playoffs. They play in the same Division as ATL, NOP and CAR. 9 Wins gets you that Division Crown. Rest them against the NFC West opponents, because their Division Rivals are all going to go ofer against them, anyway. You can then concentrate on winning the intradivision games and the intraconference games, where the wins are worth two games as far as tie-breakers are concerned.

[Kingspoint]

Honestly don’t know, I just know Baker isn’t the answer.

Spinning their wheels with him is stupid considering the quality of everything else they have. They'd be better off with Ryan Fitzpatrick.

[Kingspoint]

BAL's Defense just got a lot better with the addition of FS Marcus Williams ($70M/5yrs). They're hosting just released DT Eddie Goldman on Friday.

BAL is making a serious run to be relevant in the AFC by building a Top-5 Defense. They still have Lamar Jackson. They added a RT to replace one of two they lost. Bengals could make a huge dent by stealing their C.

[Kingspoint]

Nothing would make the rest of the Division happier than to see CLE leave Mayfield their starting QB.

From NBC Sports w/ NBC Sports comments:

Baker Mayfield has posted a cryptic message to Browns fans on his Twitter account.

Forgive the gossipy news description, but we weren't sure what else to call Mayfield's multi-paragraph message to the people of Cleveland. "I have given this franchise everything I have," Mayfield said. "That is something I have done at every stage, and at every level. And that will not change wherever I take my next snap. Whatever happens ... I just want to say thank you." Alrighty then. The Browns and Mayfield were basically already in open combat before the team met with Deshaun Watson on Tuesday. Now the breach appears irreparable. Not that Mayfield really possesses anything in the way of leverage coming off his dismal 2021. Nevertheless, stay tuned.

SOURCE: Baker Mayfield on Twitter

[Slyder]

Nothing would make the rest of the Division happier than to see CLE leave Mayfield their starting QB.

From NBC Sports w/ NBC Sports comments:

Baker Mayfield has posted a cryptic message to Browns fans on his Twitter account.

Forgive the gossipy news description, but we weren't sure what else to call Mayfield's multi-paragraph message to the people of Cleveland. "I have given this franchise everything I have," Mayfield said. "That is something I have done at every stage, and at every level. And that will not change wherever I take my next snap. Whatever happens ... I just want to say thank you." Alrighty then. The Browns and Mayfield were basically already in open combat before the team met with Deshaun Watson on Tuesday. Now the breach appears irreparable. Not that Mayfield really possesses anything in the way of leverage coming off his dismal 2021. Nevertheless, stay tuned.

SOURCE: Baker Mayfield on Twitter

I wouldn't mind him as a project rebuild in LV where he can sit and watch (until Carr either leaves as FA or demands a trade to a real franchise with a plan) . Baker was so beat up last year and tried... but some just aren't able to raise their games through such injuries.

[Kingspoint]

I wouldn't mind him as a project rebuild in LV where he can sit and watch (until Carr either leaves as FA or demands a trade to a real franchise with a plan) . Baker was so beat up last year and tried... but some just aren't able to raise their games through such injuries.

It's his decision-making. He lacks the correct type of intelligence, just like Carson Wentz, to be a Starting QB in the NFL.

[Slyder]

It's his decision-making. He lacks the correct type of intelligence, just like Carson Wentz, to be a Starting QB in the NFL.

Someone QB desperate will pay more than I would, I'm just saying he'd be a type of guy that in the right situation and given time to learn might make a capable reclamation project. I've always been high on him since seeing him at Oklahoma, he's been too Brett Favre gunslinger without the proper arm talent to make up for questionable decision making.

[Kingspoint]

So, J.D. McKissic changes his mind and signs with WAS instead of BUF.

DE Randy Gregory changed his mind and went with DEN after saying he'd resign with DAL.

[WrongVerb]

So, J.D. McKissic changes his mind and signs with WAS instead of BUF.

DE Randy Gregory changed his mind and went with DEN after saying he'd resign with DAL.

Didn't Gregory originally agree to a deal with Denver, then say he was going back to Dallas, before finally signing with Denver?

[Kingspoint]

Didn't Gregory originally agree to a deal with Denver, then say he was going back to Dallas, before finally signing with Denver?

:dunno:

[Kingspoint]

From NBC Sports w/ NBC Sports comments:


Bills signed OLB Von Miller, formerly of the Rams, to a six-year, $120 million contract.

No team allowed fewer points than the Bills last year and now they add an eight-time Pro Bowl linebacker to the squad. The arms race in the AFC has officially gone nuclear. After the Broncos traded Miller to the Rams in the middle of the 2021 season, he totaled five sacks across eight games for his new team. Miller looked even more dominant in the postseason, notching four sacks in as many games before he and the Rams got to hoist the Lombardy Trophy as Super Bowl champions. It's a massive deal for a 32-year-old defender but Miller has shown no signs of slowing and the Bills are competing at the top of a stacked AFC conference. A bolstered pass-rush allows Buffalo to double down on their already stellar defense from 2021 in an effort to quell the likes of Patrick Mahomes, Joe Burrow, and Justin Herbert. The deal also makes Miller one of the five highest-paid edge defenders in the NFL.

SOURCE: Ian Rapoport on Twitter

[RiverRat13]

So is the NFC just not going to try anymore?

[CTA513]

Could be a decent pickup for anyone looking for a veteran WR.


Buffalo Bills release WR Cole Beasley after not finding trade partner

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/33526606/buffalo-bills-release-wr-cole-beasley-not-finding-trade-partner

[WVRed]

Rams just signed Allen Robinson.

[WVRed]

Raiders just traded for Davante Adams

[UKFlounder]

And gave him something g like 5 years $14+ million


Aaron Rodgers must be thrilled.



Raiders just traded for Davante Adams

[Redhook]

Man, the AFC West might be the most talented division of all time.

[redsfandan]

And gave him something g like 5 years $14+ million


Aaron Rodgers must be thrilled.

It will still be easier for him to get to the Super Bowl on a NFC team.

[WVRed]

It will still be easier for him to get to the Super Bowl on a NFC team.

The NFC is basically the NBA Eastern Conference.

[Betterread]

Raiders just traded for Davante Adams

That is a huge talent loss for GB. And he won’t have the same chemistry with Carr.

[Kingspoint]

That is a huge talent loss for GB. And he won’t have the same chemistry with Carr.

They were college teammates at Fresno State.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FOFtpo4VUAAgbbj?format=jpg&name=small

[WrongVerb]

Gotta think the Packers told Rodgers that Adams would be traded if Rodgers signed his new contract.

[BuckeyeRed27]

They were college teammates at Fresno State.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FOFtpo4VUAAgbbj?format=jpg&name=small

That Fresno St team was gonna play in a BCS game until they inexplicably lost to a pretty awful San Jose St team in a crazy shootout Thanksgiving weekend.

[BuckeyeRed27]

The NFC is basically the NBA Eastern Conference.

Should give a quick once over of the NBA standings.

[redsfandan]

Gotta think the Packers told Rodgers that Adams would be traded if Rodgers signed his new contract.

Yeah, IF they're smart this can't be a total surprise.

[Betterread]

Carr’s best receiver connection in his career was Amari Cooper. Davonte is on another level than Cooper. He is the best receiver in the league at running routes that get separation. Will Carr have unprecedented success or will he be a drag on Davonte’s production?

[Betterread]

Reported that Adams was offered more money by the Packers, but he always wanted to play for the Raiders.

[Puffy]

Yeah, IF they're smart this can't be a total surprise.

Yeah. Plus, with trade, they now have 2 first round picks in a great receiver draft. They can add a weapon or two with any 2 of their first 5 picks.

[Chip R]

Could be a decent pickup for anyone looking for a veteran WR.

Not sure anyone wants that headache.

[Kingspoint]

The AFC Powers:

Cincinnati Bengals
Kansas City Chiefs
Buffalo Bills
San Diego Chargers
Tennessee Titans
Cleveland Browns
Denver Broncos
New England Patriots
Las Vegas Raiders

Depending what happens the rest of the offseason:

Indianapolis Colts
Baltimore Ravens

The bottom-feeders:

Miami Dolphins
New York Jets
Houston Texans
Pittsburgh Steelers
Jacksonville Jaguars

[WVRed]

Juju signed with the Chiefs.

Figures he would fit in with that clown show.

[redsfandan]

The AFC Powers:

Cincinnati Bengals
Kansas City Chiefs
Buffalo Bills
San Diego Chargers
Tennessee Titans
Cleveland Browns
Denver Broncos
New England Patriots
Las Vegas Raiders

Depending what happens the rest of the offseason:

Indianapolis Colts
Baltimore Ravens

The bottom-feeders:

Miami Dolphins
New York Jets
Houston Texans
Pittsburgh Steelers
Jacksonville Jaguars

I was wrong. The AFC will have more than just a winning record vs the NFC.

[Stray]

ESPN's John Clayton died today. One of the best ever.

RIP

[Stray]

Also, this is up there with the Steve Irwin SC commercial as my favorite ever.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XvXRaSvxmqg

[JaxRed]

The Deshaun Watson deal will be crazy for Browns. It has massive bust possibilities. 3 first rounders and 230 million guaranteed. Biggest draft haul since Herschel Walker I'm told. The caps hits starting next year will be big.

