NCAA Football 2022 Part 2

[Kingspoint]

Great game going on fellow PAC-10ers…UW-OU tied at 34. Bo Nix got lit up on a hit his last drive but OU is about to get the kickoff.

As I said several times, it was highly unlikely that Oregon was going to run the table on a very tough 2nd Half schedule. They could easily lose again.

USC lost their star Runningback in that game you watched Friday (and that's how you take care of 1-win teams....you don't makes excuses about the weather...you just run it for 300 yards and 6 TD's if the weather is bad). I'm guessing that Utah and USC play in the Pac-12 Championship game and that Utah wins that one. But, no Pac-12 team in the playoffs this season. It really needs to be 12 teams, and at least get it to 8 teams. At 12, the top-four seeds could get a 1-week Bye. That's 11 sites for "Bowl-Championship Games", so sponsors and the NCAA pocketbook should be happy, while the playoffs are over in the normal four weeks (the length of time it takes for Bowl Games to play out now).

Oregon had no business losing at home, though (what was it, their first home loss in about 25 games), and to their most hated opponent, the Huskies. It's like Ohio State losing to Michigan at home. They got exposed today after playing very well for 8 weeks.

[RedTeamGo!]

I’ve never seen a team get dragged so badly by fans and ESPN for only beating a team by 14 on the road in horrible weather conditions. Truly shows how much everyone absolutely hates Ohio state.

[Hillsdale87]

Ewers showed up to the elite 11 2 years ago and all the OSU recruiting honks were expecting him to show out. During and after the elite 11 you could hear it in their voices how disappointing he was at the showcase. That was when I became skeptical.

He's still very young, but he's got a lot of work to do. It's clear that he was going to have no shot to beat out Stroud. His receivers did him no favors last night, but he was bad too. I still expect him to be very good, but it'll be interesting to watch the Ewers-Manning battle next spring


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[Reds Freak]

A pretty fun day of college football. I’m removing five teams from my CFP contender list from last week as teams are starting to be eliminated from their conference championship game and time is running out for chaos to ensue for a few of those two loss teams.

I also moved UNC up from giant long shot to the list of one-loss teams with a realistic path. I don’t think their defense is anywhere close to being good enough and most of their wins have been nailbiters but here they are among the last nine standing.

Unbeatens:
1. Georgia (10-0), next @ UK
2. Ohio State (10-0), next @ Maryland
3. Michigan (10-0), next vs. Illinois
4. TCU (10-0), next @ Baylor

One-loss teams with a realistic path:
1. Tennessee (9-1), next @ South Carolina
2. Clemson (9-1), next vs. Miami
3. USC (9-1), next @ UCLA
4. North Carolina (9-1), next vs. Georgia Tech

Two-loss team that probably ought not to be completely ruled out yet:
1. LSU (8-2), next vs. UAB

Removed: Alabama (8-2); Ole Miss (8-2); UCLA (8-2); Oregon (8-2); Utah (8-2)

[KoryMac5]

Baker Mayfield was actually good in college, though.

Mel Kiper has Levis as QB1. It’s a joke.

Yep Levi’s is still the same guy who couldn’t beat out Clifford at PSU…

[RedTeamGo!]

I think it’s shaping up for both Michigan and OSU to make it.

Georgia
Winner of UM/OSU
TCU/Tenn
Loser of UM/OSU

Now, if The Game is a blowout in either direction, the loser will be eliminated. However, let’s say UM loses by a touchdown at The Shoe, I think they get in. The only thing that needs to happen for this scenario to go down is one of TCU and Tenn would have to lose a game. I think that’s likely. Most likely TCU. I don’t think a 1 loss USC makes it over a 1 loss UM or OSU.

[BuckeyeRed27]

I think it’s shaping up for both Michigan and OSU to make it.

Georgia
Winner of UM/OSU
TCU/Tenn
Loser of UM/OSU

Now, if The Game is a blowout in either direction, the loser will be eliminated. However, let’s say UM loses by a touchdown at The Shoe, I think they get in. The only thing that needs to happen for this scenario to go down is one of TCU and Tenn would have to lose a game. I think that’s likely. Most likely TCU. I don’t think a 1 loss USC makes it over a 1 loss UM or OSU.

USC would make it over a 1 loss Michigan because of Michigans schedule.

Im not sure usc can win out without their running back though, he was a big piece.

[Assembly Hall]

I think it’s shaping up for both Michigan and OSU to make it.

Georgia
Winner of UM/OSU
TCU/Tenn
Loser of UM/OSU

Now, if The Game is a blowout in either direction, the loser will be eliminated. However, let’s say UM loses by a touchdown at The Shoe, I think they get in. The only thing that needs to happen for this scenario to go down is one of TCU and Tenn would have to lose a game. I think that’s likely. Most likely TCU. I don’t think a 1 loss USC makes it over a 1 loss UM or OSU.

Penn St. to the Rose Bowl?

[adkindo]

Will Levis is awful. How is he considered an NFL prospect?

Been telling people for the last two seasons....the most overrated college QB in years. People see the size and strong arm and think he will magically blossom into a NFL QB.....he will get a NFL GM fired for taking him in the Top 40 picks. At best, he is a solid game manager at the college level.....he has never shown the ability to carry a team for four quarters to a win against a mediocre or better defense. He is not and never will be the next Josh Allen as some have suggested.

That said....there is a bad bad man on that roster that carries the rock that I would love to have on my NFL team. I am a Chris Rodriguez fan....love the strength in those legs and they way he never quits driving them when carrying the ball.

[adkindo]

Oklahoma is not good.....but I was very happy to say we finally beat them in the Big12. WVU has beat them several times in history, but never as a member of the Big12 until yesterday.

[adkindo]

Stewart Mandel, certainly a respectable CFB writer, just said that was a blatant fake injury by the Ducks receiver on one of the final plays of the game…earning OU some extra time to put a play together.

I felt bad for calling them the Jackasses but that takes some of the sting off.

But seriously, going for that 4th and 1 is one of the most boneheaded coaching calls I’ve seen in years.

not a fan of Mandel....actually he repulses me in many ways.....still, that play is a perfect example of how something has to be done about faking injuries for advantage, especially in the final minutes/seconds. The clock would have stopped at 6 seconds because it was a first down, but they would have had to spike it leaving them with maybe 4 seconds left in the game? The injury allowed them to set up a play and get off a play that would have allowed them to have a very makeable FG to tie the game with :01 left on the clock if not for the play being overturned because receiver went out of bounds. Oregon should have never had those extra seconds because the receiver was clearly faking a cramp to allow the offense time to get a play in to run without being rushed.

[kaldaniels]

not a fan of Mandel....actually he repulses me in many ways.....still, that play is a perfect example of how something has to be done about faking injuries for advantage, especially in the final minutes/seconds. The clock would have stopped at 6 seconds because it was a first down, but they would have had to spike it leaving them with maybe 4 seconds left in the game? The injury allowed them to set up a play and get off a play that would have allowed them to have a very makeable FG to tie the game with :01 left on the clock if not for the play being overturned because receiver went out of bounds. Oregon should have never had those extra seconds because the receiver was clearly faking a cramp to allow the offense time to get a play in to run without being rushed.

I’d be in favor of a runoff of a negotiated amount for any injury in the last few minutes for the offense. That’s the only really fair way. It sucks for legitimate injuries but it would end any speculation and execution of phantom injuries. Seems like a simple idea. A injury should never help a team running a 2-minute drill.

[adkindo]

I think it’s shaping up for both Michigan and OSU to make it.

Georgia
Winner of UM/OSU
TCU/Tenn
Loser of UM/OSU

Now, if The Game is a blowout in either direction, the loser will be eliminated. However, let’s say UM loses by a touchdown at The Shoe, I think they get in. The only thing that needs to happen for this scenario to go down is one of TCU and Tenn would have to lose a game. I think that’s likely. Most likely TCU. I don’t think a 1 loss USC makes it over a 1 loss UM or OSU.

It is possible, but I think shaping up may be a little strong. I think the best odds for them to both get in is if Michigan beats Ohio State. There are a lot of doubts about Michigan out there and a loss will hurt them more than it would Ohio State who everyone believes is a Top 4 team. It is hard to bet against TCU at this point in the Big 12......but god help them if they have to play Georgia.

I expect Georgia and Tennessee to get in as long as Georgia wins the SEC. If not, that could cost Tennessee by putting Georgia and LSU in assuming LSU wins the SEC. Ohio State is a near lock. TCU is a lock if they win out....which they just might. Michigan has a chance with a loss to Ohio State, but I still think it currently is less than 33%.....but I think Ohio State has over a 75% chance with a loss to Michigan.

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I’d be in favor of a runoff of a negotiated amount for any injury in the last few minutes for the offense. That’s the only really fair way. It sucks for legitimate injuries but it would end any speculation and execution of phantom injuries. Seems like a simple idea. A injury should never help a team running a 2-minute drill.

I agree....the NCAA is just paralyzed by the liability of the one time in a 100 where a player is really injured and tries to play through it....especially a head injury.

[adkindo]

Never been a big Gus Malzahn fan...but he has did a heck of a job with an imperfect and injured UCF roster this season. This UCF team is not really close to the McKenzie Milton teams from a few years ago in regards to front line talent, but he has did an excellent job hiding weaknesses and just allowing them to play to their strengths.

[Boston Red]

Purdue has to be the big favorite to win the awful Big Ten West. Just beat Northwestern and Indiana and hope Iowa loses to Minnesota. Iowa would be a tragic West champion. What an awful championship game that would be.

[Assembly Hall]

Purdue has to be the big favorite to win the awful Big Ten West. Just beat Northwestern and Indiana and hope Iowa loses to Minnesota. Iowa would be a tragic West champion. What an awful championship game that would be.

Didn't Iowa beat the Boilers? Amazing that the Hawkeyes are in this position.

[Boston Red]

Didn't Iowa beat the Boilers? Amazing that the Hawkeyes are in this position.

That's why Purdue needs Iowa to lose to Minnesota. Seems likely.

[WVRed]

Been telling people for the last two seasons....the most overrated college QB in years. People see the size and strong arm and think he will magically blossom into a NFL QB.....he will get a NFL GM fired for taking him in the Top 40 picks. At best, he is a solid game manager at the college level.....he has never shown the ability to carry a team for four quarters to a win against a mediocre or better defense. He is not and never will be the next Josh Allen as some have suggested.

That said....there is a bad bad man on that roster that carries the rock that I would love to have on my NFL team. I am a Chris Rodriguez fan....love the strength in those legs and they way he never quits driving them when carrying the ball.

