NCAA Football 2022 Part III - Lets Go Bowling

[Rojo Rijo]

I actually like some of the non-CFP bowl matchups

Oregon vs. North Carolina
Oklahoma vs. Florida State
Texas vs. Washington
Notre Dame vs. South Carolina
Tennessee vs. Clemson
Alabama vs. Kansas State
Penn State vs. Utah

I'm interested in those the most.

[Sea Ray]

I actually like some of the non-CFP bowl matchups

Oregon vs. North Carolina
Oklahoma vs. Florida State
Texas vs. Washington
Notre Dame vs. South Carolina
Tennessee vs. Clemson
Alabama vs. Kansas State
Penn State vs. Utah

I'm interested in those the most.

If there's not too many opt outs these could be fun. In Tennessee's case, their O-coordinator just took the head coaching job at South Florida so there's that. Of course the UC-UL game just got really interestingly weird

[goreds2]

2022 Heisman Trophy:

The winner will be revealed at 8 p.m. ET on Saturday, Dec. 10 on ESPN.

[Roy Tucker]

The Athletic said that Kent State coach Sean Lewis and Buffalo coach Mo Linguist were two of the finalists besides Satterfield.

[Sea Ray]

The Athletic said that Kent State coach Sean Lewis and Buffalo coach Mo Linguist were two of the finalists besides Satterfield.

Interesting they had no interest in Kerry Coombs

[adkindo]

WVU fan: What is this "Bowling" you speak of?

[texasdave]

The Athletic said that Kent State coach Sean Lewis and Buffalo coach Mo Linguist were two of the finalists besides Satterfield.

Sean Lewis is heading out West. He will be Prime Time's offensive coordinator for the Buffaloes.

Sean Lewis - 5 years as a head coach at Kent State - 24-31 overall record.
Mo Lingquist - 2 years as a head coach at Buffalo - 10-14 overall record.
Scott Satterfield - 4 years as a head coach at Louisville - 25-24 overall record. (He was quite successful at Appalachian State.)

[Sea Ray]

Here's a list of players in the portal:

https://athlonsports.com/college-football/college-football-players-in-transfer-portal-tracker-2022-23

[Boston Red]

Time for Jeff Brohm to keep that Louisville class together. I'm sure some will come, but Louisville had zero decommitments from the time Satterfield bolted to the time Brohm was confirmed. That's a positive sign (not so much for Satterfield).

[Assembly Hall]

Time for Jeff Brohm to keep that Louisville class together. I'm sure some will come, but Louisville had zero decommitments from the time Satterfield bolted to the time Brohm was confirmed. That's a positive sign (not so much for Satterfield).

Curious as to who the next Purdue HC will be.

[RedTeamGo!]

Here's a list of players in the portal:

https://athlonsports.com/college-football/college-football-players-in-transfer-portal-tracker-2022-23

I am hoping the Buckeyes get like 7 cornerback and OL transfers.

If I had to pick one of each I want them to get:

Cornerback - Fentrell Cypress II from Virginia
OL - Ajani Cornelius from Richmond

[Sea Ray]

Alabama has 5 O- linemen in the portal

[Boston Red]

Curious as to who the next Purdue HC will be.

Well, the very next one is Brohm. Jeff's brother Brian will be the interim head coach. Now THAT's not somethig you see very often!

[Boston Red]

Also, Reuben Owens decommitted, so he's out there. Disappointing but not surprising given the coaching change.

[RedTeamGo!]

Would like him with Buckeyes but they reportedly don’t play the up-front NIL game, so he will probably end up in Texas somewhere.

[Ohayou]

Sounds like Mike Zimmer is joining Deion's staff at Colorado as the new DC.

[BuckeyeRed27]

Would like him with Buckeyes but they reportedly don’t play the up-front NIL game, so he will probably end up in Texas somewhere.

I wonder how long this up front NIL stuff will last.

Texas A&M, Miami and a couple others have obviously been aggressive with it and all they got for it was awful seasons and among the most players in the transfer portal. It’s one year, so maybe that’s just a coincidence…but it’s not.

[RedTeamGo!]

I wonder how long this up front NIL stuff will last.

Texas A&M, Miami and a couple others have obviously been aggressive with it and all they got for it was awful seasons and among the most players in the transfer portal. It’s one year, so maybe that’s just a coincidence…but it’s not.

Most of the players that transferred from TAMU were sophomores/juniors about to be pushed out by those NIL kids.

We don’t really know full effects of the up front NIL stuff yet. It will take a few years. In the meantime the up front NIL schools are trying to poach recruits from schools like OSU, UM, ND, etc that aren’t throwing millions of dollars at HS kids up front.

OSU is in danger of losing multiple recruits 2 weeks before signing day to the likes of Miami and Auburn and not much OSU can do about it. They also completely whiffed on the big 3 DE recruits, Wilson, Keely, and MU. I see absolutely no reason to keep Larry Johnson on staff at this point.

[Sea Ray]

Sounds like Mike Zimmer is joining Deion's staff at Colorado as the new DC.

Not according to ESPN

Alabama's Charles Kelly joins Colorado as defensive coordinator

https://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/35206370/alabama-charles-kelly-joins-colorado-defensive-coordinator

[kaldaniels]

I wonder how long this up front NIL stuff will last.

Texas A&M, Miami and a couple others have obviously been aggressive with it and all they got for it was awful seasons and among the most players in the transfer portal. It’s one year, so maybe that’s just a coincidence…but it’s not.

On the Mandel/Feldman podcast today they were opining that the smart play (for spending NIL money) is to go after established guys in the portal rather than go after the 4-5 star high schoolers. Which makes a lot of sense.

Things are really getting wacky and I can’t imagine what the college football landscape will look like in a couple years.

[Ohayou]

Not according to ESPN

Alabama's Charles Kelly joins Colorado as defensive coordinator

https://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/35206370/alabama-charles-kelly-joins-colorado-defensive-coordinator

Yeah, just saw that. If he does join, perhaps it's an advisory role similar to Lewis' at Arizona State.

[BuckeyeRed27]

Most of the players that transferred from TAMU were sophomores/juniors about to be pushed out by those NIL kids.

We don’t really know full effects of the up front NIL stuff yet. It will take a few years. In the meantime the up front NIL schools are trying to poach recruits from schools like OSU, UM, ND, etc that aren’t throwing millions of dollars at HS kids up front.

OSU is in danger of losing multiple recruits 2 weeks before signing day to the likes of Miami and Auburn and not much OSU can do about it. They also completely whiffed on the big 3 DE recruits, Wilson, Keely, and MU. I see absolutely no reason to keep Larry Johnson on staff at this point.

Eh not most, some. But it looks like 8 or 9 were in the last. 2 recruiting classes.

I have no idea how it’s going to all go, but this isn’t a sustainable model. Boosters aren’t gonna toss around money for guys that leave like is already happening at a bunch of schools.

And you sort of inadvertently made the point with Johnson. By all accounts he basically did land those guys and they are likely going elsewhere because of money. Is that Johnson’s fault? Is that OSUs fault? Are those guys going to stay at those schools for more than a year or two? If all this money flies around for 5-7 seasons and coaches getting fired than what’s the point?

[kaldaniels]

What’s stopping some teams NIL from say, offering Marvin Harrison Jr. 10 million for next season?

[RedTeamGo!]

What’s stopping some teams NIL from say, offering Marvin Harrison Jr. 10 million for next season?

Absolutely nothing. Don't be surprised if stuff like this happens. There are already rumors Tennessee has been reaching out to Dallan Hayden.

[Hillsdale87]

Absolutely nothing. Don't be surprised if stuff like this happens. There are already rumors Tennessee has been reaching out to Dallan Hayden.

There were a lot of rumors that teams were going after Drake Maye with big money.


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[BuckeyeRed27]

What’s stopping some teams NIL from say, offering Marvin Harrison Jr. 10 million for next season?

Technically there are rules that prevent this, but it seems like they really aren’t enforced and it would be very difficult to do so.

[RedTeamGo!]

Technically there are rules that prevent this, but it seems like they really aren’t enforced and it would be very difficult to do so.

There are absolutely no rules right now.

I mean, there is precedence from last year with this. Last year's Bilitnekof winner went to USC and it was the most known secret I have ever seen that there was tampering going on.

Really, it wouldn't be that shocking with Marvin Harrison JR. He is going into his 3rd year as the best NFL draft prospect in the country and will have an unproven QB (I know McCord was his QB in in high school, however not exactly glowing reviews coming out from the WHAC on him). Would anyone be surprised if suddenly Harrison decommits and goes to USC for one year?

OSU needs to figure out NIL and like right now or they are going to turn into a 9-3 kind of team and not an annual national title contender. We are already seeing the effects on recruiting. OSU is suddenly falling behind there. Literally could not get a RB this cycle. Could not get a star DE this cycle. Rumors swirling about their best CB recruit that is an OHIO KID going to Miami suddenly. Not good, not good at all.

I know the average player rating is high on the class, but that is getting heavily weighed by the 4 WRs committed. And like I said about having 4 5 star QBs on the roster last year or so: When you have 10 5 star WRs on the roster, you actually only have 3.

[BuckeyeRed27]

There are absolutely no rules right now.

I mean, there is precedence from last year with this. Last year's Bilitnekof winner went to USC and it was the most known secret I have ever seen that there was tampering going on.

Really, it wouldn't be that shocking with Marvin Harrison JR. He is going into his 3rd year as the best NFL draft prospect in the country and will have an unproven QB (I know McCord was his QB in in high school, however not exactly glowing reviews coming out from the WHAC on him). Would anyone be surprised if suddenly Harrison decommits and goes to USC for one year?

OSU needs to figure out NIL and like right now or they are going to turn into a 9-3 kind of team and not an annual national title contender. We are already seeing the effects on recruiting. OSU is suddenly falling behind there. Literally could not get a RB this cycle. Could not get a star DE this cycle. Rumors swirling about their best CB recruit that is an OHIO KID going to Miami suddenly. Not good, not good at all.

I know the average player rating is high on the class, but that is getting heavily weighed by the 4 WRs committed. And like I said about having 4 5 star QBs on the roster last year or so: When you have 10 5 star WRs on the roster, you actually only have 3.

I mean there are tampering rules, but no one cares. They probably should care, but if no one is going to enforce it or bother trying than right there are basically no rules.

I am fairly unconcerned about NIL re OSU. You can poo poo class rankings and how it’s distributed all you want, but until OSU starts falling out of the top 5 for average star rankings, than I don’t really care. Probably need to be aggressive from time to time with the portal, but OSU has also gotten some incredibly meaningful transfers in the last several years too, so not too worried that they won’t.

Like I’ve said before the NIL transfer portal combo doesn’t really make me want to be giving guys a lot of upfront money. If that’s what they want, ok great, go some where else. I’ll need to see a lot more evidence that it works because so far the evidence is that it doesn’t work.

[Boss-Hog]

Like I’ve said before the NIL transfer portal combo doesn’t really make me want to be giving guys a lot of upfront money. If that’s what they want, ok great, go some where else. I’ll need to see a lot more evidence that it works because so far the evidence is that it doesn’t work.

As a whole, the combination of NIL with a free transfer has weaponized college football recruiting to the point it's a huge turnoff for me. Especially given that there's essentially no rules around it (or at least that are enforced), as you mentioned...

[RedTeamGo!]

I mean there are tampering rules, but no one cares. They probably should care, but if no one is going to enforce it or bother trying than right there are basically no rules.

I am fairly unconcerned about NIL re OSU. You can poo poo class rankings and how it’s distributed all you want, but until OSU starts falling out of the top 5 for average star rankings, than I don’t really care. Probably need to be aggressive from time to time with the portal, but OSU has also gotten some incredibly meaningful transfers in the last several years too, so not too worried that they won’t.

Like I’ve said before the NIL transfer portal combo doesn’t really make me want to be giving guys a lot of upfront money. If that’s what they want, ok great, go some where else. I’ll need to see a lot more evidence that it works because so far the evidence is that it doesn’t work.

Fields was before NIL. If NIL existed do we really think he would have come to OSU? Doubt.

As for the average player rating point: we are already seeing the effect. OSU has not recruited well on defense. Particularly LB and CB for like 5 years now. Suddenly OSU is getting pushed around by Michigan, Oregon, Bama and giving up huge pass plays. We’ve already seen the direct effect. Hopefully it doesn’t get worse. But hey, Julian Fleming was a 5 star. Hooray.

[bucksfan2]

Fields was before NIL. If NIL existed do we really think he would have come to OSU? Doubt.

