7-8-22 Reds vs Rays 6:40

[Ron Madden]

Reds
1. Jonathan India (R) 2B
2. Brandon Drury (R) 1B
3. Tommy Pham (R) LF
4. Kyle Farmer (R) SS
5. Donovan Solano (R) DH
6. Matt Reynolds (R) 3B
7. Nick Senzel (R) CF
8. Albert Almora Jr. (R) RF
9. Michael Papierski (S) C
SP Luis Castillo (R)

Rays
1. Yandy Diaz (R) 3B
2. Wander Franco (S) SS
3. Ji-Man Choi (L) 1B
4. Harold Ramirez (R) DH
5. Randy Arozarena (R) LF
6. Kevin Kiermaier (L) CF
7. Isaac Paredes (R) 2B
8. Rene Pinto (R) C
9. Josh Lowe (L) RF
SP Shane McClanahan (L)

[Ron Madden]

Bobby Nightengale
@nightengalejr

Reds vs. Rays pitching matchups this weekend:

Friday - RHP Luis Castillo vs. LHP Shane McClanahan.

Saturday - RHP Hunter Greene vs. RHP Drew Rasmussen.

Sunday - LHP Nick Lodolo vs. RHP Shane Baz.

[KeefeCato]

Any news on Joey?

[klw]

Joel Luckhaupt
@jluckhaupt
·
2h

Good matchup this weekend. The Reds are 17.5 GB in their division and the Rays are 14.5 GB in their division. Must be similar teams. #analysis

:laugh:

[Ron Madden]

Any news on Joey?




Charlie Goldsmith
@CharlieG__

Joey Votto (back soreness) will ramp up baseball activities today. He’s expected to be back in the lineup this weekend.

Votto is currently taking batting practice, which is the first time he has hit on the field in the last few days.

[klw]

Any news on Joey?

https://twitter.com/m_sheldon/status/1545501106696077314?cxt=HHwWhIC-ia7E3PIqAAAA
Mark Sheldon
@m_sheldon
·
18m

Votto is taking batting practice and could be available off the bench tonight.

Tweet has video of the BP

[Ron Madden]

Cincinnati Reds
@Reds

The #Reds today activated from the 15-day injured list RHP Alexis Díaz and designated for assignment RHP Robert Dugger.




Dugger pitched 3.2 shut out innings last night gets DFA'd today :(

[0-2 Count]

Dugger pitched 3.2 shut out innings last night gets DFA'd today :(

That makes zero sense, so of course management does it. Seriously, it's downright stupid.

[757690]

Dugger pitched 3.2 shut out innings last night gets DFA'd today :(

My guess is that he was told yesterday that he was going to be sent down today no matter how well he did. That is generally how these doubleheader moves work.

That said, I can think of a few other relievers who should have been sent down before Dugger.

[KeefeCato]

My guess is that he was told yesterday that he was going to be sent down today no matter how well he did. That is generally how these doubleheader moves work.

That said, I can think of a few other relievers who should have been sent down before Dugger.

Came down to him not being available for next 3 days. Most likely.

[mhs95_06]

My guess is that he was told yesterday that he was going to be sent down today no matter how well he did. That is generally how these doubleheader moves work.

That said, I can think of a few other relievers who should have been sent down before Dugger.

But this wasn't sent down(optioned back), it was DFA as in released.

[Reds Fanatic]

1st K for Castillo

[Reds Fanatic]

But this wasn't sent down(optioned back), it was DFA as in released.

Yes he was out of options so they could not just send him down

[757690]

But this wasn't sent down(optioned back), it was DFA as in released.

It’s procedural. He probably didn’t have any options so he had to be DFA’s. I am rather certain he will clear waivers and accept his assignment to AAA.

[Reds Fanatic]

Castillo gets out of the inning. 26 pitch inning

[Ron Madden]

Castillo strands runners at first and third in the top of the first inning

[0-2 Count]

It’s procedural. He probably didn’t have any options so he had to be DFA’s. I am rather certain he will clear waivers and accept his assignment to AAA.

There are about 6 other relievers on the team who are totally incapable of pitching 3 innings of scoreless relief spread out over 3 appearances, let alone in one. Just a clueless move by management. They could have made a statement indicating roster spots were actually performance based.

[Reds Fanatic]

This is going to be a long night against McClanahan

[Reds Fanatic]

Reds go down 1-2-3

[Kc61]

There’s little to be gained today by Castillo pitching. His trade value is about as high as it can go. Let’s just get a respectable performance and get him out of there.

[Ron Madden]

Reds go down in order no score after 1 inning

[0-2 Count]

26 pitches for Castillo. 12 for McClanahan. Only one of those guys will be pitching in the 7th inning. Good thing the bullpen is the strength of the Reds.

[Ky Fried Redleg]

"If you're not practicing, somebody else is, somewhere, and he'll be ready to take your job." --- ??? (World Series MVP)

[0-2 Count]

This is going to be a long night against McClanahan

A no-hitter would not surprise me at all.

[KeefeCato]

There’s little to be gained today by Castillo pitching. His trade value is about as high as it can go. Let’s just get a respectable performance and get him out of there.

He isn't getting traded for 3 more weeks. Can't let him go 80 pitches and 5 innings every game till then.
Other teams that have trade chip pitchers aren't handling them with kid gloves.
Is it risky? You bet it is. But they aren't going to coddle him.
I suspect Castillo would put up a big fuss if they did and rightfully so.

