Cincinnati Bengals Offseason Thread: Protect Joe Burrow

[WVRed]

This can’t be good:

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/33805047/cincinnati-bengals-wr-tee-higgins-miss-offseason-workouts-following-shoulder-surgery

[membengal]

This can’t be good:

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/33805047/cincinnati-bengals-wr-tee-higgins-miss-offseason-workouts-following-shoulder-surgery

It's literally fine. The labrum was torn in week 2 last year, he missed two games then played with it through the Super Bowl. Then got off-season surgery and will be back by camp.

[Kingspoint]

Some basic info compiled by PFF:

CINCINNATI BENGALS

Team Overview

Director of Player Personnel Duke Tobin
HC Zac Taylor
OC Brian Callahan
DC Lou Anarumo
2021 Record 10-7
Final Elo 7th
Draft Capital Rank: 23rd


Capital allocation percentage by position since 2018

QB 17%
WR 19%
TE 4%
OT 12%
OG 6%
OC 8%
CB 2%
S 4%
ED 9%
DI 4%
LB 11%
RB 4%

Draft picks since 2017

Year Player Career Grade Snaps per Season

2021 Ja'Marr Chase 85.3 1186
2020 Joe Burrow 90.5 1973
2019 Jonah Williams 74.6 1935
2018 Billy Price 52.4 2339
2017 John Ross 55.2 1321

Biggest needs

3 Biggest Needs Early Fit Late Fit

IOL Tyler Linderbaum Luke Fortner
CB Kyler Gordon Cordale Flott
DT Travis Jones Curtis Brooks

2022 Draft selections

Round 2022 Draft Selections (overall)

1 31
2 63
3 95
4 136
5 174
6 209
7 226, 252

Current starting lineup

O Projection D Projection

QB Joe Burrow DT B.J. Hill
RB Joe Mixon DT D.J. Reader
WR Ja'Marr Chase ED Trey Hendrickson
WR Tee Higgins ED Sam Hubbard
SWR Tyler Boyd LB Logan Wilson
TE Hayden Hurst LB Germaine Pratt
LT Jonah Williams CB Chidobe Awuzie
LG Jackson Carman CB Eli Apple
C Ted Karras Slot Mike Hilton
RG Alex Cappa S Jessie Bates III
RT La'el Collins S Vonn Bell

[WVRed]

According to Lapham the pick will be Andrew Booth Jr if he’s there. Kaiir Elam is a possibility as well.

Said they should run to the podium if George Karlaftis falls to 31.

[Big Red Smokey]

Lapham is normally right. And the Bengals do a bad job of disguising who they want.

See: Ragnow, Frank

That's how you get Billy Price.

I think I would take the upside of Kyler Gordon over Elam.

I hope Devonta Wyatt falls though

[WVRed]

Lapham is normally right. And the Bengals do a bad job of disguising who they want.

See: Ragnow, Frank

That's how you get Billy Price.

I think I would take the upside of Kyler Gordon over Elam.

I hope Devonta Wyatt falls though

I’d be happy with Booth. Elam has more size but Booth is a better tackler. Gordon seems more raw to me.

Interesting nothing was said if Linderbaum was on the board.

[RiverRat13]

Linderbaum is destined to be a Jet with one of their second round picks.

[gonelong]

Lapham is normally right. And the Bengals do a bad job of disguising who they want.

See: Ragnow, Frank

That's how you get Billy Price.

It is amazing how often the Bengals get jumped via a trade and lose out on their target. No disinformation, etc. They just broadcast out who they are interested in. Mind boggling.

[RiverRat13]

It is amazing how often the Bengals get jumped via a trade and lose out on their target. No disinformation, etc. They just broadcast out who they are interested in. Mind boggling.

Ragnow cost them but they caught a break when the Steelers jumped them to get Devin Bush. I don't remember any other times it happened off the top of my head.

[WVRed]

It is amazing how often the Bengals get jumped via a trade and lose out on their target. No disinformation, etc. They just broadcast out who they are interested in. Mind boggling.

The year after the Meltdown at Paul Brown the biggest need going into the draft was WR since Marvin Jones and Mohamed Sanu cashed in elsewhere.

Bengals telegraphed their draft plans for a WR. All three first round targets went right before the Bengals picked (Will Fuller, Josh Doctson, Laquon Treadwell) so they ended up taking William Jackson III who had a pre draft dinner with the Steelers the night before. It was kinda funny watching the Bengals get screwed out of a first round WR (although they did get Boyd a round later) and manage to sabotage the Steelers draft to where they reached for Artie Burns who ended up being a bust for them.

[RiverRat13]

The year after the Meltdown at Paul Brown the biggest need going into the draft was WR since Marvin Jones and Mohamed Sanu cashed in elsewhere.

Bengals telegraphed their draft plans for a WR. All three first round targets went right before the Bengals picked (Will Fuller, Josh Doctson, Laquon Treadwell) so they ended up taking William Jackson III who had a pre draft dinner with the Steelers the night before. It was kinda funny watching the Bengals get screwed out of a first round WR (although they did get Boyd a round later) and manage to sabotage the Steelers draft to where they reached for Artie Burns who ended up being a bust for them.

I remember taking Jackson when Pittsburgh wanted him, didn't remember their desire to take a WR but you're right.

The biggest telegraph is to have a glaring need. I still think CB is the most needed but if there's a run in the 1st, they'd be okay taking BPA and getting a corner (or two) later.

[membengal]

My personal wish list:

Karlaftis (would be a dream if he fell)
Zion Johnson ( i just don't think they will take a G at 31 unfortunately b/c if he falls to 31 he's perfect)
Daxton Hill
Kaiir Elam
Linderbaum
Ediketie
Logan Hall
Devonte Wyatt
Cine
Booth
Kenyon Green
Gordon

Booth (lack of testing/injury flags) and Wyatt (age and off-field flags) push them lower on my wish list.

[WrongVerb]

Rumors from Walter Football (https://walterfootball.com/nflhotpress/article/2022-NFL-Draft-Week-Rumors-Monday):

(remember to take every rumor with a huge grain of salt)


Michigan slot cornerback/safety Daxton Hill has been on the bubble of the first round throughout the draft process. Hill might slide to the second day, and a big reason for that would be poor interviews. Team sources from franchises that were excited about Hill said those conversations went so poorly they ruled Hill out. They worry about mental makeup issues and feel taking him in the early rounds is too risky.

[membengal]

that feels REALLY smoke-screeny from a team at top of 2nd round hoping to make him fall to them.

[WrongVerb]

that feels REALLY smoke-screeny from a team at top of 2nd round hoping to make him fall to them.

Like I said, huge grain of salt.

[WVRed]

My personal wish list:

Karlaftis (would be a dream if he fell)
Zion Johnson ( i just don't think they will take a G at 31 unfortunately b/c if he falls to 31 he's perfect)
Daxton Hill
Kaiir Elam
Linderbaum
Ediketie
Logan Hall
Devonte Wyatt
Cine
Booth
Kenyon Green
Gordon

Booth (lack of testing/injury flags) and Wyatt (age and off-field flags) push them lower on my wish list.

Pipe Dreams:
Karlaftis
Zion Johnson
Jameson Williams

Could Live With:
Kyler Gordon
Kenyon Green

Reaches:
Trey McBride
Edikite
Logan Hall
Tyler Smith

Dark Horses:
Devonte Wyatt
Bernhard Raimann
Daxton Hill

Most likely:
Andrew Booth
Kaiir Elam
Tyler Linderbaum

[Rdirtypirates]

Pipe Dreams:
Karlaftis
Zion Johnson
Jameson Williams

Could Live With:
Kyler Gordon
Kenyon Green

Reaches:
Trey McBride
Edikite
Logan Hall
Tyler Smith

Dark Horses:
Devonte Wyatt
Bernhard Raimann
Daxton Hill

Most likely:
Andrew Booth
Kaiir Elam
Tyler Linderbaum

I don't know if you guys are familiar with Malik Wright, but he is pretty tuned in. I listened to his podcast tonight. He said they definitely will not take Booth or Linderbaum. He said Bengals first choice is Devonte Wyatt, and second is Elam. I would be thrilled with Elam and would absolutely hate Wyatt. Take it with a grain of salt, but last few years he has been first on a lot of Bengals news.

[WrongVerb]

Lol these rumors are getting silly. I doubt this is anything more than an agent trying to improve his client's draft stock...

NFL Draft Rumors: Cincinnati Bengals Considering Colorado State Tight End Trey McBride in First Round (https://leader-gsm.com/nfl-draft-rumors-cincinnati-bengals-considering-colorado-state-tight-end-trey-mcbride-in-first-round/)

[WVRed]

I don't know if you guys are familiar with Malik Wright, but he is pretty tuned in. I listened to his podcast tonight. He said they definitely will not take Booth or Linderbaum. He said Bengals first choice is Devonte Wyatt, and second is Elam. I would be thrilled with Elam and would absolutely hate Wyatt. Take it with a grain of salt, but last few years he has been first on a lot of Bengals news.

Dave Lapham is usually the most accurate source when it comes to the draft and he is saying Booth or Elam.

It’s pretty bad though that Lapham is so accurate that it literally tips off the entire league what the Bengals are planning on doing.

[Rdirtypirates]

Dave Lapham is usually the most accurate source when it comes to the draft and he is saying Booth or Elam.

It’s pretty bad though that Lapham is so accurate that it literally tips off the entire league what the Bengals are planning on doing.
Im personally high on Booth, so I wouldn't hate it. We will see tomorrow what expert was right. For what it is worth he also had Stingley going third to Texans which I find unlikely. He also had Ikey out of top five and Cross taken before him. To take what Wrongverb posted about Mcbride, he said they wont take a tightend in round two even if Mcbride fell to us. He said Tampa may take in first though. All this is purely speculation taken from this one person. He owns TWSN.

[Hillsdale87]

Lol these rumors are getting silly. I doubt this is anything more than an agent trying to improve his client's draft stock...

NFL Draft Rumors: Cincinnati Bengals Considering Colorado State Tight End Trey McBride in First Round (https://leader-gsm.com/nfl-draft-rumors-cincinnati-bengals-considering-colorado-state-tight-end-trey-mcbride-in-first-round/)

I don't want them to go TE in round 1, but I saw McBride to the Bengals in a mock this week. Don't remember which one, but it was from a fairly notable guy


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[Kingspoint]

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[Kingspoint]

Lol these rumors are getting silly. I doubt this is anything more than an agent trying to improve his client's draft stock...

NFL Draft Rumors: Cincinnati Bengals Considering Colorado State Tight End Trey McBride in First Round (https://leader-gsm.com/nfl-draft-rumors-cincinnati-bengals-considering-colorado-state-tight-end-trey-mcbride-in-first-round/)

2nd Round, sure.

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Dave Lapham is usually the most accurate source when it comes to the draft and he is saying Booth or Elam.

It’s pretty bad though that Lapham is so accurate that it literally tips off the entire league what the Bengals are planning on doing.

Well, Ben Baby had them take Booth when it was his turn yesterday in the CBS Sports' Final Beat Writers' Draft.

