4-23-22 Reds vs Cardinals 4:10 PM

[Ron Madden]

Reds
1. Tyler Naquin (L) RF
2. Brandon Drury (R) DH
3. Tommy Pham (R) LF
4. Joey Votto (L) 1B
5. Kyle Farmer (R) SS
6. Nick Senzel (R) CF
7. Colin Moran (L) 3B
8. Alejo Lopez (S) 2B
9. Aramis Garcia (R) C
SP Tyler Mahle (R)

Cardinals
1. Tommy Edman (S) 2B
2. Paul Goldschmidt (R) 1B
3. Dylan Carlson (S) RF
4. Nolan Arenado (R) 3B
5. Corey Dickerson (L) DH
6. Lars Nootbaar (L) LF
7. Harrison Bader (R) CF
8. Paul DeJong (R) SS
9. Andrew Knizner (R) C
SP Dakota Hudson (R)

[NebraskaRed]

Good to see Naquin back

[NebraskaRed]

Also, no Molina or Pujols for a second straight day. That's interesting.

[mth123]

Good to see Naquin back

No Aquino. Finally.

Who did the Reds send down. Not Moran. Friedl? Riddle? Aquino? Guessing Friedl lefty hitting OF, same as Naquin.

[NebraskaRed]

No Aquino. Finally.

Who did the Reds send down. Not Moran. Friedl? Riddle? Aquino? Guessing Friedl lefty hitting OF, same as Naquin.

Friedl

[KeefeCato]

No Aquino. Finally.

Who did the Reds send down. Not Moran. Friedl? Riddle? Aquino? Guessing Friedl lefty hitting OF, same as Naquin.

Yes Friedl and transfered Daniel Durate for 15 day to 60 day IL.

[KeefeCato]

Let's hope Mahle has a bounce back and ends this disaster losing streak. As much as I love Reds baseball. This has been hard to watch. Feels like as soon as the opponent scores the game is over.

[Old school 1983]

The Reds have a full 5 starters in the actual starting lineup. And Moran versus a righty. With Mahle pitching they might win.

[KeefeCato]

Just watched Cabrera get 3,000. Congrats to him.

[Ron Madden]

Just watched Cabrera get 3,000. Congrats to him.

Me too!

[malcontent]

Even given the current lack of options, Drury at 2 and Farmer and Senzel at 5-6 doesn't make any sense against a RHP. I'd sit Senzel for Fraley and drop Drury and Farmer down. I'd also try Lopez at leadoff and have Naquin hit cleanup. And Moran should be the DH, not Drury. Bell has everything all jumbled up!

1. Alejo Lopez (S) 2B
2. Tommy Pham (R) LF
3. Joey Votto (L) 1B
4. Tyler Naquin (L) RF
5. Brandon Drury (R) 3B
6. Colin Moran (L) DH
7. Aramis Garcia (R) C
8. Jake Fraley (L) CF
9. Kyle Farmer (R) SS

[NebraskaRed]

I've made fun of Moran plenty so it's fair to point out that he has 4 hits in his last 2 games.

[Ky Fried Redleg]

Just watched Cabrera get 3,000. Congrats to him.

Terrific hitter. He deserves the accolades.

[Ky Fried Redleg]

Which Bengal is throwing out the first pitch today ?

I vote for my hometown guy , Trent Taylor(remember the two-pt. conversion against the Chiefs in the AFC title game?) I watched Trent play pee wee ball growing up here in our hometown.

[Ron Madden]

I don't understand the outrage of who throws out the first pitch.

Major League Baseball has a long tradition of honoring people by inviting them to throw out the first pitch.

Its nothing to get upset about.

[Strikes Out Looking]

I don't understand the outrage of who those out the first pitch.

Major League Baseball has a long tradition of honoring people by inviting them to throw out the first pitch.

Its nothing to get upset about.

I'd really like to see the honor go to Phil Castellini, maybe on golf ball or battery day.

[Ky Fried Redleg]

I don't understand the outrage of who those out the first pitch.

Major League Baseball has a long tradition of honoring people by inviting them to throw out the first pitch.

Its nothing to get upset about.



I've not seen a single person on here who indicated they they are outraged. Not a one. I know I'm certainly not outraged. I'm not outraged with anything an owner does with his team. It's his money. And I don't give my money to him. I have seen folks , including myself, WM , and others say that they thought it was kinda sad that Phil keeps bringing Bengals out to throw pitches. Once was probably sufficient. Maybe it's his way of trying to appease fans. I have no idea. If I were the Bengals I would refuse any further invitations to appear at any Reds' function as long as this ownership is in charge. The Bengals don't need the Reds at this point. They are champions and Bengals' ownership continues to show its willingness to pay for more championships.

[Ky Fried Redleg]

I'd really like to see the honor go to Phil Castellini, maybe on golf ball or battery day.

Instead of trotting out Eli Apple to throw a pitch, why not have a "Dunk the Castellinis" night t the ole ball orchard. I think fans would show up in droves to have a chance to send Bob or Phil under water. It would be fun and might indicate to fans that these out of touch owners at least are listening to fan unrest and maybe can even be a little self-deprecating at times. Might actually improve relations between fans and ownership.

What's the use in sending out another Bengal???

