6-11- 22 Reds @ Cardinals 2:15 PM

[Ron Madden]

Reds
1. Nick Senzel (R) CF
2. Brandon Drury (R) 3B
3. Tommy Pham (R) LF
4. Joey Votto (L) DH
5. Kyle Farmer (R) SS
6. Matt Reynolds (R) 2B
7. Colin Moran (L) 1B
8. Albert Almora Jr. (R) RF
9. Chris Okey (R) C
SP Hunter Greene

Cardinals
1. Tommy Edman (S) SS
2. Nolan Gorman (L) DH
3. Paul Goldschmidt (R) 1B
4. Nolan Arenado (R) 3B
5. Tyler O'Neill (R) LF
6. Brendan Donovan (L) 2B
7. Dylan Carlson (S) RF
8. Yadier Molina (R) C
9. Harrison Bader (R) CF
SP Adam Wainwright (R)

[757690]

Congratulations to Chris Okey on his first MLB start!

[Ron Madden]

Mark Sheldon
@m_sheldon

Big age gap in opposing pitchers today.
When 40-year-old Adam Wainwright was drafted in the 1st round of the 2000 MLB Draft by the Braves, 22-year-old Hunter Greene was less than a year old. Greene was born 8/6/99.

[Ron Madden]

Mark Sheldon
@m_sheldon

A couple of pregame tidbits:
Joey Votto is a career .317 hitter with a 1.039 OPS and 4 homers vs. Wainwright in 60 ABs.

Votto is slashing .355/.474/.774 (11-for-31) 3 HR, 12 RBIs during his current 9-game hit streak.

[SomeCallMeTim]

Congratulations to Chris Okey on his first MLB start!

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[TheBigLebowski]

The long-awaited debut of über-prospect Chris Okey, who will be catching some other farmhand named Green.

Nick Senzel is back from his most recent bout with rheumatoid arthritis with a side of whooping cough and a hyperextended r mandible. We’re all wishing him well.

Should be a fun one.

[texasdave]

The long-awaited debut of über-prospect Chris Okey, who will be catching some other farmhand named Green.

Nick Senzel is back from his most recent bout with rheumatoid arthritis with a side of whooping cough and a hyperextended r mandible. We’re all wishing him well.

Should be a fun one.

All I need is "hurt back swinging weighted bat" to have a winning card at NickSenzelInjuryBingo.com.

[SomeCallMeTim]

The long-awaited debut of über-prospect Chris Okey, who will be catching some other farmhand named Green.

Nick Senzel is back from his most recent bout with rheumatoid arthritis with a side of whooping cough and a hyperextended r mandible. We’re all wishing him well.

Should be a fun one.

I’ll take Senzel in a body cast over Friedl at leadoff.

[RedTeamGo!]

I feel like Okey wouldn’t have gotten this chance in any other organization. It’s difficult to perform as badly as he did at the minor league level for as many years as he did. Most orgs would have cut him. His 2017, 2018, and 2019 were terrible.

[podgejeff_]

I'm glad Senzel is back for a few games before he's hurt by a barometric pressure drop at the ballpark.

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I feel like Okey wouldn’t have gotten this chance in any other organization. It’s difficult to perform as badly as he did at the minor league level for as many years as he did. Most orgs would have cut him. His 2017, 2018, and 2019 were terrible.

He's a catcher that got a sizeable bonus. He'll probably have a 10 year career.

[Kc61]

Cards catchers do an excellent job of snapping the pitch back into the strike zone.

I guess many catchers do it, but seems to work well for them.

[NebraskaRed]

Mark Sheldon
@m_sheldon

Reds claimed OF Stuart Fairchild off waivers from Arizona and optioned him to Louisville. RHP James Marinan was DFA'd. Fairchild was originally in the Reds organization and traded to the D-Backs with Josh VanMeter for reliever Archie Bradley in 2020.

Now trade Fairchild to the Angels for Bradley

[icehole3]

88mph slider back foot

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99 outside corner geez

[Reds Fanatic]

Greene strikes out the side

[icehole3]

Greene may have his no hit stuff today.

[podgejeff_]

Absolute filth. Once he puts everything together, he's going to be scary.