[WVRed]

I don't want them to go TE in round 1, but I saw McBride to the Bengals in a mock this week. Don't remember which one, but it was from a fairly notable guy


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[Hillsdale87]

Peter King

Peter Schraeger has them taking McBride today too. I'd prefer Linderbaum, CB, or DL. But I'm not nearly as locked into the draft this year as in years past. It's nice having a good team so that the draft doesn't feel like the most interesting part of the year [emoji3]


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[Redsfaithful]

Getting to where I think it might be a mistake not to take defense. The offense is loaded.

[WVRed]

Getting to where I think it might be a mistake not to take defense. The offense is loaded.

Best player available.

I’m just hoping somebody slips who shouldn’t. If not and there’s not a run on QBs maybe hope the Seahawks offer 40 and 41 to trade into the first for one.

[bucksfan2]

Surprised to see this on draft day, but a long form article about Jackson Carman and alleged rape.


https://defector.com/what-did-the-bengals-know-about-jackson-carman/

Skimmed a lot of this article, and don't want to pass judgement, but a lot of what was able to happen strikes me as weird.

[Big Red Smokey]

I really don't want to take McBride at 31.

I have a bad feeling about tonight with all the CB's going early and no one wanting to trade up though. I would take a Safety before TE but that's just me

[WrongVerb]

Other than dream picks like Karlaftis or Williams, I want the Bengals to select Logan Hall.

[Kingspoint]

Just a reminder about what the Bengals are facing with the #31 pick:

FOX NFL's Jay Glazer reports the Chiefs "are trying" to trade up in the first round of the 2022 NFL Draft. Glazer responded to a question on Twitter regarding the Chiefs trading up by saying, "They are trying. Even offering up next year’s 1 but that’s still like a 2." The Chiefs' biggest need in the draft is at wide receiver and it's possible that all of the top options are gone by the time they make their first selection. Kansas City holds the No. 29 and No. 30 picks. Chiefs GM Brett Veach has said that his team has, at most, 18 players with a first-round grade this year. That means, if a trade happens at all, the Chiefs would likely want to move into the top 20 picks of the draft.

SOURCE: Jay Glazer on Twitter

Apr 28, 2022, 7:16 PM ET

[Kingspoint]

Congratulations, membengal, on picking correctly Hill.

[KoryMac5]

Hill can tackle and he can cover...what's not to like about this pick.

[WVRed]

Hill can tackle and he can cover...what's not to like about this pick.

The only thing I’ve seen people knocking on the pick is that he won’t be utilized right away. He’s going to be fighting for snaps with Vonn Bell and Jessie Bates at safety and Mike Hilton in the slot. That said Lou does like to do a lot of three safety looks so it does bring versatility to the defense.

This might be the first draft where Lapham was wrong about the pick with Booth still on the board.

[KoryMac5]

If I am the Bengals I cut Jackson Carmen today...

Cut your losses...kid has ethics issue from both his character and how he goes about his work. Full Stop.

[Ohayou]

Round 2 targets (no particular order):

DT Travis Jones
DT Logan Hall
DT Perrion Winfrey
DT Phidarian Mathis
DT DeMarvin Leal
LB Leo Chenal
LB Troy Andersen
LB Chad Muma
LB Channing Tindall
TE Trey McBride
TE Greg Dulcich
TE Jelani Woods
OL Sean Rhyan

I'd add CB, but both Andrew Booth and Kyler Gordon will likely be gone. I like Alontae Taylor a lot in the 3rd, or maybe Jaylon Armour-Davis or Martin Emerson.

[membengal]

They face SO many offenses next year that can sling it around and hit you with speed - Hill will be immediately valuable to help counter that. Jackson and Watson twice a year. The Dolphins fleet of cheetahs at WR. The Bills WRs. Tampa's WRs. The Saints' WRs. The Chiefs still throw it all over the place. Etc. Etc.

LouA loves being multiple and disguising looks. Hill lets him double down on that. Homerun pick - a faller that was surprising to see still on the board at 31.

[Todd Gack]

They face SO many offenses next year that can sling it around and hit you with speed - Hill will be immediately valuable to help counter that. Jackson and Watson twice a year. The Dolphins fleet of cheetahs at WR. The Bills WRs. Tampa's WRs. The Saints' WRs. The Chiefs still throw it all over the place. Etc. Etc.

LouA loves being multiple and disguising looks. Hill lets him double down on that. Homerun pick - a faller that was surprising to see still on the board at 31.

Correct. As I said, the key word was "versatility."

[bucksfan2]

Dax Hill was the BPA so I have no issue with the pick. If he can play S as well as slot CB that would give them a great deal of versatility.

This Carman situation could leave them short on the OL, which they will probably have to address at some point in the draft.

Still need a CB as well as TE. I would like to see them take Ruckert, guy has all the ability in the world, and is a good blocker. If you could steal him in the 3rd that would be great. OSU did not use him like he could have been used.

[KoryMac5]

PFF thought Hill might get a shot at playing outside...steep learning curve though as the footwork and turning is totally different.

I can see him being baseballs version of a utility guy in 2022. playing all over the field in the secondary.

[wolfboy]

Dax Hill was the BPA so I have no issue with the pick. If he can play S as well as slot CB that would give them a great deal of versatility.

This Carman situation could leave them short on the OL, which they will probably have to address at some point in the draft.

Still need a CB as well as TE. I would like to see them take Ruckert, guy has all the ability in the world, and is a good blocker. If you could steal him in the 3rd that would be great. OSU did not use him like he could have been used.

Just bring back Spain and cut the kid. I want to see them go BPA no matter what. Talent is talent.

[RedTeamGo!]

I think Hill is a good pick and fits the Bengals well. I personally like Cine more, but I could see that kid flaming out with injuries (he throws his body around like it is a cannonball). 2nd round you go BPA, if it happens to be an OL, even better. But, no need to draft for "needs"

[wolfboy]

As to the Dax Hill pick, I love it. Never thought he'd be there. For any doubters, go watch the Chiefs/Bills playoff game and tell me how a guy with Dax Hill's speed, athleticism and versatility won't be useful. Anarumo loves a Swiss Army Knife in his defensive backfield. This is why guys like Ricardo Allen and Flowers were a priority.

[Redsfaithful]

Just bring back Spain and cut the kid. I want to see them go BPA no matter what. Talent is talent.

I think this is the move - Spain would be adequate at LG with the new guys.

[KoryMac5]

Jonah Williams had his 5th year option picked up...12 million solid move

[RiverRat13]

I think they sign Spain after the draft even if they don't cut Carmen.

[Tony Cloninger]

Why do they do weird stuff like this in the 2nd round?

[WVRed]

Why do they do weird stuff like this in the 2nd round?

Not a bad pick. They’ve gotten long term replacements for both Vonn Bell and Eli Apple. Who would you rather they picked?

[Tony Cloninger]

Not a bad pick. They’ve gotten long term replacements for both Vonn Bell and Eli Apple. Who would you rather they picked?

I thought it was another S. It was listed as a Safety. So not as bad as I originally thought.

[Oxilon]

Not a bad pick. They’ve gotten long term replacements for both Vonn Bell and Eli Apple. Who would you rather they picked?

A little early to pencil them in as LT replacements for Bell and Apple, no?

[WVRed]

I thought it was another S. It was listed as a Safety. So not as bad as I originally thought.

They are interchangeable.

Britt doesn’t have the tackling to stick at safety so he projects as an outside cornerback.

[WVRed]

A little early to pencil them in as LT replacements for Bell and Apple, no?

Once they play out their contracts I’d say they are gone.

The Bengals are usually playing one step ahead. Sometimes it works but sometimes you get taking Cedric Ogbuehi to replace Andrew Whitworth.

[Kingspoint]

Winfrey would be a perfect pick for the Bengals in the 3rd right now. Has to last three more picks.

[WVRed]

Winfrey would be a perfect pick for the Bengals in the 3rd right now. Has to last three more picks.

Winfrey, Chenal, Tindall, or Ruckert.

[WVRed]

Reading Zach Carter is the pick.

https://www.nfl.com/prospects/zach-carter/32004341-5278-6801-508d-115b8e175a05

[Reds Fanatic]

Bengals take Zach Carter DL Florida

[Kingspoint]

Reading Zach Carter is the pick.

Super. I assumed the D-Line was the pick,...just didn't know who they valued the most useful with this pick. Has to be the correct pick.

[Kingspoint]

The bottom line is that the team that does the best at disrupting the opposing QB is going to win the AFC Championship. 11 teams in the AFC can score 30 points every week. Who can hold them to 20 will be the team that wins the league. We just addressed that with three picks who will all contribute towards that goal over the next five years. They will all help us afford those contract renewals of Burrow, Chase and Higgins on the Offensive side of the ball. What we do with our LT depends upon his ability to improve. We may let him go if he has another injured season and/or has an average season. He's still very young, so I imagine we resign him. It's just going to be a difficult negotiation as he won't deserve Top-20 money, and he'll probably ask for top-10.

[WVRed]

I’m pretty happy with this draft so far. It’s not horrible but they are stockpiling depth on defense especially in the secondary.

[Stray]

Hadn't heard of Zach Carter till 5 mins ago. Based on a 2 min highlight vid on Youtube, I'm a fan of the pick.

[Kingspoint]

Where's the money going to come from to pay Burrow, Chase, Higgins and Jonah Williams?



From the expiring contracts of some Defensive players, such as Bell, Waynes (already gone), Apple, Reader (if we don't resign him, too).

[Kingspoint]

Speed on Defense always wins over size, and we have just gotten a lot faster with these three picks.

It would be a lot of fun to watch this training camp.

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Burrow, Chase, Mixon and Higgins will have a tougher time against this Defense in Camp and practices.

[Kingspoint]

I’m pretty happy with this draft so far. It’s not horrible but they are stockpiling depth on defense especially in the secondary.

There's one clear goal of this draft.....make life difficult for opposing QB's, and with the number of quality ones that will face us every game, I like the idea of putting together a Defense that is as good as the Browns' Defense. We already led the NFL/AFC in a number of Defensive categories, and now we just got a heck of a lot faster.

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Cherry on the cake would be to sign Bates to a long-term contract.

[Kingspoint]

Shoutout to Steven Jackson.



Should have been a Bengal, if not for the idiot Marvin Lewis.

[Redsfaithful]

Hadn't heard of Zach Carter till 5 mins ago. Based on a 2 min highlight vid on Youtube, I'm a fan of the pick.

This is also how I do draft analysis.

[membengal]

Is Marion hobby still the d-line coach?

Yes.

Then I trust it’s a damn fine pick.

[WVRed]

Still some good O-lineman on the board.

Darian Kinnard and Jamarre Salyer would be worth a look.

[Bob Sheed]

2nd day offensive linemen are where it's at

[UKFlounder]

Maybe 3rd day ones will be too :D


2nd day offensive linemen are where it's at

[WVRed]

Cordell Volson (OT-North Dakota State)

[Reds Fanatic]

https://www.nfl.com/prospects/cordell-volson/3200564f-4c52-5986-6322-2a4e76aa5d7a

[RiverRat13]

The last two picks have certainly gone against draft world consensus. I don't get why they didn't gamble on Zach Tom's athleticism rather than a 24 year old FCS player with subpar agility to play guard in their current blocking scheme.

