UK Basketball 2022-2023: Can’t Get Much Worse

[WVRed]

Figured it was time for a new thread since the season is over.

Watched the McDonalds All American game last night and I think if Cal makes any changes we will know it by how he utilizes Chris Livingston.

Livingston is 6’6 but he has the game to be able to post up and be utilized as a 4 in a modern style offense. He had 13 points and a couple of threes with six rebounds and 5 assists. He was 1 of 7 from the free throw line though.

Cason Wallace had an off night but finished with 7 points five rebounds and six assists.

The positive though is that both were tenacious on defense even for a high school all star exhibition.

For those following staying or going plus transfer portal options here’s a link through KSR:

Kentucky Basketball 2022-23 Roster Tracker: New Transfer Portal Options

https://www.on3.com/teams/kentucky-wildcats/news/kentucky-basketball-2022-23-roster-tracker-new-transfer-portal-options/

[cumberlandreds]

Now its the waiting game season to see who stays and who goes. I hate this part but its the way things are now and not a thing I can do about it.

[WVRed]

Now its the waiting game season to see who stays and who goes. I hate this part but its the way things are now and not a thing I can do about it.

My guess is the following:

Gone:
TyTy
Sharpe
Oscar (50/50)
Allen (already in portal)
Brooks
Hopkins
Wheeler (depending on who comes in the portal)

[cumberlandreds]

My guess is the following:

Gone:
TyTy
Sharpe
Oscar (50/50)
Allen (already in portal)
Brooks
Hopkins
Wheeler (depending on who comes in the portal)

Those are probably good guesses. One thing I'm not sure about is how many times can you transfer? Can you conceivably after every season or is it just a one time thing with having not to sit out any? I have heard it both ways so I don't know.

[WVRed]

Those are probably good guesses. One thing I'm not sure about is how many times can you transfer? Can you conceivably after every season or is it just a one time thing with having not to sit out any? I have heard it both ways so I don't know.

My understanding is if a coach leaves or sanctions are coming you can leave and nothing happens. Case in point Shareef O’Neal. He transferred from UCLA to LSU and since Will Wade is gone he’s transferring again.

I think anything else it’s one time free jump and anything else you have to sit out a year.

[cumberlandreds]

My understanding is if a coach leaves or sanctions are coming you can leave and nothing happens. Case in point Shareef O’Neal. He transferred from UCLA to LSU and since Will Wade is gone he’s transferring again.

I think anything else it’s one time free jump and anything else you have to sit out a year.

Thanks. In that case I doubt Wheeler leaves. But the others on your list is a good chance they leave by either transferring or going pro.

[WVRed]

Two teams Kentucky blew out earlier in the season are now playing on Monday night.

[cumberlandreds]

Two teams Kentucky blew out earlier in the season are now playing on Monday night.

Oh! What could have been.

[RedTeamGo!]

Two teams Kentucky blew out earlier in the season are now playing on Monday night.

Dayton beat Kansas as well, haha

[WVRed]

Johni Broome from Morehead State entered the transfer portal and could be an option of Oscar goes pro.

[cumberlandreds]

Keon Brooks throws his hat into the draft ring. But does not hire an agent. I can't believe he would be very high on the draft boards.

[Bourgeois Zee]

So Shaedon Sharpe's almost certainly gone. His "camp" has repeatedly professed that they're dedicated to playing a year in Kentucky, but if he's a top five pick, he has to go. (Really questioning why Calipari didn't play that top five pick at all last season, but that ship sailed.) There's too much money at stake-- even with the promise of somewhere around a million (or perhaps more) in NIL money.

TyTy Washington probably is too. He's been projected as a one-and-done since signing, basically. That said, his second half didn't do him many favors in terms of draft position. Right now, Washington's 16th in the NBA Draft Room mock draft. He's 10th in NBC Sports mock up and 11th in NBA Draft.net. If he has a lottery pick promise, it makes sense for Washington to bolt.

Brooks wants to go, I'm sure. Were I he, I'd put my name in the draft and hope to get a second round promise. If not, I'd really consider transferring to a place to be the primary scorer rather than play as a piece in Kentucky. That might force him into a more aggressive frame of mind (and much better numbers). Regardless, I think he's done at UK too.

Sahvir Wheeler is probably in the same spot. He wants to go make money, but isn't going to be drafted. Were he to return, I'm guessing he has a starting spot sewn up. Wheeler might be thinking about playing overseas, but the Ukraine War might limit his opportunities a bit. No Russian teams means those teams can be a bit more choosy, and a waterbug who can't shoot very well and turns it over too much might not be a great gamble. I'm guessing he stays.

CJ Fredrick comes back healthy, and he's a sneaky good add. (They certainly could have used him last season. Another guy who was probably ready to play by the end of the year that Calipari decided against using because *reasons*.) He's a deadeye shooter and underrated tertiary ball handler. As a combo guard, he's going to be a good wing shooter and will be fine as a defender. (He'll be asked to defend the third-best shooter on other teams, but Kentucky will almost assuredly switch everything.) Like that he knows the system (such as it is) and would be a veteran player. I'd pencil him in as a starter in Washington's spot, but Calipari will probably push him to a 6th man role.

Damion Collins is staying. He's a condor. Kid needs to get in the weight room. With minutes and girth, he'll be a shot-blocking defensive force capable of shooting out to 15 feet. If he slacks off over the summer, he's still a solid contributor capable of 15 - 25 mpg off the bench. I really like him as a center in a five-out offense, but Calipari just embraced the four-out offense last year, so asking him to go five-out seems like a step too far. As a PF, he can play off Tshiebwe defensively, for sure. Offensively, both would have to really embrace shooting from distance.

If Collins is the starting PF, that puts Jacob Toppin in a bit of a pickle. He's ready to showcase his skills now. He just needs to opportunity, and with transfer rules what they are, he can absolutely find that just about anywhere. If everybody comes back, Toppin will again play second or third fiddle in the frontcourt. If Brooks leaves, Toppin becomes an erstwhile starter-- unless Collins makes the sophomore leap. If Tshiebwe comes back, I think Toppin leaves for greener pastures. If Tshiebwe leaves, I think Toppin and Collins tag-team the frontcourt as PF on the floor at the same time. (That athleticism would be a sight to behold.)

Bryce Hopkins is probably gone. He got stuck behind better, veteran players last year and couldn't shed enough weight to play the wing. If he does come back, he's another PF, but one with a solid three-point stroke and ball handling ability. For Calipari, that means he's a small forward. (Sigh.) That said, I'm guessing he's gone-- too much playing time available elsewhere.

Lance Ware is probably back-- unless he wants to play a bunch. A move to a lesser program might be in the offing. Kid might end up a double-double at Long Beach State or a place of that ilk. That's got to be enticing.

So the big decision is Tshiebwe's. He's the Player of the Year and a modern-day Wes Unseld. Right now, he's a mid-2nd rounder. That would seem to make his decision quite easy: stick around, reap the benefits of the NIL, earn a million bucks or so, and try to extend your range/ show off your ball handling. (Calipari's capable of doing just that with a big, fwiw. PJ Washington and Terrence Jones both came back and showed specific skills.) His issue, however, is one of opportunity and compliance. As an immigrant, he can't earn as much as a naturalized citizen. I'm guessing he still stays, and they find a way to get him paid. A second POTY award might well be enough to get him first round money next year. (Or at least another All-American season.)

Cason Wallace and Chris Livingston are probably going to start, Wallace at the PG spot and Livingston at the wing. Starting two freshmen would seem to be good news for Calipari and company-- that's far less than is normal. Too, with multiple guys coming back, they should have a solid nucleus of experience on which to draw. Both kids have shown a penchant for defense. That bodes well for early playing time. They're also big. Wallace is 6'4" and Livingston is 6'6".

If I had to guess, then, the 2022-2023 Kentucky roster before transfer additions would be:

C Tshiebwe/ Ware
PF Collins/ Toppin
SF Livingston
2G Wallace/ Fredrick
PG Wheeler

They're going to need some backup bodies, particularly in the backcourt. At least three of them, IMO.

[WVRed]

So Shaedon Sharpe's almost certainly gone. His "camp" has repeatedly professed that they're dedicated to playing a year in Kentucky, but if he's a top five pick, he has to go. (Really questioning why Calipari didn't play that top five pick at all last season, but that ship sailed.) There's too much money at stake-- even with the promise of somewhere around a million (or perhaps more) in NIL money.

TyTy Washington probably is too. He's been projected as a one-and-done since signing, basically. That said, his second half didn't do him many favors in terms of draft position. Right now, Washington's 16th in the NBA Draft Room mock draft. He's 10th in NBC Sports mock up and 11th in NBA Draft.net. If he has a lottery pick promise, it makes sense for Washington to bolt.

Brooks wants to go, I'm sure. Were I he, I'd put my name in the draft and hope to get a second round promise. If not, I'd really consider transferring to a place to be the primary scorer rather than play as a piece in Kentucky. That might force him into a more aggressive frame of mind (and much better numbers). Regardless, I think he's done at UK too.

Sahvir Wheeler is probably in the same spot. He wants to go make money, but isn't going to be drafted. Were he to return, I'm guessing he has a starting spot sewn up. Wheeler might be thinking about playing overseas, but the Ukraine War might limit his opportunities a bit. No Russian teams means those teams can be a bit more choosy, and a waterbug who can't shoot very well and turns it over too much might not be a great gamble. I'm guessing he stays.

CJ Fredrick comes back healthy, and he's a sneaky good add. (They certainly could have used him last season. Another guy who was probably ready to play by the end of the year that Calipari decided against using because *reasons*.) He's a deadeye shooter and underrated tertiary ball handler. As a combo guard, he's going to be a good wing shooter and will be fine as a defender. (He'll be asked to defend the third-best shooter on other teams, but Kentucky will almost assuredly switch everything.) Like that he knows the system (such as it is) and would be a veteran player. I'd pencil him in as a starter in Washington's spot, but Calipari will probably push him to a 6th man role.

Damion Collins is staying. He's a condor. Kid needs to get in the weight room. With minutes and girth, he'll be a shot-blocking defensive force capable of shooting out to 15 feet. If he slacks off over the summer, he's still a solid contributor capable of 15 - 25 mpg off the bench. I really like him as a center in a five-out offense, but Calipari just embraced the four-out offense last year, so asking him to go five-out seems like a step too far. As a PF, he can play off Tshiebwe defensively, for sure. Offensively, both would have to really embrace shooting from distance.

If Collins is the starting PF, that puts Jacob Toppin in a bit of a pickle. He's ready to showcase his skills now. He just needs to opportunity, and with transfer rules what they are, he can absolutely find that just about anywhere. If everybody comes back, Toppin will again play second or third fiddle in the frontcourt. If Brooks leaves, Toppin becomes an erstwhile starter-- unless Collins makes the sophomore leap. If Tshiebwe comes back, I think Toppin leaves for greener pastures. If Tshiebwe leaves, I think Toppin and Collins tag-team the frontcourt as PF on the floor at the same time. (That athleticism would be a sight to behold.)

Bryce Hopkins is probably gone. He got stuck behind better, veteran players last year and couldn't shed enough weight to play the wing. If he does come back, he's another PF, but one with a solid three-point stroke and ball handling ability. For Calipari, that means he's a small forward. (Sigh.) That said, I'm guessing he's gone-- too much playing time available elsewhere.

Lance Ware is probably back-- unless he wants to play a bunch. A move to a lesser program might be in the offing. Kid might end up a double-double at Long Beach State or a place of that ilk. That's got to be enticing.

So the big decision is Tshiebwe's. He's the Player of the Year and a modern-day Wes Unseld. Right now, he's a mid-2nd rounder. That would seem to make his decision quite easy: stick around, reap the benefits of the NIL, earn a million bucks or so, and try to extend your range/ show off your ball handling. (Calipari's capable of doing just that with a big, fwiw. PJ Washington and Terrence Jones both came back and showed specific skills.) His issue, however, is one of opportunity and compliance. As an immigrant, he can't earn as much as a naturalized citizen. I'm guessing he still stays, and they find a way to get him paid. A second POTY award might well be enough to get him first round money next year. (Or at least another All-American season.)

Cason Wallace and Chris Livingston are probably going to start, Wallace at the PG spot and Livingston at the wing. Starting two freshmen would seem to be good news for Calipari and company-- that's far less than is normal. Too, with multiple guys coming back, they should have a solid nucleus of experience on which to draw. Both kids have shown a penchant for defense. That bodes well for early playing time. They're also big. Wallace is 6'4" and Livingston is 6'6".

If I had to guess, then, the 2022-2023 Kentucky roster before transfer additions would be:

C Tshiebwe/ Ware
PF Collins/ Toppin
SF Livingston
2G Wallace/ Fredrick
PG Wheeler

They're going to need some backup bodies, particularly in the backcourt. At least three of them, IMO.