[KeefeCato]

88mph slider back foot

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99 outside corner geez

Greene will win a Cy Young one day maybe multiple ones. If injuries don't derail him.

[NebraskaRed]

Cardinals announcers got very excited by Edmond's 9 pitch AB and then kind of mumbled about Greene striking out the side

[Ky Fried Redleg]

Greene may have his no hit stuff today.

Barring injury, the guy will throw a couple of them before he hanggs up his cleats.

[Reds Fanatic]

4 Ks for Greene

[icehole3]

97 high outside corner

[757690]

I feel like Okey wouldn’t have gotten this chance in any other organization. It’s difficult to perform as badly as he did at the minor league level for as many years as he did. Most orgs would have cut him. His 2017, 2018, and 2019 were terrible.

Catchers are a rare commodity. If Okey is solid defensively, he would stay in any organization no matter how well he hit.

[icehole3]

98 in on the hands my lord

[KeefeCato]

Going to be lucky to get 5 innings out of Greene today. Over 40 pitches through 2.

[podgejeff_]

Greene needed that one pitch out. Cards have done a good job fighting in the box.

[Reds Fanatic]

Molina flies out and we are through 2 scoreless

[757690]

Chris Okey - 1.000 lifetime OBP

[NebraskaRed]

Okey HBP in his first major league AB

Also, Cardinals announcers seem to think that pitch #3, which was almost in the dirt, should have been strike 3.

[TheBigLebowski]

Wainwright sending a message. We’re not afraid of your mashers.

[Reds Fanatic]

Drury doubles 2nd and 3rd

[podgejeff_]

Phamtastic. A double brings in two runs.

[SomeCallMeTim]

Okey wearing Fisk’s number from his Chisox days.

[Reds Fanatic]

Pham doubles in 2 runs! 2-0 Reds

[NebraskaRed]

2-0

[TheBigLebowski]

Sorry bout that Veronica…PHAMMY

[icehole3]

Reds own Wainwright.

[SomeCallMeTim]

OK Joseph D, lets make it 3.

[Reds Fanatic]

Farmer singles in a run. 3-0 Reds

[SomeCallMeTim]

Farmer singles in a run. 3-0 Reds

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[Ky Fried Redleg]

Same ol' same ol' for Wainy against the Reds...

[podgejeff_]

For all of his problems, Senzel really plays a good CF for a converted infielder.

[podgejeff_]

Nice easy inning for Greene. Maybe he goes 6.

[RedTeamGo!]

The Farm Dawg gets so many clutch hits

[kaldaniels]

After that record breaking “he threw the most 100mph pitches” game, Greene had a bit of a hiccup but has been dominant since he dialed it back to 97/98 it seems.

[podgejeff_]

How was that a strike?

[Kc61]

How was that a strike?

Senzel seems to get a lot of bad strike calls. Probably needs to swing a little earlier rather than take borderline pitches.

[TheBigLebowski]

Senzel is boring.

[icehole3]

Perfect pitch to Goldy.

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Hunter dialed it up to Goldy and Arenado good work.

[podgejeff_]

Triple digit gas inside and Donovan had nothing.

[icehole3]

Nasty

[Banshee]

Greene's pretty good.

[Kc61]

Agree with Reds’ announcers that Okey looking good defensively.

[icehole3]

Cards gotta be thinking we can get that bullpen.

[TheBigLebowski]

Hunter’s got it working. Love watching him when he’s on.

[kaldaniels]

The front office needs to make these Greene years count.

I’d be fine in a playoff game with him starting against anyone, right now. He may be the underdog but he can go toe to toe with anyone when locked in.

[SomeCallMeTim]

I have this sickening feeling this is going to be a repeat of Thursday.

I hope not, but I have zero faith ths BP can hold a lead greater than 5.

[kaldaniels]

I have this sickening feeling this is going to be a repeat of Thursday.

I hope not, but I have zero faith ths BP can hold a lead greater than 5.

I actually feel good. Cards are kinda sleepwalking. We can win this.

[TheBigLebowski]

Votto has had some bad swings today, but luckily he got enough of that one.

[Tom Servo]

The Farm Dog is determined to NEVER let Barrero take his job

[podgejeff_]

Feels like we should really have more than 3 runs right now.