[Ron Madden]

I've not seen a single person on here who indicated they they are outraged. Not a one. I know I'm certainly not outraged. I'm not outraged with anything an owner does with his team. It's his money. And I don't give my money to him. I have seen folks , including myself, WM , and others say that they thought it was kinda sad that Phil keeps bringing Bengals out to throw pitches. Once was probably sufficient. Maybe it's his way of trying to appease fans. I have no idea. If I were the Bengals I would refuse any further invitations to appear at any Reds' function as long as this ownership is in charge. The Bengals don't need the Reds at this point. They are champions and Bengals' ownership continues to show its willingness to pay for more championships.

I guess outrage was the are word.
I have seen people say "they are leeching off the success of the only professional winner in town" and "this as a clear attempt to ride the coattails of the successful franchise in town"

NOBODY buys tickets to watch ANYBODY throw out the first pitch.

[traderumor]

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Pretty good seats

[Ron Madden]

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Pretty good seats

Hope you and your children enjoy the game, bring home a winner!!!

[gagliano]

I've not seen a single person on here who indicated they they are outraged. Not a one. I know I'm certainly not outraged. I'm not outraged with anything an owner does with his team. It's his money. And I don't give my money to him. I have seen folks , including myself, WM , and others say that they thought it was kinda sad that Phil keeps bringing Bengals out to throw pitches. Once was probably sufficient. Maybe it's his way of trying to appease fans. I have no idea. If I were the Bengals I would refuse any further invitations to appear at any Reds' function as long as this ownership is in charge. The Bengals don't need the Reds at this point. They are champions and Bengals' ownership continues to show its willingness to pay for more championships.

Ron is the daddy of reds zone. He makes the rules. Don't go against daddy.

[Ron Madden]

Ron is the daddy of reds zone. He makes the rules. Don't go against daddy.

WRONG

[missionhockey21]

I'd really like to see the honor go to Phil Castellini, maybe on golf ball or battery day.
When Phil gets announced as the winner of the Tundra (or whatever big red truck is out in the OF):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4HEPf6wO-A8

Edit: Put clip in the video tags.

[0-2 Count]

Today is the day. I feel it!

[Ironman92]

Also, no Molina or Pujols for a second straight day. That's interesting.

Just a break for the old guys while playing a frontier league team

[malcontent]

WRONG
Baby-daddy?

[CaiGuy]

Ron is the daddy of reds zone. He makes the rules. Don't go against daddy.

I mean, yeah this, but not sarcastically. Ron is the one of the nicest and most knowledgeable posters on the board, and a true fan of the game. It would be a better place if all learned from him.

That said, they have to win eventually, right? Right??

[Ironman92]

Over/under 4.5 future HOFers playing in this series?

[Joeyjection19]

I'm concerned about what it means that I'm watching this on such a beautiful day.

[Ironman92]

Cubs up 16-0 in the 5th on the Pirates

[Ron Madden]

I mean, yeah this, but not sarcastically. Ron is the one of the nicest and most knowledgeable posters on the board, and a true fan of the game. It would be a better place if all learned from him.

That said, they have to win eventually, right? Right??

Thank you for the kind words Calguy.
There are plenty of posters here more knowledgeable than me. I sincerely appreciate the compliment.

[Joeyjection19]

Over/under 4.5 future HOFers playing in this series?

I'll take the under based on thinking that Wainwright won't make it.

[Tom Servo]

I know that's basically a hit no matter what but putting your glove out might have helped, Alejo

[Reds Fanatic]

Back to back one out hits. 1st and 2nd

[TheBigLebowski]

Off to a great start!

[Reds Fanatic]

Big K of Arenado

[NebraskaRed]

Off to a great start!

It actually was pretty good

[Reds Fanatic]

4 pitch walk to Naquin

[TheBigLebowski]

It actually was pretty good

For us, lately? Oh yes. Very good.

Getting thru any first inning with no runs allowed is good.

[NebraskaRed]

Overall, Drury has been a nice surprise

[Ironman92]

I'll take the under based on thinking that Wainwright won't make it.

Pujols
Molina
Votto
Goldschmidt
Arenado

And of course Aquino

[TheBigLebowski]

Pham grounds into a Phillips. So frustrating

[NebraskaRed]

Well, that was disappointing

[Ironman92]

Barrels coming

[NebraskaRed]

Joey Votto, American citizen, makes a nice play

[Reds Fanatic]

Nice play by Votto

[Ironman92]

Goldschmidt unlikely to produce enough the next 4-5 years to make the HOF but he’s a considerable

So likely under

[icehole3]

Cubs 17-0

[Reds Fanatic]

Bader walks and steals 2nd

[Tom Servo]

Cardinals look like a solid ball club.

Why the hell doesn't mine look like that?!?

[Reds Fanatic]

Cubs 17-0

Pretty sad the Cubs have scored 17 today the Reds have scored only 20 in this whole losing streak

[Reds Fanatic]

Another walk

[Tom Servo]

walks will haunt

[NebraskaRed]

I doubt Naquin could have got that ball anyway, but he seems a little...stiff?

[Reds Fanatic]

1-0 Cards on a bloop single

[icehole3]

Pretty sad the Cubs have scored 17 today the Reds have scored only 20 in this whole losing streak

I watched half the game and it was mainly their hitters making solid contact, no automatic outs.

[TheBigLebowski]

Ugh.

[NebraskaRed]

Mahle just wastes so many pitches. Always has, and maybe always will

[Coopdaddy67]

Mahle gives up a third cheap hit of the game.

Wouldn't be an issue if he didn't walk two guys in front of him.

