NCAA Football 2022 Part 2

[WVRed]

Other one is at 1,000 posts.

Carry on.

[plantmanky]

Its pretty clear the 4 teams for the playoff should all come from the SEC.

















:beerme:

[adkindo]

They beat his Mountaineers this past weekend.

Did they...I barely recall anything from this weekend beyond another monster performance against a P5 defense by Will Levis........

[Assembly Hall]

Its pretty clear the 4 teams for the playoff should all come from the SEC.

















:beerme:

You have been listening to too much of Sea Ray's propaganda.

[Sea Ray]

You have been listening to too much of Sea Ray's propaganda.

When did I ever suggest such a thing? Sure the SEC is far and away the best football conference but I'm not ready to say the top four teams this year are from the conference. At this point I think OSU is definitely one of the top teams but I haven't seen them play a challenging team yet.

[Assembly Hall]

When did I ever suggest such a thing? Sure the SEC is far and away the best football conference but I'm not ready to say the top four teams this year are from the conference. At this point I think OSU is definitely one of the top teams but I haven't seen them play a challenging team yet.

A challenging team to you is a team from the SEC. lol

[Sea Ray]

A challenging team to you is a team from the SEC. lol

Another fallacy on your part. Michigan is definitely a challenging team and I look forward to that matchup on Thanksgiving weekend.

How many Big Ten games have been compelling and fun to watch so far this year? PSU vs OSU? Possibly. You think Sean Clifford would start for any SEC team above Missouri and Vanderbilt? Iowa and Wisconsin has been very poor television. Won't even get started with Rutgers, Northwestern and your own Hoosiers. As a fan I'd much rather watch a PAC12, Big 12 or SEC game than a Big Ten game this year. Outside of OSU and UM the Big Ten teams seem very slow

[Assembly Hall]

Another fallacy on your part. Michigan is definitely a challenging team and I look forward to that matchup on Thanksgiving weekend.

How many Big Ten games have been compelling and fun to watch so far this year? PSU vs OSU? Possibly. You think Sean Clifford would start for any SEC team above Missouri and Vanderbilt? Iowa and Wisconsin has been very poor television. Won't even get started with Rutgers, Northwestern and your own Hoosiers. As a fan I'd much rather watch a PAC12, Big 12 or SEC game than a Big Ten game this year. Outside of OSU and UM the Big Ten teams seem very slow

Didn't Clifford kick the snot out of Auburn?

[BuckeyeRed27]

Georgia has lost Nolan Smith for the rest of the season. Massive hit for that defense.

[Rojo Rijo]

I won't say 4, but it's hard not to look at it and think Georgia, Tennessee, and Alabama shouldnt all be there. They'll need some help to pull it off, mainly needing someone to knock off Clemson who has at Notre Dame, vs. Miami, vs. South Carolina, and the ACC CG, likely against UNC. Ohio St. will play Michigan and that game is almost certainly going to be for a CFP spot.

As far as the SEC plays out for those 3 you have:
#1 Georgia - vs. #2 Tennessee, at Mississippi St, at Kentucky, vs. Georgia Tech
#2 Tennessee - at #2 Georgia, vs. Missouri, at South Carolina, at Vanderbilt
#6 Alabama - at #15 LSU, at #11 Ole Miss, vs. Austin Peay, vs. Auburn

Still a lot to shake out but if things go as expected (favored teams) im guessing they would play out with undefeated Georgia meeting 1 loss Alabama in Atlanta for the SEC CG while a 1 loss Tennessee rests at home. If that happens, that being the only loss any of them take is in the UGA/UT game and then Alabama beats the winner of that game in Atlanta you would have 12-1 Georgia or Tennessee, 12-1 SEC champion Alabama, and 11-1 Georgia or Tennessee. I think that's the scenario where all 3 could get in, unless Clemson goes undefeated as well as one of Michigan or Ohio State. Then it would get really interesting. If Alabama wins out but losses the SEC CG I think you can cross them out with 2 losses unless Clemson fails to win the ACC.

Honestly this would be a perfect year to have 8 teams
Georgia, Tennessee, Alabama, Ohio State, Michigan, Clemson, TCU, and whoever emerges from Oregon/UCLA/USC to win the P12 would be a fantastic 8 team CFP.

[Sea Ray]

Didn't Clifford kick the snot out of Auburn?

First of all Auburn is horrible this year, hence their firing of their coach yesterday...but here's what the PSU coach said after the game:


"The ability to be more balanced and take pressure off the passing game has been really important for us," said Penn State coach James Franklin. "We also have some dynamic backs that can help create some explosive plays."

Sure doesn't sound like a ringing endorsement of his QB, huh?

[BuckeyeRed27]

The SEC isn’t getting 3 teams in without total craziness.

I also don’t think Alabama gets through the next 2 games without dropping one.

[Assembly Hall]

First of all Auburn is horrible this year, hence their firing of their coach yesterday...but here's what the PSU coach said after the game:





Well then it appears to me that Clifford could start for Auburn.

Honestly, I have no idea why Franklin hasn't made a QB change. I called for it after their 1st game that they got lucky and won over Purdue(which was a great game btw).

[Assembly Hall]

The SEC isn’t getting 3 teams in without total craziness.

I also don’t think Alabama gets through the next 2 games without dropping one.

I don't think it would take total craziness. But the SEC would need some things to break their way. Which is very possible.

[Sea Ray]

Well then it appears to me that Clifford could start for Auburn.

Honestly, I have no idea why Franklin hasn't made a QB change. I called for it after their 1st game that they got lucky and won over Purdue(which was a great game btw).

If you wanna add Auburn to my list, I have no beef with that

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I don't think it would take total craziness. But the SEC would need some things to break their way. Which is very possible.

I'm not for putting 3 teams from one conference in the playoff even if it's warranted. We don't need to see more rematches or even worse, teams possibly playing each other 3x

[BuckeyeRed27]

I don't think it would take total craziness. But the SEC would need some things to break their way. Which is very possible.

Just the scenario within the SEC is hard. Alabama wins out, Tennessee beats Georgia this weekend and loses to Bama, no other upsets. Could happen, but wouldn’t bet it.

Ohio State/Michigan would have to be a blow out for one team to knock the other out of the conversation.

TCU has to lose.

USC/Oregon/UCLA would have to eliminate each other or USC has to lose to ND.

Clemson has to lose (I actually think this is pretty likely) and it probably has to be ugly.

Then there is more long shot stuff like what if UNC or Illinois (I know I know) win out.

[RedTeamGo!]

First of all Auburn is horrible this year, hence their firing of their coach yesterday

Auburn does stink but their play on the field isn't the only reason Harsin got fired

[Boston Red]

Clemson who has at Notre Dame, vs. Miami, vs. South Carolina, and the ACC CG, likely against UNC.

You skipped Louisville for Clemson. Of that group, I think Louisville has the second best shot to beat Clemson behind ND based on how Louisville is playing right now.

[Assembly Hall]

You skipped Louisville for Clemson. Of that group, I think Louisville has the second best shot to beat Clemson behind ND based on how Louisville is playing right now.

I suppose I could bring myself to root for the Cards when they face Clemson.

[Rojo Rijo]

You skipped Louisville for Clemson. Of that group, I think Louisville has the second best shot to beat Clemson behind ND based on how Louisville is playing right now.

I don't see it happening. Louisville going into DV for their first road game in 6 weeks and a week removed from playing James Madison sets them up terribly. Clemson's recent schedule has been one of the nations toughest, while Louisville has been on easy street outside of the Wake game.

[WVRed]

Did they...I barely recall anything from this weekend beyond another monster performance against a P5 defense by Will Levis........

Yep, Levis sucked on the big stage again. Nothing new.

Who do you have as the best team in the Big 12 and beating TCU?

[Roy Tucker]

Some comments.

Yeah, SEC is the best conference. So much talent.

If Penn State and Iowa had good QBs, they’d be pretty good teams. But Clifford and the Iowa guy are just plain awful. There is a lot of QB talent around. I can’t imagine why they don’t get someone better. Doesn’t speak well for the Big 10.

Things usually shake out by seasons end. I imagine 2 SEC teams, OSU/UM, and the 4th team is up in the air right now. Clemson, TCU, Oregon, SEC team, USC, UM/OSU ??

[*BaseClogger*]

I think Sean Clifford is somewhat unfairly being dragged in this thread. He's not a CFP-caliber QB, but he's no slouch either. I'd consider him a middle-of-the-pack QB from a top P5 conference. Is the gap between him and Stetson Bennett so large?

Iowa's troubles on offense go way deeper than QB. It's a philosophical, system-wide problem for them to score points right now...

[Sea Ray]

I think Sean Clifford is somewhat unfairly being dragged in this thread. He's not a CFP-caliber QB, but he's no slouch either. I'd consider him a middle-of-the-pack QB from a top P5 conference. Is the gap between him and Stetson Bennett so large?

Iowa's troubles on offense go way deeper than QB. It's a philosophical, system-wide problem for them to score points right now...

Oh yeah, there is a tremendous gap between Clifford and Bennett. Clifford isn't leading any team to an NC

[Assembly Hall]

I think Sean Clifford is somewhat unfairly being dragged in this thread. He's not a CFP-caliber QB, but he's no slouch either. I'd consider him a middle-of-the-pack QB from a top P5 conference. Is the gap between him and Stetson Bennett so large?



LOL. You just told us why Clifford should be benched. Is Penn St. a middle-of-the-pack school?

[Assembly Hall]

Oh yeah, there is a tremendous gap between Clifford and Bennett. Clifford isn't leading any team to an NC

https://www.si.com/college/pennstate/football/penn-state-football-quarterback-change-drew-allar-sean-clifford

[*BaseClogger*]

LOL. You just told us why Clifford should be benched. Is Penn St. a middle-of-the-pack school?

First of all, I'm already on the record in this thread in questioning why Allar isn't playing. Second of all, you can have a top team with a mediocre QB if the talent around him and his defense is strong enough. See: Georgia Bulldogs...

[WVRed]

Hypothetical:

Put Clifford on Georgia, do they have the same production?

Stetson Bennett was a former walk on and he managed that team to a national championship.

[kaldaniels]

Just the scenario within the SEC is hard. Alabama wins out, Tennessee beats Georgia this weekend and loses to Bama, no other upsets. Could happen, but wouldn’t bet it.

Ohio State/Michigan would have to be a blow out for one team to knock the other out of the conversation.

TCU has to lose.

USC/Oregon/UCLA would have to eliminate each other or USC has to lose to ND.

Clemson has to lose (I actually think this is pretty likely) and it probably has to be ugly.

Then there is more long shot stuff like what if UNC or Illinois (I know I know) win out.

UGA beats UT
Bama beats UGA

And they all win the rest of their games.

I’m not saying 3 will get on but each of those 1-loss teams would have a very compelling argument.

[bucksfan2]

I think Sean Clifford is somewhat unfairly being dragged in this thread. He's not a CFP-caliber QB, but he's no slouch either. I'd consider him a middle-of-the-pack QB from a top P5 conference. Is the gap between him and Stetson Bennett so large?

Iowa's troubles on offense go way deeper than QB. It's a philosophical, system-wide problem for them to score points right now...

I don't think there is that much of a difference. Bennett is older, albeit by only a year, I forgot Clifford was that old! Bennett won the championship with the best defense college football has seen in decades. I don't think he really does anything better than an average P5 QB, he just has a tremendous amount of elite talent surrounding him.

Clifford's problem, or maybe PSU's problem, was he was good enough to win the QB job at an early age, but not good enough to take them to the next level. I don't really fault PSU for Levis, he was a lower ranked recruit, you never really heard anything about him, and when he did play (against OSU at least) he was a change of pace bulldozer of a QB.

The thing with PSU is the are a 10-2 football team, but they aren't in the same league is their two division rivals. Where I give Harbaugh credit is he knew McNamera was limited and the team had a higher ceiling with McCarthy. He may have had a sham competition, but at least he did that. PSU may have an additional loss, but with Allar they would have had a better chance at beating both OSU and Michigan.

Iowa is a mess, Ferentz has hung on too long and has too much power. No QB is going to go to Iowa with the current system they are running and the ineptitude of their OC. Its kinda like this never ending death spiral with Iowa. They do a great job on D, churn out NFL players on D, but their offense is stuck back 20 years. If you look at Ferentz's career arch, it seems to repeat itself over and over and over again. He has that one season where Iowa overachieves, he signs and extension, and then has a couple of terrible seasons.

[BuckeyeRed27]

I think Sean Clifford is somewhat unfairly being dragged in this thread. He's not a CFP-caliber QB, but he's no slouch either. I'd consider him a middle-of-the-pack QB from a top P5 conference. Is the gap between him and Stetson Bennett so large?

Iowa's troubles on offense go way deeper than QB. It's a philosophical, system-wide problem for them to score points right now...

I agree with this, but Petras is bad. Clifford is fine. He just hasn’t developed. He’s basically the same QB he was 12 years ago when he was a freshman.

[Assembly Hall]

I don't think there is that much of a difference. Bennett is older, albeit by only a year, I forgot Clifford was that old! Bennett won the championship with the best defense college football has seen in decades. I don't think he really does anything better than an average P5 QB, he just has a tremendous amount of elite talent surrounding him.

Clifford's problem, or maybe PSU's problem, was he was good enough to win the QB job at an early age, but not good enough to take them to the next level. I don't really fault PSU for Levis, he was a lower ranked recruit, you never really heard anything about him, and when he did play (against OSU at least) he was a change of pace bulldozer of a QB.

The thing with PSU is the are a 10-2 football team, but they aren't in the same league is their two division rivals. Where I give Harbaugh credit is he knew McNamera was limited and the team had a higher ceiling with McCarthy. He may have had a sham competition, but at least he did that. PSU may have an additional loss, but with Allar they would have had a better chance at beating both OSU and Michigan.

Iowa is a mess, Ferentz has hung on too long and has too much power. No QB is going to go to Iowa with the current system they are running and the ineptitude of their OC. Its kinda like this never ending death spiral with Iowa. They do a great job on D, churn out NFL players on D, but their offense is stuck back 20 years. If you look at Ferentz's career arch, it seems to repeat itself over and over and over again. He has that one season where Iowa overachieves, he signs and extension, and then has a couple of terrible seasons.

You said it better than I on the Penn St QB situation.

As far as Iowa, even though they are at a low right now...they could still beat my Hoosiers.

[Sea Ray]

You said it better than I on the Penn St QB situation.

As far as Iowa, even though they are at a low right now...they could still beat my Hoosiers.