I saw this floated by KSR in the live chat during the McDonalds All American Game and I agree with it:

If Cal really wants to change (he won’t), move Livingston to the 4 spot. He’s a modern day 4 who can space defenses on the perimeter and post up if needed. But in typical Cal fashion he will clog the lane with two bigs with Collins or Oscar/Broome if Oscar leaves.

I’m worried about perimeter defense and overall three point shooting in general. We haven’t seen anything out of Frederick to make that determination although Wallace looked a LOT better defensively than anything UK had last year.

Cal needs to make changes. I don’t see it happening and I see him and others excusing away the loss to St Peters.

[Bourgeois Zee]

I saw this floated by KSR in the live chat during the McDonalds All American Game and I agree with it:

If Cal really wants to change (he won’t), move Livingston to the 4 spot. He’s a modern day 4 who can space defenses on the perimeter and post up if needed.

I'm fine with Livingston at the four. I like Toppin there too. (Late in the season, he trusted in his corner three a bit more, and the result were encouraging.)

I'm less happy with Collins there (unless he develops a three-point shot a la PJ Washington). Collins belongs at center in a college game.

[WVRed]

I'm fine with Livingston at the four. I like Toppin there too. (Late in the season, he trusted in his corner three a bit more, and the result were encouraging.)

I'm less happy with Collins there (unless he develops a three-point shot a la PJ Washington). Collins belongs at center in a college game.

But as you have said in the past and I agree with you, Cal will always go back to what he’s comfortable with.

Just read where Kentucky has reached out to Broome as well.

[WVRed]

Oscar just won the Wooden award making him the first ever unanimous player of the year in Kentucky basketball history.

[Assembly Hall]

Keon Brooks throws his hat into the draft ring. But does not hire an agent. I can't believe he would be very high on the draft boards.

I must say that I am very disappointed in how KBJ's career has been at UK. Draft boards?

[cumberlandreds]

I must say that I am very disappointed in how KBJ's career has been at UK. Draft boards?

He has been very inconsistent. About half the games he just doesn't seem into it at all. But when he is fully engaged he's terrific. Kansas game is a prime example of that. I have no idea where he projects in the NBA draft. I don't keep up with that and could care less. I'll let others answer that one.

[WVRed]

I must say that I am very disappointed in how KBJ's career has been at UK. Draft boards?

From what I’ve seen not even projected to be drafted. I’m honestly surprised he hasn’t entered the portal yet but I’m betting that’s coming.

Same goes for Bryce Hopkins.

[WVRed]

Not a surprise but TyTy is going pro and signed with an agent.

Now for Oscar and Sharpe.

[Big Red Smokey]

Brooks is a junior. May as well declare to get feedback. I wonder if he'll finally transfer to IU.

Either way, I'm about as down on the program as I've been since 08-09. Facebook memories isn't helping as 8 years ago I was in Dallas at the National Title game and a couple days prior Indy in 2015.

[WVRed]

Hopkins in the portal. No surprise there. Illinois, DePaul, Louisville, and Providence listed as possibilities.

Kentucky has also reached out to Norchad Omier from Arkansas State as a replacement. He won the Sun Belt POTY and defensive player of the year.

https://www.on3.com/teams/kentucky-wildcats/news/kentucky-making-strong-push-for-arkansas-states-norchad-omier/

[Bourgeois Zee]

Hopkins in the portal. No surprise there. Illinois, DePaul, Louisville, and Providence listed as possibilities.

Kentucky has also reached out to Norchad Omier from Arkansas State as a replacement. He won the Sun Belt POTY and defensive player of the year.

https://www.on3.com/teams/kentucky-wildcats/news/kentucky-making-strong-push-for-arkansas-states-norchad-omier/

Omier is a 6'7" tweener PF who can't shoot from three.

He's definitely a Coach Cal type.

[UKWhoDey]

Sick and tired of Cal. Don't even want to think about St Pete. Thank goodness baseball season is here.

[WVRed]

Just putting this out but if Cal ever leaves I want Eric Musselman.

[Assembly Hall]

Just putting this out but if Cal ever leaves I want Eric Musselman.

Be careful what you wish for.

[cumberlandreds]

Just putting this out but if Cal ever leaves I want Eric Musselman.

I have no idea who would be best suited for the job. I do know they had better be able to handle the media and not run from them like BCG did. Also had better know how to schmooze with big dollar alumni. Not to mention recruit better than anyone else in the country. Not an easy job and very, very few are suited for it. The next coach will most likely be a big, big step down from what Cal has done overall at UK.

[WVRed]

Be careful what you wish for.


I have no idea who would be best suited for the job. I do know they had better be able to handle the media and not run from them like BCG did. Also had better know how to schmooze with big dollar alumni. Not to mention recruit better than anyone else in the country. Not an easy job and very, very few are suited for it. The next coach will most likely be a big, big step down from what Cal has done overall at UK.

I’m not seeing that.

He can recruit top high school and transfer portal talent to Fayetteville and gets the most out of them. He is charismatic but doesn’t strike me as dismissive of fans like Cal is. Also has a NBA pedigree and connections.

Arkansas is preseason top 3 and possibly no 1 and Musselman is starting to beat Cal at his own game.

[cumberlandreds]

I’m not seeing that.

He can recruit top high school and transfer portal talent to Fayetteville and gets the most out of them. He is charismatic but doesn’t strike me as dismissive of fans like Cal is. Also has a NBA pedigree and connections.

Arkansas is preseason top 3 and possibly no 1 and Musselman is starting to beat Cal at his own game.

Wouldn't be the first time UK plucked a coach from Arkansas. He could be the one. But like I said I don't really know.

[WVRed]

Looking more and more like Oscar will be back next season. That’s more impactful than any incoming recruit.

[Bourgeois Zee]

If Tshiebwe comes back, UK should be a top 10 pre-season team.

Tshiebwe, Toppin, Collins, Fredrick, Wallace, Livingston is a solid six. They'll need either a combo guard or a PG and another wing, for sure. Wheeler and a deadeye shooter would be ideal, but that wing shooter better be good.

[cumberlandreds]

Looking more and more like Oscar will be back next season. That’s more impactful than any incoming recruit.

What I have read is that he is going to go through the process without hiring an agent and then decide. Have you seen something different? I hope he comes back because he is probably the difference is having a great season and being mediocre.

[WVRed]

What I have read is that he is going to go through the process without hiring an agent and then decide. Have you seen something different? I hope he comes back because he is probably the difference is having a great season and being mediocre.

Buzz building for Oscar Tshiebwe’s return to Kentucky

https://www.on3.com/teams/kentucky-wildcats/news/oscar-tshiebwe-buzz-building-return-to-kentucky-senior-season/

[cumberlandreds]

Toppin is throwing his hat into the draft ring but not hiring an agent. Not really a surprise I guess.

https://247sports.com/college/kentucky/Article/jacob-toppin-kentucky-basketball-nba-draft-decision-186099495/?utm_source=247Sports%2520Newsletter&utm_medium=Newsletter&utm_campaign=220412_111154_KentuckyWildcats&utm_content=Link&eid=2a5e24232c69a9cb33d517ee38debcf8854e4986cbdb32 adaf48b8d15a276120

[cumberlandreds]

D. Allen transferring to WKU. Probably a good fit for him.

[WVRed]

D. Allen transferring to WKU. Probably a good fit for him.

Looks like Huggins wasn’t able to seal the deal. Probably better NIL opportunities for him staying in state.

[cumberlandreds]

Oscar is returning! Best sports news I have heard in quite a while.

https://247sports.com/college/kentucky/Article/oscar-tshiebwe-returning-to-kentucky--186486309/?utm_source=247Sports%2520Newsletter&utm_medium=Newsletter&utm_campaign=220420_122224_KentuckyWildcats&utm_content=Link&eid=2a5e24232c69a9cb33d517ee38debcf8854e4986cbdb32 adaf48b8d15a276120

[Sea Ray]

Oscar is returning! Best sports news I have heard in quite a while.

https://247sports.com/college/kentucky/Article/oscar-tshiebwe-returning-to-kentucky--186486309/?utm_source=247Sports%2520Newsletter&utm_medium=Newsletter&utm_campaign=220420_122224_KentuckyWildcats&utm_content=Link&eid=2a5e24232c69a9cb33d517ee38debcf8854e4986cbdb32 adaf48b8d15a276120

That is good news. Any word on an NIL deal?

[cumberlandreds]

That is good news. Any word on an NIL deal?


Below is what was in the article about his NIL.

Tshiebwe recently introduced a new line of merchandise through Kentucky Branded at oscar34.com, where you can buy various shirts, hoodies, sweatpants, and even coffee mugs bearing Tshiebwe's likeness.

[Sea Ray]

Below is what was in the article about his NIL.

Tshiebwe recently introduced a new line of merchandise through Kentucky Branded at oscar34.com, where you can buy various shirts, hoodies, sweatpants, and even coffee mugs bearing Tshiebwe's likeness.

I like it. That's sounds like he's directly profiting from his name, image and likeness. That beats someone just writing him a check

[Big Red Smokey]

Late night rumors stating Sharpe is ineligible for 2022 draft

[UKFlounder]

Now, Sharon is in the draft and staying in.

He snd his people are liars.

[WVRed]

Late night rumors stating Sharpe is ineligible for 2022 draft

He gone:

Shaedon Sharpe will reportedly declare for NBA Draft, stay in

https://www.on3.com/teams/kentucky-wildcats/news/shaedon-sharpe-will-reportedly-declare-for-nba-draft-stay-in/

Not a surprise but this is why the current model is broken.

[WVRed]

Now, Sharon is in the draft and staying in.

He snd his people are liars.

I don’t think at the time they knew that he would be eligible for the draft. Unlike Oscar he projects as a top 10 draft pick so he will make more money through the NBA than staying in Lexington.

It looks bad and Kentucky fans have every right to be pissed. Cal letting a kid use UK facilities without ever suiting up will only add to the fire.

[UKFlounder]

They knew.


Jonathan Givony:

A representative of Shaedon Sharpe's high school, Dream City Christian, confirmed to ESPN he graduated in May of 2021. His diploma will be sent to the NBA league office, clearing the way for him to be added to the NBA Draft early-entry list. From January:

[cumberlandreds]

Cal got used and deserves all the heat he will get for it. He should have stayed away from this kid because he had to know there was next to no chance he would ever play at UK unless he did in that 2nd semester last season. For whatever reason Cal wouldn't play him. He was burned badly with this.

[WVRed]

Cal got used and deserves all the heat he will get for it. He should have stayed away from this kid because he had to know there was next to no chance he would ever play at UK unless he did in that 2nd semester last season. For whatever reason Cal wouldn't play him. He was burned badly with this.

Going to be really curious to see him Calsplain this one away.

[cumberlandreds]

Going to be really curious to see him Calsplain this one away.

"It's about the kids and what we can do for this kids. We helped fullfill his dream and that's what is all about." Or some other BS like that.

[Bourgeois Zee]

Cal got used and deserves all the heat he will get for it. He should have stayed away from this kid because he had to know there was next to no chance he would ever play at UK unless he did in that 2nd semester last season. For whatever reason Cal wouldn't play him. He was burned badly with this.

Calipari wasn't burned.

He chose not to play an eligible player who most of us believed would have helped the team win.

You can't blame the kid for that.

[cumberlandreds]

Calipari wasn't burned.

He chose not to play an eligible player who most of us believed would have helped the team win.

You can't blame the kid for that.

Cal knew all along he was never going to play him this past season. He was just toying with the fans. He also knew it was highly unlikely Sharpe would never play at UK but took a huge risk anyway. He was burned by making that decision. The only way he can ever live this down with the fans is go out an win a national championship next season.

[WVRed]

He’s now entering the draft but not hiring an agent which means he can come back if he chooses.

Either bad information got put out or his camp is doing a LOT of damage control.

[WVRed]

https://www.on3.com/teams/kentucky-wildcats/news/kentucky-basketball-has-a-trust-problem-john-calipari-shaedon-sharpe/?fbclid=IwAR1sQgEfMW8t45kOZlYAt873AaL2Awnb9AxMWRKS qNA_NwqMlzB7_Rjb0xo

Best article I’ve read on KSR describing the fans relationship with Calipari right now.

[cumberlandreds]

Good article. I think its just been a wearing away of the fans. I think most don't really like the one and done but while it was winning it was fine. Now the winning has stopped and Cal isn't in heaven any longer. Even though he tried the transfer approach last season, it still didn't work and now he is behind the 8 ball with the fans. With Oscar coming back, they are going to have to go real deep, Final Four deep, this next season or there will be avalanche like Cal has not seen before.

[WVRed]

Good article. I think its just been a wearing away of the fans. I think most don't really like the one and done but while it was winning it was fine. Now the winning has stopped and Cal isn't in heaven any longer. Even though he tried the transfer approach last season, it still didn't work and now he is behind the 8 ball with the fans. With Oscar coming back, they are going to have to go real deep, Final Four deep, this next season or there will be avalanche like Cal has not seen before.

