5-21-22 Reds @ Blue Jays 3'07 PM

[Ron Madden]

Reds
1. TJ Friedl (L) CF
2. Tyler Naquin (L) RF
3. Tommy Pham (R) LF
4. Joey Votto (L) DH
5. Tyler Stephenson (R) C
6. Mike Moustakas (L) 3B
7. Colin Moran (L) 1B
8. Alejo Lopez (S) 2B
9. Matt Reynolds (R) SS
SP Hunter Greene (R)

Blue Jays
1. George Springer (R) CF
2. Bo Bichette (R) SS
3. Vladimir Guerrero (R) DH
4. Teoscar Hernandez (R) RF
5. Santiago Espinal (R) 2B
6. Alejandro Kirk (R) C
7. Matt Chapman (R) 3B
8. Lourdes Gurriel Jr. (R) 1B
9. Raimel Tapia (L) LF
SP Alek Manoah (R)

[Ron Madden]

The Blue Jays. lineup has been added to the original post

[Jaysland Red]

Looking forward to seeing Greene for the first time today, especially up against the Jays ace. Three weeks ago I was dreading coming to see this series but the Reds “improvement” and the Jays slump has made things more interesting. I take my hat off to those on this site that still go to all the home games at GABP as this is the most anonymous Reds line-up I can remember. No-one excites me when they come to the plate. For all the Reds problems, at least they only have to deal with low expectations. With their current golden generation of talent the Jays are supposed to be World Series contenders but there’s a real risk that Guerrero and Bichette will never get to the play-offs with this team. Yesterday, I encountered 10 other Reds fans at the Rogers Centre and they all looked depressed. Still, the home fans gave Votto a genuinely warm round of applause, and the Jays cap in the giveaway yesterday was of good quality.

[Ron Madden]

Louisville Bats
@LouisvilleBats

A little flare on the 6️-4️-3️ from Jose Barrero

watch:
https://mobile.twitter.com/LouisvilleBats/status/1527815707433500672?cxt=HHwWgICwvdGS8rMqAAAA

[Mitri]

Barrero can’t return soon enough.

[KYExtemper]

Just couldn't string enough timely hits together last night. Hopefully we even the series today.

[SomeCallMeTim]

Barrero can’t return soon enough.

And India. Getting sick and tired of seeing Friedl leadoff.

[KeefeCato]

Barrero can’t return soon enough.

They said he would need a extended rehab assignment. Who knows how long that will be. I'd start him for a week then if he has no setbacks get him to Cincinnati and put him at SS and leave him there.

[Ron Madden]

They said he would need a extended rehab assignment. Who knows how long that will be. I'd start him for a week then if he has no setbacks get him to Cincinnati and put him at SS and leave him there.

In the last update about Barrero they said June 6 is the date they expect him to return.

[JCM11]

And India. Getting sick and tired of seeing Friedl leadoff.

Pham hitting third is right up there with Friedl leading off for me. So far in 61 AB's in May Pham has 2 extra base hits.

[KeefeCato]

Really wanna see Greene continue to build on his last start.
He looked great. Follow it up with another great one big guy.

[KeefeCato]

Pham hitting third is right up there with Friedl leading off for me. So far in 61 AB's in May Pham has 2 extra base hits.

I said this before. I will of course root for Pham. But he is right up there with Edmonds as one of my least favorite Reds.
Not going to be mad when he is dealt.

[Red Raindog]

Liberal strike zone to start


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[Ron Madden]

Nice play TJ !!!

[Red Raindog]

Friedl earns paycheck with a running catch


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[icehole3]

rocket shot

[TheBigLebowski]

Manoah probably won’t surrender too much today

GREAT catch by FREEL-DL

[CaiGuy]

Friedl at least contributing with the glove...great play.

[TheBigLebowski]

Bo Bichette sounds a lot like Boba Fett if you say it quickly.

[icehole3]

Keep throwing that breaking ball

[TheBigLebowski]

100 on the lower outside portion.

Unreal

[Ron Madden]

100 on the lower outside portion.