Chris Rodriguez is Benny Snell 2.0. Love how he runs but his game is better suited for college. Snell is fighting for carries on the Steelers still.

Part of me thinks that once Levis takes part in the combine he will start to fall down draft boards. Some of the issues at Kentucky right now are beyond him to the point I see a post-Holgorsen WVU type of collapse this offseason. I’m really expecting it.

[adkindo]

Chris Rodriguez is Benny Snell 2.0. Love how he runs but his game is better suited for college. Snell is fighting for carries on the Steelers still.

Part of me thinks that once Levis takes part in the combine he will start to fall down draft boards. Some of the issues at Kentucky right now are beyond him to the point I see a post-Holgorsen WVU type of collapse this offseason. I’m really expecting it.

I do not know the program to the level to know what talent is there waiting to play, but I thought UK had solid recruiting overall in recent years? WVU collapsed because Dana never liked recruiting in a traditional sense, and left the roster fairly bare. On top of that, the major change in culture brought in by Neal Brown led much of the talent remaining to exit. If Stoops is still there, I could see a bad year, but not sure why there would be a trending decline as long as recruiting remains solid. Also, UK should always have potential in the portal being a SEC team.

Hey, if you guys lose out, and WVU wins out....maybe there can be a little Hatfields and McCoy at the Texas Bowl (WVU is not winning out). Btw, it is crazy WVU and UK have not played since 1983.

[WVRed]

I do not know the program to the level to know what talent is there waiting to play, but I thought UK had solid recruiting overall in recent years? WVU collapsed because Dana never liked recruiting in a traditional sense, and left the roster fairly bare. On top of that, the major change in culture brought in by Neal Brown led much of the talent remaining to exit. If Stoops is still there, I could see a bad year, but not sure why there would be a trending decline as long as recruiting remains solid. Also, UK should always have potential in the portal being a SEC team.

Hey, if you guys lose out, and WVU wins out....maybe there can be a little Hatfields and McCoy at the Texas Bowl (WVU is not winning out). Btw, it is crazy WVU and UK have not played since 1983.

They did but the same problem affecting WVU is starting to affect UK, lack of money to compete in NIL.

When Cal went to the press and called Kentucky a basketball school, Stoops was well within his rights to respond the way he did and at the time a lot of fans supported it.

The problem was this past week Stoops went on the offensive and had media help calling out his boss over starting a collective for NIL funds, something Barnhart has been hesitant to do. Here’s an article summing it up:

https://www.si.com/college/kentucky/recruiting/mitch-barnhart-john-calipari-weigh-nil

So basically Stoops called out his boss and then took a steaming dump on the football field and gave Vanderbilt its first SEC win since 2019, a 26 game losing streak. Fans are just as upset over this loss as they were at Cal over St Peters. Losing to Vanderbilt is a low point especially for a team that was supposed to compete with Georgia in the SEC this year.

Kentucky has lost two RB commitments, one was visiting at WVU this weekend (Kaden Moorman). The other, Khalifa Keith, was visiting at Tennessee. Recruiting is fluid but losing two top RB recruits when RBs are a strength at Kentucky and one being a local recruit is concerning.

I doubt they put up any fight against Georgia and now Louisville who Kentucky has dominated of late looks like it could go the Cards way. Kentucky will probably play in the Music City bowl which coincides with the Kentucky-Louisville basketball game and Levis will probably sit it out.

With everything going on I honestly wouldn’t be surprised if Stoops hasn’t been shopping for another job. He’s taken Kentucky as far as he can take them, they are now asking for help in paying players which reading between the lines means a mass exodus is coming, and I think he is fed up with competing with the basketball team for resources.

Another thing to consider is the SEC East assuming it doesn’t change when Texas and Oklahoma join is getting better and tougher to compete in. Stoops has capitalized on Florida being down but Billy Napier will likely rebuild them from the ground up. Tennessee has already fast tracked. South Carolina and Vanderbilt both beat Kentucky and will likely only get better with new coaches. Georgia is obviously in another stratosphere so all that’s left is Missouri who’s head coach has been on the hot seat.

[Sea Ray]

It's far too early to say that the NIL is negatively affecting UK on the field. Levis was supposed to be an NFL talent. Why can UK basketball compete in the NIL world but not football? SEC is back to normal now with Georgia and Tennessee fighting it out at the top and Kentucky and Vanderbilt fighting it out at the bottom. So much for all the hype about Mark Stoops as a program changing coach

[RedTeamGo!]

I agree with SR, that just comes off as an excuse right now. It is way too early in NIL to know what kind of effect it is having on wins and losses. Michigan, for example, is known to be way behind on NIL money and they are 10-0. Texas A&M is the poster child for NIL money and are 3-7.

[Sea Ray]

Tennessee having a lot of trouble with Missou of all teams.

:laugh:

You're always quick to criticize Tenn and often times you get burned, just like here. My guess is that it all boils down to your opinion of Sea Ray. My suggestion is that you hold off on comments like this a bit longer in the future lest you look silly like you do here. :laugh:

[RedTeamGo!]

:laugh:

You're always quick to criticize Tenn and often times you get burned, just like here. My guess is that it all boils down to your opinion of Sea Ray. My suggestion is that you hold off on comments like this a bit longer in the future lest you look silly like you do here. :laugh:

Man, that is really weird you think it had to do with you.

I turned the game on and Missou was down by 4, I think it was 28-24, and was shocked so I posted a comment on here. I know it hasn't happened in a long time, but Tenn is relevant this year, so they are noteworthy at this point of the year.

[Sea Ray]

Man, that is really weird you think it had to do with you.

I turned the game on and Missou was down by 4, I think it was 28-24, and was shocked so I posted a comment on here. I know it hasn't happened in a long time, but Tenn is relevant this year, so they are noteworthy at this point of the year.

You have a history of being critical of UT. It goes back to at least 2015 when you criticized the Vols winning by 29 pts to Bowling Green because they gave up 30...:laugh:

In this instance, you really screwed up and I love it. Yeah, my Vols are absolutely relevant again...

[Boston Red]

It's weird that NIL is supposedly an issue for UK football, but Louisville is poised to have their best recruiting class ever precisely BECAUSE of NIL. I mean, still to be determined whether that works out for Louisville, but it just seems odd that NIL would have affect the two programs so differently.

[Sea Ray]

It's weird that NIL is supposedly an issue for UK football, but Louisville is poised to have their best recruiting class ever precisely BECAUSE of NIL. I mean, still to be determined whether that works out for Louisville, but it just seems odd that NIL would have affect the two programs so differently.

I'm not buying the NIL thing for UK football. That's just an excuse for a team that was overhyped this year

[RedTeamGo!]

It goes back to at least 2015 when you criticized the Vols winning by 29 pts to Bowling Green because they gave up 30

Literally do not remember this, you do you, man :laugh:

[kaldaniels]

https://media.tenor.com/c4YEuiMQfBAAAAAC/ryan-howard-bj-novak.gif

[Boston Red]

Not that it matters given the situation, but it seems likely that Virginia's football season is over. Awful story there.

[Chip R]

I’d be in favor of a runoff of a negotiated amount for any injury in the last few minutes for the offense. That’s the only really fair way. It sucks for legitimate injuries but it would end any speculation and execution of phantom injuries. Seems like a simple idea. A injury should never help a team running a 2-minute drill.

I think the NFL has that rule if a team doesn't have any timeouts. And phantom injuries seem more like a college thing than an NFL thing.

[Sea Ray]

Literally do not remember this, you do you, man :laugh:

Of course you don't 'cause it's normal behavior from you

[RedTeamGo!]

Of course you don't 'cause it's normal behavior from you

:laugh:

[RedTeamGo!]

This UVA story is awful

[Assembly Hall]

This UVA story is awful

Any word as to why the kids were shot?

[Boston Red]

Any word as to why the kids were shot?

I haven't seen anything yet, but since they caught the shooter alive one supposes we'll eventually get the story.

[Sea Ray]

I haven't seen anything yet, but since they caught the shooter alive one supposes we'll eventually get the story.

I would hope so but I have my doubts. We still don't know the motive of the Las Vegas shooter. Ditto Paul Pelosi

Do we even know why this kid was with the team?

[WVRed]

It's weird that NIL is supposedly an issue for UK football, but Louisville is poised to have their best recruiting class ever precisely BECAUSE of NIL. I mean, still to be determined whether that works out for Louisville, but it just seems odd that NIL would have affect the two programs so differently.

Because Louisville has an AD who has embraced NIL while Barnhart has just recently went the collective route.

Honestly the loss on Saturday has more to do with Rich Scangarello taking the offense backwards. I do think Stoops is gone after this season but if he isn’t then there needs to be a change on offense (again).

[WVRed]

Btw, adkindo will be happy that Shane Lyons was let go today by WVU. Surprisingly Neal Brown wasn’t let go with him.

[adkindo]

Btw, adkindo will be happy that Shane Lyons was let go today by WVU. Surprisingly Neal Brown wasn’t let go with him.

I think he has been let go....and part of the settlement was to allow him to finish the season. Just a gut feeling.

Totally unconfirmed rumor out there....and I mean just pure whispers with no credibility right now....is that a major donor group led by Ken Kendrick has agreed to fund the buyout of Brown with the stipulation they bring back RichRod. Lyons refused to go along with allowing the donors to select their guy or maybe just was against hiring RichRod. They have been fighting about it for a couple weeks and finally WVU decided to remove the obstacle being Shane Lyons, and have already been in negotiations with Kelli Zinn who was the longtime WVU Deputy AD/Chief Operating Officer who left for the same role at LSU this past summer to return as AD. Then she will terminate Brown and hire RichRod. (He does have a Jax State team rolling that stunk last season! :))

Then there is another rumor that does not involve any of that stuff except Kelli Zinn.....and basically the Athletic Department kind became a mess after she excited as she was the one responsible for most of the success Lyons was given credit for in recent years. Then a third rumor is Lyons is known as a compliance hawk....that is his background, and it has hurt WVU during the changing environment of college athletics where many of the rules have become grey at best. There are others like they will bring back Tony Gibson or the best is Jimbo is about to get terminated at TA&M and return home.....but the RichRod stuff is the most fun and probably the least likely.

Who knows, but something is off.....Lyons was the Collegiate AD of the Year in 2021, but he made a massive mistake giving Brown an extension based on some weak rumors about Brown being courted by South Carolina a couple years ago while Brown had a losing record at WVU.

[westofyou]

Rich Rodrigues is poison.