As for the average player rating point: we are already seeing the effect. OSU has not recruited well on defense. Particularly LB and CB for like 5 years now. Suddenly OSU is getting pushed around by Michigan, Oregon, Bama and giving up huge pass plays. We’ve already seen the direct effect. Hopefully it doesn’t get worse. But hey, Julian Fleming was a 5 star. Hooray.

There was no reason Fields should have been at OSU. I think it was what Haskins did as well as both of their connections to Quincy Avery.

There is no reason Stroud, Brown, or Raiola should be at OSU or committed to OSU. But outside of Lincoln Riley, no one has developed QB's better than Ryan Day. They will continue to come to OSU, and I would argue playing QB at OSU may be the most valuable position in the entirety of college football.

NIL will tame down, and hopefully be better regulated in the future. The two biggest spenders, A&M and The U had dismal seasons last year. And to be honest, while stars matter, the collection of talent is almost as important.

One thing to consider with NIL is it is starting to dilute the talent across the nation. A&M was never a top tier recruiting factory, but they landed atop notch class. If Miami is spending, its taking players away from Bama.

Its challenging right now, and OSU may need to head into the transfer portal a little harder this season because of some recruiting misses, but eventually grown men are going to grow tired of throwing tens of thousands towards high school kids who bolt after one season because things didn't go as planned.

[BuckeyeRed27]

Fields was before NIL. If NIL existed do we really think he would have come to OSU? Doubt.

As for the average player rating point: we are already seeing the effect. OSU has not recruited well on defense. Particularly LB and CB for like 5 years now. Suddenly OSU is getting pushed around by Michigan, Oregon, Bama and giving up huge pass plays. We’ve already seen the direct effect. Hopefully it doesn’t get worse. But hey, Julian Fleming was a 5 star. Hooray.

There are 3 top 100 LB recruits in the last 2 classes. Corner has lagged a little, but still 2 top 100 corners and Johnson and Hancock have already played.

Yes I think Fields still comes with NIL. Money matters, but it’s still a relationship business.

[BuckeyeRed27]

As a whole, the combination of NIL with a free transfer has weaponized college football recruiting to the point it's a huge turnoff for me. Especially given that there's essentially no rules around it (or at least that are enforced), as you mentioned...

Yeah if you just watch the games and don’t pay attention to the rest of it, it’s not really that noticeable. But it’s certainly changed things. On aggregate I think it’s good. Players should get paid and players should have a bit more freedom of movement. Assuming this is the working out the kinks phase of it though and it’s messy.

[Sea Ray]

There was no reason Fields should have been at OSU. I think it was what Haskins did as well as both of their connections to Quincy Avery.

There is no reason Stroud, Brown, or Raiola should be at OSU or committed to OSU. But outside of Lincoln Riley, no one has developed QB's better than Ryan Day. They will continue to come to OSU, and I would argue playing QB at OSU may be the most valuable position in the entirety of college football.

NIL will tame down, and hopefully be better regulated in the future. The two biggest spenders, A&M and The U had dismal seasons last year. And to be honest, while stars matter, the collection of talent is almost as important.

One thing to consider with NIL is it is starting to dilute the talent across the nation. A&M was never a top tier recruiting factory, but they landed atop notch class. If Miami is spending, its taking players away from Bama.

Its challenging right now, and OSU may need to head into the transfer portal a little harder this season because of some recruiting misses, but eventually grown men are going to grow tired of throwing tens of thousands towards high school kids who bolt after one season because things didn't go as planned.

Dabo Sweeney has a better record of developing QBs than Ryan Day. No OSU QB in the NFL is better than Lawrence and Watson

[BuckeyeRed27]

Dabo Sweeney has a better record of developing QBs than Ryan Day. No OSU QB in the NFL is better than Lawrence and Watson

I’d take Fields over Lawrence right now.

[Hillsdale87]

OSU is in danger of losing multiple recruits 2 weeks before signing day to the likes of Miami and Auburn and not much OSU can do about it. They also completely whiffed on the big 3 DE recruits, Wilson, Keely, and MU. I see absolutely no reason to keep Larry Johnson on staff at this point.

Have they? The last I saw they were still in on all 3. I don't disagree about Larry Johnson though... They certainly haven't maximized the talent on the DL the last few years. Guys haven't developed enough, and his rotations don't make a lot of sense.

[bucksfan2]

Dabo Sweeney has a better record of developing QBs than Ryan Day. No OSU QB in the NFL is better than Lawrence and Watson

Dabo has been at it longer for sure, but Day's last three signal callers will have been 1st round draft picks. Dabo has had success with Lawrence and Watson, but the others is kinda spotty. Not to get too into the weeds over this, there have been some people saying Dabo's offensive scheme is rather pedestrian and he as been bailed out by generational QB's.

[RedTeamGo!]

There are 3 top 100 LB recruits in the last 2 classes. Corner has lagged a little, but still 2 top 100 corners and Johnson and Hancock have already played.

Yes I think Fields still comes with NIL. Money matters, but it’s still a relationship business.

3 LBs aint enough and Powers looks like more of a JACK

And corner has lagged a little? Man, corner is an absolute disaster. Johnson is awful.

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Have they? The last I saw they were still in on all 3. I don't disagree about Larry Johnson though... They certainly haven't maximized the talent on the DL the last few years. Guys haven't developed enough, and his rotations don't make a lot of sense.

Yeah, Wilson, Keeley, and MU all as good as gone according to Birm. Done deal.

[BuckeyeRed27]

3 LBs aint enough and Powers looks like more of a JACK

And corner has lagged a little? Man, corner is an absolute disaster. Johnson is awful.

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Yeah, Wilson, Keeley, and MU all as good as gone according to Birm. Done deal.

1 or 2 a class is pretty normal and we have 10 scholarship LBs for a spot where 2 guys are usually on the field. We haven’t lagged in LB. We’ve developed a couple guys nicely in chambers and Eichenberg and have some good prospects behind them.

We absolutely need a transfer corner, hopefully the Virginia guy comes. The recruiting class looks pretty good, but corners are hard to project.

I like Birm, but he’s been a little off this cycle. I’m not sure he knows how to handle the NIL stuff with his usual takes. He could be right of course, but there’s been “rumblings” for weeks on those guys and none have committed anywhere and all have coaches visits scheduled, so we will see.

[Rojo Rijo]

I’d take Fields over Lawrence right now.

I wouldnt, though I was 110% convinced he shoudlve gone #2 to the Jets and knew teams like the Panthers and Falcons would deeply regret passing on him. With that being said Fields speed is currently at a level where no defenders can get to him quickly enough in the open field to prevent big gains and if he turns a DBs hips he's taking it to the house. Because of this we likely won't know Fields true passer potential for a few years.

I also toyed with the idea (in mock draft simulators) of Jacksonville trading the #1 overall pick that year for a ridiculous package of picks and taking Fields.

[BuckeyeRed27]

I wouldnt, though I was 110% convinced he shoudlve gone #2 to the Jets and knew teams like the Panthers and Falcons would deeply regret passing on him. With that being said Fields speed is currently at a level where no defenders can get to him quickly enough in the open field to prevent big gains and if he turns a DBs hips he's taking it to the house. Because of this we likely won't know Fields true passer potential for a few years.

I also toyed with the idea (in mock draft simulators) of Jacksonville trading the #1 overall pick that year for a ridiculous package of picks and taking Fields.

Fields also has zero weapons with the Bears. It is not hyperbole to say he had better offensive weapons at OSU than he does now and he did a lot passing with those guys.

Lawrence has shown enough for me to think he can still progress, but I’m pretty surprised he’s not better. He makes a lot of bad decisions.

[Sea Ray]

Dabo has been at it longer for sure, but Day's last three signal callers will have been 1st round draft picks. Dabo has had success with Lawrence and Watson, but the others is kinda spotty. Not to get too into the weeds over this, there have been some people saying Dabo's offensive scheme is rather pedestrian and he as been bailed out by generational QB's.

Haskins does nothing for Ryan Day's resume on QBs. The jury is still out on Stroud and Fields. I would agree that Dabo had a couple of generational QBs but he should be given credit for getting them to come to Clemson. Quite frankly OSU has some work to do on its reputation for developing QBs. It's more a stigma than anything else

Ohio State QBs in the NFL: Justin Fields can end stigma from history of NFL Draft busts

https://www.sportingnews.com/us/nfl/news/justin-fields-ohio-state-qbs-nfl-draft-history/hu5wl7fz7k8s17n9f3w5ioero

[BuckeyeRed27]

Haskins does nothing for Ryan Day's resume on QBs. The jury is still out on Stroud and Fields. I would agree that Dabo had a couple of generational QBs but he should be given credit for getting them to come to Clemson. Quite frankly OSU has some work to do on its reputation for developing QBs. It's more a stigma than anything else

Ohio State QBs in the NFL: Justin Fields can end stigma from history of NFL Draft busts

https://www.sportingnews.com/us/nfl/news/justin-fields-ohio-state-qbs-nfl-draft-history/hu5wl7fz7k8s17n9f3w5ioero

Day has put 3 consecutive QBs in the first round and has the 1 overall recruit in the 2024 class committed. If that’s a stigma I’m sure he’s just fine having it. I’m sure Day wants NFL success for guys, but his job is to get them there, which he is with every single guy.

Dabo has a big strike out with DJ here and better hope Klubnik keeps developing.

[Todd Gack]

I’d take Fields over Lawrence right now.

To be fair, Lawrence's development sucked because he was being coached by another Buckeye. Looks like he's starting to come out of that crappy coaching.

Also, Fields's window of being successful will be much shorter if he's going to run this much. Teams will eventually catch up to that.

[BuckeyeRed27]

To be fair, Lawrence's development sucked because he was being coached by another Buckeye. Looks like he's starting to come out of that crappy coaching.

Also, Fields's window of being successful will be much shorter if he's going to run this much. Teams will eventually catch up to that.

Urban certainly didn’t help Lawrence, but I’m not gonna say it looks like he’s starting to come out of it. He showed some flashes last year and he’s shown some this year. I wouldn’t say he’s been all that much better this year and he’s certainly shown the same low level of consistency.

Fields will have run less when the Bears hopefully sign/draft some receivers.

[BuckeyeRed27]

There are absolutely no rules right now.

I mean, there is precedence from last year with this. Last year's Bilitnekof winner went to USC and it was the most known secret I have ever seen that there was tampering going on.

Really, it wouldn't be that shocking with Marvin Harrison JR. He is going into his 3rd year as the best NFL draft prospect in the country and will have an unproven QB (I know McCord was his QB in in high school, however not exactly glowing reviews coming out from the WHAC on him). Would anyone be surprised if suddenly Harrison decommits and goes to USC for one year?

OSU needs to figure out NIL and like right now or they are going to turn into a 9-3 kind of team and not an annual national title contender. We are already seeing the effects on recruiting. OSU is suddenly falling behind there. Literally could not get a RB this cycle. Could not get a star DE this cycle. Rumors swirling about their best CB recruit that is an OHIO KID going to Miami suddenly. Not good, not good at all.

I know the average player rating is high on the class, but that is getting heavily weighed by the 4 WRs committed. And like I said about having 4 5 star QBs on the roster last year or so: When you have 10 5 star WRs on the roster, you actually only have 3.

Matthews, the corner from Winton Woods, confirmed he’s in and enrolling in January. Excited for this kid, had a huge jump in rankings this season.

[WVRed]

Looks like The Clapper is a finalist for the Stanford job.

[BuckeyeRed27]

Looks like The Clapper is a finalist for the Stanford job.

Whatever gets him off SNF is good with me.

[Rojo Rijo]

Urban certainly didn’t help Lawrence, but I’m not gonna say it looks like he’s starting to come out of it. He showed some flashes last year and he’s shown some this year. I wouldn’t say he’s been all that much better this year and he’s certainly shown the same low level of consistency.

Fields will have run less when the Bears hopefully sign/draft some receivers.

This is a poor take. Yes Lawrence has continued to have his struggles, and often at the worst times, but you'd have to have quite a strong bias to claim he's not gotten much better in year 2.

2021 - 12 TD / 17 INT. 59.6 completion %. QBR 71.9
2022 - 17 TD / 6 INT. 65.6 completion %. QBR 92.8

[BuckeyeRed27]

This is a poor take. Yes Lawrence has continued to have his struggles, and often at the worst times, but you'd have to have quite a strong bias to claim he's not gotten much better in year 2.

2021 - 12 TD / 17 INT. 59.6 completion %. QBR 71.9
2022 - 17 TD / 6 INT. 65.6 completion %. QBR 92.8

I have no bias at all. I like Lawrence and could care less about Jacksonville.