[Redsfaithful]

The last two picks have certainly gone against draft world consensus. I don't get why they didn't gamble on Zach Tom's athleticism rather than a 24 year old FCS player with subpar agility to play guard in their current blocking scheme.

Tested great as a guard for agility - https://twitter.com/Cincy_Suave/status/1520465581211799553

[WVRed]

Bengals traded up again.

Tycen Anderson (S-Toledo)

https://www.nfl.com/prospects/tycen-anderson/3200414e-4452-4004-7bac-78ca1684b30d

[RedTeamGo!]

Bengals traded up again.

Tycen Anderson (S-Toledo)

https://www.nfl.com/prospects/tycen-anderson/3200414e-4452-4004-7bac-78ca1684b30d

Usually my Toledo Rockets are known for good offense and horrible defense, but the last two years it’s been the opposite. Good defense and bad offense. This defense nearly shut down Notre Dame in South Bend. Anderson was a big part of last years D. Solid player. Excited to watch him with the Bengals.

TOL!

[Wonderful Monds]

They’re really going in on safeties, huh

[Reds Fanatic]

Bengals last pick is Jeffery Gunter LB Coastal Carolina who will most likely be used as an edge rusher. He had 12 sacks over the last 2 years

[WVRed]

Jeffrey Gunter (DE-Coastal Carolina)

https://www.nfl.com/prospects/jeffrey-gunter/32004755-4e66-6191-8e0e-ccda0e5629ed

Only one player taken on the offensive side of the ball.

[Ohayou]

Gunter is a solid athlete. He was also the center of this Jomboy video breakdown lol:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dqVsUtXYxVg

[traderumor]

Gunter is a solid athlete. He was also the center of this Jomboy video breakdown lol:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dqVsUtXYxVg

looks like he is our man to pay back Steelers for what TJ Watt did to Burrow last year.

[Tony Cloninger]

Doesn’t matter. Once again it’s been declared the Ravens win the draft. Pundits have that team so far up their asses that they can barely see fresh air. The Steelers have also been declared an A.

[WVRed]

Doesn’t matter. Once again it’s been declared the Ravens win the draft. Pundits have that team so far up their asses that they can barely see fresh air. The Steelers have also been declared an A.

Posted this in the other thread but the Ravens traded Hollywood and unlike the other teams who traded wideouts (Packers, Titans, Chiefs) didn’t take a receiver to offset it.

[WVRed]

Undrafted FA signings:

Coastal Carolina RB Shermari Jones
Ole Miss Rebels OL Ben Brown
Pittsburgh Panthers LS Cal Adomitis
Coastal Carolina WR Jaivon Heiligh
Kentucky TE Justin Rigg

[Redsfaithful]

I actually think the Steelers had a pretty bad draft, surprised they are getting an A from anybody. We'll see.

[Tony Cloninger]

I actually think the Steelers had a pretty bad draft, surprised they are getting an A from anybody. We'll see.

SI gave them A. Great draft they said. Stole a WR.

[Tony Cloninger]

Posted this in the other thread but the Ravens traded Hollywood and unlike the other teams who traded wideouts (Packers, Titans, Chiefs) didn’t take a receiver to offset it.

These WR issues. With other teams not coming to their unreasonable demands. What does that bode for the Bengals WR corps.

I’m surprised Lamar does not understand he is more important then his WR. You’re the one who has to get paid.

[Redsfaithful]

SI gave them A. Great draft they said. Stole a WR.

I think Pickett will lock them into QB purgatory for the next 5+ years. He won't be awful but won't be good enough either. As a Bengals fan I loved where they took him.

[RedTeamGo!]

I think Pickett will lock them into QB purgatory for the next 5+ years. He won't be awful but won't be good enough either. As a Bengals fan I loved where they took him.

Meh, they took Pickett at 20, not like top 5. Teams will move on from a QB pretty quickly if he can’t hack it. I think with a QB like Pickett it will be pretty obvious very quickly if can or cannot handle QB at NFL level. Kind of reminded me of the Jimmy Claussen pick by the Panthers the year before they picked Cam Newton. It was obviously immediately Claussen wasn’t an NFL starting QB.

[Redsfaithful]

Meh, they took Pickett at 20, not like top 5. Teams will move on from a QB pretty quickly if he can’t hack it. I think with a QB like Pickett it will be pretty obvious very quickly if can or cannot handle QB at NFL level. Kind of reminded me of the Jimmy Claussen pick by the Panthers the year before they picked Cam Newton. It was obviously immediately Claussen wasn’t an NFL starting QB.

That's what I'm saying though, I think he can hack it as a starting NFL QB. But he's not going to be good enough to compete with Watson/Jackson/Burrow. Think Andy Dalton level.

[RedTeamGo!]

That's what I'm saying though, I think he can hack it as a starting NFL QB. But he's not going to be good enough to compete with Watson/Jackson/Burrow. Think Andy Dalton level.

I disagree, I think it’s going to be obvious by like week 5 he’s not the guy. He’s got those tiny hands!

[Tony Cloninger]

They are going to re sign Span or another Guard right? I’m tired of hearing tough talk from Alexander’s ketchup bottle fetish to Pollack and his glass eaters. How about drafting and developing an OL at some point to at least be a serviceable back up. They got Jonah and that’s it. Why do they still even listen to Alexander anyways.

[KoryMac5]

They are going to re sign Span or another Guard right? I’m tired of hearing tough talk from Alexander’s ketchup bottle fetish to Pollack and his glass eaters. How about drafting and developing an OL at some point to at least be a serviceable back up. They got Jonah and that’s it. Why do they still even listen to Alexander anyways.

I think they realized that was an issue they now have 2 assistant O line coaches to help Pollack run that side of the ball.

[WVRed]

Meh, they took Pickett at 20, not like top 5. Teams will move on from a QB pretty quickly if he can’t hack it. I think with a QB like Pickett it will be pretty obvious very quickly if can or cannot handle QB at NFL level. Kind of reminded me of the Jimmy Claussen pick by the Panthers the year before they picked Cam Newton. It was obviously immediately Claussen wasn’t an NFL starting QB.

Claussen was taken in the second round. A better comparison would be Josh Rosen/Kyler Murray.


That's what I'm saying though, I think he can hack it as a starting NFL QB. But he's not going to be good enough to compete with Watson/Jackson/Burrow. Think Andy Dalton level.

If Pittsburgh churns out a top defense and gives him the weapons to succeed (Najee, Claypool, Diontae Johnson, Friermuth) I think he will be fine. Like Dalton and Derek Carr it’s all about the talent around him and not the player himself.

I think when we look back on this class five years from now Malik Willis will be the best QB taken. Tannehill is injury prone and as he showed against Cincinnati he can’t win when it matters. Willis may get his chance sooner rather than later.

[WVRed]

These WR issues. With other teams not coming to their unreasonable demands. What does that bode for the Bengals WR corps.

I’m surprised Lamar does not understand he is more important then his WR. You’re the one who has to get paid.

Fortunately we have time before we have to worry about that. I could see Boyd being a cap casualty as early as next season but Higgins and Chase we have a window with.

The Ravens are entering the season basically asking Rashod Bateman to take a huge jump. They have three TEs now but not much depth at WR.

[Redsfaithful]

If Pittsburgh churns out a top defense and gives him the weapons to succeed (Najee, Claypool, Diontae Johnson, Friermuth) I think he will be fine. Like Dalton and Derek Carr it’s all about the talent around him and not the player himself.


You might be right but I think the current AFC QB roster is going to make this strategy obsolete for awhile. I also think you're underrating Carr a little bit, I think he'll be a top 10 guy this year.

Agree with you on Malik, I was scared the Steelers would draft him.

[WVRed]

You might be right but I think the current AFC QB roster is going to make this strategy obsolete for awhile. I also think you're underrating Carr a little bit, I think he'll be a top 10 guy this year.

Agree with you on Malik, I was scared the Steelers would draft him.

It worked in the Dalton years here. We had Manning, Big Ben and Brady then so it’s not much different. Baltimore even proved it can be done with Joe Flacco who’s a similar QB.

I just wonder if Pittsburgh has done enough to upgrade their offensive line. Seems they are probably two pieces away there.

[Kingspoint]

What a wasted 1st Rd pick for the Steelers.

They'll finish bottom five in the league next season and will be forced to take another QB that will be available to them with 10 times the potential as the one they just took. Steelers aren't losing less than 12 games next season.

[WrongVerb]

The Ringer NFL Draft Podcast: Day 3 Sleepers, Bizarre QB Choices, and Which GMs Won the Draft (https://pca.st/u4f0i69r)

They like both Volson (17:49) and Anderson (19:20) as sleeper picks. They predict Volson will be starting by week 6 at guard for the Bengals.

[bucksfan2]

I thought it was a good draft for the Bengals. Apparently the DE from Florida was a reach, which you don't love to see that early in the draft.

It felt like a draft where they were in control, and were able to select guys who had fallen to them.

I was surprised to see them go so heavily defense, but that may foreshadow what is happening in the future.

As for some of the other divisional foes:

Pickett needs to be a hit. I do like the comparison to Andy Dalton, you need to be better than Andy Dalton. As we learned, if you are good enough to hold onto the job but not good enough to put a team over the top, you are in purgatory.

Baltimore does what Baltimore does. They seemed to nail the draft, but I didn't realize they did not replace Brown. But then again, Baltimore can't draft WR's to save their lives.

Cleveland went all in on Watson, which may end up being a redshirt year as there has to be suspended.

Overall I like where the Bengals are, they are coming off a SB appearance and seem to have gotten better this offseason.

[Sea Ray]

What a wasted 1st Rd pick for the Steelers.

They'll finish bottom five in the league next season and will be forced to take another QB that will be available to them with 10 times the potential as the one they just took. Steelers aren't losing less than 12 games next season.

I never underestimate the Steelers. They always seem to pull games out

[KoryMac5]

I thought it was a good draft for the Bengals. Apparently the DE from Florida was a reach, which you don't love to see that early in the draft.

It felt like a draft where they were in control, and were able to select guys who had fallen to them.

I was surprised to see them go so heavily defense, but that may foreshadow what is happening in the future.

As for some of the other divisional foes:

Pickett needs to be a hit. I do like the comparison to Andy Dalton, you need to be better than Andy Dalton. As we learned, if you are good enough to hold onto the job but not good enough to put a team over the top, you are in purgatory.

Baltimore does what Baltimore does. They seemed to nail the draft, but I didn't realize they did not replace Brown. But then again, Baltimore can't draft WR's to save their lives.

Cleveland went all in on Watson, which may end up being a redshirt year as there has to be suspended.

Overall I like where the Bengals are, they are coming off a SB appearance and seem to have gotten better this offseason.

From what I read they liked how the DT from Florida fit their scheme better than some other guys...still possible they could bring back Larry O on another 1 year prove it deal too.