[Kingspoint]

I’ve never seen a team get dragged so badly by fans and ESPN for only beating a team by 14 on the road in horrible weather conditions. Truly shows how much everyone absolutely hates Ohio state.

Because it was a one-score game in the 4th Quarter of a one-win team. You keep trying to sugarcoat it, but they sucked in that game and should be docked heavily for it this late in the season.

[Slyder]

Rich Rodrigues is poison.

If he’s allowed to come back after throwing that Pitt game I’m out.

[Hillsdale87]

Because it was a one-score game in the 4th Quarter of a one-win team. You keep trying to sugarcoat it, but they sucked in that game and should be docked heavily for it this late in the season.

It was a bad game certainly and any criticism is fair IMO. But I'm not sure it's drastically different from Georgia's Kent State or Missouri games. Either way all that matters is that OSU beats Michigan in two weeks


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[RedTeamGo!]

Because it was a one-score game in the 4th Quarter of a one-win team. You keep trying to sugarcoat it, but they sucked in that game and should be docked heavily for it this late in the season.

Yes, the 10-0 team with a top 5 offense and defense should be docked heavily because they beat a conference opponent by 14 on the road in terrible weather conditions. Like I said, the hate is strong. Nobody is sugarcoating it, just pointing out the hate.

Guaranteed if this were Washington or Oregon you would write a 12 verse poem about that game.

[Sea Ray]

The truth is it's hard to judge Ohio State due to their crappy schedule. If they lose to Michigan (at home) then we'll know they rode a weak schedule to get our attention all year

[*BaseClogger*]

Ohio State's SoS is much closer to the SEC East teams than it is to Michigan. I'd go so far to say that the B1G East is stronger than the SEC East, and it's the cross-divisional matchups with the SEC West making all the difference when compared to the B1G West.

Sagarin's strength of schedule rankings for his top 10:

1 Georgia 34
2 Ohio State 46
3 Alabama 11
4 Tennessee 30
5 Michigan 71
6 Utah 31
7 Penn State 32
8 Oregon 40
9 TCU 23
10 LSU 4

[Sea Ray]

Ohio State's strength of schedule is enhanced by its scheduling of Notre Dame. Kudos to them for scheduling that. The rest of their schedule is crap except for Mich

[Boston Red]

The Big Ten East and SEC East both have 2.5 good teams (the Big Ten East's half a good team is better than the SEC East's). It's absurd how bad the Big Ten West is.

Funny that TCU is ranked last of the four undefeated teams but has faced the toughest schedule. (They're even ranked last of the four by Sagarin!)

[*BaseClogger*]

I hope Penn State can get matched up with Florida in a bowl game because I think they'll smear em.

edit: that's the 0.5 good team in the SEC East I assume?

[Boston Red]

It's some weird combination of Florida/Kentucky/South Carolina depending on the day.

[*BaseClogger*]

Those teams don't meaningfully differentiate themselves from Maryland or Michigan State IMO...

[Sea Ray]

The Big Ten East and SEC East both have 2.5 good teams (the Big Ten East's half a good team is better than the SEC East's). It's absurd how bad the Big Ten West is.

Funny that TCU is ranked last of the four undefeated teams but has faced the toughest schedule. (They're even ranked last of the four by Sagarin!)

I would agree that as of right now, top to bottom, the Big Ten East is better than the SEC East. But we still don't know how good Mi and OSU are. In 2006 OSU and MI were undefeated and the top 2 ranked teams in the country. They both preceded to get blown out in their Bowl games, showing that their undefeated records was a mirage and due to an easy Big Ten schedule

[Boston Red]

Those teams don't meaningfully differentiate themselves from Maryland or Michigan State IMO...

I don't know. None of them are very good, I'll give you that. And I probably count off against Penn State too much due to their debacle against Michigan. Everyone has a bad week.

[*BaseClogger*]

I would agree that as of right now, top to bottom, the Big Ten East is better than the SEC East. But we still don't know how good Mi and OSU are. In 2006 OSU and MI were undefeated and the top 2 ranked teams in the country. They both preceded to get blown out in their Bowl games, showing that their undefeated records was a mirage and due to an easy Big Ten schedule

I remember back in 1904 when the Grapefruit State Dandies were undefeated heading into their end-of-season matchup with the Rocky Mountain State Distillers. "Game of the Century" the pundits called it, even though the 20th century was only five years old at that point. After a grueling game, the outcome of the Jim Crow East Conference was decided in favor of the Dandies. Back in those days, only one team from the Jim Crow got to play in a Bowl game, so the Dandies matched up with the University of Chicago in the Atlantic City Bowl. It was in that bowl game that the Dandies--and the Distillers by mere association--were exposed as frauds, with U of C rolling to a 25-2 victory thanks to 7 successful drop kicks by their QB-RB-DL-LB Willard McKenzie...

[Hillsdale87]

The truth is it's hard to judge Ohio State due to their crappy schedule. If they lose to Michigan (at home) then we'll know they rode a weak schedule to get our attention all year

I honestly think it's hard to judge almost any team outside of the SEC because of weak schedules. I may be overrating the first game of the season, but it's hard for me to take the Pac-12 too seriously when Oregon loses 49-3. The Big 12 is fine, and TCU is a nice story, but I'm not overly impressed with anyone. Michigan and OSU are both clearly very good. I think they're better than any team not in the SEC, so both would be top 5 IMO. But agreed that it's hard to evaluate either team when they've both really only played one good team (although the ND game is looking better now).

[Boston Red]

I just wish Louisville hadn't blown the 25-7 lead at Rutgers and had the chance to play that Ohio State team for a national title.

[*BaseClogger*]

Toledo lowkey isn't bad either

[Rojo Rijo]

It's some weird combination of Florida/Kentucky/South Carolina depending on the day.

Well considering Florida just bulldozed South Carolina and Kentucky gave Vanderbilt their first SEC win in 2 years I think it's safe to say its Florida at the moment.

[Boston Red]

at the moment.

Talk again next week!

Looking back at season results, Florida has actually been pretty good other than getting whacked at home by Kentucky.

[RedTeamGo!]

Toledo lowkey isn't bad either

Rockets probably going to be MAC champs and have a QB that is going to likely transfer to a big P5 school this offseason.

People watched that Toledo @ OSU game and said "sure, its a MAC team" but it is not normal to beat the best the MAC has to offer by 100 points. Don't care what anyone says. I was at that game, was insane.

[Sea Ray]

Since we're playing the what if game...what chance does the loser of the UM/OSU game have of getting into the CFP? IMO, UM would have a better case than OSU and here's why: UM's loss would be a road loss whereas OSU's would be a home loss--much more egregious. A bad loss. How do you folks see it?

[Boston Red]

OSU has a better chance of losing and still getting in IMO. Michigan's non-conference schedule was egregious, and the Committee will enjoy punishing them for it if Michigan puts themselves in that position.

[RedTeamGo!]

Since we're playing the what if game...what chance does the loser of the UM/OSU game have of getting into the CFP? IMO, UM would have a better case than OSU and here's why: UM's loss would be a road loss whereas OSU's would be a home loss--much more egregious. A bad loss. How do you folks see it?

It depends on what happens with TCU. If TCU (and maybe USC - however I think 1 loss UM or OSU make it over USC regardless) both lose a game, OSU and UM are both making it. I think if TCU loses a game the final four is effectively set in stone. This is assuming the loser of the OSU/UM game doesn't lose by a lot of points. In your scenario, if OSU loses to UM by 3-7 points I don't view that as a bad loss, even with it being at home, at least in the eyes of the committee. As an OSU fan, any loss against UM is a bad loss, but I digress. It would be a loss to the #2 team in the CFP final rankings. Only better loss would be Tennessee losing to Georgia, even though they got boat raced in that one.

The CFP will be:

Georgia
UM/OSU Winner
Tenn (assuming they win out)
UM/OSU loser

There is a reason all the oddsmakers are saying OSU has an 86% chance to make the CFP, and it isn't because they assume they are going to beat Michigan.

Also, of course, this could all be turned upside down if Michigan loses to illinois this weekend or if OSU loses to Maryland. I do not see either happening, though. Unless Bert shows up to Ann Arbor and just grinds out a 9-6 win or something somehow.

[BuckeyeRed27]

It depends on what happens with TCU. If TCU (and maybe USC - however I think 1 loss UM or OSU make it over USC regardless) both lose a game, OSU and UM are both making it. I think if TCU loses a game the final four is effectively set in stone. This is assuming the loser of the OSU/UM game doesn't lose by a lot of points. In your scenario, if OSU loses to UM by 3-7 points I don't view that as a bad loss, even with it being at home, at least in the eyes of the committee. As an OSU fan, any loss against UM is a bad loss, but I digress. It would be a loss to the #2 team in the CFP final rankings. Only better loss would be Tennessee losing to Georgia, even though they got boat raced in that one.

The CFP will be:

Georgia
UM/OSU Winner
Tenn (assuming they win out)
UM/OSU loser

There is a reason all the oddsmakers are saying OSU has an 86% chance to make the CFP, and it isn't because they assume they are going to beat Michigan.

Also, of course, this could all be turned upside down if Michigan loses to illinois this weekend or if OSU loses to Maryland. I do not see either happening, though. Unless Bert shows up to Ann Arbor and just grinds out a 9-6 win or something somehow.

Yep I think this is right, expect for a potential Michigan v USC scenario.

The “cleanest” scenario is TCU and USC win out along with OSU and Georgia. But I think it’s pretty unlikely USC and TCU win out. If they both lose I see it like RTG.

[Hillsdale87]

Since we're playing the what if game...what chance does the loser of the UM/OSU game have of getting into the CFP? IMO, UM would have a better case than OSU and here's why: UM's loss would be a road loss whereas OSU's would be a home loss--much more egregious. A bad loss. How do you folks see it?

I agree with this. A close road loss to OSU would be the best loss in college football this season.


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[Danny Serafini]

I'm going to vent here for a minute. I've said it before and I'll say it again, the targeting rule needs to go. They had their hearts in the right place when the rule was written, but when officials are unable to call it in either direction with any level of accuracy or consistently then what's the point? There was one of the most egregious non-calls you'll ever see in the Toledo/Bowling Green game tonight where a BG defender blasted a Toledo WR helmet to helmet, damn near knocked him unconscious, and declared it "clean" after a review, and gave BG the ball on a fumble, since the receiver's limp body wasn't able to hold it. I shouldn't be surprised, since it's not the first, second or even 100th time I've seen incompetent officials screw up a targeting call, but when it's blown so many times it's clear there no point in even having it.

[RedTeamGo!]