I guess last year he was consistently mediocre and this year he’s been had some nice games and some really head scratching bad games. His overall stats might be a little better, he isn’t turning it over as much which is good, but still would say it’s been a disappointment this year and isn’t the jump you would like to see in year 2.

[RedTeamGo!]

Matthews, the corner from Winton Woods, confirmed he’s in and enrolling in January. Excited for this kid, had a huge jump in rankings this season.

Saw that. Huge news. They desperately need to hold on to him and CSH. Sounds like Lee is gone.

[Todd Gack]

Day has put 3 consecutive QBs in the first round and has the 1 overall recruit in the 2024 class committed. If that’s a stigma I’m sure he’s just fine having it. I’m sure Day wants NFL success for guys, but his job is to get them there, which he is with every single guy.

Dabo has a big strike out with DJ here and better hope Klubnik keeps developing.

I think he'd much rather prefer he beat Michigan.

[BuckeyeRed27]

I think he'd much rather prefer he beat Michigan.

Those things aren’t really mutually exclusive.

[WVRed]

Day has put 3 consecutive QBs in the first round and has the 1 overall recruit in the 2024 class committed. If that’s a stigma I’m sure he’s just fine having it. I’m sure Day wants NFL success for guys, but his job is to get them there, which he is with every single guy.

Dabo has a big strike out with DJ here and better hope Klubnik keeps developing.

I’d compare it to John Calipari at Kentucky. Cal has fast tracked so many players to the NBA but only has one championship to show for it and you are measured entirely by championships at Kentucky. Day is fast tracking QBs to the NFL but can’t win when it matters (Michigan and bowl games).

[Chip R]

Looks like The Clapper is a finalist for the Stanford job.

He's staying put.

[BuckeyeRed27]

I’d compare it to John Calipari at Kentucky. Cal has fast tracked so many players to the NBA but only has one championship to show for it and you are measured entirely by championships at Kentucky. Day is fast tracking QBs to the NFL but can’t win when it matters (Michigan and bowl games).

He’s 2-2 in Bowl games and has made the playoffs 3 of his 4 seasons. He’s 1-2 against Michigan and would be 2-2 if Michigan hadn’t forfeited like a bunch of cowards in 2020.

[RedTeamGo!]

bowl games).

??

Ryan Day Bowl Games:

2019 (L to Clemson 29-23 - got completely and utterly hosed by the refs in this one - pick 6 called back late in the game)
2020 (W against Clemson in compete blowout) (L in National Championship to Bama - half team out with COVID)
2021 (W against Utah in Rose Bowl)

[Hillsdale87]

??

Ryan Day Bowl Games:

2019 (L to Clemson 29-23 - got completely and utterly hosed by the refs in this one - pick 6 called back late in the game)
2020 (W against Clemson in compete blowout) (L in National Championship to Bama - half team out with COVID)
2021 (W against Utah in Rose Bowl)

That 2019 game was an incredibly coached game IMO. They came out on fire, Dobbins dropped 2 TDs, they got unlucky with that targeting call, and all those conspired to allow Clemson to hang around and eventually win. The gameplan was perfect though.

Day's teams have had offensive fireworks in bowl games when he has a month to prep. Hopefully that happens again.


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[bucksfan2]

That 2019 game was an incredibly coached game IMO. They came out on fire, Dobbins dropped 2 TDs, they got unlucky with that targeting call, and all those conspired to allow Clemson to hang around and eventually win. The gameplan was perfect though.

Day's teams have had offensive fireworks in bowl games when he has a month to prep. Hopefully that happens again.


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This often gets left off when discussing that 2019 game. The Garrett Wilson catch, which was originally ruled out of bounds, then reversed. OSU was going fast and Dobbins had a massive run ahead of him when the official blew the play dead to review the catch. In that case OSU probably was better off just letting the original call standing.

[Hillsdale87]

This often gets left off when discussing that 2019 game. The Garrett Wilson catch, which was originally ruled out of bounds, then reversed. OSU was going fast and Dobbins had a massive run ahead of him when the official blew the play dead to review the catch. In that case OSU probably was better off just letting the original call standing.

That was one of those games where everything that could go wrong did. OSU was the better team, and by a lot IMO. So many turning points, and they all went against OSU unfortunately. The 2 dropped TDs were brutal. The targeting call game Clemson new life. It wasn't a dirty play, just unlucky. They were probably toast without that call. Incorrectly reversing the fumble call. Even the last INT in the end zone. The play was there, but just miscommunication between Olave and Fields.

That team was awesome. I wish we could have seen them play LSU


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[bucksfan2]

That was one of those games where everything that could go wrong did. OSU was the better team, and by a lot IMO. So many turning points, and they all went against OSU unfortunately. The 2 dropped TDs were brutal. The targeting call game Clemson new life. It wasn't a dirty play, just unlucky. They were probably toast without that call. Incorrectly reversing the fumble call. Even the last INT in the end zone. The play was there, but just miscommunication between Olave and Fields.

That team was awesome. I wish we could have seen them play LSU


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The best way I heard that described is Clemson needed 10 things to go right to win that game and all 10 did.

I would had loved to see that team play LSU. That defense, man that defense. And Fields was really coming into his own at that point. The unfortunate part of that game was Fields hurt his knee earlier and just couldn't shake the heavy knee brace. He was "limited" with what he could do against Clemson. If there was any team in college football that could have stopped LSU it was that OSU team.

[Todd Gack]

??

Ryan Day Bowl Games:

2019 (L to Clemson 29-23 - got completely and utterly hosed by the refs in this one - pick 6 called back late in the game)
2020 (W against Clemson in compete blowout) (L in National Championship to Bama - half team out with COVID)
2021 (W against Utah in Rose Bowl)

Let's not forget that the Big 10 changed the rules to even allow OSU to play.

[Todd Gack]

He’s 2-2 in Bowl games and has made the playoffs 3 of his 4 seasons. He’s 1-2 against Michigan and would be 2-2 if Michigan hadn’t forfeited like a bunch of cowards in 2020.

"Just because you're standing on 3rd, doesn't mean you hit a triple."

[Hillsdale87]

Let's not forget that the Big 10 changed the rules to even allow OSU to play.

Yes, they were clearly undeserving and it would have been better if Indiana was the B10 champion [emoji849][emoji849]


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[BuckeyeRed27]

"Just because you're standing on 3rd, doesn't mean you hit a triple."

Dude do you ever have anything constructive to say about anything or do you just want to keep up your stupid troll routine?

Everyone else here, of all types of fandom and backgrounds, are having a nice respectful conservation about college football.

And then there is you with what I’m sure you think is a hilarious Calvin pissing on a Ford level energy.

Grow up.

[*BaseClogger*]

Uh oh Sea Ray II has fully entered the chat

[Assembly Hall]

Yes, they were clearly undeserving and it would have been better if Indiana was the B10 champion [emoji849][emoji849]


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That would have worked fine for me.

[Hillsdale87]

That would have worked fine for me.

Ha. I'm sure [emoji1]


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[Sea Ray]

Uh oh Sea Ray II has fully entered the chat

Nice to see that I'm in everyone's head here on RZ

[RedTeamGo!]

I listened to a podcast today that was talking about how huge of a failure the Ohio State NIL collectives have been. It was also talking about how successful the SEC NIL collectives have been and are. Apparently schools like Tennessee, Auburn, Georgia, Bama, etc have put together “war chests” of well over $30 million. They have permanent staffs that just concentrate on getting more money to give to recruits, transfers, and current players. Meanwhile it was reported Ohio State has less than $3 million in their war chest. Schools like Michigan, Notre Dame, and rest of the big ten are in the same boat as Ohio State. This is why you are seeing schools like Miami peeling off recruits from Michigan and Auburn about to flip a CB from the Buckeyes (Kaylin Lee). Also rumors Tennessee is actively recruiting current OSU RB Dallan Hayden. Georgia is partnered with Coca Cola and recruits are full out getting high 6 figure checks directly from Coca Cola. Gene Smith, the OSU AD, went on Twitter a day or two ago and basically begged OSU boosters to give money to the NIL collectives (truly embarrassing for the university) because of how far behind OSU is falling with NIL. Reports that Midwest boosters simply do not want to give a bunch of money to HS recruits and current players. They would “rather have their names on buildings) - and who could blame them? It’s frigging amateur athletics.

Ryan Day infamously said last year he estimates it will cost $30 million to keep his starters at OSU. Well, they collected about 10% of his estimation. So his Star players aren’t getting close to what they thought they would. Perhaps this is why around halfway through the year players started playing more sloppy and with less intensity. Hard to say. Maybe there’s a lot of pissed off buckeyes that were expecting $100,000 checks from The Foundation and ended up with $10,000. I wouldn’t be surprised if there is a mass exodus from OSU after the CFP….

Now, I am not whining about this or anything. OSU has been getting elite recruits for past 20 years. Hard for that to last forever regardless of NIL. With that said: I just do not see how big ten teams, Notre Dame, and others are going to be able to compete on a national level. You will still probably see OSU and UM win enough games to get to the expanded playoffs the next couple of years but they will get waxed by the likes of Georgia, Bama, Tennessee, etc that is paying $30 mil a year for their rosters. Eventually no recruit with a pulse will go to UM or OSU. Why would you go to OSU for $50,000 in NIL when you can go to Georgia for $500,000? The answer they you would not. This will result in OSU and UM fighting over the same 3 star recruits the rest of the big ten is and basically just another 8-4 or 7-5 big ten team. This is, of course, assuming these programs don’t start getting tens of millions from billionaire boosters. But, if they stay the course with what they are doing now? The big ten will basically be MAC football.

[BuckeyeRed27]

Short answer is this isn’t what NIL is going to look like long term.

[RedTeamGo!]

Short answer is this isn’t what NIL is going to look like long term.

How do you know that?

[BuckeyeRed27]

How do you know that?

Because there isn’t an ROI.

[RedTeamGo!]

Because there isn’t an ROI.

It’s still very early. We don’t think there will be ROI with Damon Wilson?

[JaxRed]

So Bryce Young finishes 6th in the Heisman. Well behind his "rival" CJ Stroud. I assumed it was between them at start if season. Is there some reason he fell out of favor.

[RedTeamGo!]

So Bryce Young finishes 6th in the Heisman. Well behind his "rival" CJ Stroud. I assumed it was between them at start if season. Is there some reason he fell out of favor.

Missed a couple games due to injury

[KronoRed]

Because there isn’t an ROI.

But there is a nice easy way to launder money.

[BuckeyeRed27]

It’s still very early. We don’t think there will be ROI with Damon Wilson?

For who?

But no, not with how these collectives are set up. It’s simply not a sustainable model.

Some of them are trying to set up as non profits, which is comical and will also blow up.

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But there is a nice easy way to launder money.

Yeah it is, but that’s also not a sustainable model.

[RedTeamGo!]

For who?

But no, not with how these collectives are set up. It’s simply not a sustainable model.

Some of them are trying to set up as non profits, which is comical and will also blow up.

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Yeah it is, but that’s also not a sustainable model.

https://247sports.com/player/damon-wilson-46114588/

Elite DE. He’s been expected to go to OSU for a year. Kirby Smart thinks he’s the best recruit in the country so he got Coca Cola to cut a check for $750,000 for him. The word is he has always wanted to be a Buckeye and still does. However, OSU cannot even come remotely close in up front NIL money. Who can say no to $750,000? Nobody.

[kaldaniels]

Just to be clear - a NFL owner pays his players - but he at least will one day get a ROI not just in having a better team, but in the form of a franchise that has increased in value.

But anyone that pays for NIL (unless it is directly from a business using NIL for advertising) is just throwing money at the players hoping for better on-field results. No return other than that if you are say, a fan donating to an NIL fund.

I mean it is what it is but man it seems silly for anyone to throw money at OSU’s NIL knowing how much that program already makes and is worth. And granted, if OSU doesn’t get said NIL money, the program will suffer.

I have to think the current system won’t last cause this is just crazy.

[RedTeamGo!]

Just to be clear - a NFL owner pays his players - but he at least will one day get a ROI not just in having a better team, but in the form of a franchise that has increased in value.

But anyone that pays for NIL (unless it is directly from a business using NIL for advertising) is just throwing money at the players hoping for better on-field results. No return other than that if you are say, a fan donating to an NIL fund.

I mean it is what it is but man it seems silly for anyone to throw money at OSU’s NIL knowing how much that program already makes and is worth. And granted, if OSU doesn’t get said NIL money, the program will suffer.