[Ron Madden]

Reds go down 1-2-3

I'm glad you're here Reds Fanatic you are excellent at play by play.
I type way too slow. :beerme:

[Reds Fanatic]

Castillo’s 2nd K. 0-0 mid 2nd

[Reds Freak]

The Rays lineup seems to be full of battlers and tough outs. That's something that worries me big time about the Reds future. All their top position players have pretty big swing-and-miss and plate discipline concerns.

[Kc61]

My guess is that he was told yesterday that he was going to be sent down today no matter how well he did. That is generally how these doubleheader moves work.

That said, I can think of a few other relievers who should have been sent down before Dugger.

Reportedly, Jared Solomon was the “doubleheader move.” Brought up for a day as the 27th man and optioned right back.

The Reds cut Dugger to make room for Alexis Diaz.

I assume they felt Dugger needed rest after last night. Probably didn’t think much risk in waiving him. If they’re wrong and he gets selected, Reds will look bad. Probably the risk is low, but you never know.

[mhs95_06]

12 pitches to 26 after one! The quickness to the bullpen will probably tell the story of this game. Castillo 1,2,3 in the 2nd, but another 18 pitches.

[KeefeCato]

12 pitches to 26 after one! The quickness to the bullpen will probably tell the story of this game. Castillo 1,2,3 in the 2nd, but another 18 pitches.

A bad and worn out pen as well. I suspect we will see Diaz for a inning or two unless it's a blowout.

[Ron Madden]

Bobby Nightengale
@nightengalejr

Reds held a pregame moment of silence for Robert Larkin, Barry Larkin’s dad, who died today.

[KeefeCato]

Sadak gush fest over McClanahan continues. We get it. He is really good.

[757690]

Reportedly, Jared Solomon was the “doubleheader move.” Brought up for a day as the 27th man and optioned right back.

The Reds cut Dugger to make room for Alexis Diaz.

I assume they felt Dugger needed rest after last night. Probably didn’t think much risk in waiving him. If they’re wrong and he gets selected, Reds will look bad. Probably the risk is low, but you never know.

The Reds knew Diaz was going to be activated today. They called up Dugger to eat up innings for the doubleheader, and then be sent down. It was a move made for the doubleheader. I am rather positive that Dugger knew he was going to be send down no matter how well he pitched.

[Reds Fanatic]

Good AB. Reynolds works a 2 out walk

[Reds Fanatic]

Senzel doubles to left

[0-2 Count]

That was a heckuva play by Arozerena.

[Ron Madden]

Double for Senzel !!!

[Red Raindog]

Who is guy that replaced our CF?


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[KeefeCato]

This team really lacks speed .

[Kc61]

Nice line drive double by Senzel against this tough pitcher.

Reds don’t score, strikeout by Almora.

[Reds Fanatic]

Almora who is really struggling strikes out. 0-0 after 2

[Reds Freak]

This team really lacks speed .

That ball was smoked and took a generous hard hop right back to Arozerena. Not many are gonna score there.

Senzel performing well enough the rest of the way to the extent you feel like you can pencil him into an outfield spot next season would be a welcome development in 2022.

[757690]

I would have sent Reynolds. Scoring runs off of McClanahan is going to be tough tonight.

[KeefeCato]

Almora who is really struggling strikes out. 0-0 after 2

Falling back to who he is. Decent 4th 5th OFer. Doubt he plays much except against LHP going forward. Unless Naquin is traded.

[Reds Fanatic]

3 Ks for Castillo

[Ron Madden]

I would have sent Reynolds. Scoring runs off of McClanahan is going to be tough tonight.

I think holding him up at third was the right move.

[Reds Fanatic]

Diaz doubles to right

[KeefeCato]

That ball was smoked and took a generous hard hop right back to Arozerena. Not many are gonna score there.

Senzel performing well enough the rest of the way to the extent you feel like you can pencil him into an outfield spot next season would be a welcome development in 2022.

That would be a huge plus. But let's hope going in they have a good plan B. With Senzel's injury history.

[0-2 Count]

Surprised he's calling the game.

[KeefeCato]

I think holding him up at third was the right move.

It was. Only way he was safe would've been on a bad throw.

[Reds Fanatic]

Ground out moves the runner to 3rd

[KeefeCato]

Farmer doesn't have major league range or arm for SS.

[Reds Fanatic]

Choi singles in a run

[0-2 Count]

Well, crud.

[757690]

It was. Only way he was safe would've been on a bad throw.

My thinking is that odds of a bad throw were greater than the odds of Almora getting a hit in the next AB.

[Reds Freak]

That would be a huge plus. But let's hope going in they have a good plan B. With Senzel's injury history.

For sure. But they're gonna need maybe 3-4 new OFers next year? Would be nice if Senzel moves that down to only needing 2-3.

[Reds Fanatic]

Leadoff hit for Papierski

[Kc61]

He isn't getting traded for 3 more weeks. Can't let him go 80 pitches and 5 innings every game till then.
Other teams that have trade chip pitchers aren't handling them with kid gloves.
Is it risky? You bet it is. But they aren't going to coddle him.
I suspect Castillo would put up a big fuss if they did and rightfully so.

Sometimes you have to do what’s in the Reds team’s best interest. The Reds’ best interest is preserving this trade asset as much as they can.

I understand why they need to pitch Luis this early in July. He can’t just sit. But they need to protect the trade asset as much as possible.

They didn’t coddle Tyler Mahle. How’d that go?