[Kingspoint]

I never underestimate the Steelers. They always seem to pull games out

I don't think they're the princes of the NFL anymore. They won't get the benefit of the officiating going forward. There's just no reason to as bad as they are, and truly, the best benefit they could get would be to lose as many games next year as possible. They really suck, and add to that 14 games against AFC opponents with none of them being against the hapless Steelers, and they are looking at 12 lossses or more next year. This assumes they sweep their three NFC games, of which they likely win only 1 of those.

[Ohayou]

I like Carter, just not so much where they picked him. Then again, the Bengals realized he would probably not be available with their 4th round pick. Leo Chenal, Channing Tindall, Jeremy Ruckert, Cade Otton, and Perrion Winfrey were all still on the board. I would have gone with Chenal, personally. I think he's going to be an absolute beast in the NFL. I hate that he went to the Chiefs.

[Kingspoint]

Bengals have hit a grand slam in the UDFA market since Saturday. Can't picture any team doing better than Cincinnati did.

If you can get any time off to watch any of their camp days, that would be an event to see worth every moment.

Pre-season games have become relevant again, but for a different reason....not to see who is going to start and do well, but to see the intense competition come out on the field from the infusion of talent at depth that will push everyone on the squad to better results. This was already the most disciplined team in the NFL last season with the league's fewest penalties, and the players who committed the most (from the O-Line) are gone and replaced by Veterans who collectively come in as incredibly disciplined players. Speed, discipline, talent, a great mix of Veterans and youth at every position, and now a Head Coach, D.C. and O.C. who now have several years of experience, and then added to that the NFL's elite of O-Line and D-Line Coaches and a group of fans who have paid their dues and are incredibly appreciated by last year's efforts, all led by Joe Cool and his cigar-smoking teammates, and there's a similar setup that the Big Red Machine had back in 1970. Those REDS had incredible competition themselves in order to reach the top, but the setup seems very similar (except REDS' fans didn't suffer the way Bengals' fans did prior to the build-up of the great run). Bengals' fans who have long left their commitment to the team will invariably be drawn back, too.

If you haven't seen the list and descriptions of Bengals' 2022 UDFA's, go here: https://forum.go-bengals.com/index.php?/topic/87577-bengals-udfas/

[traderumor]

I think Reds fans suffered similarly prior to BRM. From 1941 to 1970, one WS appearance, a few contending teams, always weak in one area (pitching), bad ownership/management. The BRM was a blip on the radar of a historically futile franchise.

[Kingspoint]

Bengals win again!

Huber signs again for another season.

[WVRed]

I like Carter, just not so much where they picked him. Then again, the Bengals realized he would probably not be available with their 4th round pick. Leo Chenal, Channing Tindall, Jeremy Ruckert, Cade Otton, and Perrion Winfrey were all still on the board. I would have gone with Chenal, personally. I think he's going to be an absolute beast in the NFL. I hate that he went to the Chiefs.

Winfrey is the only DT I saw that profiled close to Carter but I’ll trust the Bengals judgment on this one.

Tycen Anderson was projected to be a 3-4 round pick. We got him in the 5th.

Jeffery Gunter was projected 5-6 and we got him in the 7th.

Carter and Volson were both reaches according to nfl.com.

[Redsfaithful]

Bengals win again!

Huber signs again for another season.

I think this is fine, give him a farewell tour, new guy in 2023.

[Hillsdale87]

Winfrey is the only DT I saw that profiled close to Carter but I’ll trust the Bengals judgment on this one.

Tycen Anderson was projected to be a 3-4 round pick. We got him in the 5th.

Jeffery Gunter was projected 5-6 and we got him in the 7th.

Carter and Volson were both reaches according to nfl.com.

I've seen a wide variance on Colson. Some had him as a 6th rounder and some think he's an immediate upgrade. Hopefully the second group is right [emoji3]


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[Kingspoint]

I've seen a wide variance on Colson. Some had him as a 6th rounder and some think he's an immediate upgrade. Hopefully the second group is right [emoji3]


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The only group that matters is the Duke Tobin group.

[bucksfan2]

I think this is fine, give him a farewell tour, new guy in 2023.

They have a new guy on the practice squad.

Huber is fine, but they can do better. He is probably a bottom half of the league guy right now, does it matter? I don't know.

[Redsfaithful]

They have a new guy on the practice squad.

Huber is fine, but they can do better. He is probably a bottom half of the league guy right now, does it matter? I don't know.

Drue Chrisman or someone else?

Looks like the Bengals may have been considering the guy the Ravens took in the 4th - https://www.cincyjungle.com/2022/5/2/23053591/nfl-rumors-bengals-punter-with-4th-round-pick-nfl-draft-2022

[Kingspoint]

They have a new guy on the practice squad.

Huber is fine, but they can do better. He is probably a bottom half of the league guy right now, does it matter? I don't know.

Can't see Huber punting more than 30 times all season, with less than half of those coming from inside his own 30.

The Bengals will have their best field average starting field position they've had in, possibly, the history of the franchise, and more likely, their best in the last 35 years.

The factors that go into this are how good is the team at 3-and-outs, Pass Interference penalties against, ability to create turnovers on Defense, sustained drives by the Offense, and playing with a lead.

We were 25th in the NFL in 3-and-outs last season Defensively per FootballOutsiders. That number should improve dramatically. Our lack of speed in the back-7 really hurt us there, so this number should improve even though we have the same Starters than last year. Our subs will be faster. They are going to be faster than ever Defensively and more disciplined with Veterans more seasoned in Anarumo's 4th year with the squad and 1st full training camp and OTA's since he's been here with this group of personnel. It's already one of the league's best at creating turnovers and they added nothing but players who fit that mold of long extension to the ball, aggressiveness, and speed to recover in order to make a play on the ball or prevent long completions. Opposing teams will not get as far downfield before they give up the ball.

Offensively, the Bengals will have shorter 3rd down distances to complete to extend a drive and get three more plays with the added additions of a new C/RG/RT and the winner of an incredible competition for LG, a talented LT going into basically his 3rd season and only 2nd training camp. The Bengals are going to have more opportunities between the 40's, the sweet spot in the NFL for throwing deep, something the Bengals are in a class by themselves at in the NFL. They are going to do it even more often next season, and this will lead to more early leads and a healthier Joe Burrow, which in turn, gives our Defense more rest while giving them more opportunities to rush the passer on obvious passing downs.

Offensively, the Bengals are going to have more opportunities to go for it on 4th Down, too because of field position and the shorter 3rd-Down distances.


Yeah, I just don't see Huber punting more than 30 times, averaging about 1.5 times per game.

[WVRed]

Bengals ended up not playing the Saints in Europe as many suggested.

Any guesses how many prime time games we get? I’m guessing against the Chiefs and at Tampa.

[membengal]

Bengals ended up not playing the Saints in Europe as many suggested.

Any guesses how many prime time games we get? I’m guessing against the Chiefs and at Tampa.

More than that.

I am guessing close to the max. At least 4. Perhaps 5.

[membengal]

Games that will draw potential prime time interest - Saints, Bills, Chiefs, Bucs, Pats, Titans and then the Browns/Ravens/Steelers grouping.

That's 9 potential opponents that will be, I would imagine, of potential prime time interest. Like I said, 4 or 5 is my guess.

[Redsfaithful]

They will get a ton, which I kind of personally dislike. I love the 1:00 slot, but gotta give it up when good.

I think Saints, two division games, Bills, Chiefs, will be prime time.

[WVRed]

Games that will draw potential prime time interest - Saints, Bills, Chiefs, Bucs, Pats, Titans and then the Browns/Ravens/Steelers grouping.

That's 9 potential opponents that will be, I would imagine, of potential prime time interest. Like I said, 4 or 5 is my guess.

I think you’re being generous.

The NFL had numerous opportunities to flex the Bengals into a prime time game last season and the best we got was the 9ers game moved to 4:25. They’ll definitely get some games this year but will probably get the shaft.

I’m going with three:
Chiefs (Week 1)
@ Saints or @ Bucs
A divisional game

I’m not counting Thursday night either. I know it’s technically “prime time” but it’s a joke and we all know it. I figure that game will be the Saints (they’re going to be bad this year) or Browns. Especially if it’s early and Watson is suspended.

[bm1475]

I think the NFL sees the Bengals as a 10-7 team that got lucky and isn't actually an elite team. I think they'll be home on SNF because the SB loser usually is, one other unflexable game, then 2-3 flexable late-season games in case they end up bad again. Not that they will, but that's how the NFL will hedge.

[Redhook]

I think the NFL sees the Bengals as a 10-7 team that got lucky and isn't actually an elite team. I think they'll be home on SNF because the SB loser usually is, one other unflexable game, then 2-3 flexable late-season games in case they end up bad again. Not that they will, but that's how the NFL will hedge.

And, that benefits the Bengals. Still overlooked. The Bills are loaded, and on paper, they’re the best team. That said, I think the Bengals are loaded too and the 2nd best team in the AFC. They have a tough schedule, but I think 10-7 is the floor. I believe they’re going to excel this year and go 12-5.

[WVRed]

I think the NFL sees the Bengals as a 10-7 team that got lucky and isn't actually an elite team. I think they'll be home on SNF because the SB loser usually is, one other unflexable game, then 2-3 flexable late-season games in case they end up bad again. Not that they will, but that's how the NFL will hedge.

If they get flexed it will only be Sunday Night Football. The Monday night games are locked in.

[membengal]

Oh good lord. Sack up people. The bengals were involved in some of the highest rated regular season and playoff games in a number of years last year. They have one of the most marketable players in football at QB. Yeah, sure, they are barely gonna be on primetime this year. FFS.

[bucksfan2]

They will get a ton, which I kind of personally dislike. I love the 1:00 slot, but gotta give it up when good.

I think Saints, two division games, Bills, Chiefs, will be prime time.

I like the 1:00 slot but love the 4:00 slot. Early in the fall my girls have soccer on Sunday which can conflict with the Bengals.

I don't care too much for the Sunday night or Monday night games, and Thursday night football is just a mess.

I think the Saints may be a marquee 4:00 spot. Its a real possibility that the Saints are bad this year.

Chiefs and Bills look to be primetime games.

[membengal]

As luck would have it, Jay Morrison wrote an entire piece on just this topic this AM in The Athletic:


https://theathletic.com/3294276/2022/05/05/bengals-prime-time-tv/?source=rss&utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter

Take this data and chew on it:


To get an idea of how many prime-time games the Bengals can expect, I took a look at the schedules of the previous 11 Super Bowl losers. What emerged wasn’t so much a gauge as a guarantee. You can almost bank on there being five prime-time games, as 10 of those 11 teams were rewarded with that many the following season. And the lone exception got four.

[membengal]

His summation after looking at the details of the past 11 years:


Takeaways
Based on the fairly predictable template that has been established over the past decade, you can expect the Bengals to have five prime-time games.

There’s sure to be one on a Thursday, and then the Sunday/Monday split will most likely be three to one, although two and two are not out of the question.

Expect at least two to be at home and two on the road, with the fifth being a wild card.

Two of the five most likely will be against division opponents.