[Tom Servo]

Mahle approaching 45 pitches in just the 2nd.

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Mahle just wastes so many pitches. Always has, and maybe always will
I'm pretty sure this is just who he is, unless maybe the Giants get him and use their pitching magic or something.

[malcontent]

Knizner looked bad on the sliders, so Mahle had to go with the heater.

[durl]

1-0 Cards on a bloop single

A reminder that Exit Velocity is trivial.

[NebraskaRed]

50 pitches but thankfully only 1 run

[TheBigLebowski]

50 pitches thru 2, but he did limit the damage.

[durl]

A hit! (By pitch.)

A baserunner is a baserunner.

And thrown out stealing after 1 pitch. My word...

[NebraskaRed]

And he's out

[Tom Servo]

clown show hit and run attempt, well done gents

[TheBigLebowski]

Farmer isn’t fast enough to steal many bases.

[icehole3]

Cubs 18-0 bases loaded no outs.

[Tom Servo]

Senzel looks brutal up there right now

[NebraskaRed]

https://youtu.be/9Jz1TjCphXE

[VR]

50 pitches thru 2, but he did limit the damage.

Can’t wait to see him traded. Get coached on his approach, and turn into a Cy Young candidate. Just no use for a starter that consistently goes 4 2/3 innings…..could not care less about his k/9, which seems like the focus. Tries to strike every hitter out.

[TheBigLebowski]

I’m starting to think Senzel isn’t that good even when he’s healthy.

[icehole3]

Cubs 20-0 1st 3rd no outs.

[NebraskaRed]

Not to keep dragging Senzel, but what kind of food poisoning or stomach virus or whatever did he have? He was out for a week, and he comes back and looks lifeless.

[malcontent]

I’m starting to think Senzel isn’t that good even when he’s healthy.
I would sit him for Fraley, but Bell isn't about to do that.

[Tadasimha]

Cubs 20-0 1st 3rd no outs.

Now up by three touchdowns

[TheBigLebowski]

Can’t wait to see him traded. Get coached on his approach, and turn into a Cy Young candidate. Just no use for a starter that consistently goes 4 2/3 innings…..could not care less about his k/9, which seems like the focus. Tries to strike every hitter out.

It’s so easy to predict. Heck, why not trade him now? He’s got lots of value, terrible in our home park, we may not win another game this season so there’s no need for him here. Get some talented youth.

[NebraskaRed]

Sadak is reading Redszone

[Tom Servo]

Can’t wait to see him traded. Get coached on his approach, and turn into a Cy Young candidate. Just no use for a starter that consistently goes 4 2/3 innings…..could not care less about his k/9, which seems like the focus. Tries to strike every hitter out.
All for getting on the case of this lousy org but if Mahle somehow doesn't realize his pitch count and wasted pitches is an issue at this point I'd say that's entirely on him.

[TheBigLebowski]

Nice, quick inning - 6 pitches thrown?

[NebraskaRed]

Manny Randhawa
@MannyOnMLB

Cubs/Tigers: 34
Pirates/Rockies: 0

[Tadasimha]

Nice quick 10 pitch inning, just what Mahle needed

[LeatherPants]

I’m trying to remind myself it’s still super early in the season.

[KeefeCato]

Not to keep dragging Senzel, but what kind of food poisoning or stomach virus or whatever did he have? He was out for a week, and he comes back and looks lifeless.

He is looking less and less like a major league starting caliber player. Way too small of a sample size. Hopefully he starts to hit.
May end up being a career platoon guy /bench bat.
But on this current roster he should start. Have to see what he is

[Tom Servo]

alright ump just giving Hudson anything slightly close, cool

[Kc61]

Hudson has a meaningful split, lefties hit him better.

Maybe Bell should have used LHH Fraley instead of Drury or Senzel today.

[NebraskaRed]

This is quite a strike zone

[membengal]

Laz Diaz must have a dinner reservation for 7:00 sharp.

[NebraskaRed]

So that's a ball? I mean, ok, but...

[NebraskaRed]

Strike 2 to Garcia was ball 4 to Lopez

[KronoRed]

Robot umps please.

[Rantly]

I’m starting to think Senzel isn’t that good even when he’s healthy.

Exactly! The one year he was fairly healthy wasn’t all that good IIRR.

[Tom Servo]

of course called out at third

i dont like the aggressive running Reds. they're bad enough at getting anyone on base. Just hope to get a few guys on and hope for a homer.

[TheBigLebowski]

Alright..top of the order with ducks on the pond.

[Tom Servo]

this sucks man lol

[NebraskaRed]

They're playing desperate. I get it, but it's really costing them.

[Boston Red]

That was good aggressive. Just didn't work.

[TheBigLebowski]

ohhhhhh never mind. #%£>%~

[Tom Servo]

That was good aggressive. Just didn't work.
disagree. two runners on in any configuration is a miracle for this team, don't push it.

[NebraskaRed]

That was good aggressive. Just didn't work.

Problem is that these things just keep not working.

[membengal]

On non-Reds specific stuff, re: all the chatter/data about MLB having deadened the ball to start the year - the Cubs and Tigers put up a combined 34 runs today in their respective games - with just 2 HRs between them. Wind blowing out in Wrigley too...

[Boston Red]

disagree. two runners on in any configuration is a miracle for this team, don't push it.

But you're asking for a third hit, which this team is unlikely to get. That would put us in position to score without another hit. Just a nice play to get him.