I honestly don’t think he cares what that fans think and he has million$ of reasons not to. He’s been laying low since the St Peters game because all of the heat has been on him from the media. I think the avalanche will happen if Shaedon Sharpe goes pro (and he likely will).

[cumberlandreds]

I honestly don’t think he cares what that fans think and he has million$ of reasons not to. He’s been laying low since the St Peters game because all of the heat has been on him from the media. I think the avalanche will happen if Shaedon Sharpe goes pro (and he likely will).

That and Wagner goes to UL. No Cal doesn't care and if I were as rich I probably wouldn't either. The Sharpe and Wagner decisions and how the team fares next season will be the tipping point of his entire tenure at UK. If everything goes the wrong way then things will not be pretty.

[WVRed]

Keep an eye on Baylor Scheierman. 6’6 guard from South Dakota State who just entered the portal.

Antonio Reeves looked like a lock to commit before Scheierman entered the portal yesterday. With Sharpe possibly (likely) leaving getting the Summit League Player of the Year would go a long ways.

[cumberlandreds]

Keep an eye on Baylor Scheierman. 6’6 guard from South Dakota State who just entered the portal.

Antonio Reeves looked like a lock to commit before Scheierman entered the portal yesterday. With Sharpe possibly (likely) leaving getting the Summit League Player of the Year would go a long ways.

If either or both can shoot the three I'll take them. IMO they need to put the four best three point shooters on the floor with Oscar and let it go with that. That's kinda what Villanova has done in recent years and its worked well for them.

[WVRed]

If either or both can shoot the three I'll take them. IMO they need to put the four best three point shooters on the floor with Oscar and let it go with that. That's kinda what Villanova has done in recent years and its worked well for them.

Scheierman looks like the better player.

Problem is outside of Fredrick who right now would be coming off the bench I don’t see a three point shooter on this team next year.

[cumberlandreds]

Scheierman looks like the better player.

Problem is outside of Fredrick who right now would be coming off the bench I don’t see a three point shooter on this team next year.

That's the reason he needs to get shooters in. Without a good corps of three point shooters then its going to be more of the same.

[WVRed]

That's the reason he needs to get shooters in. Without a good corps of three point shooters then its going to be more of the same.

As long as they can defend.

That’s what killed them against Saint Peters. Grady and Mintz forgot how to guard the perimeter.

3 point shooting overall has been a troubling trend under Calipari. We haven’t had anyone consistent since Jamal Murray.

Oregon is in on Antonio Reeves now and can offer significant NIL money and playing time. If Scheierman is the guy Cal better lock him up quick.

[WVRed]

Kentucky just picked up Reeves. So much for holding off on committing.

[cumberlandreds]

Kentucky just picked up Reeves. So much for holding off on committing.

Seems like a good shooter and that's what they need. I guess this will rule out the South Dakota kid?

[Bourgeois Zee]

Seems like a good shooter and that's what they need. I guess this will rule out the South Dakota kid?

Probably.

And I'm fine with that.

Grab the shooter who likes you, and figure it out later.

[WVRed]

Probably.

And I'm fine with that.

Grab the shooter who likes you, and figure it out later.

I’m starting to agree with that.

Cal has been burned by putting all of his chips into one basket. Going so hard after Derrick Lively that the fallback option, Adem Bona, was pushed away to UCLA. If Sharpe goes pro then Nick Smith will be part of that conversation as well.

At this point a bird in the hand is better than two in the bush.

[Bourgeois Zee]

Cal has been burned by putting all of his chips into one basket. Going so hard after Derrick Lively that the fallback option, Adem Bona, was pushed away to UCLA. If Sharpe goes pro then Nick Smith will be part of that conversation as well.

Turns out, they likely wouldn't have got either. Had Tshiebwe returned, any big-time center prospect would have, IMO, asked out of his LOI.

Better by far to have Tshiebwe.

[WVRed]

Turns out, they likely wouldn't have got either. Had Tshiebwe returned, any big-time center prospect would have, IMO, asked out of his LOI.

Better by far to have Tshiebwe.

Forgot to include that it all worked out due to Oscar coming back.

If they had gotten either I’d think Oscar would have went pro. Him coming back this year was beneficial both to him and UK.

[WVRed]

Jai Lucas leaves Kentucky for Duke.

Leaving Calipari to coach under a first time coach in Jon Scheyer.

Duke has beaten Kentucky for 17 of the last 20 recruits they’ve went up against and now have taken one of UKs top recruiting coaches.

[WVRed]

Keion Brooks has entered the transfer portal.

[Ky Fried Redleg]

Keion Brooks has entered the transfer portal.

He'll disappear for awhile and then reappear at some other portal.

[cumberlandreds]

To no ones surprise Shaedon Sharpe is staying in the draft.

[cumberlandreds]

Just saw this, Reggie Warford passed away recently. He was the 2nd black player for the UK basketball program and the first 4 year black player. He never played a lot at UK until his senior season. His best game may have been his last when he scored 14 points in a win over UNCC in the 1976 NIT finals. He had been in poor health for a long time. RIP Reggie Warford.

https://www.on3.com/teams/kentucky-wildcats/news/reggie-warford-a-key-figure-in-kentucky-basketballs-integration-passed-away-at-67/

[WVRed]

KT Turner is replacing Jai Lucas. Another assistant with ties to Texas.

Rumors that Cal is looking to hire Dajuan Wagner as well.

[cumberlandreds]

Toppin is coming back.

[cumberlandreds]

Sad to report that Mike Pratt passed away last night after a battle with cancer. Pratt was a fine player at UK in the late 60's. He teamed up with Dan Issell and Mike Casey to make for some really good teams in that time period but just couldn't get past the regional finals. Pratt became the radio analyst in the early 2000's for the UK network. I always liked listening to him when I could. He and Leach made a very good team. RIP Mike Pratt.

https://www.on3.com/teams/kentucky-wildcats/news/mike-pratt-a-kentucky-basketball-hall-of-famer-dies-at-73/

[cumberlandreds]

UK is going to the Bahamas for four games in August. All four will be on the SEC Network. So we will get an early look at the 22-23 Cats,

https://www.on3.com/teams/kentucky-wildcats/news/game-times-set-kentuckys-big-blue-bahamas-tour/

[Sea Ray]

I didn't think college teams were allowed to practice, much less play games, before midnight madness sometime in October

[cumberlandreds]

I didn't think college teams were allowed to practice, much less play games, before midnight madness sometime in October

They can go to another country once every four years for set amount of time and play some games. This is the third time under Cal that UK has gone to the Bahamas.

[Sea Ray]

They can go to another country once every four years for set amount of time and play some games. This is the third time under Cal that UK has gone to the Bahamas.

It was my understanding that it was a limit on practice time for the players. It's an added hardship on the players but it's also an advantage competitively for other teams that can't practice till mid October

[Bourgeois Zee]

Ugonna Kingsley is enrolling in a couple of days and apparently Kentucky leads. His plan, such as it is, is the redshirt, get stronger, focus on his offensive range, then play a featured role next season with PG Robert Dillingham, Reed Sheppard, and whomever else UK recruits. Too, Adu Theiro, CJ Frederick, and others may end up staying for longer tenures.

[cumberlandreds]

It was my understanding that it was a limit on practice time for the players. It's an added hardship on the players but it's also an advantage competitively for other teams that can't practice till mid October

Take it up with the NCAA. They have allowed these trips every four years every since I have been a fan which goes back to the early 70's. The first one I remember UK going to was to Australia before 1974-75 season. They have pretty much gone on one of these trips every 4 or 5 years since then. I'm sure other schools do this too.

[RiverRat13]

Reed Sheppard was pretty darn tough against Bronny's team the other night.

Sent from my SM-G970U using Tapatalk

[cumberlandreds]

A home and home two game series with Gonzaga was announced. UK will go to Spokane for a November 20th game this season.

Also the Blue/White game will be played in eastern Kentucky to help support flood relief in that area that has been devastated with flooding. Pikeville is being speculated as the venue of this game.

https://www.on3.com/college/kentucky-wildcats/news/kentucky-announces-annual-blue-white-game-to-be-played-eastern-kentucky-this-year-flooding-telethon/

[OldFashionedRed]

I don't think Ugonna would do such a thing, but what happens if he redshirts and bolts for the NBA afterwards? I'm so over the Sharpe situation.

I'm also glad that Brooks is gonzo, and now Toppin can play without constantly looking over at his shoulder to see Cal's petshop boy checking in.

[Ky Fried Redleg]

I don't think Ugonna would do such a thing, but what happens if he redshirts and bolts for the NBA afterwards? I'm so over the Sharpe situation.

I'm also glad that Brooks is gonzo, and now Toppin can play without constantly looking over at his shoulder to see Cal's petshop boy checking in.



Brooks could be lights out once in a blue moon then he would be missing in action for several games. Just no consistency in his game. He's one of those that will be remembered as someone who could have been really, really good but failed to live up to what he could have been. I think Toppin can be really good. He gained a lot of confidence last season and it could be break out time for him if Cal gives him the opportunity.

[cumberlandreds]

Brooks could be lights out once in a blue moon then he would be missing in action for several games. Just no consistency in his game. He's one of those that will be remembered as someone who could have been really, really good but failed to live up to what he could have been. I think Toppin can be really good. He gained a lot of confidence last season and it could be break out time for him if Cal gives him the opportunity.

Toppin is like Brooks, he needs that consistency. If he can achieve that he will be really good. He's bulked up this summer so we will see if that makes a difference.

[Bourgeois Zee]

Cats played the Dominican last night and demolished them.

Some notes:

- Cason Wallace will lead this year's Kentucky team in scoring. Yes, that includes Tshiebwe. He's a bucket, and opposing teams won't be able to key on him like they will Big Oscar.

- I'm nearly positive Calipari will trot out a lineup with Damion Collins, Jacob Toppin, and Tshiebwe as the frontcourt. He won't be able to help himself.

Sigh.

- My starting five? Glad you asked:
PG Sahvir Wheeler
CG Cason Wallace
SF Antonio Reeves
PF Jacob Toppin
C Oscar Tshiebwe

Backups:
PG Adou Thiero
CG CJ Fredrick
SF Chris Livingston
PF Damion Collins
C Lance Ware

- Platoon 23!

It could really work.

- Thiero is a defensive menace. That might get him some playing time over Fredrick, who has to be able to shoot at an elite level in order to play.

- Speaking of shooting, I've got a total of three guys who I trust to shoot from deep: Wallace (a true freshman), Reeves (who looked great but has a history of being streaky), and Fredrick (who is elite). The next group-- Collins, Toppin, and Livingston-- are all bigs who need to be more PJ Washington than Bam Adebayo offensively for Kentucky to be the best team it can be.

- Neither Wheeler nor Fredrick played well in the first game. Fredrick has an excuse. Wheeler... notsomuch.

- Every UK big played well. Really, really well. Good problem to have, especially considering Ugonna Kingsley's commitment.

Your thoughts?

[cumberlandreds]

I haven't watched last nights game yet. I have it DVR'd. But if they only have three can shoot the three consistently its going to be the same song and dance like every year. That will take them out of the NCAA's at some point.

[Bourgeois Zee]

I haven't watched last nights game yet. I have it DVR'd. But if they only have three can shoot the three consistently its going to be the same song and dance like every year. That will take them out of the NCAA's at some point.

If those three are on the court at closing time, they can win it all. A closing lineup of Tshiebwe, Toppin, Reeves, Fredrick, and Wallace has plenty of shooting, elite defense at at least two spots, lots of ballhandling, good passing, and all the rebounding a team could need. Cal, however, is likely to be temped by the length of Collins and Livingston at the wings and the experience of Wheeler at the point.

[cumberlandreds]

If those three are on the court at closing time, they can win it all. A closing lineup of Tshiebwe, Toppin, Reeves, Fredrick, and Wallace has plenty of shooting, elite defense at at least two spots, lots of ballhandling, good passing, and all the rebounding a team could need. Cal, however, is likely to be temped by the length of Collins and Livingston at the wings and the experience of Wheeler at the point.

I can just see the same happening as in most years. UK goes 3 for 27 from the threes and goes home. Maybe not in the first round this year but in the regionals. We'll see. I hope I'm wrong.

Doesn't look like UK is getting any competition in the Bahamas. Won by 62 last night. From what I read the team they played looked like a bad YMCA team. So its hard to glean much from these games.

[RiverRat13]

Seems as though Cal ticked off Mark Stoops a bit.

[cumberlandreds]

Seems as though Cal ticked off Mark Stoops a bit.

What did he say or do?

[WVRed]

What did he say or do?

Cal is lobbying for a practice facility to replace the Craft Center and said that Kentucky is a basketball school while bringing up how Kentucky has made investments in the football program (that was sorely needed).

I am Team Stoops on this one. Cal was out of line and given the last two years here would have likely gotten any other coach fired dragging the football program into this is a bad look.