And it appears the league loves the idea of championship game rematches in prime time, so the game against the Chiefs has better odds of being nationally televised than not.

Every team on the list had at least one prime-time game scheduled against a team from the other conference.

[KoryMac5]

The Athletic has Ben Brown from Ole Miss as one UDFA to watch for the Bengals...

[membengal]

Dan Hoard on the Booth podcast spoke to a schedule official in the NFL and he said to expect the maximum 5 prime time games.

[membengal]

That Dan Hoard interview on the BBP w/ the NFL scheduler was an absolutely fascinating listen.



Guy basically said Browns won't have many primetime slots due to their sucking last year relative to expectations. Confirmed Bengals/Cowboys is in the mix for the Thanksgiving game.



Also said that not only will Bengals likely have max of 5 scheduled prime time games (with ability to flex an additional game) but that we could expect a lot of 4:25 kicks as the prime game in the late afternoon window.


Sounds like 6 or 7 1:00 pm kicks with rest being in later window or prime time reading between the lines (or reading the lines directly).

[RiverRat13]

Browns won't have many prime time games because the league doesn't want to highlight DeShaun Watson.

[membengal]

Browns won't have many prime time games because the league doesn't want to highlight DeShaun Watson.

I can only tell you what the guy said. He specifically was asked about Watson by Hoard .

[KoryMac5]

I like the 1:00 slot but love the 4:00 slot. Early in the fall my girls have soccer on Sunday which can conflict with the Bengals.

I don't care too much for the Sunday night or Monday night games, and Thursday night football is just a mess.

I think the Saints may be a marquee 4:00 spot. Its a real possibility that the Saints are bad this year.

Chiefs and Bills look to be primetime games.

Agreed the 4pm games are usually the best of the week without a doubt...games are competitive and the announcing and production is pretty good as well...much rather see the Bengals get a few of those 4pm slots than primetime. So far everything I have read says 5 primetime games.

[WVRed]

Don’t know how true it is but I saw a leak of the Ravens schedule:

Week 1 in Cincinnati (1:00)
Week 13 at Baltimore (Thursday night)

[membengal]

That’s the third different week one game opponent for the bengals i have seen “leaked”…

[WVRed]

That’s the third different week one game opponent for the bengals i have seen “leaked”…

I’m not buying the Ravens one simply because i think it will be a SNF or MNF game.

[Sea Ray]

According to this, our Bengals will play Cowboys on Thanksgiving



NFL Schedule Leaks
@NFLGameLeaks
NFL Thanksgiving Matchup;

Bengals @ Cowboys, 4:30PM EST, FOX

Two of the Thanksgiving matchups are set.



https://mobile.twitter.com/nflgameleaks/status/1524062843024379905

That'd be outstanding

[KoryMac5]

According to this, our Bengals will play Cowboys on Thanksgiving






https://mobile.twitter.com/nflgameleaks/status/1524062843024379905

That'd be outstanding

That would be cool they have only played Turkey Day once back in 2010...

[Sea Ray]

That would be cool they have only played Turkey Day once back in 2010...

Yep and that wasn't on free TV

[WVRed]

So rumors are:

Ravens vs Bengals week 1 SNF
Saints Week 3 SNF
Cowboys Thanksgiving Day

[WrongVerb]

So rumors are:

Ravens vs Bengals week 1 SNF
Saints Week 3 SNF
Cowboys Thanksgiving Day

I have no knowledge or even rumors, but TBvsCIN seems ripe for a Monday Night game.

[Chip R]

I've seen a Dolphins schedule from a Miami TV station that had Miami playing the Bengals on Monday night October 3rd. Of course I've also seen caveats about that schedule too so take it with a grain of salt.

[Rdirtypirates]

Malik Wright is a great twitter follow. He nailed most of the draft.
I know a lot of people hate when people leak the entire schedule . Out of respect for the suspense I’ll only share a few games

Week 1 Steelers 1PM

Week 2 Dallas 4:25

Week 8 Browns MNF

Week 17 Bills MNF

[WVRed]

Malik Wright is a great twitter follow. He nailed most of the draft.
I know a lot of people hate when people leak the entire schedule . Out of respect for the suspense I’ll only share a few games

Week 1 Steelers 1PM

Week 2 Dallas 4:25

Week 8 Browns MNF

Week 17 Bills MNF

If this is true and no other prime time games then I am honestly not surprised. Disappointed though that we don’t get a prime time game week 1 but if it’s week 8 before we get anything in the evening that speaks volumes of how the NFL views Cincinnati.

[Redsfaithful]

If that's true, I like it.

What a gift to be able to have a "we're being disrespected" mindset the year after a Super Bowl appearance.

[Boss-Hog]

If this is true and no other prime time games then I am honestly not surprised. Disappointed though that we don’t get a prime time game week 1 but if it’s week 8 before we get anything in the evening that speaks volumes of how the NFL views Cincinnati.

Without knowing anything, I'd be absolutely shocked if this is the complete list of primetime games. I trust Malik, but he said himself this is a selected list of games, and I don't take that to mean this is the complete list of their primetime games.

[membengal]

that is NOT the complete list of any of their games, much less primetime. Malik handed out four, two of which he says are primetime. That leaves 13 games unaccounted for, some of which will also be primetime. Seriously, sack up, WV.

[membengal]

I mean, jay morrison has pieced together a sreadsheet of leaks and he has sunday night games against ravens and steelers. So if he and Malik are right, that's four. Max is five...and jay only has nine of the games on his confirmed leak list.

[WVRed]

that is NOT the complete list of any of their games, much less primetime. Malik handed out four, two of which he says are primetime. That leaves 13 games unaccounted for, some of which will also be primetime. Seriously, sack up, WV.

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20220512/4eaa43a2a092c19b14a179d2524ea10f.jpg
There’s the Morrison leak.

Only one home game unless you count the Thursday night game (I don’t). So yeah, still getting disrespected.

[WVRed]

Out of curiosity, when is the last time the Bengals HOSTED a game on Sunday Night Football? Monday night has happened but I’d imagine you’d have to go back to the early Marvin Lewis days to find it.

Edit: Just looked it up, 2012 against the Steelers. 10 years.

[UKFlounder]

Why doesn’t Thursday count?




https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20220512/4eaa43a2a092c19b14a179d2524ea10f.jpg
There’s the Morrison leak.

Only one home game unless you count the Thursday night game (I don’t). So yeah, still getting disrespected.

[membengal]

That’s five prime time games, WV. You were just plain wrong.

[membengal]

The majority of their games are going to be prime time or in the featured 4:25 national window. I am having a hard time seeing how that is no respect. Especially when they got the max five prime time games possible.

[WVRed]

Why doesn’t Thursday count?


Why doesn’t Thursday count?

It’s usually a pretty low caliber game. Some end up being better than expected but most are divisional matchups that aren’t worth watching or teams not expected to contend vs the top teams.

Plus injuries, short week, etc. I imagine ratings are going to go down with the move to Amazon.

[membengal]

literally the NFL has stated that it is trying to get high quality games to Thursday night because of its new partner Amazon , especially early in the year.

[WVRed]

Leaks must be legit. Bengals Facebook page confirmed opening the season against Pittsburgh.

[RiverRat13]

I was hoping the Dallas game would be later in the year (not Thanksgiving). I'm not as interested in trying to go in September.

[KoryMac5]

Per Twitter:



Ari Meirov
@MySportsUpdate
·
35m
NFL rewarded Cincy: After getting one primetime game last year (vs JAX), the Bengals are scheduled to have FIVE in 2022:

Wk 4: MIA (TNF)
Wk 5: @ BAL (SNF)
Wk 8: @ CLE (MNF)
Wk 11: @ PIT (SNF)
Wk 17: BUF (MNF)

They also have 4:25 ET starts vs DAL (Wk 2), KC (Wk 13) & TB (Wk 15).

[WVRed]

Dallas, KC, and TB are 4:25 start times and New England is a Saturday game with the Ravens possibly being a Saturday game.

[WVRed]

Maybe I’m being nit picky but I do wish Cincinnati would have gotten a home Sunday night game. Like I said earlier it’s been 10 years since NBC has been here not counting the playoffs.

All three divisional prime time games (Ravens, Steelers, Browns) are on the road.

[BuckeyeRed27]

Whew…that is quite the 7 game stretch to finish!

[membengal]

Ari Meirov
@MySportsUpdate
· 4m
Amount of primetime games by team:

5: CIN, LAC, LAR, BUF, PHI, TB, GB, DAL, SF, NE, PIT, DEN, KC

4: TEN, IND, LV, ARZ

3: CHI, NO, BAL

2: CLE, WSH, MIA, SEA, MIN

1: NYJ, NYG, HOU, JAX, CAR, ATL

0: DET

[Redsfaithful]

Pittsburgh is going to be awful, wild to see them with 5.

[WVRed]

Pittsburgh is going to be awful, wild to see them with 5.

As long as they have that defense they won’t be awful. That said I’m betting by the time we play them on SNF that they will be handing the reigns over to Kenny Pick Pickett.

They’ll get the max because they are the Steelers. They’ll bring ratings just like the Cowboys. They could be horrible and people would still tune in.

[Tony Cloninger]

Dallas could go 6-10 and still get 3 PT games. What a perfect example of hype and name over substance. No wonder Stephen Smith can’t stand them. The Bengals last year won more playoff games then Dallas has won in 20 years.

The Steelers at least make the playoffs but they are getting by on their rep now more than ever. They need about 2 seasons of 4-5 wins or 6 at least to not get that many PT games.

[Tony Cloninger]

Wait. Philly and NE got 5 too? I’m surprised the Jets and Giants don’t get more just because everyone said they won the draft.

[WVRed]

Wait. Philly and NE got 5 too? I’m surprised the Jets and Giants don’t get more just because everyone said they won the draft.

Eagles also got four home games.

[Redhook]

The Bengals schedule is an A+. The first 10 games are relatively easy. They should go something like 7-3 or 8-2. After that it’s tough, but they should still finish with 11-12 wins overall. It’s exciting and I can’t wait!

[Stray]

Love the schedule.

[WVRed]

Week 1: Pittsburgh Steelers (W)
Week 2: @ Dallas Cowboys (L)
Week 3: @ New York Jets (W)
Week 4: Miami Dolphins (Thursday Night Football) (W)
Week 5: @ Baltimore Ravens (Sunday Night Football) (L)
Week 6: @ New Orleans Saints (W)
Week 7: Atlanta Falcons (W)
Week 8: @ Cleveland Browns (Monday Night Football) (W)
Week 9: Carolina Panthers (W)
Week 10: BYE WEEK
Week 11: @ Pittsburgh Steelers (Sunday Night Football) (W)
Week 12: @ Tennessee Titans (L)
Week 13: Kansas City Chiefs (L)
Week 14: Cleveland Browns (W)
Week 15: @ Tampa Bay Buccaneers (L)
Week 16: @ New England Patriots (Christmas Eve)(W)
Week 17: Buffalo Bills (Monday Night Football)(L)
Week 18: Baltimore Ravens (W)

I’ve got 11-6. That would actually be pretty impressive given the difficulty of this schedule. If they go 3-3 weeks 12-18 it will be an accomplishment.