[Reds Fanatic]

India grounds into a 6-3 DP

[KeefeCato]

Tie game Drury once again.

[Reds Fanatic]

Drury crushed that pitch. Tie game!

[0-2 Count]

Drury homers and I'm more frustrated with the India double play.

[Ron Madden]

BANG! Drury Goes BOOM!!!

[Reds Freak]

BANG! Drury Goes BOOM!!!

All-Star

[Reds Fanatic]

Pham walks

[Reds Fanatic]

Farmer flies out to the track in right. 1-1 after 3

[KeefeCato]

All-Star

Shame Stephenson got hurt. He'd be joining him .

[0-2 Count]

Castillo actually more pitch efficient than McClanahan after 3.

Castillo - 58
McClanahan - 61

[Ron Madden]

Charlie Goldsmith
@CharlieG__

Brandon Drury had the green light when he was ahead 3-0 in the count. He got a fastball down the middle and drove it to left field to tie the game at 1 in the third inning.







Bobby Nightengale
@nightengalejr

Brandon Drury gets the green light in a 3-0 count and hits a pitch off the front of the second deck in left field. Reds and Rays tied 1-1 in the third inning.

[Rantly]

Shame Stephenson got hurt. He'd be joining him .

Replacing him most likely.

[mhs95_06]

Castillo actually more pitch efficient than McClanahan after 3.

Castillo - 58
McClanahan - 61

Took the lead there and tied the game last inning!

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Replacing him most likely.

Agree.

[Reds Fanatic]

4 Ks for Castillo

[Ky Fried Redleg]

I know it's kinda a nerdy thing, but oftentimes I will just randomly pick a couple or three dates in the past and look at the boxscores of some games on that date. Yesterday, I picked May 4, 1975 and looked up a game between the Astros and Giants at Candlestick. It was the second game of a doubleheader.

What I found most interesting about this one is that it matched a couple of pitchers I remember well from the 70's- J.R. Richard of the Astros and John D'Acquisto of the Giants. D'Acquisto had thrown over 200 innings the season before with a 3.77 ERA and Richard had some of the best stuff in the game in his prime. Anyway, on this day, neither pitcher was at his best, it seems.

Richard gave up 11 walks and 7 runs in just 6 innings(though he did get the win) and D'Acquisto walked 9 batters in 3.2 innings , giving up 8 runs.

20 walks by the two starting pitchers !!! How long would it have taken Greg Maddux to surrender 20 base on balls. Anyway, the 'Stros won the game 12-8 , with former Red Wayne Granger getting the save.

Oh, some dude by the name of Horace Speed came in to pinch run late in the game for the Giants. He scored a run. I assume he was fast. :) Funny what you'll find when you peruse old boxcores...

[757690]

I know it's kinda a nerdy thing, but oftentimes I will just randomly pick a couple or three dates in the past and look at the boxscores of some games on that date.

If that is nerdy, I don’t want to be cool

[Ky Fried Redleg]

Tie game Drury once again.

Sign him!!!

[Reds Fanatic]

Reds go down 1-2-3 in the 4th.

[Ron Madden]

If that is nerdy, I don’t want to be cool

I enjoy remembering and revisiting games from the past but I don't want to live in the past, I really get into today's baseball too.

[mhs95_06]

Neither pitcher likely to go past the 5th!

[Reds Fanatic]

Castillo rolling now. 5 Ks

[Reds Fanatic]

Nice catch by Pham

[Ky Fried Redleg]

If that is nerdy, I don’t want to be cool

I HOPE I'm not alone in doing that. lol I'll admit to being a baseball and numbers nerd. It's just fun to go back and look at some of the names of players you remember growing up watching and collecting their baseball cards and see what they did in certain games.

[Reds Fanatic]

6 Ks for Castillo

[0-2 Count]

Almora missed that by 6+ inches.

[Reds Fanatic]

Reds go down 1-2-3 again

[Ky Fried Redleg]

I enjoy remembering and revisiting games from the past but I don't want to live in the past, I really get into today's baseball too.

I wish I was more like that, Ron, but I have to admit that I do kinda get lost in the seventies , at times. I loved that time so much. Big Klu posted something awhile back that I agree with. While I still enjoy watching baseball, it's not with the same passion that I used to enjoy it.

For many of the same reasons Klu wrote about, I would almost rather go back and watch or listen to a game from yesteryear than watch one from today. I admire the fact that someone your age still really gets into today's baseball. I can't honestly say I have the same zeal for today's game that I did for the game in the 70's and '80's. Makes me sad that I feel that way but I am with Big Klu and the Hit King, Pete Rose. All of these new rules , especially the ones trying to speed up the games and make them two hours long, has diminished my interest. As Pete said, "Why is everybody in such a hurry ?"

[Reds Fanatic]

1-1 mid 6th. 97 pitches for Castillo

[Ron Madden]

Castillo looking GOOD!

[TheBigLebowski]

Ok, great showing, now take him out.

[0-2 Count]

97 pitches through 6. Would be great to get 2 more innings of less than 10 pitches each out of Luis.

[Reds Freak]

1-1 mid 6th. 97 pitches for Castillo

If the Reds were in a race, he'd be out there in the 7th. But I'm not pushing the envelope here with your best trade chip and Mahle already on the IL.

[Ron Madden]

I wish I was more like that, Ron, but I have to admit that I do kinda get lost in the seventies , at times. I loved that time so much. Big Klu posted something awhile back that I agree with. While I still enjoy watching baseball, it's not with the same passion that I used to enjoy it.