How'd your Hoosiers fall so far so fast? Last I recall they were giving my Volunteers everything they could handle in a Bowl game

[Assembly Hall]

How'd your Hoosiers fall so far so fast? Last I recall they were giving my Volunteers everything they could handle in a Bowl game

Good question. No Oline. No QB. Can't run. Can't pass. Etc. Plain and simple they lack talent all the way around on the offensive side of the ball. Then I could go on about the coaching staff now and how it was then. And how big a loss Kalen DeBoer was. Yada, yada, yada...

[Hillsdale87]

Oh yeah, there is a tremendous gap between Clifford and Bennett. Clifford isn't leading any team to an NC

Agreed. Have you guys watched them play?! Clifford is fine. Yes, he's probably middle of the pack. Bennett is like Clifford, except better in every way. More athletic, better decision maker, better passer. I know Bennett probably doesn't have much of an NFL future, but I love watching him play in college.

[bucksfan2]

You said it better than I on the Penn St QB situation.

As far as Iowa, even though they are at a low right now...they could still beat my Hoosiers.

Here is the thing with Iowa, their D is legit good. Probably one of the best defenses in the country. They have top tier NFL players at multiple levels of their defense. The problem is their offense is putrid, absolutely putrid. I don't think Iowa can ever build something like Michigan has, they just recruit at that level. If you look at their current offensive structure, with Brian Ferentz at OC, what QB in their right mind would go to Iowa? There are probably 50 other P5 programs as well as some top tier G5 programs that offer more attractive options at QB than Iowa. And that starts to trickle down, no WR's are going to go there because their QB is garbage.

Yes they would probably boat race IU, well because IU is in the midst of a downturn that I don't know if they can get out of with Allen at the helm.

[Sea Ray]

Here is the thing with Iowa, their D is legit good. Probably one of the best defenses in the country. They have top tier NFL players at multiple levels of their defense. The problem is their offense is putrid, absolutely putrid. I don't think Iowa can ever build something like Michigan has, they just recruit at that level. If you look at their current offensive structure, with Brian Ferentz at OC, what QB in their right mind would go to Iowa? There are probably 50 other P5 programs as well as some top tier G5 programs that offer more attractive options at QB than Iowa. And that starts to trickle down, no WR's are going to go there because their QB is garbage.

Yes they would probably boat race IU, well because IU is in the midst of a downturn that I don't know if they can get out of with Allen at the helm.

OSU scored over 50 on 'em, more than they've scored on any team this year except a MAC school. Iowa is a hard nosed defense but they're slow afoot. You can't be one of the top defenses in the country and be slow afoot

[BuckeyeRed27]

OSU scored over 50 on 'em, more than they've scored on any team this year except a MAC school. Iowa is a hard nosed defense but they're slow afoot. You can't be one of the top defenses in the country and be slow afoot

OSU is also the best offense in the country. Iowa turned it over 6 times, once for a TD and OSU was starting in the Iowa side of the field pretty frequently.

I do enjoy some classic “typical slow Big Ten” analysis though.

[Boston Red]

Iowa's defense played remarkably well against Ohio State in the first half. I'm sure they gave up in the second half when it was clear their offense was going to do nothing, but Iowa's defense was really good that day despite the score.

Iowa's defense scored as many TDs as Ohio State's offense in the first half.

[RedTeamGo!]

Good question. No Oline. No QB. Can't run. Can't pass. Etc. Plain and simple they lack talent all the way around on the offensive side of the ball. Then I could go on about the coaching staff now and how it was then. And how big a loss Kalen DeBoer was. Yada, yada, yada...

I would look for Dasan Mcullough to transfer to OSU if Eichenberg and Chambers go pro after this year

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Iowa's defense played remarkably well against Ohio State in the first half. I'm sure they gave up in the second half when it was clear their offense was going to do nothing, but Iowa's defense was really good that day despite the score.

Iowa's defense scored as many TDs as Ohio State's offense in the first half.

I think the Iowa defense did play well in the first half. However, I do not think they would have played as well if Day didn't screw around with playing an injured JSN to play and going full hog with Stroud and Marvin/Fleming/Egbuka.

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I agree with this, but Petras is bad. Clifford is fine. He just hasn’t developed. He’s basically the same QB he was 12 years ago when he was a freshman.

Petras absolutely is bad, but I do not think Iowa's offense would be much better with any QB in that system other than like Stroud, Young, Hooker, and a few others.

Brian Ferentz is running the worst offense I have ever seen.

[BuckeyeRed27]

I would look for Dasan Mcullough to transfer to OSU if Eichenberg and Chambers go pro after this year

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I think the Iowa defense did play well in the first half. However, I do not think they would have played as well if Day didn't screw around with playing an injured JSN to play and going full hog with Stroud and Marvin/Fleming/Egbuka.

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Petras absolutely is bad, but I do not think Iowa's offense would be much better with any QB in that system other than like Stroud, Young, Hooker, and a few others.

Brian Ferentz is running the worst offense I have ever seen.

That’s probably fair on Iowa. Certainly without crazy levels of nepotism he would have been fired by now.

[Boston Red]

I think the Iowa defense did play well in the first half. However, I do not think they would have played as well if Day didn't screw around with playing an injured JSN to play and going full hog with Stroud and Marvin/Fleming/Egbuka

I suppose hypothetically Ohio State's offense could have done more against Iowa's defense in the first half, but they actually kicked 4 FGs on drives of 1, 4, 17 and 24 yards and had one nice TD drive offset by one fumble that Iowa returned for a TD. Iowa's defense can certainly be excused for not coming out of the locker room in the second half.

[RedTeamGo!]

They 100% put Michigan at 5 to guarantee only 1 team from big ten makes it.

[BuckeyeRed27]

They 100% put Michigan at 5 to guarantee only 1 team from big ten makes it.

Clemson at 4 is…something.

[Kingspoint]

I don't think anyone who votes in the polls are members of the committee that picks the four teams who would represent the playoff teams.

[Chip R]

Here is the thing with Iowa, their D is legit good. Probably one of the best defenses in the country. They have top tier NFL players at multiple levels of their defense. The problem is their offense is putrid, absolutely putrid. I don't think Iowa can ever build something like Michigan has, they just recruit at that level. If you look at their current offensive structure, with Brian Ferentz at OC, what QB in their right mind would go to Iowa? There are probably 50 other P5 programs as well as some top tier G5 programs that offer more attractive options at QB than Iowa. And that starts to trickle down, no WR's are going to go there because their QB is garbage.


Much like Ohio for OSU, any HS QB that is great will go to Iowa if offered. It's their dream to play in Kinnick. Iowa's offense has got worse every year for the past several years. Joe Burrow could play there and look maybe not awful but ordinary.


That’s probably fair on Iowa. Certainly without crazy levels of nepotism he would have been fired by now.

The funny thing about this is Iowa (not sure if it's the state or university) has an anti-nepotism law/rule. So to get around it to hire Ferentz fils, they made him report directly to the AD, not his father. :lol: Papa Ferentz has a $40M buyout so it's unlikely they are firing him. It's possible that he may retire in 3 years when he turns 70.

[bucksfan2]

Clemson at 4 is…something.

Look at 20-25, that is how they validate the Clemson ranking. NC State, Syracuse, and Wake all round out the top 25, but it gives them 3 top 25 wins against teams that just aren't that good.

Also, you want to get some insight on why Alabama is ranked over an undefeated TCU team? Look no further than Texas being the only three loss team in the field.

It may be a conspiracy theory of mine, but if you look at the latter half of the rankings, they are used to explain why they rank the teams where they do.

[BuckeyeRed27]

Look at 20-25, that is how they validate the Clemson ranking. NC State, Syracuse, and Wake all round out the top 25, but it gives them 3 top 25 wins against teams that just aren't that good.

Also, you want to get some insight on why Alabama is ranked over an undefeated TCU team? Look no further than Texas being the only three loss team in the field.

It may be a conspiracy theory of mine, but if you look at the latter half of the rankings, they are used to explain why they rank the teams where they do.

Yeah the committee is a dumb idea. By the end of the season it almost always mirrors what the BCS formula would have been, so probably should just go back to using math.

Also if the general idea of this is to just promote the sport and they don’t really matter at this point, why not make Georgia 2 and you can have a 1 v 2 matchup this weekend?

[Boston Red]

Little matters less than the top 4 in these early polls. That's all going to work itself out. Where the one loss teams stack up is where the action is.

[cumberlandreds]

I hope Clemson doesn't end in the top 4. If they do that will be a blowout game for whoever is ranked number 1. Clemson just ain't that good.

[bucksfan2]

Much like Ohio for OSU, any HS QB that is great will go to Iowa if offered. It's their dream to play in Kinnick. Iowa's offense has got worse every year for the past several years. Joe Burrow could play there and look maybe not awful but ordinary.

The funny thing about this is Iowa (not sure if it's the state or university) has an anti-nepotism law/rule. So to get around it to hire Ferentz fils, they made him report directly to the AD, not his father. :lol: Papa Ferentz has a $40M buyout so it's unlikely they are firing him. It's possible that he may retire in 3 years when he turns 70.

I get the first part, but at some point Iowa is going to have to change its offense. Just looking back at the last 5 classes or so, the top rated QB in state QB did not go to Iowa. And the only one I have really heard of, Max Duggan went to TCU. The also lost one to in state ISU.

I get the allure of playing in Kinnick stadium, but if Day or Riley or Saben or (insert new offensive genius) comes calling, are you really going to go to Iowa? I mean I love OSU, but had Harvard or Princeton come calling, I don't think I would be an OSU grad.

[bucksfan2]

Yeah the committee is a dumb idea. By the end of the season it almost always mirrors what the BCS formula would have been, so probably should just go back to using math.

Also if the general idea of this is to just promote the sport and they don’t really matter at this point, why not make Georgia 2 and you can have a 1 v 2 matchup this weekend?

To a certain extent I think the committee is a good idea. There may be some gaps in the system, but they get it right more often than not. I will say this, they have never put a team in who was one of the best 4 in the country but didn't have the resume to back it up. So in essence they are operating like a computer, but not always getting the best teams in.

I just can't but the idea that the committee has watched Clemson play football this year and thinks they are a top 4 team.

[Sea Ray]

I get the first part, but at some point Iowa is going to have to change its offense. Just looking back at the last 5 classes or so, the top rated QB in state QB did not go to Iowa. And the only one I have really heard of, Max Duggan went to TCU. The also lost one to in state ISU.

I get the allure of playing in Kinnick stadium, but if Day or Riley or Saben or (insert new offensive genius) comes calling, are you really going to go to Iowa? I mean I love OSU, but had Harvard or Princeton come calling, I don't think I would be an OSU grad.

Iowa is screwed if they can only get an instate QB. I can't remember the last time Tennessee had an instate QB lead them. You gotta recruit out of state. If you can't then therein lies the problem

[Boston Red]

I just can't but the idea that the committee has watched Clemson play football this year and thinks they are a top 4 team.

I just don't see why anyone cares? Clemson is either going to win all their games and be in the playoff, or they're not going to win all their games and not be in the playoff. If Michigan beats Ohio State (without slipping up before that), they're clearly jumping Clemson no matter what Clemson does.

[Sea Ray]

I just don't see why anyone cares? Clemson is either going to win all their games and be in the playoff, or they're not going to win all their games and not be in the playoff. If Michigan beats Ohio State (without slipping up before that), they're clearly jumping Clemson no matter what Clemson does.

My guess is that the gripe lies with the loser of the UM vs OSU game. Big Ten fans likely want that team ranked above Clemson

[bucksfan2]

My guess is that the gripe lies with the loser of the UM vs OSU game. Big Ten fans likely want that team ranked above Clemson

I don't give a damn. The reason they produce the rankings is to talk about it and garner interest.

This weeks raking means little to nothing. Its fodder to talk about, and thats about it. You can mark it down with absolute certainty that the final playoff rankings will not resemble what was put out last night.

[RedTeamGo!]

I don't give a damn. The reason they produce the rankings is to talk about it and garner interest.

This weeks raking means little to nothing. Its fodder to talk about, and thats about it. You can mark it down with absolute certainty that the final playoff rankings will not resemble what was put out last night.

The first ever playoff rankings had Mississippi St ranked #1

[Boston Red]

TCU is the only party that I think has a valid annoyance , but even at #7 they have a clear path if they win out. Also, they're not going to win out.

[Hillsdale87]

OSU scored over 50 on 'em, more than they've scored on any team this year except a MAC school. Iowa is a hard nosed defense but they're slow afoot. You can't be one of the top defenses in the country and be slow afoot

Matt Miller said he thinks 3 Iowa defenders will be top 50 picks. It's a really good defense. OSU got it moving in the second half, but 54 points was not an accurate reflection of OSU's offensive output


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[BuckeyeRed27]

Matt Miller said he thinks 3 Iowa defenders will be top 50 picks. It's a really good defense. OSU got it moving in the second half, but 54 points was not an accurate reflection of OSU's offensive output


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I can’t find it now, but someone ran a model that said the game would have been closer if Iowa would have just punted on first down every time.

[Boston Red]

I can’t find it now, but someone ran a model that said the game would have been closer if Iowa would have just punted on first down every time.

I don't buy that, because it would wear out the defense too much. However, I absolutely believe that had Iowa knelt the ball three times and punted it back to Ohio State having run 2:15 off the clock every possession that the halftime score would have been something like 17-7.

[BuckeyeRed27]

I don't buy that, because it would wear out the defense too much. However, I absolutely believe that had Iowa knelt the ball three times and punted it back to Ohio State having run 2:15 off the clock every possession that the halftime score would have been something like 17-7.

Actually I think that was it now that you mention it. Either way it’s hilarious.

[Kingspoint]

We're having one of our worst storms in a decade here, 125 MPH gust at Timberline Lodge on Mt. Hood, with 100 MPH gusts every hour since 10 a.m. at the 7,000 ft level.

We've had 2 inches of rain since last night to 6 inches of rain depending where you are. It's worse up in Seattle where the Oregon State Beavers are playing against the Washington Huskies. They had a power outage at the stadium, but they are getting ready to start the 4th Quarter with both teams tied at 21. It's just been pouring water all day long in Seattle, and the worst has been the last few hours. Would love to see the Beavers come out of there with a win.

The wind is so rough. A deep ball was just thrown and the wind moved it 10 yards to the middle of the field and took the spiral off the ball. There are gusts from 60 to 80 to 100 mph in the greater Seattle area, though the 100 mph one was at the mountain pass, where it's dropping more than a foot of snow. The Seattle area got a late start on the rain in the NW today, but they've more than made up for it the last four hours.

Both Oregon State and Washington come into this game 6-2 with the Beavers ranked in the Top-25 in the first playoff poll that came out this week.

[Assembly Hall]

We're having one of our worst storms in a decade here, 125 MPH gust at Timberline Lodge on Mt. Hood, with 100 MPH gusts every hour since 10 a.m. at the 7,000 ft level.