[WVRed]

Note to Jessie: This typically doesn’t end well under the Brown family:

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2022/05/16/report-jessie-bates-has-no-plans-to-sign-franchise-tag-or-play-under-it/

[Big Red Smokey]

Yeah, Bates really doesn't have a lot of leverage at this moment. He's not turning down $13 mil.

[Bob Sheed]

Note to Jessie: This typically doesn’t end well under the Brown family:

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2022/05/16/report-jessie-bates-has-no-plans-to-sign-franchise-tag-or-play-under-it/

Bates is about to stare into the abyss that is Katie Bug's eyes, where he will see himself... signing with the Detroit Lions for a similar amount.

Better get on board, Jessie...

[Redhook]

The draft probably pissed off Bates as well. It’s almost a certainty that this will be his last year with the team. And, that’s fine. He’s very good, not great, but other positions are much more of a priority. And, they just drafted his replacement(s). He gone!

[Big Red Smokey]

Saving the Bates money for Higgins now. They need to hit on hopefully both of these safeties.

[KoryMac5]

Saving the Bates money for Higgins now. They need to hit on hopefully both of these safeties.

I think Higgins market will be very robust...he's considered a true 1 by every team in the league.

AS for Bates would love to keep him but do you want to pay a safety 15 million per season especially one that has been so up and down throughout his career.

[Big Red Smokey]

I think Higgins market will be very robust...he's considered a true 1 by every team in the league.

AS for Bates would love to keep him but do you want to pay a safety 15 million per season especially one that has been so up and down throughout his career.

Pretty much. I mean Jamal Adams has helped Seattle win NADA since he got there.

[WVRed]

Saving the Bates money for Higgins now. They need to hit on hopefully both of these safeties.

More likely Chase. I don’t see the Bengals being able to afford both Chase and Higgins as well as extending Burrow.

[Todd Gack]

I think Higgins market will be very robust...he's considered a true 1 by every team in the league.

AS for Bates would love to keep him but do you want to pay a safety 15 million per season especially one that has been so up and down throughout his career.

1) Someone will wildly overpay for Higgins as their #1. He's not a #1, perfect #2. He's benefitted from Chase/Burrow.

2) Bates is so overrated it's not even funny. Had the season ended before the playoffs, he would've been considered one of the biggest disappointments from last year and yet because he intercepted a pass after Ryan Tannehill stared down a received for 20 minutes and Mahomes happened to throw in double coverage he is considered GREAT by many Bengals fans.

[KoryMac5]

1) Someone will wildly overpay for Higgins as their #1. He's not a67 #1, perfect #2. He's benefitted from Chase/Burrow.

2) Bates is so overrated it's not even funny. Had the season ended before the playoffs, he would've been considered one of the biggest disappointments from last year and yet because he intercepted a pass after Ryan Tannehill stared down a received for 20 minutes and Mahomes happened to throw in double coverage he is considered GREAT by many Bengals fans.

Higgins would be a 1 on half of the teams in the NFL and someone will definitely pay him. Christian Kirk got 4 for 72 and Higgins is better.

Bates has been inconsistent year to year...he had a solid 2018...then a below average 2019, he had a great 2020, followed by a below average 2021 and a good playoff stretch. I would not pay top 3 safety money for that production.

[bucksfan2]

Higgins would be a 1 on half of the teams in the NFL and someone will definitely pay him. Christian Kirk got 4 for 72 and Higgins is better.

Bates has been inconsistent year to year...he had a solid 2018...then a below average 2019, he had a great 2020, followed by a below average 2021 and a good playoff stretch. I would not pay top 3 safety money for that production.

Higgins really came on as the season went along. I don't believe he is a #1 type of WR and is exactly the type of guy you don't want to pay #1 type money. I don't think he possesses the speed to be a #1, but is a damn good #2.

Bates was the heart and soul of the defense down the stretch last season. I don't know if you give him a huge contract, especially when you drafted Dax Hill this year. Sometimes you let good players walk because you can't afford everything.

FWIW over the next few seasons Burrow gets more expensive but will be reasonable. Its when he gets his $60M/year in 3 years when things will really get tight.

[RiverRat13]

Tee Higgins just turned 23. If he's not a #1 yet, he's got time to get there.

[Sea Ray]

Higgins is not a problem. You keep him around for two more yrs. If you're really strapped, you franchise him for a third. Otherwise take your draft pick comp or if someone wants to overpay for him ala Tyreek Hill, you grab it.

[KoryMac5]

Higgins was drafted to be a number 1 receiver him being eclipsed by Chase does not change that...

141 catches and 1999 yds in 2 seasons that plays as a 1 on so many teams.

[KoryMac5]

Burrow said he checked to Chase on the go route last play of SB...just didn't have enough time.

That play still haunts me.

[WVRed]

Everyone’s new favorite Bengals source Malik Wright is saying he wouldn’t read too much into seeing Jessie Bates sit out the season.

[Redhook]

Everyone’s new favorite Bengals source Malik Wright is saying he wouldn’t read too much into seeing Jessie Bates sit out the season.

2 things are nearly certain. 1) Bates will play this year. 2) This will be his last year with the Bengals. And, I’m ok with that. It makes no sense to sign him to a long term deal when he’s good, but not great. AND, there are much more important positions on the field AND they drafted 2 potential replacements.

[RedEye]

I don't think Bates not signing would be due to the team wanting to save for Burrow/Chase/Higgins. Probably more a conflict of how they value his position and his production. Not saying I agree with their analysis -- just that if they were desperate to sign him, they would have already.

[WVRed]

I don't think Bates not signing would be due to the team wanting to save for Burrow/Chase/Higgins. Probably more a conflict of how they value his position and his production. Not saying I agree with their analysis -- just that if they were desperate to sign him, they would have already.

Safeties are a dime a dozen. Not knocking Jessie because he is one of the best in the league but if Dax or Anderson end up being solid our defense won’t suffer much.

If he was a QB, LT, EDGE or MLB I could see justifying paying him top dollar. Safeties, interior linemen, tight ends and skill players are pretty much easy to replace unless you have a HOF caliber player on the roster.

[Oxilon]

Safeties are a dime a dozen. Not knocking Jessie because he is one of the best in the league but if Dax or Anderson end up being solid our defense won’t suffer much.

If he was a QB, LT, EDGE or MLB I could see justifying paying him top dollar. Safeties, interior linemen, tight ends and skill players are pretty much easy to replace unless you have a HOF caliber player on the roster.

Do Bengals win AFCCG if Jessie Bates is not our starting safety?

[Redhook]

Safeties are a dime a dozen. Not knocking Jessie because he is one of the best in the league but if Dax or Anderson end up being solid our defense won’t suffer much.

If he was a QB, LT, EDGE or MLB I could see justifying paying him top dollar. Safeties, interior linemen, tight ends and skill players are pretty much easy to replace unless you have a HOF caliber player on the roster.

Exactly.

[KoryMac5]

Do Bengals win AFCCG if Jessie Bates is not our starting safety?

Would you have paid Bates top 3 safety $$$ after his 2021 regular season though...he was great in the playoffs but pretty average during the regular season. He's been up and down throughout his career. I like Bates and hope he stays but it is tough to pay him top 3 dollars.

[WVRed]

Do Bengals win AFCCG if Jessie Bates is not our starting safety?

Do the Bengals beat the Steelers both times in the playoffs if Carson Palmer or Andy Dalton don’t go down?

I don’t think the Bengals win against the Titans or the Chiefs but that’s no reason to reward him with a contract that isn’t close to what he’s worth. You’re risking cap space that will be needed later to lock down Burrow and others for someone who likely isn’t going to live up to the contract he’s going to get and become a cap casualty. Let someone else be on the hook for it. I’d rather let him walk and build toward future Super Bowls.

By this logic Malcom Butler should have been a Patriot for life for his INT in the end zone when they won the Super Bowl. That didn’t really work out for them did it?

[Kingspoint]

Do the Bengals beat the Steelers both times in the playoffs if Carson Palmer or Andy Dalton don’t go down?


I'd say, "Unequivocally, yes!".

That said, the refs were already swallowing their whistles on Defensive Pass Interference against the Squealers before Carson went down. While it looked like the Bengals would have won that game by at least 14 points, taking the refs out of the equation, they would have found a way to give the themselves a chance to steal it for the Squealers. Don't know how much better Dalton would have been than his replacement, but it was certain that the refs were not going to allow the Bengals to win no matter what in the 2nd game.

The Cheatin' Squealers are so rotten now, and will be for several years, that no amount of NFL/referee interference will get them out from the cellar for a while. They were stupid enough to draft a QB this year when they are going to have a Top-5 pick next season for a much, much better QB. It might be enough that they screwed themselves over and will have to die with Willis as they watch passed up QB's next season lead their prospective teams to the playoffs (in the NFC only....ain't no teams taking a QB next season in the 1st Rd that will penetrate the playoffs in the AFC over the next five seasons. Those spots are all taken by AFC teams that currently have legitimate franchise QB's, and the Jets ain't one of them, nor are the Titans, but Tannehill might just be good enough to get his team to the playoffs one more time because of Henry and their excellent HC, and their two weak division opponents of HOU and JAX that should hand them four wins).

Steelers will go 0-6 intra-division this season, while losing at least 12 games total, more than likely 14 games.

[Kingspoint]

Do Bengals win AFCCG if Jessie Bates is not our starting safety?

You can say that "if" about 25 guys in that game.

[Kingspoint]

We don't have to be as good Defensively next season because of our vastly improved (on an already very good) Offense, yet we will be much better, with or without Bates. Bates is here next year no matter what. Will he be here longer is the question.

[Kingspoint]

Can't see them sticking with the Week 11 SNF game of CIN (7-2) @ PIT (1-8). Who would tune in to watch the 1-8 Steelers lose by 30 points? That game gets moved to the afternoon and a much better game replaces it.

[WVRed]

Can't see them sticking with the Week 11 SNF game of CIN (7-2) @ PIT (1-8). Who would tune in to watch the 1-8 Steelers lose by 30 points? That game gets moved to the afternoon and a much better game replaces it.

I think the Steelers will be better than 1-8. That said if they do flex hopefully a home game takes it’s place (KC)

[Ohayou]

As much as I despise the Steelers, you can never count them out. They rank 5th in totals wins from 2012-present, and haven't had a losing season since 2003.

[Redsfaithful]

The Steelers are going to suck. Maybe the defense gets them to mediocre, but the offense is going to be pitiful.

[KoryMac5]

Long shot option for the Bengals at TE

https://www.yahoo.com/sports/scotty-washington-te-interesting-bengals-183435275.html

[RedEye]

Safeties are a dime a dozen. Not knocking Jessie because he is one of the best in the league but if Dax or Anderson end up being solid our defense won’t suffer much.

If he was a QB, LT, EDGE or MLB I could see justifying paying him top dollar. Safeties, interior linemen, tight ends and skill players are pretty much easy to replace unless you have a HOF caliber player on the roster.

Depends on what he's asking for, which we don't know. I still think they have the $ to sign him if they want to. And I don't think safeties are a "dime a dozen."

