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Ron Madden
08-30-2022, 03:06 PM
Reds
1. Jonathan India (R) 2B
2. Jake Fraley (L) DH
3. Kyle Farmer (R) SS
4. Donovan Solano (R) 1B
5. TJ Friedl (L) LF
6. Nick Senzel (R) CF
7. Aristides Aquino (R) RF
8. Alejo Lopez (S) 3B
9. Austin Romine (R) C
SP Justin Dunn (R)


Cardinals
1. Lars Nootbaar (L) RF
2. Brendan Donovan (L) 2B
3. Paul Goldschmidt (R) 1B
4. Nolan Arenado (R) 3B
5. Albert Pujols (R) DH
6. Tyler O'Neill (R) CF
7. Corey Dickerson (L) LF
8. Yadier Molina (R) C
9. Tommy Edman (S) SS
SP Dakota Hudson (R)

JCM11
08-30-2022, 04:25 PM
Is Barrero hurt or benched?

Fil3232
08-30-2022, 04:27 PM
I’m guessing a couple days rest to try and clear the head.

Ron Madden
08-30-2022, 04:50 PM
Is Barrero hurt or benched?

David Bell told reporters yesterday that they were giving him a couple days off for a mental break

Ron Madden
08-30-2022, 05:21 PM
Cincinnati Reds
@Reds

The Reds today selected from Triple-A Louisville the contract of RHP Derek Law and designated for assignment LHP Ross Detwiler.

IF/OF Max Schrock, designated for assignment yesterday, has been released.

OldFashionedRed
08-30-2022, 06:02 PM
Was there not someone else in the bullpen who could have gotten sent down before Ross? :(

Sea Ray
08-30-2022, 06:20 PM
Why is Aquino starting vs a RHP?

Kc61
08-30-2022, 06:27 PM
David Bell told reporters yesterday that they were giving him a couple days off for a mental break

Great plan for Jose, put him in an impossible position, now he needs a mental break.

Player development in Redsland.

Sassy Sal
08-30-2022, 06:39 PM
Great plan for Jose, put him in an impossible position, now he needs a mental break.

Player development in Redsland.

Impossible position?

JCM11
08-30-2022, 06:45 PM
Great plan for Jose, put him in an impossible position, now he needs a mental break.

Player development in Redsland.

If being in the batters box against MLB pitching is an impossible position then I'm not sure it matters what they do. The first time he was called up it was the jumping from A+ ball excuse. Last year it was the he didn't get enough regular playing time excuse. This year it's the he had surgery 8 months ago excuse. I bought the first two excuses, but this is the third time he's been over matched by MLB pitching and it's at age 24.

I'm not sure what can be done with a guy who has 2 BB to 41 SO.

Ron Madden
08-30-2022, 06:50 PM
Mark Sheldon
@m_sheldon

David Bell said this would be the second of two games that Jose Barrero would be sitting out of the lineup.

He had Barrero do nothing yesterday to reset himself mentally after he's been struggling since his Aug. 3 recall. He's 2-for-24 in his last 8 games.

Barrero is doing pregame work today and is expected to be back in the Reds lineup tomorrow.

5:34 PM ∑ Aug 30, 2022

Kc61
08-30-2022, 07:10 PM
Impossible position?


It was an impossible position for a struggling AAA hitter to be plopped into the National League to face MLB pitching.

If you had a HS student struggling with basic math, would you move him into advanced calculus?

Look, I know the fans wanted to see Barrero. The fans want every prospect to move up. When is he moving up? Move him up. Constant refrain, including around here.

But this kid needed to come out of his doldrums in the minors. It was obvious then and it’s more obvious now. If he couldn’t hit AAA pitching the MLB hurlers were going to chew him up. Jose didn’t need that.

Sassy Sal
08-30-2022, 07:29 PM
It was an impossible position for a struggling AAA hitter to be plopped into the National League to face MLB pitching.

If you had a HS student struggling with basic math, would you move him into advanced calculus?

Look, I know the fans wanted to see Barrero. The fans want every prospect to move up. When is he moving up? Move him up. Constant refrain, including around here.

But this kid needed to come out of his doldrums in the minors. It was obvious then and it’s more obvious now. If he couldn’t hit AAA pitching the MLB hurlers were going to chew him up. Jose didn’t need that.

I look at it as an opportunity. He's still going to get the rest of this season to gain valuable experience against major league pitching and he most likely would have been here in September anyway. I don't see the harm in having him up a month early. He's still under team control for a few years, if I'm not mistaken, so he still will be given the opportunity to iron things out even if he doesn't hit, in AAA.

