5-29-22 Reds vs Giants 11:30 AM

[Ron Madden]

Reds
1. Nick Senzel (R) CF
2. Tyler Naquin (L) RF
3. Tyler Stephenson (R) DH
4. Joey Votto (L) 1B
5. Brandon Drury (R) 2B
6. Kyle Farmer (R) SS
7. Mike Moustakas (L) 3B
8. Albert Almora Jr. (R) LF
9. Aramis Garcia (R) C
SP Tyler Mahle (R)


Giants
1. Tommy La Stella (L) DH
2. Mike Yastrzemski (L) CF
3. Wilmer Flores (R) 1B
4. Joc Pederson (L) LF
5. Evan Longoria (R) 3B
6. Brandon Crawford (L) SS
7. Thairo Estrada (R) 2B
8. Luis Gonzalez (L) RF
9. Joey Bart (R) C
SP Alex Cobb (R)

[JarrodOnVinyl]

I like Drury in the five hole a lot better. Let's get this sweep!

[Kc61]

Gradually we are beginning to see the kind of team Reds would have with fewer injuries. Consider this lineup with Pham and India. Stephenson not as DH, but catching. Then consider the rotation when Minor joins the BOR.

Team would still lack power hitting and the bullpen, well, Reds just don’t spend on that. Not a contender, but not the awful mess we saw early this year.

[Kc61]

This lineup against RHP is a bit light on LHH.

Three starters today from left side. I guess Friedl, who didn’t hit much, was the other LHH until recently.

This bodes well for the chances of Fraley and Schrock to get some playing time against RHP when they return. If Stephenson were catching today, either Fraley or Schrock (if healthy) would likely be the DH.

[cumberlandreds]

Game is on the Peacock app only today at 11:30 am.

[Ron Madden]

The Giants lineup has been added to the original post

[KeefeCato]

Game is on the Peacock app only today at 11:30 am.

Download another App game. Pay 5.99 per month to watch. Reds games with the local crew will be a thing of the past in a few years. It will be 20 games on Apple, 20 on YouTube plus . 20 on Peacock etc. Etc.

[UPRedsFan]

This lineup against RHP is a bit light on LHH.

Three starters today from left side. I guess Friedl, who didn’t hit much, was the other LHH until recently.

This bodes well for the chances of Fraley and Schrock to get some playing time against RHP when they return. If Stephenson were catching today, either Fraley or Schrock (if healthy) would likely be the DH.

I can't wait to see Schrock get back.

[Ky Fried Redleg]

This lineup against RHP is a bit light on LHH.

Three starters today from left side. I guess Friedl, who didn’t hit much, was the other LHH until recently.

This bodes well for the chances of Fraley and Schrock to get some playing time against RHP when they return. If Stephenson were catching today, either Fraley or Schrock (if healthy) would likely be the DH.

How is Schrock coming along? I've always liked him

[Ron Madden]

Today's Trivia Question:

Four shortstops have won 4 or more National League Gold Glove Awards. Name'em


Answer coming after today's game

[KeefeCato]

Today's Trivia Question:

Four shortstops have won 4 or more National League Gold Glove Awards. Name'em


Answer coming after today's game
Smith
Concepcion
Crawford
Rollins ??

[KYExtemper]

Game is on Peacock, if you have that streaming service.

[757690]

Download another App game. Pay 5.99 per month to watch. Reds games with the local crew will be a thing of the past in a few years. It will be 20 games on Apple, 20 on YouTube plus . 20 on Peacock etc. Etc.

This is BS. It’s frustrating enough to have to search to find where to watch a Reds game, but to then have to pay $5 to watch one game is infuriating. Thanks Manfred.

[Ron Madden]

Bobby Nightengale
@nightengalejr

Reds rotation this week:

Tuesday at Boston - Luis Castillo
Wednesday - Hunter Greene
Thursday vs. Washington - Graham Ashcraft
Friday - Mike Minor

[KYExtemper]

This is BS. It’s frustrating enough to have to search to find where to watch a Reds game, but to then have to pay $5 to watch one game is infuriating. Thanks Manfred.

I'm not a fan of having to jump around to different apps to watch games. Of course, I wish MLB TV would get rid of blackouts because I usually have to listen to the audio feed for Reds games. But it's silly to make fans hop on YouTube, get an Apple app, and get Peacock just to watch games during the season, especially if they are in a market to watch their team on MLB TV's online service.

[KeefeCato]

Bye Vlad at least till they trade off someone.

[KeefeCato]

This is BS. It’s frustrating enough to have to search to find where to watch a Reds game, but to then have to pay $5 to watch one game is infuriating. Thanks Manfred.

Check your private messages.

