NFL 2022 Season - Continued…

[oregonred]

Wilson evaluated for concussion after diving for a 1st down, but Rypien cashes it in on 4th and Goal to make it 34-28 KC

[Sea Ray]

Your feed still showing Bucs?

Nope

Seattle

[oregonred]

San Fran appears to be one of those teams that can win with anyone at QB.

Down to their #3 guy and still absolutely rolling.
Seems that way but they are 9-29 under Shanahan when Jimmy G doesn't start. Looks like 10-29 is secure.

46-17 when he starts.

[oregonred]

3rd INT for MVP Mahomes

Rypien in for Wilson

[The Operator]

These roughing calls are getting a little bit crazy. Wow.

[Sea Ray]

These roughing calls are getting a little bit crazy. Wow.

Good for Cris C for coming out strong on that one while the other 2 went wishy washy. It was an absolutely horrible call. It's football. You get tackled. The defender absolutely put his arm down to brace the fall. What more could he have done?

[The Operator]

Good for Cris C for coming out strong on that one while the other 2 went wishy washy. It was an absolutely horrible call. It's football. You get tackled. The defender absolutely put his arm down to brace the fall. What more could he have done?

Yea, I mean I’m all about protecting the QB. I think any Bengals fan has enough PTSD from over the years to be in favor of protecting the passer. But I just don’t see how you avoid stuff like that play unless you take away hits to the QB entirely.

The QB had the ball, the defender braced on his way down. What more could he have done? Just seems a little crazy.

[Chip R]

It just seems you cannot lie on the QB during a sack. I don't know what they want them to do. Maybe move your body weight so you land on the side instead of on the QB.

[kaldaniels]

Miami-LAC game on a bright green field is a rather beautiful thing to watch on a nice TV.

[Boston Red]

Tua finished 10-28. Ouch

[The Operator]

Tua finished 10-28. Ouch

Yikes. I knew he looked off, didn’t realize it was that bad. One of his worst games of the year.

[goreds2]

If the NFL season ended now, all 4 teams from the NFC East would be in the playoffs.

[Kingspoint]

If the NFL season ended now, all 4 teams from the NFC East would be in the playoffs.

Lions are going to take one of those spots.

[The Operator]

Lions are going to take one of those spots.

Would love to see that. Dan Campbell is awesome.

[BuckeyeRed27]

Kyler goes down with a non contact injury, probably his right knee and was carted off. Bummer for him.

[KoryMac5]

Kyler goes down with a non contact injury, probably his right knee and was carted off. Bummer for him.

Yep usually means ACL...tough break for sure.

[Rojo Rijo]

Per source initial results are torn ACL, pending MRI tomorrow

[Kingspoint]

Per source initial results are torn ACL, pending MRI tomorrow

Whoo Hoo!!! More time for PlayStation!

[Kingspoint]

...

[WrongVerb]

https://youtu.be/RMvlx2S4N_M

[Kingspoint]

Washington's Chase Young, one of the best Defensive Players in the NFL, looks to make his 2022 debut this week in the Sunday Evening game when 7-5-1 Commanders host the 7-5-1 New York Giants. They couldn't settle it last week as the game they played each other ended in a tie. The winner basically launches themselves into the playoffs by winning the tie-breaker versus the other. Already with a very good Defense, the Commanders' addition of Chase Young gives them a player that makes game-winning plays in the playoffs. The elite players truly make the difference in the playoffs. They seem to have another gear that others just don't have.

With Young, Washington will be able to beat anyone in the playoffs. They also have a decent backup (better than most teams) should their Starting QB get injured during the playoffs.

[Sea Ray]

Washington's Chase Young, one of the best Defensive Players in the NFL, looks to make his 2022 debut this week in the Sunday Evening game when 7-5-1 Commanders host the 7-5-1 New York Giants. They couldn't settle it last week as the game they played each other ended in a tie. The winner basically launches themselves into the playoffs by winning the tie-breaker versus the other. Already with a very good Defense, the Commanders' addition of Chase Young gives them a player that makes game-winning plays in the playoffs. The elite players truly make the difference in the playoffs. They seem to have another gear that others just don't have.

With Young, Washington will be able to beat anyone in the playoffs. They also have a decent backup (better than most teams) should their Starting QB get injured during the playoffs.

A lot of that is dependent upon Young coming back as what he was. It might take some time until he's back 100% and in game shape

[WrongVerb]

Minnesota is crapping the bed against Indy.

[The Operator]

The “any given Sunday” effect on full display in this Colts-Vikings game. 30-0 Colts with 4 minutes left in the first half.


I’m not a betting man but I wish I had put some money down on Indy. Holy crap.

[GAC]

GO BROWNS!!!!

[The Operator]

GO BROWNS!!!!

Today is one day where Bengals fans everywhere will be Browns fans. Haha

[The Operator]

Meltdown under way in the Colts-Vikings game…

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How on earth was that a face mask penalty?!?

[goreds2]

The “any given Sunday” effect on full display in this Colts-Vikings game. 30-0 Colts with 4 minutes left in the first half.


I’m not a betting man but I wish I had put some money down on Indy. Holy crap.

Colts now up 36-21 with 10 min. Remaining

[The Operator]

Colts knock Jefferson out (he seems fine but had to be examined) with a helmet to helmet hit, Cousins throws a pick the very next play.

Ouch.

[goreds2]

GO BROWNS!!!!

The day is always better for Browns, Bengals and Steelers fans when the Ravens lose.

[The Operator]

Vikings make it 36-28 with 6 minutes to play.


What a crazy game.

[The Operator]

Whaaaaaaaat is going on.

That’s a fumble and a touchdown. That’s an easy call.

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How on earth do you enforce an unsportsmanlike conduct penalty like that after blowing such an EASY call on a scoop and score and taking away a touchdown.

God these refs are awful.

[The Operator]

Well that should about do it.

NFL referee incompetence costs us potentially one of the greatest comebacks in NFL history.

[goreds2]

Well that should about do it.

NFL referee incompetence costs us potentially one of the greatest comebacks in NFL history.

Not quite yet.

[The Operator]

Vikings manage a 4th down stop…we may get one more chance at a crazy finish.


Jeff Saturday challenges the spot but I doubt they overturn that.

[The Operator]

Oh my god!!!!!

[The Operator]

Welp. The Colts get the ball with 2 minutes left.

Let’s see what goes down. Craziest game I’ve seen in years.

[The Operator]

Vikings will now get the ball back with about a minute.

Wow.

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All tied up 36-36.

Vikings take over around their own 25 with 70 seconds.

[WrongVerb]

Vikings punt to Indy 1 with 22 seconds. Here comes OT.

[goreds2]

Overtime

[WrongVerb]

Also: what a game!

[The Operator]

We head to OT in Minnesota.

A game that went to halftime 33-0 is now 36-36 at the start of overtime. Incredible.

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Minnesota gets the ball to start OT.

Wow wow wow.

[The Operator]

Vikings offense stalls out, they make a surprise move to punt instead of kick the field goal.


A field goal by Indy would win it.

[The Operator]

Even this overtime has been crazy. Wow.

[The Operator]

Vikings win 39-36!!!

Wow wow wow I can’t believe what I just witnessed.

[UKFlounder]

Matt Ryan with a big lead may not be a good omen…

[Kingspoint]

That would be as good a reason as any why Saturday should not be a Head Coach in the NFL right now.

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Vikings win 39-36!!!

Wow wow wow I can’t believe what I just witnessed.

I would think that it was the greatest football game to ever be watched in Minneapolis by Vikings' fans.

[WVRed]

Matt Ryan with a big lead may not be a good omen…

28-3

[The Operator]

Justin Tucker missed a field goal! All kinds of craziness today. lol


6-3 Browns over Ravens at the half

[GAC]

What a pitiful display by two teams in Cleveland

[BuckeyeRed27]

What a pitiful display by two teams in Cleveland

Actually thought it’s been kind of an interesting game. Just kind of a pitchers duel.

[Betterread]

Great comeback by the Vikings! They never gave up. I certainly did for a half. But then, in the fourth Q, I felt like the kid in the Polar Express.
And two touchdowns and a long punt return negated by phantom bad calls.
Good for the team to start playing well beginning with the second half, but that first half was hauntingly bad.
11-3 and clinched a division title. They may not be the best team in the NFL, but they are the most entertaining.