Ron Madden
08-30-2022, 07:49 PM
Justin Dunn has looked a lot better lately, would love to see him finish strong

Ron Madden
08-30-2022, 07:55 PM
Don't hit it to third base

OldFashionedRed
08-30-2022, 07:56 PM
India very little speed there. I think faster runners would have beat that.

EDIT: of course a 'faster runner' would have beat that, lol. I meant to say that the ball hit the third base bag, bounced up and away from the second base, took the third baseman away from the infield, and India was still out by 2 steps or so.

Ron Madden
08-30-2022, 07:57 PM
No score after one inning

mhs95_06
08-30-2022, 07:59 PM
If you had a HS student struggling with basic math, would you move him into advanced calculus?



I'd be questioning if we ought not to be counting on him to be the physics professor we had projected him to be!

Ron Madden
08-30-2022, 08:01 PM
Charlie Goldsmith
@CharlieG__

Yesterday, David Bell told Jose Barrero to do absolutely nothing. Barrero is taking two days to reset and adjust.

“There’s a lot of feel involved,” Bell said.

“He knows he can be what everybody expects for him,” Donovan Solano said.

Tom Servo
08-30-2022, 08:01 PM
Dunn's stuff and confidence both seem to be improving.

Tom Servo
08-30-2022, 08:03 PM
Dunn plunks Pujols. Good man!

OldFashionedRed
08-30-2022, 08:10 PM
I love Dunn's movement.

Ron Madden
08-30-2022, 08:11 PM
Friedl lines out hard to the track in RF

JCM11
08-30-2022, 08:12 PM
Friedl smoked one to the track in right for an out. He looks really good at the plate. Meanwhile Nicky Peraza pops up to second base.

Ron Madden
08-30-2022, 08:13 PM
No score after 2 innings

Assembly Hall
08-30-2022, 08:17 PM
Ut oh.

OldFashionedRed
08-30-2022, 08:17 PM
Why are Reds fans out there in RF CHEERING about catching a HR from a Cardinal? Throw that junk back in :angry:

Ron Madden
08-30-2022, 08:17 PM
Edman crushes a HR 1-0 Cardinals

Red Raindog
08-30-2022, 08:18 PM
Center cut
Belt high
Straight fastball
Gone


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Ron Madden
08-30-2022, 08:20 PM
Why are Reds fans out there in RF CHEERING about catching a HR from a Cardinal? Throw that junk back in :angry:

If I ever catch a HR ball I'm keepin it no matter who hits it.

Unless it's an important statistical or sentimental keepsake for the hitter, then I'd give it to him

OldFashionedRed
08-30-2022, 08:22 PM
If I ever catch a HR ball I'm keepin it no matter who bits it

Not me lol. I'm not giving an opponent any satisfaction, now if I knew the hitter sent someone to get the ball from me I'd toss it backwards into the river. :laugh:

mth123
08-30-2022, 08:25 PM
I look at it as an opportunity. He's still going to get the rest of this season to gain valuable experience against major league pitching and he most likely would have been here in September anyway. I don't see the harm in having him up a month early. He's still under team control for a few years, if I'm not mistaken, so he still will be given the opportunity to iron things out even if he doesn't hit, in AAA.

Here let me throw you out of a plane. It's an opportunity for you to fly!

The consequences with Barrero weren't quite that much, but the chance for success was about the same.

Kc61
08-30-2022, 08:29 PM
I look at it as an opportunity. He's still going to get the rest of this season to gain valuable experience against major league pitching and he most likely would have been here in September anyway. I don't see the harm in having him up a month early. He's still under team control for a few years, if I'm not mistaken, so he still will be given the opportunity to iron things out even if he doesn't hit, in AAA.

I see this as a set back in Jose’s development. He doesn’t need to be striking out half the time and pressing against big league pitching. Not a productive period IMO. Hopefully this rest period will help him and he’ll do better.

The Cards are very impressive right now. Clicking on all cylinders. I’m not a fan of theirs but have to acknowledge that it’s impressive. Now I’d like to see the Reds beat them a couple of times. Homer for Romine!

OldFashionedRed
08-30-2022, 08:29 PM
Woo Hoo! Romine has some power :D 2-1 Reds

Ron Madden
08-30-2022, 08:30 PM
Romine hammers a HR to RCF 2-1 Reds !!!

Tadasimha
08-30-2022, 08:30 PM
Romine hits it to the City Limits!

Kc61
08-30-2022, 08:31 PM
India is very good. And Fraley doubles him home.