We've had 2 inches of rain since last night to 6 inches of rain depending where you are. It's worse up in Seattle where the Oregon State Beavers are playing against the Washington Huskies. They had a power outage at the stadium, but they are getting ready to start the 4th Quarter with both teams tied at 21. It's just been pouring water all day long in Seattle, and the worst has been the last few hours. Would love to see the Beavers come out of there with a win.

The wind is so rough. A deep ball was just thrown and the wind moved it 10 yards to the middle of the field and took the spiral off the ball. There are gusts from 60 to 80 to 100 mph in the greater Seattle area, though the 100 mph one was at the mountain pass, where it's dropping more than a foot of snow. The Seattle area got a late start on the rain in the NW today, but they've more than made up for it the last four hours.

Both Oregon State and Washington come into this game 6-2 with the Beavers ranked in the Top-25 in the first playoff poll that came out this week.

"The Flight of the Penix" prevails.

[RedTeamGo!]

We're having one of our worst storms in a decade here, 125 MPH gust at Timberline Lodge on Mt. Hood, with 100 MPH gusts every hour since 10 a.m. at the 7,000 ft level.

We've had 2 inches of rain since last night to 6 inches of rain depending where you are. It's worse up in Seattle where the Oregon State Beavers are playing against the Washington Huskies. They had a power outage at the stadium, but they are getting ready to start the 4th Quarter with both teams tied at 21. It's just been pouring water all day long in Seattle, and the worst has been the last few hours. Would love to see the Beavers come out of there with a win.

The wind is so rough. A deep ball was just thrown and the wind moved it 10 yards to the middle of the field and took the spiral off the ball. There are gusts from 60 to 80 to 100 mph in the greater Seattle area, though the 100 mph one was at the mountain pass, where it's dropping more than a foot of snow. The Seattle area got a late start on the rain in the NW today, but they've more than made up for it the last four hours.

Both Oregon State and Washington come into this game 6-2 with the Beavers ranked in the Top-25 in the first playoff poll that came out this week.

I watched first half of this game before bed. Weather didn’t seem that bad to me, but hard to tell on tv. Either way: wasn’t impressed with either of these teams. These teams seem more like AAC teams than power 5 teams.

[Kingspoint]

I watched first half of this game before bed. Weather didn’t seem that bad to me, but hard to tell on tv. Either way: wasn’t impressed with either of these teams. These teams seem more like AAC teams than power 5 teams.

The wind was blowing 30-50 mph the entire game. Throwing the ball was not possible....not past the LOS, anyway. Both teams are Top-40 in the nation according to the experts, which makes both of them better than half of the Big-10 teams, while Oregon State is better than half of the Power 5 teams according to the experts. What you saw last night, because of the weather, was the same one sees on a Thursday Night in the NFL regardless of the teams playing. Adverse conditions effected the play, in addition to losing power at the stadium for an hour or so during the 2nd half.

Not only was the wind blowing at storm speeds, it was also swirling and changing directions constantly, making it unpredictable what direction the wind would come from. If you've never been in Seattle, it's miserable wind. It feels like freezing rain. It's actually painful when it's combined with the rain. It freezes the bones. I've been in the Midwest cold...totally different. When it "rose" to 33 degrees in Indianapolis, we all took our shirts off and played football because if felt so good. You could never do that here in the Northwest with the temperature below 40 and rainy.

[GAC]

It's simply a joy watching a football game and seeing players know how to tackle (i.e. Georgia).

[GAC]

Terrible call. No way that wasn't a safety by Georgia. Hell of a punt by Georgia!

[GAC]

Stetson Bennett putting on a show! 21-3 Bulldogs early 2Q.

[RedTeamGo!]

Stetson Bennett putting on a show! 21-3 Bulldogs early 2Q.

Props to Bennett making those throws but that was terrible defense

[KoryMac5]

Drew Allar getting some burn for PSU in a blowout vs IU. Kid looks special.

[Stray]

Alrighty then.

18897

Edit: It's currently

SMU: 70
Houston: 49
12:52 4Q

This game is drunk

[RedTeamGo!]

I guess we can count that ND win as a quality win for OSU now.

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The wind was blowing 30-50 mph the entire game. Throwing the ball was not possible....not past the LOS, anyway. Both teams are Top-40 in the nation according to the experts, which makes both of them better than half of the Big-10 teams, while Oregon State is better than half of the Power 5 teams according to the experts. What you saw last night, because of the weather, was the same one sees on a Thursday Night in the NFL regardless of the teams playing. Adverse conditions effected the play, in addition to losing power at the stadium for an hour or so during the 2nd half.

Not only was the wind blowing at storm speeds, it was also swirling and changing directions constantly, making it unpredictable what direction the wind would come from. If you've never been in Seattle, it's miserable wind. It feels like freezing rain. It's actually painful when it's combined with the rain. It freezes the bones. I've been in the Midwest cold...totally different. When it "rose" to 33 degrees in Indianapolis, we all took our shirts off and played football because if felt so good. You could never do that here in the Northwest with the temperature below 40 and rainy.

Being better than half the teams in the big ten doesn’t mean much this year.

[Stray]

Didn't start pretty, but Marcus Freeman has ND playing great football right now.

[Stray]

What a night.

LSU just took the lead over Bama with 1:47 to play

[texasdave]

SMU 70 UH 56 with 9 minutes left to play in the 4th quarter.

[Stray]

If replays are going to be totally wrong despite video evidence, what is even the point of replay? LSU's DL clearly got a fingertip on that ball, the video couldn't have been clearer.

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SMU 70 UH 56 with 9 minutes left to play in the 4th quarter.

77 - 63 final
Sometimes football is stupid and awesome at the same time.

[kaldaniels]

I’m talking myself into LSU should go for 2.

[Stray]

Holy LSU!

[kaldaniels]

I’m talking myself into LSU should go for 2.

Big brain in this corner tonight folks.

[Stray]

I’m talking myself into LSU should go for 2.

Good call!

[Boston Red]

No Alabama and no Clemson this year.

[Stray]

I think he's a dbag, but there's no doubt Brian Kelly is a top tier coach. He wins wherever he goes.

[kaldaniels]

Good call!

At home.
Don’t want to get in an OT pissing contest with Bama.
You go first and have to go for 2 in 2OT.

Mind as well control your own destiny.

[kaldaniels]

I just feel the need to post this every now and then.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FbLezlBaUAMaGIk?format=jpg&name=small

[kaldaniels]

So many moving parts with the playoff picture but you can pretty much count on a 11-1 non-SEC champ Tennessee into any projections you make. That’s about the only team you can “lock” into anything now.

[BuckeyeRed27]

So many moving parts with the playoff picture but you can pretty much count on a 11-1 non-SEC champ Tennessee into any projections you make. That’s about the only team you can “lock” into anything now.

Tennessee has a chance but is absolutely not a lock.

OSU/Michigan winner
Georgia could probably lose the SEC championship game (they won’t) and still be in
TCU
PAC 12 champion

Those are all in front of Tennessee now. They need some stuff to happen.

[kaldaniels]

Tennessee has a chance but is absolutely not a lock.

OSU/Michigan winner
Georgia could probably lose the SEC championship game (they won’t) and still be in
TCU
PAC 12 champion

Those are all in front of Tennessee now. They need some stuff to happen.

Realize I was certainly not saying/did not say UT is a lock for the playoffs.

You can just safely project them for a 11-1 record. Every other team has a possible loss ahead of them on the schedule.

[kaldaniels]

Looking at the ESPN scoreboard, 9 top-25 teams lost this weekend.

[Boston Red]

Liberty looks like the team to beat for the NY 6 bowl from the have-not leagues.

[Reds Freak]

There will be no more than three undefeated teams at the end of the year so the door is open for at least one single-loss team now. I’ve still got 14 teams on my list with a puncher’s chance.

Unbeatens:
1. Georgia (9-0), next @ Mississippi State
2. Ohio State (9-0), next vs. Indiana
3. Michigan (9-0), next vs. Nebraska
4. TCU (9-0), next @ Texas

One-loss teams with a realistic path:
1. Tennessee (8-1), next vs. Missouri
2. Ole Miss (8-1), next vs. Alabama
3. Clemson (8-1), next vs. Louisville
4. Oregon (8-1), next vs. Washington
5. UCLA (8-1), next vs. Arizona
6. USC (8-1), next vs. Colorado

One-loss basketball school that is a giant long shot but included here for the fun of it:
1. North Carolina (8-1), next @ Wake Forest

Two-loss teams that probably ought not to be completely ruled out yet:
1. Alabama (7-2), next @ Ole Miss
2. LSU (7-2), next @ Arkansas
3. Utah (7-2), next vs. Stanford

Removed: Illinois (7-2)

[Boston Red]

Alabama is completely out barring an LSU collapse.

[Reds Freak]

Alabama is completely out barring an LSU collapse.

Agreed, but I don't think LSU is above a collapse necessarily. They've got @ Arkansas and @ Texas A&M left, which both should be victories for the Tigers but SEC road games are rarely walks in the park. So I'm leaving Alabama on my list until they are eliminated officially from SEC West contention.

[Assembly Hall]

Not a Kelly fan but props to what he has done at LSU in his 1st year.

[UKFlounder]

The Bama-LSU and Auburn-Miss. st games late last night were both great to watch and why I enjoy college football so much.

I know everything’s about the playoffs but old-fashioned watching good games is still fun

[GAC]

You have four spots. A two-loss team is not going to be given consideration. How can that even be suggested? There will be no need. IMO, at the conclusion of the regular season there will be two undefeated CFP teams standing out of this current top 4 .... Georgia and ???. If TCU finishes the season undefeated (got #24 Texas this week), then they should get a spot. But there are plenty of one-loss teams that, IMO, are far more worthy then considering a two-loss team.

[Reds Freak]

You have four spots. A two-loss team is not going to be given consideration. How can that even be suggested? There will be no need. IMO, at the conclusion of the regular season there will be two undefeated CFP teams standing out of this current top 4 .... Georgia and ???. If TCU finishes the season undefeated (got #24 Texas this week), then they should get a spot. But there are plenty of one-loss teams that, IMO, are far more worthy then considering a two-loss team.

A few of the two-loss teams are hanging on by a thread but they are still in the conversation. There are plenty of one-loss teams now but there's four more weeks to pick up more losses and a lot of those teams will be facing each other. For example, here's a path for a two-loss Utah, one of the longest shots.

1. Win out
2. TCU and Clemson finish with two losses and both lose their conference title game
3. Georgia beats LSU in SEC title game

So then your playoff teams are likely 1. Georgia; 2. OSU/Michigan winner 3. Tennessee 4. Pac-12 Champs

Utah's resume would boast seven straight wins, with the best victories being @ Oregon, vs. Oregon, vs. Oregon State, and vs. USC. I think their only competition in this scenario is the Ohio State/Michigan loser, but I'm not sure that team's one-loss resume is any better.

Again, a long shot but I wouldn't completely rule it out yet.

[Sea Ray]

The Bama-LSU and Auburn-Miss. st games late last night were both great to watch and why I enjoy college football so much.

I know everything’s about the playoffs but old-fashioned watching good games is still fun

That's the SEC for ya

[Sea Ray]

Tennessee has a chance but is absolutely not a lock.

OSU/Michigan winner
Georgia could probably lose the SEC championship game (they won’t) and still be in
TCU
PAC 12 champion

Those are all in front of Tennessee now. They need some stuff to happen.

Yep, Tennessee lost their chance to control their own destiny. No shame in losing to Georgia at their place. Most teams don't have to go to Athens and win but such is life for the Vols. I'm thrilled that they'll be in the conversation from here on out

[Reds Freak]

So many moving parts with the playoff picture but you can pretty much count on a 11-1 non-SEC champ Tennessee into any projections you make. That’s about the only team you can “lock” into anything now.

I think a real hairy scenario could be if all three win out and LSU beats Georgia in the SEC title game. Would you take all three? Leave out LSU or Tennessee?

[Chip R]

If replays are going to be totally wrong despite video evidence, what is even the point of replay? LSU's DL clearly got a fingertip on that ball, the video couldn't have been clearer.

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77 - 63 final
Sometimes football is stupid and awesome at the same time.

Earlier this year, Houston's basketball team beat SMU 75-61.

[adkindo]

Still way too early, but for the first time this weekend I felt we may be on the front end of the torch being passed from Saban to Smart (or more like Smart takeing it). Tennessee is not a fraud....that offense is not far behind the Burrows LSU offense, and Smart schemed to make it look like a mediocre ACC offense. Not many in the game outside Saban that could pull that off.....and Smart has did it multiple times in recent years. Georgia made it clear this weekend that when they are locked in, they are on a different level than anyone else in college football this year.

[adkindo]

I think a real hairy scenario could be if all three win out and LSU beats Georgia in the SEC title game. Would you take all three? Leave out LSU or Tennessee?

One would be left out because they will never allow 3 teams from one conference in a 4 team playoff.....and nobody wants that. In that scenario, my gut is Tennessee gets left out. The SEC champion gets in....and Georgia's win over Tennessee makes that decision easy. Also, Kelly and Smart probably have more pull than Heupel. Finally, I would not be shocked if there are some on that room that would not mind taking a shot at Danny White for claiming a National Championship @ UCF.

[Hillsdale87]

Still way too early, but for the first time this weekend I felt we may be on the front end of the torch being passed from Saban to Smart (or more like Smart takeing it). Tennessee is not a fraud....that offense is not far behind the Burrows LSU offense, and Smart schemed to make it look like a mediocre ACC offense. Not many in the game outside Saban that could pull that off.....and Smart has did it multiple times in recent years. Georgia made it clear this weekend that when they are locked in, they are on a different level than anyone else in college football this year.

No offense to Tennessee, they're a great team with an explosive offense, but they're not close to that LSU team. The stats may be similar, but theyre not as dangerous. That LSU team had a guy who's a top 8 QB in the NFL and 2 top 5ish receivers, plus multiple other NFL guys.

What Heupel has done is great, and Tennessee has really good players, but the talent isn't the same.


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[Kingspoint]

I guess we can count that ND win as a quality win for OSU now.

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Being better than half the teams in the big ten doesn’t mean much this year.

Yes. The last place team in the Pac-12, Stanford, just beat Notre Dame in Indiana a few weeks ago.

Truly Ohio State's and Michigan's wins over the bottom half of the Big-10 mean absolutely nothing. Ohio State barely got by a 1-win team this week. Best Offense in the NCAA right now? I don't think so.

[adkindo]

No offense to Tennessee, they're a great team with an explosive offense, but they're not close to that LSU team. The stats may be similar, but theyre not as dangerous. That LSU team had a guy who's a top 8 QB in the NFL and 2 top 5ish receivers, plus multiple other NFL guys.