[The Operator]

What was Watson doing on that 3rd down play? It’s an easy first down if he just runs with it.

But Chubb still picks it up on 4th down.

[BuckeyeRed27]

What was Watson doing on that 3rd down play? It’s an easy first down if he just runs with it.

But Chubb still picks it up on 4th down.

It was a TD if that wasn’t a practice squad WR.

[WrongVerb]

Snow on the lake

[The Operator]

A lot of things going right for The Browns!

Take this down for a TD now…

[WrongVerb]

Snow on the lake

Did Tucker slip on that due to said snow?

[goreds2]

Snow on the lake

The next game on NFL Network is in Buffalo.

[The Operator]

What is going on here, lol.

Reminds me of the Packers-Bengals game from last season with all the missed kicks.

[The Operator]

John Harbaugh seems to get burned sooo much by going for these 4th downs and also 2 point plays.

Is it just me? Am I just noticing the times that don’t work?

[The Operator]

Nice round of applause for Brissett who comes in to pick up a 4th down with a sneak.

[WrongVerb]

Brisette with the sneak, same as last week. Looks like he's got 50 lbs on Watson. Maybe that's why they use him.

[Tony Cloninger]

Ravens should have lost last 2 games. Their 1970s offense finally met a team that didn’t self destruct too much.

[The Operator]

Another missed kick.

Crazy.

[Tony Cloninger]

Never effing mind. Come on York.

[WrongVerb]

Way to go Brownies!

[Tony Cloninger]

Hopefully Leroy Kelly and Bo Scott can run the clock out on this 1973 Browns and Colts matchup.

[WrongVerb]

Apparently this is from Kevin O'Connell's halftime speech to his Vikings team:

https://media.tenor.com/Io6CUHF0YdwAAAAM/glengarry-glen-ross-brass-balls.gif

[goreds2]

The day is always better for Browns, Bengals and Steelers fans when the Ravens lose.

How sweet it is.

[Sea Ray]

Today is one day where Bengals fans everywhere will be Browns fans. Haha

Thank you Browns...I'm now going to go back to hating them

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Hopefully Leroy Kelly and Bo Scott can run the clock out on this 1973 Browns and Colts matchup.

How did the Ravens punt once all the while scoring only 3 pts

[Sea Ray]

Heartbreaking news...Mike Zimmer's son Adam who coached with him in Minnesota has passed away at 38.


Former Vikings defensive coordinator’s death caused by chronic alcohol abuse: reports

https://www.foxnews.com/sports/former-vikings-defensive-coordinators-death-caused-chronic-alcohol-abuse-reports

[WrongVerb]

Bills Dolphins game paused because fans throwing snowballs into the field. They need a "you don't live in Cleveland" moment.

[Stray]

Josh Allen is too big to be as freakishly athletic as he is. Scary good.

[WrongVerb]

Lake effect show arrives as the Bills tie the game at 29.

[Sea Ray]

Lake effect show arrives as the Bills tie the game at 29.

This snow is nice

[WrongVerb]

The snow takes away the Miami run game. They've been gashing the Bills all night.

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This snow is nice

Might be a white Christmas this year. Long range forecast.

[Stray]

December primetime football in the snow. Best time of year.

[WrongVerb]

Good luck getting home tonight, Bills fans.

[WrongVerb]

Good luck getting home tonight, Bills fans.

They're singing "Let It Snow"! Love it!

[Stray]

That was a fun game.

[WrongVerb]

32-29 Bills. Final. Looks like the AFC championship runs through Buffalo.

[Sea Ray]

32-29 Bills. Final. Looks like the AFC championship runs through Buffalo.

If we win out (and beat Buffalo) they'll have to come here

[WrongVerb]

If we win out (and beat Buffalo) they'll have to come here

Crap. Forgot about that.

[GAC]

I figured the Browns would win that game. The Ravens have been squeaking by most of the year, even with QB Jackson in there. Jackson is having a sub-par season (and once again battling injuries). There's just too much talent on that Brown's roster, and they got their QB.

But if one looks first at the game statistics, without knowing the score, you'd have thought the Ravens won. What killed the Ravens were those two turnovers.

I'm just skeptical of Stefanski's coaching. IMO. He'll be under the microscope in '23.

[Sea Ray]

I figured the Browns would win that game. The Ravens have been squeaking by most of the year, even with QB Jackson in there. Jackson is having a sub-par season (and once again battling injuries). There's just too much talent on that Brown's roster, and they got their QB.

But if one looks first at the game statistics, without knowing the score, you'd have thought the Ravens won. What killed the Ravens were those two turnovers.

I'm just skeptical of Stefanski's coaching. IMO. He'll be under the microscope in '23.

The Browns don't have their QB yet. In time Watson may become that guy but to this point his play has been worse than what Brissett gave them

[GAC]

The Browns don't have their QB yet. In time Watson may become that guy but to this point his play has been worse than what Brissett gave them

According to Brown's management, and looking at the humungous sacrifices made to get him, they feel they do.

Three games... and he hasn't played in how long? Very small window. That's a lot of rust to remove.

[Boston Red]

Cowboys have been playing silly in Jax. May blow it.

[The Operator]

Jags receiver was obviously out of bounds and the ref missed it fixing them to burn a timeout.

[Todd Gack]

Cowboys have been playing silly in Jax. May blow it.

Lawrence tried to do too much on the fumble and they've had terrible clock management at the end of the game here, but it's obvious that the longer he's away from Urban, the better he's becoming.

[RiverRat13]

Great game in Jacksonville. There’s a better than average chance that this time next year the consensus top 5 quarterbacks will be in the AFC.

[Boston Red]

Chiefs now in trouble in OT in Houston. Could see a tie there

[WrongVerb]

Chiefs now in trouble in OT in Houston. Could see a tie there

This post aged poorly lol :D

[Boston Red]

Chiefs got the turnover and win.

[Boston Red]

Cowboys choke complete.

[The Operator]

Wow that Jags-Cowboys ending…

[BuckeyeRed27]

That was a really fun 1pm window. After an excellent World Cup this morning, someone made a fantastic sacrifice to the sports god.

[Sea Ray]

According to Brown's management, and looking at the humungous sacrifices made to get him, they feel they do.

Three games... and he hasn't played in how long? Very small window. That's a lot of rust to remove.

No question. Watson can't be properly evaluated till next yr

[goreds2]

Dare I say it but if the Patriots and Chargers can some how lose, the Browns, Steelers and Jags move to within 1 game of the final wildcard slot. Of course it looks like tie breakers will come into play.

[westofyou]

That Raider win was insane

[WrongVerb]

That Raider win was insane

Gotta see it to believe it. Video at link...

https://twitter.com/NFL/status/1604634494245314561?t=QmufWEMVnOl7sZd-IryjEQ&s=19

[UKFlounder]

More of a Patriot loss



That Raider win was insane

[goreds2]

Dare I say it but if the Patriots and Chargers can some how lose, the Browns, Steelers and Jags move to within 1 game of the final wildcard slot. Of course it looks like tie breakers will come into play.

PATS lose but Chargers won. Still three games remaining.

[westofyou]

More of a Patriot loss

Complete fail, loneliest plane ride ever happening soon

[KoryMac5]

Complete fail, loneliest plane ride ever happening soon

Hoodie will probably cut 2 players just to ease his pain...

[oregonred]

Tirico and Cris are nauseating hyping these two teams and big markets. They are the tallest midgets in a poor conference outside the Eagles, Cowboys and Niners. Neither team would be in the top 8-9 of the AFC.

The TV is on but not paying much attention to this sloppy mediocre QB snoozefest

[KoryMac5]

Tirico and Cris are nauseating hyping these two teams and big markets. They are the tallest midgets in a poor conference outside the Eagles, Cowboys and Niners. Neither team would be in the top 8-9 of the AFC.

The TV is on but not paying much attention to this sloppy mediocre QB snoozefest

Washington's play-calling is atrocious...somehow Brian Robinson only has 12 carries tonight.

[The Operator]

Saquon Barkley putting on a clinic for how to ice a game after that fumble by Washington.

[The Operator]

Blatant pass interference gets no-called to end the Giants-Commanders game.

[Sea Ray]

Blatant pass interference gets no-called to end the Giants-Commanders game.

In what world is this not pass interference?

19067

[Betterread]

In what world is this not pass interference?

