6-18-22 Reds vs Brewers 4:10 PM

[Ron Madden]

Reds
1. Jonathan India (R) 2B
2. Brandon Drury (R) 3B
3. Tommy Pham (R) LF
4. Joey Votto (L) DH
5. Kyle Farmer (R) SS
6. Nick Senzel (R) CF
7. Mike Moustakas (L) 1B
8. Albert Almora Jr. (R) RF
9. Aramis Garcia (R) C
SP Graham Ashcraft (R)

Brewers
1. Christian Yelich (L) DH
2. Willy Adames (R) SS
3. Rowdy Tellez (L) 1B
4. Hunter Renfroe (R) RF
5. Luis Urias (R) 2B
6. Omar Narvaez (L) C
7. Tyrone Taylor (R) LF
8. Jace Peterson (L) 3B
9. Jonathan Davis (R) CF
SP Jason Alexander (R)

[Ron Madden]

Charlie Goldsmith
@CharlieG__

Joey Votto was the DH on Wednesday, off on Friday and at DH today.

[KeefeCato]

Something must be going on with Joey.

[Ron Madden]

Curt Hogg
@CyrtHogg

It’s been a tough day in Cincy for the Brewers. They DFAd Lorenzo Cain on the date of him reaching 10 years of MLB service time.

He placed 7th in MVP voting in 2018 and won a Gold Glove the next.

It was a mutual agreement, Cain said. He’s undecided on what comes next.

[Tony Cloninger]

I think they should use Joey more at DH and give him more rest. I don’t think anything’s wrong with him.

I would prefer no Moose and Schrok playing. That’s the issue.

[Ron Madden]

Charlie Goldsmith
@CharlieG__

David Bell on Joey Votto: "He plays through a lot quietly."

[Red Raindog]

NM

Missed it had been posted already

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[KeefeCato]

I think they should use Joey more at DH and give him more rest. I don’t think anything’s wrong with him.

I would prefer no Moose and Schrok playing. That’s the issue.

I really thought Schrock would play against the RHP. I guess not. He will probably be in the Sunday lineup. I'm sure Pham or Drury will be due for a scheduled rest day.
Disappointing that Schrock isn't going to play though against all RHP.
Hopefully Moose will hit number 200 soon and then get his walking papers.

[TheBigLebowski]

I’m fine with Schrock. It’s Mousse who needs to ride pine.

[KeefeCato]

Trivia. If you saw this on Reds live scrolling across the bottom of the screen please don't answer.

Who had or has the most hits in Crosley ? Riverfront? And GABP?

[malcontent]

6. Nick Senzel (R) CF

What has Senzel ever done to merit hitting 6?

[Red Raindog]

Early clown show


Rinse and repeat

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[TheBigLebowski]

6. Nick Senzel (R) CF

What has Senzel ever done to merit hitting 6?

What’s he done to merit hitting anywhere else?

[NebraskaRed]

15 errors in the last 10 games.

[TheBigLebowski]

No idea how Ashcraft threw a pitch that poorly.

[KeefeCato]

15 errors in the last 10 games.

Most consecutive games since 2000 I think is what Sadak said.

[malcontent]

What’s he done to merit hitting anywhere else?
Trust me, I wasn't suggesting anywhere higher than 6.

[KeefeCato]

Trust me, I wasn't suggesting anywhere higher than 6.

Huge problem for Senzel is he hits everything on the ground. Lifts nothing.
His GB rate has to be one of the highest of any hitter. And his hard hit rate one of the worst.

[TheBigLebowski]

Huge problem for Senzel is he hits everything on the ground. Lifts nothing.
His GB rate has to be one of the highest of any hitter. And his hard hit rate one of the worst.

And it’s shocking to realize that when those are combined, the result is rather dreadful.

[TheBigLebowski]

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This guy has to be hittable.

[Red Raindog]

And it’s shocking to realize that when those are combined, the result is rather dreadful.

That gets you a .525 OPS


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[VR]

Ashcraft fields his position really well. Love it.


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[Big Klu]

6. Nick Senzel (R) CF

What has Senzel ever done to merit hitting 6?


What’s he done to merit hitting anywhere else?


Trust me, I wasn't suggesting anywhere higher than 6.

A few years ago, we had an outfielder on our JV softball team who was not a strong hitter. She played regularly because she was a decent defender in the OF, but was a liability at the plate and usually batted at the bottom of the order. Anyway, after one game her dad -- who had unrealistic expectations of how good she was, and was one of those parents who "keeps his own book" and therefore had her BA over .400 -- confronted the coach and asked him why she always batted 9th.