For many of the same reasons Klu wrote about, I would almost rather go back and watch or listen to a game from yesteryear than watch one from today. I admire the fact that someone your age still really gets into today's baseball. I can't honestly say I have the same zeal for today's game that I did for the game in the 70's and '80's. Makes me sad that I feel that way but I am with Big Klu and the Hit King, Pete Rose. All of these new rules , especially the ones trying to speed up the games and make them two hours long, has diminished my interest. As Pete said, "Why is everybody in such a hurry ?"

I understand but the past wasn't all wine and roses either, try watching a few games with an open mind without comparing them to the glory years of the 70's and see if that helps.

[0-2 Count]

If the Reds were in a race, he'd be out there in the 7th. But I'm not pushing the envelope here with your best trade chip and Mahle already on the IL.

Play to win every game. Chances are they will get garbage back in return for him anyway. Poorly run organizations like the Reds can get lucky sometimes with guys like Drury, but they seldom win a big trade involving prospects.

[Reds Fanatic]

Reds go down 1-2-3 again

[KeefeCato]

97 pitches through 6. Would be great to get 2 more innings of less than 10 pitches each out of Luis.

You're going to give KC61 a heart attack.

[Reds Freak]

I wish I was more like that, Ron, but I have to admit that I do kinda get lost in the seventies , at times. I loved that time so much. Big Klu posted something awhile back that I agree with. While I still enjoy watching baseball, it's not with the same passion that I used to enjoy it.

For many of the same reasons Klu wrote about, I would almost rather go back and watch or listen to a game from yesteryear than watch one from today. I admire the fact that someone your age still really gets into today's baseball. I can't honestly say I have the same zeal for today's game that I did for the game in the 70's and '80's. Makes me sad that I feel that way but I am with Big Klu and the Hit King, Pete Rose. All of these new rules , especially the ones trying to speed up the games and make them two hours long, has diminished my interest. As Pete said, "Why is everybody in such a hurry ?"

Do you think every game being available to watch with 20 different camera angles takes away from some of the magic you felt about the game in the 70s and 80s? While it's obviously awesome I can watch or listen to every Reds game living out of market, we take it more for granted now and it takes away the allure of poring over box scores.

[Reds Fanatic]

7 Ks for Castillo

[Reds Fanatic]

8 Ks for Castillo. Another great start

[Reds Freak]

Beautiful stuff, Luis.

[Ron Madden]

8 Ks for Castillo. Another great start

I'm gonna miss him

[JCM11]

Great start by Castillo. He's really showing these AL East teams what he can do.

[TheBigLebowski]

Ok, NOW. He’s at 107. This is our biggest trade chip

[KeefeCato]

I'm gonna miss him

Chances of getting anyone even close to as good as him back in trade is slim.

[TheBigLebowski]

Chances of getting anyone even close to as good as him back in trade is slim.

The Small Market Malaise.

[Reds Fanatic]

Poche in for the Rays

[RiverRat13]

Chances of getting anyone even close to as good as him back in trade is slim.True and I'll miss watching, but I'm so happy that the Castellinis get to save some money by trading him. Really warms the heart.

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[Kc61]

You're going to give KC61 a heart attack.

Nah, I’m staying cool. It’s Bell’s job on the line, not mine.

All I care about is Luis’ outing is over and he seems healthy and pitched well. Maybe they’ll trade him before the next day of risk.

[0-2 Count]

I'm gonna miss him

A lot of people on here will disagree with me, but no matter how bad the Reds are, I don't want them to trade Castillo. He is virtually the only reason to watch the team, a reminder that, yes, this is the big leagues. We're not going to get anyone special in return. We're just not. I would go into next season thinking more highly of the Reds with Castillo on the roster than I will be if he's not.

[Reds Fanatic]

Reynolds walks

[KeefeCato]

Senzel another hit

[Reds Fanatic]

Senzel’s 2nd hit tonight

[JCM11]

Senzel is showing what made him a top ranked prospect these past few weeks. This is the best he's looked in the majors so far.

[0-2 Count]

Nah, I’m staying cool. It’s Bell’s job on the line, not mine.

All I care about is Luis’ outing is over and he seems healthy and pithed well. Maybe they’ll trade him before the next day of risk.

Do you honestly believe the Reds' future is made brighter by trading Castillo than it is by keeping him? A whole lot of plans base on 'potential' end up in the garbage.

[Reds Fanatic]

Almora grounds into a 6-5 FC

[Kc61]

A lot of people on here will disagree with me, but no matter how bad the Reds are, I don't want them to trade Castillo. He is virtually the only reason to watch the team, a reminder that, yes, this is the big leagues. We're not going to get anyone special in return. We're just not. I would go into next season thinking more highly of the Reds with Castillo on the roster than I will be if he's not.

Nobody would disagree except Luis walks as a FA after 2023.

[CySeymour]

Do you honestly believe the Reds' future is made brighter by trading Castillo than it is by keeping him? A whole lot of plans base on 'potential' end up in the garbage.

He’s a free agent after next season and will be looking for a contract that wouldn’t be wise for the Reds to give. It’s best to trade him and get building blocks.

[Reds Fanatic]

Do you honestly believe the Reds' future is made brighter by trading Castillo than it is by keeping him? A whole lot of plans base on 'potential' end up in the garbage.