OldFashionedRed
08-30-2022, 08:33 PM
3-1 Reds on Fraley's double down the LF line :D

Assembly Hall
08-30-2022, 08:33 PM
India is very good. And Fraley doubles him home.

Rake!

Kingspoint
08-30-2022, 08:33 PM
Many runs in the same inning against the Cardinals? Life is Good.

JCM11
08-30-2022, 08:33 PM
India and Fraley aren't a bad 1 and 2 vs RHP.

Ron Madden
08-30-2022, 08:34 PM
Fraley RBI Double Knocks in India from first base after he singled to extend his hitting streak to 14 games !!!

NebraskaRed
08-30-2022, 08:35 PM
Well this has been a fun inning.

Tom Servo
08-30-2022, 08:35 PM
can't stop those Reds

OldFashionedRed
08-30-2022, 08:35 PM
4-1 Reds! Farmer!

Kingspoint
08-30-2022, 08:35 PM
Here let me throw you out of a plane. It's an opportunity for you to fly!

The consequences with Barrero weren't quite that much, but the chance for success was about the same.

If someone did anything but fail initially with any jump to a higher league, that would be unexpected. It's how one looks when they fail that makes it obvious that it was a mistake to call them up. This kind of failure usually leads to a loss of confidence that some don't recover from.

Ron Madden
08-30-2022, 08:36 PM
Farm Dawg RBI Single scores Fraley 4-1 Reds !!!

Kc61
08-30-2022, 08:36 PM
Reds still playing hard, trying to win, despite all the tribulations of this season. Good for them, good inning for them.

NebraskaRed
08-30-2022, 08:36 PM
Still no outs in the inning

Kingspoint
08-30-2022, 08:38 PM
If I ever catch a HR ball I'm keepin it no matter who hits it.

Unless it's an important statistical or sentimental keepsake for the hitter, then I'd give it to him

If you catch a HR ball, you've earned it because it's going to sting while you pretend that it doesn't hurt.

Kingspoint
08-30-2022, 08:42 PM
That one pitch went to North Dakota.

mth123
08-30-2022, 08:42 PM
If someone did anything but fail initially with any jump to a higher league, that would be unexpected. It's how one looks when they fail that makes it obvious that it was a mistake to call them up. This kind of failure usually leads to a loss of confidence that some don't recover from.

Completely agree.

Kingspoint
08-30-2022, 08:42 PM
Friedl's BAbip since he last call up is around .386.

NebraskaRed
08-30-2022, 08:43 PM
Senzel continues to do himself no favors

JCM11
08-30-2022, 08:43 PM
Senzel's bat is so anemic. Pretty big athletic guy with zero pop.

Ron Madden
08-30-2022, 08:43 PM
Reds 4
Cards 1

middle of the 4th

Kingspoint
08-30-2022, 08:44 PM
When's the last time Senzel hit the ball out of the infield?

NebraskaRed
08-30-2022, 08:45 PM
I'd imagine that Senzel must see the writing on the wall. His future as a bench player who can fill in for multiple positions must seem imminent to him.

mhs95_06
08-30-2022, 08:46 PM
Let's see if the Reds can parlay that good inning into a win, probably the only one of the series if they can do it!

Kc61
08-30-2022, 08:46 PM
One of Senzel’s issues IMO is impatience. He has a fair number of walks, but sometimes he seems to jump early and make weak contact.

Generally as a player he’s a bit overaggressive. I think it’s hurting him as a hitter.

If he waited for his pitch he might drive the ball more.

Ron Madden
08-30-2022, 08:48 PM
Reds turn two!

NebraskaRed
08-30-2022, 08:48 PM
Pretty good 4 innings from Dunn. He keeps improving.

Kc61
08-30-2022, 08:49 PM
Nice outing so far for Dunn. Would be nice if he fit in Reds’ plan. They can use all the pitching they can get.

NebraskaRed
08-30-2022, 08:53 PM
I dismissed Lopez earlier in the year. I'll admit that I might be wrong.

mhs95_06
08-30-2022, 08:55 PM
Brantley says AA has a big problem with pitch recognition. Says you can take all kind of approaches, but major league pitchers will eat you up if you can't recognize pitches.

Barrero and Drew Stubbs come to my mind as having that problem also.

NebraskaRed
08-30-2022, 08:57 PM
Uh oh Dunn is out of the game

mhs95_06
08-30-2022, 08:57 PM
Reds turn two!

Nice crisp double play.