[KYExtemper]

Strong first inning for Mahle with two K's

[Reds Fanatic]

2 Ks for Mahle to end the inning

[Red Raindog]

This is BS. It’s frustrating enough to have to search to find where to watch a Reds game, but to then have to pay $5 to watch one game is infuriating. Thanks Manfred.

Agree
Don’t think I need another app bill


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[mbgrayson]

This is BS. It’s frustrating enough to have to search to find where to watch a Reds game, but to then have to pay $5 to watch one game is infuriating. Thanks Manfred.

I agree. I bought the MLB package on YouTube TV, and I also have Apple TV. I will NOT buy another service to get one game I should already have access to. We should all call in to the Reds and object.

Call the Reds at 513-765-7000. I left a voice message. Doubt it will do much good, but WTH.

[757690]

On the plus side, I now can watch “The Thing About Pam” for free this month. :rolleyes:

[Ron Madden]

C. Trent Rosecrans Retweeted
Amy
@amyeditress

Joc giving Hermey the elf vibes




Check it out
Joc giving Hermey the elf vibes
https://mobile.twitter.com/amyeditress/status/1530748969348997121?cxt=HHwWgoC95fmEqL4qAAAA

[Ron Madden]

Almora RBI Single!

[KYExtemper]

On the plus side, I now can watch “The Thing About Pam” for free this month. :rolleyes:

I have Peacock to watch the old WWF stuff, but aside from that I never use it. It's a pretty poor streaming service and IIRC it's not making a lot of money.

[Kc61]

How is Schrock coming along? I've always liked him

Getting his base hits, as usual, in minor league rehab.

[KYExtemper]

Mahle on a roll so far. We need many more starts like this out of him.

[Ron Madden]

Reds lead 1-0 as they go to the bottom of the 3rd inning

[Ky Fried Redleg]

Smith
Concepcion
Crawford
Rollins ??

Davey and Oz were the first two that came to mind.

[VR]

Only following on gameday….but it appears Mahle is throwing 3-5 mph slower, with better control, and ripping through the lineup? 43 through 3 is some kind of record for him.


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[NatiRedGals]

Only following on gameday….but it appears Mahle is throwing 3-5 mph slower, with better control, and ripping through the lineup? 43 through 3 is some kind of record for him.


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That's surprising in the 1st i was worried cause he went 3 and 2 with everybody ��

[Ky Fried Redleg]

Getting his base hits, as usual, in minor league rehab.

Thanks. The guy can hit baseballs.

[KYExtemper]

I understand that these guys make their money on the XBH and such, but it irritates me that the whole left side of the infield and outfield are open and Naquin strikes out.

[Regulus]

It's a nice treat to tune into Jon Miller calling the play by play. Probably the best there is now. He and Krukow were a great tandem. Before that, Miller and Lon Simmons were very entertaining.

Go Reds. I want to see lots of red brooms in the stands later on.

[KYExtemper]

Sweet Jesus, that was an AWFUL third strike call on Stephenson.

[TheBigLebowski]

Not our best half-inning

[RedsfaninMT]

Sweet Jesus, that was an AWFUL third strike call on Stephenson.

Yep, didn't need a imaginary box to show that was low and putside.

[TheBigLebowski]

Only following on gameday….but it appears Mahle is throwing 3-5 mph slower, with better control, and ripping through the lineup? 43 through 3 is some kind of record for him.


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He’s locating well. But the dip in velo is definitely there. Unsure if it’s strategic or something else. But he does look pretty good.

[Regulus]

That was right there for you, Votto.

[TheBigLebowski]

President of The KFFC

[RedsfaninMT]

This strike zone is awful.

[KYExtemper]

Do we EVER win challenges? I feel like when we make them we lose and when other teams make them against us they win every time.

[TheBigLebowski]

They cannot overturn that. Way too close.

[Ky Fried Redleg]

*** KFR SCOREBOARD STUMPER***

Since 1975, there have been four pitchers that have had multiple 10-win seasons for the Reds AND at least one 10-win season for the Giants. Can you name all four???

Answer in the bottom of the 8th ...

[icehole3]

Good call

[icehole3]

*** KFR SCOREBOARD STUMPER***

Since 1975, there have been four pitchers that have had multiple 10-win seasons for the Reds AND at least one 10-win season for the Giants. Can you name all four???

Answer in the bottom of the 8th ...

Cueto
Wood

[TheBigLebowski]

Cobb’s strike zone is 5 feet wide and Hanoi Jane is winning bogus challenges.

[Wonderful Monds]

*** KFR SCOREBOARD STUMPER***

Since 1975, there have been four pitchers that have had multiple 10-win seasons for the Reds AND at least one 10-win season for the Giants. Can you name all four???

Answer in the bottom of the 8th ...