The coach looked him straight in the eye and replied, "Because I can't bat her 10th." The dad walked away livid!

[Red Raindog]

That was one of Nick’s harder hit balls
All the way to 3B


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[Tony Cloninger]

Does the batting order go up to 11?

[OldFashionedRed]

Batting that high just doesn't make any senzel.

[NebraskaRed]

I was hoping Ashcraft could bounce back from his last poor start...

[mth123]

Trivia. If you saw this on Reds live scrolling across the bottom of the screen please don't answer.

Who had or has the most hits in Crosley ? Riverfront? And GABP?

Pinson, Rose, Votto

[RedTeamGo!]

When you strike out 2 batters a game this result is inevitable.

::ducks::

[BCubb2003]

I was hoping Ashcraft could bounce back from his last poor start...

Is he being exposed, or is it something he can overcome?

[VR]

Alexander was 17-22 with a 4.55 earnie in his minor league career.


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[VR]

What a fricken joke. Just can’t catch a break of any kind.


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[Ron Madden]

I thought he caught it


and he did catch it so umps call is overturned

[CaiGuy]

Alexander was 17-22 with a 4.55 earnie in his minor league career.


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Seems to be their version of Conner Overton.

[podgejeff_]

Seems to be their version of Conner Overton.

Except, you know, not hurt.

[podgejeff_]

Nice read by Pham. Larkin immediately tells me I'm wrong.

[KeefeCato]

Pinson, Rose, Votto

2 out of 3.
Pinson. Concepcion and Votto.

[podgejeff_]

India smokes a ball to Adames that he can't control.

The Reds get one back.

[VR]

For twenty years I’ve felt like the Reds never bother scouting other teams rookies, and they come in looking like Cy Young winners.


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[KeefeCato]

Is he being exposed, or is it something he can overcome?

My best guess is Ashcraft will probably end up being a 4th starter type. Possibly a 3 as a ceiling.

[TheBigLebowski]

This team can’t freaking hit. Lots of things it can’t do, actually, and the sum total of those things makes for some really bad baseball.

[Ky Fried Redleg]

I really thought Schrock would play against the RHP. I guess not. He will probably be in the Sunday lineup. I'm sure Pham or Drury will be due for a scheduled rest day.
Disappointing that Schrock isn't going to play though against all RHP.
Hopefully Moose will hit number 200 soon and then get his walking papers.

I have always liked Schrock. Dude can hit. I would be playing him all he time against righties.

[Ky Fried Redleg]

Nice read by Pham. Larkin immediately tells me I'm wrong.

If only Barry was as good as he is in his own mind.

[Ky Fried Redleg]

2 out of 3.
Pinson. Concepcion and Votto.

Davey turned into a very respectable hitter. When he first game to the bigs he was a very weak hitter with little to no power. As he matured he got much better. Even hit one into the Reds' seats once, I believe.

[TheBigLebowski]

Soo…Ashcraft’s last 2 starts have been bad.

Reds are going nowhere fast in 2022.

Do you leave him in the rotation? Send him to AAA?

[NebraskaRed]

Soo…Ashcraft’s last 2 starts have been bad.

Reds are going nowhere fast in 2022.

Do you leave him in the rotation? Send him to AAA?

Who would replace him that would be any better?

[podgejeff_]

Soo…Ashcraft’s last 2 starts have been bad.

Reds are going nowhere fast in 2022.

Do you leave him in the rotation? Send him to AAA?

Nah. He's a rookie. This season is shot. Let him figure it out here.

[Ky Fried Redleg]

Been away from home. What's the score? What's Senator Ashcraft's line?

[durl]

Seems the only thing the Brewers needed to get out of their long slump was to play an away series against the Reds.

[rob meehan]

reiver sanmartin? send in the clowns!

[NebraskaRed]

What do the Reds see in Sanmartin that nobody else can see?

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Been away from home. What's the score? What's Senator Ashcraft's line?

6 runs, 8 hits in 5 innings.

[Ky Fried Redleg]

What do the Reds see in Sanmartin that nobody else can see?

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6 runs, 8 hits in 5 innings.

Thanks, NR .

[TheBigLebowski]

Who would replace him that would be any better?

I don’t know. That’s part of the question.

Have to assume Justin Dunn will be along eventually. Lodolo coming back. Greene, Castillo and Mahle are locked in unless a trade occurs. And there’s still the Mike Minor Dilemma.

I’m not sure if Ashcraft will be better served at AAA or learning here. W and L are of little concern now. Mostly considering what’s in his best interest long-term.