I have to think the current system won’t last cause this is just crazy.

Just to be clear I completely agree with you. No way in hell will I give a penny to an NIL fund.

I think it just unironically means more down south.

[Sea Ray]

Miss St head coach Mike Leach is hospitalized and it looks to be pretty serious

https://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/35234013/mississippi-state-coach-mike-leach-hospitalized-jackson


The college football world was hit with some absolutely shocking and quite concerning news on Sunday afternoon as Mississippi State Bulldogs head football coach Mike Leach is facing a serious health scare.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nfl/cfb-world-reacts-to-horrifying-mike-leach-news/ar-AA15ab1i?li=BBnb7Kz

[BuckeyeRed27]

https://247sports.com/player/damon-wilson-46114588/

Elite DE. He’s been expected to go to OSU for a year. Kirby Smart thinks he’s the best recruit in the country so he got Coca Cola to cut a check for $750,000 for him. The word is he has always wanted to be a Buckeye and still does. However, OSU cannot even come remotely close in up front NIL money. Who can say no to $750,000? Nobody.

Right I know who Damon Wilson is. For who meant who is getting the ROI. I don’t blame kids getting money if schools are going to offer it.

I don’t really believe that Coca Cola story, but fine, let’s say it’s true. Why would they do that?

[Boston Red]

Boosters have been giving loads of money to schools for no real reason other than wanting the team to win (and to get some access) forever. Same deal here, but the money goes to the players instead. Better yet, the NIL guys get access to the players themselves. I've never been particularly interested in giving to athletics program myself, but I'm not sure why it's surprising that a bunch of rich people want to spend a lot of money to ensure their favorite sports team succeeds.

[BuckeyeRed27]

Boosters have been giving loads of money to schools for no real reason other than wanting the team to win (and to get some access) forever. Same deal here, but the money goes to the players instead. Better yet, the NIL guys get access to the players themselves. I've never been particularly interested in giving to athletics program myself, but I'm not sure why it's surprising that a bunch of rich people want to spend a lot of money to ensure their favorite sports team succeeds.

But that’s not the same.

You get someone for giving money to the school. The NIL stuff can’t actually go through the school, so you don’t get that stuff. And that’s just for rich boosters.

There’s certainly potential for companies, but let’s use this $750k Coca Cola story as an example. They simply aren’t giving that’s up front to a college football player that no one has ever heard of, might never play for that school and might never be good and actually help them sell Coca Cola.

And what are just normal people going to be kicking money towards?

The amount of money involved to have these $400k plus for the entire team? Ok I can see a foundation being successful enough to do that once or twice. But every year? Get out of here. Again, there is no ROI. It isn’t how people spend their money.

[Boston Red]

What do you get for giving money to the school? Some nice seats? Access to the AD and maybe coaches?

You don't think those same rich boosters will pony up to make sure their collective can make the best offer to top recruits? And then get access to events where they get to hang out with those same players? Rich old people will be all over that.

[RedTeamGo!]

Pretty simple: Coca Cola advertises at Georgia’s stadium a lot, the better they are the more their ads are seen.

[BuckeyeRed27]

What do you get for giving money to the school? Some nice seats? Access to the AD and maybe coaches?

You don't think those same rich boosters will pony up to make sure their collective can make the best offer to top recruits? And then get access to events where they get to hang out with those same players? Rich old people will be all over that.

No. I don’t think they will do that consistently which is why I don’t think this is a sustainable model.

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Pretty simple: Coca Cola advertises at Georgia’s stadium a lot, the better they are the more their ads are seen.

And they can do that for a fraction of the price and they don’t care if Wilson’s name is on the billboard.

[Assembly Hall]

Miss St head coach Mike Leach is hospitalized and it looks to be pretty serious

https://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/35234013/mississippi-state-coach-mike-leach-hospitalized-jackson



https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nfl/cfb-world-reacts-to-horrifying-mike-leach-news/ar-AA15ab1i?li=BBnb7Kz

Not looking good at all...

https://www.si.com/college/2022/12/12/mike-leach-critical-condition-coaches-statements-support

[Chip R]

Short answer is this isn’t what NIL is going to look like long term.

Yeah, a big problem is that there's no regulation. The feds won't touch it, the NCAA has been hands off and it's up to each state to make their own rules. Only it's tough for them to do that because they don't know what the other states will do. Kind of like a big game of Chicken. If the state of Georgia has certain rules about NILs, Florida may have less stringent rules and then you have an arms race with NILs. So it's the wild, wild west now.

[bucksfan2]

Yeah, a big problem is that there's no regulation. The feds won't touch it, the NCAA has been hands off and it's up to each state to make their own rules. Only it's tough for them to do that because they don't know what the other states will do. Kind of like a big game of Chicken. If the state of Georgia has certain rules about NILs, Florida may have less stringent rules and then you have an arms race with NILs. So it's the wild, wild west now.

Oh the Feds will touch it, that is the IRS. Of course the SEC is ahead of the game, they were better at the old way of doing things. And schools like Texas A&M and Tennessee are going to dive head first into this because they are so starved for good football that they are willing to do anything.

I am as big of an OSU fan as there is, I give my annual donation to the College of Business so I can keep my "Alumni" card active in the rare situation that I go up and play Scarlett. I quit getting into the football ticket lottery because the last tickets I got I sat behind a post and ended up going to the bar to watch the game (the loss to VA Tech.) I have yet to give to a collective because I find all the people who run them sleazy. Brian Schottenstein just rubs me the wrong way, same with Rick Ricart, no thanks. When you (or your family) are worth billions, maybe pony up a substantial portion of your own money before hitting up the general public! I know OSU is claiming poor over this, but whats to stop them from saying ticket prices are X, $10 from every ticket purchased goes to a "vetted" collective to support the athletes?

I heard an interesting tidbit on giving these kids cars. Basically they get a one year lease, the company gets free advertisement, then that care is resold as a used car the next season and over the past year or so the dealer made money.

I don't think major companies are going to play into NIL all that much. Coke may be massive in Georgia, but they are battling with Pepsi to be in every single stadium across the country. "Coke" itself is not going to give massively to one school over another, now execs there may, but not the company itself. Same thing with Nike, Phil Knight may want nothing more than to see Oregon win a natty, but he also wants to sponsor OSU and Bama and Michigan, because when you see that swoosh logo you think Nike.

[Sea Ray]

Mississippi State University head coach Mike Leach had a massive heart attack that led to the coach being airlifted to the hospital and is currently in critical condition. Please keep coach and his family in your thoughts and prayers.

https://twitter.com/_MLFootball/status/1602136254300229632?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5 Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1602136254300229632%7Ctwgr% 5E%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=

[Assembly Hall]

Oh the Feds will touch it, that is the IRS. Of course the SEC is ahead of the game, they were better at the old way of doing things. And schools like Texas A&M and Tennessee are going to dive head first into this because they are so starved for good football that they are willing to do anything.

I am as big of an OSU fan as there is, I give my annual donation to the College of Business so I can keep my "Alumni" card active in the rare situation that I go up and play Scarlett. I quit getting into the football ticket lottery because the last tickets I got I sat behind a post and ended up going to the bar to watch the game (the loss to VA Tech.) I have yet to give to a collective because I find all the people who run them sleazy. Brian Schottenstein just rubs me the wrong way, same with Rick Ricart, no thanks. When you (or your family) are worth billions, maybe pony up a substantial portion of your own money before hitting up the general public! I know OSU is claiming poor over this, but whats to stop them from saying ticket prices are X, $10 from every ticket purchased goes to a "vetted" collective to support the athletes?

I heard an interesting tidbit on giving these kids cars. Basically they get a one year lease, the company gets free advertisement, then that care is resold as a used car the next season and over the past year or so the dealer made money.

I don't think major companies are going to play into NIL all that much. Coke may be massive in Georgia, but they are battling with Pepsi to be in every single stadium across the country. "Coke" itself is not going to give massively to one school over another, now execs there may, but not the company itself. Same thing with Nike, Phil Knight may want nothing more than to see Oregon win a natty, but he also wants to sponsor OSU and Bama and Michigan, because when you see that swoosh logo you think Nike.

And then there is Mark Cuban...

https://www.si.com/extra-mustard/2022/06/08/indiana-signs-deal-with-nil-company-backed-by-alum-mark-cuban

[Sea Ray]

Mississippi State football coach Mike Leach had a massive heart attack on Sunday in Starkville and was transferred to University of Mississippi Medical Center in Jackson, where he is still being cared for on Monday.

According to multiple sources, Leach, 61, collapsed at his home in Starkville, but did not receive medical attention for between 10 to 15 minutes. EMTs used a defibrillator machine and delivered multiple shocks to restore normal heart rhythm.

After he was stabilized at Oktibbeha County Hospital, he was transported by helicopter to UMMC.

It appears, according to sources, that Leach may have suffered seizures with the possibility of brain damage. Sources said the situation is dire.

After the regular season, Leach told ESPN he had battled pneumonia throughout the season but was feeling better.

Sid Salter, chief communication officer at Mississippi State, told WLBT that any rumors suggesting the death of Leach "should be ignored."

https://www.clarionledger.com/story/sports/college/2022/12/12/mike-leach-heart-attack-mississippi-state-football-coach/69720334007/

[BuckeyeRed27]

Rough deal. Love Mike Leach. 61 is too young.

[bucksfan2]

And then there is Mark Cuban...

https://www.si.com/extra-mustard/2022/06/08/indiana-signs-deal-with-nil-company-backed-by-alum-mark-cuban

See this kind of stuff makes sense to me. Cuban isn't throwing his money away at a NIL initiative. He is creating a product (company) that will enable athletes to design and sell apparel. Just from the brief article, this sounds like what NIL was supposed to do.

[Assembly Hall]

See this kind of stuff makes sense to me. Cuban isn't throwing his money away at a NIL initiative. He is creating a product (company) that will enable athletes to design and sell apparel. Just from the brief article, this sounds like what NIL was supposed to do.

My point exactly. Glad Mark is on my side...Go Hoosiers!

[kaldaniels]

My point exactly. Glad Mark is on my side...Go Hoosiers!

Perhaps LeBron is OSU’s big hope (as he tends to claim them).

I don’t want him to just throw money away on NIL but perhaps there is a brand opportunity.

[BuckeyeRed27]

Perhaps LeBron is OSU’s big hope (as he tends to claim them).

I don’t want him to just throw money away on NIL but perhaps there is a brand opportunity.

He already does. He basically gives shoes to the football and mens and womens basketball teams. I think Marvin Harrison also had a deal individually.

[BuckeyeRed27]

https://www.clarionledger.com/story/sports/college/2022/12/12/mike-leach-heart-attack-mississippi-state-football-coach/69720334007/

MSU has announced that Mike Leach passed away last evening.

[Sea Ray]

MSU has announced that Mike Leach passed away last evening.


MSU Bulldog family, college football community mourns the death of Coach Mike Leach

sad

https://twitter.com/HailStateFB/status/1602664206389706755?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5 Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1602664206389706755%7Ctwgr% 5E%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=

:thumbdown:

[UKFlounder]

Awful news :cry:

[cumberlandreds]

MSU has announced that Mike Leach passed away last evening.

I'm sorry to hear this, Leach always seemed like a very likeable fellow. He was bit off beat but that made him interesting. RIP Mike Leach.

[Sea Ray]

Mike Leach on 60 Mins:


https://youtu.be/QYqsiq0iQC0

[bucksfan2]

I'm sorry to hear this, Leach always seemed like a very likeable fellow. He was bit off beat but that made him interesting. RIP Mike Leach.

Mike Leach may be remembered more for his off the beat press conferences or the pirate tales, but he was a damn good and innovative football coach. He took two traditionally doormat football programs and brought them to heights they rarely ever experienced.

[cumberlandreds]

Mike Leach may be remembered more for his off the beat press conferences or the pirate tales, but he was a damn good and innovative football coach. He took two traditionally doormat football programs and brought them to heights they rarely ever experienced.

Yes he was a great offensive innovator. He was the OC at Kentucky when Hal Mumme was the coach. They had one of the most exciting offenses in the country then. They didn't always win but they sure were fun to watch.

[Hillsdale87]

Good thread on Mike Leach's impact on football https://twitter.com/smartfootball/status/1602685935510065154?s=46&t=iKW9NZGZljSGpFDdL-dMHQ


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[Sea Ray]

As I expected, with the Vols success and exposure nationally, it's paying off in recruiting. They're now competing with the big boys (Alabama/Ohio State) for recruits.