Disco?

[KYExtemper]

Ha, this umpire's zone is whacked.

[Ky Fried Redleg]

Yep, didn't need a imaginary box to show that was low and putside.

I am as much a baseball purist as anyone on this board, but something has to be done about these inconsistent and awlful ball and strike calls.

[Ron Madden]

These home plate umpires suck out loud

[HalMorrisRules]

Mike Lacoss for the scoreboard stumper

[Ky Fried Redleg]

Check your private messages.

Message me as well, please.

[TheBigLebowski]

Geez. Mahle completely lost that one. Might have been a slider.

[Ron Madden]

C. Trent Rosecrans
@ctrent

8 called strikeouts in this game so far. Shane Livensparger isn't making too many friends on either bench today.

[icehole3]

Mahle has a no hitter going

[VR]

I’m imagining Mahle walking to the dugout after 5 and shaking hands like he’s done. Bell like, dude, your going back out for a couple more innings, you’re only at 76 pitches.


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[KYExtemper]

Ha, the announcers making fun of the strike zone. Making Eric Gregg analogies.

[KYExtemper]

Mahle starting to run out of gas.

[TheBigLebowski]

double play pls

- - - Updated - - -

Infield fly works too.

[traderumor]

he's really not pitching well, his usual erratic lacking command game, just lucky for no hits.

[KYExtemper]

Nine outs from a no hitter but I don't think Mahle is going the distance today.

[TheBigLebowski]

Y E S

[traderumor]

those two hitters were best yet, saw off pop up and dominated Pederson

[icehole3]

Mahle K's Chris Rock

[Ky Fried Redleg]

Can we maybe WIN a no-hitter???

[TheBigLebowski]

he's really not pitching well, his usual erratic lacking command game, just lucky for no hits.

Let’s give him some credit. He is pitching very well.

[traderumor]

Let’s give him some credit. He is pitching very well.

The point is he is not dominating, is not hitting spots, going deep in counts, his normal outing, has a plus curve today going for him, but not "no hit stuff"

[Banshee]

I think we found out the key to the Mahle conundrum: 11:30 AM starts. Not a night time pitcher.

[Ky Fried Redleg]

Ha, the announcers making fun of the strike zone. Making Eric Gregg analogies.


I remember a game decades ago when Marty became incensed with the umpires, particularly Gregg, and started casigating him for his obese appearance.

[Reds Fanatic]

Mahle at 93 pitches so probably one more inning from him

[TheBigLebowski]

Nick. That’s awful.

[KYExtemper]

Man, I thought that Stevenson smash was going to get us some momentum going. Instead, Longoria stops it cold.

[traderumor]

they were talking about Cobb pitching in bad luck, that is reversing quick, multiple hard hit at em balls

[KYExtemper]

Way to go Votto!

[Ron Madden]

RBI DOUBLE Joey Votto!!!

[TheBigLebowski]

whoooo

[Reds Fanatic]

Votto now 2 doubles away from Larkin for 2nd most doubles in Reds history

[Ron Madden]

Reds lead 2-0 after 6 innings

[Banshee]

Cobb's stuff is filthy.

[Reds Fanatic]

Now 7 Ks for Mahle

[Reds Fanatic]

There goes the no hitter

[icehole3]

O well

[TheBigLebowski]

Crap. No-no is gone.

[Reds Fanatic]

Strickland coming in

[NatiRedGals]

Give um up Strickland coming in hopefully he they don't tie it here

[Ironman92]

Watching would be cool [emoji2371]

[Ron Madden]

Goteeem!

[NatiRedGals]

Think he stays in or one batter ?

[KeefeCato]

Give um up Strickland coming in hopefully he they don't tie it here

You could say that about all of then in the pen. Sans Diaz so far. And he isn't pitching today. Pitched last two days.

[TheBigLebowski]

That’s the Strickland I thought we were getting.

[NatiRedGals]

You could say that about all of then in the pen. Sans Diaz so far. And he isn't pitching today. Pitched last two days.

Idk why I'm saying this but i trust hoffman ��

[NatiRedGals]

Hopefully mlb doesn't change baseballs in later part of game

[KeefeCato]

That’s the Strickland I thought we were getting.

I wouldn't be surprised if he is still with the club by seasons end if Strickland isn't the best reliever. His track record says he will bounce back and he is starting to. Age would be the only worry.

[Ron Madden]

Farm Dawg Triple!!
No it's a single and E8

[KeefeCato]

Idk why I'm saying this but i trust hoffman ��

I don't trust Hoffmon at all in a close game. He is a ticking time bomb.