Mark Stoops Responds to John Calipari: “We won’t be derailed”

https://www.on3.com/teams/kentucky-wildcats/news/mark-stoops-kentucky-football-john-calipari-kentucky-basketball/

[WVRed]

Kentucky absolutely destroyed Carleton College tonight. This was the team expected to give Kentucky the biggest fight on this trip and the final score was 118-56.

Jacob Toppin is going to be one of the top players in college basketball next season. For some context he hit 5 threes tonight and hit only 4 all of last season. Kentucky as a whole hit 15 threes with 11 coming in the second half.

[adkindo]

Cal is lobbying for a practice facility to replace the Craft Center and said that Kentucky is a basketball school while bringing up how Kentucky has made investments in the football program (that was sorely needed).

I am Team Stoops on this one. Cal was out of line and given the last two years here would have likely gotten any other coach fired dragging the football program into this is a bad look.

Mark Stoops Responds to John Calipari: “We won’t be derailed”

https://www.on3.com/teams/kentucky-wildcats/news/mark-stoops-kentucky-football-john-calipari-kentucky-basketball/

Felt like Cal patted Stoops on the head and said "good job giving the fans something to do until basketball season starts"! Didn't UK just build a brand new practice facility 10-15 years ago? Seems a little silly to "need" a new practice facility every decade?

[WVRed]

Felt like Cal patted Stoops on the head and said "good job giving the fans something to do until basketball season starts"! Didn't UK just build a brand new practice facility 10-15 years ago? Seems a little silly to "need" a new practice facility every decade?

The Joe Craft Center. It opened in 2007.

It does until you consider Kentucky isn’t just competing in the SEC for recruits but nationally. When you lose a young top assistant to Duke essentially doing the same thing it shows something is wrong.

The school just spent $310 million upgrading Rupp and replaced the practice courts and lockers in the Craft Center. I think it needs upgraded but when you consider the Braves can replace a stadium after 19 years stranger things have happened.

[cumberlandreds]

Cal shouldn't have said that but it s not the first time a UK football coach has hot his butt hurt by someone saying UK is a basketball school. Both coaches just need to concentrate on their own programs and forget about what anyone says.

[WVRed]

Cal shouldn't have said that but it s not the first time a UK football coach has hot his butt hurt by someone saying UK is a basketball school. Both coaches just need to concentrate on their own programs and forget about what anyone says.

The difference is Stoops has built the program up to where the fans actually care about football. I could see saying that if Joker Phillips or even Rich Brooks was the coach but Kentucky football has come a long way and has been rewarded for it with Stoops getting what he wanted/needed.

I’d like to see Cal given an ultimatum. Get back to a final four before talking about a new practice facility.

[RiverRat13]

The difference is Stoops has built the program up to where the fans actually care about football. I could see saying that if Joker Phillips or even Rich Brooks was the coach but Kentucky football has come a long way and has been rewarded for it with Stoops getting what he wanted/needed.

I’d like to see Cal given an ultimatum. Get back to a final four before talking about a new practice facility.

Isn’t the current facility only 15 years old?

I think a lot of the money that traditionally would go to facilities will wind up as NIL money.

[WVRed]

Isn’t the current facility only 15 years old?

I think a lot of the money that traditionally would go to facilities will wind up as NIL money.

Possible, and yes it’s “only” 15 years old.

Did a quick Google search on top basketball facilities and it’s interesting to see the new ones being built or already have been built:

Texas Tech
Boston College
Seton Hall
Michigan State
Oregon
Maryland
USC

[adkindo]

Felt like Cal patted Stoops on the head and said "good job giving the fans something to do until basketball season starts"! Didn't UK just build a brand new practice facility 10-15 years ago? Seems a little silly to "need" a new practice facility every decade?

Personally not sure who Joe Craft is.....but I would be hesitant about donating money for a building on campus that would only be relevant for 15 years. I would assume most donors expect their name to be on the building for many years.....but that is pure speculation on my part.

[WVRed]

Personally not sure who Joe Craft is.....but I would be hesitant about donating money for a building on campus that would only be relevant for 15 years. I would assume most donors expect their name to be on the building for many years.....but that is pure speculation on my part.

Another issue I didn’t mention was Kentucky had to call practice one day last week due to the roof leaking with the heavy rain in the area. Cal didn’t immediately address it when it happened and basically offered prayers for the people in the eastern part of the state who had been affected.

Pretty much after that though Cal has started calling for a new facility which might as well be throwing out the baby with the bath water. Fix what you have instead of asking for something new.

Joe Craft is a coal baron from Hazard Ky. Alliance Resource Partners.

[cumberlandreds]

No they don't need a new facility. Maybe it needs a good overall renovation. I know I wouldn't donate for a new one when one is use is only 15 years old. If Cal wants it that bad then he should hit up all those players he has sent to the NBA for a donation. A half million from each would probably get you a new one.

[WVRed]

Paul Finebaum slams John Calipari, says he is ‘no longer the best option’ for Kentucky

https://www.on3.com/college/kentucky-wildcats/news/paul-finebaum-slams-john-calipari-following-recent-dispute-with-mark-stoops-kentucky-basketball-football/

[adkindo]

Paul Finebaum slams John Calipari, says he is ‘no longer the best option’ for Kentucky

https://www.on3.com/college/kentucky-wildcats/news/paul-finebaum-slams-john-calipari-following-recent-dispute-with-mark-stoops-kentucky-basketball-football/

My honest take......there is a pretty strong case that Cal has underachieved at UK based on National Championships. It is really hard to explain how he comes away empty with that KAT team.....and even the Wall/Cousins team my Mountaineers knocked off! Still, it would be insane to fire Cal....and I am going to guess the chances that you get someone better than Cal somewhere below 5%. It takes more than just a really good college coach to oversee a program like UK....Pitino was one of those guys as is Cal, but there are not many. Also, it is hard to know who can walk that walk until you actually see them do it.

[Bourgeois Zee]

My honest take......there is a pretty strong case that Cal has underachieved at UK based on National Championships. It is really hard to explain how he comes away empty with that KAT team.....and even the Wall/Cousins team my Mountaineers knocked off! Still, it would be insane to fire Cal....and I am going to guess the chances that you get someone better than Cal somewhere below 5%. It takes more than just a really good college coach to oversee a program like UK....Pitino was one of those guys as is Cal, but there are not many. Also, it is hard to know who can walk that walk until you actually see them do it.

He lost versus Wisconsin on a remarkably questionable late non-call that could well have swung the game.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xqudigeGwSE

From USA Today:

With 2:35 left, time was running down on a wild Wisconsin possession. There were two missed shots, two clean blocks and then, Nigel Hayes getting two points off his own rebound when there was no time on the shot clock. Originally the TBS truck thought it was called a shot-clock violation, as did most of Americans outside Kentucky. They kept the score at 60-58, Kentucky. But then the score changed to 60-60 because the network was told that were was no violation, despite the fact that Hayes was clearly, even in real-time, holding the ball with 0 on the shot clock. The worst part is Kentucky was 41 seconds away from having that play become reviewable as refs can only go to the monitor with under two minutes. (I dislike all replay except for tennis’s Hawkeye. But if you’re going to review calls under two minutes, why not make it five in the tournament. The games count more.) The bucket counted and the game was tied.

Kentucky would never lead again.

Kentucky lost composure after that (non) call. (Which makes sense, considering how young they were.)

BTW, the guy who missed that call-- John Higgins-- has a history with UK basketball, most of it sordid (http://www.bigbluehistory.net/bb/Statistics/Officials/John_Higgins.html).

[adkindo]

He lost versus Wisconsin on a remarkably questionable late non-call that could well have swung the game.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xqudigeGwSE

From USA Today:


Kentucky lost composure after that (non) call. (Which makes sense, considering how young they were.)

BTW, the guy who missed that call-- John Higgins-- has a history with UK basketball, most of it sordid (http://www.bigbluehistory.net/bb/Statistics/Officials/John_Higgins.html).

ehh, Higgins is a joke, and I am aware of his history with UK, but IMO that team was 10-15 points better than any team in the country that year. A call or a couple calls really should not have been enough to beat that team.....again in my opinion. I rank that team as probably the best college basketball team I watched as an adult. From the couch, I thought Cal could have managed that team a little better in regards to lineups and PT distribution. How does Booker only play 19 minutes in that game while the Harrison twins each played about 30?

[cumberlandreds]

Cal started to gear things down well before that bad call. He does that all the time and it gets his teams in trouble more often than not. Most of the time they survive it but didn't this time. This started about the 5 minute mark when UK had only had about a 4 or 6 point lead. Way to early to be grinding things down against a very good team like Wisconsin. They were on the ropes and Cal let them back in it. Any blaming of officials, even though Higgins is horrible, is just sour grapes.

[WVRed]

Cal started to gear things down well before that bad call. He does that all the time and it gets his teams in trouble more often than not. Most of the time they survive it but didn't this time. This started about the 5 minute mark when UK had only had about a 4 or 6 point lead. Way to early to be grinding things down against a very good team like Wisconsin. They were on the ropes and Cal let them back in it. Any blaming of officials, even though Higgins is horrible, is just sour grapes.

This happened in 2012 against Kansas in the national championship game and that could have ended the same way.

Wisconsin offensively was the worst matchup for Kentucky the entire tournament and everyone knew it.

[cumberlandreds]

This happened in 2012 against Kansas in the national championship game and that could have ended the same way.

Wisconsin offensively was the worst matchup for Kentucky the entire tournament and everyone knew it.

Yea I had bad feeling about that Wisconsin game. They were a bad matchup for UK. You are right about that 2012 game. If not for a great play Gilchrist near the end of that game they could have blown it because Cal put them in the grind game way too early..

[Bourgeois Zee]

They were on the ropes and Cal let them back in it. Any blaming of officials, even though Higgins is horrible, is just sour grapes.

Absolutely sour grapes.

That said, that call at that time changed the complexion of the game completely.

Kentucky wins, IMO, if that call is made correctly.

That's why UK didn't win the championship that season.

(That tends to happen a lot with Higgins officiating Kentucky games. The UNC game that ended up with all sorts of Kentucky fans ready to tar and feather him is another example.)

[cumberlandreds]

If Cal had not ground the game down that call probably would not have occurred. Anyway that's all in the past and nothing can be done now. You would hope Cal would have learned but he hasn't and he will never change.

[cumberlandreds]

Time is set for the UL game on December 31st is noon. That is the same time as the Sugar Bowl. If UK should be in the Sugar Bowl(I'm not holding my breath) which game will you choose to watch?


https://www.on3.com/teams/kentucky-wildcats/news/kentucky-vs-louisville-basketball-tip-off-time-announced/

[Assembly Hall]

Time is set for the UL game on December 31st is noon. That is the same time as the Sugar Bowl. If UK should be in the Sugar Bowl(I'm not holding my breath) which game will you choose to watch?


https://www.on3.com/teams/kentucky-wildcats/news/kentucky-vs-louisville-basketball-tip-off-time-announced/

When was the last time UK was in the Sugar Bowl?

[cumberlandreds]

When was the last time UK was in the Sugar Bowl?

I think it was 1951. Bear Bryant was their HC then. So its been a while. :)

[WVRed]

https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/34488703/los-angeles-clippers-guard-john-wall-says-contemplated-suicide-dealing-injury-family-tragedies

[cumberlandreds]

https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/34488703/los-angeles-clippers-guard-john-wall-says-contemplated-suicide-dealing-injury-family-tragedies

Wow! You just never know what these guys are going through sometimes. Sounds like he is doing better and coping better with all of things that went badly in that time.

[UKFlounder]

Here’s a good story


https://linknky.com/culture/2022/09/06/the-secret-to-living-to-107-tomatoes-and-uk-basketball/?utm_medium=social&utm_source=facebook_LINK_nky&fbclid=IwAR24buWWhzvKVQwSYIDxJrOFjpQ4fXkdyyrWZU8IL HHqNrF7Na-AD57DJ-0

[cumberlandreds]

Here’s a good story


https://linknky.com/culture/2022/09/06/the-secret-to-living-to-107-tomatoes-and-uk-basketball/?utm_medium=social&utm_source=facebook_LINK_nky&fbclid=IwAR24buWWhzvKVQwSYIDxJrOFjpQ4fXkdyyrWZU8IL HHqNrF7Na-AD57DJ-0

I guess I won't live to be a 107 since I don't like tomatoes. :) She is amazing and God bless her.