Unreal

Ya can't do nuthin wit dat

[TheBigLebowski]

Ya can't do nuthin wit dat

You can nod in appreciation. Or just pull a John Kruk, wipe your brow and phone in the rest of the AB.

[icehole3]

100 on the lower outside portion.

Unreal

Guerrero jr after that pitch

https://i.imgur.com/pvXhghD.jpg

[KeefeCato]

Really hoping Lodolo gets back soon and hope they give Ashcraft some starts and not just send him back down after Sunday.
Those three have the potential to be a nice 1,2,3 punch down the road.

[TheBigLebowski]

It’ll at least be interesting to see how many ways Joey changes his stance until he starts hitting.

[TheBigLebowski]

There is such a thing as “looking like you’re from West Virginia.” Manoah is proof.

[Red Raindog]

It’ll at least be interesting to see how many ways Joey changes his stance until he starts hitting.

Or if he starts hitting


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[KeefeCato]

It’ll at least be interesting to see how many ways Joey changes his stance until he starts hitting.

Call me crazy but if the shift is gone next year. I think Joey will hit at or near .300. He has hit a ton of rockets that would've been hits against a old school aliment.
I think he just needs to grip and rip this season get the ball in the air.
Next year if no shift use his old .300 average stance.

[TheBigLebowski]

Any racing fans? Here’s a tip: toss 5 bucks on Secret Oath today. +750.

[RedTeamGo!]

The Blue Jays 7-8-9 hitters would be the Reds 3-4-5 hitters.

Also, Votto is toast, ain’t he?

[TheBigLebowski]

Or if he starts hitting


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I’m choosing to believe it’s an eventuality. Because that’s what I want and therefore it’s true.

[icehole3]

Geez

[TheBigLebowski]

That bat blew up like a helium balloon on an open fire

[RedTeamGo!]

Bo Bichette sounds a lot like Boba Fett if you say it quickly.

BoBichette? BoBichette?! Where?

[membengal]

FILTHY.

[TheBigLebowski]

I’m actually aroused by this.

[icehole3]

Batters after seeing that Greene hook.

https://i.imgur.com/AQetvph.gif

[RedTeamGo!]

This is great, but would be nice if we had Manoah instead of Lodolo…..

[icehole3]

101 with some tail on it.

[TheBigLebowski]

101 riding in on the hands. I haven’t the words

[Ron Madden]

C. Trent Rosecrans
@ctrent

Hunter Greene has now gone 27 outs without allowing a hit (over two starts)

[icehole3]

Hunter deserves a 10 year deal (in NY) if he keeps this stuff up.

[TheBigLebowski]

Lopez baby. SCRAPPY

[membengal]

Speaking for me, I am glad he wasn’t sent down to AAA…

[Ron Madden]

Today's Trivia Question:

Since 1990, four second basemen have hit 20 or more home runs in a season, while playing for the Reds. Who are they?

[Ron Madden]

Was that a 4 pitch inning for Hunter Greene?

[membengal]

Hilarious - the blue jays clearly tried the “swing early” approach that inning and greene gets out of inning on four pitches

[membengal]

Follow this link all - FILTHY

https://twitter.com/pitchingninja/status/1528100535131324418?s=21&t=UoCfWZyuRCADRG1d4V10YA

[icehole3]

Today's Trivia Question:

Since 1990, four second basemen have hit 20 or more home runs in a season, while playing for the Reds. Who are they?

Brandon Phillips and India

[TheBigLebowski]

Yessir TYLER

[membengal]

Brutal bad luck on offense though for the reds continues

[KeefeCato]

The Blue Jays 7-8-9 hitters would be the Reds 3-4-5 hitters.

Also, Votto is toast, ain’t he?

No Votto is not toast.

[Ron Madden]

Brutal bad luck on offense though for the reds continues

That ball was scorched!

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Joey RBI !!!

[membengal]

There we go Joey!

[Red Raindog]

Time for a Votto hot streak


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[TheBigLebowski]

Joey is alive

[Rdirtypirates]

Brandon Phillips and India

Scooter

[BCubb2003]

The Ragin’ Najun.