[Reds Fanatic]

Farmer to 3rd as Yastrzemski booted the ball in center

[NatiRedGals]

I don't trust Hoffmon at all in a close game. He is a ticking time bomb.
Isn't everyone in our bullpen a ticking time bomb

[Ky Fried Redleg]

Thinking about Ron's stumper. Ozzie and Davey immediately came to mind. Also, Larry Bowa, but I don't know if he won 4. Same for Larkin. Since the Giants are in town, their shortstop is a possibility.

[Reds Fanatic]

Hopefully that does not come back to haunt as they can’t get Farmer home

[KeefeCato]

Thinking about Ron's stumper. Ozzie and Davey immediately came to mind. Also, Larry Bowa, but I don't know if he won 4. Same for Larkin. Since the Giants are in town, their shortstop is a possibility.

I guessed Concepcion, Ozzie. Crawford because of the Giants and I know he has won a few.
And Rollins long tern NL guy who won some. Not sure if 4 though.

[icehole3]

Should be safe

[Ky Fried Redleg]

*** KFR SCOREBOARD STUMPER***

Since 1975, there have been four pitchers that have had multiple 10-win seasons for the Reds AND at least one 10-win season for the Giants. Can you name all four???

Answer in the bottom of the 8th ...

[icehole3]

BS

[Reds Fanatic]

I don’t get how replay decided that one

[icehole3]

The town of Cincy doesn't get calls

[KeefeCato]

Lacoss , Disco, Cueto, No idea

[TheBigLebowski]

Complete horse ****

[Ky Fried Redleg]

I guessed Concepcion, Ozzie. Crawford because of the Giants and I know he has won a few.
And Rollins long tern NL guy who won some. Not sure if 4 though.

That would be my guess.

[traderumor]

he was pretty clearly safe, the catcher whiffed, the ump whiffed, the replay ump whiffed. Struck out the side.

[KYExtemper]

Alright guys, 6 outs from a sweep. Let's put the hammer down and go to Boston.

[TheBigLebowski]

Hassling The Hoff in a high leverage situation. I like it.

Wonder if he might make a good closer.

[Ron Madden]

They said the call on the field stands...
I think they say that when they can't find enough evidence to overturn the call. I think they say call on the field is confirmed when evidence shows the call on the field was right.

[TexasRedsFan]

Even on another network, we get Barry’s “back in my day…” whining. ��

[NatiRedGals]

Even on another network, we get Barry’s “back in my day…” whining. ��

They been asking him to do it the whole time lol

[Ky Fried Redleg]

They said the call on the field stands...
I think they say that when they can't find enough evidence to overturn the call. I think they say call on the field is confirmed when evidence shows the call on the field was right.

They say "the call on the field sucks" ... when the call was made by Angel Hernandez.

[Roy Tucker]

Lacoss , Disco, Cueto, No idea

Lacoss will be forever etched in my brain as Buffy

[Ky Fried Redleg]

Lacoss , Disco, Cueto, No idea

Two are Ohio natives, if that helps.

[KYExtemper]

We just can't make things easy....

[TheBigLebowski]

Don’t agree with lifting The Hoff for Art Warren here. Don’t get it. Unless Warren has a really sparkling resume vs. Pederson.

[Tom Servo]

Wouldn't Detweiler be the guy to go to for Pederson, not sure about dear Art...

[Ky Fried Redleg]

Lacoss will be forever etched in my brain as Buffy

And not the vampire slayer.... What show was that in the '70's that Buffy played on? It was a dad, a butler, Buffy, and a little girl. My mind is leaving me.

[Ron Madden]

Weak bouncing ball through the infield UGH!

[KYExtemper]

Oh, good lord.

[KeefeCato]

Cueto Disco LaCoss. Burba?

[TheBigLebowski]

Kyle. Oh my Kyle.

[Roy Tucker]

Two are Ohio natives, if that helps.

Dave Burba?

[Ron Madden]

Damnit Mon!

[TheBigLebowski]

Yet another call Reds deserved but didn’t get

[Reds Fanatic]

Crap. 3 run homer

[KYExtemper]

Raise your hand if you are surprised!

[TexasRedsFan]

I’ve seen more than enough of Art Warren in a Reds uni.

[Ky Fried Redleg]

Bell's bullpen decisions continue to haunt.

[TheBigLebowski]

Thanks David Bell!

[icehole3]

Media: Bell what's your reasoning in going to Warren in that situation?

Bell: Well.

https://i.imgur.com/puO1Ggo.gif

[NatiRedGals]

Bell's bullpen decisions continues to haunt.

Yep like I said our bullpen isn't great but it's not as bad as it looks ethier bell makes boneheaded decisions

[Ironman92]

Reds pitchers need to give up a hit before it becomes noted that there is a no hitter

[KYExtemper]

Shift backfires on us for the second time this inning.