In the meantime, if Houston drafts well and Davis Mills turns into a serviceable starting QB, they could get well quickly. 3 extra first rounders and a super cheap QB go a long way. And this years pick is #3.

[UKFlounder]

Terrible news. Really enjoyed him



ESPN's John Clayton died today. One of the best ever.

RIP

[WVRed]

The Deshaun Watson deal will be crazy for Browns. It has massive bust possibilities. 3 first rounders and 230 million guaranteed. Biggest draft haul since Herschel Walker I'm told. The caps hits starting next year will be big.

In the meantime, if Houston drafts well and Davis Mills turns into a serviceable starting QB, they could get well quickly. 3 extra first rounders and a super cheap QB go a long way. And this years pick is #3.

I don’t think Davis Mills is a long term option but Houston is going to be in a long term rebuild. This years QB class is pretty weak and odds are Houston will have a high pick next year when Bryce Young and CJ Stroud are available.

[RedTeamGo!]

The Deshaun Watson deal will be crazy for Browns. It has massive bust possibilities. 3 first rounders and 230 million guaranteed. Biggest draft haul since Herschel Walker I'm told. The caps hits starting next year will be big.

In the meantime, if Houston drafts well and Davis Mills turns into a serviceable starting QB, they could get well quickly. 3 extra first rounders and a super cheap QB go a long way. And this years pick is #3.

If you don’t have a QB you don’t have anything.

The Browns had one of the best rosters in the NFL but a horrible QB. They now have an elite QB.

[redsfandan]

Just received a notification that there have been something like a thousand donations to a Cleveland rape/crisis center (since the news that Cleveland was getting Watson). That was part of the local reaction in less than 24 hours.

[The Operator]

Leave it to The Browns to finally land a franchise QB but still look bad doing so because that QB has even more sexual misconduct allegations against him than Ben Roethlisberger.

[KoryMac5]

It was between the Panthers and Browns and the Panthers would not fully guarantee Watsons contract...Once the Browns did it became a done deal.

[KoryMac5]

If you don’t have a QB you don’t have anything.

The Browns had one of the best rosters in the NFL but a horrible QB. They now have an elite QB.

Who didn't play all of last year and may be suspended this season...plus there are those 21 civil suits that will follow him and the entire team around all season. The circus is coming to Cleveland.

[The Operator]

Who didn't play all of last year and may be suspended this season...plus there are those 21 civil suits that will follow him and the entire team around all season. The circus is coming to Cleveland.

I have multiple long-time Browns fan friends who made very long and seemingly heartfelt Facebook posts about how they can’t support the team anymore.

Crazy times for sure.

[WVRed]

I have multiple long-time Browns fan friends who made very long and seemingly heartfelt Facebook posts about how they can’t support the team anymore.

Crazy times for sure.

Not to mention Browns fans can’t say anything about the Steelers history with Roethlisberger. That torch has now been passed to Cleveland.

[The Operator]

Not to mention Browns fans can’t say anything about the Steelers history with Roethlisberger. That torch has now been passed to Cleveland.

Just saw a post floating around where the founder of DawgPoundNation is shutting all of his Facebook/Twitter/etc accounts down.

Damn.

[savafan]

I have multiple long-time Browns fan friends who made very long and seemingly heartfelt Facebook posts about how they can’t support the team anymore.

Crazy times for sure.

I’m a longtime Browns fan, and I’m really having a hard time thinking about rooting for a team with Watson as its QB. I don’t know if I can do it.


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[Betterread]

I’m a longtime Browns fan, and I’m really having a hard time thinking about rooting for a team with Watson as its QB. I don’t know if I can do it.


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Don’t worry so much about it. If the team wins, most fans will rationalize his transgressions. Many Bengals fans love Mixon, and hate Rothisberger, and they are both misogynists. Winning excuses everything for many fans.
If the team doesn’t win, you can judge him because he’s a loser. It’s the (republican) American approach to competition.

[Todd Gack]

Don’t worry so much about it. If the team wins, most fans will rationalize his transgressions. Many Bengals fans love Mixon, and hate Rothisberger, and they are both misogynists. Winning excuses everything for many fans.
If the team doesn’t win, you can judge him because he’s a loser. It’s the (republican) American approach to competition.

Dont' forget that Joe hates gay people too.

[SteelSD]

Don’t worry so much about it. If the team wins, most fans will rationalize his transgressions. Many Bengals fans love Mixon, and hate Rothisberger, and they are both misogynists. Winning excuses everything for many fans.
If the team doesn’t win, you can judge him because he’s a loser. It’s the (republican) American approach to competition.

I don't think you have to even have to bring Bengals fans into play, when you talk about duplicity. Browns fans have already rooted for Kareem Hunt for three seasons now.

[Kingspoint]

Not to mention Browns fans can’t say anything about the Steelers history with Roethlisberger. That torch has now been passed to Cleveland.

That torch has not been passed. Not even close.

[Kingspoint]

The NFL has created this situation, completely unique in sports, where one position gets an obtuse portion of the player pool money. That's going to have negative consequences.

[redsfandan]

Just received a notification that there have been something like a thousand donations to a Cleveland rape/crisis center (since the news that Cleveland was getting Watson). That was part of the local reaction in less than 24 hours.


The NFL has created this situation, completely unique in sports, where one position gets an obtuse portion of the player pool money. That's going to have negative consequences.

[Roy Tucker]

I feel the same as you guys, but if the Browns win, this will be relegated to the 5th page of the sports section. The NFL doesn’t like negative pub and will drown it out.

[Kingspoint]

...or positive consequences, as in donations to the needed organization, as you, redsfandan, point out.

[redsfandan]

I feel the same as you guys, but if the Browns win, this will be relegated to the 5th page of the sports section. The NFL doesn’t like negative pub and will drown it out.
Sad but true.

...or positive consequences, as in donations to the needed organization, as you, redsfandan, point out.
Donations to are always good. But, Watson is going to have to be a choir boy.

[Kingspoint]

Sad but true.

Donations to are always good. But, Watson is going to have to be a choir boy.

He needs to get married and have kids right away.

[Betterread]

He needs to get married and have kids right away.

And put out about 100 fires, and pay for a new four lane divided highway, and build a new hospital wing, and….

[Chip R]

I understand the Browns structured Watson's deal so he's getting (relatively) very little money this season in case he's suspended. That way he won't lose as much money as he would if he were getting full salary.

[Rojo Rijo]

I feel the same as you guys, but if the Browns win, this will be relegated to the 5th page of the sports section. The NFL doesn’t like negative pub and will drown it out.

100%. All he has to do is win.

[RedTeamGo!]

A neighbor of mine is a lawyer and was telling me about the legal side of this whole Watson case. I gotta say, a lot of weird stuff going on around it. Apparently the prosecution had no actual evidence and that is why it was thrown out. Usually with things like this when there is smoke there is fire, but they couldn't find anything to prove it with 22 accusations? How is that possible?

[RedTeamGo!]

Don’t worry so much about it. If the team wins, most fans will rationalize his transgressions. Many Bengals fans love Mixon, and hate Rothisberger, and they are both misogynists. Winning excuses everything for many fans.
If the team doesn’t win, you can judge him because he’s a loser. It’s the (republican) American approach to competition.

Good point about Mixon. Calling him a misogynist is putting it lightly. The guy destroyed a 100 lb girls face because she stood up to him after he was throwing a bunch of homosexual slurs at her friend. He is an absolute scumbag and Bengals fans seemingly have no problem with him being on their team.

[Betterread]

I think there is a lot of media coverage about the legal part of athletes and sexual assault/rape. Almost as if the main aspect was the impact to the accused. There should more coverage on the impact to the victim. But of course, that requires a lot changes for the justice system.
In many of these cases, whether or not a crime has been committed, there is clear female objectification and misogyny present. And if we as male fans want to include women in our fandom in any way, we need to be more aware of such horrible behavior and adjust our team support in a way that communicates - this behavior is not acceptable for players of the organization.

[Rdirtypirates]

A neighbor of mine is a lawyer and was telling me about the legal side of this whole Watson case. I gotta say, a lot of weird stuff going on around it. Apparently the prosecution had no actual evidence and that is why it was thrown out. Usually with things like this when there is smoke there is fire, but they couldn't find anything to prove it with 22 accusations? How is that possible?


Good point about Mixon. Calling him a misogynist is putting it lightly. The guy destroyed a 100 lb girls face because she stood up to him after he was throwing a bunch of homosexual slurs at her friend. He is an absolute scumbag and Bengals fans seemingly have no problem with him being on their team.

I forget what is your team? I am glad your neighbor has intimate knowledge of this case. That is usually how these things work.

[Sea Ray]

A neighbor of mine is a lawyer and was telling me about the legal side of this whole Watson case. I gotta say, a lot of weird stuff going on around it. Apparently the prosecution had no actual evidence and that is why it was thrown out. Usually with things like this when there is smoke there is fire, but they couldn't find anything to prove it with 22 accusations? How is that possible?