[cumberlandreds]

Full schedule was released today. I think a pretty non-conference. Both Michigan's, UCLA, at Gonzaga, Louisville and Kansas in Rupp. Plenty of cream puffs but everyone has a bunch of those. A number of game on the SEC Plus network. I don't like those as it seems I always have trouble viewing those and you can't record and watch those later. Blue/White game is in Pikeville. I think the proceeds are going to the flood victims of eastern Kentucky.

https://www.on3.com/teams/kentucky-wildcats/news/kentucky-mens-basketball-releases-complete-2022-23-schedule/

[WVRed]

Full schedule was released today. I think a pretty non-conference. Both Michigan's, UCLA, at Gonzaga, Louisville and Kansas in Rupp. Plenty of cream puffs but everyone has a bunch of those. A number of game on the SEC Plus network. I don't like those as it seems I always have trouble viewing those and you can't record and watch those later. Blue/White game is in Pikeville. I think the proceeds are going to the flood victims of eastern Kentucky.

https://www.on3.com/teams/kentucky-wildcats/news/kentucky-mens-basketball-releases-complete-2022-23-schedule/

North Florida and Bellarmine are the only two SEC+ games. The rest are exhibitions and the Blue-White scrimmage.

For a blue blood it could honestly be worse. I understand the frustration especially for rural fans where broadband Internet isn’t as easily accessible though. I just checked WVUs basketball schedule and 13 games are on ESPN+. I travel to Elkins sometimes and the internet there is less than desirable.

[cumberlandreds]

North Florida and Bellarmine are the only two SEC+ games. The rest are exhibitions and the Blue-White scrimmage.

For a blue blood it could honestly be worse. I understand the frustration especially for rural fans where broadband Internet isn’t as easily accessible though. I just checked WVUs basketball schedule and 13 games are on ESPN+. I travel to Elkins sometimes and the internet there is less than desirable.

My problem is with Xfinity. When I tuned in to watch the UK football game a few weeks back that was on SEC Network plus it wasn't available when I pulled up the ESPN App. I tried a few times and nothing. I gave it one final try after a few minutes and it finally showed up. It was well into the 2nd quarter by then. I have no idea what Xfinity was doing. I have had that trouble before too. Like you said though the games on SEC Network plus are the non-descript games. The Florida A&M game will more than likely be a part of that too. If I miss those, its no big loss. But I would like the capability to record them and watch later. I assume there is no way to go back and watch them later?

[cumberlandreds]

The UK/Gonzaga series was extended for six seasons. UK will go to the Kennel in 2027. The Zags come to Rupp twice and there are games in Nashville and Seattle during that time.


https://www.on3.com/teams/kentucky-wildcats/news/kentucky-vs-gonzaga-series-six-years-john-calipari-mark-few/

[Assembly Hall]

Came across this on CBS: https://www.cbssports.com/college-basketball/news/dribble-handoff-kentuckys-most-intriguing-game-for-2022-23-season-as-john-caliparis-team-seeks-redemption/

[cumberlandreds]

Came across this on CBS: https://www.cbssports.com/college-basketball/news/dribble-handoff-kentuckys-most-intriguing-game-for-2022-23-season-as-john-caliparis-team-seeks-redemption/

I am hoping UK is like UVA was a few years back when they lost to UMBC in the first round and then came back and won it all the next season. That's my best hope for this year and that they are motivated after that debacle against Saint Pete,

[Assembly Hall]

https://collegehoopstoday.com/index.php/rothstein-files/indiana-kentucky-in-advanced-discussions-for-multi-year-series/

[dubc47834]

https://collegehoopstoday.com/index.php/rothstein-files/indiana-kentucky-in-advanced-discussions-for-multi-year-series/

I saw this on Facebook this morning. Woody is doing great things with the IU program.

[WVRed]

Will probably be something similar to Gonzaga. Game at Rupp, game at Assembly Hall, game at Louisville and Indianapolis would be my guess.

I think they should set up something similar to the Crossroad Classic where Kentucky and Louisville play Indiana and Purdue and rotate the next year. Could even add Butler/Notre Dame and Murray State/WKU to it and rotate between Indianapolis and Louisville.

[Assembly Hall]

I think they should set up something similar to the Crossroad Classic where Kentucky and Louisville play Indiana and Purdue and rotate the next year. Could even add Butler/Notre Dame and Murray State/WKU to it and rotate between Indianapolis and Louisville.

I would rather see IU/Ohio St. vs. UK/Louisville. With a Butler/Cincinnati in there somewhere.

[dubc47834]

Will probably be something similar to Gonzaga. Game at Rupp, game at Assembly Hall, game at Louisville and Indianapolis would be my guess.

I think they should set up something similar to the Crossroad Classic where Kentucky and Louisville play Indiana and Purdue and rotate the next year. Could even add Butler/Notre Dame and Murray State/WKU to it and rotate between Indianapolis and Louisville.

Wonder why Cal has changed his mind. This is basically the exact scenario that was presented to him a few years ago with Crean, and Cal shot it down.

[Assembly Hall]

Wonder why Cal has changed his mind. This is basically the exact scenario that was presented to him a few years ago with Crean, and Cal shot it down.

Maybe it is because Woody is the HC for the Hoosiers?

[Bourgeois Zee]

Wonder why Cal has changed his mind. This is basically the exact scenario that was presented to him a few years ago with Crean, and Cal shot it down.

Is this official?

Calipari's players nearly got hurt badly the last time they played in Bloomington. Many of the fans were treated horribly. (This includes, if rumors can be believed, both of his daughters, who were showered with beer, trash, and insults.)

[Assembly Hall]

Is this official?

Calipari's players nearly got hurt badly the last time they played in Bloomington. Many of the fans were treated horribly. (This includes, if rumors can be believed, both of his daughters, who were showered with beer, trash, and insults.)

They didn't serve beer in Assembly Hall when that game took place.

[Bourgeois Zee]

They didn't serve beer in Assembly Hall when that game took place.

Didn't say they did.

Did say they were showered with beer.

Shaken cans, then doused, according to reports.

Waste of beer.

[WVRed]

Wonder why Cal has changed his mind. This is basically the exact scenario that was presented to him a few years ago with Crean, and Cal shot it down.

Two reasons:

1. Cal has caught a lot of heat for how last season ended.

2. I don’t think he’s having a whole lot of luck getting neutral site games like he wants. He was called out for it by Mark Few (to be fair, Duke was as called out as well).

[dubc47834]

Didn't say they did.

Did say they were showered with beer.

Shaken cans, then doused, according to reports.

Waste of beer.

Then it wasn't in Assembly Hall, may have been outside. While I don't condone anyone getting hurt on the court after the game, also gotta take into account where the program was coming in to that game. By anyone's guess, the Hoosiers were a year away from being relevant again. Then to beat UK the way that went down, was just wild. Top 3 moment in IU history for what it meant to the program. Too bad Crean wasn't a better coach, maybe we could have sustained that momentum longer. It's a shame anyone was hurt.

[WVRed]

Aaron Bradshaw commits to Kentucky at Big Blue Madness.

Huge pickup. Cal finally snags a top center recruit. His HS teammate is DJ Wagner.

[Assembly Hall]

Aaron Bradshaw commits to Kentucky at Big Blue Madness.

Huge pickup. Cal finally snags a top center recruit. His HS teammate is DJ Wagner.

https://www.cbssports.com/college-basketball/news/kentucky-basketball-recruiting-five-star-center-aaron-bradshaw-commits-to-wildcats-over-louisville-ucla/

[WVRed]

The Indiana series is expected to resume in 2025-2026.

Anyone want to bet Cal will be retired by then?

[Assembly Hall]

The Indiana series is expected to resume in 2025-2026.

Anyone want to bet Cal will be retired by then?

https://www.kentucky.com/sports/college/kentucky-sports/uk-basketball-men/article267522953.html

No NBA for Cal?

[WVRed]

https://www.kentucky.com/sports/college/kentucky-sports/uk-basketball-men/article267522953.html

No NBA for Cal?

Don’t see it. He’s had opportunities to leave and hasn’t. If he did it would have been when Worldwide Wes went to the Knicks.

[cumberlandreds]

The Indiana series is expected to resume in 2025-2026.

Anyone want to bet Cal will be retired by then?

That's what I thought too. He is setting these series up for the next coach.

[Assembly Hall]

That's what I thought too. He is setting these series up for the next coach.

My gut tells me Cal is gonna meet up with IU before this series starts. The NCAA selection committee is drooling.

[cumberlandreds]

My gut tells me Cal is gonna meet up with IU before this series starts. The NCAA selection committee is drooling.

UK will have to get by the St. Peters of the world and IU will need to make an NCAA tournament. :) Then maybe?

[Assembly Hall]

UK will have to get by the St. Peters of the world and IU will need to make an NCAA tournament. :) Then maybe?

Ouch!

[WVRed]

Adou Theiro putting on a clinic tonight in the Blue White game.

Raised over $162,000 tonight in Pikeville for flood relief.

[Bourgeois Zee]

Some notes after watching the Blue-White game (and re-watching parts of their games from the Bahamas this summer):

- Surrounding Tshiebwe with shooters shouldn't be rocket science, but Calipari finally seems like he understands that he can win that way. CJ Frederick looked great in the scrimmage-- confident, good with the ball, solid defensively, smart, tough. Most importantly, he's a bucket from deep. I suspect he'll close out games as either one of three guards.

- Calipari can go three guards because Cason Wallace is so smooth. He's another guy who just doesn't look like he gets ruffled. He's played within himself all summer and fall-- that bodes well for hitting the ground running and for March. I really like him as a lead guard, as the Cats look like they have enough combo guards (Frederick, Theiro, Reeves) to deal with consistent pressure.

- Speaking of Antonio Reeves, I love his range, willingness to jack it up, and most importantly, his makes. He's been a massive surprise, playing well with the ball in his hand or as a wing. He allows Calipari to play three guards at all times. I expect he and Frederick will close out most games with Wallace as the PG. The added advantage of both is that they're veterans.

- Chris Livingston got a bit lost last night. I suspect that'll happen in the regular season as well. I love him as a small ball four, but that's not the way Calipari typically operates. (Too bad too-- he'd be a force in that spot.) As a wing, he'll defend but most teams Kentucky faces will have a small guy out there. The Cats will likely be better with Reeves and Frederick in that spot.

- Sahvir Wheeler is fun to watch. I'm not sure he fits this team well. As a change of pace, I love his speed and aggressiveness. It really works when he's "on." But he has to be on for it to work. Otherwise, he's a detriment to the team. I suspect Cal will have a quick hook this season.

- That power forward spot is loaded. Damion Collins would start on 98% of the teams in college basketball, but he's the seventh or eighth guy at UK this season. He's AD with better handles-- but less defensive acument. He needs to be a center, IMO, but can't handle to low-post strength it requires. In five years, when he gets his grown man strength, the guy's going to go beast mode. Until then, it'll come in spurts.

- Every dominant Kentucky team had a dominant PF. Jacob Toppin has to be that guy. He's got some Kenny Walker to his game, but needs to knock down that corner and straightaway three to be an All-American candidate. Defensively, he's going to be really good-- if he doesn't foul out. (Then again, with Livingston and Collins behind him, he can afford to be aggressive.) The key to Kentucky's entire season likely lays in Toppin's three-point shooting. No pressure, kid.

- Adou Theiro has come out of nowhere to show he belongs at Kentucky. Long, strong, and tough, he's been a (far) better shooter than advertised. We'll have to see what happens when the lights come on for real, but if he can hit shots, Calipari will find a place for him. His emergence (and likely lack of minutes this season) allows the Cats the luxury of having at least two high-end sophomore veterans for next season's squad (which is shaping up to be epic).

- Ugonna Onyenso looks like Bambi, but I suspect he'll be a force by March. He's got defensive instincts that are just ridiculous. And his length is as well. Calipari could go with an All-Defense team of Onyenso at center, Collins at PF, Livingston at SF, and Wallace and Thiero at the guards. Try scoring on that squad.

- Wallace, Tshiebwe, Toppin, Wheeler, and Reeves are absolutely going pro. Collins and Livingston could as well. Frederick might, but will (IMO) probably stick around. With the group coming in next season, the Cats could well be in for a dominant two-year run.

[cumberlandreds]

I didn't get to see any of the BW game. We were out until about 7:30 and I don't know of any easy way to record these games that are on the SEC Network Plus. That's the reason I hate these games that they put on that channel. I usually record every game just because things come up and I can't watch it live. I am glad there aren't too many on this channel but I am afraid they will put more and more on it as time goes by.

I hope they use three guards to go with Oscar and Tippin. But I am afraid Cal won't that much. He will also use Wheeler far too much also and he can't shoot a lick. He also can be turnover machine at times. But Cal will probably go down in flames with him. We will see.

[WVRed]

Some notes after watching the Blue-White game (and re-watching parts of their games from the Bahamas this summer):

- Surrounding Tshiebwe with shooters shouldn't be rocket science, but Calipari finally seems like he understands that he can win that way. CJ Frederick looked great in the scrimmage-- confident, good with the ball, solid defensively, smart, tough. Most importantly, he's a bucket from deep. I suspect he'll close out games as either one of three guards.

- Calipari can go three guards because Cason Wallace is so smooth. He's another guy who just doesn't look like he gets ruffled. He's played within himself all summer and fall-- that bodes well for hitting the ground running and for March. I really like him as a lead guard, as the Cats look like they have enough combo guards (Frederick, Theiro, Reeves) to deal with consistent pressure.