[TheBigLebowski]

That’s Reds Baseball in 2022. Bad managing, a little bad luck and not enough talent to overcome.

And the umps bent them over today.

[LoudounReds]

If I never see Art “Gas Can” Warren in a Reds uniform again, I’d be much happier.

[Tom Servo]

ah well nevertheless

[icehole3]

Flood gates are open

[KYExtemper]

Tale of two games right now.

[Coopdaddy67]

What a waste of a great performance from Mahle.

[TheBigLebowski]

Bad thing is, this still won’t convince Bell Warren is bad at pitching and shouldn’t be used in high leverage situations - if at all.

Hoffman should have finished the inning but Bell couldn’t help himself. Has to overmanage.

[traderumor]

we almost got them out if town with sleepy bats....almost

[KYExtemper]

FINALLY get the third out. That was terrible. 1 out away from getting out of the inning and we give up 5 runs before we can notch that last out.

[Ky Fried Redleg]

Tale of two games right now.

The Dickens, you say.

[Banshee]

Pitiful BP. Oh well, 2 of 3's not bad, onward.

[TheBigLebowski]

“David Bell is not the reason the Reds are bad!”

No, he’s not - but he’s definitely not an asset. I don’t recall a Reds manager so insistent on overdoing it, nor one with so little instinct.

[Wonderful Monds]

Check this out:

Fart Warren

[icehole3]

Will Senzel attempt to steal today?

[TheBigLebowski]

Check this out:

Fart Warren

18359

[KYExtemper]

Alright, we got some table setters. Need to do something with this.

[Ky Fried Redleg]

Check this out:

Fart Warren

Pham needs to slap some fire back into him.

[texasdave]

Lacoss , Disco, Cueto, No idea

Dave Burba

Edit: Didn't read through the thread first. My bad.

[KYExtemper]

This game is so predictable at this point. Saw that double play coming the moment we got 2 men on.

[Ky Fried Redleg]

*** KFR SCOREBOARD STUMPER***

Since 1975, there have been four pitchers that have had multiple 10-win seasons for the Reds AND at least one 10-win season for the Giants. Can you name all four???

Answer in the bottom of the 8th ...




**Mike Lacoss

**Dave Burba (Dayton, OH)

**Brett Tomko (Euclid, OH)

**Johnny Cueto


NOTE: Disco came within a game on a couple of occasions of being a 10-game winner for the Reds. He won, I think , 13 last season for the Giants. Also, Dave Burba is kinda overlooked in the annuls of quality baseball pitchers but I think the guy won something like 10 to 15 games for 7 or 8 seasons in a row with various clubs. Dude could give you some innings.

[TexasRedsFan]

Bad thing is, this still won’t convince Bell Warren is bad at pitching and shouldn’t be used in high leverage situations - if at all.

Hoffman should have finished the inning but Bell couldn’t help himself. Has to overmanage.

Yeah, it does seem like Bell sometimes is more concerned with helping particular guys get confidence than winning the game. Hoffman has been getting the job done; there’s no reason to lift him for Warren there because you think the latter should be a better pitcher than he’s shown.

The real problem though is no lefty stopper in the bullpen and that goes higher than DB.

[KeefeCato]

**Mike Lacoss

**Dave Burba (Dayton, OH)

**Brett Tomko (Euclid, OH)

**Johnny Cueto


NOTE: Disco came within a game on a couple of occasions of being a 10-game winner for the Reds. He won, I think , 13 last season for the Giants. Also, Dave Burba is kinda overlooked in the annuls of quality baseball pitchers but I think the guy won something like 10 to 15 games for 7 or 8 seasons in a row with various clubs. Dude could give you some innings.

I Wouldn't have got Tomko if you gave me 100 guesses. I don't remember him playing for the Giants. Good trivia.

[Tom Servo]

I didn’t like the Art Warren call…but the inning should have been over with the Pederson AB. The Reds left a crack open the Giants kicked the door down.

[Ron Madden]

Two run HR Almora!!!

[KYExtemper]

Nice garbage time home run

[NatiRedGals]

Ugh we actually deserved to win this game and bell gonna bell

[50YrRedsFan]

Bad again. Probably Mahle's best game this year, and the bullpen disintegrates.

[TexasRedsFan]

Still a series win over a winning club. Great pitching for 25 and 1/3 innings.

[Ron Madden]

Today's Trivia Question Answer

Brandon Crawford (4)
Jimmy Rollins (4)
David Concepcion (5)
Ozzie Smith (13)

[Ky Fried Redleg]

Warren's earnie north of 7 now. When does Bell take note that what he was and what he is now are two very different things. How Great Thou Art ...NOT!!!

[JCM11]

It appears that Art Warren is the new David Hernandez only without the prior track record of success to semi justify sticking with him for a bit.