What Heupel has done is great, and Tennessee has really good players, but the talent isn't the same.


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I disagree....the stats support my claim, and they are taking place in the same league against similar competition. Burrows or any other of the LSU players current status in the NFL is irrelevant to comparing college football production.

[GAC]

We know that either Ohio State or Michigan will not be in the CFP, based on Nov. 26th results. The Vols have three games left against Missouri, S. Carolina, and Vanderbilt, The Gamecocks might give them a game; but if the Vols go undefeated, IMO, they'll be in the CFP. Who jumps them if they win out?

LSU has a pretty easy remaining schedule; but if they are in the SEC Championship game, IMO, Georgia will have little problem with them. Tennessee trounced them 40-13 a month ago. But if LSU manages to pull off the upset of Georgia it will present an interesting scenario; but I don't see them putting three SEC teams (Tennessee, Georgia, LSU) in the CFP. You're going to bump the loser of the OSU-Michigan game, who are ranked #2 and #3 in the country, out of the CFP (and rightly so); but if Georgia loses the SEC Championship, to a two-loss team, they still stay in one of the top four spots for the CFP, as well as LSU, the SEC champion?

Don't see it happening. TCU is ranked #4. If they win out - and they have #18 Texas this week, then Baylor and Iowa State - and do what needs to be done, they shouldn't be bumped by a two-loss LSU who managed an upset in the SEC Champipnship. They've left out other conference champions (PAC-12, B-12) in the past.

I always thought that late season losses were killers to a team's championship chances. If they somehow allow three SEC teams in that CFP, IMO, that would be a huge injustice to those other P5 schools whose teams were either undefeated or suffered one lone loss.

[RedTeamGo!]

If TCU loses and Oregon loses another game I think if the UM/OSU game is close (like within a TD either way) both teams get in.

[Roy Tucker]

This is shaping up as one of those years when an 8 or 12 team playoff would be good. My guess is that Georgia looks like they’ll go undefeated and probably the winner of the OSU-UM game will be the same. But after that, there will be several teams with a reasonable argument to be in the 4 team tourney. Even the 2-loss Alabama who lost 2 SEC nailbiters.

[Sea Ray]

We know that either Ohio State or Michigan will not be in the CFP, based on Nov. 26th results. The Vols have three games left against Missouri, S. Carolina, and Vanderbilt, The Gamecocks might give them a game; but if the Vols go undefeated, IMO, they'll be in the CFP. Who jumps them if they win out?

LSU has a pretty easy remaining schedule; but if they are in the SEC Championship game, IMO, Georgia will have little problem with them. Tennessee trounced them 40-13 a month ago. But if LSU manages to pull off the upset of Georgia it will present an interesting scenario; but I don't see them putting three SEC teams (Tennessee, Georgia, LSU) in the CFP. You're going to bump the loser of the OSU-Michigan game, who are ranked #2 and #3 in the country, out of the CFP (and rightly so); but if Georgia loses the SEC Championship, to a two-loss team, they still stay in one of the top four spots for the CFP, as well as LSU, the SEC champion?

Don't see it happening. TCU is ranked #4. If they win out - and they have #18 Texas this week, then Baylor and Iowa State - and do what needs to be done, they shouldn't be bumped by a two-loss LSU who managed an upset in the SEC Champipnship. They've left out other conference champions (PAC-12, B-12) in the past.

I always thought that late season losses were killers to a team's championship chances. If they somehow allow three SEC teams in that CFP, IMO, that would be a huge injustice to those other P5 schools whose teams were either undefeated or suffered one lone loss.

Are we sure that a 2 loss LSU would make it? A 2 loss Penn State team that won the Big Ten a few years ago didn't make it and OSU did. I agree, they won't put in 3 SEC teams but I don't think it's a given that LSU would make it

[Sea Ray]

If TCU loses and Oregon loses another game I think if the UM/OSU game is close (like within a TD either way) both teams get in.

Don't forget about UCLA and USC. If Oregon gets beat, it'll likely be to one of those teams and they'd have a resume that competes very nicely with Mich

[RedTeamGo!]

Don't forget about UCLA and USC. If Oregon gets beat, it'll likely be to one of those teams and they'd have a resume that competes very nicely with Mich

You may be right, but I just do not see a 1 loss P12 team getting in. If the committee has a 1 loss UM or OSU and a 1 loss USC (I am not even going to say UCLA - they aint getting in) they will go with who gets more eyes and the answer is 100% UM or OSU over USC.

[BuckeyeRed27]

You may be right, but I just do not see a 1 loss P12 team getting in. If the committee has a 1 loss UM or OSU and a 1 loss USC (I am not even going to say UCLA - they aint getting in) they will go with who gets more eyes and the answer is 100% UM or OSU over USC.

USC would have to beat UCLA, Oregon and ND to finish with 1 loss. And that loss would be a 1 point road loss to Utah. They are getting in for sure if they can pull that off.

[Boston Red]

This is shaping up as one of those years when an 8 or 12 team playoff would be good.

Honestly, it's actually shaping up to be one of those years where the BCS would have been just fine. Just get on with Georgia and Ohio State and spare us the wasted effort of going through with the semifinals.

[bucksfan2]

Re Tennessee, they aren't there yet. https://247sports.com/Season/2022-Football/CollegeTeamTalentComposite/

This isn't the end all be all, but they have a very good offense, but aren't as talented and as deep as Georgia. Maybe they get there, and Tennessee being good probably takes a player here or there from Ga/Bama/Clemson/etc. They do that and all of a sudden the field becomes a little more level in the SEC. Same can be said about A&M, although Fisher's offense is stuck in 2000.

[Boston Red]

Here's how goofy the bowl system can be. Liberty is currently sitting at #19 in the polls. They're looking up at Tulane at #16. ESPN's current bowl projections have Liberty playing Western Kentucky or UNLV in a bowl. If Liberty wins out (and getting past Virginia Tech isn't a given even if the Hokies are pretty bad this year) and Tulane gets out of their way (they have to beat Cincinnati and UCF still), Liberty could end up in the Cotton Bowl playing USC or Alabama. And there's really no in between option for the Flames.

Now that I'm looking at it, I'm not sure Liberty as an independent qualifies for the NY6 slot. Does that spot have to come from a team from the American, Sun Belt, MAC, C-USA or MWC?

[Sea Ray]

Re Tennessee, they aren't there yet. https://247sports.com/Season/2022-Football/CollegeTeamTalentComposite/

This isn't the end all be all, but they have a very good offense, but aren't as talented and as deep as Georgia. Maybe they get there, and Tennessee being good probably takes a player here or there from Ga/Bama/Clemson/etc. They do that and all of a sudden the field becomes a little more level in the SEC. Same can be said about A&M, although Fisher's offense is stuck in 2000.

I agree that Tennessee is short of talent. As that composite shows, UGa has 67 4 and 5 star players while Tennessee only has 26. Makes it all the more amazing that they were able to knock off Alabama. That said, two of Georgia's leading players on Saturday was McConkey, a 2 star guy and a walk on at QB.

This was the 3rd ESPN Gameday this year for the Volunteers. They've shown the nation that they've got a fun system with a an outstanding college atmosphere. They're also using the NIL rules to their advantage so I see a blueprint for becoming a recruiting monster, although it probably won't show itself much until the 2024 recruiting class

[Kingspoint]

Don't forget about UCLA and USC. If Oregon gets beat, it'll likely be to one of those teams and they'd have a resume that competes very nicely with Mich

They could easily lose to Washington or Oregon State. They've scored at least 40+ in each of their last 8 games, all wins, but as was seen this weekend across the nation, you gotta bring it every week, and Washington and Oregon State are a combined 13-5, both having been ranked in the Top-25 at some point this season. Then there's Utah that they still have to play. It's a long, long road for the Ducks just to get to the Pac-12 Championship Game, and then they have to win that, too. Based on strength of schedule and quality wins by the time the season ends, if Oregon only loses one game, they get in, and should easily, over a 1-loss Ohio State or Michigan because of the poor strength of schedule of those two teams, and the ridiculously tougher schedule of the Ducks (and a 12-game winning streak to boot, which means a whole heck of a lot).

[kaldaniels]

More than ever before it seems we are headed for 3,4 or 5 one-loss teams who will have a very legitimate claim to that final playoff spot. As mentioned, all the teams still in contention for conference titles aside, just knowing that UT has a 90%-plus probability (in my eyes) to be sitting there at the end with a great resume and just one loss tells me there will be a fair amount of drama heading into Selection Sunday.

[Hillsdale87]

I disagree....the stats support my claim, and they are taking place in the same league against similar competition. Burrows or any other of the LSU players current status in the NFL is irrelevant to comparing college football production.

Tennessee is a very good offense, with a great scheme, and very good players. They can boat race mediocre defenses. I view Tennessee a bit like the Ravens with Lamar. They can make mediocre teams look terrible, but their limitations get exposed against great teams. LSU, and Bama the following year, had the scheme plus the athletes to compete with Georgia. Those guys were on another level that Tennessee isn't at yet.

None of this is intended to be a shot at Tennessee. I still think they're a top 5 team. This is an incredible year, and it sets them up so well for the future. But this year, the lack of elite talent eventually caught up. That elite talent is coming though, and Tennessee looks like they're in great position to be a threat for a long time.

[kaldaniels]

Let me ask the crowd here - what’s the best go-to place to view strength of schedule?

[Kingspoint]

Honestly, it's actually shaping up to be one of those years where the BCS would have been just fine. Just get on with Georgia and Ohio State and spare us the wasted effort of going through with the semifinals.

Because Ohio State has played a very weak schedule which shouldn't stand for jack compared to Tennessee, for example, who have shown to be much better than Ohio State so far this season, even with the loss this weekend. Having patsies at home on your pre-conference schedule should be a negative for any team that does this. The Big-10 conference is terrible again. Two teams look good, but that's it. Illinois isn't any good as they proved this weekend. Just winning games should not count for anything. It's who you play and where you travel to and how you do in all of the games that matters, and when a loss took place that matters, too.

The Championship Game should come from the best teams in the country by the time the regular season and Conference Championship Games are over with. Teams with recent losses (any of their last four or five games) should not get in or be considered. Teams that get better and better show that they have been coached well, played well together, and developed their individual players well. They may not have had the benefit of superior talent at the beginning of a season where they win just because they are bigger and faster and have more 5-Star recruits, but they are better football teams because they did the most with the talent they have and by the end of the season they developed their teams into a Top-8 unit in the nation.

The two-team playoff system is ridiculous as it never, ever represents the best teams in the country, but only represents the teams with the easiest schedules and the most 5-Star recruits. So often, these teams have not been much better at the end of the season than they were at the beginning of the season. There should not be a reward for having mega-rich football budgets. The great thing about football is that the better team always wins a playoff game. Teams that lose who were supposed to win are over-rated by the public and the analysts. There needs to be a 12-team playoff system in the NCAA because of the great disparity of schedules that makes it impossible to compare the quality of one team versus another, which is why so many "experts at REDSZONE" had no idea what they were talking about in the NCAA football threads the last two weeks, proclaiming without a doubt that so-and-so was going to run the table.

Since not a single sole here predicted the spanking and complete dominance that Georgia put on Tennessee or that LSU would beat Alabama or that Clemson would get exposed for what they really are (one person predicted Clemson was a fake), it just goes to show that everyone here has no idea what the heck they are talking about and that they live in a fantasy world when it comes to who is better than who in College Football. It's simply not possible to tell by anyone because of the disparity of schedules. It's mostly all about prejudices where everyone's predicting comes from.

Even after being so terribly wrong about who is better than who in the NCAA Football landscape, everyone completely ignores the fact that they are clueless and are talking out of their butts, like "now they know even more than they knew last week". Nobody knows anything. Within a Conference, yes, because they play each other year after year, but outside of a conference...nobody has any idea what the heck they are talking about and if they think they do, they are delusional, which makes for most people here. Otherwise, they would have known the spanking that Notre Dame would have put on their opponent this weekend and stated so ahead of the event. But, since nobody did, nobody here knows jack about the NCAA Football landscape as a whole. Keep prognosticating like you do, though. It's very entertaining fantasy.

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Let me ask the crowd here - what’s the best go-to place to view strength of schedule?

That place does not exist, though most here thinks it exists in their own minds, especially you.

[kaldaniels]

That place does not exist, though most here thinks it exists in their own minds, especially you.

I don’t even know what this means. Is it a reference to something?

[Sea Ray]

Tennessee is a very good offense, with a great scheme, and very good players. They can boat race mediocre defenses. I view Tennessee a bit like the Ravens with Lamar. They can make mediocre teams look terrible, but their limitations get exposed against great teams. LSU, and Bama the following year, had the scheme plus the athletes to compete with Georgia. Those guys were on another level that Tennessee isn't at yet.

None of this is intended to be a shot at Tennessee. I still think they're a top 5 team. This is an incredible year, and it sets them up so well for the future. But this year, the lack of elite talent eventually caught up. That elite talent is coming though, and Tennessee looks like they're in great position to be a threat for a long time.

I would argue that LSU, Alabama and Kentucky are above mediocre defenses. An elite defense got 'em two days ago thanks to a home field advantage. 8 pre-snap penalties showed how rattled they were to play in Athens. I haven't seen a defense other than Georgia stop 'em this year.

[Sea Ray]

Has there been a close, compelling game between 2 Big Ten teams this entire season?

[RedTeamGo!]

Has there been a close, compelling game between 2 Big Ten teams this entire season?

Yes. Has there be a close compelling game for OSU or UM? Kind of. Michigan had a fight with Maryland and OSU had a fight with Penn State.

[Hillsdale87]

I would argue that LSU, Alabama and Kentucky are above mediocre defenses. An elite defense got 'em two days ago thanks to a home field advantage. 8 pre-snap penalties showed how rattled they were to play in Athens. I haven't seen a defense other than Georgia stop 'em this year.

I think they're above mediocre, but not especially good. There aren't many (any?) teams like Georgia though. Bama especially has some shockingly poor defensive numbers. Again, I have a ton of respect for Tennessee. I think they're awesome and love watching them play. They're probably one of the top 2 or 3 offenses in college football this season. I just don't think you can put them in the conversation of best college football offenses of all time.

Home field was definitely a big advantage, and I'd love to see Tennessee's offense face them again on a neutral field where the crowd and nerves aren't as big a factor. But then again, I thought Georgia could have scored a lot more on offense if they'd wanted to as well. Georgia is just really good. I do think OSU could perform better against Georgia than Tennessee mostly because OSU's talent is just a bit better, but I wouldn't expect the outcome to be much different if Georgia plays like that.