- Speaking of Antonio Reeves, I love his range, willingness to jack it up, and most importantly, his makes. He's been a massive surprise, playing well with the ball in his hand or as a wing. He allows Calipari to play three guards at all times. I expect he and Frederick will close out most games with Wallace as the PG. The added advantage of both is that they're veterans.

- Chris Livingston got a bit lost last night. I suspect that'll happen in the regular season as well. I love him as a small ball four, but that's not the way Calipari typically operates. (Too bad too-- he'd be a force in that spot.) As a wing, he'll defend but most teams Kentucky faces will have a small guy out there. The Cats will likely be better with Reeves and Frederick in that spot.

- Sahvir Wheeler is fun to watch. I'm not sure he fits this team well. As a change of pace, I love his speed and aggressiveness. It really works when he's "on." But he has to be on for it to work. Otherwise, he's a detriment to the team. I suspect Cal will have a quick hook this season.

- That power forward spot is loaded. Damion Collins would start on 98% of the teams in college basketball, but he's the seventh or eighth guy at UK this season. He's AD with better handles-- but less defensive acument. He needs to be a center, IMO, but can't handle to low-post strength it requires. In five years, when he gets his grown man strength, the guy's going to go beast mode. Until then, it'll come in spurts.

- Every dominant Kentucky team had a dominant PF. Jacob Toppin has to be that guy. He's got some Kenny Walker to his game, but needs to knock down that corner and straightaway three to be an All-American candidate. Defensively, he's going to be really good-- if he doesn't foul out. (Then again, with Livingston and Collins behind him, he can afford to be aggressive.) The key to Kentucky's entire season likely lays in Toppin's three-point shooting. No pressure, kid.

- Adou Theiro has come out of nowhere to show he belongs at Kentucky. Long, strong, and tough, he's been a (far) better shooter than advertised. We'll have to see what happens when the lights come on for real, but if he can hit shots, Calipari will find a place for him. His emergence (and likely lack of minutes this season) allows the Cats the luxury of having at least two high-end sophomore veterans for next season's squad (which is shaping up to be epic).

- Ugonna Onyenso looks like Bambi, but I suspect he'll be a force by March. He's got defensive instincts that are just ridiculous. And his length is as well. Calipari could go with an All-Defense team of Onyenso at center, Collins at PF, Livingston at SF, and Wallace and Thiero at the guards. Try scoring on that squad.

- Wallace, Tshiebwe, Toppin, Wheeler, and Reeves are absolutely going pro. Collins and Livingston could as well. Frederick might, but will (IMO) probably stick around. With the group coming in next season, the Cats could well be in for a dominant two-year run.

I agree with most of this.

I think the next two seasons are Cals best to run it back. This years has improvements on shooters plus two incoming impact freshmen. What happened against Saint Peters should be rectified.

The following season has Cals best recruiting class (potentially) since 2013. Best case scenario would be some holdovers or hitting the portal to fill in players that leave.

I’d compare it to 1978 the season without celebration. Fans are expecting a championship and the next two years are the most likely to do it. If Cal wins one or both I think he calls it a career. Then we’re in a new era of UK basketball.

[WVRed]

95-63 win over Howard to open the season. No Oscar, Wheeler, or Collins who’s father passed away last week.

Antonio Reeves with 22 points and Cason Wallace flirting with a triple double.

Next up Duquesne on Friday night at 7.

[Bourgeois Zee]

95-63 win over Howard to open the season. No Oscar, Wheeler, or Collins who’s father passed away last week.

Antonio Reeves with 22 points and Cason Wallace flirting with a triple double.

Next up Duquesne on Friday night at 7.

Calipari is going to have to keep two of CJ Fredrick, Antonio Reeves, and Cason Wallace in the game at all times. Those three guys are just deadly around the perimeter.

Livingston, Toppin, and Collins can play in the front court. (Livingston can come in at SF when Sahvir Wheeler sits).

Speaking of the front court, Ugonna Onyenso has some serious upside.

Really nice game tonight.

Outstanding first game.

[cumberlandreds]

They looked really good for a first game. Loved Wallace and what he can do. Nearly a triple double in his first game! I thought Livingston looked really impressive too. Like Zee said if Cal will leave those three guards in most of the time with Oscar and Toppin this team will be all right. Very optimistic this can be a great season.

Onyenso is going to be just a great compliment to Oscar underneath. I thought he looked just terrific too. You won't get a shot off with him in the area.

[Bourgeois Zee]

They looked really good for a first game. Loved Wallace and what he can do. Nearly a triple double in his first game! I thought Livingston looked really impressive too. Like Zee said if Cal will leave those three guards in most of the time with Oscar and Toppin this team will be all right. Very optimistic this can be a great season.

Onyenso is going to be just a great compliment to Oscar underneath. I thought he looked just terrific too. You won't get a shot off with him in the area.

Calipari said last night that he's pretty much committed to playing 8 players the majority of the minutes.

Wheeler and Wallace are going to be PGs.
Reeves and Fredrick will be shooters.
Topppin and Collins will be the athletes.
Tshiebwe will log the majority of minutes at the post.

That leaves Onyensu, Livingston, and Lance Ware to choose from for the 8th spot.

[cumberlandreds]

Calipari said last night that he's pretty much committed to playing 8 players the majority of the minutes.

Wheeler and Wallace are going to be PGs.
Reeves and Fredrick will be shooters.
Topppin and Collins will be the athletes.
Tshiebwe will log the majority of minutes at the post.

That leaves Onyensu, Livingston, and Lance Ware to choose from for the 8th spot.

Be hard to keep Livingston out of the rotation. He should get a lot of minutes. Onyensu and Ware will be filling in for Oscar for rest or foul trouble. But I can see Onyensu being a force at times in blocking shots. He has that Dikembe Motumbo look about him.

[goreds2]

Next games:

Nov 11, 2022
vs
Duquesne
7:00 pm
SECN
Rupp Arena at Central Bank Center


Nov 15, 2022
vs
Michigan St.
7:00 pm
ESPN
Gainbridge Fieldhouse


Nov 17, 2022
vs
SC State
7:00 pm
SECN
Rupp Arena at Central Bank Center

[WVRed]

DJ Wagner to announce next week. If it’s anyone but Kentucky it’ll be a shock.

[WVRed]

And Wagner picks Kentucky.

[Bourgeois Zee]

And Wagner picks Kentucky.

Kentucky has suddenly seemed to understand the importance of good-shooting wings. All four of the backcourt players are good shooters (and scorers) who should do well in the college game. With Fredrick and Reeves now on the squad, it looks like Calipari has (finally) embraced the modern game.

We'll see tonight.

Speaking of, if Tshiebwe plays, I'll be really interested in seeing who plays with him. I think two of Fredrick, Reeves, and Wallace have to be on the floor at all times.

What, then, to do with Livingston/ Toppin/ Collins?

Will Cal play two of them at a time, go big, and sit Wheeler? (That's a great move, fwiw-- Wallace and a wing plus bigs would likely be suffocating defensively.)
Will he instead play Livingston at PF with Wheeler and two wings? (Again, that's a great move. Livingston moves like a cross between Alex Poythress and Mashburn-- both of those guys played better at PF.)
Collins has shown some affinity for an 18-foot jump shot-- I like his form. If he can stretch that out to three-point range, he may supplant Toppin as the starting (or perhaps ending) PF. But he's got to be able to hit that shot.

I really like the pieces of this team. They're nearly and neatly interchangeable.

[cumberlandreds]

Another typical Cal coached team of the last few years last night. Can't execute down the stretch and can't shoot worth a dime against a good team. I have seen this movie before and its getting very old.

[Assembly Hall]

Another typical Cal coached team of the last few years last night. Can't execute down the stretch and can't shoot worth a dime against a good team. I have seen this movie before and its getting very old.

Most media sources have Sparty finishing 5-7 in the B1G.

[RedTeamGo!]

Honestly shocked Kentucky lost to MSU, this is the worst MSU team since the 90s talent-wise.

[Boston Red]

Michigan State lost by 1 to Gonzaga and beat Kentucky in double OT. The preseason expectations may not have been huge for Michigan State, but it seems like they might be just fine.

[Assembly Hall]

Michigan State lost by 1 to Gonzaga and beat Kentucky in double OT. The preseason expectations may not have been huge for Michigan State, but it seems like they might be just fine.

Or UK and Gonzaga were overrated?

[RedTeamGo!]

Michigan State lost by 1 to Gonzaga and beat Kentucky in double OT. The preseason expectations may not have been huge for Michigan State, but it seems like they might be just fine.

That MSU/Gonzaga game doesn't count at all to me. It was played on a ship on a very sunny day. It looks cool, but its absolutely absurd. That shouldn't even count as an official game in my book.

[WVRed]

Honestly shocked Kentucky lost to MSU, this is the worst MSU team since the 90s talent-wise.

Kentucky and Sparty have played some great games since the 90s. Double OT Elite Eight game that Michigan State won, Tyrese Maxey going off in NY, the Ford Field game.

I never bet against Izzo. He has taken teams worse than this and seeded lower to the Final Four. Just because they are picked to finish 5th-7th doesn’t mean anything, they can easily overachieve that prediction.

As for this team, a lot of the same problems from last year. Wheeler trying to take over when he is limited in what he can do. Oscar not calling out screens. You kind of expect it out of freshmen heavy teams Cal has employed in the past but not out of a team with so many returning players, one of which swept every major award last season.

That said I think Kentucky matches up well with Gonzaga. The X factor is Cason Wallace. Wallace tied a Kentucky record for steals in a game and is going up against a Gonzaga team that has turned the ball over quite a bit. Will be an interesting matchup.

[WVRed]

Kentucky got in a hole against Gonzaga in the first half with absolutely no energy except for Oscar. Second half they managed to cut into the lead before Gonzaga pulled away again.

[cumberlandreds]

This team just doesn't have it right now. They look lifeless. But they have their NIL money so they are probably happy with that!

[Assembly Hall]

This team just doesn't have it right now. They look lifeless. But they have their NIL money so they are probably happy with that!

They do realize that they are paid to win?

[UKWhoDey]

Glad to see yall are as fed up as I am.

[Assembly Hall]

Glad to see yall are as fed up as I am.

Not me. I am just a crazy IU fan passing through.

[cumberlandreds]

They do realize that they are paid to win?

I am afraid they get paid whether they win or not. Basically a guaranteed contract.

[dubc47834]

Not me. I am just a crazy IU fan passing through.

Do they need Martha to come mop up Rupp Arena?

[Assembly Hall]

Do they need Martha to come mop up Rupp Arena?

I wonder how many UK fans know who Martha is?

[cumberlandreds]

I wonder how many UK fans know who Martha is?

This one does not.

[Assembly Hall]

This one does not.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8eznJwRMNFM

[Strikes Out Looking]

They do realize that they are paid to win?

I wonder if you include inflation if UK players today make as much as UK players made in the 70's and 80's. Of course that was off the books and straight cash, so there was no tax implications.

[OldFashionedRed]

Calipari isn't too far from being gone, folks. It's evident in his body language, what he says in the post-games and interviews, and he chose to no longer talk to in entertainment and the media. He's done. I would MUCH rather have 4* star talent, with one or two 5* that RUN AN OFFENSE AND DEFENSE, than this OAD dog and pony show Cal has turned UK into. He should have been fired after the Sharpe fiasco last season, but his buyout was still too high. It's finally coming down to where getting rid of him would be the equivalent of trading away some high profile NBA/NFL/MLB star so the team can "change directions". Calipari's legacy will be twofold when he hangs it up: (a) sell out to the NBA and (b) worst underachiever in the history of college hoops.

[cumberlandreds]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8eznJwRMNFM

All I will say that I suppose every school has some silly tradition they hold onto. :)

[cumberlandreds]

I wonder if you include inflation if UK players today make as much as UK players made in the 70's and 80's. Of course that was off the books and straight cash, so there was no tax implications.

At least they continued to play hard. I think one thing we will find with NIL is that there will be quite a few that will take the money and run. Just another example how money, in the end, ruins things that were once good.

[Assembly Hall]

At least they continued to play hard. I think one thing we will find with NIL is that there will be quite a few that will take the money and run. Just another example how money, in the end, ruins things that were once good.

I don't know how this NIL stuff will pan out in the end. But right here, right now I feel it has evened the playing field.

[plantmanky]

Once the NBA allows HS grads again College Basketball will change again. It would be best for UK to get a young gun coach at that point.


UK just isnt the job it once was.

[WVRed]

Once the NBA allows HS grads again College Basketball will change again. It would be best for UK to get a young gun coach at that point.


UK just isnt the job it once was.

UK is still the same job. Cal just isn’t the same coach he once was.

The rest of the league has figured out the dribble drive. The SEC has gotten better and will continue to get better.

I said at the start of the season the next two years are Cals best chances to win another championship. He’s returning a POY with a solid supporting cast this year and next year has the best recruiting class since the early part of his tenure in Lexington. From this point in the season though I am not sure Cal will ever win another title.