[NebraskaRed]

Feels like we should really have more than 3 runs right now.

Too many holes in the lineup

[podgejeff_]

The Farm Dog is determined to NEVER let Barrero take his job

I think Farmer could be a supersub and still get starter minutes just fine. He can even spell the catcher's spot.

We need to see what we have in Barrero.

[Tom Servo]

I think Farmer could be a supersub and still get starter minutes just fine. He can even spell catcher.

We need to see what we have in Barrero.
I'm with you.

[podgejeff_]

Greene hitting 102 after 80 pitches.

He's just a freak athlete.

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Also, watching Molina fail and get mad will never get old for me.

[SomeCallMeTim]

I'm with you.

Me three.

[icehole3]

Over matched

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Nice job

[Kc61]

If Farmer is the super sub, who’s the third baseman?

Moose or is he a DH?

Drury? Is he better than Farmer all around? Maybe Drury is the super sub.

If Drury continues to hit, can he play LF?

Or do Reds trade most of them?

Or does Barrero move to CF?

Lot of questions.

[NebraskaRed]

I think I remember some people here saying the Cardinals announcers were good, but to me they are the worst kind of homer. Every single thing the Cardinals do is the greatest.

[podgejeff_]

If Farmer is the super sub, who’s the third baseman?

Moose or is he a DH?

Drury? Is he better than Farmer all around? Maybe Drury is the super sub.

If Drury continues to hit, can he play LF?

Or do Reds trade most of them?

Or does Barrero move to CF?

Lot of questions.

Drury/Moose/Farmer when he subs the spot. Solano when he gets back. Possibly McClain when he comes up. Matt Reynolds when India's back. Lots of options.

Drury's probably getting traded.

We have no shortage of infielders.

[757690]

I think I remember some people here saying the Cardinals announcers were good, but to me they are the worst kind of homer. Every single thing the Cardinals do is the greatest.

Cards radio announcers have always been strong, smart and fair. Their TV announcers have always been the worst kind of homers.

[SomeCallMeTim]

I think Farmer could be a supersub and still get starter minutes just fine. He can even spell the catcher's spot.

We need to see what we have in Barrero.

Also need to drop the Drury signing talk. If you’re going to keep, sign, extend anyone, then it should be Farmer.

He could spell every infield position and DH and get 5 starts a week. I keep him in that role over Senzel in a heartbeat.

[Tom Servo]

can't stand Tommy Edman

[icehole3]

Might be Greene's last batter

[kaldaniels]

Might be Greene's last batter

Should be with Goldy lurking.

[Kc61]

Diaz pitched two innings and threw 31 pitches on Thursday. He’s now warming again. And entering.

This is the hidden disaster of a lousy bullpen.

[SomeCallMeTim]

From the A train to the…

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[Reds Fanatic]

Whew that was close. Senzel caught it a the wall . 3-1 Reds

[kaldaniels]

How can you watch close pitches continuously be called wrong in big situations and not want a consistent robo ump?

[Coopdaddy67]

Great job by Diaz getting out of that with a multi-run lead.

[OldFashionedRed]

How can you watch close pitches continuously be called wrong in big situations and not want a consistent robo ump?

Would not surprise me a bit if these umps KNOW their time is up (unless they want to ump in the minors or even lower than that), so they're just going through the motions, recalling grudges.

[Reds Fanatic]

Good job by Diaz to get out of that

[50YrRedsFan]

Time for Senzel to be at the bottom of the order.

[icehole3]

Wainwright got every call today.

[SomeCallMeTim]

Time for Senzel to be at the bottom of the order.

I think its time for him to be on another roster.

[OldFashionedRed]

Time for Senzel to be at the bottom of the order.

He's the epitome of blown chances. Sorry, love his effort in the field, but good/great fielders are a dime a dozen.

[Ky Fried Redleg]

*** SCOREBOARD STUMPER***

Since 1970, there have been eight(8) players who have won five or more Gold Glove awards while playing for either the Reds or the Cardinals. How many can you name???

[SomeCallMeTim]

Wainwright got every call today.