I'm going to vent here for a minute. I've said it before and I'll say it again, the targeting rule needs to go. They had their hearts in the right place when the rule was written, but when officials are unable to call it in either direction with any level of accuracy or consistently then what's the point? There was one of the most egregious non-calls you'll ever see in the Toledo/Bowling Green game tonight where a BG defender blasted a Toledo WR helmet to helmet, damn near knocked him unconscious, and declared it "clean" after a review, and gave BG the ball on a fumble, since the receiver's limp body wasn't able to hold it. I shouldn't be surprised, since it's not the first, second or even 100th time I've seen incompetent officials screw up a targeting call, but when it's blown so many times it's clear there no point in even having it.

They didn’t even review it. Was blatant targeting. Insane.

[Danny Serafini]

They didn't even review it? I couldn't hear the game where I was at, I assumed they did, but that's even worse.

[RedTeamGo!]

They didn't even review it? I couldn't hear the game where I was at, I assumed they did, but that's even worse.

Nope, no review. The announcer kept saying "he is not a defenseless player, so it is a legal good hit" - I was screaming at the TV. Insane.

[Sea Ray]

Rockets probably going to be MAC champs and have a QB that is going to likely transfer to a big P5 school this offseason.

People watched that Toledo @ OSU game and said "sure, its a MAC team" but it is not normal to beat the best the MAC has to offer by 100 points. Don't care what anyone says. I was at that game, was insane.

With last night's loss, Toledo currently sits at 3rd in the MAC. Beating Toledo by 53 pts does not even make the top ten on the Buckeye's playoff resume

[RedTeamGo!]

With last night's loss, Toledo currently sits at 3rd in the MAC. Beating Toledo by 53 pts does not even make the top ten on the Buckeye's playoff resume

Toledo's star QB did not play last night. They have already locked in going to the MAC championship as winners of their division.

[Sea Ray]

Toledo's star QB did not play last night. They have already locked in going to the MAC championship as winners of their division.

They gave up 42 pts to Bowling Green. Of course OSU will score at will against them

[BuckeyeRed27]

I'm going to vent here for a minute. I've said it before and I'll say it again, the targeting rule needs to go. They had their hearts in the right place when the rule was written, but when officials are unable to call it in either direction with any level of accuracy or consistently then what's the point? There was one of the most egregious non-calls you'll ever see in the Toledo/Bowling Green game tonight where a BG defender blasted a Toledo WR helmet to helmet, damn near knocked him unconscious, and declared it "clean" after a review, and gave BG the ball on a fumble, since the receiver's limp body wasn't able to hold it. I shouldn't be surprised, since it's not the first, second or even 100th time I've seen incompetent officials screw up a targeting call, but when it's blown so many times it's clear there no point in even having it.

This rule has just needed a “yellow card” “red card” type system. No idea why they don’t do it.

[bucksfan2]

I want this to happen:

OSU/Mich run the table.
USC and TCU run the table.
LSU beats GA in the SEC title game.

What does the playoff look like?

1. B1G Champ
2. TCU
3. USC (?)
4. LSU (?)

Its chaos, Georgia wouldn't have the claim as a conference champ. Tennessee and LSU would be interesting because LSU is a 2 loss champ, Tenn beat them, but GA beat Tenn.

The loser of the B1G will have the best loss of everyone, but they aren't going to leave out the SEC.

[Boston Red]

In that scenario, I think it would be Big Ten champ, TCU, LSU and Georgia.

[BuckeyeRed27]

Georgia still makes it over LSU in that scenario unless it was like a 3 TD loss.

[Danny Serafini]

Georgia wouldn't drop any lower than #3 in that scenario. They'd still be looked at as better than a 1-loss USC team regardless of who had a conference title, and LSU with 2 losses. I really don't see a viable path for LSU to make it, conference champ or not 2 losses is 1 too many.

[RedTeamGo!]

They gave up 42 pts to Bowling Green. Of course OSU will score at will against them

Before that game they were averaging around 17-18 points per game on defense. I don't really want to speak to someone ignorant about Toledo or MAC football anymore. So enjoy your day!

[BuckeyeRed27]

Georgia wouldn't drop any lower than #3 in that scenario. They'd still be looked at as better than a 1-loss USC team regardless of who had a conference title, and LSU with 2 losses. I really don't see a viable path for LSU to make it, conference champ or not 2 losses is 1 too many.

Also I think they’d want to avoid an OSU Georgia game, which they very likely want as the final.

[Sea Ray]

Before that game they were averaging around 17-18 points per game on defense. I don't really want to speak to someone ignorant about Toledo or MAC football anymore. So enjoy your day!

I've watched a lot of college football shows this year for obvious reasons. I've also read a lot of posts online from fans. I have not heard anyone other than you mention OSU's win over Toledo as a resume builder. No one.

[RedTeamGo!]

I've watched a lot of college football shows this year for obvious reasons. I've also read a lot of posts online from fans. I have not heard anyone other than you mention OSU's win over Toledo as a resume builder. No one.

I wasn't even the person that said it, I was responding to someone else who said it was "lowkey not a bad win"

I never said it was a resume builder, this is precisely what I said:


Rockets probably going to be MAC champs and have a QB that is going to likely transfer to a big P5 school this offseason.

People watched that Toledo @ OSU game and said "sure, its a MAC team" but it is not normal to beat the best the MAC has to offer by 100 points. Don't care what anyone says. I was at that game, was insane.

I would appreciate it if you don't put words in my mouth, thanks.

[Sea Ray]

I wasn't even the person that said it, I was responding to someone else who said it was "lowkey not a bad win"

I never said it was a resume builder, this is precisely what I said:



I would appreciate it if you don't put words in my mouth, thanks.

OK, we agree. The Toledo win is not a resume builder for OSU. If that wasn't your point then I don't know why you or Baseclogger even brought it up

[RedTeamGo!]

OK, we agree. The Toledo win is not a resume builder for OSU. If that wasn't your point then I don't know why you or Baseclogger even brought it up

Its almost like it was two people talking about NCAA football in a NCAA football thread on a message board

[Sea Ray]

Its almost like it was two people talking about NCAA football in a NCAA football thread on a message board

I get that part. Was there a point to the discussion?

[Danny Serafini]

Some people like to talk about MAC football.

[Boston Red]

Some people like to talk about MAC football.

Not very many, of course!

I'll have a kid in the MAC next year, so I've got to start getting in on the MAC-tion. I was visiting my now-wife at Ball State back when they broke the long, David Letterman-publicized losing streak (not that we were watching the game or even really aware it was going on). That's my closest connection to MACtion until next year.

[Sea Ray]

Some people like to talk about MAC football.

I can see why. It's very entertaining and there's a few NFL players that often come from there. Very smart of the league to do games on days like Tuesdays.

[RedTeamGo!]

Not very many, of course!

I'll have a kid in the MAC next year, so I've got to start getting in on the MAC-tion. I was visiting my now-wife at Ball State back when they broke the long, David Letterman-publicized losing streak (not that we were watching the game or even really aware it was going on). That's my closest connection to MACtion until next year.

Where is your kid going?

[Assembly Hall]

Some people like to talk about MAC football.

Go Ball State Cardinals!

[Boston Red]

Where is your kid going?

Western Michigan. Go Broncos!

[Boston Red]

If we're talking about that level of FBS, the Sun Belt has put together a pretty fun league. A respectable 17-22 against FBS non-confernce opponents, including 3-12 against the Power 5. The MAC, by contrast, is 8-28 against FBS non-confernce opponents and 2-19 against the Power 5.

[Reds Freak]

I can see why. It's very entertaining and there's a few NFL players that often come from there. Very smart of the league to do games on days like Tuesdays.

I'm sure it's smart of the league in the long run, but to me it's a big middle finger to the actual fans of the teams. I'm sure it gets a few more eyeballs on TV and the degenerate gamblers who bet on anything that moves probably love it, but I've always thought it was unfair to the players and season ticket holders. College football is meant for Saturdays.

[Sea Ray]

I'm sure it's smart of the league in the long run, but to me it's a big middle finger to the actual fans of the teams. I'm sure it gets a few more eyeballs on TV and the degenerate gamblers who bet on anything that moves probably love it, but I've always thought it was unfair to the players and season ticket holders. College football is meant for Saturdays.

It's only for 3 weeks in November. I get what you're saying

[bucksfan2]

I'm sure it's smart of the league in the long run, but to me it's a big middle finger to the actual fans of the teams. I'm sure it gets a few more eyeballs on TV and the degenerate gamblers who bet on anything that moves probably love it, but I've always thought it was unfair to the players and season ticket holders. College football is meant for Saturdays.

MAC-tion helps support those athletic departments. IMO its a pretty savvy deal for the programs. It does hurt the families of the football players, but other than that, I don't think its much different than the NFL and college playing on Thursday nights.

[BuckeyeRed27]

https://www.elevenwarriors.com/ohio-state-football/2022/11/134823/unbreakable

There was some discussion in the OSU thread about Kam Babb, but this is really a larger story. This is a great article, but for those unfamiliar, Babb was a very highly recruited WR who has torn his ACL 4 times as well as a couple other injuries. He’s kept fighting, been a team captain the last 2 years and last Saturday he caught his first career pass for a TD against Indiana.

[RedTeamGo!]

If we're talking about that level of FBS, the Sun Belt has put together a pretty fun league. A respectable 17-22 against FBS non-confernce opponents, including 3-12 against the Power 5. The MAC, by contrast, is 8-28 against FBS non-confernce opponents and 2-19 against the Power 5.

the Fun Belt has definitely been better than the MAC the last couple of years. To me, it seems like the MAC is historically the cradle of coaches, but no good young coaches right now. Particularly UT, BGSU, Miami (OH), and Ohio U - but after Fleck left Western a few years back the coaching quality has really stagnated. Take Coach Candle at UT for example. He followed Matt Campbell, who was clearly a good coach. It seems to me like Candle is decent, but not good enough to get plucked by a P5 program. That's a problem. I cannot really think of any MAC coaches right now that are getting talked about with P5 coaching opps. This has directly correlated with the conference being down, IMHO.

[RedTeamGo!]

MAC-tion helps support those athletic departments. IMO its a pretty savvy deal for the programs. It does hurt the families of the football players, but other than that, I don't think its much different than the NFL and college playing on Thursday nights.

Strong disagree. UT alum that lives in Cleveland. It has basically made it impossible for me to go to multiple home games, particularly the biggest game of the year for the program - the game against their rival, BGSU, which is always played in November. The BGSU game has been a Tuesday or Wednesday for years at this point and its shameful. I know a lot of UT alum that are very upset about this. I get it makes the athletic departments money. But, that is not what this is supposed to be about. I am not naive, though.