They are not going to afford to keep Castillo in a few years and if you wait to trade him until next year you are not going to get near the value you would get this year. We will all miss Castillo but when you are 25 games under .500 you have to make big moves

[Ron Madden]

I enjoy the kinda baseball the Reds have played in some of their games lately close nip and tuck on the edge of your seat exciting.

[Coopdaddy67]

A lot of people on here will disagree with me, but no matter how bad the Reds are, I don't want them to trade Castillo. He is virtually the only reason to watch the team, a reminder that, yes, this is the big leagues. We're not going to get anyone special in return. We're just not. I would go into next season thinking more highly of the Reds with Castillo on the roster than I will be if he's not.

He's leaving after next year anyway. He's the best trade chip on the market by far and the Reds have to cash in. If they don't and end up coming away with nothing, they're setting back the organization even further.

[Reds Fanatic]

Papierski lines out to center

[Indymoon]

Papierski lines out to center

Could Votto have PH there instead?

[0-2 Count]

He’s a free agent after next season and will be looking for a contract that wouldn’t be wise for the Reds to give. It’s best to trade him and get building blocks.


Nobody would disagree except Luis walks as a FA after 2023.


They are not going to afford to keep Castillo in a few years and if you wait to trade him until next year you are not going to get near the value you would get this year. We will all miss Castillo but when you are 25 games under .500 you have to make big moves

I understand all of that. But, I enjoy it when my teams are trying to win today versus trying to win 4 years from now.

[JCM11]

Could Votto have PH there instead?

Batting a near 39 year old with a sore back in a pinch hit spot sounds like a good way to put him on the IL.

[Kc61]

Could Votto have PH there instead?

Joey really hasn’t hit lefties very well of late. Against a right handed, they perhaps would have used Joey to pinch hit.

[Reds Fanatic]

Castillo tonight: 7 IP, 4H, 1ER, 1BB, 8K

[Indymoon]

Batting a near 39 year old with a sore back in a pinch hit spot sounds like a good way to put him on the IL.

if he’s not available, then put him on the IL.

[KeefeCato]

Batting a near 39 year old with a sore back in a pinch hit spot sounds like a good way to put him on the IL.

He probably should be on the IL. They go 5-6 days playing one or two guys short all the time.

[Reds Fanatic]

Nice pitch. Diaz starts with a K

[Kc61]

I understand all of that. But, I enjoy it when my teams are trying to win today versus trying to win 4 years from now.


But unfortunately the Reds tore down their above-.500 team. They traded away many of their best players. So winning now is not the Reds’ main goal. They are all about the future.

We all enjoy watching Luis pitch. But the team’s situation warrants an emphasis on the future.

[Coopdaddy67]

I understand all of that. But, I enjoy it when my teams are trying to win today versus trying to win 4 years from now.

Keeping Castillo doesn't mean they're trying to win. Did they try to win this year with him on the roster? Of course not, they dumped a bunch of salary before the season started.

The Reds have a real opportunity to acquire 2-3 prospects that could become MLB contributors. Frankly, THAT's trying to win.

[Reds Fanatic]

Another nasty slider for a K

[JCM11]

I understand all of that. But, I enjoy it when my teams are trying to win today versus trying to win 4 years from now.

They're close to being the worst team in baseball with Castillo. They need a complete rebuild of the every day lineup and bullpen. They have some good young SP you can build around if the right moves are made. Having said that I would set the price sky high for Louis, and be willing to keep him if the asking price isn't met. My bet is at least one contending team blinks.

[KeefeCato]

I understand all of that. But, I enjoy it when my teams are trying to win today versus trying to win 4 years from now.

I'm with you. But it's happening. Just gotta hope they get a decent return. Odds are they won't.

[Reds Fanatic]

Franco walks

[LeatherPants]

But unfortunately the Reds tore down their above-.500 team. They traded away many of their best players. So winning now is not the Reds’ main goal. They are all about the future.

We all enjoy watching Luis pitch. But the team’s situation warrants an emphasis on the future.

They aren’t even about the future, they are about making money and possibly stumbling into a playoff game every now and then.

[0-2 Count]

But unfortunately the Reds tore down their above-.500 team. They traded away many of their best players. So winning now is not the Reds’ main goal. They are all about the future.

We all enjoy watching Luis pitch. But the team’s situation warrants an emphasis on the future.

The trade with Seattle has not turned out that bad.

Drury has outperformed Suarez

Pham has outperformed Winker.

Trading Gray, not re-signing Castellanos, and investing absolutely nothing in the bullpen have been the team's downfall. The team made up their mind in the offseason they were going to trade Castillo. They did not want to have to do it if the team was on contention, so they made sure they weren't. As a fan of the team, I am very disappointed in that approach.

[JCM11]

Nice to have Diaz back.

[Kc61]

Nice return outing for Diaz. Has dynamic stuff.

[Reds Fanatic]

Diaz strikes out the side!

[KeefeCato]

Diaz Ks the side

[Kc61]

The trade with Seattle has not turned out that bad.

Drury has outperformed Suarez

Pham has outperformed Winker.

Trading Gray, not re-signing Castellanos, and investing absolutely nothing in the bullpen have been the team's downfall. The team made up their mind in the offseason they were going to trade Castillo. They did not want to have to do it if the team was on contention, so they made sure they weren't. As a fan of the team, I am very disappointed in that approach.

Most of us are disappointed. Hopefully Reds will get back on track relatively soon.