[Tom Servo]

But you're asking for a third hit, which this team is unlikely to get. That would put us in position to score without another hit. Just a nice play to get him.
It was a reasonable enough move in a vacuum but I just wouldn't push it. This team is horrendous enough without taking risks.

[Boston Red]

Problem is that these things just keep not working.

That's true of being aggressive, not being aggressive, and everything in between. The team just stinks.

[Kc61]

But you're asking for a third hit, which this team is unlikely to get. That would put us in position to score without another hit. Just a nice play to get him.

Yes, but a solid major league team will make the nice play. Can’t anticipate a bad throw.

Sometimes I think Reds are playing for the bad throw by the opposition.

[Boston Red]

Safe

[NebraskaRed]

That's true of being aggressive, not being aggressive, and everything in between. The team just stinks.

I don't think it was the worst idea in the world, and Lopez almost made it happen, but they are playing desperate and these things have to make it even demoralizing for them.

[durl]

Yes, but a solid major league team will make the nice play. Can’t anticipate a bad throw.

Sometimes I think Reds are playing for the bad throw by the opposition.

Our 3B coach believes every throw will be a bad one.

[Boston Red]

Our 3B coach believes every throw will be a bad one.

I don't think that's a third base coach call. The player has to make the decision on that play.

[NebraskaRed]

Mahle always seems to have one bad inning. Whether that's giving up 4 or 5 runs or throwing 30 pitches in the inning.

[Boston Red]

Decent enough outing today if the offense didn't blow. But it does.

[membengal]

I mean, they literally dealt away/didn't re-sign 3/4 of the middle of their line-up. In addition to the tangible loss, they also let go/traded the beating heart of the leaders in the clubhouse. Even if healthy this team was gonna struggle.

[TheBigLebowski]

Leadoff batter on. LETS GO.

[NebraskaRed]

Drury with the professional ABs

[Tom Servo]

I mean, they literally dealt away/didn't re-sign 3/4 of the middle of their line-up. In addition to the tangible loss, they also let go/traded the beating heart of the leaders in the clubhouse. Even if healthy this team was gonna struggle.
I didn't think this team was gonna be good but I didn't think they'd go 2018 Orioles to start the year.

[NebraskaRed]

And double play. Pham again.

[TheBigLebowski]

Pham..Holy crap. 2 of those in 4 innings??

[RedTeamGo!]

I mean, they literally dealt away/didn't re-sign 3/4 of the middle of their line-up. In addition to the tangible loss, they also let go/traded the beating heart of the leaders in the clubhouse. Even if healthy this team was gonna struggle.

I agree with the overall sentiment, but Suarez was negative value last year

[NebraskaRed]

Boos seem to motivate Pham a whole lot. We might wanna look into that.

[Kc61]

Reds wRC+ going into today was the worst in baseball, 53, league average 100. Next worse team at 74.

I knew the power would be light this year, but what a terrible offense so far.

[RedTeamGo!]

I can’t imagine what the Castellinis are thinking right now (other hand “man, it’s so fun being rich”)

[membengal]

I didn't think this team was gonna be good but I didn't think they'd go 2018 Orioles to start the year.

I just can't help but think back on Castellanos's fire, Suarez's vibing, Winker's presence. All three of those guys were some version of clubhouse leader. I think they were really good for Joey too. And then in a blink of an eye, all gone. For payflex or whatever. Not even a phone call to Castellanos to see what was in his mind. The guys still here... I just don't think they've recovered from that loss. Add in the injuries and you get...whatever this is. Further add in relying on really young guys like Greene and Lodolo (and SanMartin for now) for innings, and, well, yeah.

[membengal]

I agree with the overall sentiment, but Suarez was negative value last year

And yet, in September, he appeared to find something. Which has carried over. That's on the tangibles. on the intangibles, even when struggling, he brought something. Not sure what Moran is bringing. But, hey, he's cheaper, so that's good.

[membengal]

Pretty day for baseball though. Hope the fans are getting the start of a tan.

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I mean, Suarez was enough of good team-first guy he took the bullet and tried to play SS for this team when the front office refused to sign or trade for one last year.

[NebraskaRed]

Once again, Mahle can't put hitters away, wastes too many pitches, walks too many.

He is so good otherwise, which makes it even more frustrating that he does this so often.

[Kc61]

I just can't help but think back on Castellanos's fire, Suarez's vibing, Winker's presence. All three of those guys were some version of clubhouse leader. I think they were really good for Joey too. And then in a blink of an eye, all gone. For payflex or whatever. Not even a phone call to Castellanos to see what was in his mind. The guys still here... I just don't think they've recovered from that loss. Add in the injuries and you get...whatever this is. Further add in relying on really young guys like Greene and Lodolo (and SanMartin for now) for innings, and, well, yeah.

I’d go with - Reds traded away two of their best hitters and a third power guy and didn’t replace them in kind.

I’m not big on presence or leadership making the difference. Guys can step up in the clubhouse. They just cut the heart out of the offense.

[RedTeamGo!]

And yet, in September, he appeared to find something. Which has carried over. That's on the tangibles. on the intangibles, even when struggling, he brought something. Not sure what Moran is bringing. But, hey, he's cheaper, so that's good.

I know Moran is the RZ whipping boy, but come on, he wasn’t the replacement for Suarez. If anything, it was supposed to be Solano.