And in other news, water is still wet. [emoji1787]

[SomeCallMeTim]

*** SCOREBOARD STUMPER***

Since 1970, there have been eight(8) players who have won five or more Gold Glove awards while playing for either the Reds or the Cardinals. How many can you name???

Concepcion, Morgan, Bench, Ozzie Smith, Keith Hernandez, Molina.

[NebraskaRed]

Cardinals attempted to murder the Reds best player, Colin Moran

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I'm glad the Cardinals keep hitting grounders to Lopez so he can practice throws to first.

[Joeyjection19]

Drury-Lopez-Farmer-Reynolds-Okey may be the worst infield I've ever seen from the Reds. I'm happy to be proven wrong.

[icehole3]

Drury-Lopez-Farmer-Reynolds-Okey may be the worst infields I've ever seen from the Reds. I'm happy to be proven wrong.

Reynolds easily the worst.

[Reds Fanatic]

Big DP to end the inning

[RedForLife]

Now, that was a gift!

[NebraskaRed]

Never doubted Cessa for a second...

[50YrRedsFan]

Cessa lucky there. Perfect dp grounder.

[NebraskaRed]

Kyle Fourmer

[Reds Fanatic]

4 hit day for Farmer

[50YrRedsFan]

Greene with 7 k's while throwing near 100 mph. Wainwright with 7 k's while throwing near 89 mph. Amazing

[Reds Fanatic]

Reynolds singles to center 1st and 2nd

[Reds Fanatic]

Lopez singles in a run. 4-1 Reds!

[herbdizzle]

*** SCOREBOARD STUMPER***

Since 1970, there have been eight(8) players who have won five or more Gold Glove awards while playing for either the Reds or the Cardinals. How many can you name???

Scott Rolen?

[NebraskaRed]

Horrible bunt attempt

[OldFashionedRed]

Why even bunt there?

[Dawink]

I think I remember some people here saying the Cardinals announcers were good, but to me they are the worst kind of homer. Every single thing the Cardinals do is the greatest.

As I watch my beloved Reds here in Missouri and am FORCED to listen to these arrogant ——! Call a game I can assure you, if you had to watch them for every Reds/Cards game you would LONG for Sadak and anyone else!! I cannot stand them. It kills them to say anything good about the Reds, it’s always how the Cardinals couldn’t take advantage of so and so. Ugggh can’t stand them.


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[Ron Madden]

Whew that was close. Senzel caught it a the wall . 3-1 Reds







Charlie Goldsmith
@CharlieG__

The Cardinals had the bases loaded with one out in the sixth. Nick Senzel saved the inning for the Reds with a leaping catch at the wall on a sac fly, and Alexis Diaz only allowed one run.

[50YrRedsFan]

Hunter (regular or ethyl) Strickland in.

[icehole3]

No lead is safe.

[NebraskaRed]

Hunter (regular or ethyl) Strickland in.

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[TheBigLebowski]

Bell’s really going to go back to Toni Tone Tony again in the 9th, isn’t he??

Bumfuzzling.

[icehole3]

Hunter (regular or ethyl) Strickland in.

Strickland is what I keep in my trunk just in case I run out of gas.

[OldFashionedRed]

Cessa and Strickland.

[NebraskaRed]

Other than Diaz, everyone in the bullpen makes me incredibly nervous.

[LeatherPants]

Bell’s really going to go back to Toni Tone Tony again in the 9th, isn’t he??

Bumfuzzling.

It’s not like he has a lot of options out there. Problem with having cheap idiots in charge.

[KeefeCato]

Strickland was a solid pitcher till he signed with the Reds. I thought it was a solid signing. He has been decent of late after being horrible to start the year. It seems like no matter who they pickup for the pen end up being awful the minute they sign them.

[NebraskaRed]

Arenado is so good.

[KeefeCato]

4-3 Now.

[Reds Fanatic]

Now 4-3. Bullpen about to blow another game.

[OldFashionedRed]

But we got guys up there patiently waiting to swing at something six inches off the plate. Credit due to Arenado.

[50YrRedsFan]

The Reds ship is circling the drain.

[TheBigLebowski]

It’s not like he has a lot of options out there. Problem with having cheap idiots in charge.

We know this is a lost season. Diaz has been one of the very few bright spots. Let him close. Take his lumps and pitch in hi-lev situations.