[Ky Fried Redleg]

Ugh we actually deserved to win this game and bell gonna bell

Micromanaged a likely win into another loss. He'll do that 8-10 times a season.

[Ron Madden]

From May 26, 2022



Joel Luckhaupt
@jluckhaupt
May 26

NL Lowest ERA (min 20 IP)
PIT David Bednar 0.76
CIN Alexis Díaz 0.87
SDP Nabil Crismatt 1.25
CHC Keegan Thompson 1.54
CIN Jeff Hoffman 1.59

I should probably also note that Hoffman has allowed 53% of his inherited runners to score - including 8 of 11 that he's inherited from a SP - which doesn't count against his ERA.

[HokieRed]

We can fault Bell all we want, fact is the bullpen is two really reliable arms from making Bell look like a pitching managing genius.

[Ky Fried Redleg]

Joel Luckhaupt
@jluckhaupt
May 26

NL Lowest ERA (min 20 IP)
PIT David Bednar 0.76
CIN Alexis Díaz 0.87
SDP Nabil Crismatt 1.25
CHC Keegan Thompson 1.54
CIN Jeff Hoffman 1.59




Warren's ERA is more than those five combined by nearly a run and a half.

[Ky Fried Redleg]

We can fault Bell all we want, fact is the bullpen is two really reliable arms from making Bell look like a pitching managing genius.

Four words that should never be in the same sentence.

[Kc61]

All bullpens have bad games.

Reds’ bullpen, especially in the first half of seasons, is usually a tryout camp. So they’ll have their share.

So we settle for two of three, which is a good result. Hard to sweep a good team in a series.

[traderumor]

breaks and bounces...blown call on the Farmer slide...bad hop on a ground ball, coulda, shoulda, woulda...good series win, no icing.

[KeefeCato]

All bullpens have bad games.

Reds’ bullpen, especially in the first half of seasons, is usually a tryout camp. So they’ll have their share.

So we settle for two of three, which is a good result. Hard to sweep a good team in a series.

Exactly. The try out camp killed this teams chances last year and played a huge part in the 3-23 start. Obviously at 3-23 a blame goes to Offence and pitching.

[CesarGeronimo]

“David Bell is not the reason the Reds are bad!”

No, he’s not - but he’s definitely not an asset. I don’t recall a Reds manager so insistent on overdoing it, nor one with so little instinct.

Bob Boone?

[NatiRedGals]

We can fault Bell all we want, fact is the bullpen is two really reliable arms from making Bell look like a pitching managing genius.

Reds fans have become ok with mediocre managers. Bell sucks so the does bull pen but come on quit defending a guy who micromanages everything

[KeefeCato]

We can fault Bell all we want, fact is the bullpen is two really reliable arms from making Bell look like a pitching managing genius.

I would say they need at least 3 more reliable arms if not four.
With 9 man pens nearly every team will carry at least 2 bad pitchers. But IMO you need at least 6 reliable arms who are consistent.

[NatiRedGals]

What your saying is if the reds had a good bullpen he would be a good manager doesn't that go with any team?

[HokieRed]

I like this team. Unlike most of RZ, I think they are headed in the right direction. Now, if they want to get serious, they need to spend 15 million bucks next year on two high end relievers. It's amazing not only how those guys will make your manager look smarter but also the rest of your pen look better. Take the money spend on Minor's contract and invest it in the pen. I've no doubt Krall sees that. Whether Bob will spend the cash is another question.

[KeefeCato]

What your saying is if the reds had a good bullpen he would be a good manager doesn't that go with any team?

Any manager would look good with a great bullpen. If they were all good it would be impossible for him to make a bad pitching change.
I don't think Bell is a good manager. But I also don't think he is horrible either. The players love to play for him. Haven't heard a single player have a bad word to say about him including the ones who no longer play here. That means a lot. The front office won't put together a good bullpen. I think it is possible to put together a solid bullpen without spending a ton of money. But you have to have scouts that can find pitchers. A GM that can make good trades to get them etc.
It is going to get real bad in Aug and Sept if they trade Castillo and Mahle. Because the starting pitching will be far weaker with whoever replaces them, They will pitch less innings which means the bullpen will have to cover more.

The reason the bullpen has been better of late except for today is the starters are pitching better and going deeper into games.
This team won't have a decent chance to win till 2024. I don't know who the manager will be but I'd say Bell will be let go at the end of next season.

[KeefeCato]

I like this team. Unlike most of RZ, I think they are headed in the right direction. Now, if they want to get serious, they need to spend 15 million bucks next year on two high end relievers. It's amazing not only how those guys will make your manager look smarter but also the rest of your pen look better. Take the money spend on Minor's contract and invest it in the pen. I've no doubt Krall sees that. Whether Bob will spend the cash is another question.