[VR]

Ugh, ALMOST got the much needed 4 2/3 out of our ace today.


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[NebraskaRed]

I don't think it's hyperbole to say the entire game depends on what Warren can do here.

[Tom Servo]

Pretty cruddy start by Mahle.

They honestly should have just traded him and Castillo, now they’ll probably get even less. Neat.

[membengal]

I know Moran is the RZ whipping boy, but come on, he wasn’t the replacement for Suarez. If anything, it was supposed to be Solano.

that's not better.

[Tom Servo]

I know Moran is the RZ whipping boy, but come on, he wasn’t the replacement for Suarez. If anything, it was supposed to be Solano.
The misplaced rage at Colin Moran is so weird to me. Must be some deep seated issues with gingers on here.

[Indymoon]

Decent enough outing today if the offense didn't blow. But it does.

What offense?

[membengal]

I’d go with - Reds traded away two of their best hitters and a third power guy and didn’t replace them in kind.

I’m not big on presence or leadership making the difference. Guys can step up in the clubhouse. They just cut the heart out of the offense.

baseball isn't JUST the back of the baseball card. It's a long season - clubhouse stuff matters too. It was a further loss to this team in the clubhouse, not just on the field. I stand by that.

[TheBigLebowski]

Mahle should be dealt. This season is over. Mahle’s not an ace you build around -he’s a nice 3/4; a luxury. A finishing touch for a competitive team.

[membengal]

The misplaced rage at Colin Moran is so weird to me. Must be some deep seated issues with gingers on here.

What? He's bad. He's a bad player. They brought in a bad player. They traded away/didn't sign good players and brought in bad players. The Redszone need to decide that any move is a good one is also bull****.

[NebraskaRed]

Excellent K

[NebraskaRed]

Reds are currently unable to score more than 2 runs a game, so this is kind of a critical moment.

[JohnnyBench5]

Oh No! We suck again!

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[Tom Servo]

What? He's bad. He's a bad player. They brought in a bad player. They traded away/didn't sign good players and brought in bad players. The Redszone need to decide that any move is a good one is also bull****.
The Reds are not 2-12 because of Colin Moran and the guys been a whipping boy since spring training games that didn’t matter in the least. So yes to me it’s 100% misplaced rage. Cutting Moran tomorrow is fine by me but still leaves like 6-7 guys who are still playing worse than he is right now.

[Kc61]

baseball isn't JUST the back of the baseball card. It's a long season - clubhouse stuff matters too. It was a further loss to this team in the clubhouse, not just on the field. I stand by that.

Ok, but we don’t know that the club now lacks leaders. There are other veteran players.

We do know that the Reds lack hitters.

[membengal]

It's not rage. That's a you thing. You like to, and always have, gone passive aggressive in these discussions. Moran is tangential to the larger point, but thanks for your usual deflection. You do you.

[Kc61]

Mahle should be dealt. This season is over. Mahle’s not an ace you build around -he’s a nice 3/4; a luxury. A finishing touch for a competitive team.

Mahle and Castillo should both be traded. Or extend them, which won’t happen. Assuming the market for them is there as we approach the deadline.

[JohnnyBench5]

Did we pull mahle in the 4th?

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[TheBigLebowski]

Good job by Artie

[membengal]

I would like the Reds to have less bad players. I would like them to have targeted and aggressively acquired less bad players. Moran is one of those bad players. It's a non-point to say "he could be worse". Sure. He could also be a ****ton better. But that's not a conversation Tom wants to have. So he deflects.

[Tom Servo]

It's not rage. That's a you thing. You like to, and always have, gone passive aggressive in these discussions. Moran is tangential to the larger point, but thanks for your usual deflection. You do you.
Alright mem. I’ve got literally 0 problem with you so try taking a breath. I simply don’t give a **** about Colin Moran, sorry I questioned the RZ choice of human piñata.

[NebraskaRed]

Heading into the bottom of the 5th.

The Reds have 1 hit.

[membengal]

I also think putting eggs into Solano's basket was bad. Etc. Etc. Etc. Etc. Etc.

[NebraskaRed]

I also think putting eggs into Solano's basket was bad. Etc. Etc. Etc. Etc. Etc.

You're obviously free to post whatever you want, but is it just hitting you right now that this team isn't good? And the offseason was bad?

[TheBigLebowski]

Mahle and Castillo should both be traded. Or extend them, which won’t happen. Assuming the market for them is there as we approach the deadline.

Most likely not. So the time to trade them is nigh.

Course, I have no faith in the guy making the trades.

[Tom Servo]

I would like the Reds to have less bad players. I would like them to have targeted and aggressively acquired less bad players. Moran is one of those bad players. It's a non-point to say "he could be worse". Sure. He could also be a ****ton better. But that's not a conversation Tom wants to have. So he deflects.
I don’t wanna have any conversations about this ****ty team. There’s like nothing to say. They suck. But I guess now me AND Colin Moran are why everything is terrible. Fine. Have a good one man, I’m drinking a beer and chilling.

[membengal]

Alright mem. I’ve got literally 0 problem with you so try taking a breath. I simply don’t give a **** about Colin Moran, sorry I questioned the RZ choice of human piñata.

I have no idea who the **** feels what about Colin Moran. There isn't a meeting where these things are decided. This was an 83 win team last year that dealt away good and useful players and in the Moran instance brought in one that the 61 win team was super happy to no longer employ. But, yes, Moran is not a singular problem. He's but one of many.