There's rarely evidence with these sorts of cases. It's usually he said/she said and the crux of it is whether it was consensual. Are 22 women embellishing what happened? Highly unlikely

[RiverRat13]

The actual number is 25. 22 are in the civil suit. Two of the 10 that pressed charges aren't filing a civil suit. Then there is one who didn't file charges or sue but parts of her story were verified by a reporter.

Who goes to 25 different massage therapists? Does it make any sense for a multimillionaire to randomly set up appointments with that many different females? A guy who could easily afford one massage therapist to be on call but instead contacts random women?

Watson has admitted that there was sexual contact in some of these encounters, but says it was all consensual. What kind of creep goes to a massage expecting sex? Now put that into the context of 25 different accusers. You'd have to really believe in a widespread conspiracy to think this was contrived. Or just a Browns fan who wants to justify his team's actions.

[RedTeamGo!]

There's rarely evidence with these sorts of cases. It's usually he said/she said and the crux of it is whether it was consensual. Are 22 women embellishing what happened? Highly unlikely

Very true, and that is what my neighbor said as well. But, he said the judge threw it out because there was not one piece of evidence. Which, he said was shocking to him.

[Wonderful Monds]

Good point about Mixon. Calling him a misogynist is putting it lightly. The guy destroyed a 100 lb girls face because she stood up to him after he was throwing a bunch of homosexual slurs at her friend. He is an absolute scumbag and Bengals fans seemingly have no problem with him being on their team.

Mixon ****ed up super bad, but at least he gave a sincere apology and the woman forgave him


“I greatly appreciate his apology and I think the feelings he expressed were sincere. We both could have handled things differently. I believe if we had a chance to go back to that moment in time, the situation would not have ended the way it did."

Not that it justifies it in anyway, but I have complicated feelings about fully condemning a black man from making an extremely ****ed up mistake after being called a racial slur.

Either way, it’s not remotely the same thing as serially sexually assaulting 20+ women, and to try to deflect rightful scorn directed at Watson by bringing up Watson is super lame.

[RedTeamGo!]

Mixon ****ed up super bad, but at least he gave a sincere apology and the woman forgave him



Not that it justifies it in anyway, but I have complicated feelings about fully condemning a black man from making an extremely ****ed up mistake after being called a racial slur.

Either way, it’s not remotely the same thing as serially sexually assaulting 20+ women, and to try to deflect rightful scorn directed at Watson by bringing up Watson is super lame.

Not really a deflection, more of a "not so fast, Bengals fans."

Been seeing a lot of Bengals fans act all high and mighty on social media about this, and nah.

[Rdirtypirates]

Very true, and that is what my neighbor said as well. But, he said the judge threw it out because there was not one piece of evidence. Which, he said was shocking to him.

May I ask how your lawyer neighbor is involved in this case and is getting all this " inside info?" People actually defending this and trying to deflect to other crimes says all you need to know.

[Sea Ray]

Not really a deflection, more of a "not so fast, Bengals fans."

Been seeing a lot of Bengals fans act all high and mighty on social media about this, and nah.

Position matters. It'd be far different if it was Joe Burrow rather than Joe Mixon. That said, when Mixon was drafted he admitted his mistake and vowed to be a model citizen. All indications are that he's been exactly that as a Bengal. At this point I think he should be commended as the model reform story

[RedTeamGo!]

May I ask how your lawyer neighbor is involved in this case and is getting all this " inside info?" People actually defending this and trying to deflect to other crimes says all you need to know.

What inside info? He was referring to what is public

[Rdirtypirates]

What inside info? He was referring to what is public

You kept speaking like there was some unknown information that didn't make him guilty as hell out their.

People are disgusted, but are thinking hey we might have a better qb then Baker so they will stomach it and try to find ways to deflect. You do whatever it us you guys need to do, but at the end of the day you all know who you are supporting.

[RedTeamGo!]

You kept speaking like there was some unknown information that didn't make him guilty as hell out their.

People are disgusted, but are thinking hey we might have a better qb then Baker so they will stomach it and try to find ways to deflect. You do whatever it us you guys need to do, but at the end of the day you all know who you are supporting.

Aaaaaand the same goes with you and Joe Mixon. Like I was saying, Bengals fans acting all high and mighty and nahhhh

[Sea Ray]

What inside info? He was referring to what is public

It was a grand jury case. Those things are sealed and not public. How does your buddy know what was presented to the grand jury? He ought to be the first guy to know such info is not public

[RedTeamGo!]

It was a grand jury case. Those things are sealed and not public. How does your buddy know what was presented to the grand jury? He ought to be the first guy to know such info is not public

I will have to ask him that question, will do so next time the kids are outside playing together


A grand jury in Houston heard evidence Friday in a criminal case against Watson — the same day depositions in the lawsuits began — and declined to indict him.

How did this happen so quickly? Same day the depositions began it was thrown out? Seems odd.

[Sea Ray]

You kept speaking like there was some unknown information that didn't make him guilty as hell out their.

People are disgusted, but are thinking hey we might have a better qb then Baker so they will stomach it and try to find ways to deflect. You do whatever it us you guys need to do, but at the end of the day you all know who you are supporting.

RTG has either been fed some BS or he is feeding us BS. Either way, it's BS. It's not public knowledge what evidence was presented to the grand jury

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I will have to ask him that question, will do so next time the kids are outside playing together

You said it's public knowledge. Show us where

[Rdirtypirates]

Aaaaaand the same goes with you and Joe Mixon. Like I was saying, Bengals fans acting all high and mighty and nahhhh

I am not a Mixon fan, but a mistake by a teenager doesn't amount to 25 sexual assaults in my eyes. This is a thing for Cleveland like Kareem Hunt. You feel like they are acting high and mighty because you know how disgusting this is.

[RedTeamGo!]

I am not a Mixon fan, but a mistake by a teenager doesn't amount to 25 sexual assaults in my eyes. This is a thing for Cleveland like Kareem Hunt. You feel like they are acting high and mighty because you know how disgusting this is.

I am simply saying this case seems a bit odd to me. I think it is strange the grand jury charges got thrown out in a few hours. My FIL was on a grand jury a few years ago and it lasted like 2 weeks. Seems like a case like this would have so much evidence it would take at least a week to go through all of it.

[Wonderful Monds]

Aaaaaand the same goes with you and Joe Mixon. Like I was saying, Bengals fans acting all high and mighty and nahhhh

No, Watson is worse, that is my point, it’s a really poor equivocation. Rooting for a guy who has by all accounts done everything they can to make right for the messed things they did is not the same as doing so for a guy with 22 current unsettled accusations of sexual assault against them.

[WrongVerb]

Mixon ****ed up super bad, but at least he gave a sincere apology and the woman forgave him

Mixon also seems to have been a model citizen after that. It's almost like, as an 18 year old kid, he learned a big lesson and adjusted his behavior accordingly. Now he's 25, and you don't hear anything about him being violent outside of the football field.

[RedTeamGo!]

No, Watson is worse, that is my point, it’s a really poor equivocation. Rooting for a guy who has by all accounts done everything they can to make right for the messed things they did is not the same as doing so for a guy with 22 current unsettled accusations of sexual assault against them.

I honestly may not know the whole story. What exactly is Watson being accused of? I thought he asked massage therapists if they would give him a tug with his rub? Some said yes and some said no. Is that really worse than beating a teenage girl near death for standing up for her gay friend?

[Sea Ray]

I honestly may not know the whole story. What exactly is Watson being accused of? I thought he asked massage therapists if they would give him a tug with his rub? Some said yes and some said no. Is that really worse than beating a teenage girl near death for standing up for her gay friend?


On March 16, 2021, a Houston massage therapist filed a civil lawsuit delivered by attorney Tony Buzbee against Watson, claiming that Watson had touched her with the tip of his erect penis while asking her for sex during a visit to her home for treatment in March 2020. Watson vehemently denied Buzbee's claims, stating that "I have never treated any woman with anything other than the utmost respect." According to the suit, the massage therapist immediately ended the session and cried after the incident. Several weeks later, two additional NFL players contacted the massage therapist on Watson's recommendation. The suit also claims that Watson later reached out to the massage therapist and apologized for his actions.[152]

The next day, another massage therapist represented by Buzbee claimed that Watson had met her at the Houstonian Hotel in August 2020 and completely undressed and refused to cover up, directing her to massage his anus and penis and making a movement that caused her to touch his penis. The therapist also claims that Watson had only paid her half of the charges due for her services.[153]

On March 18, 2021, a third civil lawsuit was filed against Watson, alleging that he had forced a massage therapist to perform oral sex on him before she blacked out in an office building in December 2020. The therapist claims that after Watson left, she was shaken and defecated on herself. Also on March 18, the NFL announced that it would investigate the sexual assault allegations made against Watson.[154]

On March 19, 2021, Buzbee claimed that nine more civil suits had been filed against Watson (for a total of 12) and that 22 women contacted his office regarding Watson's conduct while receiving massages. Buzbee requested that the Houston Police Department and the Harris County, Texas district attorney investigate the situation and pursue criminal charges against Watson. One of the nine new civil suits alleges that Watson attempted to forcibly kiss a woman, and another suit alleges that he had attempted to assault the same woman on two separate occasions.[155]

On March 22, 2021, a 14th lawsuit was filed by a woman who called Watson a "serial predator." The incident allegedly took place in California, just the second of the 14 allegations to take place outside the Houston area. The traveling massage therapist alleged that when she arrived at the address that Watson had provided, he led her to a room and "locked the doors behind him." After Watson allegedly "forced Plaintiff's hand onto his penis" during the massage, he allegedly told her, "I will not have you sign an NDA, but don't ever talk about this." The plaintiff also alleges that Watson reached out on Instagram in December, "acting as if nothing had happened."[156]

As of April 5, 2021, 22 lawsuits have been filed against Watson,[157] though 18 professional massage therapists have since expressed support of his character, saying that the allegations contradict their experiences with Watson.[158]

[Rdirtypirates]

I honestly may not know the whole story. What exactly is Watson being accused of? I thought he asked massage therapists if they would give him a tug with his rub? Some said yes and some said no. Is that really worse than beating a teenage girl near death for standing up for her gay friend?