[KeefeCato]

Most of us are disappointed. Hopefully Reds will get back on track relatively soon.

Let's hope. I doubt any of us are spring chickens.

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The Reds have a real opportunity to acquire 2-3 prospects that could become MLB contributors. Frankly, THAT's trying to win.

You do realize that if those prospects do, in fact, become contributing players, they will be traded before there is any team success. The......exact....same......thing......that happened with Castillo.

[Tony Cloninger]

I feel as confident as I did about the Bengals after the 2018 season. Then again after 2019. And even if the Reds drafted a Joey Votto clone and a Jacob DeGroom clone and they were ready to go by 2023-24. This is still the same org who has scouts who though Alf Rodriguez and Shogo could hit. Who get rid of relievers who pitch better elsewhere and keep the worse pitching staff not from A pre humidor Rockies team. Can’t keep any pitcher healthy. And they are bad when they are.
I’m supposed to trust their process still.

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Nice return outing for Diaz. Has dynamic stuff.

Literally the only member of the bullpen worth keeping.

[Redsfan6272]

Most of us are disappointed. Hopefully Reds will get back on track relatively soon.

Been waiting since 1990 to see a World Series. I am now 60!! Don't want the next appearance 20 more years from now!!! GRRR

[Coopdaddy67]

The trade with Seattle has not turned out that bad.

Drury has outperformed Suarez

Pham has outperformed Winker.

The issue is that they took less prospect value trading Winker to offload Suarez's contract.

Also, Drury has had a good year, but he's not outperforming Suarez.

[Coopdaddy67]

You do realize that if those prospects do, in fact, become contributing players, they will be traded before there is any team success. The......exact....same......thing......that happened with Castillo.

Okay, so what? Take a look at the team the Reds are facing tonight and see how they build their ballclub.

Rosters are constantly evolving. You can't keep all your great players, especially when you're not a large market team.

Once again, Castillo is leaving after 2023 no matter what. You either get nothing for him or take the opportunity to cash in when he's the BEST TRADE CHIP IN BASEBALL, which is right now.

[Tony Cloninger]

I would not have re signed Castellanos either.

I would have spent the money on a bullpen.

[TheBigLebowski]

!aye de mi! Los juevos..

[KeefeCato]

I feel as confident as I did about the Bengals after the 2018 season. Then again after 2019. And even if the Reds drafted a Joey Votto clone and a Jacob DeGroom clone and they were ready to go by 2023-24. This is still the same org who has scouts who though Alf Rodriguez and Shogo could hit. Who get rid of relievers who pitch better elsewhere and keep the worse pitching staff not from A pre humidor Rockies team. Can’t keep any pitcher healthy. And they are bad when they are.
I’m supposed to trust their process still.

The Bengals did it right. They luckied into getting the number 1 pick.
But they didn't stop there. They spent money. Rebuilt the Defense last year. Now the O-Line this year.
They finally got tired of being NFL laughingstock.
Maybe the Reds ownership will eventually get tired of it as well.

[Coopdaddy67]

Thompson has really nice movement on his pitches.

[Redsfan6272]

Okay, so what? Take a look at the team the Reds are facing tonight and see how they build their ballclub.

Rosters are constantly evolving. You can't keep all your great players, especially when you're not a large market team.

Once again, Castillo is leaving after 2023 no matter what. You either get nothing for him or take the opportunity to cash in when he's the BEST TRADE CHIP IN BASEBALL, which is right now.

Rays know how to draft and make trades... until this ownership hires someone like thier scouting and development people do fir the Rays instead of promoting from within, nothing will change unless this owner either wakes up or sells !!

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The issue is that they took less prospect value trading Winker to offload Suarez's contract.

Also, Drury has had a good year, but he's not outperforming Suarez.

You realize, don't you, that Drury has a better OPS than Freddie Freeman, Juan Soto, Trea Turner, and Shohei Ohtani. So, sure, Suarez and his MLB leading 112 strikeouts have been just as good.

[Mitri]

The trade with Seattle has not turned out that bad.

Drury has outperformed Suarez

Pham has outperformed Winker.

Trading Gray, not re-signing Castellanos, and investing absolutely nothing in the bullpen have been the team's downfall. The team made up their mind in the offseason they were going to trade Castillo. They did not want to have to do it if the team was on contention, so they made sure they weren't. As a fan of the team, I am very disappointed in that approach.

Gray has been injured for much of the year. Castellanos has been awful (681 OPS). Miley has thrown 19 innings. The Seattle trade was probably the worst move of the offseason, but I'm willing to wait on declaring it a win or loss for the Reds FO.

The Reds were going to be bad no matter what. They needed a complete reconfiguration, and still do.

[Reds Fanatic]

Reds go down in order again. 1-1 headed to the 9th

[KeefeCato]

Guessing it's Strickland.

[Ron Madden]

I haven't been feeling well the past few days, my daughter just tested me for covid and I tested positive. Had all my shots and the booster.

I'll be back later gonna spend some time with her

[Tony Cloninger]

The Bengals did it right. They luckied into getting the number 1 pick.
But they didn't stop there. They spent money. Rebuilt the Defense last year. Now the O-Line this year.
They finally got tired of being NFL laughingstock.
Maybe the Reds ownership will eventually get tired of it as well.


I wasnot expecting them to do it right either because it was the same people. They still were horrible in protecting Burrow however. That was stupid. They still don’t draft develop OL very well. Happily they figured signing FA was better idea.