They will be taking a big step back in Aug and Sept if/when they trade Mahle and Castillo. I think they will continue to play well till then. But will end up with 100 losses or very close. I expect horrible records for the last two months.

[mth123]

We can fault Bell all we want, fact is the bullpen is two really reliable arms from making Bell look like a pitching managing genius.

Two reliable arms would give them a total of two reliable arms. Its a start, but only scratching the surface for what is needed here. Everyone in the pen except Diaz and Santillan need replaced. Maybe keep Hoffman for long relief. Even Diaz is a small sample size question at this point. He's far from proving he's the answer, he's just proven he deserves a longer look.

[Kc61]

Two reliable arms would give them a total of two reliable arms. Its a start, but only scratching the surface for what is needed here. Everyone in the pen except Diaz and Santillan need replaced. Maybe keep Hoffman for long relief. Even Diaz is a small sample size question at this point. He's far from proving he's the answer, he's just proven he deserves a longer look.

I remember the 1995 Reds. Swept out of the playoffs, but a very good regular season team.

Their end-game pen was Mike Jackson and Jeff Brantley. There wan’t much discretion. Winning game, Jackson gets the 8th, Brantley the 9th. Usually, money in the bank.

That’s what Reds are missing IMO.

If Bell wants to play around with different relievers, do it in the sixth and seventh. But have two regular go-to guys to finish off the game.

[mth123]

I remember the 1995 Reds. Swept out of the playoffs, but a very good regular season team.

Their end-game pen was Mike Jackson and Jeff Brantley. There wan’t much discretion. Winning game, Jackson gets the 8th, Brantley the 9th. Usually, money in the bank.

That’s what Reds are missing IMO.

If Bell wants to play around with different relievers, do it in the sixth and seventh. But have two regular go-to guys to finish off the game.

Back then starters went a lot deeper into games. They need 4 or 5 guys that they can use in winning games or they will limit themselves to 2 or 3 wins in a row because they won't have the two main guys available. There won't be any complete games or two pitcher days to give them a break. It happened today. Diaz wasn't available so they pushed their luck with the career minor leaguer still trying to establish himself at age 29 and it cost them. I thought Cessa was a reliable middle innings guy but I think they've used him up the same way they did Sam Lecure and David Hernandez.

[Ky Fried Redleg]

I remember the 1995 Reds. Swept out of the playoffs, but a very good regular season team.

Their end-game pen was Mike Jackson and Jeff Brantley. There wan’t much discretion. Winning game, Jackson gets the 8th, Brantley the 9th. Usually, money in the bank.

That’s what Reds are missing IMO.

If Bell wants to play around with different relievers, do it in the sixth and seventh. But have two regular go-to guys to finish off the game.



Yep. When the game gets to the 8th it needs to be lockdown time. You have to have this to have any dreams of playing meaningful baseball in October. The Reds don't and haven't for quite some time. I hate seeing different guys every game in the late innings. If you get to the eighth with a lead you need to be 90+% confident you can lock down the game. McEnany/ Eastwick => Dibble /Myers

[Regulus]

I would not be surprised to see Warren DFA'd very soon if the front office uses the same retention policy for him that they did for Hembree last August after he blew 3 saves in about a week. Fingers crossed.

[KeefeCato]

To be a serious playoff contender. You need at least 6 good relievers minimum. Because even if your starter throws a good game. 80% of the time he is done after 6. You need to cover 3 innings. And depending on how many pitches your 3 relievers threw they may not be available the next day.

So you need 3 more guys the next day.
We can say starters need to go deeper into games. But that's not going to happen those days are gone. Welcome to modern baseball. Relievers seldom pitch back to back days and almost never 3 straight days anymore.

We don't have to like it but it's not changing for the foreseeable future. If ever. Too much money invested in pitchers and they are going to be handled with kid gloves.
So naturally the less the pitches and innings you get from a pitcher the more quality arms you need.

Once upon a time you could get by with 4 starters and a longman/5th starter and a good LH reliever and 8th and 9th inning guy. Because they would pitch 4 games out of 5 many times throughout the season.

IMO you need 6 quality relievers and you can get by with 3 lesser relievers tops. Guys like a Hoffman who can pitch 3 inns ever 4 days or so in games where your starter gets hit hard early.

[HokieRed]

I think a realistic plan is 2 really good pitchers, 5 of the variety the Reds have, and guys like Warren on the callup--Louisville shuttle list. At the moment, we've got one who might fit the truly reliable list--Diaz, and we've got a very small sample of his work.

[Ron Madden]

Nice garbage time home run

With due respect.