[membengal]

I don’t wanna have any conversations about this ****ty team. There’s like nothing to say. They suck. But I guess now me AND Colin Moran are why everything is terrible. Fine. Have a good one man, I’m drinking a beer and chilling.

So you are in the game thread to NOT discuss the team? Missed the memo. Is there another thread to discuss this team as we watch the game?

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You're obviously free to post whatever you want, but is it just hitting you right now that this team isn't good? And the offseason was bad?

I forgot the Nebraska rules, my bad. You win, I will censor. Well done. High five to you.

[NebraskaRed]

Hey another hit!

And an XBH at that

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So you are in the game thread to NOT discuss the team? Missed the memo. Is there another thread to discuss this team as we watch the game?

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I forgot the Nebraska rules, my bad. You win, I will censor. Well done. High five to you.

haha man what is up with your aggression level right now?

[JohnnyBench5]

Senzel blows ACL pulling into second...poor guy

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[JohnnyBench5]

I think we should call Moran Fireball.

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[membengal]

Dunno, was just trying to have a conversation and was passive aggressively told to shut up. By two people. So, win.

[JohnnyBench5]

Pirates lost a nailbiter today...poor guys.

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[TheBigLebowski]

Dunno, was just trying to have a conversation and was passive aggressively told to shut up. By two people. So, win.

Happens a lot.

[NebraskaRed]

Dunno, was just trying to have a conversation and was passive aggressively told to shut up. By two people. So, win.

I'll Venmo you 100 dollars right now if you can show me where I told you to shut up.

I literally started my post by saying you're free to say whatever you want.

[Tony Cloninger]

Friedl needed to bat 500 to not be sent down. And even then Bell needs 15 pitchers to survive so he would have anyways.

Is the rule in place for no more then 13 pitchers correct?

[membengal]

I'll Venmo you 100 dollars right now if you can show me where I told you to shut up.

I literally started my post by saying you're free to say whatever you want.

and then added this because you like to censor and control conversations. It's classic you.


but is it just hitting you right now that this team isn't good? And the offseason was bad?

[JohnnyBench5]

Moran...doh!

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[TheBigLebowski]

He who shall not be named just blew a big chance.

[VR]

Did Moran try to barehand that grounder last inning? Did I see that right?


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[NebraskaRed]

and then added this because you like to censor and control conversations. It's classic you.

I like to censor and control conversations? haha. What in the world are you even talking about?

[JohnnyBench5]

We were on pace for 33 wins...and now heading south...

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[Tony Cloninger]

Senzel blows ACL pulling into second...poor guy

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Are you a motivational speaker at a Joy Division fan club.

[JohnnyBench5]

All Moran is missing is an O

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[JohnnyBench5]

We get shut out today...8 runs in 8 games...OUCH!

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[TheBigLebowski]

Ducks stranded. Again.

[NebraskaRed]

Damn

[NebraskaRed]

I know (or assume?) Lopez will be gone when India comes back, but I really feel that we've seen all we need to see from him. Dude looks like he's giving it all he's got, but it just isn't there.

[membengal]

would be nice to see Sims crank up a good inning here.

[RedTeamGo!]

that's not better.

Solano is absolutely better than Moran.

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Pretty cruddy start by Mahle.

They honestly should have just traded him and Castillo, now they’ll probably get even less. Neat.

The time to trade Mahle was last offseason. Last year was his career year. Hindsight 20/20 and all, but I’ve been saying it for awhile with him.

[VR]

I really don’t think Hudson and Mahle’s ‘stuff’ is that different. Each with 3 walks today. Mahle with 86 pitches to get through 4 1/3, Hudson 62 through 5. Anyone see it?


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[VR]

Holy cow! A new player today, and he’s actually a major leaguer!


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[TheBigLebowski]

I really don’t think Hudson and Mahle’s ‘stuff’ is that different. Each with 3 walks today. Mahle with 86 pitches to get through 4 1/3, Hudson 62 through 5. Anyone see it?


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Hudson was pitching against a much weaker lineup. That matters.

[membengal]

Solano is absolutely better than Moran.

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The time to trade Mahle was last offseason. Last year was his career year. Hindsight 20/20 and all, but I’ve been saying it for awhile with him.

ok? maybe? He's 34 with a career OPS of .698. Moran is 29 with a career .746 OPS but, I guess I will take your word for it. Whether it is Solano OR Moran, it's a bad plan. It should have been a non-plan.

[VR]

Hudson was pitching against a much weaker lineup. That matters.

Absolutely. But, you get the idea. It’s every lineup for Mahle.


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[LeatherPants]

Moran is a perfectly fine bench player who, because of the cheap idiots in the front office and injuries is being forced to play more than he should. I have no idea why so much ones and zeros are wasted discussing him, both against him and in defense of him. They have to carry 28 guys, and he’s one of them.

[NebraskaRed]

Senzel...

[membengal]

Was that called a ball because the C had to reach for it? We need robot umps.

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would be nice to see Sims crank up a good inning here.

sigh

[Wonderful Monds]

Senzel...

He’s bad folks

[gagliano]

On non-Reds specific stuff, re: all the chatter/data about MLB having deadened the ball to start the year - the Cubs and Tigers put up a combined 34 runs today in their respective games - with just 2 HRs between them. Wind blowing out in Wrigley too...

I love it. That's real baseball!

[NebraskaRed]

2-0, 4-0

What does it matter when they can't score anyway?