Don’t worry. I’m not going anywhere. I’ll be here. I was told nowhere else to go.

[Mitri]

I haven't been feeling well the past few days, my daughter just tested me for covid and I tested positive. Had all my shots and the booster.

I'll be back later gonna spend some time with her

Feel better, Ron.

[Reds Fanatic]

Nice running catch by Senzel

[Kc61]

Senzel is playing pretty well. Coming around, great news.

[Reds Fanatic]

I haven't been feeling well the past few days, my daughter just tested me for covid and I tested positive. Had all my shots and the booster.

I'll be back later gonna spend some time with her

Hope you feel better soon

[KeefeCato]

I haven't been feeling well the past few days, my daughter just tested me for covid and I tested positive. Had all my shots and the booster.

I'll be back later gonna spend some time with her

If you aren't already. Take lots of vitamin C.

[Coopdaddy67]

You realize, don't you, that Drury has a better OPS than Freddie Freeman, Juan Soto, Trea Turner, and Shohei Ohtani. So, sure, Suarez and his MLB leading 112 strikeouts have been just as good.

It's almost like there are park factors at play here...

[Tony Cloninger]

Time to switch Senzel and India.

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I haven't been feeling well the past few days, my daughter just tested me for covid and I tested positive. Had all my shots and the booster.

I'll be back later gonna spend some time with her

I tested positive on Wednesday. Starting to feel a little better today. I had my first booster but was waiting for winter to get my second. This new variant is supposedly evading all forms of immunity.

[Coopdaddy67]

I haven't been feeling well the past few days, my daughter just tested me for covid and I tested positive. Had all my shots and the booster.

I'll be back later gonna spend some time with her

Hope you feel better, Ron.

Stay hydrated!

[Redsfan6272]

It's almost like there are park factors at play here...

You realize in his next contract park factors will NOT be brought up. Just the names of those he is out performing making the huge bucks!

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It's almost like there are park factors at play here...

Or, the facts don't support you position. You would have an easier time defending the Pham / Winker comparison.

[Reds Fanatic]

Runner steals 2nd as Papierski drops the ball

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Strickland simply can't have a 1-2-3 inning.

[Ky Fried Redleg]

I've had the three bouts with that despicable virus(COVID). And had a close friend pass away from it back in April of 2020. Everyone remain vigilant . It's still a problem.

[Tony Cloninger]

You can play the park factor dance all you want ……Suarez was a 280 hitter with 25-30 homer power who was productive as a 5th place hitter until he decided Gorman Thomas was a better comp for his career. He hasn’t changed since and will continue down the path of I don’t care how many K’s I get. I hit 30 homers. If your going to SO that much you better Homer 40 plus times and OPS into the 850-900 range.

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Why not appeal that?

[Reds Fanatic]

Another walk

[Tony Cloninger]

Strickland simply can't have a 1-2-3 inning.

They used to call Don Stanhouse 6 pack because he drove Earl Weaver to smoking a 6 pack of cigs. This bullpen is opium. Without the happiness

[Coopdaddy67]

Or, the facts don't support you position. You would have an easier time defending the Pham / Winker comparison.

Suarez WAR 2.1 > Drury's 1.4.

All the players you named have a significantly higher WAR than Drury...

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Strickland not giving up a run there is the shock of the century.

[Reds Fanatic]

Reds get out of that. On to the bottom of the 9th

[KeefeCato]

Better win this now. The remaining relievers are worse than Strickland.

[Tony Cloninger]

Pitching scared at GABP is something you learn to do as a Reds pitcher.

[Tadasimha]

Time to walk this one off

[Reds Fanatic]

Farmer hit by the pitch

[757690]

Farmer totally leaned into that one.

[KeefeCato]

Naquin probably hits for Reynolds. Nope Moose on deck.

[Reds Fanatic]

Solano grounds into a 5-4-3 DP

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Suarez WAR 2.1 > Drury's 1.4.

All the players you named have a significantly higher WAR than Drury...

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Strickland not giving up a run there is the shock of the century.

And, Drury has a better OPS+, which totally debunks the 'park' theory.

Also, the difference in the WAR figure is totally on the defensive side, which is understandable considering Drury has had to play all over the field.

[Ky Fried Redleg]

They used to call Don Stanhouse 6 pack because he drove Earl Weaver to smoking a 6 pack of cigs. This bullpen is opium. Without the happiness

"A manager should stay as far away a possible from his players. I don't know if I said ten words to Frank Robinson while he played for me. " --- Earl Weaver

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So much for Moose looking better at the plate recently.

[KeefeCato]

Chance of a win just went way down.

[Reds Fanatic]

Moose strikes out. On to the 10th

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Game's over. Bullpen is not going to keep runs off the board any longer.

[TheBigLebowski]

Amazing how thoroughly useless Moustakas is.

[Tadasimha]

Way to work the count, Mike

[Playadlc]

Moose just completely guessing there on all three pitches against a righty. Just bad.

[Tony Cloninger]

"A manager should stay as far away a possible from his players. I don't know if I said ten words to Frank Robinson while he played for me. " --- Earl Weaver

Pat Kelly. Reserve outfielder told Ear he needed to walk with God. Earl advised. You need to walk with the bases loaded.

[Coopdaddy67]

And, Drury has a better OPS+, which totally debunks the 'park' theory.

Also, the difference in the WAR figure is totally on the defensive side, which is understandable considering Drury has had to play all over the field.

Defense is a pretty important part of the game. Once again shows that Suarez is having a better year than Drury.