[Big Red Smokey]

Well, UK is the new Indiana

A senile old man with a God complex who answers to nobody has destroyed the program from within.

This is just sad at this point. On pace for about 45 points tonight

[WVRed]

Well, UK is the new Indiana

A senile old man with a God complex who answers to nobody has destroyed the program from within.

This is just sad at this point. On pace for about 45 points tonight

That lifetime contract is coming home to roost.

Coach K deserved a lifetime contract as he had been at Duke for decades. Cal did not.

Cal warned about the chemistry issues on this team. Ultimately though, that’s on him to get it fixed. This team may not even make the NCAA tournament (no quality wins) which will have set up the worst three year run in Kentucky basketball history.

I hope I’m right and Cal is gone after next season. Just really tired of the underachieving and BSing the fans just because he can.

[cumberlandreds]

I think we all knew at some point Cal's magic would wear off, I think we can safely say it has now. What is happening is what I predicted, that fans would turn on him in vengeance. I believe most fans really detest the one and done thing. But we all went along with it while he was winning big. Now the big winning has stopped and its going to be very ugly.

[WVRed]

I think we all knew at some point Cal's magic would wear off, I think we can safely say it has now. What is happening is what I predicted, that fans would turn on him in vengeance. I believe most fans really detest the one and done thing. But we all went along with while he was winning big. Now the big winning has stopped and its going to be very ugly.

Listening to Matt Jones. Dan Wolken put it best: 2023 basketball vs 2013 basketball.

This team isn’t having any fun either. It’s miserable.

[cumberlandreds]

That lifetime contract is coming home to roost.

Coach K deserved a lifetime contract as he had been at Duke for decades. Cal did not.

Cal warned about the chemistry issues on this team. Ultimately though, that’s on him to get it fixed. This team may not even make the NCAA tournament (no quality wins) which will have set up the worst three year run in Kentucky basketball history.

I hope I’m right and Cal is gone after next season. Just really tired of the underachieving and BSing the fans just because he can.

Coach K deserved a lifetime contract because he won multiple championships as much as anything. Cal has won one. No, I don't believe this team will make the NCAA's, The SEC is as good as I have ever seen it. They aren't beating any of those teams that are currently ranked and probably not many of those that are not ranked.

I have hesitated on write this as I don't to be known as the angry old man but I guess I am. :) I am just about done with college sports. I don't like the changes that have happened in just the last couple of years. I really think its to the detriment more than a help. For me it really started with Cal and his one and done teams. As I said in another post I went along with it because they were winning big. How could you criticize it much as long as the wins piled up. But that has stopped and things are going to get very ugly before he is finally forced out. I honestly like to see players develop over a 3 or 4 year period. Watch them grow and mature into very good players which usually make for good teams. For me much it was more satisfying but that was lost when Cal came along.

The changes in the colleges sports in total recently I have just despised. The NIL has just fully professionalized the college sports. I know players were getting things under the table in the past and that wasn't good either. But now the NIL makes it just that much more a business and leads you down a rabbit hole of many other abuses. Also I don't like this "free agency" for the athletes. Its just too easy for a player up and quit basically. Sometimes you just have to stick out a place and more often than not it works out. Now every player has to be re-recruited every year. This has to be awfully wearing on coaches to have to do this. Like the NIL it just opened up a new can of worms. The last thing that has been happening in recent years, mainly in football is "opting out" if you don't like the bowl game your team is going to. I fully understand why many are doing this but I still consider it no more than quitting on your team. If you begin a season in the month of August with a team and go through the 12 game season with them then it should be expected that you play in a bowl game no matter if it's in Shreveport Louisiana. I really have no respect for the players that have done this. In my book they are quitters. Quite honestly if I were an NFL team I would be very skeptical of using a draft pick on someone like this. It show supreme selfishness and some one who would not give their all or sacrifice for the over all good of team.

In no way am I trying to criticize anyone that still like colleges sports with all of these changes. If you do, then that's great. I'm sure there is still much to get joy from. You may be a much more forward thinking person than I. I may be just too idealistic. But I just don't like these changes and I am quickly drawing away from them. If you had told me that I would be this way just three years ago I would have said you are crazy. As I found out in recent years things change quickly and sometimes changes just aren't for the better.

[Sea Ray]

UK fans, you've seen this before. Cal takes these one and dones...they of course stumble early on, but come March they're formidable. It's only December. He'll have them playing really good basketball come March. You can't expect one and dones to meld as a team in December

[Assembly Hall]

Well, UK is the new Indiana

A senile old man with a God complex who answers to nobody has destroyed the program from within.

This is just sad at this point. On pace for about 45 points tonight

Indiana fired Knight. Just sayin'.

[WVRed]

UK fans, you've seen this before. Cal takes these one and dones...they of course stumble early on, but come March they're formidable. It's only December. He'll have them playing really good basketball come March. You can't expect one and dones to meld as a team in December

There’s a difference though:

This isn’t a typical Cal one and done team.

They are returning a national player of the year.

In addition unlike previous Cal one and done teams there are key pieces who returned for a second season. This team also features players who came in through the transfer portal, not just high school.

The only major difference in this years team vs last is TyTy Washington vs Cason Wallace. Washington was more of a scorer while Wallace is a better defender.

My expectations were in line for the 2012 team that won it all and the 2015 team that ran the table before losing to Wisconsin. When Cal gets two years with certain players the expectations are there for it to happen.

[Big Red Smokey]

Indiana fired Knight. Just sayin'.

Not for anything on-court.

[Big Red Smokey]

Difference between Stoops and Cal from someone that doesn't have any sort of relationship with either.

Stoops knows how to talk to Kentucky. He literally stated this year was unacceptable, took accountability, and made the necessary changes. He still has that fire in his ass.

Cal peaked after 2015. I think he knew that he would never have a team like this again, and his personal standards changed to making as much money as he can and put players in the NBA, no matter what happened with the program.

Easy to stomach when you are going to Final Fours every year, absolutely unacceptable now.

And it sucks, no one wanted his tenure to end this way, but it's not going to be clean.

[WVRed]

Difference between Stoops and Cal from someone that doesn't have any sort of relationship with either.

Stoops knows how to talk to Kentucky. He literally stated this year was unacceptable, took accountability, and made the necessary changes. He still has that fire in his ass.

Cal peaked after 2015. I think he knew that he would never have a team like this again, and his personal standards changed to making as much money as he can and put players in the NBA, no matter what happened with the program.

Easy to stomach when you are going to Final Fours every year, absolutely unacceptable now.

And it sucks, no one wanted his tenure to end this way, but it's not going to be clean.

Four things happened that got Cal to where he is now.

Orlando Antigua (recruiting)
Kenny Payne (player relations)
John Robic (X and O)
Dewayne Peevy (fan relations)

Coach O is back but the other three are gone and the three things they brought haven’t been adequately replaced.

Stoops still has his flaws. He’s still an ultra conservative coach and despite who the offensive coordinator is he still digs into what he’s comfortable with just like Cal does.

[Big Red Smokey]

Yep, he surrounded himself with Yes Men. He also doesn't listen to anyone but himself anymore. I don't think the assistants have any say in game planning.

Vibes are really bad

[Assembly Hall]

Not for anything on-court.

It appears that way. But the fanbase was growing tired of RMK's lack of post season success. There were many that were happy he got canned, they just didn't like the way it was done. It is what happens when a legend wears out his welcome.

[WVRed]

Yep, he surrounded himself with Yes Men. He also doesn't listen to anyone but himself anymore. I don't think the assistants have any say in game planning.

Vibes are really bad

KT Turner and Chin Coleman weren’t bad hires. Losing Jai Lucas should have never happened but it also shows just how hard it is to work under Cal.

Of the four I mentioned though, when Coach O came back the recruiting is back, the other three things are still in the toilet.

[WVRed]

Kentucky turns away the torch and pitchfork mob by beating Louisville.

Losing today would have brought out the worst in the fanbase (or at least those still watching).

[Sea Ray]

Kentucky turns away the torch and pitchfork mob by beating Louisville.

Losing today would have brought out the worst in the fanbase (or at least those still watching).

Kentucky was never in jeopardy of losing to a 2 win team. Kentucky wins that game 20 out of 20 times. Winning that game doesn't move the needle at all. They lost to the likes of Bellarmine and Lipscomb. Would it have moved the needle on Cal if he beat those teams?

[cumberlandreds]

Kentucky turns away the torch and pitchfork mob by beating Louisville.

Losing today would have brought out the worst in the fanbase (or at least those still watching).

I did watch this game yesterday morning. UK was more aggressive on defense than I had seen them this year. Toppin was great and that type of effort is exactly what they need from. But this UL team is terrible. That is the least amount of talent I have ever seen on a UL team. Payne has a huge rebuilding job ahead of him. If UK had lost that game I believe the fans there would have burnt Rupp Arena down.

[WVRed]

And just like that, Kentucky sucks again.

Worst loss was 34 points in the 70s to Duke and 30 to Tennessee in SEC play. They might challenge both with this game.

[Boston Red]

Calipari to Texas would solve a lot of issues for Kentucky, Texas and Calipari. The rare win, win, win scenario.

[WVRed]

Calipari to Texas would solve a lot of issues for Kentucky, Texas and Calipari. The rare win, win, win scenario.

I would agree with this except I think Cal is past his prime.

He would be a good choice in getting Texas acclimated to the SEC but the days of the dribble drive and winning national championships is done.

If Texas is happy with that they can have him. Just don’t know who Kentucky would go after if Cal left.

[plantmanky]

Coach sucks, players suck, when is spring football?

[WVRed]

What’s funny is Bama fans chanting “Cal to Texas”

Careful what you wish for, Nate Oats would be at the top of a lot of UK fans short list.

[Ky Fried Redleg]

At least this little doggie UK fan found a way to enjoy the game.

https://twitter.com/i/status/1611815220069949441

[cumberlandreds]

I watched the first half and a few minutes into the 2nd half. Alabama was starting to pull away when we had to go out to do some stuff. Thankfully I didn't see it all. This team is just an embarrassment. With about two minutes left in the first half they looked like they just quit. They had hung in there pretty well to that point. Came out in the 2nd half and were just lifeless. I don't know what happened other than they just decided to quit. Other than BCG's teams I don't think I have ever seen a team be so bad. They just don't care. I still believe it goes back to the NIL money they are getting. They have their money and they don't care. Also some jealousy's, I'm sure, are there about money some are getting. That goes for the coach too. He looks like he has checked out. Cal has all but killed my interest in Kentucky basketball. I put up with it while they were winning big but I can't say I truly enjoyed it that much knowing most of the players he had were there one season and they would be gone. Yes I'm still watching some, mainly out of habit and hoping forlornly that something may change. But I see with this team it is not. They will continue to embarrass the rest the season with more blow out losses to Tennessee, Auburn, Kansas and Arkansas. Maybe even to some others.

I will say Alabama is really good. They should be a contender for the national title. Oats has it going down there and he would be crazy to leave it for Texas or anywhere for that matter.

[Assembly Hall]

What’s funny is Bama fans chanting “Cal to Texas”

Careful what you wish for, Nate Oats would be at the top of a lot of UK fans short list.

Short list?

[Sea Ray]

I watched the first half and a few minutes into the 2nd half. Alabama was starting to pull away when we had to go out to do some stuff. Thankfully I didn't see it all. This team is just an embarrassment. With about two minutes left in the first half they looked like they just quit. They had hung in there pretty well to that point. Came out in the 2nd half and were just lifeless. I don't know what happened other than they just decided to quit. Other than BCG's teams I don't think I have ever seen a team be so bad. They just don't care. I still believe it goes back to the NIL money they are getting. They have their money and they don't care. Also some jealousy's, I'm sure, are there about money some are getting. That goes for the coach too. He looks like he has checked out. Cal has all but killed my interest in Kentucky basketball. I put up with it while they were winning big but I can't say I truly enjoyed it that much knowing most of the players he had were there one season and they would be gone. Yes I'm still watching some, mainly out of habit and hoping forlornly that something may change. But I see with this team it is not. They will continue to embarrass the rest the season with more blow out losses to Tennessee, Auburn, Kansas and Arkansas. Maybe even to some others.

I will say Alabama is really good. They should be a contender for the national title. Oats has it going down there and he would be crazy to leave it for Texas or anywhere for that matter.

I think Alabama is the class of the SEC this year but 52 pts for UK? You mention NIL, what is Oscar getting in NIL money?

As for Cal, can Kentucky get out of his contract?

[WVRed]

I think Alabama is the class of the SEC this year but 52 pts for UK? You mention NIL, what is Oscar getting in NIL money?

As for Cal, can Kentucky get out of his contract?

If Cal leaves on his own (which is why Texas is being floated). They could pay Cal probably what he’s making at Kentucky. Would they though?