Man your lawyer friend let you down on this one.

[Sea Ray]

I honestly may not know the whole story. What exactly is Watson being accused of? I thought he asked massage therapists if they would give him a tug with his rub? Some said yes and some said no. Is that really worse than beating a teenage girl near death for standing up for her gay friend?

Beating a girl to near death? Are you confident in your facts re: Mixon? It's my understanding that a woman slapped him. He punched back once causing her to fall and injure herself. Is that beating her to death? Legally it was a misdemeanor

[Bob Sheed]

Beating a girl to near death? Are you confident in your facts re: Mixon? It's my understanding that a woman slapped him. He punched back once causing her to fall and injure herself. Is that beating her to death? Legally it was a misdemeanor

Cracked her skull, if memory serves. Enough so she required plastic surgery. Like being in a really bad car accident. She was what, 100 pounds? But sure, victim blame.

[Wonderful Monds]

I honestly may not know the whole story. What exactly is Watson being accused of? I thought he asked massage therapists if they would give him a tug with his rub? Some said yes and some said no. Is that really worse than beating a teenage girl near death for standing up for her gay friend?

Sexual battery, up to and including forcible rape are the accusations against Watson

[Wonderful Monds]

Here’s a reddit thread that includes all the text from the various lawsuits and legal statements

https://www.reddit.com/r/nfl/comments/md9av6/deshaun_watson_allegations_a_detailed/

[Sea Ray]

Cracked her skull, if memory serves. Enough so she required plastic surgery. Like being in a really bad car accident. She was what, 100 pounds? But sure, victim blame.

No one's blaming the victim. He was guilty, admitted it and paid the price:


In October 2014, Joe Mixon entered an Alford Pleas to a felony assault charge. He punched a young woman named Amelia Molitor and broke her facial bones, which led to her being hospitalized and undergoing several operations.

On July 25, 2014, the incident took place in Norman, Oklahoma. According to Molitor, Mixon and his teammates were harassing her and her friends. Mixon and Molitor had an argument that followed and pushed, slapped, spat on Mixon’s face, and punched him.

The fist reportedly caused her to smash into a table and break her jaw. Therefore, Mixon received a one-year suspended sentence and was asked to be comforted once with 100 hours of community service.

He was arrested and charged with punching a woman in the restaurant, breaking four bones in her face, in July 2014, before his first season with the Sooners began. On April 21, 2017, Joe apologized to Amelia.

https://www.wiki.ng/en/wiki/video-joe-mixon-domestic-abuse-update-did-he-really-beat-his-girlfriend-861591

[Rojo Rijo]

Thread is teetering on the edge of being closed. Let's try and reset course here....

[Kingspoint]

And put out about 100 fires, and pay for a new four lane divided highway, and build a new hospital wing, and….

Lawyers put out the fires and create goodwill, and he's paying top dollar for the best right now. He just needs to just put the matches away. I mean, I wouldn't root for the guy. Mixon's incident was completely reasonable given the circumstances in the situation, and his life since then seems to complement that. There was nothing premeditated about what Mixon did, nor did he seek out the situation. Watson is clearly a serial rapist.

[Betterread]

Vikes sign Za’darius Smith 3yrs $42 million. Hope are that he can return to his Pro Bowl form of 2019, 2020.
Does this mean DHunter will be traded? Or Anthony Barr released? Or are they keeping all of them? TBD

[Sea Ray]

As of right now DeShaun Watson is costing the Browns $55mill against the cap in 2023 with an unheard of dead cap hit of $220mill. That's a nutty cap hit and not the formula for winning the Super Bowl. Watson is one new sexual assault charge from getting kicked out of the league for good. If that happens, I don't know what this does to the Browns cap. The contract is fully guaranteed but I don't know if it's guaranteed against a new suspension. Even if he plays, it's going to be tricky to surround him with players

https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/cleveland-browns/cap/2023/

[BuckeyeRed27]

As of right now DeShaun Watson is costing the Browns $55mill against the cap in 2023 with an unheard of dead cap hit of $220mill. That's a nutty cap hit and not the formula for winning the Super Bowl. Watson is one new sexual assault charge from getting kicked out of the league for good. If that happens, I don't know what this does to the Browns cap. The contract is fully guaranteed but I don't know if it's guaranteed against a new suspension. Even if he plays, it's going to be tricky to surround him with players

https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/cleveland-browns/cap/2023/

It’s certainly high, but they have all their top guys signed through 23 except Ward and can still afford to pay him.

Obviously the Browns are counting on Watson to discontinue being a moron.

[RiverRat13]

I've heard the cap will $260 million by 2024. The Browns aren't dumb. They know the cap.

[Sea Ray]

I've heard the cap will $260 million by 2024. The Browns aren't dumb. They know the cap.

Jimmy Haslem is not known for his football smarts

[RiverRat13]

Terron Armstead to the Dolphins. Another premium talent going from the NFC to AFC.

[Kingspoint]

Terron Armstead to the Dolphins. Another premium talent going from the NFC to AFC.

Unbelievable.

MIA desperately trying to not be a bottom-feeder in the AFC.

NBC Sports' comments:

Miami signed LT Terron Armstead, formerly of the Saints, to a five-year, $75 million contract. The stud left tackle can propel his contract to an $87.5 million valuation through incentives. His deal also includes $43.4 million in guarantees. Armstead was the crown jewel of the free agency class as far as offensive linemen were concerned. He missed nine games last year because of a knee issue but entered the 2021 season coming off three consecutive Pro Bowl nods. The Dolphins' primarily objective this offseason was to overhaul their dreadful line and the addition of Armstead isn't the first step. They also added left guard Connor Williams earlier in free agency. Pro Football Focus ranked the Dolphins' line as the worst unit in the league last year and charted them as allowing more pressure than any other group. The signings greatly improve the outlooks of Tua Tagovailoa and the backfield. Spearheaded by Chase Edmonds and Raheem Mostert, expect the Dolphins to finish better than their placement of No. 31 in yards per carry as a team.

SOURCE: Adam Schefter on Twitter

MIA still has for picks this year (2022): 1 in the 1st, 1 in the 2nd, 1 in the 3rd, 2 in the 4th, 1 in the 5th, 0 in the 6th and 2 in the 7th.

MIA still has for picks next year (2023): 2 in the 1st, 1 in the 2nd, 1 in the 3rd, 1 in the 4th, 1 in the 5th, 2 in the 6th and 1 in the 7th, plus any compensatory picks awarded next season, if any.

[Kingspoint]

The flipside of the AFC being so strong is that the NFC will dominate this year's draft, with the notable exception of HOU and NYJ.

The teams with the most top-heavy picks from both leagues:

The AFC:

HOU:

Round 1: Nos. 3, 13 (from Browns) overall
Round 2: No. 37
Round 3: Nos. 68, 80 (from Saints)
Round 4: Nos. 107 (from Lions through Browns), 108
Round 6: Nos. 183, 205 (from Packers), 207 (from 49ers through Jets)
Round 7: No. 245 (from Cowboys)

NYJ:

Round 1: Nos. 4, 10 (from Seahawks) overall
Round 2: Nos. 35, 38 (from Panthers)
Round 3: No. 69
Round 4: Nos. 111 (from Panthers), 117 (from Vikings)
Round 5: Nos. 146, 163 (from Steelers)

And, because the #1 pick has so much value beginning each round, there is one more AFC team:

JAX:

Round 1: No. 1 overall
Round 2: No. 33
Round 3: Nos. 65, 70 (from Panthers)
Round 4: No. 106
Round 5: No. 157 (from Vikings)
Round 6: Nos. 180, 188 (from Seahawks), 197 (from Eagles), 198 (from Steelers)
Round 7: Nos. 222, 235 (from Ravens)


The NFC:

Round 1: Nos. 15 (from Dolphins), 16 (from Colts), 19 overall
Round 2: No. 51
Round 3: No. 83
Round 4: No. 124
Round 5: Nos. 154 (from Commanders), 162, 166 (from Cardinals)
Round 6: No. 194 (from Colts)