[BuckeyeRed27]

Let me ask the crowd here - what’s the best go-to place to view strength of schedule?

Sargain

http://sagarin.com/sports/cfsend.htm

[Assembly Hall]

Has there been a close, compelling game between 2 Big Ten teams this entire season?

Illinois vs. Indiana

[BuckeyeRed27]

Because Ohio State has played a very weak schedule which shouldn't stand for jack compared to Tennessee, for example, who have shown to be much better than Ohio State so far this season, even with the loss this weekend. Having patsies at home on your pre-conference schedule should be a negative for any team that does this. The Big-10 conference is terrible again. Two teams look good, but that's it. Illinois isn't any good as they proved this weekend. Just winning games should not count for anything. It's who you play and where you travel to and how you do in all of the games that matters, and when a loss took place that matters, too.

The Championship Game should come from the best teams in the country by the time the regular season and Conference Championship Games are over with. Teams with recent losses (any of their last four or five games) should not get in or be considered. Teams that get better and better show that they have been coached well, played well together, and developed their individual players well. They may not have had the benefit of superior talent at the beginning of a season where they win just because they are bigger and faster and have more 5-Star recruits, but they are better football teams because they did the most with the talent they have and by the end of the season they developed their teams into a Top-8 unit in the nation.

The two-team playoff system is ridiculous as it never, ever represents the best teams in the country, but only represents the teams with the easiest schedules and the most 5-Star recruits. So often, these teams have not been much better at the end of the season than they were at the beginning of the season. There should not be a reward for having mega-rich football budgets. The great thing about football is that the better team always wins a playoff game. Teams that lose who were supposed to win are over-rated by the public and the analysts. There needs to be a 12-team playoff system in the NCAA because of the great disparity of schedules that makes it impossible to compare the quality of one team versus another, which is why so many "experts at REDSZONE" had no idea what they were talking about in the NCAA football threads the last two weeks, proclaiming without a doubt that so-and-so was going to run the table.

Since not a single sole here predicted the spanking and complete dominance that Georgia put on Tennessee or that LSU would beat Alabama or that Clemson would get exposed for what they really are (one person predicted Clemson was a fake), it just goes to show that everyone here has no idea what the heck they are talking about and that they live in a fantasy world when it comes to who is better than who in College Football. It's simply not possible to tell by anyone because of the disparity of schedules. It's mostly all about prejudices where everyone's predicting comes from.

Even after being so terribly wrong about who is better than who in the NCAA Football landscape, everyone completely ignores the fact that they are clueless and are talking out of their butts, like "now they know even more than they knew last week". Nobody knows anything. Within a Conference, yes, because they play each other year after year, but outside of a conference...nobody has any idea what the heck they are talking about and if they think they do, they are delusional, which makes for most people here. Otherwise, they would have known the spanking that Notre Dame would have put on their opponent this weekend and stated so ahead of the event. But, since nobody did, nobody here knows jack about the NCAA Football landscape as a whole. Keep prognosticating like you do, though. It's very entertaining fantasy.

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That place does not exist, though most here thinks it exists in their own minds, especially you.

I mean I thought Georgia would beat Tennessee pretty easily, posted here that I didn’t think Alabama would get through LSU and Ole Miss without a loss and posted that I thought ND would beat Clemson.

[Sea Ray]

Yes. Has there be a close compelling game for OSU or UM? Kind of. Michigan had a fight with Maryland and OSU had a fight with Penn State.

I'll take any Big Ten game examples. Ohio State vs PSU was close for awhile but the Buckeyes were up by 20 pts before a garbage time TD made the score what it is. I agree that so far Maryland/Mich has been the best game in the conference after more than 2 months of football. That tells you something

[Sea Ray]

Illinois vs. Indiana

That was a close one. I'm not so sure it qualifies as compelling to the casual football fan. If you're a fan of IU or Illinois, sure

[Sea Ray]

I think they're above mediocre, but not especially good. There aren't many (any?) teams like Georgia though. Bama especially has some shockingly poor defensive numbers. Again, I have a ton of respect for Tennessee. I think they're awesome and love watching them play. They're probably one of the top 2 or 3 offenses in college football this season. I just don't think you can put them in the conversation of best college football offenses of all time.

Home field was definitely a big advantage, and I'd love to see Tennessee's offense face them again on a neutral field where the crowd and nerves aren't as big a factor. But then again, I thought Georgia could have scored a lot more on offense if they'd wanted to as well. Georgia is just really good. I do think OSU could perform better against Georgia than Tennessee mostly because OSU's talent is just a bit better, but I wouldn't expect the outcome to be much different if Georgia plays like that.

I wouldn't call Alabama's defense shockingly poor. Other than UT they've held all their opponents under 30 pts (in regulation). It's not as strong as some past Alabama teams but they're still one of the best in the country. Scoring 52 on them is quite a feat.

I agree, UT's offense isn't one of the best of all time. They're short a RB in order to be called that. Their RBs are somewhat pedestrian.

I think Georgia is clearly the #1 team right now. They also are a poor matchup for UT. They have the secondary to cover the Vols' WRs and they have great TEs. UT struggles to cover TEs.

As a UT fan, I do not like the prospect of them playing OSU or Mich but I do think the Vols will have a better resume than one of those teams after Thanksgiving weekend

[Hillsdale87]

I wouldn't call Alabama's defense shockingly poor. Other than UT they've held all their opponents under 30 pts (in regulation). It's not as strong as some past Alabama teams but they're still one of the best in the country. Scoring 52 on them is quite a feat.

I agree, UT's offense isn't one of the best of all time. They're short a RB in order to be called that. Their RBs are somewhat pedestrian.

I think Georgia is clearly the #1 team right now. They also are a poor matchup for UT. They have the secondary to cover the Vols' WRs and they have great TEs. UT struggles to cover TEs.

As a UT fan, I do not like the prospect of them playing OSU or Mich but I do think the Vols will have a better resume than one of those teams after Thanksgiving weekend

Alabama's defense is last in the SEC in turnovers. When I say "shockingly poor", I'm using past Bama teams as a benchmark. They're not a bad defense, just not up to the typical Saban standard.

[kaldaniels]

I may sound crazy here but I’d have Alabama as a favorite against every team except UGA on a neutral field. (That doesn’t mean they are/should go to the playoff)

They are a missed field goal and a converted 2-pt conversion away from being undefeated. They’ve had other some close calls but I still think they are really good. This just hasn’t been their year.

[RedTeamGo!]

I'll take any Big Ten game examples. Ohio State vs PSU was close for awhile but the Buckeyes were up by 20 pts before a garbage time TD made the score what it is. I agree that so far Maryland/Mich has been the best game in the conference after more than 2 months of football. That tells you something

Eh, MSU vs Illinois was a good game over the weekend. There have been multiple tight games, no point in really debating it with you, though

[Boston Red]

I may sound crazy here but I’d have Alabama as a favorite against every team except UGA on a neutral field.

Jeff Sagarin disagrees with you 100%. As in, he'd increase the number of teams favored over Alabama on a neutral field by 100% to 2: Georgia and Ohio State.

[Sea Ray]

I may sound crazy here but I’d have Alabama as a favorite against every team except UGA on a neutral field. (That doesn’t mean they are/should go to the playoff)

They are a missed field goal and a converted 2-pt conversion away from being undefeated. They’ve had other some close calls but I still think they are really good. This just hasn’t been their year.

I agree and it shows how competitive the SEC is. It's a gauntlet getting through

[Sea Ray]

Eh, MSU vs Illinois was a good game over the weekend. There have been multiple tight games, no point in really debating it with you, though

ESPN Gameday missed out on that one. Shoulda set up there for sure

The OSU-Notre Dame game was compelling and worthy of GameDay. The lack of exposure is part of what's hurting the conference in recruiting. If you're a speedy WR or a talented QB, do you want to compete in games like that (MSU-IL) or would you rather play games vs Georgia, Alabama and LSU while having ESPN Gameday a couple times a year?

[RedTeamGo!]

ESPN Gameday missed out on that one. Shoulda set up there for sure

The OSU-Notre Dame game was compelling and worthy of GameDay. The lack of exposure is part of what's hurting the conference in recruiting. If you're a speedy WR or a talented QB, do you want to compete in games like that (MSU-IL) or would you rather play games vs Georgia, Alabama and LSU while having ESPN Gameday a couple times a year?

Who in the hell is talking about Gameday? You asked if there had been any tight compelling games in the big ten. I gave examples. Now you are talking about Gameday for some unknown reason.

ESPN Gameday went to James Madison and Jackson State this year. Who gives a ****. Recruits don't care about college gameday, lmao.

Croots are staying in the south because theres tons of money being fed to them down there, they are generally from the south, they don't have to worry about academics in the least, and its warmer. This isn't exactly rocket science.

[bucksfan2]

I may sound crazy here but I’d have Alabama as a favorite against every team except UGA on a neutral field. (That doesn’t mean they are/should go to the playoff)

They are a missed field goal and a converted 2-pt conversion away from being undefeated. They’ve had other some close calls but I still think they are really good. This just hasn’t been their year.

Bama is either the most talented or second most talented team in the country. But they have struggled recently at developing skill position players. Two years in a row their leading WR came from the portal, and this year their RB came from the portal. Bryce Young covers up a ton of warts, but sometimes you watch them and you wonder what happened to all Bama's skill talent.

To play devil's advocate, they should have/could have lost to both Texas and A&M. And if Texas or A&M had any level of QB play they would have lost.

[Sea Ray]

Who in the hell is talking about Gameday? You asked if there had been any tight compelling games in the big ten. I gave examples. Now you are talking about Gameday for some unknown reason.

ESPN Gameday went to James Madison and Jackson State this year. Who gives a ****. Recruits don't care about college gameday, lmao.

Croots are staying in the south because theres tons of money being fed to them down there, they are generally from the south, they don't have to worry about academics in the least, and its warmer. This isn't exactly rocket science.

Disagree on recruits if you want but if those are the best games in your conference and it's week 2 in November, that's piss poor

[WVRed]

Disagree on recruits if you want but if those are the best games in your conference and it's week 2 in November, that's piss poor

Ohio State fans are inherently biased against College Gameday (even though they are the most featured program in its history).

Or ESPN is biased against Ohio State because they aren’t in the SEC, I don’t know which.

Unless you are looking for a reason to get sauced in the morning I don’t think Gameday is what it used to be.

[RedTeamGo!]

Ohio State fans are inherently biased against College Gameday (even though they are the most featured program in its history).

Or ESPN is biased against Ohio State because they aren’t in the SEC, I don’t know which.

Unless you are looking for a reason to get sauced in the morning I don’t think Gameday is what it used to be.

I am not biased against College Gameday, I do not think recruits care about it, do you?

[Roy Tucker]

With the Big Ten signing it’s big contract with Fox/CBS/NBC and that the SEC is being showcased on ESPN, I think it’s pretty obvious that ESPN isn’t enamored with its 2022 Big Ten games.

[Boston Red]

Unless you are looking for a reason to get sauced in the morning

Why would anyone need to look for a reason?!?

[Sea Ray]

With the Big Ten signing it’s big contract with Fox/CBS/NBC and that the SEC is being showcased on ESPN, I think it’s pretty obvious that ESPN isn’t enamored with its 2022 Big Ten games.

Gameday generally goes where the biggest game is. I'd be shocked if they don't go to Columbus on the last day of the regular season this year. Without a doubt that's where the biggest game will be that weekend. I don't think they've overlooked any big games in the Big Ten conference this year

[GAC]

Are we sure that a 2 loss LSU would make it? A 2 loss Penn State team that won the Big Ten a few years ago didn't make it and OSU did. I agree, they won't put in 3 SEC teams but I don't think it's a given that LSU would make it

I agree, and stated that they've left out conference champions before. Think about it.With five Power schools and only four slots, a conference champion will be left out. I can see Georgia and Tennesse in there. If Georgia loses to LSU, I could see them dropping them to #4, while LSU can pat themselves on the back for upsetting the #1 team in the country and get a nice Bowl bid. While the OSU/Michigan winner gets #1 ranking. TCU, if undefeated would get #2. They do not have an easy road IMO, with #24 Texas this week, and then Baylor the week after, finishing with Iowa State. Tennessee, if they finish undefeated, would move up to 3rd.

#1 OSU/Michigan vs #4 Georgia
#3 Tennessee vs #2 TCU

But I really don't see Georgia losing, so that above matchup won't come to pass. That defense is quite impressive and smothering. And then there's Stetson Bennett. Experience counts, and he's been there.

I think it may end up .... #1 Georgia vs #4 TCU #2 OSU/Michigan vs #3 Tennessee. They aren't going to have the two SEC facing off initially (imo).

[Hillsdale87]

To play devil's advocate, they should have/could have lost to both Texas and A&M. And if Texas or A&M had any level of QB play they would have lost.

They almost certainly would have lost to Texas if Ewers hadn't gotten hurt. He was rolling. Even the backup was severely hobbled. Bama has had 4 50/50 games. 2 losses seems about right


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Sargain

http://sagarin.com/sports/cfsend.htm

The computer has OSU’s schedule as more difficult than Oregon. Buckeyes 4-0 against Sagarin top 30 teams…

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[Kingspoint]

The computer has OSU’s schedule as more difficult than Oregon. Buckeyes 4-0 against Sagarin top 30 teams…

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Sea Ray is a troll, always disappointed in how many rubes take the bait

Sagarin's strength of schedule rankings are crap. Any computer model for strength of schedule making is total crap,...just a bunch of made up stats for nerds that are completely meaningless towards the true nature of the difficulty of a team's schedule. It all begins biased based on human rankings of the NCAA teams from the very first week. Then it only compounds its biased rankings from that point forward. There is absolutely nothing scientific about it. I can't believe the gullability of so many that buy into that crap. Maybe because it always supports their own personal biases.

[Kingspoint]

I mean I thought Georgia would beat Tennessee pretty easily, posted here that I didn’t think Alabama would get through LSU and Ole Miss without a loss and posted that I thought ND would beat Clemson.

Sorry I missed that. But, maybe it was you I was referring to as picking ahead of time Clemson's overrating. I think it was, as I liked that particular comment from you the other day.

[kaldaniels]

Since you seem to be here now KP, I’ll mention this again. What is this (the “especially you”) alluding to?


That place does not exist, though most here thinks it exists in their own minds, especially you.

[Kingspoint]

Since you seem to be here now KP, I’ll mention this again. What is this (the “especially you”) alluding to?

Your insistances that the four playoff teams are already made in stone and that so many were already eliminated and your despising of the Pac-12.