19067

This world. I see worse every game on Minnesota receivers. I think the rule has changed that PI is only if you tackle or wipe out a receiver early. Merely holding their arms or hands down or slapping them in the head or neck is mere chicanery, and is thoroughly encouraged by the NFL.

[Sea Ray]

You can't have a mugging out there, especially at that point in the game. Hell, we (Bengals) lost a Super Bowl 10 months ago on a much less obvious call

[GAC]

No question. Watson can't be properly evaluated till next yr

I've already stated it prior, but will repeat it here (lol) .... the person who will really be on the hot seat in '23 will be Stefanski. Sure, most are giving him a pass (rightly so) because he didn't have his QB for 11 weeks (though Brissett ain't no slouch). But he better make some noise next season because he has too much talent up there. And I never thought I'd be saying that about a Cleveland Browns team (lol).

I'm old enough to remember (and enjoyed) the old AFC Central of the 70s. One bad-a** division. And I really enjoyed the Bengal-Browns rivalry (back when it meant more). QBs- Ken Anderson vs Mike Phipps/Brian Sipe. Would love to see one develop between Burrows and Watson. It's healthy for the game.

[The Operator]

You can't have a mugging out there, especially at that point in the game. Hell, we (Bengals) lost a Super Bowl 10 months ago on a much less obvious call

Yea… that PI at the end of the Super Bowl was garbage and then they let crap like that go in a game with playoff implications for Washington?

Total screw job.

[KoryMac5]

Both calls the non PI and the illegal formation where Terry Mclaurin check’s twice to make sure he was good. Terrible way to lose a game.

[Betterread]

You can't have a mugging out there, especially at that point in the game. Hell, we (Bengals) lost a Super Bowl 10 months ago on a much less obvious call

Right. The biggest mugging in the game was the illegal face mask and push on Ransey that enabled Higgins to get opoen on the bengals TD that changed the game for a while.
Bengals are good at skating along the lines of the rules. It helps them win. Good teams need that. So don’t get petulant about bad refereeing. The Bengals coaches and players don’t. In a world where Dbs can get away with all kinds of illegal contact, good for Higgins that he says why not me?

[Sea Ray]

Right. The biggest mugging in the game was the illegal face mask and push on Ransey that enabled Higgins to get opoen on the bengals TD that changed the game for a while.
Bengals are good at skating along the lines of the rules. It helps them win. Good teams need that. So don’t get petulant about bad refereeing. The Bengals coaches and players don’t. In a world where Dbs can get away with all kinds of illegal contact, good for Higgins that he says why not me?

The Higgins call was not in the last minute or two of the game. The adage is that officials swallow their whistles in crunch-time 'cause they don't want their call to determine the game. I think when it's as bad as last night, the call needs to be made.

I don't have sympathy for Washington on the illegal formation. It's not up to the official to counsel you before the play on whether you're lined up right or not. I do think it's a stupid rule and should be dropped from the rulebook

[Sea Ray]

Jalen Hurts has a sprained shoulder. Interesting how none of these reports want to go on record as to which shoulder but in looking at the replays it sure looks like his throwing shoulder

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/10027632-report-eagles-jalen-hurts-got-x-rays-on-undetermined-injury-after-win-over-bears

[KoryMac5]

The Higgins call was not in the last minute or two of the game. The adage is that officials swallow their whistles in crunch-time 'cause they don't want their call to determine the game. I think when it's as bad as last night, the call needs to be made.

I don't have sympathy for Washington on the illegal formation. It's not up to the official to counsel you before the play on whether you're lined up right or not. I do think it's a stupid rule and should be dropped from the rulebook

According to Peter King officials typically assist during the game as they don't want to bog the game down with hypertechnical calls...

You see McLaurin ask twice and he moves up...if you watch the video that ref is reaching for his pocket...

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2022/12/19/penalty-on-terry-mclaurin-is-a-very-bad-look-for-the-nfl/

[Sea Ray]

According to Peter King officials typically assist during the game as they don't want to bog the game down with hypertechnical calls...

You see McLaurin ask twice and he moves up...if you watch the video that ref is reaching for his pocket...

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2022/12/19/penalty-on-terry-mclaurin-is-a-very-bad-look-for-the-nfl/

Yeah, I saw that too but nowhere did I see the official tell him he's good

[CTA513]

I guess she really thought people would take her side by posting her interaction with Giovani Bernard on twitter?


Bucs running back Giovani Bernard didn’t want to talk to the media about what happened on the botched fake punt. Here’s that interaction.

Note: As reporters, it is our job to seek clarity on what happened, especially on the most pivotal play of a game.

https://twitter.com/JennaLaineESPN/status/1604654008991420419


Its good to see all the people in the replies and quote tweets sticking up for Bernard and calling her out for this.

[GAC]

Jalen Hurts has a sprained shoulder. Interesting how none of these reports want to go on record as to which shoulder but in looking at the replays it sure looks like his throwing shoulder

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/10027632-report-eagles-jalen-hurts-got-x-rays-on-undetermined-injury-after-win-over-bears

He got nailed, driven into the ground running the ball for a 3 yd gain. Another one of these QBs - highly athletic, exceptional ability - who puts his body out there to take a beating weekly, and is suffering the consequences. IMO, sooner or later it catches up to you, odds are against you when you keep throwing your body out there for punishment/abuse.

The opposing QB (Justin Fields) is another one. He's had an electric year, joining elite crowd of QBs who rush for 1,000+ yards/season. But he too is banged up with a separated shoulder, and was playing through leg cramps Sunday. And while it's not all his fault, his team is 3-11. Then there is Lamar Jackson who has battled injury all season, and is out/injured for the second year in a row, late in the season at a critical juncture.

It's some what ironic that the NFL has gone to great lengths in enacting rules to protect the health of the QB, minimize injury risk, and keep them n the field; but there's not much they can do to protect an option-run QB once they decide to tuck the ball and run with it - outside of a targeting hit/personal foul or the QB sliding.

I'm amazed with Josh Allen who puts his body out there also, and like Fields, leads his team in rushing yardage (700+), yet fortunately hasn't been hit with the injury bug. Then there's Deshaun Watson who has an injury history, especially with his ACLs. Torn both. One in college, and the other in practice (NFL). He also has back issues. Until his recent reinstatement, he hasn't played since 2020.

When the entire success of your team is invested in the QB position, I don't like the odds avoiding injury when it comes to the run-option QB. Again, look at the history. I'll take a pocket passer, a Joe Burrows, who is athletic, can run if need be; but his true talent is reading defensives, going thru his progression, and quickly getting rid of the ball.

[BuckeyeRed27]

Running QBs might get hurt a little more, I’d actually be curious to see stats on that, but it’s just a tough position where guys get hurt. Burrow got killed 2 seasons ago. Jimmy G, Wentz, Pickett, Stafford, Winston all have missed time this year. Baker probably ruined what was left of his career last year. Andrew Luck retired because he couldn’t stay healthy. All timers like Manning, Brady and Brees all had significant injuries that cost them most or all of an entire season at one point.

[GAC]

Running QBs might get hurt a little more, I’d actually be curious to see stats on that, but it’s just a tough position where guys get hurt. Burrow got killed 2 seasons ago. Jimmy G, Wentz, Pickett, Stafford, Winston all have missed time this year. Baker probably ruined what was left of his career last year. Andrew Luck retired because he couldn’t stay healthy. All timers like Manning, Brady and Brees all had significant injuries that cost them most or all of an entire season at one point.

Absolutely true. It's a violent sport. And all it takes is one good (or illegal) hit. Carson Palmer and Joe Burrows are just two examples. Theisman's was one of the nastiest. So it shows us how easy it is to break a QB (lol). I look at it as a percentage game, and you try to do what you can to decrease the percentage, put the odds in your favor. The more you're the ball carrier, the more hits your body is taking, and the odds/risk of injury is greater.

Secondly, there's the issue of physique. And while they have the physique that enables them to move like a gazelle, these lean, agile, athletic QBs, do not have the build/body mass designed to take a consistent beating.

But something these run-option QBs have done to change the game (imo) - leaner LBers so they have the speed/mobility to catch a Jackson (lol).