[bucksfan2]

Strong disagree. UT alum that lives in Cleveland. It has basically made it impossible for me to go to multiple home games, particularly the biggest game of the year for the program - the game against their rival, BGSU, which is always played in November. The BGSU game has been a Tuesday or Wednesday for years at this point and its shameful. I know a lot of UT alum that are very upset about this. I get it makes the athletic departments money. But, that is not what this is supposed to be about. I am not naive, though.

I mean I get this. I do think rivarly games should be in a more marquee time. And I didn't realize that they played two Tuesdays in a row, which I don't like. But each MAC team getting one Tuesday night game makes the conference money. I mean its not exactly the best idea for Toledo or Akron to head into The Shoe to get destroyed, but those games help pay for the AD budgets. Same for MACtion, it helps support the entire AD department.

[RedTeamGo!]

I mean I get this. I do think rivarly games should be in a more marquee time. And I didn't realize that they played two Tuesdays in a row, which I don't like. But each MAC team getting one Tuesday night game makes the conference money. I mean its not exactly the best idea for Toledo or Akron to head into The Shoe to get destroyed, but those games help pay for the AD budgets. Same for MACtion, it helps support the entire AD department.

Its not one Tuesday, though. Basically, 3 games in November are all Tues or Weds. It absolutely sucks.

[*BaseClogger*]

Its almost like it was two people talking about NCAA football in a NCAA football thread on a message board

The Toledo win is just as good as any of the non-conference wins on Tennessee's schedule...

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Western Michigan. Go Broncos!

Kalamazoo is a funky little college town, and Western has a cool, diverse student population. Your kid will have a great time!

[Sea Ray]

The Toledo win is just as good as any of the non-conference wins on Tennessee's schedule...

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Kalamazoo is a funky little college town, and Western has a cool, diverse student population. Your kid will have a great time!

You really think Toledo is as good as a Power 5 team like Pittsburgh? Jeff Sagrin disagrees and so do I

https://sagarin.usatoday.com/2022-2/college-football-team-ratings-2022/

What makes Tennessee's record so impressive are two wins over top 10 teams. I don't think any other team can claim that. And one of games was on the road

As for Kalamazoo, it's a great area for craft beer!

[RedTeamGo!]

You really think Toledo is as good as a Power 5 team like Pittsburgh? Jeff Sagrin disagrees and so do I

https://sagarin.usatoday.com/2022-2/college-football-team-ratings-2022/

What makes Tennessee's record so impressive are two wins over top 10 teams. I don't think any other team can claim that. And one of games was on the road

As for Kalamazoo, it's a great area for craft beer!

I think Toledo would give them a good game, if not win, yeah. Pitt is pretty bad this year. They lost to Georgia Tech this year, thats like losing to a division 2 team.

Its not like Toledo doesn't have a history of beating P5 teams. A few years ago they went down to SEC country and beat a ranked Arkansas on the road. The last time they played Michigan they won in the Big House.

[bucksfan2]

I think Toledo would give them a good game, if not win, yeah. Pitt is pretty bad this year. They lost to Georgia Tech this year, thats like losing to a division 2 team.

Its not like Toledo doesn't have a history of beating P5 teams. A few years ago they went down to SEC country and beat a ranked Arkansas on the road.

Toledo's QB is pretty electric. I would like to see what they could do against a non-top 10ish team. They didn't stand a chance against OSU, but playing against MSU or that level of a team could have been a dog fight.

[BuckeyeRed27]

Toledo beat UMass 55-10.

UMass plays Texas A&M this weekend. Does A&M do better than Toledo?

[*BaseClogger*]

Tennessee needed OT to beat that marginal Pitt team, while OSU drubbed Toledo... :lol:

[BuckeyeRed27]

Pitt beat Western Michigan 34-13.

Toledo plays Western Michigan next weekend. Does Toledo do better?

[Sea Ray]

I think Toledo would give them a good game, if not win, yeah. Pitt is pretty bad this year. They lost to Georgia Tech this year, thats like losing to a division 2 team.

Its not like Toledo doesn't have a history of beating P5 teams. A few years ago they went down to SEC country and beat a ranked Arkansas on the road. The last time they played Michigan they won in the Big House.

If we judge Pitt on their body of work they're not "bad" as you put it. They're Bowl eligible already. We can't judge them based on their worst game. Tennessee was not at their best when they played Pitt, just like ND wasn't in the opener vs OSU. Believe me, I sweated out that Pitt game

Toledo has a very good MAC football program. No argument from me there. What Toledo did a few years ago is irrelevant to this year.

[Assembly Hall]

Tennessee played a MAC school this year. Why aren't we comparing Toledo to Ball State?

[*BaseClogger*]

Tennessee played a MAC school this year. Why aren't we comparing Toledo to Ball State?

They played two MAC teams, actually. They also played the worst team in the MAC, Akron. Tennessee has more slots for MAC teams because they play FOUR non-conference games and only EIGHT conference games...

[Sea Ray]

Tennessee played a MAC school this year. Why aren't we comparing Toledo to Ball State?

I'm not sure what the point is here in picking on Tennessee. Frankly this is a bad year to try to badmouth Tennessee. I'm not getting this

[Assembly Hall]

I'm not sure what the point is here in picking on Tennessee. Frankly this is a bad year to try to badmouth Tennessee. I'm not getting this

Settle down. I got a Tennessee sweat shirt on.

[kaldaniels]

I'm not sure what the point is here in picking on Tennessee. Frankly this is a bad year to try to badmouth Tennessee. I'm not getting this

I’m guessing parties are laying the groundwork for the inevitable OSU vs UT argument should UM win in Columbus.

[Assembly Hall]

I’m guessing parties are laying the groundwork for the inevitable OSU vs UT argument should UM win in Columbus.

Has anybody thrown the Ball St./Toledo game out there? A back and forth game that Toledo ended up winning? I figured some "expert" here would have plugged the outcome of that game into a formula to tell us who is better? Ohio St. or Tennessee? lol

[Hillsdale87]

I’m guessing parties are laying the groundwork for the inevitable OSU vs UT argument should UM win in Columbus.

If OSU loses to Michigan, I don't think I want them in the playoff. If they can't beat Michigan they'll be embarrassed by Georgia


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[RedTeamGo!]

If OSU loses to Michigan, I don't think I want them in the playoff. If they can't beat Michigan they'll be embarrassed by Georgia


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That’s what people said in 2014 after they lost to Va Tech

[Sea Ray]

I’m guessing parties are laying the groundwork for the inevitable OSU vs UT argument should UM win in Columbus.

As a Tenn fan, I'm here to say OSU should be favored. Tennessee doesn't have nearly the talent OSU does.

[Sea Ray]

Breaking: SEC Commissioner Greg Sankey says the league is looking at going to to a single division, and is leaning heavily in that direction.

Moving away from two divisions and no four team pod system.

https://twitter.com/MarcRyanOnAir/status/1593299510679281668?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5 Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1593299510679281668%7Ctwgr% 5E%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=

Now, just add a 9th game and somehow rotate the schedule so everybody plays everybody every 2-3 years to create schedule parity and we've got a plan.

[Hillsdale87]

That’s what people said in 2014 after they lost to Va Tech

That team had a full season to turn around from that loss though. If OSU loses to Michigan, it will be because they have the same toughness issues they had last year.


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[Sea Ray]

That team had a full season to turn around from that loss though. If OSU loses to Michigan, it will be because they have the same toughness issues they had last year.


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Due to OSU's (and UM's) schedule, they have one chance to prove their ranking's worthy. That's just the way it is. It's been a snoozer of a season in the Big Ten but I'm really looking forward to watching this game. It should be fun

[BuckeyeRed27]

Due to OSU's (and UM's) schedule, they have one chance to prove their ranking's worthy. That's just the way it is. It's been a snoozer of a season in the Big Ten but I'm really looking forward to watching this game. It should be fun

I was pretty awake during the Penn St and ND games. OSU (and to some degree Michigan) have done a good job of making the games boring against teams they should be boring against. Georgia has done an ok job of this except against Missouri (I’ll give them a bit of a pass for sleep walking through Kent St).

[kaldaniels]

As a Tenn fan, I'm here to say OSU should be favored. Tennessee doesn't have nearly the talent OSU does.

I suppose it could come down to how the OSU-UM game looked. But if we are talking about 1-loss UT and 1-loss OSU in a vacuum it would hard to put OSU above the Vols.

OSU best wins - ND and PSU
OSU loss - UM

UT best wins - LSU and Bama
UT loss - UGA

That sure seems to favor UT to me, especially given my generous assumption to OSU that the rest of their schedules are equal. One thing I haven’t done too much digging on - is it possible the SEC West, including their leaders, is a pretty weak half of a conference?

[*BaseClogger*]

OSU and Michigan do not play the same schedule--OSU's schedule is more difficult and is only a few degrees inferior to those faced by the top teams in the SEC East.

[BuckeyeRed27]

I suppose it could come down to how the OSU-UM game looked. But if we are talking about 1-loss UT and 1-loss OSU in a vacuum it would hard to put OSU above the Vols.

OSU best wins - ND and PSU
OSU loss - UM

UT best wins - LSU and Bama
UT loss - UGA

That sure seems to favor UT to me, especially given my generous assumption to OSU that the rest of their schedules are equal. One thing I haven’t done too much digging on - is it possible the SEC West, including their leaders, is a pretty weak half of a conference?

For the Michigan/OSU loser it just comes down to how the game goes. If it’s a blow out, they are probably dead. If it’s a close one score game, they have a chance.

Tennessee wasn’t really competitive against Georgia, so that will be a part of the conversation if it gets there.

[*BaseClogger*]

I suppose it could come down to how the OSU-UM game looked. But if we are talking about 1-loss UT and 1-loss OSU in a vacuum it would hard to put OSU above the Vols.

OSU best wins - ND and PSU
OSU loss - UM

UT best wins - LSU and Bama
UT loss - UGA

That sure seems to favor UT to me, especially given my generous assumption to OSU that the rest of their schedules are equal. One thing I haven’t done too much digging on - is it possible the SEC West, including their leaders, is a pretty weak half of a conference?

That's not generous, that's reality.

The SEC West middle class is better than the SEC East. Any criticism of that division is the result of a CFP-focused lens.

[Sea Ray]

I suppose it could come down to how the OSU-UM game looked. But if we are talking about 1-loss UT and 1-loss OSU in a vacuum it would hard to put OSU above the Vols.