I thought, and still do, that Oregon's chances of reaching the playoffs are less than 50% because it's not likely that they would win all of their remaining games, but I felt, and especially do now after this last weekend, that if Oregon runs the table, they are in, and a lot of it is because of the quality of teams in the Pac-12 that they would have beaten to get there. But, you gave them 0% chance of getting in if they won all of their remaining games. You're no different than 95% of the population, who literally do not watch Pac-12 games enough on a regular basis to have a real opinion based on knowledge of the teams. That includes 85% of the analysts on TV, though there are a greater number who sacrifice sleep in order to watch the games.

Of the people who post here, I'm probably in the bottom 10% of knowledge when it comes to College Football. I admit that, but I also know that it's just not physically possible to put together any common sense approach to measuring a team's schedule strength against another team's when they are in different conferences and don't have common opponents. In the NFL, it takes about 5-6 common opponents for it to make any sense, about the same number as in college conferences, but even those common opponent games have so many variables (home or road, who is injured, who is playing well, what units are playing well and which ones aren't, a Thursday Night game with no rest, or someone coming off of a Bye). It's just not physically possible to compare schedules in College. Yes, it appears the SEC is always so much stronger (because they have more resources, better talent, more commitment from the Universities, etc.), but look at what Penn State did to Auburn when Auburn finally decided to host a Big-10 team for the first time in forever? Auburn lost. By the way....thank you Auburn for not wanting Bo Nix and pulling an Ohio State as they did with Joe Burrow. Oregon loves having Bo lead their team to an on-going opportunity to get to a Championship playoff appearance and get a win vs Georgia on a neutral site that isn't the first game of their Oregon careers for Oregon's Head Coach and Bo Nix.

[kaldaniels]

Your insistances that the four playoff teams are already made in stone and that so many were already eliminated and your despising of the Pac-12.

I thought, and still do, that Oregon's chances of reaching the playoffs are less than 50% because it's not likely that they would win all of their remaining games, but I felt, and especially do now after this last weekend, that if Oregon runs the table, they are in, and a lot of it is because of the quality of teams in the Pac-12 that they would have beaten to get there. But, you gave them 0% chance of getting in if they won all of their remaining games. You're no different than 95% of the population, who literally do not watch Pac-12 games enough on a regular basis to have a real opinion based on knowledge of the teams. That includes 85% of the analysts on TV, though there are a greater number who sacrifice sleep in order to watch the games.

Of the people who post here, I'm probably in the bottom 10% of knowledge when it comes to College Football. I admit that, but I also know that it's just not physically possible to put together any common sense approach to measuring a team's schedule strength against another team's when they are in different conferences and don't have common opponents. In the NFL, it takes about 5-6 common opponents for it to make any sense, about the same number as in college conferences, but even those common opponent games have so many variables (home or road, who is injured, who is playing well, what units are playing well and which ones aren't, a Thursday Night game with no rest, or someone coming off of a Bye). It's just not physically possible to compare schedules in College. Yes, it appears the SEC is always so much stronger (because they have more resources, better talent, more commitment from the Universities, etc.), but look at what Penn State did to Auburn when Auburn finally decided to host a Big-10 team for the first time in forever? Auburn lost. By the way....thank you Auburn for not wanting Bo Nix and pulling an Ohio State as they did with Joe Burrow. Oregon loves having Bo lead their team to an on-going opportunity to get to a Championship playoff appearance and get a win vs Georgia on a neutral site that isn't the first game of their Oregon careers for Oregon's Head Coach and Bo Nix.

Yeah, I don’t think you are accurately reflecting my position at all. I’ve never put anything nor would I put anything “in stone.” NCAAF is too wacky to put things in stone or make dramatic declarations. The furthest I’ve gone is to say I am pretty sure UT will win the rest of its games.

I put forth a scenario where I said the PAC 10 teams wouldn’t have a chance to get in but it was just a scenario (and frankly one that I feared where 3 1-loss SEC teams would be staking a claim for a playoff bid). (I’m not a SEC fan at all)

Oregon has played it self back into contention and in combo with the Bama/Clemson losses they are right back in contention.

But to emphasize, I’m a chill guy and welcome discussion…but I still don’t know why you felt the need for that zinger towards me. Not this year but in years past I have spoken on here that I love watching (and still watch) the late PAC-10 games. If you feel the need search and you’ll find it. The PAC-10 is a fun conference.

“Despise the PAC-10”….it’s laughable putting those words in my mouth.

[kaldaniels]

Do you mind squaring this up KP?


If Oregon only loses one game, they get in, and should easily, over a 1-loss Ohio State or Michigan because of the poor strength of schedule of those two teams, and the ridiculously tougher schedule of the Ducks


I admit that, but I also know that it's just not physically possible to put together any common sense approach to measuring a team's schedule strength against another team's when they are in different conferences and don't have common opponents.

Oregon would have a great case (not saying who would/should get in…I’ll cross that bridge when it happens) against OSU or UM there but I don’t follow your logic at all.

[RedTeamGo!]

The pac 12 has not won a bowl game since January 1st, 2020. To put that in perspective, since before the COVID-19 pandemic touched the United States.

[kaldaniels]

The pac 12 has not won a bowl game since January 1st, 2020. To put that in perspective, since before the COVID-19 pandemic touched the United States.

Maybe KP is confusing me with you. :laugh:

[Kingspoint]

The pac 12 has not won a bowl game since January 1st, 2020. To put that in perspective, since before the COVID-19 pandemic touched the United States.

Which has nothing to do with the 2022 season. Bo Nix played for Auburn in 2020 and 2021. UCLA has improved dramatically, as has Washington and Oregon State. Utah is good and so is USC. Of those six teams, I'll be shocked if they don't win four bowl games between them, even if three of the six are not on a neutral site (played in the South against a South team, for example).

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Maybe KP is confusing me with you. :laugh:

Like it said, the prejudices and biases against the Western teams not in LA covers 95% of the Nation. It has for 120 years and it hasn't changed one bit. Thankfully, there's a committe to decide the playoffs that doesn't share those biases. But, nothing will be a decent measure of the best team in the land until there's a 12-team playoff format. In football, the best team always wins a playoff system that has more teams in it.

[Sea Ray]

The computer has OSU’s schedule as more difficult than Oregon. Buckeyes 4-0 against Sagarin top 30 teams…

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Sea Ray is a troll, always disappointed in how many rubes take the bait

What does Sea Ray have to do with all this?

[Sea Ray]

The ratings sure vary. Sagrin has Wisconsin rated as the 20th best team while RPI has them in the mid 50s. RPI shows OSU's schedule to be 99th in the country, Oregon at 90

http://realtimerpi.com/college_football/ncaaf_power_rankings1.html

[BuckeyeRed27]

The ratings sure vary. Sagrin has Wisconsin rated as the 20th best team while RPI has them in the mid 50s. RPI shows OSU's schedule to be 99th in the country, Oregon at 90

http://realtimerpi.com/college_football/ncaaf_power_rankings1.html

RPI is a useless metric for football. The sample size isn’t nearly big enough.

[Boston Red]

RPI is a useless metric

I fixed that for you!

[dfs]

In football, the best team always wins a playoff system that has more teams in it.

Why would anyone think that?

It's pretty clear that on any given day a bad team can beat a good team. That's why they play the games.

[RedTeamGo!]

Which has nothing to do with the 2022 season. Bo Nix played for Auburn in 2020 and 2021. UCLA has improved dramatically, as has Washington and Oregon State. Utah is good and so is USC. Of those six teams, I'll be shocked if they don't win four bowl games between them, even if three of the six are not on a neutral site (played in the South against a South team, for example).

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Like it said, the prejudices and biases against the Western teams not in LA covers 95% of the Nation. It has for 120 years and it hasn't changed one bit. Thankfully, there's a committe to decide the playoffs that doesn't share those biases. But, nothing will be a decent measure of the best team in the land until there's a 12-team playoff format. In football, the best team always wins a playoff system that has more teams in it.

The fact I posted explains why people don’t respect the pac 12 in 2022. Because the conference has been a dumpster fire for years.

Also, the fact you are saying everyone else is biased with regard to the pac 12 is peak irony.

[Sea Ray]

Why would anyone think that?

It's pretty clear that on any given day a bad team can beat a good team. That's why they play the games.

There really aren't many upsets in college football these days. We rarely see a bad team beating a good team.

[Rojo Rijo]

How I see things playing out:

Current AP Rankings:
1 - Georgia
2 - Ohio State
3 - Michigan
4 - TCU

5 - Tennessee
6 - Oregon
7 - LSU
8 - USC
9 - UCLA
10 - Alabama
11 - Ole Miss
12 - Clemson
13 - Utah

Everyone else is eliminated beyond that, mostly because of their inability to get to their CCG.
1 - Georgia is full steam ahead, they will not lose again before the CFP and I don't expect they'll lose there either. - LOCK
2 - Michigan/Ohio State winner will be there. Loser will not - LOCK
3 - Tennessee. They can thank LSU and Notre Dame. They may have the easiest path to the CFP. Just dont slip up to Mizzou, SC, or Vandy....LOCK

Candidates for #4
TCU - last 5 wins - 7 pts, 3 points, 10 points, 10 points, 10 points. Road games vs. BIG12 #2 Texas and #3 Baylor. TCU will lose one of those games. OUT
Oregon - If they win out they have the same benefit as Tennessee of their only loss being to Georgia in Georgias territory. Remaining schedule looks like 7-2 Washington, 7-2 Utah, at 6-3 Oregon St. and if they win out a PAC12 CG vs. the winner of USC vs. UCLA. Oregon's recent schedule has been too easy. Of their last 5 they played at UCLA and the other 4 were against the bottom 4 teams in the PAC. They'll lose again and the committee won't be able to ignore how badly Georgia mauled them opening weekend. OUT
LSU - 2 Losses already. Road games at Arkansas and A&M left. Won't matter if they win out unless they can conjure up some serious magic to beat Georgia in the SECCG. Not likely. OUT
USC/UCLA - - Michigan vs. Ohio St lite. They play in 2 weeks, loser is out, winner vs. Oregon or Utah in PACCG (my guess is Utah). USC also sees Notre Dame come to LA. Loser of USC/UCLA OUT
Utah - - Winner of them vs. Oregon advances to PACCG against winner of UCLA/USC. Loser of PAC CG is OUT

Longshots
Alabama - Could crawl back into the conversation only if they win out (@Ole Miss this weekend) and LSU losses at Arkansas and at A&M, and they go to Atlanta and beat Georgia. Not going to happen. OUT
Clemson - They tumbled but if they win out (UL, UM, SC, ACC CG vs. UNC) it's not impossible - MAYBE
Ole Miss - Would need to win out (v. Bama, at Arkansas, Egg bowl) and LSU would have to drop one of 2 remaining conf. games - at A&M or at Arkansas, for Ole Miss to make the SEC CG and would then have to beat Georgia. Ole Miss will not win out. OUT

I think it comes down to this
1 - Georgia
2 - Ohio St/Mich winner
3 - Tennessee
4 - PAC12 winner if they win out, if not then Clemson if they win out and have some decisive wins over teams they should beat.
*If neither of those scenarios plays out then it'll be chaos. Won't matter either way since Georgia will be waiting to feast on whoever makes #4.

[Boston Red]

Oregon - If they win out they have the same benefit as Tennessee of their only loss being to Georgia, though Oregon's was a shellacking in their own home.

*If neither of those scenarios plays out then it'll be chaos.

Good breakdown. Just a couple of points: first, pretty sure the Oregon/Georgia season opening game was in Atlanta. Also, agree there is a the potential for chaos, but the other scenario (that I agree with you is unlikely) that would actually be the tidiest is TCU just winning out. That would simplify things significantly.

[Sea Ray]

What I've learned is that these hypotheticals never pan out. Surprises happen. Let's sit back and enjoy this month

[Roy Tucker]

What I've learned is that these hypotheticals never pan out. Surprises happen. Let's sit back and enjoy this month

Yep. No matter how gifted these athletes are, they still are 18-22 year olds and can be knuckleheads. Lots of variation.

[Rojo Rijo]

Good breakdown. Just a couple of points: first, pretty sure the Oregon/Georgia season opening game was in Atlanta. Also, agree there is a the potential for chaos, but the other scenario (that I agree with you is unlikely) that would actually be the tidiest is TCU just winning out. That would simplify things significantly.

You're right. Good point. Makes a big difference. Pretty much a home game for Georgia. I'll need to adjust my statement.

I do agree that TCU winning out would simplify everything, but I just can't see them going on the road two weekends in a row at Texas and at Baylor and winning both those games as well as those two teams are playing.

This year would be perfect to have more than 4 teams.

[GAC]

Of the people who post here, I'm probably in the bottom 10% of knowledge when it comes to College Football. I admit that, but I also know that it's just not physically possible to put together any common sense approach to measuring a team's schedule strength against another team's when they are in different conferences and don't have common opponents.

I agree with this. They do the best they can though with the resources that are provided by imperfect humans. Remember, it still comes down to a "best guess" scenario (imo). Do SoS's get you at least in the ball park where one can make a common sense decision based on what's provided them?

I still carry the mindset that one can't realy evaluate how good/bad a team is when they're padding their stats the first month (a 1/3) of the season with cup cake games. Add to that a mediocre schedule, and it's not as hard to run through your conference, go undefeated, and possibly qualify for the CFP.

I really don't know how good Ohio State and Michigan really are. But I've seen enough of teams like Georgia, vs quality opponents, to cpome to a more "vcalued" conclusion that they are the team to beat, and odds on favorite to repeat. We saw how good they are when they smothered the highest scoring team in college football, and pretty much dominated them. And Tennessee is no slouch. :)

[Assembly Hall]

I agree with this. They do the best they can though with the resources that are provided by imperfect humans. Remember, it still comes down to a "best guess" scenario (imo). Do SoS's get you at least in the ball park where one can make a common sense decision based on what's provided them?

I still carry the mindset that one can't realy evaluate how good/bad a team is when they're padding their stats the first month (a 1/3) of the season with cup cake games. Add to that a mediocre schedule, and it's not as hard to run through your conference, go undefeated, and possibly qualify for the CFP.

I really don't know how good Ohio State and Michigan really are. But I've seen enough of teams like Georgia, vs quality opponents, to cpome to a more "vcalued" conclusion that they are the team to beat, and odds on favorite to repeat. We saw how good they are when they smothered the highest scoring team in college football, and pretty much dominated them. And Tennessee is no slouch. :)

The same Tennessee team that needed OT to beat Pitt?

[RedTeamGo!]

The same Tennessee team that needed OT to beat Pitt?

This. I think people have bought in to the eSECpn hype on Tenn a bit too much.

[Assembly Hall]

This. I think people have bought in to the eSECpn hype on Tenn a bit too much.

Oh, I think the Vols are legit. Just pointing out that they damn near got beat by Pitt.