[Bob Sheed]

Absolutely true. It's a violent sport. And all it takes is one good (or illegal) hit. Carson Palmer and Joe Burrows are just two examples. Theisman's was one of the nastiest. So it shows us how easy it is to break a QB (lol). I look at it as a percentage game, and you try to do what you can to decrease the percentage, put the odds in your favor. The more you're the ball carrier, the more hits your body is taking, and the odds/risk of injury is greater.

Secondly, there's the issue of physique. And while they have the physique that enables them to move like a gazelle, these lean, agile, athletic QBs, do not have the build/body mass designed to take a consistent beating.

But something these run-option QBs have done to change the game (imo) - leaner LBers so they have the speed/mobility to catch a Jackson (lol).

Burrow's was among the worst I have seen. And I saw Theisman's when it happened too. The only thing that made Theisman's worse, is that halfway decent instant replay technology was relatively new, so they kept showing it over and over again from like 30 different speeds and angles. Whereas with Burrow's injury, they only showed the replay once. That was enough. Burrow got his leg snapped in 3 different pieces, from full speed contact coming from two different guys at opposite angles. It's amazing he is back in action and playing at the level he is playing at.

[Chip R]

Absolutely true. It's a violent sport. And all it takes is one good (or illegal) hit. Carson Palmer and Joe Burrows are just two examples. Theisman's was one of the nastiest. So it shows us how easy it is to break a QB (lol). I look at it as a percentage game, and you try to do what you can to decrease the percentage, put the odds in your favor. The more you're the ball carrier, the more hits your body is taking, and the odds/risk of injury is greater.

Secondly, there's the issue of physique. And while they have the physique that enables them to move like a gazelle, these lean, agile, athletic QBs, do not have the build/body mass designed to take a consistent beating.

But something these run-option QBs have done to change the game (imo) - leaner LBers so they have the speed/mobility to catch a Jackson (lol).

I think it's not necessarily the big hits guys take that put them out - like Burrow or Dalton - but the cumulative amount of hits they take over the years. A lot of these guys - like Josh Allen - aren't sliding to avoid contact. They are dishing it right out to the defenses. And while that may seem cool, I agree that if they keep doing that, odds are they will get hurt and while the injuries may not be debilitating, they may cause them to lose effectiveness.

[Sea Ray]

Running QBs don't age well. All QBs are prone to serious injuries. Nobody was more protected in the pocket than TB12 and even he lost a year due to his ACL getting ripped. But mobile guys are more prone to getting banged up. They also show it more. If Burrow loses a step due to a nagging leg/knee injury it's not going to affect his game like it would Lemar Jackson.

The Brown family has a philosophy of get a franchise QB and then keep him out of harm's way. That's why a Lamar Jackson or a Kaepernick never would have worked here. They'd never run an offense that'd use those mobile skills. I cringe everytime I see Joe Burrow run with the ball even if it's for a big gain.

[Sea Ray]

Colts are benching Matty Ice again

[GAC]

Burrow's was among the worst I have seen. And I saw Theisman's when it happened too. The only thing that made Theisman's worse, is that halfway decent instant replay technology was relatively new, so they kept showing it over and over again from like 30 different speeds and angles. Whereas with Burrow's injury, they only showed the replay once. That was enough. Burrow got his leg snapped in 3 different pieces, from full speed contact coming from two different guys at opposite angles. It's amazing he is back in action and playing at the level he is playing at.

I'd have to say that Gayle Sayers knee injury, inflicted by Kermit Alexander, was also one of the worst (though no video footage exists). The knee only bends one way. It was reported that Kermit bent Gayle's knee completely out the other way, ripping out all the cartilage. OUCH!

It was 9 games into the season. He had the surgery, very grueling rehab, and not only started the next season, but led the NFL in rushing.

[The Operator]

Colts are benching Matty Ice again

What an absolute circus. They need to go QB in the draft and be done with it.

They’re giving the late 90’s Bengals a run for their money.

[Stray]

Sauce Gardner has been selected to the Pro Bowl in his rookie season. So much for that overrated cause he never faced anyone narrative.

[Sea Ray]

Sauce Gardner has been selected to the Pro Bowl in his rookie season. So much for that overrated cause he never faced anyone narrative.

He's had a really good year but why are they making Pro Bowl selections before the year's over?

[WrongVerb]

Ian Rapoport
@RapSheet

From NFL Now: The #Eagles will start QB Gardner Minshew this weekend.
1:26pm · 22 Dec 2022 ·

[The Operator]

I’m a big fan of Gardner Minshew. He’s put up solid numbers whenever he’s had a chance to play.


Would love to see him get a shot with a QB hungry team somewhere. His personality would be great for the league.

[BuckeyeRed27]

Lamar is out and it sounds like Hundley might be too.

[Boss-Hog]

Lamar is out and it sounds like Hundley might be too.Huntley has been announced as the starter Saturday (as of today) even though he was limited with a shoulder injury at practice yesterday. I'm not missing anything from anywhere credible reporting otherwise, am I?

[BuckeyeRed27]

Huntley has been announced as the starter Saturday (as of today) even though he was limited with a shoulder injury at practice yesterday. I'm not missing anything from anywhere credible reporting otherwise, am I?

He did throw today, but didn’t practice. That doesn’t sound super promising even if he does start.

[oregonred]

Lamar may not be in any rush to get back until 100% given the contract uncertainty

[Tony Cloninger]

He's had a really good year but why are they making Pro Bowl selections before the year's over?

If they can’t play this game after 2 weeks of the SB and players are too scared to play it. Which I understand you don’t want to risk injury. Which in the years and years of Pro Bowl games you never heard of it happening. Because if it did. It would be talked about over and over.

Anyways. What’s my point. I don’t know anymore. It’s pointless to pick the players before the last game of the year. It’s pointless to do this in between playing the SB game. Game or no game.

[Stray]

Zach Wilson is bad, but he's not as bad as he's playing. It's mental at this point and I don't see him figuring out in that market and pressure. Tough break for the Jets because they're a really good team.

[RedTeamGo!]

Zach Wilson is bad, but he's not as bad as he's playing. It's mental at this point and I don't see him figuring out in that market and pressure. Tough break for the Jets because they're a really good team.

I’m pretty sure Wilson is as bad as he’s playing. In college he went against 3 ranked teams and was absolutely awful in those 3 games. I cannot believe NFL teams still draft QBs like him.

[KoryMac5]

Youtube TV nabs Sunday Ticket for 2.5 billion per season

Amazon and Apple had dropped out of the bidding...Apple supposedly offered to make the subscription cheaper by trying to fold the cost into subscriptions and the NFL said no...Amazon dropped out after losing $$$ on their Thursday night package (which is awful FWIW).

Sorry didn't see this had a thread of its own...

[WVRed]

Youtube TV nabs Sunday Ticket for 2.5 billion per season

Amazon and Apple had dropped out of the bidding...Apple supposedly offered to make the subscription cheaper by trying to fold the cost into subscriptions and the NFL said no...Amazon dropped out after losing $$$ on their Thursday night package (which is awful FWIW).

Sorry didn't see this had a thread of its own...

Wonder how long before the price of YouTube TV goes up to compensate for it?

[KoryMac5]

Wonder how long before the price of YouTube TV goes up to compensate for it?

Their base subscription has gone up once in the few years I have been with them...though the Sunday Ticket sounds like it will be an add on cost that you purchase separately with your subscription.

[Sea Ray]

Us Bengal fans know this story real well:


Tickets for Bears Game in Arctic Conditions Close to Free

The holiday, Bears problems and now the weather forecast have combined to make it possible for fans to see Justin Fields in person against one of the AFC's Super Bowl contenders for less than the cost of a tank of gas—a lot less.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/autos/news/tickets-for-bears-game-in-arctic-conditions-close-to-free/ar-AA15zpY8?cvid=57154acb18a6412f9adeb43926fc22fe

[plantmanky]

Lamar may not be in any rush to get back until 100% given the contract uncertainty

Lamar may have played his last down for the Ravens.

[RiverRat13]

The only game that matters for the Titans is Week 18. They can lose this week and next week but beat the Jags and they win the division. So would you rest all of your guys tomorrow and next week if you are Vrabel?