Carter committed to Memphis early in this cycle, but he quickly garnered interest from several top programs, including Alabama and Ohio State after his senior film started making rounds. Carter was a tackling machine at Smyrna this fall and his efforts as a two-way player earned him the honor of being selected as Mr. Football for Tennessee’s 6A classification.

https://www.si.com/college/tennessee/recruiting/impact-report-vols-land-dynamic-lb-arion-carter

[RedTeamGo!]

As I expected, with the Vols success and exposure nationally, it's paying off in recruiting. They're now competing with the big boys (Alabama/Ohio State) for recruits.



https://www.si.com/college/tennessee/recruiting/impact-report-vols-land-dynamic-lb-arion-carter

Success on field is helping but they are starting to see gains in recruiting because of $$$$$$

And I do not mean that as a slight or insult. It is fully legal now. OSU not keeping up with the southern schools in up front NIL money and I think it is going to result in OSU becoming a 2nd tier program.

Carter is a good get. Nothing earth shattering, 189th ranked prospect according to 247. One of those recruits that blows up in his senior year. If OSU and Bama are interested, he's a player.

[Sea Ray]

Success on field is helping but they are starting to see gains in recruiting because of $$$$$$

And I do not mean that as a slight or insult. It is fully legal now. OSU not keeping up with the southern schools in up front NIL money and I think it is going to result in OSU becoming a 2nd tier program.

Carter is a good get. Nothing earth shattering, 189th ranked prospect according to 247. One of those recruits that blows up in his senior year. If OSU and Bama are interested, he's a player.

I agree with every word. I don't know if this guy is getting any $$ and I don't like the NIL stuff but as a fan, I'd be ticked if my team didn't make changes in accordance with this. You're too young to remember but when free agency started in MLB in about 1977, our GM said that the Reds wouldn't participate. They saw the team deteriorate towards 100 losses and last place until they did sign a major FA (Dave Parker) and things started to turn around

[BuckeyeRed27]

Second rate Ohio State just landed the top WR in the 2024 class, which gives them the current 1 and 2 overall recruits.

[kaldaniels]

It seems ironic.

My teams are getting outspent.

The Reds by teams in larger markets.

And OSU by a college town in rural Alabama.

[RedTeamGo!]

Second rate Ohio State just landed the top WR in the 2024 class, which gives them the current 1 and 2 overall recruits.

That is certainly great to see but they are 2024 recruits. This day and age that means OSU is in their top 3.

[WVRed]

Success on field is helping but they are starting to see gains in recruiting because of $$$$$$

And I do not mean that as a slight or insult. It is fully legal now. OSU not keeping up with the southern schools in up front NIL money and I think it is going to result in OSU becoming a 2nd tier program.

Carter is a good get. Nothing earth shattering, 189th ranked prospect according to 247. One of those recruits that blows up in his senior year. If OSU and Bama are interested, he's a player.

I know Kentucky is far from the same stratosphere as Ohio State but they are having the same problems.

It just seems like the Midwest schools (and Kentucky is the northern most school in the SEC) still think athletes are going to come for a full ride education and nothing else.

[BuckeyeRed27]

That is certainly great to see but they are 2024 recruits. This day and age that means OSU is in their top 3.

Has Hartline lost a recruit yet?

[RedTeamGo!]

Has Hartline lost a recruit yet?

Off the top of my head: Ty Lockwood

But I am moreso referring to Raolia. I’ve said since the day he committed I didn’t have a great feeling he would stick.

[gonelong]

Off the top of my head: Ty Lockwood

Lockwood was a TE so Wilson would have been the primary recruiter.

[BuckeyeRed27]

Off the top of my head: Ty Lockwood

But I am moreso referring to Raolia. I’ve said since the day he committed I didn’t have a great feeling he would stick.

Quinn Ewers is doing a fantastic job selling why you should stay committed to Ryan Day.

[Sea Ray]

I know Kentucky is far from the same stratosphere as Ohio State but they are having the same problems.

It just seems like the Midwest schools (and Kentucky is the northern most school in the SEC) still think athletes are going to come for a full ride education and nothing else.

OSU is still in the top 5 in most recruiting sites. I don't see how NIL is hurting them in the least

[Sea Ray]

Don't know if I'm buying this or not:


“Ohio State missed out on a 5 star recruit because they could not pay him even half of what he was looking for. They didn’t get him over $750k.”

https://twitter.com/Reflog_18/status/1602646750409498627

[RedTeamGo!]

Don't know if I'm buying this or not:



https://twitter.com/Reflog_18/status/1602646750409498627

It’s Damon Wilson. I don’t know if the number is right, but the word from Buckeye insiders is Wilson wanted to be a Buckeye but Georgia just offered too much money in addition to being a great program.

[kaldaniels]

Mazi Smith’s sentencing has been postponed until Jan. 12.

[RedTeamGo!]

Mazi Smith’s sentencing has been postponed until Jan. 12.

Can’t make this stuff up

[GAC]

It seems ironic.

My teams are getting outspent.

The Reds by teams in larger markets.

And OSU by a college town in rural Alabama.

IMO. It's going to create huge problems with college sports, and simply magnify the haves and have-nots. You're a kid newly graduated from high school, you're getting a free 4 year ride at school, plus perks ... and now, on top of that, you're going to get paid big bucks, along with endorsements, as an amateur player who hasn't proven anything at this level.

And where do the colleges get the money to pay these athletes? Higher tuitions and other fees? This will probably be another sport I drop at some point in the future. Sad. Pretty disillusioned with sports any more.

[*BaseClogger*]

IMO. It's going to create huge problems with college sports, and simply magnify the haves and have-nots. You're a kid newly graduated from high school, you're getting a free 4 year ride at school, plus perks ... and now, on top of that, you're going to get paid big bucks, along with endorsements, as an amateur player who hasn't proven anything at this level.

And where do the colleges get the money to pay these athletes? Higher tuitions and other fees? This will probably be another sport I drop at some point inthe future. Sad.

So your issue is that it is going to reduce parity? Is parity what motivated you to watch the Buckeyes on Saturday afternoons?

[GAC]

Mazi Smith’s sentencing has been postponed until Jan. 12.

https://i.imgflip.com/38hdph.jpg

[BuckeyeRed27]

IMO. It's going to create huge problems with college sports, and simply magnify the haves and have-nots. You're a kid newly graduated from high school, you're getting a free 4 year ride at school, plus perks ... and now, on top of that, you're going to get paid big bucks, along with endorsements, as an amateur player who hasn't proven anything at this level.

And where do the colleges get the money to pay these athletes? Higher tuitions and other fees? This will probably be another sport I drop at some point in the future. Sad. Pretty disillusioned with sports any more.

The colleges don’t get the money. It’s all these private “foundations”. It’s actually a bit ironic because it’s the same booster type community, but instead of donating to the program they now funnel it to these foundations that pay players. Gene Smith was on a podcast recently and was basically discussing how it’s essentially competing dollars.

The big schools are still gonna be big schools, but the ones that have really weaponized it have been schools like Miami, Texas A&M and Florida St. We will see if it becomes more prevalent, but so far it’s kinda spreading out some top guys who are looking for a pay day. Seems like OSU and Georgia and Bama are taking more of here is the NIL potential you can get here, but we aren’t gonna give you a huge up front payout, that’s up to you. Just have to see how it progresses.

[WVRed]

I know Kentucky is far from the same stratosphere as Ohio State but they are having the same problems.

It just seems like the Midwest schools (and Kentucky is the northern most school in the SEC) still think athletes are going to come for a full ride education and nothing else.

I mention this and Kentucky has their top 5 star recruit in 2022 enter the transfer portal today and Ohio State is being listed as a possibility.

[*BaseClogger*]

I mention this and Kentucky has their top 5 star recruit in 2022 enter the transfer portal today and Ohio State is being listed as a possibility.

Which position?

[RedTeamGo!]

Which position?

OT

[Boston Red]

I think he'll end up at Louisville as a project.

[GAC]

So your issue is that it is going to reduce parity? Is parity what motivated you to watch the Buckeyes on Saturday afternoons?

What parity? lol Parity has never existed in college football, and never will (imo). I don't agree with paying these amateur athletes. In exchange for bringing your talent to the school, they're giving you a free education/degree, housing, as well as other "perks", while also getting showcased on national TV. IMO, you're injecting an element that will make the situation worse as it comes down to bidding wars and "how much are you willing to pay for my services?"

But I'm not going to lose any sleep over it. It is what it is. My interest in the NFL and MLB has pretty much waned as I've gotten older and entered retirement. I love college football, but it could be next. We'll see. I'm not too happy with college players backing out of bowl games, because unless it's a CFP game they're meaningless. Where did this attitude come from? Never use to be that way either.


I've just developed so many other interests/hobbies that have pushed them further down on the list any more.

[Sea Ray]

I get what you're saying GAC. I think the NFL is the best for parity and a level playing field and no one else is close. I think college football is still pretty good but the NIL definitely concerns me. Ohio State will survive this NIL stuff just fine but it might really hurt schools like Kentucky and UC. Here UK works to secure a 5* guy for 4 yrs and now he can leave for a paycheck after one year. How does KY build a program with stuff like that?

[Boston Red]

The Kentucky guy isn't leaving for a paycheck. It's a tale as old as time: he's leaving in search of playing time.

[Sea Ray]

The Kentucky guy isn't leaving for a paycheck. It's a tale as old as time: he's leaving in search of playing time.

I'm not familiar with his case so thanks for that info. You telling me this is a 5* guy who can't start for Kentucky? Their O line was one of the worst I saw this year

[RedTeamGo!]

Goodwin is leaving Kentucky because he’s a bust. He gained a bunch of bad weight and has been terrible in his limited playing time.

[goreds2]

Saturday, Dec. 17

Fenway Bowl
Cincinnati vs. Louisville
11 a.m.
ESPN
Fenway Park in Boston

Celebration Bowl
Jackson State vs. N.C. Central
Noon
ABC
Mercedes-Benz Stadium in Atlanta

Here's how to watch the 2022 Celebration Bowl:

Date: Saturday, Dec. 17, 2022
Time: 12 p.m. ET
TV/Streaming: ABC (streaming on WatchESPN)
Location: Mercedez-Benz Stadium in Atlanta, GA

Las Vegas Bowl
No. 14 Oregon State vs. Florida
2:30 p.m.
ESPN
Allegiant Stadium in Las Vegas, Nevada

LA Bowl
Washington State vs. Fresno State
3:30 p.m.
ABC
SoFi Stadium in Inglewood, California

LendingTree Bowl
Rice vs. Southern Mississippi
5:45 p.m.
ESPN
Hancock Whitney Stadium in Mobile, Alabama

New Mexico Bowl
SMU vs. BYU
7:30 p.m.
ABC
University Stadium in Albuquerque, New Mexico

Frisco Bowl
Boise State vs. North Texas
9:15 p.m.
ESPN
Toyota Stadium in Frisco, Texas

https://www.ncaa.com/news/football/article/2022-12-16/2022-23-college-football-bowl-game-schedule-scores-tv-channels-times

[Sea Ray]

Goodwin is leaving Kentucky because he’s a bust. He gained a bunch of bad weight and has been terrible in his limited playing time.

Sounds like Carmen with the Bengals

[cumberlandreds]

What parity? lol Parity has never existed in college football, and never will (imo). I don't agree with paying these amateur athletes. In exchange for bringing your talent to the school, they're giving you a free education/degree, housing, as well as other "perks", while also getting showcased on national TV. IMO, you're injecting an element that will make the situation worse as it comes down to bidding wars and "how much are you willing to pay for my services?"

But I'm not going to lose any sleep over it. It is what it is. My interest in the NFL and MLB has pretty much waned as I've gotten older and entered retirement. I love college football, but it could be next. We'll see. I'm not too happy with college players backing out of bowl games, because unless it's a CFP game they're meaningless. Where did this attitude come from? Never use to be that way either.


I've just developed so many other interests/hobbies that have pushed them further down on the list any more.

You know GAC, I'm the same way as you. Nothing but greed has taken over in college sports. I am very disilliusioned and will probably be dropping out of interest in CFB and CBB. It's just not the same with basically "free agency" and the amount of money they are getting now. I am nearly 60 now and am finding other interest that are taking the place of sports. Its just not very enjoyable for me any longer.

[*BaseClogger*]

19061

[BuckeyeRed27]

Off the top of my head: Ty Lockwood

But I am moreso referring to Raolia. I’ve said since the day he committed I didn’t have a great feeling he would stick.

Well good call here.

Apparently he wants to go to Nebraska, so good luck with that.