[Sea Ray]

Oh, I think the Vols are legit. Just pointing out that they damn near got beat by Pitt.

Pitt was very early in the year, on the road and yeah, things can happen. If we want to look at schedules in depth, Tennessee's stands up quite nicely. Two wins over CFP top ten teams is pretty impressive

[bucksfan2]

Oh, I think the Vols are legit. Just pointing out that they damn near got beat by Pitt.

I think Tenn is good, but with some major warts. They finally got Bama in a down year, should go 11-1, and have an outside shot at the CFP. Of the teams that you would "want" to play in the playoff, Tenn would be a scary team to match up against.

[Assembly Hall]

Pitt was very early in the year, on the road and yeah, things can happen.

I get all that. But that close win is still on the resume for those that want to speculate, analyze, and critique.

[Sea Ray]

I get all that. But that close win is still on the resume for those that want to speculate, analyze, and critique.

I sure don't think Tennessee is the top team in the country this year. I think that resume will look good vs other contenders for the 4th spot in the CFP but I'm not even sure if that's what's best for the program. Maybe it'd be best to go to the Sugar Bowl and come home with a win vs a Big12 team

[Assembly Hall]

I think Tenn is good, but with some major warts. They finally got Bama in a down year, should go 11-1, and have an outside shot at the CFP. Of the teams that you would "want" to play in the playoff, Tenn would be a scary team to match up against.

LOL. I have 2 flag poles here at my house. One waves an IU flag the other waves a Tennessee flag. Believe it or not they both get equal grief. A lot of my neighbors are UK fans.

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I sure don't think Tennessee is the top team in the country this year. I think that resume will look good vs other contenders for the 4th spot in the CFP but I'm not even sure if that's what's best for the program. Maybe it'd be best to go to the Sugar Bowl and come home with a win vs a Big12 team

Naw......I want a national championship!

[Rojo Rijo]

Tennessee is completely legit.
5 wins over ranked teams and held Georgia to 27 points in Athens. The same Georgia team that walloped Oregon 49-3 in Atlanta.
Tennessee beat LSU by 27 points in Baton Rouge.
They are the 2nd best team in the SEC and it's not really close.

[Sea Ray]

LOL. I have 2 flag poles here at my house. One waves an IU flag the other waves a Tennessee flag. Believe it or not they both get equal grief. A lot of my neighbors are UK fans.

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Naw......I want a national championship!

I don't think they can win a NC with a #18 ranked athletes (recruiting). That pretty much never happens

[Assembly Hall]

I don't think they can win a NC with a #18 ranked athletes (recruiting). That pretty much never happens

Win it or not, I want to be in the CFP.

[Sea Ray]

Win it or not, I want to be in the CFP.

I like their chances of being either the 3 or 4 seed

[Assembly Hall]

I like their chances of being either the 3 or 4 seed

I think the Vols are on a collision course with tOSU.

[Chip R]

So, this happened re: MSU/UM brawl. :eek:



https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FhD7g0OXgAkJlEP?format=jpg

[Boston Red]

This lawyer seems bad.

[Chip R]

This lawyer seems bad.

Also from him:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FhEE2iRWAAMHGoV?format=jpg&name=small

[westofyou]

"I read it in the New York Post!!"

~ Joe Lunchbox

[cumberlandreds]

This lawyer seems bad.

Ambulance chaser.

[UKFlounder]

Or attention *****



Ambulance chaser.

[*BaseClogger*]

Really makes you wonder though. As plenty of people were quick to point out, that tunnel has been a problem for years...

[RedTeamGo!]

Michigan State totally sucks, but I do find it hard to believe 10 guys started swinging their helmets at 1 guy over some harsh words.

[Hillsdale87]

Tennessee is completely legit.
5 wins over ranked teams and held Georgia to 27 points in Athens. The same Georgia team that walloped Oregon 49-3 in Atlanta.
Tennessee beat LSU by 27 points in Baton Rouge.
They are the 2nd best team in the SEC and it's not really close.

Not even close? They beat Bama by 3 at home on a last second field goal... They're very good. Nobody else in the SEC being close is inaccurate.

I think it could be an interesting debate between Tennessee and the loser of the OSU/UM game if that ends up being a narrow loss. For instance, if Michigan loses by 3 on a last second field goal on the road, that's about as good a loss as a team could have. I think I'd probably still lean Tennessee, but I think it's close. What'll be interesting is if TCU loses. I think the #2 teams in the B10 and SEC are better than whoever will win the B12 and P12, but I'm not sure the committee would make it a B10 vs SEC championship


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[Kingspoint]

Why would anyone think that?

It's pretty clear that on any given day a bad team can beat a good team. That's why they play the games.

Not in football at the end of a season. (not talking about Bowl games when there are many weeks between their last game and their Bowl game). In November and December, at the end of 60 minutes, the best team always wins.

[Kingspoint]

Also, the fact you are saying everyone else is biased with regard to the pac 12 is peak irony. But, they are. It's common knowledge. They make judgements without any personal viewing of the games. They certainly do not see them in person...ever. Seeing a game on television isn't close to understanding them by seeing a game in person. You get a much better understanding of a team seeing them in person, but 95% of the nation has always tried to equate their personal viewing of a team and teams they get to see in person with snippets of Pac-12 games they see on a television screen.

The bias has always been there, for 120 years, and it's never gotten any better because the conditions are still the same. They do not attend the Pac-12 games in person to see the teams. It's why they are always wrong when it comes to betting on them. It's why the Blazers exceed the win totals every season (barring catastrophic injuries),...because 95% of fans see so little of them in person, even on television, but they see in person and on television repeatedly most of the other teams. Their judgement is skewed because they try to equate limited television viewing of non-LA teams in the West with volume in person and television viewing of all other teams.

[GAC]

This. I think people have bought in to the eSECpn hype on Tenn a bit too much.

I don't watch ESPN. What hype is there about facts? Tennessee is the highest scoring offense in college football. And regardless of how one feels about 'Bama (not a fan), that when the Vols beat them, Alabama was #3 in the nation. And for most of the season, up to that point, had jostled back and forth with Georgia for #1. Four of the Vols opponents this season (won 3, lost 1) are not only currently ranked in the top 25; but three are top 10 (Georgia, LSU, 'Bama). And that LSU team that just beat 'Bama, and is currently ranked #7, got destroyed by the Vols 40-13 earlier in the year.

There's no hype in what Tennessee has accomplished this year IMO. They simply lost to a darn good Georgia team, the reigning national champs, who was also playing at home. You can ask anyone on here who knows me, and you won't find a bigger B10/OSU fan on here. Been one since the mid-60s. My "problem" is - I'm not afraid to criticize my team. I live right in the heart of Buckeye country (central Ohia), and know way too many fans that will tell you you aren't a fan if you disgree/criticize your team. ;)

I think we've all watched a good share of games involving the top teams. Wouldn't you all agree? But I watch a majority of the P5 schools, and espcially the B10 and SEC. Just my opinion, based on observation, but I think the B10 is simply having an "off" year overall, as far as the rest of the conference is concerned. Sure, Ohio State and Michigan are damn good programs, and put a quality product on the field. And they're #2 and #3 respectively.

But when I look at who they have played within the conference vs intra-conference play in the SEC? There's no comparison this year (IMO), because so many B10 programs are having a down year (Wisconsin, MSU, Iowa). Teams like Georgia and Tennessee have been tested over and over this season. That's my only question (concern) with OSU and Michigan. Have they really been tested, and how would they hold up in the CFP? I've heard people say the reason OSU struggled vs Iowa and PSU was because of their defense's. I agree. Have you seen Georgia's defense? Wow!

[GAC]

I like their chances of being either the 3 or 4 seed

If the Vols win their remaining 3 games, and the loser of the OSU/Michigan game is dropped out, Tenn should move up to slot #4. Only logical move IMO.

BUT ... that then represents a scenario that TV/sports media don't want to see occur ... a 1st round face off between two SEC teams. I personally don't care. If that's how it ends up, that's how it ends up. Is there a vaild argument, at that stage, that the Vols aren't the #4 team in the country? Then who?

[RedTeamGo!]

But, they are. It's common knowledge. They make judgements without any personal viewing of the games. They certainly do not see them in person...ever. Seeing a game on television isn't close to understanding them by seeing a game in person. You get a much better understanding of a team seeing them in person, but 95% of the nation has always tried to equate their personal viewing of a team and teams they get to see in person with snippets of Pac-12 games they see on a television screen.

The bias has always been there, for 120 years, and it's never gotten any better because the conditions are still the same. They do not attend the Pac-12 games in person to see the teams. It's why they are always wrong when it comes to betting on them. It's why the Blazers exceed the win totals every season (barring catastrophic injuries),...because 95% of fans see so little of them in person, even on television, but they see in person and on television repeatedly most of the other teams. Their judgement is skewed because they try to equate limited television viewing of non-LA teams in the West with volume in person and television viewing of all other teams.

The “bias” is there because the pac 12 has been getting pantsed by other p5 conference teams on national tv for years.

[GAC]

Oregon did a number on us last year at home 35-28. ;)

But the PAC-12, as far as quality football, has been down for some years overall.

[RedTeamGo!]

Oregon did a number on us last year at home 35-28. ;)

But the PAC-12, as far as quality football, has been down for some years overall.

I knew someone was going to bring up that game. It took the worst OSU defense I have seen in my life and they still had a chance to tie it at the end. That is 1 of like 50. Like I said a couple pages ago, the pac 12 has literally not won ONE bowl game since January 1, 2020.

[Assembly Hall]

Cowherd says the best team in the land is?....................................Michigan.

[RedTeamGo!]

Cowherd says the best team in the land is?....................................Michigan.

lol, Cowherd is a joke, and not because of this take.

[Assembly Hall]

lol, Cowherd is a joke, and not because of this take.

LOL...well each to their own.

[GAC]

Who listens to Cow Terd? LOL

[Assembly Hall]

Who listens to Cow Terd? LOL

I listen to them all except your boy, Paul Finebaum.

[Kingspoint]

I knew someone was going to bring up that game. It took the worst OSU defense I have seen in my life and they still had a chance to tie it at the end. That is 1 of like 50. Like I said a couple pages ago, the pac 12 has literally not won ONE bowl game since January 1, 2020.

1 in 50. That's a right. Nice trying to make excuses for losing a home game.

[RedTeamGo!]

1 in 50. That's a right. Nice trying to make excuses for losing a home game.

You misunderstood my comment. Not saying 1 in 50 Oregon vs OSU. That day OSU loses 9 out of 10 times because of the pathetic defensive scheme. I am saying that’s like 1 of 50 games the pac 12 has won against other P5 teams the last several years.

[Kingspoint]

You misunderstood my comment. Not saying 1 in 50 Oregon vs OSU. That day OSU loses 9 out of 10 times because of the pathetic defensive scheme. I am saying that’s like 1 of 50 games the pac 12 has won against other P5 teams the last several years.

I know that's what you meant. That's why I laughed so hard.

[RedTeamGo!]

I know that's what you meant. That's why I laughed so hard.

Again, haven’t won a bowl game in going on 3 years.

[kaldaniels]

Texas -7.5 vs TCU….interesting.

And a big PAC-10 battle tonight as the mighty :laugh: Buffaloes travel to the Coliseum to take on the Trojans. So any of you “never watch the PAC-10” guys may want to tune in on FS1. Oh wait - it doesn’t count unless your are there in person. Scratch that.

[Kingspoint]

Again, haven’t won a bowl game in going on 3 years.

...because they weren't good enough.

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Texas -7.5 vs TCU….interesting.

And a big PAC-10 battle tonight as the mighty :laugh: Buffaloes travel to the Coliseum to take on the Trojans. So any of you “never watch the PAC-10” guys may want to tune in on FS1. Oh wait - it doesn’t count unless your are there in person. Scratch that.

And, how did that Big Powerhouse Ohio State do against their 1-win opponent last week? They stunk it up. Oregon played with Colorado last week practicing gimmick plays while taking care of business as a real powerhouse should against a 1-win team at this time of the year.

[RedTeamGo!]

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And, how did that Big Powerhouse Ohio State do against their 1-win opponent last week? They stunk it up. Oregon played with Colorado last week practicing gimmick plays while taking care of business as a real powerhouse should against a 1-win team at this time of the year.

Was it 60 mph winds and raining in that one?

[kaldaniels]

...because they weren't good enough.

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And, how did that Big Powerhouse Ohio State do against their 1-win opponent last week? They stunk it up. Oregon played with Colorado last week practicing gimmick plays while taking care of business as a real powerhouse should against a 1-win team at this time of the year.

If you want to know why I made that remark I was just laughing as I decided to watch (a fair amount, I’m not a glutton for punishment) the game tonight thinking, I’ve (or the forum in general) have been accused of not even paying attention to the PAC-12…but wait it doesn’t count because I’m not there in person!

[kaldaniels]

Now without trying to stir the pot I’m going to counter against RTG a bit here.

Go back, I’m on record. Bowl games don’t matter. The only postseason games I put stock into for judging a program are the playoff games. No one games about the other games. So many guys duck out. So…if the PAC-10 hasn’t won a bowl game in 2-3 years, I don’t care. I used to claim that premier games like a good Rose Bowl matchup did matter a bit but even prestigious games have fallen by the wayside (in terms of teams and players giving their all).

I would beg the question - why aren’t their teams making the playoff? That’s valid.

[kaldaniels]

I also remember watching the late USC games during the Pete Carroll era thinking - no one was gonna come close to knocking USC off the national mountaintop for a decade. They were that good. Then Pete left.

Proof I’m watching live - the game is now delayed due to a drone flying overhead.

[KronoRed]

Proof I’m watching live - the game is now delayed due to a drone flying overhead.

Again? seems to happen a lot in pac 12 games.

[kaldaniels]

Again? seems to happen a lot in pac 12 games.

Am I wrong in that my first thought was that a drone wouldn’t last long in the air in SEC country?

[Kingspoint]

Was it 60 mph winds and raining in that one?

No. But, it was in the Oregon State at Washington game last Friday.

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I also remember watching the late USC games during the Pete Carroll era thinking - no one was gonna come close to knocking USC off the national mountaintop for a decade. They were that good. Then Pete left.

Proof I’m watching live - the game is now delayed due to a drone flying overhead.

The LA teams always get watched. That's why I always excluded the LA teams from bias discrimination. It's too bad they've sucked for a long time now because it's the LA teams that the rest of the country uses as a barometer for the teams out West and Oregon has beaten UCLA 19 of 22 times during this millenium, so it doesn't mean that much. It's not like beating Purdue, but it's like beating Michigan State over that same period.

[Kingspoint]

Now without trying to stir the pot I’m going to counter against RTG a bit here.