NYG:

Round 1: Nos. 5, 7 (from Bears) overall
Round 2: No. 36
Round 3: Nos. 67, 81 (from Dolphins)
Round 4: No. 112 (from Bears)
Round 5: Nos. 147, 173 (from Chiefs through Ravens)
Round 6: No. 182

DET:

Round 1: Nos. 2, 32 (from Rams) overall
Round 2: No. 34
Round 3: Nos. 66, 97
Round 5: No. 177
Round 6: Nos. 181, 217
Round 7: No. 234 (from Browns)

GBP:

Round 1: Nos. 22 (from Raiders), 28 overall
Round 2: Nos. 53 (from Raiders), 59
Round 3: No. 92
Round 4: Nos. 132, 140
Round 5: No. 171
Round 7: Nos. 228 (from Bears through Texans), 249, 258

ATL:

Round 1: No. 8 overall
Round 2: Nos. 43, 58 (from Titans)
Round 3: Nos. 74, 82 (from Colts)
Round 4: No. 114
Round 5: No. 151
Round 6: Nos. 190, 213


Out of all of those teams, there's one that stands out....the Packers. Everyone else is a bottom-feeder. But, of course, the Packers avoid Free Agency like Mike Brown (Katie and her husband has been making the decisions for the last 27 months), perhaps even worse, so they always have their picks. They've been so lucky to have Rogers and Favre, though they were smart enough to trade for Favre, and smart enough to draft Rogers after 15 teams passed on him when they already had Favre.

[Kingspoint]

Vikes sign Za’darius Smith 3yrs $42 million. Hope are that he can return to his Pro Bowl form of 2019, 2020.
Does this mean DHunter will be traded? Or Anthony Barr released? Or are they keeping all of them? TBD

From NBC Sports:

Vikings restructured Danielle Hunter's contract. It was a routine conversion of Hunter's $18M roster bonus into a signing bonus. Teams often have this option written into contracts, allowing them to do it automatically. The move cleared $13.5 million in cap space for 2022, giving them extra room to sign Za'Darius Smith. The combo of Smith and Hunter is costly for the Vikings but fear-inducing for opposing quarterbacks.

SOURCE: Field Yates on Twitter

Should the Vikings find a way to get to the Super Bowl, they'll have the pass-rushing to neutralize any of the AFC Quarterbacks.

[WrongVerb]

Ian Rapoport
@RapSheet

The #Ravens search for pass rush continues: Source says they are hosting #Seahawks DE Rasheem Green on a free agent visit. After a career-best 6.5 sacks last year, Green could land in Baltimore.
9:10am · 23 Mar 2022

[Rojo Rijo]

Chiefs have given Tyreek Hill permission to seek a trade.

Wow....did not see that coming.

[redsfandan]

Chiefs have given Tyreek Hill permission to seek a trade.

Wow....did not see that coming.

That would make their offense a little less explosive and then Buffalo would definitely have the best odds to make the Super Bowl in the AFC.

[Puffy]

Chiefs have given Tyreek Hill permission to seek a trade.

Wow....did not see that coming.

Wow is right

[Betterread]

Chiefs have given Tyreek Hill permission to seek a trade.

Wow....did not see that coming.

Hill wants a record breaking extension. If he gets it, that is bad news for the Bengals and Chase and Vikes and Jefferson, because both are even better than Hill and will want even higher sums.

[WVRed]

Traded to the Dolphins for five picks including the first and second round this year.

[Sea Ray]

Traded to the Dolphins for five picks including the first and second round this year.

Nice haul...but for now that weakens the Chiefs

[WVRed]

Nice haul...but for now that weakens the Chiefs

I don’t think so.

Mahomes strikes me as the type of QB who you could draft someone in the third round and not miss a beat.

[Rojo Rijo]

Chiefs won't miss him as much as he'll miss them.

Honestly breaking up Hill and Kelce is good for every team trying to win. That combination was absolutely lethal.

[WVRed]

4 yr 120 million deal for Tyreek.

[redsfandan]

The Chiefs will now have 2 picks in each of the first 4 rounds next month. They'll most likely take at least one receiver.

[Rojo Rijo]

Juju will have a chance to shine as the top WR in KC this year.

[Rojo Rijo]

Hill and Waddle....just imagine if they had Herbert throwing to them instead of Tua.

[BuckeyeRed27]

Will be interesting to see how Adams and Hill do. They are both awesome receivers, but both are going to significantly worse QB situations.

[KoryMac5]

Ju Ju and Valdez Scantling (if he signs there) is a downgrade but the draft picks will help them reload...they did the right thing selling high.

[RiverRat13]

Ju Ju and Valdez Scantling (if he signs there) is a downgrade but the draft picks will help them reload...they did the right thing selling high.The other three AFC West teams made all-in type moves this off-season. KC will always contend with Mahomes, but this may be a case where they are content to lose the 2022 battle to win the 2023 and beyond war.

[Stray]

I get that Tyreke Hill is fast, but that trade for the Dolphins does not make a lot of sense to me.

[Kingspoint]

Unbelievable.

MIA desperately trying to not be a bottom-feeder in the AFC.

NBC Sports' comments:

Miami signed LT Terron Armstead, formerly of the Saints, to a five-year, $75 million contract. The stud left tackle can propel his contract to an $87.5 million valuation through incentives. His deal also includes $43.4 million in guarantees. Armstead was the crown jewel of the free agency class as far as offensive linemen were concerned. He missed nine games last year because of a knee issue but entered the 2021 season coming off three consecutive Pro Bowl nods. The Dolphins' primarily objective this offseason was to overhaul their dreadful line and the addition of Armstead isn't the first step. They also added left guard Connor Williams earlier in free agency. Pro Football Focus ranked the Dolphins' line as the worst unit in the league last year and charted them as allowing more pressure than any other group. The signings greatly improve the outlooks of Tua Tagovailoa and the backfield. Spearheaded by Chase Edmonds and Raheem Mostert, expect the Dolphins to finish better than their placement of No. 31 in yards per carry as a team.

SOURCE: Adam Schefter on Twitter

MIA still has for picks this year (2022): 1 in the 1st, 1 in the 2nd, 1 in the 3rd, 2 in the 4th, 1 in the 5th, 0 in the 6th and 2 in the 7th.

MIA still has for picks next year (2023): 2 in the 1st, 1 in the 2nd, 1 in the 3rd, 1 in the 4th, 1 in the 5th, 2 in the 6th and 1 in the 7th, plus any compensatory picks awarded next season, if any.

Wow! MIA is no longer a bottom-feeder after adding Tyreke Hill and Armstead. They are that good. There isn't another Receiver like him in the NFL. They have so much speed. They added Mostert, have a new HC who emphasizes the run, a great LT to keep their QB protected when they are throwing and who bulls people over when they want to run to the left.

They made great use of the picks they have. They still have a 3rd, 4th, 5th and two 7th's this year, while they could still trade away a player or two to acquire some picks and create more cap space. They still have two 1st's, a 2nd, a 3rd, a 5th and a 6th and 7th next season.

MIA is as good as BAL now, sitting just on the outside of the playoff picture. A new HC to work with Tua might change things in MIA, as Tua will be asked to throw the ball a lot less than he has had to so far in his career. Waddle and Hill should be as lethal as Kelce and Hill.

MIA and BAL are just 7 or 8 win teams, but with 2 1st's next season for MIA and it being the 2nd season for their new Offense, they could be playoff contenders in 2023.

[KoryMac5]

I get that Tyreke Hill is fast, but that trade for the Dolphins does not make a lot of sense to me.

Agreed Tua will hold him back a bit...

A few years ago a NE defender dubbed Tua a one read QB...

[WVRed]

Agreed Tua will hold him back a bit...

A few years ago a NE defender dubbed Tua a one read QB...

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20220324/d684f88cdeef50dbc9e36b367110f03e.jpg

[WrongVerb]

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20220324/d684f88cdeef50dbc9e36b367110f03e.jpg

Don't be silly. It's not going to be like that at all, as Tua is left-handed, not right-handed.

[Rdirtypirates]

As of right now DeShaun Watson is costing the Browns $55mill against the cap in 2023 with an unheard of dead cap hit of $220mill. That's a nutty cap hit and not the formula for winning the Super Bowl. Watson is one new sexual assault charge from getting kicked out of the league for good. If that happens, I don't know what this does to the Browns cap. The contract is fully guaranteed but I don't know if it's guaranteed against a new suspension. Even if he plays, it's going to be tricky to surround him with players

https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/cleveland-browns/cap/2023/

The Fox 8 I-Team has learned a second grand jury in another Texas county has convened to hear evidence against Cleveland Browns quarterback Deshaun Watson.

The grand jury met Wednesday to hear evidence in the case.
https://fox8.com/news/i-team-another-grand-jury-considering-case-against-deshaun-watson/

Why would you make this trade?

[Rojo Rijo]

Agreed Tua will hold him back a bit...

A few years ago a NE defender dubbed Tua a one read QB...