[westofyou]

You know GAC, I'm the same way as you. Nothing but greed has taken over in college sports. I am very disilliusioned and will probably be dropping out of interest in CFB and CBB. It's just not the same with basically "free agency" and the amount of money they are getting now. I am nearly 60 now and am finding other interest that are taking the place of sports. Its just not very enjoyable for me any longer.

This is nothing new, Wilt Chamberlin got a sweet car and a LOT of money to go to Kansas, 60+ years ago. I could go on, but the short story is this is not new and wasn't even new when Wilt was a teen star

[RedTeamGo!]

Well good call here.

Apparently he wants to go to Nebraska, so good luck with that.

Raiola’s dad is a big time Nebraska booster and former player. The plan was always for him to go there. They had this big family event planned a year ago where frost was supposed to visit their home, had a big party planned with a bunch of former Nebraska players. He was going to commit at the party. Frost didn’t show up. Raolia’s dad called him and Frost said he got too drunk at the hotel to come to party. Dylan said he would never play for frost. The day frost was fired I had a feeling this was inevitable.

[RedTeamGo!]

What parity? lol Parity has never existed in college football, and never will (imo). I don't agree with paying these amateur athletes. In exchange for bringing your talent to the school, they're giving you a free education/degree, housing, as well as other "perks", while also getting showcased on national TV. IMO, you're injecting an element that will make the situation worse as it comes down to bidding wars and "how much are you willing to pay for my services?"

But I'm not going to lose any sleep over it. It is what it is. My interest in the NFL and MLB has pretty much waned as I've gotten older and entered retirement. I love college football, but it could be next. We'll see. I'm not too happy with college players backing out of bowl games, because unless it's a CFP game they're meaningless. Where did this attitude come from? Never use to be that way either.


I've just developed so many other interests/hobbies that have pushed them further down on the list any more.

You realize the coaches want those players to sit out the non CFP games as well, right? Gives the more looks at the players coming back

[BuckeyeRed27]

Raiola’s dad is a big time Nebraska booster and former player. The plan was always for him to go there. They had this big family event planned a year ago where frost was supposed to visit their home, had a big party planned with a bunch of former Nebraska players. He was going to commit at the party. Frost didn’t show up. Raolia’s dad called him and Frost said he got too drunk at the hotel to come to party. Dylan said he would never play for frost. The day frost was fired I had a feeling this was inevitable.

Yeah those family ties are tough to overcome. Rhule is a good coach, but nothing is ever bringing Nebraska back.

Sounds like he got upset about something that happened recently. If it’s the kid from SD committing…well good luck to you kid.

[RedTeamGo!]

Makes sense why OSU was pushing so hard for Keinholz now

[RedTeamGo!]

Yeah those family ties are tough to overcome. Rhule is a good coach, but nothing is ever bringing Nebraska back.

Sounds like he got upset about something that happened recently. If it’s the kid from SD committing…well good luck to you kid.

There’s also smoke Raolia might be going to USC. Who knows. Like I said the day Raolia committed - I always think these commits 2 years before signing days are questionable. I don’t really start paying attention to a class until around June before signing day.

With that said, I would expect Smith to decommit now as well. Unless the Buckeyes figure out NIL and immediately OSU is going to be a 2nd tier program by 2025.

[GAC]

I get what you're saying GAC. I think the NFL is the best for parity and a level playing field and no one else is close. I think college football is still pretty good but the NIL definitely concerns me. Ohio State will survive this NIL stuff just fine but it might really hurt schools like Kentucky and UC. Here UK works to secure a 5* guy for 4 yrs and now he can leave for a paycheck after one year. How does KY build a program with stuff like that?

Sure. A vast majority of the P5 or "elite" schools will be fine. But the respective conferences where they reside (imo) will take a hit as far as further "deterioration" (separation) between the haves and have-nots, those teams within the conference that are considered middle or lower tier, trying to be competitive, but now have another hurdle placed in their way.

It's no longer sitting down with that high school recruit, and parent(s), and convincing them that your program is best for your boy. You now have to bring your checkbook and join a bidding war for that blue chip. So where do you think that blue chip is going to go a vast majority of the time? ;)

The "Indiana Hoosiers" of college football will not benefit from this IMO.

Look at the success done at Tennessee to bring that program back. Is that further success now going to be dependent upon how much the Tennessee boosters are willing to pay vs the Alabama or Georgia boosters?

I just see it heading down a slippery slope that will hurt the quality of college football overall.

[GAC]

19061

Keep it up and this old man will take this bad leg off and where your *** out with it! LOL

[Boston Red]

Louisville wins the Satterfield Bowl.

[GAC]

You realize the coaches want those players to sit out the non CFP games as well, right? Gives the more looks at the players coming back

I'm sure some do. Doesn't matter. They're both wrong-headed, wrong attitude (IMO). I'm simply saying that it didn't use to be this way, all bowl games mattered, and it was a privilege/honor to get selected and appear in one. But that was way before there were 40+ bowl games with ridiculous names (lmao).

Can you see how money has already influenced the college game in a bad way? Now you got football players who participate all year in a violent contact sport risking injury, finally making it to season's end, you're in a bowl game, and you choose not to play because you might get injured which would cost you money (career).

It's their right, and they have that choice.

All I know is - I wouldn't spend my hard-earned money on tickets, travel, accommodations, etc. to watch a bowl game where my star/players who got me there now opted out because they're afraid of getting hurt. JMO. It basically diminishes the whole bowl game experience. Other then the CFP play-off games, I actually look forward to many of these bowl game match-ups between the conferences and see how they perform vs each other. It don't matter any more because you got key players on both benches opting out not to play.

[RedTeamGo!]

I'm sure some do. Doesn't matter. They're both wrong-headed, wrong attitude (IMO). I'm simply saying that it didn't use to be this way, all bowl games mattered, and it was a privilege/honor to get selected and appear in one. But that was way before there were 40+ bowl games with ridiculous names (lmao).

Can you see how money has already influenced the college game in a bad way? Now you got football players who participate all year in a violent contact sport risking injury, finally making it to season's end, you're in a bowl game, and you choose not to play because you might get injured which would cost you money (career).

It's their right, and they have that choice.

All I know is - I wouldn't spend my hard-earned money on tickets, travel, accommodations, etc. to watch a bowl game where my star/players who got me there now opted out because they're afraid of getting hurt. JMO. It basically diminishes the whole bowl game experience. Other then the CFP play-off games, I actually look forward to many of these bowl game match-ups between the conferences and see how they perform vs each other. It don't matter any more because you got key players on both benches opting out not to play.

Like you said, part of the reason is because of how many bowl games there are. We’ve seen players over the year decide to play in a non CFP bowl, have a bad injury, and it costs a young man literally tens of millions of dollars. That LB from Notre Dame comes to mind. Was a lock to be a top 10 pick, decided to play in the fiesta bowl, had a devastating knee injury, ended up getting drafted in like the 5th round. Cost the player probably $20-$30 mil over the course of his career. If you’re a lock to be a day 1 pick and aren’t in a CFP game you would have to be out of your mind to play in it. Young and Anderson have announced they are playing in Bama’s bowl game this year. I think they are being stupid. When you were younger in the 70s or whatever, if a player got hurt in a bowl game, how much money did it cost them? $10,000? Certainly a lot of money, but not generational money. If a player gets drafted in the 1st round these days they are set for life. Unless they are idiots with the money, of course.

[cumberlandreds]

This is nothing new, Wilt Chamberlin got a sweet car and a LOT of money to go to Kansas, 60+ years ago. I could go on, but the short story is this is not new and wasn't even new when Wilt was a teen star

Oh I know full what went on. I almost think it was better that way.

[GAC]

Like you said, part of the reason is because of how many bowl games there are. We’ve seen players over the year decide to play in a non CFP bowl, have a bad injury, and it costs a young man literally tens of millions of dollars. That LB from Notre Dame comes to mind. Was a lock to be a top 10 pick, decided to play in the fiesta bowl, had a devastating knee injury, ended up getting drafted in like the 5th round. Cost the player probably $20-$30 mil over the course of his career. If you’re a lock to be a day 1 pick and aren’t in a CFP game you would have to be out of your mind to play in it. Young and Anderson have announced they are playing in Bama’s bowl game this year. I think they are being stupid. When you were younger in the 70s or whatever, if a player got hurt in a bowl game, how much money did it cost them? $10,000? Certainly a lot of money, but not generational money. If a player gets drafted in the 1st round these days they are set for life. Unless they are idiots with the money, of course.

That's all fine and dandy. I don't need you to lecture me on why players opt out. I fully get it. But as I stated prior - it diminishes the entire bowl experience as each year more decide to opt out. Other then the three CFP games, then why even have or attend attend these other "insignificant" bowl games when key players who were critical to getting you there in the first place, and who the fans want to see, aren't going to be on both sides of the field? The games are slowly becoming a shell of what they're suppose to be.

And that's fine. I haven't missed the NBA in over 30 years, I only attended one Red's game this past Summer, and I haven't miss the NFL at all this season (watched a total of 4 Bengal games). And what's the primary reason? They're demanding more of me, especially from my wallet, that I'm willing to give any more. It's just gotten too unreal. I'm just fed up with it.

And the same thing is happening to college football now too. I wonder if this paying college players will affect ticket prices in any way?

[RedTeamGo!]

Oh I know full what went on. I almost think it was better that way.

I also think of Boston College basketball players throwing games for money. Toledo football player throwing games for money. It honestly just seems like people are pissed young men are making business decisions instead of emotional decisions. It’s always been a business, now the actual players putting their bodies on the line are also treating it as such.

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That's all fine and dandy. I don't need you to lecture me on why players opt out. I fully get it. But as I stated prior - it diminishes the entire bowl experience as each year more decide to opt out. Other then the three CFP games, then why even have or attend attend these other "insignificant" bowl games when key players who were critical to getting you there in the first place, and who the fans want to see, aren't going to be on both sides of the field? The games are slowly becoming a shell of what they're suppose to be.

And that's fine. I haven't missed the NBA in over 30 years, I only attended one Red's game this past Summer, and I haven't miss the NFL at all this season (watched a total of 4 Bengal games). And what's the primary reason? They're demanding more of me, especially from my wallet, that I'm willing to give any more. It's just gotten too unreal. I'm just fed up with it.

And the same thing is happening to college football now too. I wonder if this paying college players will affect ticket prices in any way?

It will not affect ticket prices because the money isn’t coming from the universities. It’s coming from boosters and fans.

[Kingspoint]

Would have been nice to get a better test for the Oregon State Beavers, but unfortunately, they got pitted against a really, really bad SEC School, the Florida Gators, who had no business playing in a Bowl game this season, as they clearly suck. Through 3 Quarters, the 14th Ranked Beavers are destroying them every which way you can, 23-0, and are about to make it 30-0. While it wasn't a totally neutral site, a 1000-mile travel from Portland for Beavers' fans and a 2200-mile travel for Gators' fans, the trip is much easier for Beavers' fans to make. That said, most Bowl games are practically home games for SEC fans compared to the rest of the Country.

Beavers are the first of this season of the Pac-12 teams who will show why the Pac-12 was the nation's best conference this season. One-third of the Top-18 teams are in the Pac-12, according to the current rankings, and they should win five of six Bowl Games, so their rankings will only improve in the final tally.

[Kingspoint]

Pretty cool about the Orange & Black's victory in the Las Vegas Bowl today. Their Head Coach is an alumni, not some alumni-purchased gunslinger Head Coach that comes in for a few seasons and then leaves. There's giving up-and-coming Head Coaches opportunities to go from a smaller program to a larger one, but then there's the retread Head Coaches that go from one Top-25 institution to another to whoever is the highest bidder. Don't have any respect for those Coaches.

Jonathan Smith was the Quarterback the first time the Beavers were in the Las Vegas Bowl. They also had Steven Jackson and rolled to something like a 44-10 victory over some smaller school like New Mexico State (actually, not smaller than Oregon State). Oregon State was always a small school in a big conference. No idea what that conference will look like in two years.

[Kingspoint]

Florida kicks a FG with 37 seconds left to make it 30-3 and continue their consecutive game scoring streak at 587!!!!

WOW!!! Those Gators must be so proud!!!

[Sea Ray]

Louisville wins the Satterfield Bowl.

Kerry Coombs did not seem to be able to motivate the troops

[RedTeamGo!]

Like I said a few weeks ago. Florida is awful this year. With that said, their starting QB didn’t play.

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Kerry Coombs did not seem to be able to motivate the troops

Coombs is terrible. He’s a cheerleader that has lost his touch with recruiting and cannot develop at all.