[757690]

Votto still bangs

2 out RBI double. Reds up 1-0

[TheBigLebowski]

Every ball this inning has been hit well

[Rdirtypirates]

Brett Boone

[757690]

Today's Trivia Question:

Since 1990, four second basemen have hit 20 or more home runs in a season, while playing for the Reds. Who are they?

Brett Boone
Phillips
Scooter
India

[Ron Madden]

No Votto is not toast.

We should all try real hard to ignore his hot takes...
He'd be a pretty good poster if he'd give up the hot takes. :)

[Ron Madden]

Brett Boone
Phillips
Scooter
India

We have a winner!
Bret Boone (24 in 1998)
Brandon Phillips (30 in 2007, 21 in 2008 & 20 in 2009)
Scooter Gennett (27 in 2017 & 23 in 2018)
Jonathan India (21 in 2021)

[Kc61]

1-1 ballgame. I’d cap Hunter Greene at about 75-80 pitches today.

[Ron Madden]

Nice bounce back Hunter!!!

[TheBigLebowski]

He’s just freaking disgusting

[kaldaniels]

1-1 ballgame. I’d cap Hunter Greene at about 75-80 pitches today.

David Bell: Hold my beer.

[Ron Madden]

Lopez having a good game

[icehole3]

Lopez having a good game

Deserves another start

[traderumor]

the hand signals to the dugout trend after a hit can end anytime.

[Ron Madden]

I think Sam LeCure does a great job as a color commentator

[CaiGuy]

I think Sam Lecture does a great job as a color commentator

This duo tonight is probably the combo of the future...they are fine really, a bit like Grande and Welsh back in the day.

[Ron Madden]

Keep on swingin it Naquin

[Ron Madden]

Charlie Goldsmith
@CharlieG__

Last week against the Pirates, Hunter Greene walked five batters. Today, he only has one walk through five innings and is commanding his pitches as well as he has all year.

[Ron Madden]

Moose ain't the third baseman that he used to be. is he?

[CaiGuy]

Mike has looked good at the plate again, but I think it's past time to phase him out of 3b.

[traderumor]

Moose ain't nothing that he used to be. Now Hunter's in trouble and should be in the dugout.

[icehole3]

Good training right here

[CaiGuy]

Hunter has been very efficient. Shame that Moose hung out to dry a bit.

But it's part of the game, he needs to buckle down and get an out

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Gift strike but ok

[icehole3]

101 with tail whooo

[Ron Madden]

GOTEEEM!!!!

[icehole3]

Man

[Tom Servo]

Good training right here
yeah rather Moose just made the play but a good challenge for Hunter and he succeeded.

[icehole3]

Pitching like an all-star

[SomeCallMeTim]

He’s just freaking disgusting

Problem is, so is our offense.

[Red Raindog]

Little help from the ump but Hunter closes it out and saves Moose


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[Ron Madden]

Good job getting outta that jam!

[traderumor]

Moose and his triple lindy botch of a routine play prob cost Greene at least another inning.

[Kc61]

Good test for Greene, he came through with flying colors.

But enough for today.

[CaiGuy]

Nice start against a good lineup for Hunter. A lot to like.

[CaiGuy]

Might as well go ahead and get him a win too.

[kaldaniels]

This duo tonight is probably the combo of the future...they are fine really, a bit like Grande and Welsh back in the day.

They are a good team. I can’t help but wonder if LeCure’s voice will hold him back.

That said Graves was cringy on the post-game last night (I rarely watch that).

[Kc61]

Let’s get the fly ball here, give Hunter a lead.

Nope.

[Ron Madden]

Could sure use a run or two right now

[Tom Servo]

some pretty poor efforts from Moran with RISP the last two games

[CaiGuy]

They are a good team. I can’t help but wonder if LeCure’s voice will hold him back.

That said Graves was cringy on the post-game last night (I rarely watch that).

He was on the pregame with the lady who hosts those now, they were both pretty rough.

[Ron Madden]

I don't know exactly what Hunter Greene has to do to get a win

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He was on the pregame with the lady who hosts those now, they were both pretty rough.

Chris Sabo's daughter

[icehole3]

He was on the pregame with the lady who hosts those now, they were both pretty rough.