Tua is a far more limited QB than most casual fans realize. He's a smaller QB who doesnt have great NFL arm strength and who isnt capable of routinely beating faster ends and backers with his legs. He's solid across the board but doesnt have any real thing that stands out as elite or has the potential to be elite. His accuracy is average as well.

With that being said the Hill-Waddle combination is interesting. I'm assuming the will scheme to have them get open underneath for more yards after the catch type plays and it'll force defenses who don't have an elite corner to go 2 high safety a lot of the game, as long as Miami shows a threat with sending the combo on double go's or same side go/post etc. etc. The creativity will be endless to be honest. They could run left side trips with a screen fake to Waddle and have Hill run a bump and go on the right. Yeah if I were the Miami OC right now i'd be spending 19 hours a day drawing up plays and schemes. This combo should also open up between the hashes big time for Mike Gesicki. Miami will game plan to stretch defenses until they rip, so it'll come down to the OL and Tua doing their part.

Overall it's still a massive win for all the other AFC playoff teams hoping to contend. The Hill-Kelce combo was just unfair at times. While Waddle and Hill will be dynamic it won't be anywhere near the defense-dismantling combination he co-owned with Travis Kelce.

[redsfandan]

The Fox 8 I-Team has learned a second grand jury in another Texas county has convened to hear evidence against Cleveland Browns quarterback Deshaun Watson.

The grand jury met Wednesday to hear evidence in the case.
https://fox8.com/news/i-team-another-grand-jury-considering-case-against-deshaun-watson/

Why would you make this trade?

Desperation?

[Rojo Rijo]

I get that Tyreke Hill is fast, but that trade for the Dolphins does not make a lot of sense to me.

One thing about top WRs, they can be good to great on their own but they cannot be elite without top level QB play. Both Hill and Adams have gotten more $$$ but have put themselves with less talented QBs/teams.

[KoryMac5]

Tua is a far more limited QB than most casual fans realize. He's a smaller QB who doesnt have great NFL arm strength and who isnt capable of routinely beating faster ends and backers with his legs. He's solid across the board but doesnt have any real thing that stands out as elite or has the potential to be elite. His accuracy is average as well.

With that being said the Hill-Waddle combination is interesting. I'm assuming the will scheme to have them get open underneath for more yards after the catch type plays and it'll force defenses who don't have an elite corner to go 2 high safety a lot of the game, as long as Miami shows a threat with sending the combo on double go's or same side go/post etc. etc. The creativity will be endless to be honest. They could run left side trips with a screen fake to Waddle and have Hill run a bump and go on the right. Yeah if I were the Miami OC right now i'd be spending 19 hours a day drawing up plays and schemes. This combo should also open up between the hashes big time for Mike Gesicki. Miami will game plan to stretch defenses until they rip, so it'll come down to the OL and Tua doing their part.

Overall it's still a massive win for all the other AFC playoff teams hoping to contend. The Hill-Kelce combo was just unfair at times. While Waddle and Hill will be dynamic it won't be anywhere near the defense-dismantling combination he co-owned with Travis Kelce.

Tua is fairly accurate on short passes and I can see a lot of crossing routes or screens in their future however their O line even with Arnstead is still very bad...but if I am Miami its a move I would make tp try and keep up with the Bills and Pats in the East

[Kingspoint]

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20220324/d684f88cdeef50dbc9e36b367110f03e.jpg

Hill has never caught a pass in his life by extending his arms. His catching technique is worse than a 10-year-old's. Every catch he makes, he lets the ball come into his breadbasket, exactly the opposite of what any Receiver is supposed to do. Every catch he makes is at the level of the thigh of any of his opponents. He's always so wide-open, that it's usually not a problem.

Tua's not that bad.

Miami's not that stupid to put all their eggs into the Tua basket. He's only one option at QB for them. They have two 1st Round picks next season to take another QB.

[Kingspoint]

Tua is fairly accurate on short passes and I can see a lot of crossing routes or screens in their future however their O line even with Arnstead is still very bad...but if I am Miami its a move I would make tp try and keep up with the Bills and Pats in the East

Yes. Armstead is just the anchor, the first piece, in changing their O-Line. They released one of their Starters today, along with releasing Allen Hurns. Parker is going to be traded any day to recover at least one draft pick for this season. There are plenty of Veteran RT's that will improve their line they can get for the Veteran minimum. There are plenty of Guard's available that are good that they can get at a good price of $6M/yr.

[Kingspoint]

Tua is a far more limited QB than most casual fans realize. He's a smaller QB who doesnt have great NFL arm strength and who isnt capable of routinely beating faster ends and backers with his legs. He's solid across the board but doesnt have any real thing that stands out as elite or has the potential to be elite. His accuracy is average as well.

With that being said the Hill-Waddle combination is interesting. I'm assuming the will scheme to have them get open underneath for more yards after the catch type plays and it'll force defenses who don't have an elite corner to go 2 high safety a lot of the game, as long as Miami shows a threat with sending the combo on double go's or same side go/post etc. etc. The creativity will be endless to be honest. They could run left side trips with a screen fake to Waddle and have Hill run a bump and go on the right. Yeah if I were the Miami OC right now i'd be spending 19 hours a day drawing up plays and schemes. This combo should also open up between the hashes big time for Mike Gesicki. Miami will game plan to stretch defenses until they rip, so it'll come down to the OL and Tua doing their part.

Overall it's still a massive win for all the other AFC playoff teams hoping to contend. The Hill-Kelce combo was just unfair at times. While Waddle and Hill will be dynamic it won't be anywhere near the defense-dismantling combination he co-owned with Travis Kelce.

Their new HC is a run-oriented HC first, pass second. Hill will be used on short passes with the ball rarely going more than 10 yards past the LOS, with Hill's great YAC being the weapon they are looking for. He's basically an extension of their running game.

And, yes, you have to go two high safety vs Hill. He's simply too difficult to cover in open space.

[WVRed]

Looks like Mike High Stadium or whatever they call it now caught fire today.

[Kingspoint]

This makes sense from the Receiver-needy Colts, who are without a 1st Rd pick this season. They are basically adding a Pro Bowl Receiver by emphasizing Hines. The comments suggest that it means fewer carries for Taylor, but that isn't true. It could easily mean that there's a 2-backfield set 80% of the time, with Hines moving around all over the field. He could easily catch 100 passes on the season and be so effective at it that he returns to his #1 status as ProFootballFocus' top Receiving back. Hines' agent better pay attention to this as Receivers are getting paid twice as much as Runningbacks. The Colts save $10M a year as far as value here for what it would cost them to get Hines' production from a WR.

From NBC Sports' w/ NBC Sports' comments:

Colts head coach Frank Reich said Nyheim Hines will have a bigger role in the team's offense with Matt Ryan at quarterback.

Reich likened Hines' 2022 usage to how he was deployed with Philip Rivers under center for Indy in 2020. That year, Hines was third among running backs in targets and receptions, trailing only J.D. McKissic and Alvin Kamara. He was graded by Pro Football Focus as 2020's top receiving back. Hines took a step back in 2021 with Carson Wentz at QB for the Colts, seeing 53 targets to Jonathan Taylor's 48. Headed into the 2021 season, Wentz had targeted running backs on a meager 9 percent of his pass attempts in the league. Matt Ryan, meanwhile, has a history of running back dump offs that have turned into PPR goodness for RBs in his backfield. Falcons running backs in 2021 combined for a 25 percent target share, and Devonta Freeman was a valuable PPR producer during his run as Atlanta's starter. That more touches for Hines might mean fewer touches for Taylor might cast skepticism on Reich's desire to boost Hines' involvement in the Colts offense. The Athletic's Stephen Holder on Monday recommended fantasy managers draft Hines in 2022, for whatever that's worth.

SOURCE: Zak Keefer on Twitter



And, in a head-scratching move by an organization that knows what it's doing on the Defensive side of the ball year after year over the last decade...

From NBC Sports' w/ NBC Sports' comments:

Colts hired former Broncos, Bears, and Panthers head coach John Fox as a senior defensive assistant coach.

Fox, 67, is the second former head coach to join the Colts' coaching staff. Former Jaguars head coach Gus Bradley is the team's defensive coordinator. A dinosaur who clearly had no place in the modern NFL, hopefully Fox will have little input on the Colts' defense in 2022. Indianapolis in 2021 had what Pro Football Focus graded as the NFL's fourth best run defense and the 14th best coverage unit.


Bradley makes sense, having led the Seahawks as their Defensive Coordinator to Top-of-the-league status before floundering as a Head Coach, but Fox? The good-old-boy network continues.

SOURCE: Stephen Holder on Twitter

[Kingspoint]

Speaking of the good-old-boy network....

From NBC Sports' w/ NBC Sports' comments:

NFL Network's Tom Pelissero reports the league is establishing a committee "to review league and club policies in light of ongoing concerns over a lack of diversity in hiring."

The commission will reportedly be led by former Texans general manager Rick Smith, who is black, and will include academics and business people. This comes after NFL commissioner Roger Goodell said in February that the league would consult outside experts to improve its hiring practices. Former Dolphins head coach Brian Flores exposed NFL hiring practices this year when he filed a lawsuit against several teams and the league for alleged discrimination in its hiring of black coaches. Looks for the league to prioritize ways to get coaches of color a fair shot in the 2023 offseason, as the Rooney Rule -- requiring teams to interview coaches of color -- has done almost nothing to increase diversity in the league's coaching ranks.