[goreds2]

Saturday, Dec. 24
Atlanta Falcons vs. Baltimore Ravens, 1 p.m., FOX

Detroit Lions vs. Carolina Panthers, 1 p.m., FOX

Buffalo Bills vs. Chicago Bears, 1 p.m., CBS

New Orleans Saints vs. Cleveland Browns, 1 p.m., CBS

Seattle Seahawks vs. Kansas City Chiefs, 1 p.m., FOX

New York Giants vs. Minnesota Vikings, 1 p.m., FOX

Cincinnati Bengals vs. New England Patriots, 1 p.m., CBS

Houston Texans vs. Tennessee Titans, 1 p.m., CBS

Washington Commanders vs. San Francisco 49ers, 4:05 p.m., CBS

Philadelphia Eagles vs. Dallas Cowboys, 4:25 p.m., FOX

Las Vegas Raiders vs. Pittsburgh Steelers, 8:15 p.m., NFLN

[KoryMac5]

The only game that matters for the Titans is Week 18. They can lose this week and next week but beat the Jags and they win the division. So would you rest all of your guys tomorrow and next week if you are Vrabel?

Tannehill is out for the season Willis needs reps so I would think he will play....

[ShyGuy]

I thought for some reason Andy Dalton retired with the Bengals.

I was surprised to hear him today as QB for the Saints

[RiverRat13]

I thought for some reason Andy Dalton retired with the Bengals.

I was surprised to hear him today as QB for the Saints

Dalton is now 13-5 against the Browns.

[Sea Ray]

So much for all that Detroit Lions hype

[ShyGuy]

So much for all that Detroit Lions hype

For the Browns, Lions, and Jets despite however promising they may look its always the case

[goreds2]

-5 degrees wind chill in Pittsburgh tonight.

[Stray]

What the heck was that Derek Carr throw? Renfrow was open and he missed him by like 15 yards.

[goreds2]

Steelers stay in the playoff hunt with a 13-10 victory on Franco Harris number retirement night.

[The Operator]

Steelers stay in the playoff hunt with a 13-10 victory on Franco Harris number retirement night.

Why on earth did The Steelers wait this long to retire his number? I was shocked it wasn’t already.


It’s a shame he wasn’t there to take it all in. I’m no fan of The Steelers but he authored one of football’s iconic moments, there’s no doubt about that.

[WVRed]

Why on earth did The Steelers wait this long to retire his number? I was shocked it wasn’t already.


It’s a shame he wasn’t there to take it all in. I’m no fan of The Steelers but he authored one of football’s iconic moments, there’s no doubt about that.

I was thinking the same thing.

As for last night, it was a game the Steelers probably should have won but odds are more likely they will still finish with a winning record to keep Tomlins streak alive but still miss the playoffs.

[The Operator]

Tua has 7 completions for 219 (!!!) yards so far against the Packers.


Don’t see that statistical oddity very often.

[The Operator]

Good grief The Dolphins are flat out in a collapse.

Three straight drives end in an INT.

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Dolphins with their 4th straight loss.

[KoryMac5]

Good grief The Dolphins are flat out in a collapse.

Three straight drives end in an INT.

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Dolphins with their 4th straight loss.

The big knock on Tua has always been he is a one read QB...we saw that today.

[WrongVerb]

If the Dolphins or Chargers lose out, and Pittsburgh wins out, the Steelers are in the playoffs.

[Stray]

Andy Dalton gonna lead the Saints to the playoffs isn't he

But yeah, the Bucs are bad and Tom isn't right.

[The Operator]

So is Brady cooked?


I mean, he’s Tom Brady so I’ll never totally write him off, but he looks pretty cooked.

[Stray]

Brady obv has off field stuff going on this year, but he is not a very good QB right now. I don't think he forgot how to read defenses or throw the ball, he's just not all in for it right now. His O-Line is pretty similar to ours last year lol. Wouldn't be surprised to see him go one more year in SF or NE.

[Wonderful Monds]

Brady obv has off field stuff going on this year, but he is not a very good QB right now. I don't think he forgot how to read defenses or throw the ball, he's just not all in for it right now. His O-Line is pretty similar to ours last year lol. Wouldn't be surprised to see him go one more year in SF or NE.

Him going back to the Pats would honestly shock me. He and Belichick are both laying turds in their respective situations now, there’s a lot of potential for embarrassment in a reunion.

[goreds2]

So is Brady cooked?


I mean, he’s Tom Brady so I’ll never totally write him off, but he looks pretty cooked.

Tom Brady guides late comeback as Tampa Bay gets past Arizona in OT

https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/cardinals-vs-buccaneers-score-takeaways-tom-brady-guides-late-comeback-as-tampa-bay-gets-past-arizona-in-ot/live/

[Hillsdale87]

So is Brady cooked?


I mean, he’s Tom Brady so I’ll never totally write him off, but he looks pretty cooked.

It's weird. He looks awful a lot, but he always seems to be able to get it done at the end when they need to come back and he gets to call the plays instead of Leftwich. He's definitely missing some throws that he would normally hit though.

Leftwich is a terrible OC, and Bowles seems to be a terrible coach, which makes it harder to see how much is on Brady. Perhaps he shouldn't have pushed Arians out...


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[Bob Sheed]

I'm convinced the networks all use the same 10 second stock footage of Bowles with a completely blank expression on his face as the camera slowly zooms in to his chin stubble.

I saw it over and over again last week vs the Bengals, and last night as well. Brady throws another INT? Roll that beautiful Bowles footage.

[WVRed]

Broncos finally pull the plug on Hackett.

Shane Waldron might be one to watch there.

[plantmanky]

Broncos finally pull the plug on Hackett.

Shane Waldron might be one to watch there.

Doesn't really solve their issues but hey why not.

[Sea Ray]

Why fire Hackett with two games to go? I don't get that

[KoryMac5]

Why fire Hackett with two games to go? I don't get that

He totally lost the locker room...guys arguing on the sideline...he had no control.

Should have happened 4-5 games ago

[Sea Ray]

He totally lost the locker room...guys arguing on the sideline...he had no control.

Should have happened 4-5 games ago

Of course it should have happened earlier. At this point, surely you can wait 2 more games

[Todd Gack]

He totally lost the locker room...guys arguing on the sideline...he had no control.

Should have happened 4-5 games ago

True, but he wasn't the one who traded for their biggest problem. GM should've been fired first, and then Hacket.

[JaxRed]

Instead the statement seems to throw support behind the GM who might have the worst trade/sign in history.

Edit: Saw Sean Payton is trending as a possible replacement. I'd be surprised if Payton took on this mess. And the mess specifically is all about Wilson's contract, and all the draft capital tied up in acquiring him.

I'd be surprised if any "hot" name took it. If I was a hot candidate, I'd demand about a 10 year deal knowing it would take a long time to fix this.

My guess is they hire a "rebound" HC. Someone getting a second chance. And/or one of the coaches who only gets interviews because of the Rooney rule. For example Raheem Morris. Fits the bill perfectly. Respected guy with experience, gets interviewed a lot. Or Leslie Frazier

[Wonderful Monds]

Denver might be a fit for Brian Flores. Maybe a bit shaky that he could right Wilson given that Tua was a flop until he was out in Miami. But just a thought either way.

[WVRed]

Doesn't really solve their issues but hey why not.

If it is it would be because Russ has a say in it. He was pretty vocal about wanting him as offensive coordinator in Seattle and he’s from the McVay tree.

[Sea Ray]

Instead the statement seems to throw support behind the GM who might have the worst trade/sign in history.

Edit: Saw Sean Payton is trending as a possible replacement. I'd be surprised of Payton took on this mess. And the mess specifically is all about Wilson's contract, and all the draft capital tied up in acquiring him.

I'd be surprised if any "hot" name took it. If I was a hot candidate, I'd demand about a 10 year deal knowing it would take a long time to fix this.

My guess is they hire a "rebound" HC. Someone getting a second chance. And/or one of the coaches who only gets interviews because of the Rooney rule. For example Raheem Morris. Fits the bill perfectly. Respected guy with experience, gets interviewed a lot. Or Leslie Frazier

Interesting how Marvin Lewis' name never seems to come up in these sorts of discussions

[KoryMac5]

True, but he wasn't the one who traded for their biggest problem. GM should've been fired first, and then Hacket.

The issue was they hired Hacket thinking Rodgers was coming to Denver. Rodgers and Hacket were in lock step…when they didn’t get Rodgers they tried to fit Russ into that system and it didn’t work.