[OldFashionedRed]

Odds that the Reds are sold before spring break 2023? I'm thinking high.

[KeefeCato]

What do the Reds see in Sanmartin that nobody else can see?

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6 runs, 8 hits in 5 innings.

No idea. He's terrible. I can't fault him this inning so far . He has gotten a ground ball that bounced over Moose's head and a strikeout.

[podgejeff_]

What do the Reds see in Sanmartin that nobody else can see?



He can waste innings in blowouts?

[KeefeCato]

Odds that the Reds are sold before spring break 2023? I'm thinking high.

I'd say 50/50 at best. Not many with the money that wanna invest in a baseball club.
I sure hope you're correct though.

[NebraskaRed]

I don’t know. That’s part of the question.

Have to assume Justin Dunn will be along eventually. Lodolo coming back. Greene, Castillo and Mahle are locked in unless a trade occurs. And there’s still the Mike Minor Dilemma.

I’m not sure if Ashcraft will be better served at AAA or learning here. W and L are of little concern now. Mostly considering what’s in his best interest long-term.

I'd keep him up. Assuming he's healthy and there's nothing physically wrong with him in these last 2 starts, he's just hitting a little rough patch. It would benefit him more to stay and develop.

[RiverRat13]

Soo…Ashcraft’s last 2 starts have been bad.

Reds are going nowhere fast in 2022.

Do you leave him in the rotation? Send him to AAA?The obvious answer is trade their best two starters.

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[podgejeff_]

I'd keep him up. Assuming he's healthy and there's nothing physically wrong with him in these last 2 starts, he's just hitting a little rough patch. It would benefit him more to stay and develop.

Exactly. Everybody knows what he's going to do to AAA hitters.

[BCubb2003]

Odds that the Reds are sold before spring break 2023? I'm thinking high.

To whom?

[TheBigLebowski]

I'd keep him up. Assuming he's healthy and there's nothing physically wrong with him in these last 2 starts, he's just hitting a little rough patch. It would benefit him more to stay and develop.

I tend to agree. I just wish we played in a park that was more hospitable to pitchers. A few GABP specials would wreak havoc on anyone’s confidence.

[KeefeCato]

Davey turned into a very respectable hitter. When he first game to the bigs he was a very weak hitter with little to no power. As he matured he got much better. Even hit one into the Reds' seats once, I believe.

Yes he hit one in the Red seats. I knew that he always joked with Foster, Bench and Perez about how he hit the longest Red seat HR.
I knew about this. So one day I got to a meet and greet in Reds hall of fame. Davey and Tony and Eric Davis were in a group seated. They had players grouped in 3s and 4s throughout the Hall.
I see Davey. I immediately say. There is the man would hit the longest Red seat HR. He stands up and screams yes sir. You're the man. Perez and Davis says are you kidding me? And get out of here with that talk. Perez says okay Davey pay the man.

[podgejeff_]

I do believe the Reds have figured out the pitcher has a tell or something.

[KeefeCato]

Thought Moose had number 200.

[podgejeff_]

Moose was THIS close to Denny's.

[KeefeCato]

So Reynolds last night and Almora today that Schrock hits for.
Why not just start the guy against RHP?

[TheBigLebowski]

I really thought that was gone. Those balls are supposed to leave GABP.

Mousse really only has warning track power these days.

[NatiRedGals]

Can we all agree on this is probably a 4-3 or 5-3 game if bell didn't like the song rolling on the river

[KeefeCato]

Sadak says another pinch hitter next. Has to be Friedl. Friedl will take over for Almora. Is my guess and Okey goes to catcher.
They must hate Schrock's Defense.

[TheBigLebowski]

If Zac Gallen and Max Schrock ever end up on the same team:

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[podgejeff_]

Sadak says another pinch hitter next. Has to be Friedl. Friedl will take over for Almora. Is my guess and Okey goes to catcher.
They must hate Schrock's Defense.

Somebody should probably let Bell know that there's this thing called the DH.

[NatiRedGals]

I feel like bell throws in the towel way to early the time 0 reason to let river pitch let alone start him in a jam

[KeefeCato]

Can we all agree on this is probably a 4-3 or 5-3 game if bell didn't like the song rolling on the river

No. San Martin sucks but he got a ground ball that they wanted it hoped over Moose's head. That's bad luck. Then he got K ground out and K.

[NatiRedGals]

No. San Martin sucks but he got a ground ball that they wanted it hoped over Moose's head. That's bad luck. Then he got K ground out and K.