[TheBigLebowski]

Welcome back Lucas!

[RedTeamGo!]

Alright mem. I’ve got literally 0 problem with you so try taking a breath. I simply don’t give a **** about Colin Moran, sorry I questioned the RZ choice of human piñata.

Quit being a troll, Tom

[Tony Cloninger]

He’s bad folks

Well at least if he stays healthy we will know for sure.

[NebraskaRed]

Good play by Lopez

[membengal]

Quit being a troll, Tom

that's not funny. I did not call Tom that. I also don't think people should be saying that about FCB. I do think too many in these threads like to try and squelch conversations and observations in a thread that is literally about that.

[TheBigLebowski]

Well at least if he stays healthy we will know for sure.

I think we might already know.

[MoneyInTheBank]

Dunno, was just trying to have a conversation and was passive aggressively told to shut up. By two people. So, win.

This aggression will not stand, man

[Tom Servo]

Quit being a troll, Tom
Funny that texasdave liked those posts he’s the guy who once called me every vulgar name in the book bc I said I thought Stuart Fairchild was doing better than TJ Friedl. Or maybe it was Friedl doing better than Fairchild. Either way definitely very normal stuff to send grown men into a rage over, just like Colin Moran.

[membengal]

I love it. That's real baseball!

I mean, I suspect that Goldschmidt's ball goes out if a different ball is being used. Ball does seem to be deader per obs and analysis. That's not helping the Reds either. Not that it would have made a big difference I suspect.

[gagliano]

baseball isn't JUST the back of the baseball card. It's a long season - clubhouse stuff matters too. It was a further loss to this team in the clubhouse, not just on the field. I stand by that.

Not suarez. He laughed and giggled and generally had a blast all the way to the end of his horrendous season. If i had a player performing that bad and kaughing it up, i'd bench him or see that he got traded off the team.

[membengal]

Funny that texasdave liked those posts he’s the guy who once called me every vulgar name in the book bc I said I thought Stuart Fairchild was doing better than TJ Friedl. Or maybe it was Friedl doing better than Fairchild. Either way definitely very normal stuff to send grown men into a rage over, just like Colin Moran.

this would be the passive aggressive stuff. No one is in a rage. You like to characterize people like this to control things. You've done it for years. Be better.

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Not suarez. He laughed and giggled and generally had a blast all the way to the end of his horrendous season. If i had a player performing that bad and kaughing it up, i'd bench him or see that he got traded off the team.

that team won 83 games and he without complaint changed positions to try and help. He got hot in September. I have no problems with what Suarez did here and I miss his presence on the team.

[NebraskaRed]

Trust me, if I had the power to censor or control conversations, I certainly would have yesterday when I was mocked by a couple people in a thread for saying I was taking my terminally ill father to a game next week.

Very, very cool stuff.

[LeatherPants]

Not suarez. He laughed and giggled and generally had a blast all the way to the end of his horrendous season. If i had a player performing that bad and kaughing it up, i'd bench him or see that he got traded off the team.

Oh no, not someone who can remain upbeat during the downtimes. That monster!

[membengal]

Trust me, if I had the power to censor or control conversations, I certainly would have yesterday when I was mocked by a couple people in a thread for saying I was taking my terminally ill father to a game next week.

that's horrible. I am sorry some set of people did that. Holding a thought for you and your family and I am glad you are getting to see a game with him next week.

[NebraskaRed]

I guess Hudson is just gonna pitch a complete game then?

[NebraskaRed]

that's horrible. I am sorry some set of people did that. Holding a thought for you and your family and I am glad you are getting to see a game with him next week.

Thanks for saying that.

[Tom Servo]

this would be the passive aggressive stuff. No one is in a rage. You like to characterize people like this to control things. You've done it for years. Be better.
.
Well I literally described above a time where someone completely flew off the handle over nothing and caused me to lose all respect for them, but beyond that I’m perfectly content with calling what you were doing “raging”. Other might call it “sperging” but I do think that’s a rather insensitive term. The point is you sure seemed to be losing your **** and apparently the mistake I made was trying to say “hey you know maybe it’s not such a big deal”. If that makes me this horrible passive aggressive guy, well so be it.

[TheBigLebowski]

That wasn’t the triumphant return I hoped we’d get from Sims.

Tangentially, does this team have anyone who is going to serve as closer? Or are we looking at a committee? I’m fine with a committee. Just thinking out loud.

Course, it doesn’t matter who closes if your team never generates save chances.

[membengal]

It's a discussion on a game thread on a chat board. If entering into that means you get to call me rage-filled, well, I guess you do you. But I think of you better than that, except for, you know, when you are not.

[NebraskaRed]

Thank you for being so slow, Albert

[Tom Servo]

It's a discussion on a game thread on a chat board. If entering into that means you get to call me rage-filled, well, I guess you do you. But I think of you better than that, except for, you know, when you are not.
I like you fine man, I genuinely wasn't trying to start anything.

[membengal]

What's the status on Conforto? Still unsigned? I guess no chance they pay Boras's ransom to get him here on a one-year deal and then deal him in July.

[TheBigLebowski]

What's the status on Conforto? Still unsigned? I guess no chance they pay Boras's ransom to get him here on a one-year deal and then deal him in July.

Purchasing a prospect or 2. It’s solid, outside-the-Cast thinking, unless the cost is just too prohibitive.