Sabo's daughter

[CaiGuy]

I don't know exactly what Hunter Greene has to do to get a win

He'll get plenty from the whatever large market team the Reds trade him to. :evil:

Too soon?

[Ron Madden]

Good pitch!!!

[Kc61]

Drury is on the restricted list for this series. India is out. Solano, a pretty good bat, hasn’t played. Senzel, Barrero.

Reds lineup is pretty anemic. It’s not great at full strength, but much better than this.

[kaldaniels]

Sabo's daughter

I could see her going somewhere. Kinda that Erin Andrews All-American Girl type of vibe. (That may not be what our society wants right now but she does remind me of Erin). Knows her stuff - as she should growing up Sabo.

[CaiGuy]

Out

[Ron Madden]

WHEW!

[kaldaniels]

There it is.

[icehole3]

Good night everybody thanks for coming.

[Tom Servo]

ah well

[CaiGuy]

Just keep throwing the same pitch to Bichette.

[Red Raindog]

Toronto Bichettes too much so far today


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[mhs95_06]

Tremendous play by Pham to get the 2nd out at 2nd, which was quickly reduced in significance by Bo's blast!

[traderumor]

Bichette either guessing right or getting info on what is coming.

[kaldaniels]

https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/9acAAOSwTVpiMYCp/s-l400.jpg

Screw you Dante.

[Ron Madden]

This is frustrating

[CaiGuy]

Crazy and a shame that this Blue Jays team missed the playoffs last year.

Besides the fact that they are beating the Reds right now, they are a really talented and fun team. Easy to like.

[Ron Madden]

I wish we had some hitters... right now it sucks to fall behind

[CaiGuy]

It be nice to get some instant dividends on a young pitcher like the Jays are getting from Manoah for once.

[malcontent]

With that swing I'll be surprised if Bichette doesn't hit 40 or 50 HR someday.

Also, how the hell did he last until pick 66?

[kaldaniels]

It be nice to get some instant dividends on a young pitcher like the Jays are getting from Manoah for once.

To be upfront I gave some pushback last month when someone complained we took Lodolo over him. Pitchers take some time, nothing conclusive yet, etc…

But now with Lodolo suddenly M.I.A. I’ll give the Blue Jays the win here.

[Kc61]

When’s the next series against the Pirates?

[SomeCallMeTim]

Crazy and a shame that this Blue Jays team missed the playoffs last year.

Besides the fact that they are beating the Reds right now, they are a really talented and fun team. Easy to like.

It’s also illustrates the Reds inability as an organization to draft position players with superstar potential. (Outside of Stephenson). Maybe its just sour grapes with Senzel?

Hopefully Barrero and de la Cruz will surprise us, but Vlad Jr, Bichette etc are in a different class.

[RedTeamGo!]

Have a feeling we’re going to be saying “could have Manoah” for the next decade

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It’s also illustrates the Reds inability as an organization to draft position players with superstar potential. (Outside of Stephenson). Maybe its just sour grapes with Senzel?

Hopefully Barrero and de la Cruz will surprise us, but Vlad Jr, Bichette etc are in a different class.

McLain

[kaldaniels]

Have a feeling we’re going to be saying “could have Manoah” for the next decade

I haven’t wanted to stir the pot on asking what the hell is going on with Lodolo but today’s events have me all wound up.

[Ron Madden]

I haven’t wanted to stir the pot on asking what the hell is going on with Lodolo but today’s events have me all wound up.

Lower back pain supposedly

[kaldaniels]

Lower back pain supposedly

Each day that goes by FCB’s “thinness” theory doesn’t seem so wacky.

[Tom Servo]

Each day that goes by FCB’s “thinness” theory doesn’t seem so wacky.
Yes it does

[757690]

I’m glad to see the Reds cautious with Lodolo this season.

[kaldaniels]

Yes it does

Tongue-in-cheek.

Expect some DJ Qualls remarks from me in the days to come as well.

[Red Raindog]

Pham helpless


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[adkindo]

I haven’t wanted to stir the pot on asking what the hell is going on with Lodolo but today’s events have me all wound up.

ready to say it was probably a miss? ;)

[kaldaniels]

ready to say it was probably a miss? ;)

Give me a fair shake man, see post 120.