OSU best wins - ND and PSU
OSU loss - UM

UT best wins - LSU and Bama
UT loss - UGA

That sure seems to favor UT to me, especially given my generous assumption to OSU that the rest of their schedules are equal. One thing I haven’t done too much digging on - is it possible the SEC West, including their leaders, is a pretty weak half of a conference?

I wouldn't say a conference with Ole Miss, Alabama and LSU is weak by any measure. In fact I'd say it's the strongest half conference to the SEC and Big Ten East

[kaldaniels]

That's not generous, that's reality.

The SEC West middle class is better than the SEC East. Any criticism of that division is the result of a CFP-focused lens.

I might be going against you here as I’m not exactly sure of your point but I just did some digging into the SEC West. Their top 3 teams are Bama, LSU and Ole Miss (not in order). The best 3 “out of SEC West” wins by those 3 teams are Texas, UF and UK. I’m just playing devils advocate to myself but if UGA blows out LSU, I could squint and see that UT’s best wins were not as impressive as I once thought.

Could the same logic be done with the Big Ten East? Probably to a lesser extent.

[RedTeamGo!]

Due to OSU's (and UM's) schedule, they have one chance to prove their ranking's worthy. That's just the way it is. It's been a snoozer of a season in the Big Ten but I'm really looking forward to watching this game. It should be fun

Notre Dame is now up to 18th and if they win the next two weeks will finish around 10. They absolutely beat the snot out of Clemson and UNC. At this point the ND win the first week is clearly a good win, whether folks want to admit it or not.

The Penn State game is also a good win. They are ranked 12th or 13th, I believe.

[kaldaniels]

Notre Dame is now up to 18th and if they win the next two weeks will finish around 10. They absolutely beat the snot out of Clemson and UNC. At this point the ND win the first week is clearly a good win, whether folks want to admit it or not.

The Penn State game is also a good win. They are ranked 12th or 13th, I believe.

I don’t like Sagarin but Sea Ray did appeal to his authority yesterday in discussing Toledo.

Sags has PSU 7 and ND 15.

[Sea Ray]

I might be going against you here as I’m not exactly sure of your point but I just did some digging into the SEC West. Their top 3 teams are Bama, LSU and Ole Miss (not in order). The best 3 “out of SEC West” wins by those 3 teams are Texas, UF and UK. I’m just playing devils advocate to myself but if UGA blows out LSU, I could squint and see that UT’s best wins were not as impressive as I once thought.

Could the same logic be done with the Big Ten East? Probably to a lesser extent.

There's no shame in getting blown out by Georgia. That shouldn't hurt anyone's resume. As for UT, no matter how you slice it they have wins over two top ten teams. Other than Tennessee's record, there's only 8 losses amongst all ten of those teams and Tenn was responsible for two of them.

Then there's the eye test. Have you all watched LSU, Florida and Alabama play? They all have very athletic QBs and Ole Miss' QB is no slouch either. They're a handful for a defense. Stroud is the only QB I've seen in the Big Ten with skills that compare to the QBs for Tenn, Florida, LSU and Alabama

[*BaseClogger*]

I think "best win" analysis loses its footing once you get below the top tier college football teams and it's more about the entirety of their resumes.

Sagarin's computer model rankings below. Vanderbilt is by far the worst team in the SEC. Every team in the SEC West is in the top 50.

SEC East
Georgia (1)
Tennessee (4)
Florida (21)
Kentucky (43)
South Carolina (57)
Missouri (63)
Vanderbilt (98)

SEC West
Alabama (3)
LSU (10)
Ole Miss (17)
Miss State (30)
Arkansas (33)
Texsas A&M (41)
Auburn (48)

[kaldaniels]

Sagarin always has a weird quirk that I can find.

Here’s this years. Of all the 1-loss teams currently in the CFP discussion TCU has the highest strength of schedule according to him.

TCU is undefeated.

Sagarin’s system ranks them 9th.

[*BaseClogger*]

Most of the B1G teams are built around defense, not QBs. We'll see how that matches up come bowl season. There's certainly been a conversation going on around the football landscape about the pendulum tilting back towards the running game as defenses have now adjusted to spread, pass-heavy offenses.

For posterity, here is the B1G Sagarin rankings.

B1G East
Ohio State (2)
Michigan (5)
Penn State (7)
Mich State (46)
Maryland (52)
Indiana (94)
Rutgers (95)

B1G West
Iowa (24)
Minnesota (26)
Wisconsin (31)
Illinois (37)
Purdue (40)
Nebraska (76)
Northwestern (99)

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Sagarin always has a weird quirk that I can find.

Here’s this years. Of all the 1-loss teams currently in the CFP discussion TCU has the highest strength of schedule according to him.

TCU is undefeated.

Sagarin’s system ranks them 9th.

They haven't won by 10+ points in six weeks...

[Sea Ray]

Notre Dame is now up to 18th and if they win the next two weeks will finish around 10. They absolutely beat the snot out of Clemson and UNC. At this point the ND win the first week is clearly a good win, whether folks want to admit it or not.

The Penn State game is also a good win. They are ranked 12th or 13th, I believe.

I said earlier that ND was a good win. I do think that ND was not nearly the team they are now when OSU faced them in the opener. Ditto for LSU. Both teams were breaking in new coaches. For God's sake, ND couldn't beat Marshall at the beginning of the year

I don't know what point you're trying to make but by any metric LSU/Alabama>Notre Dame/PSU.

It'll be interesting to see how ND fares vs USC. I'll be rooting for ND 'cause USC is breathing down Tennessee's neck right now

[kaldaniels]

I think "best win" analysis loses its footing once you get below the top tier college football teams and it's more about the entirety of their resumes.

Sagarin's computer model rankings below. Vanderbilt is by far the worst team in the SEC. Every team in the SEC West is in the top 50.

SEC East
Georgia (1)
Tennessee (4)
Florida (21)
Kentucky (43)
South Carolina (57)
Missouri (63)
Vanderbilt (98)

SEC West
Alabama (3)
LSU (10)
Ole Miss (17)
Miss State (30)
Arkansas (33)
Texsas A&M (41)
Auburn (48)

From a scouting/eyeball perspective I can understand how someone could say all the SEC West teams are Top-50, I could at least understand the logic.

But looking at that list of SEC West teams the best out of SECW win is Arkansas beating Cincinnati. Are we sure the tail isn’t wagging the dog here?

TAMU at 41?

[*BaseClogger*]

Texas A&M lost to Alabama/LSU/Ole Miss by a combined 10 points. That counts for something in my book and certainly a computer model's...

[Sea Ray]

Sagarin always has a weird quirk that I can find.

Here’s this years. Of all the 1-loss teams currently in the CFP discussion TCU has the highest strength of schedule according to him.

TCU is undefeated.

Sagarin’s system ranks them 9th.

TCU faced about 4 backup QBs in those games


TCU just wins but when will Sonny Dykes luck run out?
@ToddFuhrman
and
@BradPowers7
believe today against Texas.

TCU's played 4 backup QBs, and Max Duggan has faced a Schedule of Defenses with an Average Efficiency rank of 87th!

https://twitter.com/payneinsider/status/1591445018514014209

Did you folks know that or are you just studying the computers and the numbers?

[kaldaniels]

TAMU:

Beat Sam Houston 31-0
Beat U Miami 17-9
Beat Arkansas 23-21

And lost the rest of their games. Sagarin has them 41. I just can’t.

[kaldaniels]

TCU faced about 4 backup QBs in those games



https://twitter.com/payneinsider/status/1591445018514014209

Did you folks know that or are you just studying the computers and the numbers?

Then maybe the error is that Sag says their SOS is the 23rd best in the country so far.

[Sea Ray]

From a scouting/eyeball perspective I can understand how someone could say all the SEC West teams are Top-50, I could at least understand the logic.

But looking at that list of SEC West teams the best out of SECW win is Arkansas beating Cincinnati. Are we sure the tail isn’t wagging the dog here?

TAMU at 41?

If you're only counting out of conference games then of course you'll get stuff like that. This isn't the strongest Alabama team but any win against them is a quality win, no doubt. Need we argue that a win vs Bama is better than a win vs UC? I think we can all agree that Bama is a far far better team than UC

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Then maybe the error is that Sag says their SOS is the 23rd best in the country so far.

I doubt Sagrin takes into account backup QBs playing

[Sea Ray]

Most of the B1G teams are built around defense, not QBs. We'll see how that matches up come bowl season. There's certainly been a conversation going on around the football landscape about the pendulum tilting back towards the running game as defenses have now adjusted to spread, pass-heavy offenses.

For posterity, here is the B1G Sagarin rankings.

B1G East
Ohio State (2)
Michigan (5)
Penn State (7)
Mich State (46)
Maryland (52)
Indiana (94)
Rutgers (95)

B1G West
Iowa (24)
Minnesota (26)
Wisconsin (31)
Illinois (37)
Purdue (40)
Nebraska (76)
Northwestern (99)

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They haven't won by 10+ points in six weeks...

Three teams ranked in the 90s...then there's Nebraska...:thumbdown:

[kaldaniels]

Well anyway barring a big upset this weekend doesn’t have too many games of consequence re: our playoff discussion.

TCU (-2.5) at Baylor - it’s fair to say this could be a competitive game so it’s worth watching

Illinois at UM - too much to lose for UM to get caught in a trap here (spoiler alert, the Illini were out ahead of their skis a few weeks ago)

And the de facto PAC-10 quarterfinals. Potential for USC to get a second loss.

The 26th can’t get here soon enough.

[RedTeamGo!]

There's no shame in getting blown out by Georgia. That shouldn't hurt anyone's resume. As for UT, no matter how you slice it they have wins over two top ten teams. Other than Tennessee's record, there's only 8 losses amongst all ten of those teams and Tenn was responsible for two of them.

Then there's the eye test. Have you all watched LSU, Florida and Alabama play? They all have very athletic QBs and Ole Miss' QB is no slouch either. They're a handful for a defense. Stroud is the only QB I've seen in the Big Ten with skills that compare to the QBs for Tenn, Florida, LSU and Alabama

Jayden Daniels? Come on.

[Sea Ray]

Jayden Daniels? Come on.

Hell yeah. He's a handful. Just ask Ole Miss and Alabama


Early years. Daniels was born on December 18, 2000, in San Bernardino, California. He was a 4 star recruit out of Cajon High School in California. He was ranked number two in the nation for dual-threat quarterbacks

[Boston Red]

Sagarin always has a weird quirk that I can find.

Here’s this years. Of all the 1-loss teams currently in the CFP discussion TCU has the highest strength of schedule according to him.

TCU is undefeated.