There is no garbage time In baseball.
As long as you keep getting on base and scoring runs you still have a chance to win the game. There is no clock, time will not run out on you.

[Ron Madden]

Box Score

https://www.mlb.com/gameday/giants-vs-reds/2022/05/29/663072#game_state=final,lock_state=final,game_tab= box,game=663072

[mth123]

I think a realistic plan is 2 really good pitchers, 5 of the variety the Reds have, and guys like Warren on the callup--Louisville shuttle list. At the moment, we've got one who might fit the truly reliable list--Diaz, and we've got a very small sample of his work.

If you only have two in this day and age, you'll wear them out and have none come June or so. See Cessa, Luis, Hernandez, David, Lecure, Sam as examples.

[Ky Fried Redleg]

With due respect.

There is no garbage time In baseball.
As long as you keep getting on base and scoring runs you still have a chance to win the game. There is no clock, time will not run out on you.

Baseball has always been the one game I love more than any other. The fact that there is no clock is one of the many reasons why I love this game. I once spent almost ten hours at Riverfront once. First game of a DH lasted 16 or 18 innings. I couldn't have loved that day more. I would watch a tripleheader and stay at the ball yard all day. Unfortunately, we have a commish who would like to shorten games to two hours. Wouldn't shock me if he advocated for clocking baseball. He's the Devil.

[HokieRed]

If you only have two in this day and age, you'll wear them out and have none come June or so. See Cessa, Luis, Hernandez, David, Lecure, Sam as examples.

Obviously you have 7 guys to work; you have 2 you spend 7-8 million bucks a piece on.

[mth123]

Obviously you have 7 guys to work; you have 2 you spend 7-8 million bucks a piece on.

But if the quality is that different, you'll use up the good ones and be left with the bad ones. Bullpens no longer cover 400 to 450 innings per season anymore. They cover closer to 600 to 650 innings these days. You can have a couple mop-up guys in an 8 man pen, but you need 5 or 6 guys you'd trust in a close game. This pen is filed with mop-up guys and minor leaguers. Adding 2 quality guys wouldn't be enough.

[HokieRed]

But if the quality is that different, you'll use up the good ones and be left with the bad ones. Bullpens no longer cover 400 to 450 innings per season anymore. They cover closer to 600 to 650 innings these days. You can have a couple mop-up guys in an 8 man pen, but you need 5 or 6 guys you'd trust in a close game. This pen is filed with mop-up guys and minor leaguers. Adding 2 quality guys wouldn't be enough.

Getting two quality guys is a start. This org. hasn't been willing to do that thus far. Small steps. I've no objection, of course, to having 8 guys you could really rely on.

[mth123]

Getting two quality guys is a start. This org. hasn't been willing to do that thus far. Small steps. I've no objection, of course, to having 8 guys you could really rely on.

Obviously 2 quality guys is better than no quality guys, so I agree there. I just want the mindset to change from "we can piece it together from the scrap heap" to we need to identify specific roles we want filled and go find guys to fill them. Even if this team had a high end closer and a shut down fireman, they'd still blow a bunch of games in the 6th and 7th inning. Then they'd start using those guys too much and they would lose their effectiveness as well (possibly permanently as we saw with Lecure and Hernandez).

[HokieRed]

Obviously 2 quality guys is better than no quality guys, so I agree there. I just want the mindset to change from "we can piece it together from the scrap heap" to we need to identify specific roles we want filled and go find guys to fill them. Even if this team had a high end closer and a shut down fireman, they'd still blow a bunch of games in the 6th and 7th inning. Then they'd start using those guys too much and they would lose their effectiveness as well (possibly permanently as we saw with Lecure and Hernandez).

Couldn't agree more. I've said for years on here the easiest way to upgrade the team is to upgrade the pen. They should continually be looking to upgrade.

[Sassy Sal]

So I just got around to checking out the game thread from yesterday and I see a lot of mention of Cessa being overused and burned out. I've seen probably 99% of all the games he's been in with this team and I never felt like he was being overused. If anything, it feels like he's a one step forward and two steps back type of guy (like so many guys in the BP). I certainly don't think Bell did anything to damage the guy by giving him every opportunity to prove that he can be a reliable reliever. Of course, this is just from my observation and not any statistical analysis FWIW.

[TNRED]

I'm not a fan of having to jump around to different apps to watch games. Of course, I wish MLB TV would get rid of blackouts because I usually have to listen to the audio feed for Reds games. But it's silly to make fans hop on YouTube, get an Apple app, and get Peacock just to watch games during the season, especially if they are in a market to watch their team on MLB TV's online service.

No problem. just get you a vpn. mine is based in London and I get all mlb games.

[Flyer Guy]

Reds Management does not want to pay for a quality bull pen and it shows.