SOURCE: Tom Pelissero on Twitter

[Kingspoint]

From NBC Sports w/ NBC Sports' comments:

The Bills will build a new $1.4 billion stadium by 2026 in Orchard Park, New York.

The new stadium -- funded with $850 million in taxpayer money -- will hold 62,000 fans and will be an open-air structure, leaving Josh Allen and the Buffalo offense exposed to the elements for more than half of the NFL season. The stadium's groundbreaking is scheduled for spring 2023.

SOURCE: Cameron Wolfe on Twitter


I imagine there will be an interest from Owners to build a lot of new stadiums with some Ownership not being able to control the ridiculous spending going on with QB's and WR's.

[Kingspoint]

From NBC Sports with NBC Sports' comments:

Ravens head coach John Harbaugh said J.K. Dobbins (ACL) and Gus Edwards (ACL) could start training camp on the PUP list.

Harbaugh said the team would "play it safe" with their top two running backs a year after losing them to season-ending knee injuries in the preseason. Harbaugh added that the team would change its practice regimen to prevent the sort of devastating injuries the Ravens have experienced in recent seasons. Dobbins should enter the 2022 season as Baltimore's starter while Edwards sees regular work in the team's run-heavy offense. Assuming health, Edwards will be among the most sought-after late-round running backs in fantasy this summer.

SOURCE: Jeff Zrebiec on Twitter

Teams are going to have to figure out way to rest not only key Starters, but Starters period, over the slave-like length of the season. The human body simply isn't designed to sustain such workloads without breaking apart. There's already lifetime crippling injuries that lead to death to the brains of those who get their heads shocked the most...O-Linemen. If not for the safety of the players, the teams need to do it for the prudence of the pocketbook and keep these players healthy over the course of the season.

[Kingspoint]

Sure looks like the Steelers are going to go all-in on this guy. Could see him going in the Top-10, so Pittsburgh will have to trade up to get him. They don't have a choice in this Division unless they want to be last for six consecutive seasons. They're still going to be last for at least the next three seasons, but they need to get that next QB in there now.

From NBC Sports w/ NBC Sports' comments:

Steelers head coach Mike Tomlin said Liberty QB Malik Willis was "very impressive" in his pre-draft workouts.

"Really impressive. Sharp, grounded," Tomlin said Monday, a week after he attended Willis' workouts at Liberty University along with representatives from other NFL teams. "Comfortable in his skin." On Sunday, Steelers general manager Kevin Colbert said signing Mitchell Trubisky this offseason doesn't "preclude" the team from drafting a quarterback in the 2022 draft. Pittsburgh would probably need to move up from their first-round spot (20) in order to land the dual-threat Willis, whose draft stock is seemingly rising by the hour. Tomlin has expressed interest in bringing in a mobile QB this offseason.

SOURCE: Mark Kaboly on Twitter

[WVRed]

Mike Brown: I have the sweetest stadium deal in NFL history and have fleeced the taxpayers of my city.

Buffalo Bills: Hold my beer.

[KronoRed]

An 850 million dollar theft by billionaires and the new place won't even have a roof.

[WVRed]

An 850 million dollar theft by billionaires and the new place won't even have a roof.

People up north like that for some reason. The Giants and Jets did it with MetLife Stadium. Cincinnati, Cleveland, Pittsburgh, and Philadelphia are all open air stadiums. In the case of Buffalo and Green Bay it’s a home field advantage in the winter months.

Curious to see if the Bears go with a retractable roof or not since they will likely be the next team to get a new stadium. Same with the Commanders (still feels weird).

[KronoRed]

It's odd because having a roof really gives you a shot at hosting a Super Bowl, if the Vikings had gone no roof there is no way they would have ever hosted, the Chiefs lost a chance at hosting when the rolling roof they wanted was voted down.

[WVRed]

It's odd because having a roof really gives you a shot at hosting a Super Bowl, if the Vikings had gone no roof there is no way they would have ever hosted, the Chiefs lost a chance at hosting when the rolling roof they wanted was voted down.

New York
San Francisco
Miami
Tampa
Jacksonville
San Diego

Of course most of those are warmer weather cities.

[Sea Ray]

It's odd because having a roof really gives you a shot at hosting a Super Bowl, if the Vikings had gone no roof there is no way they would have ever hosted, the Chiefs lost a chance at hosting when the rolling roof they wanted was voted down.

I doubt whether Buffalo has the infrastructure for a SB

[Boston Red]

I doubt whether Buffalo has the infrastructure for a SB

Neither did Jacksonville.

[WVRed]

NFL just passed a rule change for both teams getting the ball in overtime in the postseason only.

[KoryMac5]

When you look at the stadium deal in Buffalo it's actually 1.13 billion what you don't see factored into the cost is the ongoing cost for things like upkeep etc...

Erie county is having to borrow $$ to get this thing done...

PSL's start at 1000.00 which is something Bills fans have never done

[Sea Ray]

NFL just passed a rule change for both teams getting the ball in overtime in the postseason only.

I've been calling for that for decades now...in all NFL games

[Sea Ray]

I'm sure a discussion of the merits of this policy won't be allowed here but this is NFL news:


PALM BEACH, Fla. — The NFL enacted diversity measures Monday, including a requirement that each team have a minority assistant coach in a significant role on its offensive staff.

The league also appointed a committee of outside advisers to assist its minority hiring efforts and approved a resolution endorsing diversity in franchise ownership.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nfl/nfl-will-require-every-team-to-have-minority-coach-in-key-offensive-role/ar-AAVAgIN

A true quota system. I don't see any word on when it's going be enacted or what the penalties are for not complying. Bengals have a person of color coaching the RBs and another coaching WRs. Don't know if that qualifies as "having a significant role" or not

[Kingspoint]

New York
San Francisco
Miami
Tampa
Jacksonville
San Diego

Of course most of those are warmer weather cities.

"Most" is correct, but only four of six. Weather actually has nothing to do with it. Who in the heck would want to go to Buffalo or Kansas City at the end of January? But, the same can be said for Minneapolis or Indianapolis any time of the year. It really comes down to vacation destinations for those who have the money to go to a Super Bowl...sponsors and the very rich.

[WVRed]

What’s interesting is the trickle down effect from Buffalo.

Tennessees Governor is allocating 500 million towards a new stadium in Nashville for the Titans.

The Bears had been looking at a new stadium and has even looked to Arlington Heights outside city limits to build.

The newest one? Kansas City. The Royals and Chiefs are both considering moving across state lines into downtown Kansas City and out of Missouri.

[WVRed]

Arians retiring from Bucs and going to front office. Todd Bowles named head coach.

Two thoughts:

1. Surprised it wasn’t Byron Leftwich.

2. Must have been a lot more truth to a power struggle with Brady.

[Kingspoint]

Packers and Bucs, two of the three decent teams in the NFC, look like they would both miss the playoffs in the AFC.

[WVRed]

Bobby Wagner signed with the Rams. Figured he would stay in the division just thought it would be the 9ers.

[Chip R]

Congressional investigators are looking into whether the Washington Commanders used two sets of books.

https://frontofficesports.com/nfls-commanders-allegedly-used-two-books-to-track-finances/?utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter&utm_campaign=article-sharing

[WVRed]

Saints and Eagles just agreed to a trade that involves the Eagles giving up one of their picks this year and netting a first next and a second the year after.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/33670901/philadelphia-eagles-new-orleans-saints-shake-first-round-2022-nfl-draft-multi-pick-trade%3Fplatform%3Damp

[JaxRed]

Saints and Eagles just agreed to a trade that involves the Eagles giving up one of their picks this year and netting a first next and a second the year after.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/33670901/philadelphia-eagles-new-orleans-saints-shake-first-round-2022-nfl-draft-multi-pick-trade%3Fplatform%3Damp

I like that trade a lot for Eagles. swapping a mid 1st rounder for a 1st and 2nd from a team that might be pretty bad this year. And they get another year to evaluate Hurts and next year Stroud and Young are avilable.

[WVRed]

I like that trade a lot for Eagles. swapping a mid 1st rounder for a 1st and 2nd from a team that might be pretty bad this year. And they get another year to evaluate Hurts and next year Stroud and Young are avilable.

Yeah the more i think about it the Saints got fleeced.

Only thing that makes sense is they are in salary cap hell so bad that they know they are going to be bad and don’t want to pay that high of a draft pick next year.

[Sea Ray]

Yeah the more i think about it the Saints got fleeced.

Only thing that makes sense is they are in salary cap hell so bad that they know they are going to be bad and don’t want to pay that high of a draft pick next year.

I think it's a pretty fair trade. The Saints got 2 first rd picks this year. How often does that happen?

[WVRed]

I think it's a pretty fair trade. The Saints got 2 first rd picks this year. How often does that happen?

It’s mid to late picks in a pretty weak draft.