I bet it comes down to the guaranteed money. And I don't think they are wrong to let him walk if he insists -- I just also don't think the whole "we need to pay Burrow, Ja'Marr and Tee" argument holds much water either.

Bengals want to spend money the way they want to spend it. That means not much guaranteed. They like the control that gives them over their finances without having to get "creative" with the cap. This results in them not having to panic to make things work later. It has its pros and cons, but it is what it is.

[Kingspoint]

I would think that there has only been a handful of Safeties that have had PFF grades of 90+ (for a full season of snaps) over the last 5 years. Bates is one of them. It's why he stepped up huge during the playoffs. 3 INT's (I'm counting his intentional tip into the chest of Vonn Bell in OT as his 3rd) and 7 Pass breakups in the AFC playoffs alone. That's why the best of the best get the most money. That said, he'd be an idiot to sit out. If there's anything one should know about Mike Brown....he doesn't blink. He hasn't stepped into negotiations the last couple of years on things, but I think he would "strongly" advise those making the final decisions of the ramifications it creates down the road. Cannot let a player dictate terms.

Bengals have been more than fair, and have overpaid for many recently. But, the new regime has made intelligent decisions, and taking care of their own, hopefully, will add a more prudent approach than the moronic resignings of Maualuga and Peko. We can win without Bates. Bates needs to understand this. Thus, Bates should not get Top-5 Safety money. Top-10, yes. Top-5, no. Although, if he was to get the 5th most now, in two years, that could be 10th, and in four years, 15th-20th. That might be a fair contract. Bell could be signed for one-third that Bates is asking for. I'd rather take Bell, and keep the difference, offering the one-year tag for Bates, and then letting him walk. If Bates doesn't play, and the Bengals can pull the tag offer, too, if Bates wants to go that route, then our draftees get to start sooner than expected. There's just no reason to offer Bates more than $50M for four years ($20M gauranteed if he makes the roster each of the next two seasons). None, whatsoever.

Currently, according to Spotrac, these are the top-10 teams' monies allocated total to the Free Safety position for 2022: DEN: 1 player ($19M); SF: 2 players ($14M); NEP: 3 players ($11.2M); NOS: 3 players ($11.1M); PIT: 1 player ($10.6M); TEN: 2 players ($9.8M); CIN: 2 players ($8.5M) Since he hasn't signed the tag, that doesn't count Bates, so if Bates was given the tag amount, the Bengals would jump to #2 overall as far as position allocation.; MIN: 1 player ($7.4M); GBP: 1 player ($7.2M); HOU 2 players ($6.5M).

Free Safety simply isn't a position that deserves top money in the NFL. It's like TE's compared to Wide Receivers. CB's get the money because they have the highest skill set and are needed most to stop team's from scoring in this age of Super QB's and Super WR's. If Bates would have followed up his 2020 season with even an 80 PFF grade, then this would be a different conversation. But, his dropoff was steep. There could be a million reasons for it, but that gets handled in the negotiations. Bates needs to explain himself why he had an "average" season for a Free Safety last year. Which way is he trending? If not for the playoffs, Bates might not have even been offered the franchise tag.

Bates is someone the Bengals want to keep. But, they don't need him, especially if he holds out and makes it more about him than the team; or, if he has an inflated idea of his own value either to the team, or around the league. If what we offer isn't good enough, then "Thank you very much for your time here and good luck to you. We certainly will find ways to make good use of the money not spent on you that will get us equal value somewhere on the team."


https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/positional/free-safety/


Vonn Bell is overpaid. He's got to go when his contract expires unless he's willing to take a lot less than his last contract and I don't see that happening.

At $12.9M Bates is overpaid. That's $5M more than the 4th most Free Safety or Strong Safety and $5M more than Vonn Bell. We had a great draft and we needed to reign in the monies spent on both Safety positions as it is out of whack with Bates and Bell.

[KoryMac5]

Bell is worth the cash solely due to the hit he put on JuJu…

Last 2 seasons he has been in the low to mid seventies according to PFF at 6 million per season I will take what he brings to the table.

[Kingspoint]

Bell is worth the cash solely due to the hit he put on JuJu…

Last 2 seasons he has been in the low to mid seventies according to PFF at 6 million per season I will take what he brings to the table.

It's perfect right now to have him there while the young Safeties watch, learn and work their tails off to earn playing time. Hopefully, Bates plays here at least next season for the same reason, even at the $12M tag number.

[membengal]

https://youtu.be/s7aZQWo4QSw

[WVRed]

Just saw where Trae Waynes is unofficially retiring.

[Ohayou]

Ken Anderson and Ken Riley are 2 of 25 semifinalists for the Senior HoF selection. On July 27th, the list will be trimmed to 12, then 3 will be selected on August 16th.

Listed below are the remaining 25:


Ken Anderson, Maxie Baughan, Mark Clayton, Roger Craig, LaVern Dilweg, Randy Gradishar, Lester Hayes, Chris Hinton, Chuck Howley, Cecil Isbell, Joe Jacoby, Billie “White Shoes” Johnson, Mike Kenn, Joe Klecko, Bob Kuechenberg, George Kunz, Jim Marshall, Clay Matthews Jr., Eddie Meador, Stanley Morgan, Tommy Nobis, Ken Riley, Sterling Sharpe, Otis Taylor and Everson Walls.

[Todd Gack]

I love reading Bengals Twitter. I swear everyone things they're going 15-2 this year and winning the Super Bowl. Gonna be a fun year when Bengals fans realize that injuries to teams are actually a big deal.

[Tony Cloninger]

I love reading Bengals Twitter. I swear everyone things they're going 15-2 this year and winning the Super Bowl. Gonna be a fun year when Bengals fans realize that injuries to teams are actually a big deal.

You never have much good to say about this team even when their good so what exactly are you exactly expecting. Surprise that you would post something positive? Are you a Steelers or Ravens fan.

[RedsBaron]

Ken Anderson and Ken Riley are 2 of 25 semifinalists for the Senior HoF selection. On July 27th, the list will be trimmed to 12, then 3 will be selected on August 16th.

Listed below are the remaining 25:

I'm certainly no expert on who should be in pro football's Hall of Fame, but I have long believed that Ken Anderson was more deserving of that honor than his direct contemporary Dan Fouts, and Fouts has been in the HOF for decades.

[RiverRat13]

I love reading Bengals Twitter. I swear everyone things they're going 15-2 this year and winning the Super Bowl. Gonna be a fun year when Bengals fans realize that injuries to teams are actually a big deal.Dolphins Twitter thinks Tua will be better than Burrow and Herbert this year.

Browns Twitter thinks 30 women are lying about Deshaun Watson as part of a grand conspiracy and have made Josina Anderson their new queen because she's a Watson's camp mouthpiece.

Ravens Twitter believes their team has always dominated the Bengals despite the actual record being 27-25 in their franchise's history. They also believe Lamar will get back to his 2019 level.

Bills Twitter has already fitted their guys for rings.

Chiefs Twitter is convinced that losing Hill is a positive and that they will be cutting WRs who will start for other teams.


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[RiverRat13]

I'm certainly no expert on who should be in pro football's Hall of Fame, but I have long believed that Ken Anderson was more deserving of that honor than his direct contemporary Dan Fouts, and Fouts has been in the HOF for decades.Ken Riley had the interceptions but lacks the All-Pro and Pro Bowl appearances. This was before my time but someone on a podcast recently (maybe HTPG?) said that Lemar Parrish was the Bengals corner from that era who should be in the Hall of Fame before Riley. He said that Riley's interception count was in part because teams didn't want to throw at Parrish and the All-Pro and Pro Bowl appearances back that up. Parrish was traded to Washington before I was born so I can't really have an opinion but thought it was interesting.

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[Tony Cloninger]

Ken Riley had the interceptions but lacks the All-Pro and Pro Bowl appearances. This was before my time but someone on a podcast recently (maybe HTPG?) said that Lemar Parrish was the Bengals corner from that era who should be in the Hall of Fame before Riley. He said that Riley's interception count was in part because teams didn't want to throw at Parrish and the All-Pro and Pro Bowl appearances back that up. Parrish was traded to Washington before I was born so I can't really have an opinion but thought it was interesting.

If Roger Wherli is in the HOF. And he was good. Then Parrish should be as well. He’s not even mentioned though. That’s the thing. To not even be mentioned. Everson Walls is being considered. Pure Dallas hype only. He was mostly toast as a CB. Overrated. Too many players just become after thoughts while others easily get in. WR who played in the 2000s when they really started to not allow them to be touched. Your numbers better be like Cooper Kupp level.

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Good grief. How does my response get put into the quote I was replying too? Posting on your phone is completely frustrating

[KoryMac5]

Hobson had a piece on Leapin Lamar last season..in my opinion both he and Riley should get in.

https://www.bengals.com/news/leapin-lemar-s-hall-case-deion-before-deion

[moewan]

So the Bengals dropped a teaser today, look like were getting the white alternate helmet this season.

[Bob Sheed]

I would like to see the white stripes and the o.g. BENGALS orange helmet.

Can't I have both?

[membengal]

The voting from the season ticket holders for the two newest Ring of Honor were announced today and...Willie and Isaac Curtis. Genuinely surprised and happy that Curtis got the nod. 1970s childhood me was often Curtis catching passes from my brother's Ken Anderson. Curtis was, for anyone too young to know, absolutely a stunningly good receiver. Almost uncoverable in his early years. Should be in Canton in his own right. Well done to the voters.

[Sea Ray]

Not cool:

https://www.cincinnati.com/story/news/2022/07/20/cincinnati-bengals-may-sell-naming-rights-paul-brown-stadium/10105005002/

[membengal]

Counter-point - cool. They need cash for upcoming guarantees. That's a potential cash infusion.

[Kingspoint]

So last season, currently unsigned, future HOF Jason Peters ranked 22nd by PFF among all Tackles in the NFL, while missing only 2 games.

Peters has recently stated that he's staying in shape, would be willing to Start or mentor to younger players, and is ready to give it a go for another season.

https://twitter.com/SiriusXMNFL/status/1549798271337603072

So, here's a guy willing to do anything that just screams LG for the Bengals. Whoever is supposed to play LG can certainly prove they belong over him, but that's highly unlikely to happen. We already have one of our three Free Agent signings coming off of an injury. Rather than waiting for another injury to occur, why not sign Peters now and have him here for the entire training camp?

Are the Bengals right now not ready to go all-in to win a Super Bowl?

How would signing Peters be any different than the RAMS signing Von Miller?

Seems like a no-brainer.

Instead of having someone like Bates whining because he's not getting offered an amount of cash that would imbalance to future contracts of Burrow, Higgins, Chase, etc., why not use a small portion of that contract ($12M) and give it to Peters. Pretty certain Peters would come here for the Vet minimum in order to play on this O-Line for our O-Line Coach and this tremendous Offense and Defense.

I didn't look it up, but I'm not sure that our current LT was even the 22nd best Tackle overall in the NFL last season. If he was, then he was pretty much right around that mark, so we'd be adding a LG to play along our current LT who will probably be just as good as our LT next season.