And besides, we know Santillan cannot do it. There’s no value to putting him out there again.

[SomeCallMeTim]

Maybe this team has their high leverage arms mixed up.

We get 2 scoreless BP innings last night when we’re behind but Strickland and Santillan can’t hold a lead.

[Kc61]

Strickland was a solid pitcher till he signed with the Reds. I thought it was a solid signing. He has been decent of late after being horrible to start the year. It seems like no matter who they pickup for the pen end up being awful the minute they sign them.

Strickland was good with the Giants but that’s a few years ago. Since then he’s bounced around from team to team.

The Reds signed him around March 22. Ask yourself why he was still available at that point in the off-season.

They look for the cheapest guys who don’t have a deal at the very end. Similar to the Doolittle signing, another very good reliever but from years back.

[Redsfan6272]

Every time I see Strickland in a game he can't get 3 outs but Bell keeps going to him.. ugh

[TheBigLebowski]

Strickland was a solid pitcher till he signed with the Reds. I thought it was a solid signing. He has been decent of late after being horrible to start the year. It seems like no matter who they pickup for the pen end up being awful the minute they sign them.

I liked it too, but I think our perspectives are so horribly skewed because we’re unaccustomed to making even halfway decent bullpen acquisitions. Strickland seemed like Dennis Eckersley to us - on paper.

[Strikes Out Looking]

On the bright side, the Castellini's have aligned their resources to payroll. On the dark side, they are idiots. Rich, but still idiots.

[dakota42]

Wow.I love that dumb play.

[JohnnyBench5]

Bell and his excellent management of the BP strikes again...

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[50YrRedsFan]

Cardinal tootblan

[JohnnyBench5]

66 looks like a softball pitcher...he is doing well though...Strickland needs to hit the pavement...


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[Kingspoint]

This game is close, Nick. Would be nice if you showed up.

[NebraskaRed]

Every time I see Strickland in a game he can't get 3 outs but Bell keeps going to him.. ugh

Not a defense of Strickland at all, but I don't know who Bell could go to that's any better. They're all not great except for Diaz.

[OldFashionedRed]

Not a big fan of competitors having cheerful banter. I miss the old days when guys hated other teams, held grudges, weren't afraid to have you seeing stars.

[SomeCallMeTim]

Bell and his excellent management of the BP strikes again...

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I’m not a bell fan or apologist.

Maybe Bell’s not the best in game strategist, but the simple fact is the arms or lack thereof.

[Kingspoint]

This game is close, Nick. Would be nice if you showed up.

Swings at 1 of 5 pitches. Out.

[KeefeCato]

Strickland was good with the Giants but that’s a few years ago. Since then he’s bounced around from team to team.

The Reds signed him around March 22. Ask yourself why he was still available at that point in the off-season.

They look for the cheapest guys who don’t have a deal at the very end. Similar to the Doolittle signing, another very good reliever but from years back.

He was good with Tampa and Milwaukee last year. Bad in 6 innings with the Angels. Solid overall basic stats last year. I didn't expect him to be lockdown guy. Thought he'd be much better though than he has been.

[TheBigLebowski]

This game is close, Nick. Would be nice if you showed up.

You probably hurt his feelings, and he’s back on the DL.

[SomeCallMeTim]

Swings at 1 of 5 pitches. Out.

0-5 today.

Friedl 0-4 last night.

Need India STAT!

[NebraskaRed]

There is a certain "bro" quality to most people on the Cardinals

[malcontent]

Bell’s really going to go back to Toni Tone Tony again in the 9th, isn’t he??

Bumfuzzling.
I'd like to see Kuhnel get a chance here, but I guess it will be Santillan.

[SomeCallMeTim]

I'd like to see Kuhnel get a chance here, but I guess it will be Santillan.

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By no I mean no Santillan, but I guess if he’s gone swim he’s gotta learn.

[KeefeCato]

0-5 today.

Friedl 0-4 last night.

Need India STAT!

Been a lost year for India. He may come back like a house of fire. Or he may not hit a lick for a while.

[757690]

I'd like to see Kuhnel get a chance here, but I guess it will be Santillan.

Those who do not learn from history are bound to repeat it.