Marriage made to fail from the onset not sure how the GM escaped…

I would watch for Brian Callahan he has ties to Denver…

[UKFlounder]

Tua is back on the concussion protocol

[plantmanky]

He totally lost the locker room...guys arguing on the sideline...he had no control.

Should have happened 4-5 games ago

Trading your future for a hack QB that never was and never will be lost the locker room, he wasnt apart of that.

[KoryMac5]

Trading your future for a hack QB that never was and never will be lost the locker room, he wasnt apart of that.

Hackett was Nero standing on the sideline watching things burn...every single sideline argument this season he pretended to not notice or care...he was in over his head. Much easier to replace him than the QB you gave all the $$$ and his own office within the facility.

[Todd Gack]

The issue was they hired Hacket thinking Rodgers was coming to Denver. Rodgers and Hacket were in lock step…when they didn’t get Rodgers they tried to fit Russ into that system and it didn’t work.

Marriage made to fail from the onset not sure how the GM escaped…

I would watch for Brian Callahan he has ties to Denver…

Yes, I know. WHich makes the decision to not fire the GM even more awesome.

[KoryMac5]

Yes, I know. WHich makes the decision to not fire the GM even more awesome.

Agreed something makes me think it was ownership's call to go out and get Russ...which could be why the GM was safe for now.

[The Operator]

Anybody see that hit that Derwin James laid on the Colts receiver and got immediately ejected?


That was SCARY and one of the worst I’ve seen in quite some time. Wow.

[Rojo Rijo]

Anybody see that hit that Derwin James laid on the Colts receiver and got immediately ejected?


That was SCARY and one of the worst I’ve seen in quite some time. Wow.

Yep, looks like James might’ve given himself a concussion.

[The Operator]

Yep, looks like James might’ve given himself a concussion.

Yea, he looked woozy as hell trying to get up. He’s lucky he didn’t break his own neck.

[RiverRat13]

Chargers are in. They have two games they should win left and barring a collapse will end up as the 5 seed. A Herbert vs Lawrence first round matchup could be fun.

[Slyder]

Why fire Hackett with two games to go? I don't get that

Get a jump on internal interviews and who to interview when the playoff teams have byes. Raiders desperately NEED to do the same thing. McDaniels needs to go back to Bellicheat... like Since Sepetember.

[WrongVerb]

Dolphins collapse continues?

Dolphins QB Tua Tagovailoa in concussion protocol for second time this season (https://www.nbcnews.com/news/sports/dolphins-qb-tua-tagovailoa-concussion-protocol-second-time-season-rcna63305)


Dolphins quarterback Tua Tagovailoa has returned to the NFL’s concussion protocol, Miami coach Mike McDaniel said Monday.

Tagovailoa was experiencing symptoms when he met with team doctors Monday, though McDaniel said it is unclear if Tagovailoa was concussed in Sunday’s 26-20 loss to Green Bay.

Tagovailoa appeared to bang his head on the ground when he was tackled in the second quarter against the Packers, but he never left the game and was not evaluated for a concussion.

[WVRed]

Chargers are in. They have two games they should win left and barring a collapse will end up as the 5 seed. A Herbert vs Lawrence first round matchup could be fun.

The loser of the AFC North will probably be the 5 seed.

Chargers are more likely to face the Bengals or Ravens.

[Sea Ray]

The issue was they hired Hacket thinking Rodgers was coming to Denver. Rodgers and Hacket were in lock step…when they didn’t get Rodgers they tried to fit Russ into that system and it didn’t work.

Marriage made to fail from the onset not sure how the GM escaped…

I would watch for Brian Callahan he has ties to Denver…

If Hackett's system only works for Rodgers then it isn't much of a system

[KoryMac5]

If Hackett's system only works for Rodgers then it isn't much of a system

I never said it only worked for Rodgers...shotgun systems work fine for Brady, Burrow, Rodgers, Mahomes, Brees etc...

Unfortunately they don't work for a guy like Russ who is better at a run heavy deep pass offense.

Rumor has it the Broncos are favoring Quinn and him bringing in Schottenheimer to install the O.

Not sure if that would fix it as half the team hates Russ...

[Sea Ray]

I never said it only worked for Rodgers...shotgun systems work fine for Brady, Burrow, Rodgers, Mahomes, Brees etc...

Unfortunately they don't work for a guy like Russ who is better at a run heavy deep pass offense.

Rumor has it the Broncos are favoring Quinn and him bringing in Schottenheimer to install the O.

Not sure if that would fix it as half the team hates Russ...

OK, I'll put it another way. If a coach can't run a system and win with a superstar like Russell Wilson then you're not much of a coach. Now if Russell Wilson is an overrated prima donna then it's fair to say Russ got a coach fired. It'll be interesting to see how this goes

[Slyder]

Did anyone see that hit James laid on the Colt WR? Dude's lucky he didn't Shazier himself with that hit.

[RiverRat13]

The loser of the AFC North will probably be the 5 seed.

Chargers are more likely to face the Bengals or Ravens.

If the Bengals beat the Bills but lose to Baltimore, they would be the 5 seed.

If the Bengals win the division, the Chargers would have to lose again for Baltimore to be the 5 seed.

If the Bengals lose out and the Chargers win out, the Chargers are the 5 seed and the Bengals would be the 6 seed.

[WVRed]

JJ Watt is retiring.

[RiverRat13]

The AFC North went 14-2 against the NFC South this year, with Cleveland taking the only two losses.

Similarly, the NFC East is 12-2 agains the AFC South this year with two games left this week (Titans/Cowboys, Colts/Giants).

[KoryMac5]

OK, I'll put it another way. If a coach can't run a system and win with a superstar like Russell Wilson then you're not much of a coach. Now if Russell Wilson is an overrated prima donna then it's fair to say Russ got a coach fired. It'll be interesting to see how this goes

Russ at one time was a good player but the last 2 years he's been below average...

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JJ Watt is retiring.

Maybe he can take his brother with him...

[Sea Ray]

JJ Watt is retiring.

Blast from the past:

19080

[Kingspoint]

Makes sense now why the Broncos suck so much. Condasleeza Rice is part Owner. Ownership just came up with this brilliant idea yesterday that the next Head Coach will report directly to Ownership and not to the G.M. WOW! The Broncos franchise is going to suck for a very, very, very long time. Walton doesn't have enough money to fix megalomania and narcisism among Ownership.

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If the Bengals beat the Bills but lose to Baltimore, they would be the 5 seed.

If the Bengals win the division, the Chargers would have to lose again for Baltimore to be the 5 seed.

If the Bengals lose out and the Chargers win out, the Chargers are the 5 seed and the Bengals would be the 6 seed.

Beat the Bills.

[Kingspoint]

Dolphins collapse continues?

Dolphins QB Tua Tagovailoa in concussion protocol for second time this season (https://www.nbcnews.com/news/sports/dolphins-qb-tua-tagovailoa-concussion-protocol-second-time-season-rcna63305)

I don't know. I think I could throw to Hill and Waddles and hand it off to that running group.

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Why fire Hackett with two games to go? I don't get that

Two words: Condasleeza Rice

[Kingspoint]

Tua has 7 completions for 219 (!!!) yards so far against the Packers.


Don’t see that statistical oddity very often.

Burrow will do better than that, if he hasn't already, some day. If he had Terron Armstead at LT, he already would have done it, for sure. Armstead has only given up 1 sack this season. The Right Tackle, Brandon Shell, has only given up 2. Jonah Williams has given up 11, while La'el Collins has given up 5 (not to mention the 8 penalties that nullify good plays while also killing drives). Adeniji at least hasn't given up any, but only having played about 15-23% of the total snaps that the other four mentioned have played. Think about how quickly Burrow has gotten rid of the ball since Week 3. If he didn't there would be three times as many sacks.

[GAC]

Dolphins collapse continues?

Dolphins QB Tua Tagovailoa in concussion protocol for second time this season (https://www.nbcnews.com/news/sports/dolphins-qb-tua-tagovailoa-concussion-protocol-second-time-season-rcna63305)

Take a look around the NFL right now, at a very critical juncture of the season, and look at the number of extremely talented run-option QBs who are out, questionable, or trying to play through injured.... Tua (Dolphins), Hurst (Eagles), Fields (Bears), Jackson (Ravens), Winston (Saints).

The most important position (player) on the playing field, and they're getting the crap beat out of them. They go down, and your team's chances pretty much went out the window. This is the second year in a row where Raven's QB Jackson is unavailable at a time he is really needed. Though he's not having the best of seasons (IMO).