[Reds Freak]

Counter-point - cool. They need cash for upcoming guarantees. That's a potential cash infusion.

I think it depends on the naming partner and if they can get it to not sound too corporate. Crosley, Wrigley, even GABP are good in my book. Something like Western & Southern Financial Field? Yuck.

[membengal]

Graeters Field at Paul Brown Stadium works fine….

[CaiGuy]

I was going to suggest Cincinnati Bell Stadium, but then I realized that would be mean something like altafiber field or something dumb like that (and literally in all lower caps), so never mind.

[Wonderful Monds]

If it’s [blah blah blah] Field at Paul Brown Stadium, doesn’t really bother me.

[CTA513]

the name is available now so: Heinz Field at Paul Brown Stadium

[Sea Ray]

Counter-point - cool. They need cash for upcoming guarantees. That's a potential cash infusion.

This won't affect their salary cap. That's their main issue with the coming contracts

[membengal]

I didn’t say salary cap. They need actual cash infusion to set aside for upcoming guarantees. Under nfl rules guaranteed money must be escrowed. They will need to be more liquid than they are often suspected to be. Naming rights helps with that.

[Bob Sheed]

Joe Burrow Stadium gets my vote.

[bucksfan2]

PBS is one of the last remaining professional sports arenas without a corporate name. I don't have an issue with it at all, and knowing how cheap Mike Brown can be, I am surprised it took them this long to sell the naming rights.

FWIW won't it be Paul Brown Field at XYZ Stadium?

[Roy Tucker]

Saw this in the newspaper: Graeter American Ball Park.

[Bob Sheed]

Saw this in the newspaper: Graeter American Ball Park.

It works on so many levels.

Hey Phil, I think I know where I'm gonna go now!

[Sea Ray]

Not great news...


Joe Burrow to undergo surgery to remove appendix, will miss some practice time, per report

https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/joe-burrow-to-undergo-surgery-to-remove-appendix-will-miss-some-practice-time-per-report/

[Chip R]

Not great news...


https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/joe-burrow-to-undergo-surgery-to-remove-appendix-will-miss-some-practice-time-per-report/

He'll be all right. I'm not even in 1/1,000,000 the shape he's in and when I had gall bladder surgery, except for some muscle pain in my abdomen, I was fine. And, better now than later in the season.

[Redsfaithful]

Great timing really. He'd have missed a week or two in the regular season. And if it happened during the playoffs an entire season would have been over because of an appendix.

[RiverRat13]

I will give him my appendix if he needs it.

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[Kingspoint]

This ensures that Burrow will not see any meaningless pre-season games, thankfully.

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Oh, and here's one fall-back option gone for the Bengals in case of another injury to the O-Line in the off-season....

From NBC Sports w/ NBC Sports' comments:

Bears signed OT Riley Reiff, formerly of the Bengals. Reiff suffered a late-season ankle injury in 2021 and missed the Bengals' postseason run. He's reportedly recovered from the injury and should start for the Bears as one of the league's most consistent run blockers. A health Reiff should be a positive development for David Montgomery, who in 2021 ran behind the tenth worst run-blocking unit in the NFL, per Pro Football Focus grades.

SOURCE: Adam Schefter on Twitter
Jul 26, 2022, 10:58 AM ET

[Tony Cloninger]

The Bengals could have signed 2 other OL that were available. One of them was a T with 81 starts for the Chargers and Panthers. 12 last year for the Chargers. I guess they trust Pollack to develop at least 1 OL that they have drafted in the last 2 years. Collins seems like an issue regarding lingering injuries and more enjoyment of the Cindy nightlife. I know vets hate TC but good luck trying to get these guys ready by opening day.

[membengal]

He got a 10 million dollar contract. They could never have paid that for a backup.

[Tony Cloninger]

He got a 10 million dollar contract. They could never have paid that for a backup.

Schofield got 10m? That is yes too much for what you expect as a back up. So do you trust any of these draftees to develop this year to help? They just seem to be lacking in even being backups. I don’t mean this year draftee of course. He’s a rookie. But if he could actually play LG better than Carmen can maybe Carmen will wake up and play better as a back up RT if he has to.

[Sea Ray]

Schofield got 10m? That is yes too much for what you expect as a back up. So do you trust any of these draftees to develop this year to help? They just seem to be lacking in even being backups. I don’t mean this year draftee of course. He’s a rookie. But if he could actually play LG better than Carmen can maybe Carmen will wake up and play better as a back up RT if he has to.


The Chicago Bears bolstered their offensive line by signing veteran offensive tackle Riley Reiff, general manager Ryan Poles announced Tuesday. It's a one-year deal worth up to $12.5 million, per ESPN.

https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/bears-sign-riley-reiff-veteran-ot-reportedly-gets-one-year-deal-worth-up-to-12-5-million/#:~:text=NFL%20Free%20Agents-,Bears%20sign%20Riley%20Reiff%3A%20Veteran%20OT%20 reportedly%20gets%20one%2Dyear,worth%20up%20to%20% 2412.5%20million&text=The%20Chicago%20Bears%20bolstered%20their,to% 20%2412.5%20million%2C%20per%20ESPN.

[membengal]

Reiff got $10 million.

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I expect that the experience that Prince, Adeniji and Carman got last year will be important. I expect d’ante smith to push Prince. I am a huge optimist about Volson. I think our depth is fine because it is guys who actually played important minutes last year for a super bowl team who are now backups.

[Kingspoint]

The Bengals could have signed 2 other OL that were available. One of them was a T with 81 starts for the Chargers and Panthers. 12 last year for the Chargers. I guess they trust Pollack to develop at least 1 OL that they have drafted in the last 2 years. Collins seems like an issue regarding lingering injuries and more enjoyment of the Cindy nightlife. I know vets hate TC but good luck trying to get these guys ready by opening day.

Starting for the Chargers last year was like starting for the Bengals last year. They sucked big time.

The Bengals' off-season signings were the best they have ever done based on need, quality, volume and total impact on the team.

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The issue isn't whether or not Pollack has to develop one player, it's if he has to develop two to start too many games because of injuries to our four best O-Linemen. The dropoff from the top-four to #5 is a very steep descent.

[wolfboy]

Starting for the Chargers last year was like starting for the Bengals last year. They sucked big time.

The Bengals' off-season signings were the best they have ever done based on need, quality, volume and total impact on the team.

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The issue isn't whether or not Pollack has to develop one player, it's if he has to develop two to start too many games because of injuries to our four best O-Linemen. The dropoff from the top-four to #5 is a very steep descent.

I do think a Quinton Spain, Trey Hopkins or Daryl Williams could really bolster the room. The group looks great until the injury bug bites.

[Tony Cloninger]

Starting for the Chargers last year was like starting for the Bengals last year. They sucked big time.

The Bengals' off-season signings were the best they have ever done based on need, quality, volume and total impact on the team.

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The issue isn't whether or not Pollack has to develop one player, it's if he has to develop two to start too many games because of injuries to our four best O-Linemen. The dropoff from the top-four to #5 is a very steep descent.

Well it’s been an issue off and on and mostly bad on since after 1989 where it just lingers. Basically that issue lingered from 1990 until 1995-96. Before they have to patch it up quickly. Almost the same as the Reds pitching development has been for many years.

[RiverRat13]

Ja'marr's GQ spread: https://www.gq.com/story/ja-marr-chase-profile

His teammates' reaction: https://www.bengals.com/photos/ja-marr-chase-gq-photo-shoot-evan-mcpherson-sam-hubbard-mike-hilton#99bf4fc7-8563-4167-925a-35248e3d2596

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[Ohayou]

Ken Anderson and Ken Riley are 2 of 25 semifinalists for the Senior HoF selection. On July 27th, the list will be trimmed to 12, then 3 will be selected on August 16th.

Listed below are the remaining 25:

Update:

They both advanced.


The other ten finalists:

Maxie Baughan: Linebacker for the Eagles (1960-65), the Rams (1966-1970) and Washington (1974) while going to nine Pro Bowls.
Randy Gradishar: Linebacker who played all 10 seasons (1974-83) in Denver while going to seven Pro Bowls.
Chuck Howley: Linebacker named to six Pro Bowls and five first-team All-Pros while playing for the Bears (1958-59) and Cowboys (1961-1973).
Cecil Isbell: Tailback for five years with the pre-war Packers (1938-1942) and went to four Pro Bowls.
Joe Klecko: Played up and down the defensive line for the Jets' "New York Sack Exchange," (1977-88) and went to four Pro Bowls and named to two first-team All-Pros.
Bob Kuechenberg: Guard and tackle who played all 14 seasons (1970-84) with the Dolphins in a run that included the 1972 undefeateds.
Eddie Meador: Cornerback and member of the NFL's All-Decade Team of the 1960s who finished his 12-year career (1959-70) with a Rams-record 46 interceptions.
Tommy Nobis: Linebacker who was the first player in Falcons history and spent his entire career (1966-76) in Atlanta while named the NFL Rookie of the Year, a five-time Pro Bowler and an All-Decade player of the 1960s.
Sterling Sharpe: Wide receiver who spent seven seasons (1988-94) with the Packers going to five Pro Bowls and three first-team All-Pro teams.
Everson Walls: Cornerback who played 13 seasons (1981-93) with the Cowboys, Giants and Browns and led the NFL in interceptions three times while going to four Pro Bowls and being named to three All-Pro teams in amassing 57 interceptions.

https://www.bengals.com/news/ken-anderson-ken-riley-hall-of-fame-voting-2022

[Tony Cloninger]

Harold Jackson gets massively short changed in this process. Like Lemar Parrish.

Drafted in about the 15th round. Five foot Ten. Played from 1969-1983. 1000 yards receiving in a time that getting 800 was a great year. Just disappeared like Parrish. He didn’t play in a SB but played in several playoff games. Was great with the Rams and Patriots. Teams that ran the ball about 75% of the time.

[Sea Ray]

They've picked a name...Paycor Stadium


This morning our team is announcing a stadium naming rights partnership with Cincinnati-based Paycor and we want our great fans to hear the news directly. The home of the Cincinnati Bengals is now Paycor Stadium. While our home stadium will take on a new name, the legacy of Paul Brown, one of football’s most influential coaches and founder of the Bengals, will live on forever.

The Bengals are proud of the commitment this strategic partnership demonstrates to continue competing for championships in Cincinnati.

Bengals President Mike Brown said: “This is a move that I think my father would have agreed to. He was always for what is best for the football team. This partnership allows the Bengals to continue to compete at the highest level in the NFL and exemplifies our long-term commitment to the community.”

Executive Vice President Katie Blackburn said: “It was important to find a naming rights partner that strongly aligns with the Bengals brand. Paycor is a local company on the rise that shares our commitment to building winning teams. We are proud to support Paycor’s growth and strengthen the Cincinnati business community with this partnership.”


Yippee

[CaiGuy]

Paycor Stadium





Yawn.

[plantmanky]

Yawn.

Who did you want it to be. Krogers was out because they sponsor UK football field.

[RiverRat13]

It should be called PayJoe Stadium.