[TheBigLebowski]

I'd like to see Kuhnel get a chance here, but I guess it will be Santillan.

Yes. Leave Kuhnel. Why not? We thought he might be that guy for a couple of years. Why not see what he can do?

[Ky Fried Redleg]

*** SCOREBOARD STUMPER***

Since 1970, there have been eight(8) players who have won five or more Gold Glove awards while playing for either the Reds or the Cardinals. How many can you name???

Bench
Morgan
Concepcion

Molina
Keith Hernandez
Ozzie Smith
Scott Rolen( 4 with Cards; 1 with Reds)
Jim Edmunds

[KeefeCato]

I'd like to see Kuhnel get a chance here, but I guess it will be Santillan.

I'd give him a shot. What do they have to lose? I don't expect Kuhnel to be any good long term. But small sample he has thrown the ball pretty good. He is at least starting the 9th.

[rob meehan]

stubborn bell going to santillon again. i hope not. go joe cool!

[SomeCallMeTim]

Well what d’ya know?

[Red Raindog]

May not work but I like trying something besides Tony


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[TheBigLebowski]

Yeah, good on Bell for giving him a try

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Ok Joel. Walk the leadoff guy. Way to show you deserve this opp.

[NebraskaRed]

For the first time in my life I will say, Thank you Yadier Molina

[Red Raindog]

Got to love Yadier DP


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[KeefeCato]

And he walks the leadoff batter. For those who hate on Bell and his bullpen management. Tell me who do you use here?
If you use Diaz to close. You might be tied or losing this game at the start of the 9th. Diaz got out of a jam in the 6th. Had he not pitched the 6th. Might not be a lead to try and close now.

[TheBigLebowski]

Ohhhh…5-4-3!

One more out!

It was freaking Molina too.

[SomeCallMeTim]

Bench
Morgan
Concepcion

Molina
Keith Hernandez
Ozzie Smith
Scott Rolen( 4 with Cards; 1 with Reds)
Jim Edmunds

Had 6 of 8. I was trying to think of a pitcher. I feel stupid forgetting Rolen.

[Red Raindog]

That was stupid Kuhnel


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[TheBigLebowski]

Kuhnel is every Reds reliever we have this year, fused into one husky and seemingly confused package.

[KeefeCato]

So much for Kuhnel.

[NebraskaRed]

Of course

[Strikes Out Looking]

sell the team bob and take your boy with you.

[malcontent]

ouch

[RedTeamGo!]

Lmao what can you say

[RedForLife]

What a bullpen!

[Red Raindog]

How much do we miss Antone?


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[Redsfan6272]

When your a "Winning team" you find ways to win.. when your the Reds and cheap you find ways to loose

[phlbilly]

This bullpen is a disgrace….Diaz is the only one who should even be on the roster

[Ky Fried Redleg]

Three hours of my life and then that... sucks.

[RiverfrontRed]

Reds continue to be a clown show. Embarrassing.

[SomeCallMeTim]

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[OldFashionedRed]

Absolutely sickening. I just said to my husband "there is NO WAY I could sit there and watch that game after game, and be able to do nothing about it". Strickland needs cut. We got guys consistently coming in not ready to pitch. Trying to be fancy and missing badly.

[50YrRedsFan]

It just had to end like this.

[Dawink]

It’s absolutely laughable at this point.


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[Banshee]

Amazing.

[rob meehan]

and where was lefty detwiler against edman and gorman?

[TheBigLebowski]

There’s an ambo pulling on to the field to fetch Senzel - he jerked his neck too hard watching that ball leave and hyperextended a testicle.

[OldFashionedRed]

sell the team bob and take your boy with you.

I'm in agreement, that may be what they're trying to do. Lower the value enough that someone will buy.

[Sassy Sal]

I think I must keep watching to see things like this.

[KeefeCato]

They are never going to be a complete team under this ownership. That's a fact.
They will have a year with a good lineup. But terrible pitching.
Or they will have outstanding pitching 2020 but nobody hits.

[Redsfan6272]

Absolutely sickening. I just said to my husband "there is NO WAY I could sit there and watch that game after game, and be able to do nothing about it". Strickland needs cut. We got guys consistently coming in not ready to pitch. Trying to be fancy and missing badly.