[Boston Red]

Kerry Coombs did not seem to be able to motivate the troops

Deion Branch didn't have that issue.

[Sea Ray]

Deion Branch didn't have that issue.

Obviously

As for the opt outs, kudos to Alabama. None of their guys are opting out, including Will Anderson and Bryce Young...a couple guys with top 5 drafting positions at risk

[RedTeamGo!]

Would have been nice to get a better test for the Oregon State Beavers, but unfortunately, they got pitted against a really, really bad SEC School, the Florida Gators, who had no business playing in a Bowl game this season, as they clearly suck. Through 3 Quarters, the 14th Ranked Beavers are destroying them every which way you can, 23-0, and are about to make it 30-0. While it wasn't a totally neutral site, a 1000-mile travel from Portland for Beavers' fans and a 2200-mile travel for Gators' fans, the trip is much easier for Beavers' fans to make. That said, most Bowl games are practically home games for SEC fans compared to the rest of the Country.

Beavers are the first of this season of the Pac-12 teams who will show why the Pac-12 was the nation's best conference this season. One-third of the Top-18 teams are in the Pac-12, according to the current rankings, and they should win five of six Bowl Games, so their rankings will only improve in the final tally.

Washington St got smoked by Fresno St 29-6 today as well.

[kaldaniels]

When I saw JT Daniels burst onto the scene at USC a few years back supposedly the next big thing I never would have predicted that in 2023 he would be on his 4th school…Rice.

[RedTeamGo!]

When I saw JT Daniels burst onto the scene at USC a few years back supposedly the next big thing I never would have predicted that in 2023 he would be on his 4th school…Rice.

At this point he is playing school as he realized he will be going professional in something other than sports. Good for him to not be delusional.

[Rojo Rijo]

Would have been nice to get a better test for the Oregon State Beavers, but unfortunately, they got pitted against a really, really bad SEC School, the Florida Gators, who had no business playing in a Bowl game this season, as they clearly suck. Through 3 Quarters, the 14th Ranked Beavers are destroying them every which way you can, 23-0, and are about to make it 30-0. While it wasn't a totally neutral site, a 1000-mile travel from Portland for Beavers' fans and a 2200-mile travel for Gators' fans, the trip is much easier for Beavers' fans to make. That said, most Bowl games are practically home games for SEC fans compared to the rest of the Country.

Beavers are the first of this season of the Pac-12 teams who will show why the Pac-12 was the nation's best conference this season. One-third of the Top-18 teams are in the Pac-12, according to the current rankings, and they should win five of six Bowl Games, so their rankings will only improve in the final tally.

Care to explain to me how the team who "sucks" according to you beat the PAC-12 champion this year?

But no, go off about Bowl game results which are absolutely meaningless anymore if you're not in the CFP, you know, that thing that no PAC-12 teams are a part of....

[Sea Ray]

Jimmy Calloway, WR from the Vols, is transferring to Louisville. He's very good. Don't know exactly what his issues were in Knoxville but it's not a bad get for the Cardinals

[Sea Ray]

Tennessee is getting a team captain LB from BYU:

https://www.espn.com/college-football/player/_/id/4046654/keenan-pili

25 yrs old.

Lots of reinforcements coming on defense for the Vols. That's nice to see

[goreds2]

Friday, Dec. 23

Independence Bowl
Houston vs. Louisiana
3 p.m.
ESPN
Independence Stadium in Shreveport, Louisiana

Gasparilla Bowl
Wake Forest vs. Missouri
6:30 p.m.
ESPN
Raymond James Stadium in Tampa, Florida

Saturday, Dec. 24

Hawai'i Bowl
Middle Tennessee State vs. San Diego State
8 p.m.
ESPN
Clarence T.C. Ching Athletics Complex in Honolulu, Hawaii

[Boston Red]

17 degrees right now in Shreveport. That should be a super fun bowl experience!

[westofyou]

17 degrees right now in Shreveport. That should be a super fun bowl experience!

You'd think being in Shreveport itself was bad enough

[GAC]

I think Ole Miss' coach Kiffin really comes off bad, and a sore loser, concerning the accusations he leveled at TT's LBer Dimitri Moore, that he spit on, and possibly leveled a racial slur on Miss' OL Jayden Williams.

He first states (broadcasts) there was a racial slur involved, then backs down and states he didn't hear it, and is unsure if it occurred....

https://theathletic.com/4044058/2022/12/29/texas-lane-kiffin-dimitri-moore-spitting/


“There was a racial slur involved; that’s not the point of what we’re talking about, (it’s) about the spitting part. ....

When asked to clarify if a racial slur was directed at an Ole Miss player, Kiffin said he didn’t hear the comment.

“I’m not going to, because I did not hear it, (I’m not going to) say that that happened for sure that he gave a racial slur to our player,” Kiffin said. “I was told that that was said in that (incident) but I did not hear that. So that would obviously be a giant issue.”

Then, IMO, until you get all the facts, keep your friggin mouth shut when it comes to leveling a racist acusation at someone knowing the bad ramifications (label) it can have on that person, his life, and maybe his career. Espdecially when the oposing coach and player in question both vehementantly deny it happened.

Kiffin just comes off bad in this IMO. Report it to the NCAA and let them investigate it.

[Sea Ray]

Lane Kiffin is overrated as a coach and not a good guy

[goreds2]

Friday, Dec. 30

Duke's Mayo Bowl: Maryland vs. No. 23 NC State -- Noon (ESPN) -- Expert picks, predictions

Sun Bowl: Pitt vs. No. 18 UCLA -- 2 p.m. (CBS) -- Expert picks, predictions

Gator Bowl: No. 21 Notre Dame vs. No. 19 South Carolina -- 3:30 p.m. (ESPN) -- Expert picks, predictions

Arizona Bowl: Ohio vs. Wyoming -- 4:30 p.m. (Barstool) -- Expert picks, predictions

Orange Bowl: No. 6 Tennessee vs. No. No. 7 Clemson -- 8 p.m. (ESPN) -- Expert picks, predictions

[Sea Ray]

If Clemson had started tonight's QB earlier in the year, they'd be in the CFP. Tennessee is down their QB, their best WR and their best defender (last 2 due to opt outs). I don't think they're going to fare well tonight but we'll see. Hope I'm wrong

[RedTeamGo!]

Meh, Clemson isn’t very good this season. Tennessee can certainly win. Klubick might be good, but he’s a true freshman.

[Reds Freak]

Support for the theory the majority of college football coaches are complete turds of human beings. It's what happens when you give immature men millions of dollars and let them do whatever they want.

https://twitter.com/BleacherReport/status/1608973547111866370?t=F30kk2TDkEBm92m1Z_g4YA&s=19

[Assembly Hall]

New Jersey gaming regulators on Friday ordered sportsbooks to halt betting on the Citrus Bowl between Purdue and LSU because "an individual associated with the Purdue Football team" is in violation of state regulations.

Sources familiar with the decision told ESPN that retired NFL quarterback Drew Brees, who signed on to become an interim assistant coach for Purdue in the bowl game, is the individual in question because of his business relationship with sportsbook PointsBet.

https://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/35348985/new-jersey-halts-citrus-bowl-betting-purdue-drew-brees-violation-regulations-sources-said

[Boston Red]

Support for the theory the majority of college football coaches are complete turds of human beings. It's what happens when you give immature men millions of dollars and let them do whatever they want.

https://twitter.com/BleacherReport/status/1608973547111866370?t=F30kk2TDkEBm92m1Z_g4YA&s=19

Meh, not great behavior but also not a big deal.

[Reds Freak]

Meh, not great behavior but also not a big deal.

Really? That's lunatic behavior. Akin to a grown man barking at a teenage waitress for his burger being too pink. I find it embarrassing and all too common in big time college sports.

[Boston Red]

Yeah, really.

[Reds Freak]

Yeah, really.

Well not too surprising from a Wichita fan who watched 3G stalk the Shocker sideline like a madman for years ;)

[Boston Red]

I do love the Marshall family. Would be great if they brought that lunatic back. Might be worth watching a Shocker game again.

[Reds Freak]

I guess I feel for the guy working the tunnel because I've been in those shoes, working 18 hour days making $30K a year or maybe even as an unpaid volunteer intern, getting berated by a man child making $5M a year.

[Boston Red]

I don't for a second doubt Sark is something of a jerk, and I'm sure it's not his best moment, but I just don't think those ten seconds are a big deal. That's all. It's not like Sark laid hands on the guy.

[*BaseClogger*]

I suspect that come bowl season the B1G will do just fine matching up with other conferences

[Hillsdale87]

What is everybody predicting for the CFP?

I think Michigan covers and wins pretty easily. I think Georgia will win, but I put some money on OSU straight up. I know OSU hasn't put it together consistently all season, but they're as talented as Georgia, so I liked the +265. I could see OSU putting up 40 points and winning, and I could also see them getting blown out.


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[RedTeamGo!]

I think Michigan wins by 7 and Georgia wins by 28 points.

I was reading the athletic this morning and every single CFB writer picked Georgia to beat OSU. Thought that was interesting. OSU officially has zero respect nationally. Starting to just absolutely reek like the 90s in Columbus.

[Assembly Hall]

Be nice to see the B1G schools win both.

[kaldaniels]

I think Michigan wins by 7 and Georgia wins by 28 points.

I was reading the athletic this morning and every single CFB writer picked Georgia to beat OSU. Thought that was interesting. OSU officially has zero respect nationally. Starting to just absolutely reek like the 90s in Columbus.

If you think it’s gonna be that bad mind as well put some money on Georgia. There’s probably some -14 lines that pay nicely and that’s a good hedge for your -28 prediction.

[kaldaniels]

I view the Michigan game result as kind of fluky as those big plays made it worse than what it was. - Feel free to disagree.

But what concerns me as a Buckeye fan was the trifecta of the final 3 games.

NW, Maryland and UM were overall just some ugly games and frankly head scratchers - NW had the weather so in a vacuum I can gloss over it but this OSU team hasn’t played well in 2 months.

[kaldaniels]

I view the Michigan game result as kind of fluky as those big plays made it worse than what it was. - Feel free to disagree.

But what concerns me as a Buckeye fan was the trifecta of the final 3 games.

NW, Maryland and UM were overall just some ugly games and frankly head scratchers - NW had the weather so in a vacuum I can gloss over it but this OSU team hasn’t played well in 2 months.

Eh I forgot the IU game but point still stands.

[Hillsdale87]

I think Michigan wins by 7 and Georgia wins by 28 points.

I was reading the athletic this morning and every single CFB writer picked Georgia to beat OSU. Thought that was interesting. OSU officially has zero respect nationally. Starting to just absolutely reek like the 90s in Columbus.

This "OSU is crumbling" stuff seems crazy to me... I completely agree that there are issues. Losing to Michigan in consecutive years is bad. The NIL stuff needs to get fixed quickly.

But Ryan Day has made the playoff more times than Urban Meyer at OSU. I get that people are upset about the losses to Michigan, but Day has avoided the silly losses that Urban would get. Day's teams don't get blown out like against Oklahoma or Iowa or Purdue. There seems to be some romanticism about the Urban era (which was great!) that forgets that those teams still underperformed the talent level, often because Urban's staff wasn't good enough. IMO there's no reason to believe the program has taken anything more than a tiny step back, if any.

The recruiting class was small this year, but filled with good players as evidenced by having one of the top per player grades of all teams. And again, Day is recruiting at or above the level Urban was. Urban came to OSU as an experienced head coach. Day is still only in his fourth year. He's not perfect, but the early returns are great. It's not uncommon to see guys, like OSU's opponent Kirby Smart, take a few years to get the program fully over the hump, so hopefully this is just the warmup and Day will keep getting better.


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[RedTeamGo!]

This "OSU is crumbling" stuff seems crazy to me... I completely agree that there are issues. Losing to Michigan in consecutive years is bad. The NIL stuff needs to get fixed quickly.

But Ryan Day has made the playoff more times than Urban Meyer at OSU. I get that people are upset about the losses to Michigan, but Day has avoided the silly losses that Urban would get. Day's teams don't get blown out like against Oklahoma or Iowa or Purdue. There seems to be some romanticism about the Urban era (which was great!) that forgets that those teams still underperformed the talent level, often because Urban's staff wasn't good enough. IMO there's no reason to believe the program has taken anything more than a tiny step back, if any.