Would at least excite the fans a bit. But his price must be exorbitant. He’s been twisting in the wind for weeks.

[NebraskaRed]

Pham hit it to the exact same location all 3 times.

[traderumor]

Thank you for being so slow, Albert

he was embarrassingly and comically slow. Time to retire.

[LeatherPants]

The team sucks, they’re run by idiots, and they’ve lost like 50 in a row. Tempers are going to flare. Everyone take a deep breath and relax. For my part, please forgive any a-hole behavior from me over the last couple of weeks, it’s been a long couple of years this spring.

[traderumor]

Pham hit it to the exact same location all 3 times.

and dogged it to first....

[Ironman92]

Sadak is reading Redszone

More exciting than the game

[Tadasimha]

I mean, I suspect that Goldschmidt's ball goes out if a different ball is being used. Ball does seem to be deader per obs and analysis. That's not helping the Reds either. Not that it would have made a big difference I suspect.

That may be the effect of the humidors the league has in all the parks now. One article about that said one of the the things the baseballs do after being in the humidor is the ball comes off the bat harder initially but doesn't carry as far.

[RedTeamGo!]

What's the status on Conforto? Still unsigned? I guess no chance they pay Boras's ransom to get him here on a one-year deal and then deal him in July.

I think Conforto is hurt. I might be misremembering.

[NebraskaRed]

Cy Hudson

[Ironman92]

I don’t wanna have any conversations about this ****ty team. There’s like nothing to say. They suck. But I guess now me AND Colin Moran are why everything is terrible. Fine. Have a good one man, I’m drinking a beer and chilling.

Wine cooler at best

[membengal]

That may be the effect of the humidors the league has in all the parks now. One article about that said one of the the things the baseballs do after being in the humidor is the ball comes off the bat harder initially but doesn't carry as far.

humidors are a part of it - but several really good tweets this AM that the evidence is pointing to dead ball in addition to the humidor issue.

[Tadasimha]

Wine cooler at best

Thank you for your support

[NebraskaRed]

When's the last time the Reds hit a home run? Pham in San Diego?

[TheBigLebowski]

Nick down on strikes. 3 pitches. Boo.

[LeatherPants]

18239

[membengal]

When's the last time the Reds hit a home run? Pham in San Diego?

yes

[TheBigLebowski]

Hunter Strickland time. We’ll see what he can do in this very low leverage situation.

[NebraskaRed]

yes

Ridiculous

[membengal]

Ridiculous

dead ball, humidors in use, and some of our bigger bats elsewhere or injured. It's a rough combination.

[Tony Cloninger]

18239

18240

[TheBigLebowski]

I’m declaring shenanigans with Strickland. He’s poo.

[NebraskaRed]

I really thought Strickland would be a dependable middle reliever, at least.

I guess not.

[RedTeamGo!]

I get the Reds offense is injured and awful to begin with, but this honestly defies all logic. I legit think you could put most AAA teams in the Reds place and they would be competing better.

[malcontent]

This team is bad, but it's not this bad. I attribute some part of it to having a manager without a pulse.

[NebraskaRed]

I understand there's a difference between what Bell might say to a reporter and what Bell might say to the team.

But publicly, Bell seems as defeated and depressed as anyone watching this game.

Are they trying anything different? Is he doing literally anything to change the trajectory of this team? He never says much more than "every team goes through this" and "we have to keep trying"

[CrosleyVet]

Every player is an all star to Sadak and Larkin

[NebraskaRed]

They're on their way to getting shutout for the 2nd time in 3 games and Bell looks like he needs a nap.

[KeefeCato]

Wondering if they fire Bell soon? Won't make a difference. But it will make the front office look as though they are doing something I guess

[RedTeamGo!]

Wondering if they fire Bell soon? Won't make a difference. But it will make the front office look as though they are doing something I guess

He seems like a nice dude, but he has no sense of urgency

[malcontent]

He seems like a nice dude, but he has no sense of urgency
I always said he would be a great neighbor to have.

[TheBigLebowski]

Some of these guys are going to start hitting. Pham? I’m not so sure. He looked done last season and he’s even worse now.

This may be who he is now.

[NebraskaRed]

3 hits

11 straight losses

[Alabama Red]

Injuries have hurt but Pham and Votto hitting 150 doesn’t even give us a chance. I was thinking Votto would start the year hot.

[Alabama Red]

The problem is they’ll be 20 games under the hen that happens.

[LeatherPants]

He seems like a nice dude, but he has no sense of urgency

Honestly, what’s he supposed to do? Earl Weaver couldn’t do anything with this roster. I guess they could fire him and bring in Larkin, which would be the most Reds thing ever.

[Reds Fanatic]

This team has no fire to it all. Get upset do something they just sleepwalk through these games. I know they have injuries but this is pitiful

[NebraskaRed]

They may never admit it publicly, but Phil Castellini's opening day comments killed whatever hope these players might have felt. And this was on top of already feeling down about the offseason trades.

[Reds Fanatic]

Joel Luckhaupt just posted Reds have scored 9 runs in the last 8 games that is their least amount of runs in an 8 game stretch since 1945

[Reds Fanatic]

Wondering if they fire Bell soon? Won't make a difference. But it will make the front office look as though they are doing something I guess

Yes this mess is not Bell’s fault but they are going to look for scapegoat soon. I am amazed the hitting coach is not gone. They have scored 20 runs in these 11 games less then the Cubs scored today