Sadly the owner sees this game after game but does nothing about it... if I had Bob's money like hell I be second fiddle to the Cardinals!!!!

[Alabama Red]

Thought we had that one on the bag. Bullpen is awful.

[Ironman92]

Glad I sat this one out

[Ky Fried Redleg]

Can't overestimate the value of having lockdown guys in the 8th and 9th innings.

[SomeCallMeTim]

Next thing you know they are going to lose a no-hitter.

[JohnnyBench5]

Oh no! We suck again! The one thing we haven't tried is firing Bell...what have we got to lose...?

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[KeefeCato]

Absolutely sickening. I just said to my husband "there is NO WAY I could sit there and watch that game after game, and be able to do nothing about it". Strickland needs cut. We got guys consistently coming in not ready to pitch. Trying to be fancy and missing badly.

I'm not necessarily disagreeing with you on Strickland.
But do you really think his replacement would be any better?
All comes back to they need a new owner.

[Alabama Red]

Correct. There are too many missing pieces and there isn’t enough talent in the system to cover all areas. They’re going to have to spend some money on quality players and they’re not willing to do that.

[icehole3]

and where was lefty detwiler against edman and gorman?

Media to Bell: WTF happened?

Bell:

https://i.imgur.com/puO1Ggo.gif

[Redsfan6272]

Man I miss Chapman in the ninth...

[Dawink]

and where was lefty detwiler against edman and gorman?

So glad I’m
Not the only one thinking that. WHY? Dear Lord maybe Edman gets a hit but I doubt he homers off of Detwiler. Good Lord man, please make this stop. I agree he HAD to use Diaz in the 6th today but then it should have been all matchup based when you were fortunate to get to the ninth with a lead. Just befuddling. And what’s sadder possibly is I will watch again tomorrow lol


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[NebraskaRed]

Trade Castillo and Mahle (if you can). Get it over with.

[TheBigLebowski]

So glad I’m
Not the only one thinking that. WHY? Dear Lord maybe Edman gets a hit but I doubt he homers off of Detwiler. Good Lord man, please make this stop. I agree he HAD to use Diaz in the 6th today but then it should have been all matchup based when you were fortunate to get to the ninth with a lead. Just befuddling. And what’s sadder possibly is I will watch again tomorrow lol


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Come on. I don’t like Bell at all, but he can’t be held responsible for what just happened. At all.

[SomeCallMeTim]

can't stand Tommy Edman

How do you feel now?

[SomeCallMeTim]

This is so demoralizing for all of the starters. They give 6-7 solid innings and their work is all for naught. I feel for them.

[Kc61]

No problem with Santillan and Kuhnel — but not in these critical spots. Not yet anyway. Giving games away.

[LoudounReds]

Just back to room after watching today’s debacle in person.

Knew it was coming. Was just a matter of how. This team loves ripping the hearts out of its fans.

[OldFashionedRed]

I'm not necessarily disagreeing with you on Strickland.
But do you really think his replacement would be any better?
All comes back to they need a new owner.

You're right, the replacement may not be any better, but I think it's more about sending a message: perform, or you will be somewhere else. A new owner might just help that happen. Bell makes some boneheaded moves, but I feel bad for the guy having to sit there KNOWING what's inevitable. More than once I've mentioned this, but I don't know if there's a league-wide problem of players starting the season fat and out of shape. I mean, you're an ATHLETE, everyone should be in shape and then you let the differences in skill dictate things. Is it too much to ask for players to stand on the mound and not look like Babe Ruth pitching?

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Come on. I don’t like Bell at all, but he can’t be held responsible for what just happened. At all.

I do think Bell could instill a little more fire in this ballclub, maybe hold guys accountable for what they do off the field? Piniella wouldn't put up with this, my memory is foggy.

[Tony Cloninger]

What are they doing off the field that requires Bell to out his foot down?

I agree they tolerate bad performances a lot as this roster clearly shows with Aquino and Stricknine.