We agree he sucks and shouldn't be called upon to get out of a jam

[NebraskaRed]

Somebody should probably let Bell know that there's this thing called the DH.

Dude is dying to make more double switches. He dreams about them.

[NatiRedGals]

Dude is dying to make more double switches. He dreams about them.

The parents called and said that every kid gets to be in the game everyday has to be fair

[KeefeCato]

We agree he sucks and shouldn't be called upon to get out of a jam

Yes he sucks. But he did a good job. Plus we have been over this ad nauseum. Outside of Diaz and Hoffman being decent this year. They all suck. I know you hate Bell. But he can't pitch Hoffman and Diaz every day. He tried that with Antone last year when he was the only good option. And you see how that ended.
For all I care they can fire Bell today. But until they get a major league bullpen nothing will change. No manager can win with this bunch.

[NatiRedGals]

Yes he sucks. But he did a good job. Plus we have been over this ad nauseum. Outside of Diaz and Hoffman being decent this year. They all suck. I know you hate Bell. But he can't pitch Hoffman and Diaz every day. He tried that with Antone last year when he was the only good option. And you see how that ended.

River has over a 10 Era I don't think anyone else Era is over 10

[podgejeff_]

Is there any way we can get Hunter Renfroe so he doesn't play against us anymore?

We've got spots in the OF.

[TheBigLebowski]

Cessa is Portuguese for “fat pitch”

[NatiRedGals]

Cessa is Portuguese for “fat pitch”

His Era is still better then the guy he brought in when the game was close ��

[Coopdaddy67]

I feel like bell throws in the towel way to early the time 0 reason to let river pitch let alone start him in a jam

Really don't understand the complaint about Sanmartin today. If not for really bad luck, they get out of it unscathed.

Look, a Brewer HR. Fact is, there aren't any answers out in the Reds bullpen, just a bunch of guys Bell can call upon and then pray things work out.

[NatiRedGals]

Really don't understand the complaint about Sanmartin today. If not for really bad luck, they get out of it unscathed.

Look, a Brewer HR. Fact is, there aren't any answers out in the Reds bullpen, just a bunch of guys Bell can call upon and then pray things work out.

He picked the guy who's Era was over 10 next closet Era is Warren who's Era is 7 literally anyone was a better option

[KeefeCato]

River has over a 10 Era I don't think anyone else Era is over 10

Again what did River as you call him do wrong. Other than the ground ball taking a bad hop?
Could have gone Cessa instead and give up a bomb to the first battter I guess.

[Ron Madden]

I'd love to see what Max Schrock could do with everyday playing time

[NatiRedGals]

Again what did River as you call him do wrong. Other than the ground ball taking a bad hop?
Could have gone Cessa instead and give up a bomb to the first battter I guess.

Would have been ok with that since sadly his Era is 3rd best

[KeefeCato]

Really don't understand the complaint about Sanmartin today. If not for really bad luck, they get out of it unscathed.

Look, a Brewer HR. Fact is, there aren't any answers out in the Reds bullpen, just a bunch of guys Bell can call upon and then pray things work out.

His complaint is he hates Bell plain and simple. He chimes in here once or twice a month. When a reliever gives up a run. He hollers about Bell. That's his Schick here.

[Coopdaddy67]

He picked the guy who's Era was over 10 next closet Era is Warren who's Era is 7 literally anyone was a better option

You ignored the part where he came in and did his job. Unfortunately, a ball with a .110 xBA bounced over Moustakas' head. It happens.

[NatiRedGals]

His complaint is he hates Bell plain and simple. He chimes in here once or twice a month. When a reliever gives up a run. He hollers about Bell. That's his Schick here.

You can't tell me with a straight face that this bullpen wouldn't be atleast a little bit better if we didn't have a manager who's married to double switches and not knowing how to run a bullpen?

[TheBigLebowski]

Bell could do things a little better with this pen, but he’s not the problem. Not even close. And I’m not a fan of his.

[NatiRedGals]

You ignored the part where he came in and did his job. Unfortunately, a ball with a .110 xBA bounced over Moustakas' head. It happens.

No I didn't I wasn't mad at river I was mad that river was in there in the first place good for river

[KeefeCato]

Would have been ok with that since sadly his Era is 3rd best

He played matchups like every single major league manager does. Brewers had two straight LHB. Not his fault that both of his LH relievers suck. Yes Detwiler sucks as well. I don't care what his ERA is Detwiler sucks. Always has and his handful of innings with a fairly low ERA this year means nothing.