[Ron Madden]

It's way to early to give up on Lodolo

[kaldaniels]

It's way to early to give up on Lodolo

Totally agree. Still tons of hope there.

[malcontent]

It's way to early to give up on Lodolo
Agreed. Now do Senzel.

[Kc61]

Reds are 11-28.

That’s a win percentage of .282.

Over the full season it’s 46-116 W-L record.

[TheBigLebowski]

It’s also illustrates the Reds inability as an organization to draft position players with superstar potential. (Outside of Stephenson). Maybe its just sour grapes with Senzel?

Hopefully Barrero and de la Cruz will surprise us, but Vlad Jr, Bichette etc are in a different class.

Not gonna say I foresaw Senzel becoming the complete pumpkin he became, but I didn’t want him where we took him. He just had no superstar upside, and I’m not a fan of using high picks on guys who, best case, profile to above-average major leaguers. Senzel’s most popular comp was Jeff Cirillo. Cirillo was a good player, but if you’re taking a guy there who maybe, if stars align, becomes Cirillo, everyone is being set up for disappointment.

And I’m not ready to declare Manoah the winner over Lodolo, but I absolutely would swap them right here, right now if given the choice. Still, both guys can be stars. Hopefully they both will.

The Reds have done a really capable job of making some really bad picks with some bad luck. Without question, given the ridiculous amount of high first round picks they’ve had in the last 20-25 years, this franchise should have produced a lot more good, homegrown players. That’s got to improve. A small market team like Cincinnati, especially run by this ownership group, HAS to win the draft almost every time. Maybe Hendrick pans out. I know a lot of folks are down on him, but it’s very early. McCall is another one of those high floor, low-ceiling types. Hopefully he pans out. In all likelihood, we’ll have a top 3 pick this season, and let’s hope there’s a can’t-miss guy available when we pick.

[Ron Madden]

At least Hunter Greene is looking good

[durl]

Can't win many games when you only score 1 run.

[malcontent]

Not gonna say I foresaw Senzel becoming the complete pumpkin he became, but I didn’t want him where we took him. He just had no superstar upside, and I’m not a fan of using high picks on guys who, best case, profile to above-average major leaguers. Senzel’s most popular comp was Jeff Cirillo. Cirillo was a good player, but if you’re taking a guy there who maybe, if stars align, becomes Cirillo, everyone is being set up for disappointment.
What I can't understand is how the 2016 first round (including Senzel) is a wasteland, but then you get Reynolds, Alonso, and Bichette in the late second round?

[SomeCallMeTim]

Have a feeling we’re going to be saying “could have Manoah” for the next decade

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McLain

McLain = India = Senzel

By that I mean it seems like the Reds are drafting the same type of player.

Solid maybe but not elite. When is the last time since Jay Bruce we’ve had genuine reason to be excited about an OF prospect?

[SomeCallMeTim]

Can't win many games when you only score 1 run.

It can be done. Ask the Pirates.

[TheBigLebowski]

What I can't understand is how the 2016 first round (including Senzel) is a wasteland, but then you get Reynolds, Alonso, and Bichette in the late second round?

You’d never see that in football or basketball. Baseball is just so freaking hard to project. So many recent busts - Mickey Moniak and Spencer Howard always come to mind.

The thing with Senzel, though, is he was supposed to be a safe pick. A plug and play immediately guy.

[Ron Madden]

C. Trent Rosecrans
@ctrent

The Reds didn't have a pitcher go 6 innings in their first 31 games. In the next 8, Reds starters have gone at least 6 in 7 of those games, including today where Hunter Greene just finished the 6th. Baseball is weird





Doug Gray
@dougdirt24

Also, as of today, Hunter Greene is no longer "a prospect" as today was his 45th day on the active roster. Same thing for Alexis Diaz.

[NC-Red]

Just happy we beat Cleveland. The rest of the games I couldn’t care less, actually I prefer we lose.

[Ron Madden]

:dunno:

[Tom Servo]

Reds are 11-28.