[Sea Ray]

If Cal leaves on his own (which is why Texas is being floated). They could pay Cal probably what he’s making at Kentucky. Would they though?

I think that's a Kentucky dream in order to get him out of Lexington. I don't see him making it that easy on UK

[WVRed]

I think that's a Kentucky dream in order to get him out of Lexington. I don't see him making it that easy on UK

It’s to the point that supposedly Texas reached out through back channels and both sides have denied it today.

If Cal does leave there isn’t another coach of that caliber available and UK fans are being asked to trust Mitch Barnhart to make the decision on his replacement. Billy Gillespie and Joker Phillips are reasons to make UK fans shudder at the thought.

[WVRed]

Just lost to South Carolina. Worst team in the SEC.

[Sea Ray]

At Rupp no less. I don't get it. Hope you keep playing like this on Saturday

[cumberlandreds]

Should be no doubt at all now this team has quit on Cal. We are officially now in BCG territory.

[cumberlandreds]

It’s to the point that supposedly Texas reached out through back channels and both sides have denied it today.

If Cal does leave there isn’t another coach of that caliber available and UK fans are being asked to trust Mitch Barnhart to make the decision on his replacement. Billy Gillespie and Joker Phillips are reasons to make UK fans shudder at the thought.

IMO, UK will settle up with Cal and then show the door to Barnhart. It will be an ugly spring and summer in UK land.

[WVRed]

Kentucky wins in Knoxville.

This needs to be the lineup moving forward:
PG-Wallace
SG-Frederick
SF-Reeves
PF-Toppin
C-Oscar

Wheeler needs buried at the bottom of the bench.

[cumberlandreds]

Kentucky wins in Knoxville.

This needs to be the lineup moving forward:
PG-Wallace
SG-Frederick
SF-Reeves
PF-Toppin
C-Oscar

Wheeler needs buried at the bottom of the bench.

I had other things needing done today and just saw they won. Couldn't believe it. Tennessee must not be as good as they are cracked up to be to lose to a team like Kentucky on their home floor. I agree with you about Wheeler. He is a terrible point guard. Have no idea what Cal saw in him. Way too many turnovers and bad decisions. Also can't shoot a lick. As long as Cal plays him major minutes this team won't do anything. Maybe they can turn it around and do something with this season now. Although I don't expect any type of run that would bring a championship. Talent is way over rated and just not enough for a big run in March. Enjoy the win. Its always good to beat Tennessee in anything. :)

[Ky Fried Redleg]

Kentucky wins in Knoxville.

This needs to be the lineup moving forward:
PG-Wallace
SG-Frederick
SF-Reeves
PF-Toppin
C-Oscar

Wheeler needs buried at the bottom of the bench.

Just posted that somewhere else. It's a no-brainer. They are more fluid and seem more comfortable without Wheeler on the floor. Those have to be the FIVE that are on the floor the most if they are to make a tournament run.

[plantmanky]

Everyone needs to relax, Tennessee is known for choking. This UK team is still bad.

[WVRed]

Everyone needs to relax, Tennessee is known for choking. This UK team is still bad.

It gives them a Quad 1 win which puts their tournament hopes squarely on life support.

Tennessee has also had Kentuckys number since Rick Barnes took over. They also were the top defensive team in the country as well.

I do agree though this team is still bad but it will only be as bad as the coach who will go back to what he knows once everyone is healthy. Wheeler being hurt today won them the game.

[cumberlandreds]

Impressive numbers put up by Oscar the other night. 37 and 24. First 30 and 20 night by a UK player since 1976,Mike Phillips. I watched this game against UGA last night. UGA has good guards but nothing inside. Oscar took advantage of that, especially in the 2nd half. Still UK struggled until near the end of the game when finally pulled away.

https://www.on3.com/teams/kentucky-wildcats/news/where-oscar-tshiebwe-performance-ranks-among-most-dominant-john-calipari-era/

[goreds2]

4 wins in a row.

[cumberlandreds]

Cal has trimmed his rotation down to 8 and has been limiting Wheeler's time on the floor. Although he did play 22 minutes last night and apparently played well. He seems to be mostly using a three guard lineup which is best for this team. I haven't watch last nights game yet but from what I have read it was a good complete performance. Vandy was undermanned as their starting center was out and another player out due to injury. So that helped. This isn't a national championship contending team but they may win enough to make it into the tourney. A struggling Kansas team is next in Rupp. A win Saturday night would go a long way in solidifying a tourney berth.

https://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/boxscore/_/gameId/401484576

[UKFlounder]

Back to reality tonight.


NIT is looking more and more possible and Kansas tightens it’s grip as the winningest program in the sport

[cumberlandreds]

Not surprised at all UK lost. They aren't as talented as Kansas for one thing and Kansas was just not going to lose four in a row. Still how do you not guard Jaylen Wilson? He was open all night long and just kept knocking down shots to no ones surprise. Also Oscar couldn't handle Adams. Adams owned him in the 2nd half. I'll give Kansas credit, every time UK made a charge at them in the 2nd half they had an answer. That's a mark of champion. Kansas will be tough out in March.

[plantmanky]

Not surprised at all UK lost. They aren't as talented as Kansas for one thing and Kansas was just not going to lose four in a row. Still how do you not guard Jaylen Wilson? He was open all night long and just kept knocking down shots to no ones surprise. Also Oscar couldn't handle Adams. Adams owned him in the 2nd half. I'll give Kansas credit, every time UK made a charge at them in the 2nd half they had an answer. That's a mark of champion. Kansas will be tough out in March.

Players dont know how to win big games, its that simple.

[WVRed]

15 point home loss to Arkansas.

1-7 in Quad 1 games.

Haven’t heard the Cal to Texas rumors for awhile.

[cumberlandreds]

15 point home loss to Arkansas.

1-7 in Quad 1 games.

Haven’t heard the Cal to Texas rumors for awhile.

I have just read about the game and haven't and probably will not watch it. But the same old story. Oscar and basically the rest of the team doesn't defend and shooters can't shoot. Cal has been saying some really weird things about his decisions about playing or not playing certain players. Oscar last night vs playing Collins when Collins was doing very well. Also when he decided not to play Wallace in a recent game but defending why he was playing Wheeler when he was injured in the same game. I think Cal is in panic mode knowing he has lost control and he can't figure out how to get it back on track. This loss was a near killer for the NCAA's. Not many opportunities for quad 1 wins. It makes winning against Tennessee, Auburn and at Arkansas necessary to make the tourney. I honestly can't see them win any of those three. NIT here we come. :rolleyes:

[WVRed]

I have just read about the game and haven't and probably will not watch it. But the same old story. Oscar and basically the rest of the team doesn't defend and shooters can't shoot. Cal has been saying some really weird things about his decisions about playing or not playing certain players. Oscar last night vs playing Collins when Collins was doing very well. Also when he decided not to play Wallace in a recent game but defending why he was playing Wheeler when he was injured in the same game. I think Cal is in panic mode knowing he has lost control and he can't figure out how to get it back on track. This loss was a near killer for the NCAA's. Not many opportunities for quad 1 wins. It makes winning against Tennessee, Auburn and at Arkansas necessary to make the tourney. I honestly can't see them win any of those three. NIT here we come. :rolleyes:

Haven’t watched many games lately with them being 9:00 tips and having to be up at 4 am for work.

This might be the most disappointing Kentucky team since some of Tubbys. Kinda reminds you of the Team Turmoil days.

[Sea Ray]

Haven’t watched many games lately with them being 9:00 tips and having to be up at 4 am for work.

This might be the most disappointing Kentucky team since some of Tubbys. Kinda reminds you of the Team Turmoil days.

2020-21 gotta be worse, right? 9-16

[WVRed]

2020-21 gotta be worse, right? 9-16

Record wise, yes.

In terms of preseason expectations, this team has it beat.

[cumberlandreds]

Haven’t watched many games lately with them being 9:00 tips and having to be up at 4 am for work.

This might be the most disappointing Kentucky team since some of Tubbys. Kinda reminds you of the Team Turmoil days.

Very much like that Team Turmoil. There has to be a lot of dissension on this team. They play like a team that does not like each other.

Yes I DVR all of these late games. Although I work mostly from home now I still get up early to start the work day. I watch them if they win or play well. I'm just not in to wasting my time on teams that seemingly don't care.

[Ky Fried Redleg]

I have just read about the game and haven't and probably will not watch it. But the same old story. Oscar and basically the rest of the team doesn't defend and shooters can't shoot. Cal has been saying some really weird things about his decisions about playing or not playing certain players. Oscar last night vs playing Collins when Collins was doing very well. Also when he decided not to play Wallace in a recent game but defending why he was playing Wheeler when he was injured in the same game. I think Cal is in panic mode knowing he has lost control and he can't figure out how to get it back on track. This loss was a near killer for the NCAA's. Not many opportunities for quad 1 wins. It makes winning against Tennessee, Auburn and at Arkansas necessary to make the tourney. I honestly can't see them win any of those three. NIT here we come. :rolleyes:



What I found really upsetting late in the game(about 3 or 4 min left) with UK down 10-14 pts was the gesturing and laughing it up on the UK bench. Not sure how many were doing it but I know Wheeler and Collins were two of them. It's a pet peeve. I don't like my teams' players to be unphased by bad losses.

[Ky Fried Redleg]

Very much like that Team Turmoil. There has to be a lot of dissension on this team. They play like a team that does not like each other.

Yes I DVR all of these late games. Although I work mostly from home now I still get up early to start the work day. I watch them if they win or play well. I'm just not in to wasting my time on teams that seemingly don't care.

See above post.

[dubc47834]

Watching UK/UGA game, Coach Cal just isn't a great coach.

[Assembly Hall]

Watching UK/UGA game, Coach Cal just isn't a great coach.

Big Blue Nation is not happy right now.

[cumberlandreds]

Watching UK/UGA game, Coach Cal just isn't a great coach.

Nope never has been.

That loss takes care of this season. Hopefully they will not accept and NIT bid. If they even get one of those.

[Sea Ray]

Big Blue Nation is not happy right now.

Neither is Big Orange country

[Assembly Hall]

Neither is Big Orange country

LOL

[Assembly Hall]

CBB is better with UK in the NCAAT. That being said, it doesn't bother me one bit that the Cayuts are struggling. There is a God. lol

[Boston Red]

CBB is better with UK in the NCAAT.

Can't say I agree. Though their presence certainly added something last year.

[goreds2]

Now playing Tennessee on CBS.

[goreds2]

UK leads 39-19 at halftime.

[goreds2]

UK leads 39-19 at halftime.

Kentucky moves into third place in SEC.

[UKFlounder]

Just a weird season

[cumberlandreds]

Any win against Tennessee is a good win in my book.:) This helps their chances but they still just need to win every time out to make sure they get in the tourney. Any more bad losses they won't get there. Overall a good effort today by all. They need that every time. A trip to Gainesville is next followed by Auburn and Vandy at home. They really need all three of those.

[Ky Fried Redleg]

Any win against Tennessee is a good win in my book.:) This helps their chances but they still just need to win every time out to make sure they get in the tourney. Any more bad losses they won't get there. Overall a good effort today by all. They need that every time. A trip to Gainesville is next followed by Auburn and Vandy at home. They really need all three of those.

They should win those three but who knows this season. Castleton is out for Florida. We should win with him out. Then should take care of business at home. I believe they win at least three of the last four.

Kentucky seems to be a really bad matchup for Tennessee. This time of year it's all about matchups. If the Vols played offense like they do defense they would win it all.

[WVRed]

They should win those three but who knows this season. Castleton is out for Florida. We should win with him out. Then should take care of business at home. I believe they win at least three of the last four.

Kentucky seems to be a really bad matchup for Tennessee. This time of year it's all about matchups. If the Vols played offense like they do defense they would win it all.

What’s crazy is Rick Barnes has always had Cals number.

[Sea Ray]

They should win those three but who knows this season. Castleton is out for Florida. We should win with him out. Then should take care of business at home. I believe they win at least three of the last four.

Kentucky seems to be a really bad matchup for Tennessee. This time of year it's all about matchups. If the Vols played offense like they do defense they would win it all.

The Vols made one jumpshot in the 1st half yesterday. I think they just don't have a lot offensive talent

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What’s crazy is Rick Barnes has always had Cals number.

First time since 2011-12 that the Wildcats have swept the Vols

[WVRed]

The Vols made one jumpshot in the 1st half yesterday. I think they just don't have a lot offensive talent

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First time since 2011-12 that the Wildcats have swept the Vols

To be fair I think if UK plays Tennessee in the SEC Tournament I would take the Vols in a grudge match.

I don’t see it happening but if Kentucky would win out from here forward plus win the SEC Tournament how much it would improve their resume?

[Bourgeois Zee]

I don’t see it happening but if Kentucky would win out from here forward plus win the SEC Tournament how much it would improve their resume?

5 seed, IMO, if they win out.

Unless they beat Alabama along the way. Then maybe a four seed.

I think they're now a 7-10 seed.