[Sea Ray]

Makes sense now why the Broncos suck so much. Condasleeza Rice is part Owner. Ownership just came up with this brilliant idea yesterday that the next Head Coach will report directly to Ownership and not to the G.M. WOW! The Broncos franchise is going to suck for a very, very, very long time. Walton doesn't have enough money to fix megalomania and narcisism among Ownership.


Bronco fans now see how spoiled they've been with good ownership. Us Bengal fans feel their pain. We know what bad ownership is all about

[Kingspoint]

Take a look around the NFL right now, at a very critical juncture of the season, and look at the number of extremely talented run-option QBs who are out, questionable, or trying to play through injured.... Tua (Dolphins), Hurst (Eagles), Fields (Bears), Jackson (Ravens), Winston (Saints).

The most important position (player) on the playing field, and they're getting the crap beat out of them. They go down, and your team's chances pretty much went out the window. This is the second year in a row where Raven's QB Jackson is unavailable at a time he is really needed. Though he's not having the best of seasons (IMO).

And for the greedy owners' 17-soon-to-be-18 game season, 4 pre-season games, and if they make the playoffs, a possible four more games, for a total of 26 possible games. No human body, no matter how gifted it may be, was ever meant to hold up to that type of punishment. Even professional armies used to always quit for six months during the colder season.

There's definitely a lot of truth to the Master-Slave storyline that has been described by many players. Run them into the ground until they drop, who cares if they die (head injuries that they tried to hide for 20 years), and there's always a new ship of slaves arriving from the NCAA every season, who were taught well by the Universities how to behave like a slave and make money for the Owners while getting nothing in return comparatively.

[GAC]

And for the greedy owners' 17-soon-to-be-18 game season, 4 pre-season games, and if they make the playoffs, a possible four more games, for a total of 26 possible games. No human body, no matter how gifted it may be, was ever meant to hold up to that type of punishment. Even professional armies used to always quit for six months during the colder season.

Absolutely.


There's definitely a lot of truth to the Master-Slave storyline that has been described by many players. Run them into the ground until they drop, who cares if they die (head injuries that they tried to hide for 20 years), and there's always a new ship of slaves arriving from the NCAA every season, who were taught well by the Universities how to behave like a slave and make money for the Owners while getting nothing in return comparatively.

I disagree with the owner-slave analogy. While the owners/stock holders are certainly raking in the $$$$, slaves don't get paid millions of dollars, including endorsements, while having union representation.

It's a violent sport involving high risk for injury and physical abuse of the body. They all knew that going in that these were the "job requirements", and made the career decision voluntarily. They could have walked away after graduating from college and receiving a degree (in many cases), and would still come out ahead compared to where they started from.

I don't have any sympathy for any of them (owners or players).

[Slyder]

#selltheteamMark #Alwouldnttoleratethis

[Sea Ray]

And for the greedy owners' 17-soon-to-be-18 game season, 4 pre-season games, and if they make the playoffs, a possible four more games, for a total of 26 possible games. No human body, no matter how gifted it may be, was ever meant to hold up to that type of punishment. Even professional armies used to always quit for six months during the colder season.

There's definitely a lot of truth to the Master-Slave storyline that has been described by many players. Run them into the ground until they drop, who cares if they die (head injuries that they tried to hide for 20 years), and there's always a new ship of slaves arriving from the NCAA every season, who were taught well by the Universities how to behave like a slave and make money for the Owners while getting nothing in return comparatively.

Your point is well taken but just wanna add, there's only 3 preseason games now and my guess is they'll drop it to two when they go to 18 games. Of course starters will not play much in those two preseason games. Having said that, it's a horrible grind for a roster of 53. That is ridiculously low. I'd like to see that raised to 60 and maybe even 70. NFL can afford it

[The Operator]

Your point is well taken but just wanna add, there's only 3 preseason games now and my guess is they'll drop it to two when they go to 18 games. Of course starters will not play much in those two preseason games. Having said that, it's a horrible grind for a roster of 53. That is ridiculously low. I'd like to see that raised to 60 and maybe even 70. NFL can afford it

That tells me that we’ll continue seeing some pretty brutally bad early season games. The Bengals looked awful in week 1 & 2, thanks in large part to Burrow being out the entire preseason and, I believe, the line not really playing much either.

I’m sure the owners don’t care because regular season games sell better, but the quality of football will definitely be lower. Just my intuition on that one.

[Hillsdale87]

Bronco fans now see how spoiled they've been with good ownership. Us Bengal fans feel their pain. We know what bad ownership is all about

The Broncos have had new owners for half of a season. They had nothing to do with bringing in Hackett. I'd say it's a little early to judge how they are as owners. And the idea that Condoleeza Rice is a key player pulling the strings behind the scenes is laughable.


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[The Operator]

The Broncos have had new owners for half of a season. They had nothing to do with bringing in Hackett. I'd say it's a little early to judge how they are as owners. And the idea that Condoleeza Rice is a key player pulling the strings behind the scenes is laughable.


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I did hear they were considering renaming the stadium “Rumsfeld Field at Mile High”, for whatever it’s worth. :D

[Sea Ray]

The Broncos have had new owners for half of a season. They had nothing to do with bringing in Hackett. I'd say it's a little early to judge how they are as owners. And the idea that Condoleeza Rice is a key player pulling the strings behind the scenes is laughable.


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Ownership has been in flux for a long time now. Pat Bowlen was " not there" mentally for quite awhile. It's all taken its toll

[The Operator]

So why exactly is Carson Wentz starting at QB over Heincke today?


The Commanders are stupid.

[Tony Cloninger]

I would love an 18 game schedule with 2 PS games. Provided…… rosters are 90 man from mini camp through last cut down day. Then you keep 65 suites up all game and ready. 8 on the PS.

Also enough with inter conference games. That’s right. You play 2 games in your division still but the other 12 games are played within the same conference. You alternate home and away from year to year. The only thing you can complain is that it sucks that you don’t get this team at home this year. But no matter what you play the same teams. You don’t get to complain about playing the tougher division of the other conference.

You eliminate Thursday games except for Thanksgiving. Play them on Friday if you have to.

I read where you can’t do Friday because it cuts into Friday night high schools football? Come on.
People have phones and iPads they can watch the games while going to Friday night HS football.
This isn’t something that’s going to hurt HS football. If there is that much outrage then end Thursday night games.

No Pro Bowl activity whatsoever. Just let fans pick a PB team and another picked by the players and coaches.
You announce those like the writes All Pro list. No more dumb flag football or whatever.

If I had the power that’s what I would do.

Only Jeff Bezos and Tesla owner combined to give the NFL money though have the power to demand those changes.

[The Operator]

The Dolphins can’t catch a break.


Down to their #3 QB while trying to snap a losing streak and hang onto a playoff spot for dear life.

[Boston Red]

This Brady guy doesn't suck.

[Tony Cloninger]

The freaking Steelers still have a chance to make the playoffs. Unreal.

[KoryMac5]

Stidham is making the 49ers vaunted Defense look ordinary...

[goreds2]

The freaking Steelers still have a chance to make the playoffs. Unreal.

I am fairly sure this is the scenario:

Steelers of course need to win their final two games.

Dolphins need to lose next week vs Jets.

New England needs to lose at Buffalo next week.

[RiverRat13]

Very confused as to what Cam Heyward did to deserve that personal foul.

[The Operator]

Very confused as to what Cam Heyward did to deserve that personal foul.

He’s definitely upset about something. Are The Ravens getting away with something?

[RiverRat13]

He’s definitely upset about something. Are The Ravens getting away with something?

I didn’t see where either team did anything egregious.

[SteelSD]

I didn’t see where either team did anything egregious.

Heyward was pulled down by a Ravens player while he was attempting to get up. As he was getting up from that, it looked like he accidentally made contact with an official with his left hand. The correct call would have been to penalize Baltimore for unsportmanlike conduct. In the end, it may or may not matter; the latter if the Steelers continue to put together 15 play drives to do nothing but attempt field goals.

[goreds2]

I am fairly sure this is the scenario:

Steelers of course need to win their final two games.

Dolphins need to lose next week vs Jets.

New England needs to lose at Buffalo next week.

Steelers win and stay alive. Since starting 2-6, they have been 6-2 since then.