Go back, I’m on record. Bowl games don’t matter. The only postseason games I put stock into for judging a program are the playoff games. I completely agree with this because of the break between their last game and their bowl game and so often, the bowl game is not a neutral site, but it's mostly because of the time between games for a team. Teams are always going both ways in the NFL regarding giving their Starters time off the last regular season game for this reason.

[*BaseClogger*]

Oregon has beaten UCLA 19 of 22 times during this millenium, so it doesn't mean that much. It's not like beating Purdue, but it's like beating Michigan State over that same period.

Beating UCLA over the last 22 years has absolutely been equivalent to beating Purdue. There is a gap the size of Urban Meyer’s ego between where the UCLA football program and Michigan State have been over the last 22 years…

[Kingspoint]

Beating UCLA over the last 22 years has absolutely been equivalent to beating Purdue. There is a gap the size of Urban Meyer’s ego between where the UCLA football program and Michigan State have been over the last 22 years…

I would have guessed that the Top-25 finishes of the two Universities is within one of each other over the last 22 years. I suppose I could go count them. There's little need to count Purdue.

[Danny Serafini]

Over the past 22 years Michigan State has been in the year end AP top 25 8 times, UCLA 3 and Purdue 2. Back it up another 3 years and UCLA and Purdue are tied at 5.

[KronoRed]

I would have guessed that the Top-25 finishes of the two Universities is within one of each other over the last 22 years. I suppose I could go count them. There's little need to count Purdue.

Top 25 finishes since 2000 (AP Poll)

UCLA (https://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/schools/ucla/) 3
Purdue (https://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/schools/purdue/) 2
Michigan State (https://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/schools/michigan-state/) 8

[Assembly Hall]

Am I wrong in that my first thought was that a drone wouldn’t last long in the air in SEC country?

Hey y'all watch this. <shotgun goes off> Dead drone.

[Kingspoint]

Beating UCLA over the last 22 years has absolutely been equivalent to beating Purdue. There is a gap the size of Urban Meyer’s ego between where the UCLA football program and Michigan State have been over the last 22 years…

Shoot me for comparing a quality Michigan State football program to that crap organization that is the UCLA Bruins. That gap is larger than you say. They are different universes.

So, I did look every Final ranking up since 2000, and the results are that Michigan State's results are slightly less than Stanford's. Stanford finished with 2 in the Top-4, 4 in the Top-7, 6 in the Top-12 and 8 in the Top-25. The Spartans of Michigan State finished with 1 in the Top-4, 2 in the Top-6, 4 in the Top-10, 7 in the Top-15 and 8 in the Top-25.

From Top to Bottom both Conferences:

(Number followed by "Top-whatever", as in 10-4, which translates as 10 in the Top-4)

1. Ohio State (10-4, 15-5, 18-12)
2. USC (8-4, 9-6, 14-22)
3. Oregon (5-4, 6-5, 12-13, 15-25)
4. Stanford (2-4, 4-7, 6-12, 8-25)
Tie-5. Michigan (1-4, 2-7, 5-10, 9-15, 14-25) Michigan has always benefitted in the polls by playing Ohio State last. If they ever played them real early, they'd get the treatment the Ducks have gotten all season. They always lose to the Buckeyes and will again because they really aren't anywhere close to as good as they are nearly every single year. It's a hyped-up game that has no business being hyped up as once should be if they had split the last 22 games, but that's clearly not the case. Until last year, Michigan hadn't even finished in the Top-5 this Millenium. It happened 39 times to the other Pac-12 and Big-10 schools. Among the Top-teams in theses two conferences, a Tie for 5th is where they are at because Michigan State is right there with them as far as number of quality finishes is concerned, while Stanford has twice as many Top-4 and twice as many Top-7 finishes.
Tie-5. Michigan State (1-4, 2-6, 5-11, 7-15, 8-25)
7. Notre Dame (2-5, 5-12, 6-20) Only in the Conference since 2011, half of the years, they already have as good a resume as Michigan and Michigan State, and while ND has composed their 5 Top-12 finishes in the last 6 years, Michigan State has composed it's five top-11 finishes since 2011. Michigan has only had two Top-11 finishes since 2008. Penn State's had 5 Top-9 finishes to Michigan's 1 since 2008, just to put into perspective how Michigan is not as great of a program as they have been perceived for a 14-year stretch until last season and this season.

A big drop-off occurs after this as it begins with three schools that have had the same trouble as Michigan (until last season),...not getting into the elite rankings.

8. Penn State (1-4, 6-9, 9-25) A school should get a lot of credit for finishing as a Top-4. That's worth more than never getting a Top-6 finish, but several more 15-25 rankings.
9. Wisconsin (0-6, 6-11, 14-25) Another school that benefits from early rankings where they get to beat up on a lot of bad schools all year until they have to face the Michigan schools, Penn State and Ohio State. But, getting a couple of conference losses doesn't knock these schools out of the Top-25 because it's not looked at as being damaging as much, which has a ton of bias in it because it's based on pre-season rankings. Boise State and BYU suffered many times from this, while BYU also wasn't as good at times as they were ranked, while the same went for Notre Dame for years. Losing at home should knock any team out of the top-15, no matter who beats them and completely out of the top-25, no matter who beats them, if it's a beatdown.
10. Iowa (0-6, 4-10, 9-25) Another volume ranking, but not an elite finish. See above. A very good program, like Wisconsin, but no elite rankings.
11. Washington (2-4, 4-16, 6-25) Their woman A.D. tried to kill the program. She basically succeeded. They've started to come back the last 9 years with three Top-16 and 1 Top-4.
12. Utah (5-17, 6-25) All of this is since 2014 after they joined in 2011. They had several Top-10 finishes including a Top-4 before they joined during this millenium, so this school, like Notre Dame, would be ranked higher if they both had been in these conferences since 2000.
13. Washington State (4-10) Only one Top-10 ranking since 2004, so it's been a program that has been bad for a long time.
14. Oregon State (1-4, 5-25) That Top-4 was from 2000, so they've been a middle-of-the-pack to bottom-of-the pack team for most of the time, while not having a Top-25 ranking since 2012.
15. Northwestern (1-10, 5-25) While Northwestern's rankings have all come since 2012, Oregon State still gets more credit for the Steven Jackson/Ocho-Cinco/Housh season, when they actually had the best team in the country, but didn't get a chance to play in the Championship game (they put the beat-down on Notre Dame in the Fiesta Bowl).
16. Arizona State (4-21)
17. UCLA (3-16)
18. California (2-14, 3-25)
19. Minnesota (1-10, 2-20)
20. Illinois (1-12, 2-20)
21. Purdue (1-13, 2-18) Illinois' last Top-25 appearance is 4 years sooner than Purdue's.
22. Nebraska (2-25) But, they are 24th and 25th, and a decade ago.
23. Colorado (1-17)
24. Arizona (1-19)
25. Maryland (0-0)
26. Rutgers (0-0)
27. Johns Hopkins (0-0) Do they even have a football team?

[adkindo]

Just a small bit of info for WVU and Cincinnati fans.....the Big12 in working on and finalizing some scheduling aspects for the future conference as a 12 team conference. As a 12 team conference, they can no longer play a round robin schedule so they have decided to ensure teams play each other at least one time every two years, and each team will have an assigned "rival" they play every season. As expected, WVU and Cincinnati will be paired to play each season. Personally I was hoping for UCF for selfish reasons....a local WVU game every other year, but Cincinnati is far more logical for the majority of fans. My understanding is that even if the conference expands to 14 teams at some point, this aspect will remain a part of scheduling.

[BuckeyeRed27]

Just a small bit of info for WVU and Cincinnati fans.....the Big12 in working on and finalizing some scheduling aspects for the future conference as a 12 team conference. As a 12 team conference, they can no longer play a round robin schedule so they have decided to ensure teams play each other at least one time every two years, and each team will have an assigned "rival" they play every season. As expected, WVU and Cincinnati will be paired to play each season. Personally I was hoping for UCF for selfish reasons....a local WVU game every other year, but Cincinnati is far more logical for the majority of fans. My understanding is that even if the conference expands to 14 teams at some point, this aspect will remain a part of scheduling.

It’s hard to drum up a rivalry from scratch but UC and WVU could be a fun one.

[adkindo]

https://twitter.com/CountryRoads2/status/1591459222935719936

[Assembly Hall]

https://twitter.com/CountryRoads2/status/1591459222935719936

Would you guys be interested in Tom Allen for your next HC?

[adkindo]

It’s hard to drum up a rivalry from scratch but UC and WVU could be a fun one.

Tell me about it.....been trying to form a rivalry in the Big12 for over a decade and one has never really materialized. Still not sure TV execs fully understand this....and if they do, not sure they care. It has been tough for fans to leave a conference with some many major and secondary rivalries on the schedule every year, and go over a decade without a decent rivalry. In the Big East, Pitt and Va. Tech was the season most years.....they there was Cuse and BC who were somewhat secondary rivalries. On top of that, we played a non-con rival in Maryland every season. WVU passionately hated Miami, but they did not care enough about us for it to be a rivalry. Still, that is over half of the schedule that had real single game meaning for WVU fans every season....good or bad. Now, Oklahoma and Texas are kind of like Miami is that we hate them which makes it somewhat meaningful on our end, but they have no respect/hate for WVU. Every other week in conference is mostly blah or generic from a passion standpoint. Cincinnati has a chance to be a little heated because because I recall the short time WVU was in conference with U of L it turned into a mild rivalry because of geography.

The bottom line is the Big12 is a better conference based on revenue and level of play than the ACC, but WVU in the ACC would be better for most WVU fans.

[adkindo]

Would you guys be interested in Tom Allen for your next HC?

Most fans are just desperate for a new warm body to the point some are not even hostile to bringing back RichRod.....so based on that anything is on the table. I personally think Brown is a solid coach....his resume before WVU suggests the same, but it just has not worked at all at WVU. Sometimes everything looks good on paper, but just does not work in action. Fans are just tired of the same exact thing every week when the talent is poor and when the talent is better.....the results are just the same. I think in the long run, it will be better for both parties to go in different directions.

[WVRed]

Most fans are just desperate for a new warm body to the point some are not even hostile to bringing back RichRod.....so based on that anything is on the table. I personally think Brown is a solid coach....his resume before WVU suggests the same, but it just has not worked at all at WVU. Sometimes everything looks good on paper, but just does not work in action. Fans are just tired of the same exact thing every week when the talent is poor and when the talent is better.....the results are just the same. I think in the long run, it will be better for both parties to go in different directions.

How about Dan Mullen?

He bombed at Florida but Mississippi State is as close to WVU as you can get in the SEC and he won pretty big there.

I think Brown should have been fired a month ago and Graham Harrell should have rode it out on the interim. Harrell will probably be a head coach at some point so might as well kick the tires in Morgantown.

Another familiar name: Tony Gibson. He’s a WV native and has coached the defense of a ranked NC State team.

[RedTeamGo!]

Tennessee having a lot of trouble with Missou of all teams.

[WVRed]

https://twitter.com/CountryRoads2/status/1591459222935719936

Garrett Greene just saved Neal Browns job for the time being.

[Assembly Hall]

Tennessee having a lot of trouble with Missou of all teams.

The Vols' problem is going to be fighting complacency from here on out.

[WVRed]

The Vols' problem is going to be fighting complacency from here on out.

Winning by 35 isn’t exactly “having trouble”

[Boss-Hog]

It’s hard to drum up a rivalry from scratch but UC and WVU could be a fun one.They had established a bit of a rivalry during their years together in the Big East, and I'll be happy for it to resume when UC joins the Big 12 next year.

[Hillsdale87]

Going back to a comment I made earlier in the thread, I'm feeling more comfortable with the idea of saying that Bama has a mediocre to poor defense. Game's not over, but they look like pretty mediocre overall


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[Hillsdale87]

Going back to a comment I made earlier in the thread, I'm feeling more comfortable with the idea of saying that Bama has a mediocre to poor defense. Game's not over, but they look like pretty mediocre overall


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Bryce Young though, is incredible. Much as I love Stroud, and he could end up the better NFL player because of his size, Young is such a special college player


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[Boston Red]

Will Levis is awful. How is he considered an NFL prospect?

[Assembly Hall]

Winning by 35 isn’t exactly “having trouble”

I ain't the one that said they were "having trouble"

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Will Levis is awful. How is he considered an NFL prospect?

Potential?

[WVRed]

Will Levis is awful. How is he considered an NFL prospect?

To his credit, he’s playing hurt. That said, he looks more like Baker Mayfield than Josh Allen in terms of NFL comparisons.

Some team will take a chance on him. He has a rocket arm and when healthy can run. His decision making and disappearing in big games are problematic but in terms of raw talent he has it.

Kentucky has a LOT of problems right now that I can see blowing up in the next couple of weeks and going into the offseason. Wouldn’t be shocked if Stoops leaves. If I’m wrong then I hope Scangarello is fired but with Eddie Gran on staff I’m afraid that’s what we will go back to.

[RedTeamGo!]

Baker Mayfield was actually good in college, though.

Mel Kiper has Levis as QB1. It’s a joke.

[WVRed]

Baker Mayfield was actually good in college, though.

Mel Kiper has Levis as QB1. It’s a joke.

I should have clarified. I meant Mayfield playing hurt like last year in Cleveland. Levis is doing the same thing this year.

[kaldaniels]

Great game going on fellow PAC-10ers…UW-OU tied at 34. Bo Nix got lit up on a hit his last drive but OU is about to get the kickoff.

[kaldaniels]

The OU Jackasses go for it on 4th and 1 in a tie game on their own 35 with 1:30 left. (And it was a rushed “go for it” with their backup QB…don’t you at least take a timeout?)

And the RB slips and falls. UW ball.

[kaldaniels]

Stewart Mandel, certainly a respectable CFB writer, just said that was a blatant fake injury by the Ducks receiver on one of the final plays of the game…earning OU some extra time to put a play together.

I felt bad for calling them the Jackasses but that takes some of the sting off.

But seriously, going for that 4th and 1 is one of the most boneheaded coaching calls I’ve seen in years.

[kaldaniels]

Hat tip to TCU…Winning in Austin was not going to be an easy thing.

Thought this could be the Qwinn Ewers breakout game. I mean I think he will be good - but perhaps he’s not the talent we expected.

[RedTeamGo!]

Hat tip to TCU…Winning in Austin was not going to be an easy thing.

Thought this could be the Qwinn Ewers breakout game. I mean I think he will be good - but perhaps he’s not the talent we expected.

Ewers showed up to the elite 11 2 years ago and all the OSU recruiting honks were expecting him to show out. During and after the elite 11 you could hear it in their voices how disappointing he was at the showcase. That was when I became skeptical.