That’s a win percentage of .282.

Over the full season it’s 46-116 W-L record.
The level of play in these losses is far better than what we were seeing earlier, might not translate immediately to wins but it’s way better than April.

[SomeCallMeTim]

Just happy we beat Cleveland. The rest of the games I couldn’t care less, actually I prefer we lose.

https://media0.giphy.com/media/3ov9jILR82xetHy63K/giphy.gif

[Mutaman]

McLain = India = Senzel

By that I mean it seems like the Reds are drafting the same type of player.

Solid maybe but not elite. When is the last time since Jay Bruce we’ve had genuine reason to be excited about an OF prospect?

Reds have not produced a decent right handed hitting OF since Reggie Sanders who they drafted in 1987.

[Ron Madden]

C. Trent Rosecrans
@ctrent
·
8m
Connor Overton has a sore back so Graham Ashcraft will start Sunday for the Reds. It’ll be his big-league debut

[Kc61]

The level of play in these losses is far better than what we were seeing earlier, might not translate immediately to wins but it’s way better than April.

The pitching is better, yes.

[Tony Cloninger]

Of course he’s hurt. Why should he be producing and healthy as well.

[Tom Servo]

Connor Overton has a sore back
He’s too skinny.

[Tony Cloninger]

He’s small boned.

[RedTeamGo!]

McLain = India = Senzel

By that I mean it seems like the Reds are drafting the same type of player.

Solid maybe but not elite. When is the last time since Jay Bruce we’ve had genuine reason to be excited about an OF prospect?

Ehhhh, McLain was drafted like 18th overall. I cannot really compare it to the Senzel pick at, what, 2?

[RedTeamGo!]

He’s small boned.

Aaaaaaaaaaaaand that’s what she said

[Jaysland Red]

BoBichette? BoBichette?! Where?

It does work, but only after you’ve had all your teeth taken out

[Jaysland Red]

Crazy and a shame that this Blue Jays team missed the playoffs last year.

Besides the fact that they are beating the Reds right now, they are a really talented and fun team. Easy to like.

Very easy to like. One end of the Jay’s dugout has been christened The Barrio and all the hispanic players hang out and lark about there to keep loose. The other players on the team can be honorary members if the latinos think they “deserve” it. They have the home run jacket that gets put on a player after he hits one and whoever is being interviewed after the game for Sportsnet TV (this evening it was Bichette) gets doused from a huge bucket of ice water. The interviewer, usually poor Hazel Mae, gets soaked every time too.

[Jaysland Red]

Another good afternoon at the Rogers Centre, apart from the result. I loved watching Greene bamboozle the Jays through his six innings, but, boy, that Bichette HR was a rocket, one of the crispest bat sounds I’ve ever heard. I liked Hunter’s composure after Moustakas’ pathetic throw kept the inning going longer than it should have. Apparently, the Jays had been wrongly informed that the Reds are actually a team of vampires, which is why they opened the roof during the game to let the sun in. Of course, it back-fired when the Reds took the lead. As soon as the Jays went ahead, though, the result felt inevitable. If the recent improvement in Reds SP continues, when we have India, Barrero, Solano and Schrock back our team might once again hold their own in respectable company.

Go Greene - Hopefully, the Reds sustainable option!

[kaldaniels]

Very easy to like. One end of the Jay’s dugout has been christened The Barrio and all the hispanic players hang out and lark about there to keep loose. The other players on the team can be honorary members if the latinos think they “deserve” it. They have the home run jacket that gets put on a player after he hits one and whoever is being interviewed after the game for Sportsnet TV (this evening it was Bichette) gets doused from a huge bucket of ice water. The interviewer, usually poor Hazel Mae, gets soaked every time too.

True.

https://www.thestar.com/sports/bluejays/opinion/2022/05/21/bo-bichette-breaks-out-against-the-reds-the-blue-jays-needed-that.html

[KeefeCato]

Just happy we beat Cleveland. The rest of the games I couldn’t care less, actually I prefer we lose.

Then why are you here? Next Cleveland-Reds game 2023. And who is "WE" I had no idea you played for the Reds.