Anything can happen next season but there’s a very good possibility that the Saints pick could be top 5. No Sean Payton and two QBs on the roster that would be backups on most other teams.

[Kingspoint]

I think it's a pretty fair trade. The Saints got 2 first rd picks this year. How often does that happen?

I think New Orleans did better as far as value goes. Both teams got what they wanted, though.

Like I was saying earlier about Hurts in the QB thread, he hadn't proved he was a Starter, but he hadn't proved that he wasn't (unlike Mayfield who has proved that he isn't). I mentioned that he should be given one more year under better conditions, as last year the conditions were as bad as they can get for a QB in Philly, where no young QB would have succeeded, not even Burrow. Philly feels the same way and so, their goal was to be in position to draft a QB in the 2023 draft with the highest possible pick. Looking at who was willing to trade them a possible Top-10 pick in 2023, they found New Orleans to be a willing trade partner. I think they overpaid for what they got back, but without other trade partners available, they got the best that they could while getting what they wanted...a good chance of a Top-10 pick in 2023 (sorry, Cam Jordan, it ain't gonna be #32).

New Orleans was not looking to leapfrog the Chargers as so many analysts tried to point out. That would be the dumbest strategy in the world. If you want to leapfrog another team (or outbid someone, which is the same thing), you wait until the last second and do not reveal your intention, so that you can catch them by surprise. If the strategy was to leapfrog the Charger, they just blew it, because now the Chargers have the advantage and can leapfrog the Saints if they wanted to, waiting until the last minute should a specific player that's targeted BY BOTH TEAMS fall into the spot immediately above the Saints, like the 49er's did when they leapfrogged the Cowboys and steal Jerry Rice from them.

No, the Saints got what they wanted...two quality starters, their choice of OT to replace Armstead at 10% of the cost with 8 years of control, longer than the control they would have had under Armstead, and a QB, should the right one they view be there, such as the QB from Liberty, knowing full well that the Steelers are interested in them, who also are picking in this area. The Saints have the ability to leapfrog on draft day someone, if they want to. What the Saints do with the other 1st Round, if they don't go QB, will still be a low-priced starter they have control over for 8 years, while they recover from the cap issues they've had the last several years. New Orleans is definitely a running team with a strong Defense. They could go with anything with the other pick. Philadelphia will use one of their two 1st Rd picks on a Receiver, as everyone has said, but if I were them, I would grab an O-Lineman with one of them.

[UKFlounder]

This is awful


Per Adam Schefter:

Dwayne Haskins, a standout at Ohio State before struggling to catch on with Washington and Pittsburgh in the NFL, died this morning when he got hit by a car in South Florida, per his agent Cedric Saunders. Haskins would have turned 25 years old on May 3.

[goreds2]

This is awful


Per Adam Schefter:

Dwayne Haskins, a standout at Ohio State before struggling to catch on with Washington and Pittsburgh in the NFL, died this morning when he got hit by a car in South Florida, per his agent Cedric Saunders. Haskins would have turned 25 years old on May 3.

Sad sad sad :(

[WVRed]

This is awful


Per Adam Schefter:

Dwayne Haskins, a standout at Ohio State before struggling to catch on with Washington and Pittsburgh in the NFL, died this morning when he got hit by a car in South Florida, per his agent Cedric Saunders. Haskins would have turned 25 years old on May 3.

Notice Schefty had to delete this tweet after catching heat for his comments about “struggling to catch on”. Not exactly a good look to leave the negative when someone passes away.

[KoryMac5]

More on the Brady, Flores, Payton Miami deal

https://www.yahoo.com/sports/sean-payton-admits-intermediaries-talked-002625450.html

[adkindo]

More on the Brady, Flores, Payton Miami deal

https://www.yahoo.com/sports/sean-payton-admits-intermediaries-talked-002625450.html

There appears to definitely be more than just smoke to this story.....but I absolutely do not get it unless Brady truly had an issue with Arians. Miami is getting better, but Payton and Brady would not make them legit Superbowl threats next season IMO. In contrast, the Bucs roster is clearly one of the legit contenders with Brady at QB.

[Kingspoint]

There appears to definitely be more than just smoke to this story.....but I absolutely do not get it unless Brady truly had an issue with Arians. Miami is getting better, but Payton and Brady would not make them legit Superbowl threats next season IMO. In contrast, the Bucs roster is clearly one of the legit contenders with Brady at QB.

MIA is a QB away from being in the mix. Brady would make them equal to the other 10 Super Bowl contenders in the AFC.

[Betterread]

I predict that Deebo Samuel will play for Green Bay in 2022.

[Kingspoint]

I predict that Deebo Samuel will play for Green Bay in 2022.

Would the 49ers trade him to a Conference rival?

[Betterread]

So the #1 pick in the draft comes down to this: one of the most inept owners in the league (Khan) wants Hutchinson and one of the most inept GMs in the league (Baalke) wants Travon Walker.

[Kingspoint]

So the #1 pick in the draft comes down to this: one of the most inept owners in the league (Khan) wants Hutchinson and one of the most inept GMs in the league (Baalke) wants Travon Walker.

WOW!

[Kingspoint]

One of the best information stories about drafting in the NFL...

https://sports.yahoo.com/the-chart-that-guides-nfl-draft-trades-has-a-glaring-flaw-it-isnt-very-good-134240503.html

[CTA513]

DeAndre Hopkins suspended.


DeAndre Hopkins suspended six games for violating PED policy

Per ESPN’s Adam Schefter, DeAndre Hopkins has been suspended six games for violating the league’s policy on performance-enhancing drugs.

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2022/05/02/deandre-hopkins-suspended-six-games-for-violating-ped-policy/

[WrongVerb]

Makes you wonder what the Texans knew when they traded him.

[BuckeyeRed27]

Makes you wonder what the Texans knew when they traded him.

3 years ago?

[WrongVerb]

3 years ago?

Lol it's been a long three years

[Kingspoint]

DeAndre Hopkins suspended.

...and the NFC gets even weaker.

[WVRed]

Not surprising:

https://www.post-gazette.com/sports/steelers/2022/05/11/gerry-dulac-s-steelers-chat-05-11-22/stories/202205110128

That said, imagine the Steelers forcing him to do something against his will…

[WrongVerb]

Not surprising:

https://www.post-gazette.com/sports/steelers/2022/05/11/gerry-dulac-s-steelers-chat-05-11-22/stories/202205110128

That said, imagine the Steelers forcing him to do something against his will…

That's a chat transcript. Can you please highlight here what you want us to respond to?

[moewan]

That's a chat transcript. Can you please highlight here what you want us to respond to?

Assuming, forcing Big Jen to retire

[WVRed]

That's a chat transcript. Can you please highlight here what you want us to respond to?

Billy Bob: Is there bad blood between the Steelers and Big Ben with how his career ended. Was he ready to retire or was it a Troy type situation where he was forced into it?
Gerry Dulac: I would say it's very very safe to assume that.

[adkindo]

The schedule is not kind to Tampa Bay to open this season.....open up on the road in Dallas, then on the road in New Orleans (a place Tampa struggles even when they are superior)....only to return home to face Green Bay and Kansas City.

[RiverRat13]

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2022/05/17/testifying-under-oath-deshaun-watson-admits-ashley-solis-cried-at-end-of-massage/

[Sea Ray]

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2022/05/17/testifying-under-oath-deshaun-watson-admits-ashley-solis-cried-at-end-of-massage/

I liked this comment best from readers:

Trevor Bauer got 2 years and there was some consent there. Lets see what the NFL does.

[WrongVerb]

This is about 10-15 minutes from my house.

Commanders strike deal to purchase 200 acres of land in Woodbridge, Virginia (https://www.wusa9.com/article/news/investigations/commanders-stadium/commanders-buy-land-woodbridge-virginia-100-million-dollars-200-acres/65-992a2849-49ee-49e7-867b-2374d4e3c733)


The Washington Commanders may have just taken a big step forward in selecting the team's future stadium location, with Virginia continuing to play a leading role.

According to a Commanders spokesperson, the organization has "procured" 200 acres of land in Woodbridge, Virginia; valued at approximately $100 million. The spokesperson, however, made it clear the team is still assessing multiple locations in D.C., Maryland and Virginia. Virginia State Sen. Jeremy McPike described the deal as a "purchase option," which would give the team the right to buy the land in the future. Monday evening McPike shared a proposed site plan that included a layout for a stadium, amphitheater and retail.

[Sea Ray]

This is about 10-15 minutes from my house.

Commanders strike deal to purchase 200 acres of land in Woodbridge, Virginia (https://www.wusa9.com/article/news/investigations/commanders-stadium/commanders-buy-land-woodbridge-virginia-100-million-dollars-200-acres/65-992a2849-49ee-49e7-867b-2374d4e3c733)

Is FedEx Field really obsolete?

[Slyder]

Is FedEx Field really obsolete?

I'm getting old. Fed Ex Field was new when I was a teenager. Guess they didn't maintain it like they should have because we've seen stadiums get facelifts that are older than Fed Ex Stadium.

-OR-

This gives Washington Football Club something to bid against in renovating Fed Ex Stadium to get a better deal.