Seriously, stop. You tried to put Drury in the same category as Freddie Freeman, Juan Soto, Ohtani, etc.

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Moustakas should just start leaning into pitches.

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And, as a bonus, we will have Moose starting on the basepaths in the bottom of the inning.

[KeefeCato]

So much for Moose looking better at the plate recently.

Should have hit Naquin. But that would've burnt two players. Needed a 3b for Reynolds.
Product of again playing a man short. Apparently Votto isn't able to PH. So they only have a 3 man bench.
Naquin will hit for the catcher next inning. But by then the game might be out of reach.

[fielder's choice]

Anyone else find it odd how often Sadak comments on the physical appearance of the players, or just me?

[Coopdaddy67]

The only question is how many runs they're going to score.

[Kc61]

Nice play, Farm.

[Reds Fanatic]

Nice job. Play at the plate and Farmer nails the runner

[Coopdaddy67]

They're going to challenge that. He's blocking the plate...

[Tadasimha]

Nice job, Farmer!

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Blocking or not, he might be safe.

[Reds Fanatic]

Bad feeling this may get reversed for blocking

[WildcatFan]

Safe.

Regardless, Kyle Farmer is a good baseball player. He’s undervalued by our fanbase.

[KeefeCato]

Watch this inning implode now.

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Wow the Reds absolutely caught a break.

[Coopdaddy67]

Safe.

Regardless, Kyle Farmer is a good baseball player. He’s undervalued by our fanbase.

Would be a great utility guy on a playoff team. It'll be interesting to see if he's dealt.

[Reds Fanatic]

Play stands

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Fortunate.

[WildcatFan]

No clue how he was ruled out there. Love it.

[Tadasimha]

Play of the game

[WildcatFan]

Would be a great utility guy on a playoff team. It'll be interesting to see if he's dealt.

For sure. Starting shortstop is not making the best use of his abilities.

[KeefeCato]

No clue how he was ruled out there. Love it.

Surprised Tampa manager didn't get tossed on that call. Bell would have.

[mhs95_06]

Terrible ignorance of the rule on the challenge? Didn't give the runner a path to the plate from the very beginning!

[KeefeCato]

Dp inning over

[Coopdaddy67]

Farmer decided he was going to stop the bullpen from imploding all by himself.

[Reds Fanatic]

Wow a huge unassisted DP by Farmer!!

[Kc61]

Nice inning for Farmer.

[WildcatFan]

Farmer gets outs.

[Tony Cloninger]

The bullpen lives another inning

[durl]

No clue how he was ruled out there. Love it.

I'm guessing they ruled he didn't block access to the plate with his body. The runner could have stepped over his lower leg. (I haven't read the rule, though.)

[Kc61]

Terrible ignorance of the rule on the challenge? Didn't give the runner a path to the plate from the very beginning!

The runner had a path. A chunk of home plate was open for the slide.

[KeefeCato]

Senzel, Almora and Naquin hitting for Papierski.

[Reds Fanatic]

Kolozsvary is running at 2nd

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Bunt please

[WildcatFan]

I'm guessing they ruled he didn't block access to the plate with his body. The runner could have stepped over his lower leg. (I haven't read the rule, though.)

I mostly just thought he got his foot in before the tag, but I’ll take whatever algebra you just laid out.

[Kc61]

Bunt would not be terrible here.

Nick can run, so it could be a close play.

He did the sacrifice nicely.

[0-2 Count]

Naquin?

[durl]

Nice bunt. Glad to see that valuable play being used.

[Reds Fanatic]

Senzel bunts the runner to 3rd but I hate bunting with your hottest hitter

[KeefeCato]

You know Larkin is loving that bunt. Whither it works out or not. I hate it. He was already in scoring position.

[WildcatFan]

How cool would it be to see Senzel become a legit big leaguer the second half of this season?

[Tadasimha]

Almora due

[Ky Fried Redleg]

Gosh, I miss bunting a runner over. Good job Senzel.

[Coopdaddy67]

Almora might lay down a bunt.

[Kc61]

Don’t love the RHH here. Obviously Votto isn’t ready.

[mhs95_06]

The runner had a path. A chunk of home plate was open for the slide.

The only way was the slide a lot of players now do is slide 2' wide of the plate and then reach to tag it after their feet are 3' past the plate. They are supposed to give a direct path. That slide was exactly the way you need to do it to draw the call.

[WildcatFan]

I know the sac bunt beefs, but in a tie game I’ll take man on third 1 out over man on second 0 out every time.

[KeefeCato]

Almora might lay down a bunt.

I wouldn't mind that.

[Ky Fried Redleg]

You know Larkin is loving that bunt. Whither it works out or not. I hate it. He was already in scoring position.

I kinda like it. (But I'm an old fart) Lot of ways to score. But will these players be able to get him home?

[Reds Fanatic]

Don’t love the RHH here. Obviously Votto isn’t ready.

Yes I hate how often they play short handed when a DL move is probably needed

[Reds Fanatic]

Almora walks

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Almora needs to go to second on first pitch.

[KeefeCato]

Now thanks to wasting a out with the bunt. A DP ends the inning.

[Kc61]

Walk to Almora, despite two close check swings.

Now with Naquin, a lefty with power, Reds have a shot at it.

[WildcatFan]

I also take man on third 1 out over men on first and third 1 out.

[KeefeCato]

Almora needs to go to second on first pitch.

Yes stay out of DP