Sagarin’s system ranks them 9th.

Margin of victory matters. And it should matter.

[kaldaniels]

Margin of victory matters. And it should matter.

Sure.

But they are (1 of 4 teams) undefeated.
They have the toughest SOS amongst all teams ranked above them.
The have won all of their games by at least 7 except one. (I get it, few blowouts)

But they are looking up at 2-loss Oregon who got smashed (margin of loss counts!) by UGA.

Just hard to process.

[Boston Red]

My guess is that on a neutral field Oregon would be favored over TCU.

[kaldaniels]

I don’t mind Sagarin being used as a guideline if I’m making a bet. But his ranks, which I agree probably best mirror things from a “who would be favored” standpoint, can cloud the mirror when looking at the playoff picture.

Georgia has played and demolished 2 of his Top-10 teams. But they are only 30th in his SOS. And just a whisker ahead of OSU in the overall ranks.

He makes for good discussion and I’m game for that but just because Sagarin says something doesn’t make it so.

[kaldaniels]

To me the dirty secret amongst all of this is that if we really wanted the best 4 teams in the playoffs they would all be from the SEC or Big 10. That being the top-4 “most favored…not in a Vegas sense but in a true on-field sense” teams in the playoff, regardless of W-L.

That’s not how the playoff field is determined though.

[Sea Ray]

To me the dirty secret amongst all of this is that if we really wanted the best 4 teams in the playoffs they would all be from the SEC or Big 10. That being the top-4 “most favored…not in a Vegas sense but in a true on-field sense” teams in the playoff, regardless of W-L.

That’s not how the playoff field is determined though.

Last year there was a clear gap between the top 2 teams in the SEC and the rest of the country. The semi finals were boring. We'll see how this year turns out

[adkindo]

My guess is that on a neutral field Oregon would be favored over TCU.

I am sure a TCU fan would respond with something like...."sooo, like most other weekends when we win the actual game?"

I still think TCU's odds of finishing the regular season and conference championship game undefeated are not great, but I am beginning to come around on them a little more each week.

If you do not watch TCU football, it is important to know that over the last few weeks the defense has played better and even been good during stretches. That is a big difference from early season TCU when the defense really struggled to slow down anyone. There has not been a huge swing in points allowed, but you see it when you watch them on the field....they pick their spots, get big stops when they have to have them, etc....again things that were not happening early in the season. The offense has always been legit and a little more balanced than most assume from a Sonny Dykes offense.....they can win passing or running the ball.

Are they one of the four best teams in the country? Probably not. Do they deserve to currently be in the Top 4 playoff? IMO, yes based on the history of how teams are selected and they have the #1 Strength of Record in the country while their current Strength of Schedule is better than Georgia, Ohio State and Michigan.

[BuckeyeRed27]

I am sure a TCU fan would respond with something like...."sooo, like most other weekends when we win the actual game?"

I still think TCU's odds of finishing the regular season and conference championship game undefeated are not great, but I am beginning to come around on them a little more each week.

If you do not watch TCU football, it is important to know that over the last few weeks the defense has played better and even been good during stretches. That is a big difference from early season TCU when the defense really struggled to slow down anyone. There has not been a huge swing in points allowed, but you see it when you watch them on the field....they pick their spots, get big stops when they have to have them, etc....again things that were not happening early in the season. The offense has always been legit and a little more balanced than most assume from a Sonny Dykes offense.....they can win passing or running the ball.

Are they one of the four best teams in the country? Probably not. Do they deserve to currently be in the Top 4 playoff? IMO, yes based on the history of how teams are selected and they have the #1 Strength of Record in the country while their current Strength of Schedule is better than Georgia, Ohio State and Michigan.

They remind me a little bit of the 2015 Michigan State team. If they make it they’ll certainly have the resume, but they probably aren’t really a top 4 team and will get smoked in the playoffs.

[adkindo]

I am sure a TCU fan would respond with something like...."sooo, like most other weekends when we win the actual game?"

I still think TCU's odds of finishing the regular season and conference championship game undefeated are not great, but I am beginning to come around on them a little more each week.

If you do not watch TCU football, it is important to know that over the last few weeks the defense has played better and even been good during stretches. That is a big difference from early season TCU when the defense really struggled to slow down anyone. There has not been a huge swing in points allowed, but you see it when you watch them on the field....they pick their spots, get big stops when they have to have them, etc....again things that were not happening early in the season. The offense has always been legit and a little more balanced than most assume from a Sonny Dykes offense.....they can win passing or running the ball.

Are they one of the four best teams in the country? Probably not. Do they deserve to currently be in the Top 4 playoff? IMO, yes based on the history of how teams are selected and they have the #1 Strength of Record in the country while their current Strength of Schedule is better than Georgia, Ohio State and Michigan.

One more note on TCU....if they win out, I think the committee owes them to be included in the playoff. I will always believe the committee screwed them over in 2014 (not Baylor).....a year they were good enough to have had a chance to win the national championship. They went into the final week of the season ranked #3 in the CFP.....beat Iowa State 55-3, and drop to #6!

[adkindo]

They remind me a little bit of the 2015 Michigan State team. If they make it they’ll certainly have the resume, but they probably aren’t really a top 4 team and will get smoked in the playoffs.

My instinct is to agree....but this season we had Georgia @ Mizzou....Ohio State @ Northwestern....Michigan vs. Maryland...Tennessee @ Pitt.....not sure any team is above a clunker that could take place at a really bad time.

[BuckeyeRed27]

My instinct is to agree....but this season we had Georgia @ Mizzou....Ohio State @ Northwestern....Michigan vs. Maryland...Tennessee @ Pitt.....not sure any team is above a clunker that could take place at a really bad time.

I’m not sure any team has thrown up a clunker in the playoffs though.

Also I think Georgia and Michigan are the only actual clunkers on that list. OSU NW was played in ridiculous weather and Tennessee Pitt was Week 1.

[Boston Red]

Lots of empty seats in the Big House. Kind of surprising.

[BuckeyeRed27]

Lots of empty seats in the Big House. Kind of surprising.

I think it’s the student section. Noon game, 11 degree wind chill. It’ll probably fill in a bit more.

[Boston Red]

Corum got hurt, but he definitely also fumbled on the play. Doubt review overturns it, though.

[RedTeamGo!]

That looked bad for Corum. Sucks.

[Boston Red]

Michigan is going to win, but if they managed to lose, things would get a bit complicated in the playoff race. Particularly if TCU loses, too.

[BuckeyeRed27]

Hope Corum is ok, but didn’t look good.

[RedTeamGo!]

They are trying to make it seem like Corum is ok and he ain’t

[GAC]

Been a heck of a game between Illinois and Michigan. 10-10 with 6 minutes left in the 3rd. Once again Michigan's offense, led by McCafferty, does not impress me.

[BuckeyeRed27]

Michigan we have a problem.

[Boston Red]

Let's go Illini!

[adkindo]

TCU remains undefeated with a walkoff FG to win by 1 over Baylor...

[BuckeyeRed27]

TCU remains undefeated with a walkoff FG to win by 1 over Baylor...

And they really got away with it. Running on the FG unit after a run with no time outs was really stupid.

[GAC]

I've lost count on how many receivers McCafferty has missed, and missed badly, today. Wow!

TCU survives on last minute FG 29-28.

[*BaseClogger*]

Georgia will beat TCU by a thousand points. 2015 Michigan State all over again indeed…

[Boston Red]

One stop Illinois. Fumble, INT, whatever.

[Boston Red]

Bummer.

[*BaseClogger*]

It’s better this way. Both teams might be without their top two running backs?

[GAC]

This same llinois team that took it to Michigan today, but came up short, is the same Illinois team that lost to Indiana, Purdue, and Michigan State. Michigan's offense is not a threat. OSU fans should breathe easier after watching this game.

[Boston Red]

And they really got away with it. Running on the FG unit after a run with no time outs was really stupid.

Nah, there was plenty of time. They snapped with three seconds and didn't really need to rush too much to do that.

[adkindo]

I know in my brain it is not true....but I felt like I saw a handful of calls in the 2nd half of that Illinois/Michigan game that made me "feel" like maybe some Big10 interests were trying to be protected. Just saying I thought Illinois got a less than equal whistle in the 2nd half.

[Sea Ray]

Congrats to the Hoosiers on a nice exciting win!

[Boston Red]

This same llinois team that took it to Michigan today, but came up short, is the same Illinois team that lost to Indiana, Purdue, and Michigan State. Michigan's offense is not a threat. OSU fans should breathe easier after watching this game.

Particularly with Corum hurt.

[RedTeamGo!]

McCarthy had so many bad throws in that game. Wild. Watch him throw for 400 next week against OSU.

[RedTeamGo!]

OSU’s defense looks awful so far

[RedTeamGo!]

Check that. OSU looks awful so far.

[BuckeyeRed27]

Ha I was gonna say defense looks solid. Offense had a nice drive and then has gone backwards on first down twice.

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Nah, there was plenty of time. They snapped with three seconds and didn't really need to rush too much to do that.

I mean it worked, but there was zero reason to have to run your FG team out anyway.

[Roy Tucker]

I think that’s a catch.

[Boston Red]

Sure, but they didn't get away with anything. They comfortably had plenty of time.

[Boston Red]

Georgia will beat TCU by a thousand points. 2015 Michigan State all over again indeed…

If TCU is in the playoff, they'll be #3, so unlikely to play Georgia. Presumably, TCU is significantly better than Kentucky, though, so I wouldn't be so sure of that prediction.

[RedTeamGo!]

That’s not an INT but what in the world is stroud thinking there???

[texasdave]

The pieces are falling into place for the Bearcats to be in a major Bowl this season. UConn beats Liberty. Navy sinks Central Florida. If the Bearcats win their final two games they will win the conference, and be the top-ranked Group of Five squad.

[RedTeamGo!]

The pieces are falling into place for the Bearcats to be in a major Bowl this season. UConn beats Liberty. Navy sinks Central Florida. If the Bearcats win their final two games they will win the conference, and be the top-ranked Group of Five squad.

I don’t follow the G5 too closely, doesn’t Coastal Carolina only have 1 loss?

[Roy Tucker]

OSU’s secondary is playing like crap.

[RedTeamGo!]

What in the world is going on

[Boston Red]

Here we go. Exciting afternoon.

[RedTeamGo!]

OSU’s secondary is playing like crap.

Jarrett is a monster. I would say the offense is playing like crap today.

[Boston Red]

Well considering Florida just bulldozed South Carolina and Kentucky gave Vanderbilt their first SEC win in 2 years I think it's safe to say its Florida at the moment.