The recruiting class was small this year, but filled with good players as evidenced by having one of the top per player grades of all teams. And again, Day is recruiting at or above the level Urban was. Urban came to OSU as an experienced head coach. Day is still only in his fourth year. He's not perfect, but the early returns are great. It's not uncommon to see guys, like OSU's opponent Kirby Smart, take a few years to get the program fully over the hump, so hopefully this is just the warmup and Day will keep getting better.


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I am unsure about the recruiting class because their 3 top recruits were all WRs. But that’s beside the point. I don’t care about recruiting grades when you lose to Michigan by 3 touchdowns 2 years in a row with and I think a 3rd loss to UM is guaranteed next year with what they are bringing back.

[Hillsdale87]

I view the Michigan game result as kind of fluky as those big plays made it worse than what it was. - Feel free to disagree.

But what concerns me as a Buckeye fan was the trifecta of the final 3 games.

NW, Maryland and UM were overall just some ugly games and frankly head scratchers - NW had the weather so in a vacuum I can gloss over it but this OSU team hasn’t played well in 2 months.

They definitely have been off since the bye week. Not sure why. I agree about the Michigan game though. They didn't play as badly as the final score made it look.

I think we're going to know pretty quickly today about OSU. If they come out hot, I think they win. If they start slow, I think they get tight and get blown out.


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[Hillsdale87]

I am unsure about the recruiting class because their 3 top recruits were all WRs. But that’s beside the point. I don’t care about recruiting grades when you lose to Michigan by 3 touchdowns 2 years in a row with and I think a 3rd loss to UM is guaranteed next year with what they are bringing back.

The WRs are definitely the best part of the class, but the class was 1 5* and 18 4*s. There is quality all around, even if they missed in a couple key spots.

And who knows about next year. OSU is going to be more talented than Michigan again. It's going to come down to whoever is the QB and whether Day can get out of his own way.


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[kaldaniels]

They definitely have been off since the bye week. Not sure why. I agree about the Michigan game though. They didn't play as badly as the final score made it look.

I think we're going to know pretty quickly today about OSU. If they come out hot, I think they win. If they start slow, I think they get tight and get blown out.


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The talent is there so if somehow the ship got righted over the last 30 days we’ll have a ballgame.

[Sea Ray]

Meh, Clemson isn’t very good this season. Tennessee can certainly win. Klubick might be good, but he’s a true freshman.

Did you hear he's a true freshman? I think they mentioned that a couple times...Trevor Lawrence led his team to a national championship in his true freshman year. The drooling over Cade Klubnik was nauseating

Clemson actually was pretty good this year. They were worthy of their top ten ranking. They've got athletes that few schools do. That's a gauntlet of a schedule and the Vols showed they hang very nicely with the top athletes in the country

[Sea Ray]

I am unsure about the recruiting class because their 3 top recruits were all WRs. But that’s beside the point. I don’t care about recruiting grades when you lose to Michigan by 3 touchdowns 2 years in a row with and I think a 3rd loss to UM is guaranteed next year with what they are bringing back.

OSU is awfully good. They put together a team that is so good they were favored by 2 TDs+ in all their games sans Michigan. Let's see how they look tonight before passing judgment

[Sea Ray]

Seeing Bryce Young walk out hand in hand for the coin toss reminds me how small he is. In fact, he's an inch shorter and 20 lbs lighter than Tua. That's not a recipe for success in the NFL. I think he'd not be my choice for a top ten pick in the NFL draft. Glad it's not my team picking

[BuckeyeRed27]

What is everybody predicting for the CFP?

I think Michigan covers and wins pretty easily. I think Georgia will win, but I put some money on OSU straight up. I know OSU hasn't put it together consistently all season, but they're as talented as Georgia, so I liked the +265. I could see OSU putting up 40 points and winning, and I could also see them getting blown out.


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Michigan 28
TCU 24

OSU 38
Georgia 31

[RedTeamGo!]

Did you hear he's a true freshman? I think they mentioned that a couple times...Trevor Lawrence led his team to a national championship in his true freshman year. The drooling over Cade Klubnik was nauseating

Clemson actually was pretty good this year. They were worthy of their top ten ranking. They've got athletes that few schools do. That's a gauntlet of a schedule and the Vols showed they hang very nicely with the top athletes in the country

I disagree about Clemson. They didn’t beat anyone and they were horrible at QB and WR. Also, their coaching is suspect at this point. Their defense is very good.

[BuckeyeRed27]

I disagree about Clemson. They didn’t beat anyone and they were horrible at QB and WR. Also, their coaching is suspect at this point. Their defense is very good.

Agree. If Klubnik doesn’t develop, Clemson could see a bit of a drop off. The ACC sucks and doesn’t show a lot of signs of improving, so Clemson might hang around, but they don’t look like the teams from the past decade.

[Hillsdale87]

Agree. If Klubnik doesn’t develop, Clemson could see a bit of a drop off. The ACC sucks and doesn’t show a lot of signs of improving, so Clemson might hang around, but they don’t look like the teams from the past decade.

I'm not a scheme expert, but those that are are pretty critical of Clemson's. A lot of talk that the scheme has always been bad, but propped up by elite QBs in Watson and Lawrence. Now that they're gone, it's getting exposed.


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[Sea Ray]

Agree. If Klubnik doesn’t develop, Clemson could see a bit of a drop off. The ACC sucks and doesn’t show a lot of signs of improving, so Clemson might hang around, but they don’t look like the teams from the past decade.

Klubnik is the #1 recruit. He's damn talented. Clemson doesn't seem very good because of how Tennessee made them look last night. Prior to last night you (and most of GAC's thread participants) not only felt Clemson would win, you also thought they'd cover the six and a half points. It's easy to point out Clemson's flaws but in order to claim they were over ranked, you gotta mention other teams. Utah, Kansas St, USC and others also have warts too. Granted Clemson did not have a year that matches their standards but their athletes are immensely talented. If they'd won and covered last night, folks would be singing their praises today.

[Sea Ray]

I'm not a scheme expert, but those that are are pretty critical of Clemson's. A lot of talk that the scheme has always been bad, but propped up by elite QBs in Watson and Lawrence. Now that they're gone, it's getting exposed.


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Klubnik is an elite talent. Whether he develops or not, remains to be seen (I think he will). But he's as talented as they come

[BuckeyeRed27]

Klubnik is the #1 recruit. He's damn talented. Clemson doesn't seem very good because of how Tennessee made them look last night. Prior to last night you (and most of GAC's thread participants) not only felt Clemson would win, you also thought they'd cover the six and a half points. It's easy to point out Clemson's flaws but in order to claim they were over ranked, you gotta mention other teams. Utah, Kansas St, USC and others also have warts too. Granted Clemson did not have a year that matches their standards but their athletes are immensely talented. If they'd won and covered last night, folks would be singing their praises today.

I wouldn’t have bet on Tennessee last night because they got blown off the face of the earth against South Carolina and the Hooker injury. My pick/bet wasn’t a vote of confidence in Clemson, it was a lack of confidence in Tennessee. I also wouldn’t have touched that game with real money.

Had Clemson won, it would have reinforced my view that Tennessee without their QB wasn’t very good and they beat a team they should. Instead they looked pretty bad and got worked late.

Nothing that happened last night would have changed my opinion of Clemson going forward unless Klubnik looked amazing. He looked like a talented freshmen that needs a ton of work. If he doesn’t get there Clemson is in trouble.

[Hillsdale87]

Klubnik is an elite talent. Whether he develops or not, remains to be seen (I think he will). But he's as talented as they come

I'm familiar with Klubnik. And he looks like he's going to be very good, but so did DJ. Clemson is going to be good because they have good players. The question is whether they can be great again unless they make some philosophical changes. Even in Lawrence's last two years the offense did not play well in the playoff when they had to face legit defenses.


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[BuckeyeRed27]

I'm familiar with Klubnik. And he looks like he's going to be very good, but so did DJ. Clemson is going to be good because they have good players. The question is whether they can be great again unless they make some philosophical changes. Even in Lawrence's last two years the offense did not play well in the playoff when they had to face legit defenses.

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They’ve also now had back to back good, but not great recruiting classes. They were routinely top 5 and have been more like 10-14 two classes in a row.

Dabo is allergic to transfers so far too.

[Sea Ray]

They’ve also now had back to back good, but not great recruiting classes. They were routinely top 5 and have been more like 10-14 two classes in a row.

Dabo is allergic to transfers so far too.

Yep, they may have had their heyday. Us Tennessee fans have been frustrated by Clemson out-recruiting use for guys like Tee Higgins, Lawrence and Watson. We're hoping games like last night turn the corner in our favor on that

[Hillsdale87]

This Bama-K State game does not give me much confidence in TCU...


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[RedTeamGo!]

This Bama-K State game does not give me much confidence in TCU...


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If we are being honest with ourselves Bama would bend UM, OSU, and TCU all over a barrel. They were fully healthy today.

[Todd Gack]

Big 10 football at its finest.

Zac Taylor LOVED that playcall.

[KronoRed]

What a dumb play.

[dabvu2498]

Michigan temporarily forgot they’re in the Playoffs and not the Gator Bowl.

[Todd Gack]

Does Michigan have a good OL or not? If so, then use them.

[Boston Red]

Let's go TCU!!! Terrible opening drive for them.

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Beautiful pick 6!

[Todd Gack]

Lol

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Just awful playcalling.

[Boston Red]

Thought TCU had that punt. Nice start, but need some TCU offense.

[Roy Tucker]

Almost as much as I’d like to see Ohio State win, I love seeing Michigan gag up a big hairball.

[Boston Red]

This is awesome so far.

[Todd Gack]

TCU did what Michigan was supposed to do when you get the ball inside the 5.

[Roy Tucker]

I love seeing Harbaugh with his befuddled look.

JJ McCarthy is a punk.

TCU up 14-0. Bwahahaha

[kaldaniels]

I have a lot of questions right now…

[The Operator]

Well I’m loving every minute of this TCU-Michigan game so far.


Lot of football left, need to keep them on their heels.

[Boston Red]

The TCU three man rush is not working. Need to bring some pressure.

[The Operator]

Well that was less than ideal.

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Sure seemed like that Michigan DB got an early start.

[Boston Red]

Lol at Michigan

[The Operator]

Michigan DB’s are getting away with some BS.

[Hillsdale87]

As bad as Ryan Day was against Michigan is how bad Harbaugh is today. Just run a normal play at the goal line! You're a smash mouth team!


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[Boston Red]

That was a pretty smash mouth play. Just dropped the ball. And it was awesome!

[BuckeyeRed27]

There was nothing on that review that showed he was short of the goal line on that catch.

But also don’t fumble on the half yard line.

[Boston Red]

More points TCU!

[Hillsdale87]

IMO this game is really showing how bad OSU's plan was. McCarthy is not good. No need to bring pressure like they did. Play sound and he will struggle


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[BuckeyeRed27]

IMO this game is really showing how bad OSU's plan was. McCarthy is not good. No need to bring pressure like they did. Play sound and he will struggle


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I mean they did that. Not sure it was in the OSU game plan to have a corner miss a tackle and have the safety get turned around.

McCarthy was basically terrible for the majority of the OSU game.

[Boston Red]

This is glorious

[Hillsdale87]

I mean they did that. Not sure it was in the OSU game plan to have a corner miss a tackle and have the safety get turned around.

McCarthy was basically terrible for the majority of the OSU game.

Well they put their corners on islands all game. Totally unnecessary against a mediocre QB


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[Hillsdale87]

Did Michigan practice? TCU is playing well, but Michigan looks awful


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[Boston Red]

This is glorious

Even more so!

[Roy Tucker]

Texting with my daughter. She did a marching band competition at the Fiesta Bowl. She said the field is kinda sandy and slippery.

Duggan is a gamer. What a throw.

[BuckeyeRed27]

Gonna get interesting. Michigan really isn’t built for this.

[Boston Red]

Gonna get interesting. Michigan really isn’t built for this.

TCU isn't, either. They usually trail at this point!

[BuckeyeRed27]

TCU isn't, either. They usually trail at this point!

Good point. If the running back is hurt that could hurt.

Not sure Michigan has to panic yet, but they gotta score before half.

[Roy Tucker]

TCU run defense has been surprisingly good so far.

Michigan TE have been getting open.

[Boston Red]

Terrible roughing call

[Roy Tucker]

That’s a terrible roughing call.

[The Operator]

Garbage roughing call.

The zebras really want Michigan to win this thing.

[Boston Red]

Nothing stupid TCU! Just run out the clock.

[BuckeyeRed27]

Garbage roughing call.

The zebras really want Michigan to win this thing.

Except when they took a TD off the board .

[Roy Tucker]

I’m loving this.

What conference are these refs from?