Additionally, the Bengals win the division with a win tomorrow night.

[The Operator]

The NFL is literally salivating at the Brady/Rodgers resurgence and the thought of a young Steeler QB leading an improbable playoff push.


Barf. Lol

[goreds2]

NFL announces Saturday games:
3:30 -- Chiefs-Raiders
7:15 -- Titans-Jags

Sunday's schedule to be announced tomorrow.

* Those times above are central times *

[Stray]

I hate them, but Tomlin moonwalking bad teams to winning records is impressive man. Of course they'll win next week because Steelers and they never do losing seasons.

[BuckeyeRed27]

* Those times above are central times *

Interesting. Thought titans jags was gonna be the Sunday night game.

So that’s probably packers lions I guess?

[SteelSD]

Steelers win and stay alive. Since starting 2-6, they have been 6-2 since then.

Additionally, the Bengals win the division with a win tomorrow night.

Argh. Nevermind. My count was off.

[WVRed]

Interesting. Thought titans jags was gonna be the Sunday night game.

So that’s probably packers lions I guess?

Or Bengals-Ravens

[Boss-Hog]

Or Bengals-RavensMy guess is that's a possibility, but only if the Bengals lose tonight, which would make that game for the division title. If they don't wait until after MNF to announce next Sunday game times, I can't imagine that game would be in prime time without having the certainty of the stakes. Other possible SNF games I've seen speculation about are Packers/Lions, Bills/Patriots and Eagles/Giants (there'd be stakes to it if they're safe with the assumption at least one of Dallas or SF win earlier).

[goreds2]

Saturday, Jan. 7


Kansas City Chiefs vs. Las Vegas Raiders, 4:30 p.m ET, ABC, ESPN, ESPN+

Tennessee Titans vs. Jacksonville Jaguars, 8:15 p.m, ET, ABC, ESPN, ESPN+

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Sunday, Jan. 8

WATCH NFL GAMES WITH A FREE TRIAL SUBSCRIPTION TO FUBOTV HERE.

New York Jets vs. Miami Dolphins, 1 p.m. ET, FOX

New York Giants vs. Philadelphia Eagles, 4:25 p.m. ET, CBS

Tampa Bay Buccaneers vs. Atlanta Falcons, 1 p.m. ET, FOX

New England Patriots vs. Buffalo Bills, 1 p.m. ET, CBS

Minnesota Vikings vs. Chicago Bears, 1 p.m. ET, FOX

Baltimore Ravens vs. Cincinnati Bengals, 1 p.m. ET, CBS

Houston Texans vs. Indianapolis Colts, 1 p.m. ET, CBS

Carolina Panthers vs. New Orleans Saints, 1 p.m. ET, FOX

Cleveland Browns vs. Pittsburgh Steelers, 1 p.m. ET, CBS

Arizona Cardinals vs. San Francisco 49ers, 4:25 p.m ET, FOX

Los Angeles Rams vs. Seattle Seahawks, 4:25 p.m ET, FOX

Dallas Cowboys vs. Washington Commanders, 4:25 p.m ET, FOX

Los Angeles Chargers vs. Denver Broncos, 4:25 p.m. ET, CBS

Detroit Lions vs. Green Bay Packers, 8:20 p.m. ET, NBC

https://www.nj.com/sports/2023/01/nfl-week-18-schedule-time-tv-channel-live-stream-whos-playing-saturday-whos-playing-sunday.html

[Boston Red]

Presumably the NFL will announce something today regarding the Bengals and Bills. I expect outright cancellation with those teams just having 16 games (which would be a windfall for the Chiefs but kind of unavoidable given the circumstances). Timing is such that decisions really need to be made today, as difficult as that is.

[WrongVerb]

Presumably the NFL will announce something today regarding the Bengals and Bills. I expect outright cancellation with those teams just having 16 games (which would be a windfall for the Chiefs but kind of unavoidable given the circumstances). Timing is such that decisions really need to be made today, as difficult as that is.

I could see them trying to finish the game tomorrow, and then moving the Bengals-Ravens and Bills-Patriots to Monday or Tuesday night next week.

[Boston Red]

I could see them trying to finish the game tomorrow, and then moving the Bengals-Ravens and Bills-Patriots to Monday or Tuesday night next week.

I just can't see the Bills playing a game prior to the weekend.

[WrongVerb]

I just can't see the Bills playing a game prior to the weekend.

Possible. But if it appears that Hamlin is going to pull through, and that what happened to him was a 1 in 1,000,000 type of thing, that might ease the feelings going on right now. But yeah, if there's no resolution today (like Hamlin waking up and being OK) then I agree they won't play until next weekend. How they solve this will be interesting and controversial for sure.

[Roy Tucker]

I just can't see the Bills playing a game prior to the weekend.

I agree. It will be tough enough for them to play this coming weekend.

Sometimes real life intrudes into pro sports. Given the circumstance that a young’s man life is in the balance, the Bills and Bengals will uncomplainingly go along with cancelling the game and the effect on the standings. Goodell will hopefully act in an appropriate way.

Saw a tweet that the Bengals lit up Paycor Stadium in Bills blue and white last night. A nice gesture.

[Redsfan6272]

a football game is the last thing on both teams minds till they see how Hamlin pulls thru..

[Boston Red]

How they solve this will be interesting and controversial for sure.

People are absolutely going to be upset no matter what they do.

[WrongVerb]

I agree. It will be tough enough for them to play this coming weekend.

Sometimes real life intrudes into pro sports. Given the circumstance that a young’s man life is in the balance, the Bills and Bengals will uncomplainingly go along with cancelling the game and the effect on the standings. Goodell will hopefully act in an appropriate way.

Saw a tweet that the Bengals lit up Paycor Stadium in Bills blue and white last night. A nice gesture.

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[KoryMac5]

According to Vic Carucci, the commish will make the call on Bengals/Bills if rescheduled for this week it would have to be replayed in 2 days...the other option is to extend the season by a week and have it played then...so week 19.

Fluid situation...no updates on Damar Hamlin currently.

[Sea Ray]

According to Vic Carucci, the commish will make the call on Bengals/Bills if rescheduled for this week it would have to be replayed in 2 days...the other option is to extend the season by a week and have it played then...so week 19.

Fluid situation...no updates on Damar Hamlin currently.

Am I to infer from that that cancelling the game is not an option?

[Roy Tucker]

The only open weekend before the Super Bowl is the open weekend before the Super Bowl. The wild card games start up the weekend following the end of the season.

I don’t envy Goodell making this decision.

[Boston Red]

They would have to be very sure that they got voluntary agreement from all the Bills to play tomorrow. Otherwise, I don't see how they can do anything other than cancel the game. You're disrupting a lot of things if you move the playoffs back a week.

[KoryMac5]

Am I to infer from that that cancelling the game is not an option?

Not sure if cancelling is on the table it's a delicate situation...like Roy said I don't envy the commish on this.

Personally I would wait for updates on Damar Hamlin, play this weeks games, than figure out Bills Bengals....

[Playadlc]

I’d be really surprised if they cancelled the game. I bet it’ll get played Wednesday.

[Roy Tucker]

The very cynical part of me thinks Vegas has a say in this matter.

Both Buffalo and the Bengals are scheduled to play this Sunday 1/8. I can’t see the teams playing today and then you’re talking about playing on a Wednesday and then 4 days later again? There is no no-brainer solution to this besides cancelling the game IMO.

I’m a little surprised the NFL doesn’t have contingency plans for this. In my recent job, we’d do tabletop exercises for every disaster event we could think of and what IT and the business would do. Stuff happens (and we did have it happen) and you better have a good idea what you’ll do when it does.

[Boston Red]

I can’t see the teams playing today and then you’re talking about playing on a Wednesday and then 4 days later again?

Why not? Teams play Sunday and then Thursday every week in the season.

[Reds Freak]

I’d be really surprised if they cancelled the game. I bet it’ll get played Wednesday.

Assuming Hamlin recovers of course, I think one of the only options is Bengals/Bills play Wednesday and then Bengals/Ravens and Bills/Pats Week 18 games get moved to Monday. But then still you're asking two of your elite, Super Bowl contending teams to play a bunch of games on short rest.

If I were the Bengals or Bills, I'd rather take the extra rest and decide playoff seeding on a coin flip or something arbitrary.