Strikes Out Looking
08-30-2022, 08:58 PM
Brantley says AA has a big problem with pitch recognition. Says you can take all kind of approaches, but major league pitchers will eat you up if you can't recognize pitches.

Barrero and Drew Stubbs come to my mind as having that problem also.

From what I saw in person at Saturday's game, Barrero is actually hitting better than Aquino right now. Neither are MLB hitters at the moment.

Big Klu
08-30-2022, 08:58 PM
RHP Derek Law becomes the 35th player this season to make his Reds debut, and the 60th player to make an appearance for the Reds this season.


Reds debuts this season:

3 Albert Almora, of
4 Matt Reynolds, inf-of
7 Donovan Solano, 3b-2b
16 Colin Moran, 1b-3b
21 Hunter Greene, rhp
22 Brandon Drury, 3b-2b
26 Michael Papierski, c
27 Jake Fraley, of
28 Tommy Pham, of
28 Austin Romine, c
31 Mike Minor, lhp
33 Aramis Garcia, c
38 Justin Dunn, rhp
40 Nick Lodolo, lhp
41 Daniel Duarte, rhp
43 Alexis Diaz, rhp
46 Buck Farmer, rhp
47 Mark Koloszvary, c
48 Chase Anderson, rhp
51 Graham Ashcraft, rhp
54 Hunter Strickland, rhp
57 J.T. Riddle, ss-3b
57 Stuart Fairchild, of
58 Derek Law, rhp
63 Phillip Diehl, lhp
67 T.J. Zeuch, rhp
71 Connor Overton, rhp
72 Chris Okey, c
73 Chuckie Robinson, c
75 Ross Detwiler, lhp
76 Robert Dugger, rhp
79 Ian Gibaut, rhp
82 Ronnie Dawson, of
84 Jared Solomon, rhp
94 Taylor Motter, 3b-2b

Kc61
08-30-2022, 08:58 PM
Uh oh Dunn is out of the game

Wonder why. Pitch count thing coming off injury?

JCM11
08-30-2022, 08:59 PM
Molina is fatter than Albert now.

Ron Madden
08-30-2022, 09:00 PM
Nice play India!

NebraskaRed
08-30-2022, 09:00 PM
Wonder why. Pitch count thing coming off injury?

I hope that's all it is.

Ron Madden
08-30-2022, 09:02 PM
Reds lead 4-1 middle of 5

Sassy Sal
08-30-2022, 09:04 PM
I see this as a set back in Joseís development. He doesnít need to be striking out half the time and pressing against big league pitching. Not a productive period IMO. Hopefully this rest period will help him and heíll do better.


I see what you are saying, but I didn't hear anyone warning NOT to bring him up when they did. For the record, I'm not exactly bullish on Barrero. I do however hope that he succeeds here, this season. If he doesn't, there's still plenty of time.

Ron Madden
08-30-2022, 09:04 PM
India gets another hit

- - - Updated - - -

Fraley gets another hit too

Farmer gets an infield hit

Solano hits into a D P India scores

NebraskaRed
08-30-2022, 09:07 PM
Ball hits the base, ball hits Arenado's face.

mhs95_06
08-30-2022, 09:10 PM
Gold glove 3rd baseman could have elevated his status if he could have fielded that hop off of the bag, or gotten to it before it hit it as he looked to be trying to, and got the 5-4-3 DP!

Kc61
08-30-2022, 09:17 PM
I see what you are saying, but I didn't hear anyone warning NOT to bring him up when they did. For the record, I'm not exactly bullish on Barrero. I do however hope that he succeeds here, this season. If he doesn't, there's still plenty of time.

Oh, several of us were quite vocal that this call up was a mistake.

From the outset.

There’s a Barrero thread which contains the debate, as I recall.

Kc61
08-30-2022, 09:19 PM
Law looks like he’s done this pitching thing before. Like he knows what he’s doing out there.

Impressive. Sign him up.

757690
08-30-2022, 09:20 PM
The heart of the Cardinal order fought the Law and the Law won.

Ron Madden
08-30-2022, 09:20 PM
Derek Law lookin good so far!

Tadasimha
08-30-2022, 09:20 PM
Derek "laying down the" Law with an excellent debut

Ron Madden
08-30-2022, 09:23 PM
Way to hustle down the line Senzel !!!

Strikes Out Looking
08-30-2022, 09:24 PM
Way to hustle down the line Senzel !!!

He's reading Redszone and knows his working on a one way ticket to Palookaville.

Ron Madden
08-30-2022, 09:30 PM
He's reading Redszone and knows his working on a one way ticket to Palookaville.