That moment is over, apparently.

[RedTeamGo!]

Henderson absolutely sucks

[goreds2]

Is Ohio State looking toward next week as Michigan possibly did today?

[Roy Tucker]

Jarrett is a monster. I would say the offense is playing like crap today.

That too. So many dumb penalties.

Henderson looks like he’s playing hurt. Can’t gain the edge and goes down so easy.

[GAC]

I'm getting tired of watching OSU play like crap in the first half against mediocre teams. Watching Michigan earlier, and so far this OSU performance? Neither one would go any where in the CFP. JMO.

[Boston Red]

I'm getting tired of watching OSU play like crap in the first half against mediocre teams. Watching Michigan earlier, and so far this OSU performance? Neither one would go any where in the CFP. JMO.

Lol. Who's going to put the hammer on either of them? The Georgia team up 9-0 on Kentucky? The TCU team that beat Baylor by 1?

[Boston Red]

I don’t follow the G5 too closely, doesn’t Coastal Carolina only have 1 loss?

Coastal needs UCF or Tulane to beat Cincinnati.

[RedTeamGo!]

This is the worst OSU has looked since last year. This is an embarrassment

[GAC]

Lol. Who's going to put the hammer on either of them? The Georgia team up 9-0 on Kentucky? The TCU team that beat Baylor by 1?

Yep. If that is the scenario. IMO, TCU would have a field day with this secondary. OSU can't run the ball. Georgia's D, and Stetson would have a field day too. Again, JMO. LOL

[BuckeyeRed27]

I'm getting tired of watching OSU play like crap in the first half against mediocre teams. Watching Michigan earlier, and so far this OSU performance? Neither one would go any where in the CFP. JMO.

They gonna lose to Georgia who is up 6-0 on Kentucky?


Winning is hard guys. Deep breath.

[GAC]

They gonna lose to Georgia who is up 6-0 on Kentucky?


Winning is hard guys. Deep breath.

9-0. Georgia's defense dominates.

My opinion of OSU has not been formed on this one game (which isn't over by any means yet). I'm not the biggest fan of Day. ;)

[BuckeyeRed27]

9-0. Georgia's defense dominates.

My opinion of OSU has not been formed on this one game (which isn't over by any means yet). I'm not the biggest fan of Day. ;)

Day is probably the second best coach in the country so.

Stop playing 8 yards off the receivers, stop playing an injured running back who only bounces it outside and stop the stupid penalties.

[BuckeyeRed27]

Oh look, the healthy running back can run the football. Crazy.

Great block by Ransom.

[Roy Tucker]

Day is probably the second best coach in the country so.

Stop playing 8 yards off the receivers, stop playing an injured running back who only bounces it outside and stop the stupid penalties.

Yes.

Blocked punt. Hayden with 2 runs, the last for a TD. 17-13 Buckeyes.

[RedTeamGo!]

At this point I think Hayden is better than Henderson.

[BuckeyeRed27]

At this point I think Hayden is better than Henderson.

Since Henderson is maybe 70%, absolutely.

[*BaseClogger*]

At this point I think Hayden is better than Henderson.

I couldn’t figure out why they weren’t getting him more snaps a few weeks ago, because this seemed like an eventuality with how banged up the two primary backs have been. Buckeyes have a history of contributions from true freshman running backs this millennium…

[GAC]

When's then last time you saw a OSU team, halfway thru the 3Q, have 40+ yards rushing?

[Roy Tucker]

Stroud’s accuracy has been pretty hit and miss.

[GAC]

Stroud’s accuracy has been pretty hit and miss.

For the last few games IMO. Very erratic, indecisive at times.

[goreds2]

UK hanging in against Georgia. 16-6 with ten minutes remaining.

[Boston Red]

Petras actually looks kind of competent at QB for Iowa today.

[BuckeyeRed27]

Petras actually looks kind of competent at QB for Iowa today.

First time that sentence has ever been said.

[Rojo Rijo]

Talk again next week!

Looking back at season results, Florida has actually been pretty good other than getting whacked at home by Kentucky.

sigh.........

All I can say is that I know Napier is working with mostly Mullens players and Mullen didnt/wouldnt recruit for crap, hence why he was 10-3 and 11-2 his first two years at UF then went 8-4 and 5-6. He won with McElwains players. I think we're headed in the right direction but today sucked. Really hope we can muster up a win at FSU on Friday.

[RedTeamGo!]

Since Henderson is maybe 70%, absolutely.

I’m gonna go ahead and say when Henderson is 100%

[RedTeamGo!]

Just awful

[Boston Red]

Iowa is a win against Nebraska from winning the Big Ten West.

[BuckeyeRed27]

Nice easy 13 point win…

[goreds2]

Nice easy 13 point win…

Better to win ugly than lose pretty.

[BuckeyeRed27]

Better to win ugly than lose pretty.

Just win.

Tennessee down 21-7.

A 13 point win is looking like an absolute massacre today.

[kaldaniels]

Iowa is a win against Nebraska from winning the Big Ten West.

I don’t think OSU or UM wants the stress of an Illini game so I know who they are rooting for.

[BuckeyeRed27]

Toledo beat UMass 55-10.

UMass plays Texas A&M this weekend. Does A&M do better than Toledo?

Texas A&M did not do better than Toledo. At all.

[kaldaniels]

There goes that SEC West.

Liberty beat Arkansas.

And now Arkansas is beating Ole Miss 21-3.

Up is down. Left is right.

And TAMU won!

[RedTeamGo!]

Rattler having the game of his life

[kaldaniels]

Rattler having the game of his life

Thought the same.

Looks NFL-caliber.

But there’s that pesky track record to look at.

[Boston Red]

I don’t think OSU or UM wants the stress of an Illini game so I know who they are rooting for.

The other choice is Purdue, not Illinois.

[kaldaniels]

Nice easy 13 point win…

If you told me OSU would win by the same margin as the total margin of victory of UGA, UM and TCU I’d have taken that. :laugh:

Margin of victory counts!

[RedTeamGo!]

Rattler having the game of his life

Edit: Rattler had the half of his life

[kaldaniels]

Edit: Rattler had the half of his life

It’s like the USC staff didn’t watch the first half. But they had to have….right?

TD USC…they kinda got their groove back. Coming down to a TO or last possession.

Fun game.

[RedTeamGo!]

Definitely a fun game, the 4th quarter is going to be bananas.

[Boston Red]

Tennessee appears hosed.

[kaldaniels]

Tennessee appears hosed.

USC punches it in here and it becomes a huge mountain to climb.

[kaldaniels]

USC punches it in here and it becomes a huge mountain to climb.

Oooooooh and a couple more minutes off the clock as well.

[BuckeyeRed27]

That’s probably it for UT.

If USC loses to UCLA, that likely means both OSU and Michigan will make the playoffs.

[kaldaniels]

Hooker appears hurt bad.

[Boston Red]

Crisis mostly avoided, but it was like the top teams got together this weekend and conspired to find a way to bring Alabama back into the playoff race. Almost.

[kaldaniels]

Crisis mostly avoided, but it was like the top teams got together this weekend and conspired to find a way to bring Alabama back into the playoff race. Almost.

Headed over to USC-UCLA.

Clemson and Bama are fully engorged at the moment.

[RedTeamGo!]

I don’t see how 1 loss clemson or 2 loss Bama gets in over 1 loss UM or OSU. If USC loses any of these games the next 3 weeks both are locks IMHO. Assuming LSU loses to Georgia in SEC ship.

[BuckeyeRed27]

This is easily the best big ten west game this season.

[kaldaniels]

I don’t see how 1 loss clemson or 2 loss Bama gets in over 1 loss UM or OSU. If USC loses any of these games the next 3 weeks both are locks IMHO. Assuming LSU loses to Georgia in SEC ship.

Probably not. But if USC and TCU lose one game each the rest of the way…then who is in?

[RedTeamGo!]

The defense in this USC/UCLA game is non existent. It legit seems like UCLA doesn’t have a defense. Like it’s just guys standing around.

[RedTeamGo!]

The worst defensive game I’ve seen since the rose bowl between OSU and Utah.

[RedTeamGo!]

Wow, big sack when it mattered most!

[Boston Red]

Big INT. USC gonna win. Great game.

[Boston Red]

Amazing that Ibrahim ran for 263 yards today...and his team lost 13-10.

[Reds Freak]

On a day that looked like chaos could ensue, we only got a mild shake up. Seven teams still in the picture. Everyone has tough games left but if they all hold serve, it will be very interesting to see what happens with that last spot between a one-loss Clemson, USC, and the OSU/Michigan loser. Although if LSU beats Georgia in the SEC title game, they probably jump over that trio.

Unbeatens:
1. Georgia (11-0), next vs. Georgia Tech
2. Ohio State (11-0), next vs. Michigan
3. Michigan (11-0), next @ Ohio State
4. TCU (11-0), next vs. Iowa State

One-loss teams waiting in the wings:
1. Clemson (10-1), next vs. South Carolina
2. USC (10-1), next vs. Notre Dame

Two-loss team that probably ought not to be completely ruled out yet:
1. LSU (9-2), next @ Texas A&M

Removed: Tennessee (9-2); North Carolina (9-2)

[Assembly Hall]

Has anyone checked on Sea Ray to see if he is alright?

[Hillsdale87]

On a day that looked like chaos could ensue, we only got a mild shake up. Seven teams still in the picture. Everyone has tough games left but if they all hold serve, it will be very interesting to see what happens with that last spot between a one-loss Clemson, USC, and the OSU/Michigan loser. Although if LSU beats Georgia in the SEC title game, they probably jump over that trio.

Unbeatens:
1. Georgia (11-0), next vs. Georgia Tech
2. Ohio State (11-0), next vs. Michigan
3. Michigan (11-0), next @ Ohio State
4. TCU (11-0), next vs. Iowa State

One-loss teams waiting in the wings:
1. Clemson (10-1), next vs. South Carolina
2. USC (10-1), next vs. Notre Dame

Two-loss team that probably ought not to be completely ruled out yet:
1. LSU (9-2), next @ Texas A&M

Removed: Tennessee (9-2); North Carolina (9-2)

If USC had lost last night, I think both OSU and Michigan would have made it. If they beat ND and win the Pac12, I think they'll be in


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[Reds Freak]

If USC had lost last night, I think both OSU and Michigan would have made it. If they beat ND and win the Pac12, I think they'll be in


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Agreed. I have a feeling USC won't make it unscathed, but if they do their wins @UCLA, vs. Notre Dame, and vs. Oregon are better than anything the other one-loss teams would have.