In 1992 Pinella saw the Reds overrated by that point bullpen of Dibble and Charlton blow 10 games in the 8-9 innings that year. At least 2 to the Braves in the 9th. One to the Mets on a walk off from that horrible Bonilla who was bad that year with Dibble tearing off his uniform. Pinella did finally lose it with Dibble and his talking to the press. But Lou put up with it a lot and really so did the FO. I mean they had only 1 LH in that pen besides Charlton. He was bad too. Scott Ruskin.

At least this team has an excuse that they are all bad save for Diaz.

[traderumor]

if your best pitchers are only able to go 5-6 innings as starters cover the opening innings with relief and bring in starter in 4th. I know, rotation arms have a pregame routine to get ready for 1st pitch, so they develop a routine to enter in game.

For a roster builder to have a plan that requires your weakest members of the staff to cover 33-44% of your need is stupidity beyond belief, but geniuses all over the league are trying it. How's that working out?

[LeatherPants]

You're right, the replacement may not be any better, but I think it's more about sending a message: perform, or you will be somewhere else. A new owner might just help that happen. Bell makes some boneheaded moves, but I feel bad for the guy having to sit there KNOWING what's inevitable. More than once I've mentioned this, but I don't know if there's a league-wide problem of players starting the season fat and out of shape. I mean, you're an ATHLETE, everyone should be in shape and then you let the differences in skill dictate things. Is it too much to ask for players to stand on the mound and not look like Babe Ruth pitching?

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I do think Bell could instill a little more fire in this ballclub, maybe hold guys accountable for what they do off the field? Piniella wouldn't put up with this, my memory is foggy.

If Bell were to bench everyone not playing well, they wouldn’t be able to field a team. This is on ownership not him.

[KeefeCato]

Like I have said. In today's game starters go 6. You need a bare minimum of 4 consistently good relievers. 6 is what most of the top teams have. 6 good ones and they fill the last 2-3 spots with guys who are the better Reds relievers. Santillan, Kuhnel. Hoffman, Cessa. Warren those types are the last 2-3 pitchers/mop up guys on good bullpen.
The Reds have exactly 1 good reliever and he is unproven. Who knows how his season and career will go. Looks very promising but still unproven.

[CrosleyVet]

Like I have said. In today's game starters go 6. You need a bare minimum of 4 consistently good relievers. 6 is what most of the top teams have. 6 good ones and they fill the last 2-3 spots with guys who are the better Reds relievers. Santillan, Kuhnel. Hoffman, Cessa. Warren those types are the last 2-3 pitchers/mop up guys on good bullpen.
The Reds have exactly 1 good reliever and he is unproven. Who knows how his season and career will go. Looks very promising but still unproven.

The Reds bullpen would not make any competing team, none of them

[Ironman92]

Watched replay…..throw a 2-1 pitch down and in to a lefty? Awful. I have zero trust in the two pitchers they use in the 8th and 9th

Another awful loss, let’s get used to blowing games late after leading all game

[KeefeCato]

The Reds bullpen would not make any competing team, none of them

No team has a good 8th or 9th reliever really. They just keep rotating to and from the minors. But most good teams bullpens go 5-6 deep with quality arms.

[Ky Fried Redleg]

You're right, the replacement may not be any better, but I think it's more about sending a message: perform, or you will be somewhere else. A new owner might just help that happen. Bell makes some boneheaded moves, but I feel bad for the guy having to sit there KNOWING what's inevitable. More than once I've mentioned this, but I don't know if there's a league-wide problem of players starting the season fat and out of shape. I mean, you're an ATHLETE, everyone should be in shape and then you let the differences in skill dictate things. Is it too much to ask for players to stand on the mound and not look like Babe Ruth pitching?

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I do think Bell could instill a little more fire in this ballclub, maybe hold guys accountable for what they do off the field? Piniella wouldn't put up with this, my memory is foggy.

I can't picture Bell lighting a fire under anyone's ass, ala Sweet Lou. I see David as a player's pal, not an enforcer or fire starter.

[Tony Cloninger]

No team has a good 8th or 9th reliever really. They just keep rotating to and from the minors. But most good teams bullpens go 5-6 deep with quality arms.

The Yankees do and it’s nut from spending tons of money. They have 2 very bad retreads who have turned into gold. Wendy freaking Peralta. That’s one of them. Chapman is still good. The Dodgers. Brewers. They are not blowing tons of money on it.