Redszone has Everybody on a one way ticket to Palookaville at one time or another. :laugh:

Strikes Out Looking
08-30-2022, 09:31 PM
Redszone has Everybody on a one way ticket to Palookaville at one time or another. :laugh:

True that

NebraskaRed
08-30-2022, 09:32 PM
Redszone has Everybody on a one way ticket to Palookaville at one time or another. :laugh:

Sometimes a player goes from HOF candidate to he should be DFAd immediately during a single game thread!

Sassy Sal
08-30-2022, 09:34 PM
Oh, several of us were quite vocal that this call up was a mistake.

From the outset.

There’s a Barrero thread which contains the debate, as I recall.

I take you at your word. I just didn't see/hear it.

NebraskaRed
08-30-2022, 09:39 PM
Reds defense has mostly been stellar tonight

Tadasimha
08-30-2022, 09:40 PM
Tres groundouts for Kuhnel

WVRedsFan
08-30-2022, 09:41 PM
Just curious and too lazy to look it up, but I’ve never seen a team hit into double plays as the 2022 Reds.

Kc61
08-30-2022, 09:41 PM
Reds defense has mostly been stellar tonight

Reds playing well tonight. Competent pitching, good defense, some timely hitting.

Still a lot of work to do with this club.

NebraskaRed
08-30-2022, 09:51 PM
Molina hovers right on the Mendoza line

Ron Madden
08-30-2022, 09:52 PM
I loved Geno I miss him



Jim Day
@JimDayTV

My dude!

Geno says hello @JimDayTV

https://twitter.com/realamay22/status/1564732308690804737/photo/1

Tadasimha
08-30-2022, 09:55 PM
Cardinals can't buck the trend of three and out

Strikes Out Looking
08-30-2022, 09:57 PM
Reds defense has mostly been stellar tonight

The defense hasn't really been the issue - it's the hitting and the pitching, the things that cost $$$ that has been and will be the issue for the foreseeable future, notwithstanding the first 8 innings today.

NebraskaRed
08-30-2022, 10:01 PM
Not to harp on Molina, but he seems far more checked out during his final season than I would have expected.

Kingspoint
08-30-2022, 10:03 PM
C'mon Nick. Put on your Big Boy pants.

Strikes Out Looking
08-30-2022, 10:05 PM
Not to harp on Molina, but he seems far more checked out during his final season than I would have expected.

At least he came to the park tonight. His boyfriend is stealing all his thunder lately.

Ron Madden
08-30-2022, 10:05 PM
Reds 5
Cards 1

going into the the 9th

Ron Madden
08-30-2022, 10:09 PM
Diaz pitching the 9th

There's a K !!!

Regulus
08-30-2022, 10:10 PM
How wild was he? Brad Lesley wild?

klw
08-30-2022, 10:12 PM
Just curious and too lazy to look it up, but Iíve never seen a team hit into double plays as the 2022 Reds.

They are only 4th in the NL for most GIDP this season.
https://www.baseball-reference.com/leagues/NL/2022.shtml

Tied for 4th in NL for % of GIDP opportunities resulting in GIDP
https://www.baseball-reference.com/leagues/NL/2022.shtml

Ron Madden
08-30-2022, 10:13 PM
Two outs man on first

Sassy Sal
08-30-2022, 10:15 PM
This has been a really nice bounce back after last night. I just hope Dunn is OK for his next start. Looking forward to see him progress the rest of the season.

Ron Madden
08-30-2022, 10:15 PM
Big k !!!

Reds win !!!

WVRedsFan
08-30-2022, 10:15 PM
REDS WIN!!!! Well played game.

Ron Madden
08-30-2022, 10:18 PM
I really hope Justin Dunn is alright

WVRedsFan
08-30-2022, 10:30 PM
I really hope Justin Dunn is alrightHoping Bell has the answer to that.

757690
08-30-2022, 10:54 PM
from Goldsmith:


Justin Dunn said he’s very confident that he’ll make his next start. He was dealing with shoulder stiffness, but David Bell said it wasn’t an injury.

OldFashionedRed
08-30-2022, 11:36 PM
Great finish by Diaz. Senzel and Aquino fading.

Ron Madden
08-31-2022, 03:12 AM
C. Trent Rosecrans
@ctrent

Justin Dunn had some shoulder soreness and was taken out as a precaution. He said he was mad at the time, but felt it was the right decision later.

Both Bell and Dunn are “confident” he’ll make his next start

9:39 PM ∑ Aug 30, 2022