[podgejeff_]

You can't tell me with a straight face that this bullpen wouldn't be atleast a little bit better if we didn't have a manager who's married to double switches and not knowing how to run a bullpen?

I can tell you, with a straight face, that this bullpen would suck managed by any manager that you could pick out of baseball history.

[Red Raindog]

My best guess is Ashcraft will probably end up being a 4th starter type. Possibly a 3 as a ceiling.

If I remember correctly that’s what Baseball Prospectus saw too

But that’s valuable


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[NatiRedGals]

I can tell you, with a straight face, that this bullpen would suck managed by any manager that you could pick out of baseball history.

Lies cause any other manager would have balls to tell the ownership to screw off bell is only here cause he kisses butt

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We started 3 and 22 wether that's on ownership or not which we all know it is the only reason he's still here is because he's family. Been mangers fired for alot less this year

[KeefeCato]

You can't tell me with a straight face that this bullpen wouldn't be atleast a little bit better if we didn't have a manager who's married to double switches and not knowing how to run a bullpen?

What on earth does a double switch have to do with bullpen?
And if your watching . Bell didn't even make a double switch. He just pinch hit for a couple guys. Difference in pinch hitting and a double switch.

[Ron Madden]

Lies cause any other manager would have balls to tell the ownership to screw off bell is only here cause he kisses butt

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We started 3 and 22 wether that's on ownership or not which we all know it is the only reason he's still here is because he's family. Been mangers fired for alot less this year

It's people !like this that give game threads a bad reputation

[KeefeCato]

If I remember correctly that’s what Baseball Prospectus saw too

But that’s valuable


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Yes it's very valuable.

[NatiRedGals]

It's people !like this that give game threads a bad reputation

We all are here cause we enjoy the reds and want them to do well but don't think it's right to say what you just said if I just sit back and say nothing negative then I'm ok? I'm annoyed us as fans should be annoyed I don't think I said anything that would ruin a game thread

[Ron Madden]

We all are here cause we enjoy the reds and want them to do well but don't think it's right to say what you just said if I just sit back and say nothing negative then I'm ok? I'm annoyed us as fans should be annoyed I don't think I said anything that would ruin a game thread

It's alright to be negative if you have a clue about what you're talking about.

You sure don't do anything to promote intelligent discussion either

[NatiRedGals]

It's alright to be negative if you have a clue about what you're talking about.

OK so you like bell I take it? Also I think it's lines like that starting fights that give game threads a bad rep.

[OldFashionedRed]

I'm in full-blown apathy mode now :( Senzel needs to be back in the leadoff spot, because at least he can get on base. India needs to bat in the bottom until he gets his mojo back.

[podgejeff_]

The game threads have a bad rep?

[NatiRedGals]

The game threads have a bad rep?

I didn't think so but that's what Ron said so I ran with it

[KeefeCato]

It's alright to be negative if you have a clue about what you're talking about.

Every single manager would have brought in Sanmartin there. Because reds GM brought him back to the majors to pitch in relief. His job is to pitch to mostly LHB. You don't use your other LH reliever who has been better than Sanmartin in a game in which your losing. Every manager saves the better LH reliever in game that are close later or games they are winning.

[TheBigLebowski]

The game threads have a bad rep?

Yeah, that’s startling news..

[OldFashionedRed]

It's alright to be negative if you have a clue about what you're talking about.

I don't think it's alright to try and silence someone because you disagree with them. Educate them. Empower them, and the discussion will be for the better.

[KeefeCato]

Every single manager would have brought in Sanmartin there. Because reds GM brought him back to the majors to pitch in relief. His job is to pitch to mostly LHB. You don't use your other LH reliever who has been better than Sanmartin in a game in which your losing. Every manager saves the better LH reliever in game that are close later or games they are winning.

Well never mind I guess you do use your other LHR when your losing sometimes.
1.50 ERA means nothing though for Detwiler he stinks and has been very lucky. It won't be anything near 1.50 soon.

[podgejeff_]

Detwiler's luck continues.

[Red Raindog]

Watching Warren pitch my eyes tell me he should be much better than the reality he offers the bullpen


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[podgejeff_]

Doug gets a broadcast shoutout.

[Ron Madden]

Box Score

https://www.mlb.com/gameday/brewers-vs-reds/2022/06/18/663062#game_state=final,lock_state=final,game_tab= box,game=663062

[Indymoon]

15 errors in the last 10 games.

Terrible throw by Pham - it appeared to slip or didn’t have a good grip. But that ball went thru 2 Reds who both failed to get their body down and in front of the ball. Just disappointing to watch.